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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. Hello again, sports fans, and welcome to
Speaker 1: another crazy Tuesday here in the s WBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: for Mickey Spagnola at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: I'm in my own s WBC Mortgage studio at home,
Speaker 1: and Everson Walls is in his as well. And have
Speaker 1: we recovered from Sunday yet, gentlemen? No, I have not.
Speaker 1: I can. He'll continue as if this is just a
Speaker 1: continual show. I could continue from yesterday easily if I
Speaker 1: wanted to, But I'm gonna this is mix shots, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you guys have it. Y'all go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm very good. I'm recovered. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: I've learned over all these years that when they throw
Speaker 1: in a game like that, that ain't on me. So
Speaker 1: uh and I and I dug a little bit more
Speaker 1: into it. Today. Finally got a chance to watch the
Speaker 1: majority of the all twenty two. So yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: and loaded ready to go. All right, Yeah, just educate
Speaker 1: all of us. Uh. In fact, I got through the
Speaker 1: first quarter, and I had looked at the TV copy
Speaker 1: of the third quarter after the game on Sunday night
Speaker 1: and Monday morning, and finally the all twenty two appeared
Speaker 1: on Game ass and so I was able to start
Speaker 1: diving into that. I mean, I just don't like the
Speaker 1: thirty six hour or forty eight hour delay on it.
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that I was talking
Speaker 1: about yesterday that you obviously, Mickey saw as the game
Speaker 1: transpired because you were in the press box and can
Speaker 1: see who's on the field, is they use that five
Speaker 1: man front from the get go in that game yesterday
Speaker 1: or on Sunday, And you know, they to me, they
Speaker 1: just don't have the personnel to play a three four
Speaker 1: defense and they had to in this case, and they
Speaker 1: don't have a Sam linebacker. I mean Alden Smith is
Speaker 1: not a four to three Sam linebacker, and so they
Speaker 1: have by necessity, are having to play that, especially against
Speaker 1: a run defense, a run offense like the Brown's head
Speaker 1: to have enough guys on the field, and it ain't working.
Speaker 1: I think you must have read my column yesterday because
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I hate to come to four
Speaker 1: game inclusions because they're still twelve to go and don't
Speaker 1: mean to jump the gun. And I understand that they've
Speaker 1: got if we include Gerald McCoy, eight starters not playing
Speaker 1: at this point. But they don't have enough linebackers. They
Speaker 1: don't have the personnel to play a three four defense,
Speaker 1: which for some reason, even in the second half, they
Speaker 1: consistently tried playing this three four. And the other thing
Speaker 1: they don't have is the ability of these defensive ends.
Speaker 1: Even if they want to line up with a four
Speaker 1: man front to use one of those guys as the
Speaker 1: strong side linebacker, they don't have the recognition on the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage to do that. And so I'm glad
Speaker 1: to see somebody else saw that, you know, And I
Speaker 1: was just telling somebody today, I said, you know, when
Speaker 1: you think of a and Everson, you chime in here,
Speaker 1: you think of a three four defense. So you got
Speaker 1: those outside linebackers, but the defensive ends part of the three.
Speaker 1: They're usually these big, gargantuan guys for summer, and I
Speaker 1: got this vision of techniques, Yeah, I got this vision
Speaker 1: of DeForest Buckner, you know, some some big old dude
Speaker 1: that's six, yeah, three hundred pounds. They don't have that.
Speaker 1: They got these little, short, squatty bodies in there, and
Speaker 1: they're trying to play a three four And then the
Speaker 1: worst part of it, And you know, I hate to
Speaker 1: come down on this guy, but dot Terry Poe. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hear all this criticism Jalen Smith and everything, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't do very much up there for me. And
Speaker 1: so they just don't have the personnel to do it.
Speaker 1: And I don't understand why they're trying to force it.
Speaker 1: They've got three techniques, like like I think at some
Speaker 1: point they got to think about using if they're in
Speaker 1: a four man line, Tyrone Crawford's got to be a
Speaker 1: three technique and if he's not a three technique, and
Speaker 1: they need him to play defensive end to hold down
Speaker 1: the edge because they are not holding down the edge.
Speaker 1: Those guys are so insistent on penetraining. And then they
Speaker 1: and then when the play goes the other way, they're
Speaker 1: out of the play. They didn't hold down the edge
Speaker 1: at all. So uh, and then the other thing, And
Speaker 1: I gotta get on this soap box because I probably
Speaker 1: listened to too much talk radio this morning, but this
Speaker 1: idea that they didn't give any effort. No, they gave effort.
Speaker 1: They just weren't good enough. You know. I heard I
Speaker 1: heard a criticism of Jalen Smith on the fifty yard
Speaker 1: Odell end Around touchdown. Right, he was chasing him down
Speaker 1: for thirty yards. He just couldn't catch them. He was
Speaker 1: the only one that ef Yeah. Yes, And I heard
Speaker 1: somebody say he was loafing on that play. I said, well,
Speaker 1: if he loafed, he loafed for thirty yards at top speed.
Speaker 1: So I think what people need to do is quit
Speaker 1: making stuff up on why they got beat. They just
Speaker 1: got beat. You know, sometimes you're not good enough or
Speaker 1: sometimes you get out foxed. But you know what I
Speaker 1: hate to see is, you know, everybody's taking notes on
Speaker 1: what happened in this game, just the way they took
Speaker 1: notes on their inability to pass coverage the previous game.
Speaker 1: So there, I got, you're done and we're good. Ah,
Speaker 1: that's good stuff. Well I'm gonna chime in like you
Speaker 1: allowed me to. I'm glad you got that out of
Speaker 1: the way. But the first thing is that game itself,
Speaker 1: the game plan we were outschemed. Let's just be real
Speaker 1: about it. We were outschemed. We were outcoached. We I
Speaker 1: talked about yesterday about how no matter what your personnel is,
Speaker 1: you have to be able to make your game plan
Speaker 1: adapt to not just your personnel, but who you're going
Speaker 1: to be playing that particular Sunday, I saw us as
Speaker 1: being a very just like last year, just like the
Speaker 1: year before, I saw us being very stubborn about our
Speaker 1: game plan. You can tell early on if your game
Speaker 1: plan is gonna work, and you can tell what adjustments
Speaker 1: are going to be be made before the first quarter
Speaker 1: is over, especially depending on how much the opposition has
Speaker 1: the ball. We made no adjustments, just like we've done
Speaker 1: in the previous seasons. It reminds me of the Atlanta game.
Speaker 1: You know, you just let Dad get get pummeled out there.
Speaker 1: Never made the adjustment offensively, well defensively, is what we
Speaker 1: did this particular time. So all I can say about
Speaker 1: that is I hope we don't play another team that
Speaker 1: has that type of formation or personnel that they rely upon.
Speaker 1: What we have shown is that whoever we plays against
Speaker 1: us in the future, they will have that package prepared
Speaker 1: for us. Even though this may not be the opposition's
Speaker 1: game plan or what their their mantra is, what their
Speaker 1: culture is. They're going to have a moment or a
Speaker 1: game plan situation where they're gonna say, the Cowboys cannot
Speaker 1: stop the run with this particular personnel in the game.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be something they'll see throughout the entire rest
Speaker 1: of the season. So for the for the other twelve
Speaker 1: games that we're gonna see every team we play, if
Speaker 1: they don't already have it in their package, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have that personnel package in their game plan when they
Speaker 1: need when they play the Cowboys and when they want
Speaker 1: to keep the Cowboys offense off the field, when they
Speaker 1: want to keep that running game off the field. It's
Speaker 1: like trying to keep Buffalo's Kate Kate, What is the
Speaker 1: k gun offense off the field. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: have a good running game, just like the Giants did
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl twenty five. That's what you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to have. And the other thing is your d line.
Speaker 1: You talked about Pole, he's not the only one. If
Speaker 1: you're going to let your offensive lineman gain position on
Speaker 1: you so that he can therefore gain position on the
Speaker 1: next level, which is the linebacker Jaylen Smith in this example,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to make a play as that D lineman.
Speaker 1: If you let that D line, if you let that
Speaker 1: offensive lineman get past you to go to the next
Speaker 1: level and cut off that linebacker, then you, as a
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, you better shoot the gap and make that play. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: you have to keep your roaming linebacker such as a
Speaker 1: Jayleen Smith, such as a Joe Thomas. You have to
Speaker 1: keep them free so that they can what we used
Speaker 1: to call tango up and down the line. Scrimmit, that's
Speaker 1: all you have that that middle linebacker is supposed to
Speaker 1: be the guy that fills that gap when the when
Speaker 1: the offense runs wide. If he doesn't feel that gap,
Speaker 1: then that means that he's been blocked. If he's been blocked,
Speaker 1: that means that the D lineman should be the one
Speaker 1: that take take the blame for that. We saw that
Speaker 1: all game long, We saw it all last year. We
Speaker 1: saw it in the Thanksgiving game. We saw it against Buffalo,
Speaker 1: we saw it against Minnesota. So right now we are
Speaker 1: looking at a deja vu MoMA that we just can't
Speaker 1: wake up from. So, Mickey, Mickey, what do you think
Speaker 1: their defensive game plan would have been in this case
Speaker 1: against Cleveland, if they had either Layton vander Esh or
Speaker 1: Sean Lee available, what do you think scheme wise they
Speaker 1: would have done on defense. I think if they had
Speaker 1: both of those guys available now, not both of them,
Speaker 1: not both of them, just just one of them. Dala
Speaker 1: needed was one of them, vander Esh or Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: If they had vander Esh, then he's in the middle.
Speaker 1: And see, here's the other thing about Jayalen Smith. He's
Speaker 1: never played that week side linebacker. I don't think this
Speaker 1: is a position change for him and his recognition on
Speaker 1: as that that position, to me is like playing safety.
Speaker 1: You've got to recognize what's going to happen before it happens.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to diagnose things. And I
Speaker 1: don't think he does that well out there, not yet anyway,
Speaker 1: because he's never played that spot before. He's used to
Speaker 1: being in the middle. I think with I think with
Speaker 1: vander Esch in the middle, he's he's a physically stronger
Speaker 1: guy than Joe Thomas, and maybe he can fight off
Speaker 1: some of those blocks. And then the other thing is
Speaker 1: he yea and it last year. And then the other
Speaker 1: thing is you would, you you would, you would, you
Speaker 1: would have the ability to play a real linebacker as
Speaker 1: the strong side linebacker instead of a defensive end Dorrence
Speaker 1: Armstrong or Alden Smith who aren't used to play in
Speaker 1: that spot. And that's what they try to do. And
Speaker 1: they don't have enough linebackers right now now. If you
Speaker 1: had both of those guys, Vanderish in the middle, Sean
Speaker 1: Lee is the strong side linebacker where he started most
Speaker 1: of his games last year, and then Jayleen on the
Speaker 1: week side. And if Jalen's not working on the week side,
Speaker 1: do you put Sean over there? You put Jalen on
Speaker 1: the strong side. But they have Here's what you would
Speaker 1: Here's what you would see. I was I was gonna
Speaker 1: talk about this yesterday, Bill because you brought this up
Speaker 1: about Sean Lee. The we know the weakness of Sean
Speaker 1: Lee is the fact that first of all, he just gives,
Speaker 1: he goes all out okay, and he's usually gonna injure
Speaker 1: himself because he's gonna stick his head in there, even
Speaker 1: though he might be the major disadvantage. What we see,
Speaker 1: what we would see with Sean Lee is number one
Speaker 1: quicker recognition on any play that they have That's how
Speaker 1: Sean Lee gets hurt a lot. And this is not
Speaker 1: a put a put down. He's always quickly wreck acknowledging
Speaker 1: everything and he shoots that gap so fast. That's how
Speaker 1: sometimes he ends up getting injured. But that's also how
Speaker 1: he makes so many plays. He realized he's not strong
Speaker 1: enough Bill, so that's why he shoots the gap, tries
Speaker 1: to blow everything up for his teammates, or before everything
Speaker 1: gets started by the offense. He stalls their momentum from
Speaker 1: the beginning of the play, before it even gets started.
Speaker 1: If you're talking Vanderesh with what we've seen, vanderesh recognition
Speaker 1: is not as good, but he's also stronger. The problem
Speaker 1: we had last year was, first of all, he was
Speaker 1: a little bit injured, so he was really not at
Speaker 1: full strength, but they still were successful a bit against
Speaker 1: Vanderesh as well. I don't care who the linebacker is.
Speaker 1: If you're a d lineman, don't keep you free as
Speaker 1: a linebacker, then you are going to be nullified. And
Speaker 1: if they don't make the play, then you're gonna be
Speaker 1: looking at being slashed by the the running back. As
Speaker 1: we saw last year at the beginning, at the end
Speaker 1: of the year and as we have seen at the
Speaker 1: beginning of this year. Your D lineman must make the play.
Speaker 1: The communication between the D lineman and linebacker must be there.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the flex the flex spags. The flex
Speaker 1: defense was all about D lineman controlling the gaps so
Speaker 1: that they can't be penetrated and the linebacker can wrong
Speaker 1: from sideline to sideline. The same concept, but it's not working,
Speaker 1: you know. But there was a domino effect by the
Speaker 1: fact that they don't have that third linebacker. There's a
Speaker 1: domino effect on that defensive line now where Don Terry
Speaker 1: Po and Tristan Hill were playing way too many snaps
Speaker 1: in this game. Tristan Hill played sixty four snaps in
Speaker 1: this game and Don Terry Po played fifty nine. Those
Speaker 1: guys need to be playing half that number of snaps
Speaker 1: in a four three defense. And then you got Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford who can spell them, and there he had thirty
Speaker 1: three snaps in the game. And if you have that
Speaker 1: third linebacker, whether it's Vander Esch, whether it's Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: and however you're going to play those three linebackers, then
Speaker 1: Alden Smith can play a four three defensive end and
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, they can rotate. You've got guys that are
Speaker 1: playing DeMarcus Lawrence, I mean, and essentially they're playing a
Speaker 1: five man They were playing a five man front once
Speaker 1: they fell behind, and so DeMarcus Lawrence is playing a
Speaker 1: three to four outside linebacker, which is he's not doesn't
Speaker 1: have experience doing that in his career. And so it
Speaker 1: was a domino effect when you don't have that third
Speaker 1: starting linebacker and to play the run and to be
Speaker 1: able to play the pass as well. And what and
Speaker 1: what Cleveland was able to do offensively with their second
Speaker 1: tight end, Harrison Bryant. He's really a hybrid between a
Speaker 1: tight end and a wide receiver, and so they could
Speaker 1: go either way and that's their play action stuff was
Speaker 1: working great. He did a good job as far as
Speaker 1: being even if he was used as a third wide receiver,
Speaker 1: then he could run around as a second tight end.
Speaker 1: He was effective and pass block or run blocking. And
Speaker 1: so that's where the Cowboys got I think got caught
Speaker 1: on defense because they did not they do not have
Speaker 1: a replacement on their roster apparently for losing two tight
Speaker 1: ends and their four three scheme, and think about this,
Speaker 1: their tight ends combined for nine catches for seventy one
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown. They had no answer for their
Speaker 1: tight ends. So I think I think we fixed it.
Speaker 1: You know, now they've just got to listen to it.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know, whether he's here's my point also,
Speaker 1: And I thought this was one of the best things
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson did as a head coach, and especially with
Speaker 1: a defensive mind. He did He did not fool himself
Speaker 1: on his personnel. He self scouted his personnel, and he
Speaker 1: understood the strong points and the weak points, and he
Speaker 1: played his hand to those aspects. He didn't he didn't
Speaker 1: he didn't over convince himself that, yeah, this guy's better
Speaker 1: than you know we think. No, it's like, if this
Speaker 1: guy can't do that, then we're not doing this. And
Speaker 1: I think you have to self scout. And you know how,
Speaker 1: you know how he learned that? You know what? You
Speaker 1: know how he learned that? What's that? He learned that
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty nine by going one in fifteen. He
Speaker 1: learned a lot in nineteen eighty nine, right, so did I.
Speaker 1: We were we both learned together that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of limitations in what your teammates can or cannot do.
Speaker 1: And the go the game plan as well. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how you draw it up. You can't get blood
Speaker 1: from a rock, and uh that's what we tried to
Speaker 1: do a whole lot in nineteen eighty nine. Did not work.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Everson learned in nineteen eighty nine that I
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, coming off that game, I'm thinking, if
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Speaker 1: Cowboys fan. Hey, how about after watching the majority of
Speaker 1: that game again, I give you a positive mick shot.
Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you. Olivier Vernon was glad when that game
Speaker 1: was over because Tyrn Smith put a clinic on that
Speaker 1: dude when he was trying to rush the quarterback. And
Speaker 1: I remember, you know when everybody used to say, you know,
Speaker 1: don't don't let Tyrn get his hands on you, because
Speaker 1: once he locks up, it's over right, you ain't going anywhere.
Speaker 1: And I watched pass after passwords. I think I saw
Speaker 1: one so far where he kind of got around him.
Speaker 1: But boy, he put a clinic on blocking the defensive end.
Speaker 1: That's good to hear that. That's about this normal a
Speaker 1: situation that I've heard in quite some time coming from
Speaker 1: an offensive line that was considered the best in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Hand down, especially starting in twenty sixteen before the injuries
Speaker 1: be set us all and with a retirement, of course
Speaker 1: from the disease. We are now pretty much just an
Speaker 1: average offensive line with one or two very good superstars
Speaker 1: on that team. But that that one of the two,
Speaker 1: you don't know when he's gonna play. You don't know
Speaker 1: when he's gonna be full strength. So, you know, people
Speaker 1: talk about the talent we have on this team. We
Speaker 1: still have the talent, but we've got to work a
Speaker 1: lot harder to display that talent considering the fact that
Speaker 1: our old line has been decimated over the last few years.
Speaker 1: You know, well, and it's great seeing Tyron Smith out there,
Speaker 1: and Mickey, want to let me make one more point
Speaker 1: on Olivier Vernon. He did make one play on the
Speaker 1: second series of the game, right before the CD Lamb touchdown,
Speaker 1: where he stopped Zeke for a one yard loss, but
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith wasn't blocking him. He Dalton Schultz was left
Speaker 1: alone on him on that play. And that's the one
Speaker 1: time that I marked down Olivier Vernon's name, and then
Speaker 1: going back and looking at the coaches film, Schultz got
Speaker 1: stuck on him on that particular play and there was
Speaker 1: a one yard loss. But okay, so go ahead make
Speaker 1: your point there, Mickey. And then and then I thought
Speaker 1: Tyler Badish played awfully well for a guy that has
Speaker 1: now played where did I write down here? I think
Speaker 1: he's played like a hundred and thirty three snaps over
Speaker 1: the last two games at center. And I think he's
Speaker 1: got mobility to him. Not only does he know where
Speaker 1: to go blow, but he can get out on the
Speaker 1: screen passes too. And I thought he did a good
Speaker 1: job in space on a couple of those, uh, picking
Speaker 1: off somebody. So I think, you know what, Joe Looney
Speaker 1: might just get wally pipped on this one because I
Speaker 1: think they gotta like what they saw and be out.
Speaker 1: I love reference. I love it and and uh and
Speaker 1: and I think this was the game plan and by
Speaker 1: the Okay, so Mickey, give us an update on Joe Looney.
Speaker 1: He's got an mclor what are we looking at? Probably
Speaker 1: on him. It sounds like he's got a sprained MCL.
Speaker 1: And it's usually when you get those, that's usually two
Speaker 1: to three, two to four weeks on, just kind of
Speaker 1: a normal one, not a severe one. Uh So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be out the next couple of weeks. Now.
Speaker 1: The scary thing now is who's your backup center in
Speaker 1: case something happens to be it Ish. Uh that got
Speaker 1: the guy forgetting his name. He was Henry's. I believe
Speaker 1: he's on the practice squad a backup center, and so
Speaker 1: you know, he might be a guy that they would activate.
Speaker 1: I got a check to see now if he's still
Speaker 1: on the practice squad because he was one of the
Speaker 1: guys that was playing center for him. I got him
Speaker 1: still on the practice squad, Yeah, Marcus Henry. So he's
Speaker 1: a guy that they could basically call up because they
Speaker 1: really don't have another guy that has any experience playing center.
Speaker 1: And if you think about it, when they started training
Speaker 1: camp and he was running second team at center before
Speaker 1: Beatish took over as the as the backup, So they
Speaker 1: might have to do that because I heard somebody say, well,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams's next man up. He's never played a snap
Speaker 1: at center. You can't count on that, and so I
Speaker 1: would think that they might have to decee. They could
Speaker 1: have used Cam Irving if he was healthy, because he's
Speaker 1: played all three spots, but he's on ir and his
Speaker 1: sprained MCL sounded like it was more four to six
Speaker 1: than two to four. So now you know, well, great,
Speaker 1: you got this guy. But until Looney gets back. You
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have to find a backup center. Can
Speaker 1: Zach Martin? Is he that diverse? No? I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know. No, I mean he could. Zack Martin is
Speaker 1: certainly capable of playing any position on that offensive line,
Speaker 1: but may come to that man try. I mean, so
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern is your swing inside guy, right, Mickey and
Speaker 1: so at something matter, But he hasn't played center since
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen at Penn right, and he didn't really get
Speaker 1: any I didn't never see him in training camp get
Speaker 1: any snaps at center. So yeah, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have You're gonna have to have three a
Speaker 1: backup tackle, a backup guard, and a backup center, because
Speaker 1: you're gonna want eight so you can keep eight linemen
Speaker 1: so you can keep forty eight on your on your
Speaker 1: active roster on game day. And I haven't studied these
Speaker 1: I haven't studied the newcomers that they picked up since
Speaker 1: the start of the regular season, which was Alex Light
Speaker 1: and Eric Smith, to to know how they would play
Speaker 1: inside at all, and if they have any experiences. I
Speaker 1: thought those guys Bill were kind of more guard centered,
Speaker 1: I mean guard tackled type guys. I did tackle it.
Speaker 1: I did too. I did too remember seeing any any
Speaker 1: any center UH experience there. So that's going to be
Speaker 1: something that, you know, we need to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: But I think they they I think they've hit a
Speaker 1: home run, would be honest. And I always thought if
Speaker 1: they had, I thought so at the draft. Yes, I
Speaker 1: thought so. If they had an I thought so season,
Speaker 1: a normal training camp, a normal preseason, that that would
Speaker 1: have given him time to win that job. And then
Speaker 1: Joe Looney could play his spot the backup center guard
Speaker 1: on game day, and that's a valuable spot they had.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll see how keep in mind on Biadas.
Speaker 1: You know, he was a Rimington Award winner at Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: He's a three years starter. Whatever he was at Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: he had an injury issue there that dropped him as
Speaker 1: far as his draft stock goes, And in fact, even
Speaker 1: at an injury issue in this offseason. I don't remember
Speaker 1: exactly what it was which limited him as far as
Speaker 1: and of course COVID the pandemic limited him as far
Speaker 1: as his exposure, but the fact that they traded up
Speaker 1: for him late in the fourth round showed what they
Speaker 1: thought of Beatas and I agree with you, Mickey that
Speaker 1: I think if they had a normal off season, that
Speaker 1: they would have given him the opportunity to win that
Speaker 1: starting center spot, because ideally you wanted, you would love
Speaker 1: to have him to have just blossomed. He's your starting center,
Speaker 1: and then Looney's your swing guy inside, especially with his
Speaker 1: experience at center. So they'll do what they can here
Speaker 1: in the in the meantime, but you're ever send your
Speaker 1: points on that offensive line, Yeah, you aren't sure. You
Speaker 1: hope that Tyrn Smith is back healthy again and you
Speaker 1: can just have him be your Pro Bowl left tackle
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, Zach Martin your Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: right guard. They're still issues with Connor Williams and left
Speaker 1: guard and then at right tackle. Now with the news
Speaker 1: coming out over the weekend that Lyle Collins is having
Speaker 1: the hip surgery and he's gone, you just you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to make do out there. And by the way, well, Jerry,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that he can live up to his Jerry talking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jerry talked about Lele Collins and he said, as of today,
Speaker 1: it looks like he's headed towards surgery. He said, everything's
Speaker 1: not certain, but that's the way it looks. So they're
Speaker 1: probably without Lele Collins. So you know, Brandon Knight for
Speaker 1: the season for the season. So Brandon Knight who took
Speaker 1: over fort Eel who was struggling, actually did okay, but
Speaker 1: they gave him help. And you know, when you go
Speaker 1: back to what we were talking about before, the self
Speaker 1: scouting thing, I don't know why they thought they could
Speaker 1: leave Terrence Steele out there on his own against Myles Garrett.
Speaker 1: Not not every snap right, And so when they moved
Speaker 1: Night out there, he did a decent job, but they
Speaker 1: did a lot of chipping and they had a tight
Speaker 1: end over there quite a bit to help him out.
Speaker 1: And it kind of worked because after that first quarter
Speaker 1: and a half, we didn't hear much from Myles Garrett
Speaker 1: after that, by the way, and so and the one
Speaker 1: time he did put pressure on dak Zeke missed his
Speaker 1: chip and allowed him to come through, and it caused
Speaker 1: some problems for Dak. He had to step up and
Speaker 1: then he had to end up throwing the ball away.
Speaker 1: So they learned something about themselves after that that first
Speaker 1: order and a half that Okay, we can't just sit
Speaker 1: here and say, ah, next guy up. Right, that's that
Speaker 1: guy's job. There's a reason why is the next guy right,
Speaker 1: he ain't the guy way you can't say that about
Speaker 1: be honest. That's why they call him mister badass. Right.
Speaker 1: There are certain there are certain guys that you that
Speaker 1: can come through. There are certain guys where you can
Speaker 1: say next man up. There used to be an entire
Speaker 1: culture of them just waiting to get in and play,
Speaker 1: but nowadays it seems like everyone is just we're gonna
Speaker 1: adhere to what the narrative is about me. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get any better than that, because they say I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna get any better than that, And that doesn't
Speaker 1: bode well for teams who are trying to win this
Speaker 1: battle of attrition as we go throughout the season, because
Speaker 1: that's what that's the biggest battle right now, the injury report.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest game that that's the biggest opponent that
Speaker 1: we have right now when it comes to this Cowboys team.
Speaker 1: So the more guys that we can say can accept
Speaker 1: that next man up, moniker, then the better off will
Speaker 1: be because right now you're gonna have some practice guys
Speaker 1: out there in the thick of things. By the time
Speaker 1: November comes and that might be just the best case
Speaker 1: scenario for us. So we gotta be ready to play,
Speaker 1: no excuses. And Cowboys not the only ones having this problem.
Speaker 1: It's a league wide thing. Let's see just how good
Speaker 1: we are up and down our roster. Let's see just
Speaker 1: how good we are on who we sign. It's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a very interesting year, and
Speaker 1: I just can't wait to see what happens at the
Speaker 1: end of it, because we're gonna hear some names that
Speaker 1: we've never heard of in our lives coming off the
Speaker 1: practice field, and they might be very integral when it
Speaker 1: comes to the Cowboy success, let's hope. And we're seeing
Speaker 1: that across the league right now. I mean when you
Speaker 1: look at and by the way, we got to go
Speaker 1: to break here down a couple of points on seventy seven.
Speaker 1: It was great to see Tyrant Smith back on the
Speaker 1: field for the Cowboys. If you have a chance to
Speaker 1: go look at the coaches film, look at seventy seven
Speaker 1: for Cleveland, and they're the big reason why the Cowboys
Speaker 1: defensive line was having some issues doing anything in that game.
Speaker 1: Wyatt teller number seventy seven for Cleveland at right guard.
Speaker 1: He was originally drafted in the fifth round by Buffalo
Speaker 1: and for some reason they traded him to Cleveland and
Speaker 1: he is now emerging at age whatever. He is twenty six,
Speaker 1: is one of the top offensive guards in this league.
Speaker 1: And they got a two time Pro Bowler at left
Speaker 1: guard their offensive line, and what they've done. They drafted
Speaker 1: the first rounder as well at left tackle, and they've
Speaker 1: got Jack Conklin at right tackle. They're a big reason
Speaker 1: why Cleveland is three and one right now. And then
Speaker 1: you look at Philadelphia and all the injuries that they've
Speaker 1: had on their offensive line, and prior to their game
Speaker 1: against San Francisco, you talk about injuries, San Francisco's got
Speaker 1: more in reason virtually any team in the league. And
Speaker 1: Philadelphia was able to patch the offensive line together enough
Speaker 1: to win that game at San Francisco and now they're
Speaker 1: sitting here in first place in this division. Long. Don't worry,
Speaker 1: it won't last long, all right, come back from break.
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Speaker 1: that right now here on mix shots and Mickey, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking you teased it next man up? Okay, who was
Speaker 1: the next man up in that game the other day? Ever?
Speaker 1: Sinking you think of who would have been next man
Speaker 1: up on that defense? It's a defensive player, right, Mickey, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: d Okay, I'm thinking it's nobody in the front seven.
Speaker 1: There you go, all right? So like the fifth play
Speaker 1: of the game, there was next man up after Jarvis
Speaker 1: Landry through a touchdown pass that beat Darian Thompson to
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham's junior. So I'm thinking you were teasing maybe
Speaker 1: next man up at the safety position number thirty seven Wilson. Yes,
Speaker 1: he ended up taking over. And I guarantee you he
Speaker 1: played more snaps in that game than he had in
Speaker 1: his career as a defensive player at safety. If I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, he had seventy seventy snaps in the game,
Speaker 1: so if the rest of the way, he played nine
Speaker 1: of the snaps. And look, he wasn't perfect. I saw
Speaker 1: a couple of times he made mistakes, missed the tackle
Speaker 1: or two, but he finished with ten tackles to lead
Speaker 1: the team. He had one sack, a tackle for a loss,
Speaker 1: and a quarterback hit, so almost playing like a rookie
Speaker 1: because most of the time last year he was inactive
Speaker 1: or he was just a special teams guy, and they
Speaker 1: had been grooming him more and more to be able
Speaker 1: to play on the first team defense. And you know,
Speaker 1: I thought he did a decent job he had. He
Speaker 1: had an alignment problem or assignment problem on the goal
Speaker 1: line on the touchdown passed too. I think it was
Speaker 1: no No. I think it was the tight end maybe
Speaker 1: uh I had he Worly Whirly ended up covering like
Speaker 1: two guys and before the snap, Whirlely was kind of
Speaker 1: motioning him to move over, move over, and he kind
Speaker 1: of froze and Wiry actually had he was one guy
Speaker 1: on three receivers and that didn't turn out. So but
Speaker 1: he was playing. He was playing red rover, red rover,
Speaker 1: and I thought E. Wilson didn't come over. But other
Speaker 1: than that, I and I still don't know what happened
Speaker 1: on the fifty yard reverse to Odell Beckham because he
Speaker 1: was coming like a boy. He was coming across the
Speaker 1: field like he was shot out of a cannon. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I just see him fly
Speaker 1: by and he missed the tackle. And I don't know
Speaker 1: how he missed it, um, but anyway I can tell you.
Speaker 1: I can tell you he had no help. That's why
Speaker 1: he assumed when he when he hauled ass over there, right,
Speaker 1: Because Beckham was hauling ass himself, he was he was
Speaker 1: gonna meet him as best he could. But there was
Speaker 1: so much trash in the way. You assumed the traybon
Speaker 1: Diggs was gonna make the play, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened to him. He just ended up floating out
Speaker 1: of bounds. It's as if the move that Beckham made,
Speaker 1: they thought he was gonna step out of bounds. And
Speaker 1: I don't know why they thought that, because he's got
Speaker 1: the maneuverability of one of the greatest athletes. So his
Speaker 1: move inside was a good move, but it wasn't a
Speaker 1: great move. When you over commit too much to the sideline,
Speaker 1: the sideline as your defender, right, that's one of your defenders.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, they're all running to the sideline. No,
Speaker 1: you have to gather yourself, use the sideline as your friend.
Speaker 1: No one did that. When it came to Cowboy pursuit
Speaker 1: Uh not Diggs. Uh not Wilson. And and that's why
Speaker 1: Jayalen Smith was left trying to chase him down. If
Speaker 1: someone would have just given just halted his progress a
Speaker 1: little bit, then Jayden's gonna come come from behind them
Speaker 1: probably knocked the heck out of him. But no one
Speaker 1: made the play typical. And you know what another thing
Speaker 1: on Jayalen on that one, he was on the opposite
Speaker 1: side of the field. He had he had stepped up
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage like he bit on the
Speaker 1: on the play fake, which that linebackers got to cover
Speaker 1: that side and he had to come all the way.
Speaker 1: He has to. He has to respect that right. And
Speaker 1: and so you know, anybody that tells me he was
Speaker 1: loafing on that play, they don't know what they're talking about,
Speaker 1: or they didn't watch the game. They just assumed, right.
Speaker 1: But I thought Donovan Wilson did a nice job, especially
Speaker 1: uh in run support. I thought he did a good job.
Speaker 1: And you know, he'll have to work on his coverage deal.
Speaker 1: But uh, I went the way. Mike Nolan answered the
Speaker 1: question uh during his conference call yesterday, and somebody asked about,
Speaker 1: you know, making the switch, and he says, well, after
Speaker 1: the uh you know, the end around passed to for
Speaker 1: a touchdown, he said, we decided to, you know, try
Speaker 1: something a little bit different, and he spoke well of
Speaker 1: what Donovan Wilson did in the game that safeties and
Speaker 1: your defensive backs as your leading tacklers on the field,
Speaker 1: you got a problem. And if it keeps going like this,
Speaker 1: we will have one of our safeties will be our
Speaker 1: leading UH tackler on the field, and that will probably
Speaker 1: not bode well for what's been going on with ourt front. Seven. Well,
Speaker 1: and here you go, just to highlight that Everson they
Speaker 1: the guy that had the most tackles of the defensive line,
Speaker 1: the defensive front, it was Antoine Woods. He had five
Speaker 1: assisted tackles. He was the top guy. Everson Griffin had
Speaker 1: three tackles, one assist and four. Lawrence had also had
Speaker 1: had three, and Tristan Hill had three. But yeah, when
Speaker 1: it six guys had to have more tackles than the
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, you know you're having problems up front. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh and one other Smith, go ahead, go ahead, Alden
Speaker 1: Smith was going to Alden Smith had fifty four snaps
Speaker 1: in that game, and he's had over sixty in the
Speaker 1: last two games prior to that, do you think he's
Speaker 1: You think that's a good number for him, or would
Speaker 1: you like to see more of a rotation at the
Speaker 1: defensive end spot. I think it's too many. I think
Speaker 1: that too. If they could keep him to around forty
Speaker 1: snaps or so, then I think that's about right, because
Speaker 1: if you think about it, he's had one good game,
Speaker 1: one off game, one good game, one kind of off
Speaker 1: game where he's not as active, and his body's probably
Speaker 1: just not you used to getting hit like that, uh
Speaker 1: and and probably needs some time to recover. When you
Speaker 1: have that many snaps, he looks, he looks exhausted. He
Speaker 1: looks exhausted. Yeah, that's right, And that's why I would
Speaker 1: like to see them go to just go to a
Speaker 1: four three defense and rotate Lawrence, Griffin, uh Smith and
Speaker 1: Armstrong at the defensive ends, and he rotate your inside guys,
Speaker 1: and those guys are going to be fresher that way.
Speaker 1: Also in yesterday, but you need a line viper right.
Speaker 1: Also in yesterday's conference call, I thought this was interesting
Speaker 1: with John Fossil. Uh. They asked him about, you know,
Speaker 1: how they played the block punt in Jalen trying to
Speaker 1: pick it up, and he said, well, we were going
Speaker 1: to have a block on and we knew we needed
Speaker 1: to score points. So the last thing he said he
Speaker 1: reminded everybody he goes, if we block it, just remember
Speaker 1: scoop and score. And unfortunately, I don't think he was
Speaker 1: talking to when the ball was at your own five
Speaker 1: yard line to pick it up and run ninety five
Speaker 1: yards for a two point conversion. So unfortunately, yeah, Jalen
Speaker 1: Leon led at it and allowed them to recover in
Speaker 1: the end zone. Further, hey, that's not fair to make
Speaker 1: leon let a verb. Okay, that is not fair and
Speaker 1: the hell of a player I also figured out. I
Speaker 1: also figured out on my own. I woke up this
Speaker 1: morning with this thought. Remember yesterday I said something about
Speaker 1: prior to that fourth and two and Dak's fastball touchdown
Speaker 1: pass to Amari Cooper that in that time out that
Speaker 1: McCarthy was talking to Fossil on the sideline. It dawned
Speaker 1: on me this morning he was asking about a fake
Speaker 1: field goal. They were their other option might have been,
Speaker 1: And I'm just speculating. I have no idea. I was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, why is he talking to Fossil
Speaker 1: on the sideline, and I thought, well, is there's something
Speaker 1: wrong with zerline? I mean, it wasn't that long of
Speaker 1: a field goal, and so the only thing I could
Speaker 1: figure is they were looking at Okay, what what do
Speaker 1: you How do you think about a fake field goal?
Speaker 1: What play do you got for a fake field goal?
Speaker 1: And they decided to run a player instead? What do
Speaker 1: you think? Yeah? Like that think I like it? Keep
Speaker 1: it up, keep it up? Absolutely? Yeah. And the other
Speaker 1: the other thing, well, you gotta watch those network TV
Speaker 1: cameras and none have your special team's coach come over
Speaker 1: and talk to you. You might give it away if
Speaker 1: I can figure it out, the other team might be
Speaker 1: able to. And then all right, and knees and real quick.
Speaker 1: On Kellen Moore's they asked him on the two point
Speaker 1: conversion where you're getting towards the end of the two
Speaker 1: point conversion plays that you had on your sheet, and
Speaker 1: he goes, we pretty much exhausted it. He goes. The
Speaker 1: good thing is though, you can always use you could
Speaker 1: always use your goal line plays as your two point conversions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. Well they worked well the other day,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. All Right, we continue with more mick
Speaker 1: shots and no telling what Mickey is gonna come up
Speaker 1: with tomorrow on the next player to emerge to turn
Speaker 1: around this season. I'll have to pull out my Jimmy
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