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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Drive. I'm dale Alie. He is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson and it is time for the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: football focus. And as we told people earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: this is a an abbreviated week. We're doingly doing shows

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Speaker 1: on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. This week no shows Thursday or Friday,

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Speaker 1: and so we'll kind of expediate things or move things

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Speaker 1: along here atough quickly this week, particularly when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the fantasy segment. The pickups top waiver wire pickups

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Speaker 1: this week. At running back, people are looking at Jeff

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Speaker 1: Wilson Junior at twenty point four percent ownership. But he

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Speaker 1: wasn't much of a factor even before. I think he

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Speaker 1: was an activist past week. Yeah, chan was limited in practice.

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Speaker 1: Today they at least listed him as that so he

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Speaker 1: would be number three in that pecking order.

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Speaker 2: There is sound hurt. Okay, it's not great, but Wilson.

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Speaker 2: One of the problems with Wilson is he's on a

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Speaker 2: special team.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, they did put solve on Aucment on injury

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Speaker 1: reserve two.

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Speaker 2: I also think Moster might not be long for this world.

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Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but as hard as he

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Speaker 2: runs in his age, he's older than you think. He

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Speaker 2: seems like a prime candidate to go down going forward.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'd stick Wilson on the ball of my bet maybe. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I guess he's not super exciting though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's not. Keaton Mitchell still owned in thirty five

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Speaker 1: point one percent of leagues.

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Speaker 2: I'm in on him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He passed Hill for the number two job. Yeah, which

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Speaker 2: is all he really needed to do, so things will

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Speaker 2: come for him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He played twenty four snaps last week Compared to it

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Speaker 1: wasn't nearly as explosive though this past week.

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Speaker 2: No, he's going to be hit or miss teams are.

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Speaker 1: Teams are going to quickly figure out when he's in

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Speaker 1: the game, Like the first couple of times he catches you,

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Speaker 1: but okay, you don't notice it once he starts showing

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Speaker 1: up in the end zone a couple of times. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Now as soon as he steps on the field, he's

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Speaker 1: on the field, people are going to identify that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. But he's a good receiver and he's

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Speaker 2: in a good offense, so I think he's maybe a

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Speaker 2: FlexIt best.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Roshawn Johnson owned in twenty four point four percent of leagues.

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Speaker 2: Apparentlyman's injured.

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Speaker 1: Deonta Foreman dealing with an ankle injury. Khalil Herbert's back though, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Herbert's the one field is really the two he was

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Speaker 2: He was one of only three one hundred DRD rushers

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Speaker 2: this weekend. But they're the heaviest rush team in the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quarterback, he got Jordan loved own in forty three

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Speaker 1: point six percent of leagues last.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks he's played. He's been in real life ye too,

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Speaker 2: So i'd be interested if you're really hurting.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Derek Carr in twenty point nine. I can't go there.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't run at all. Yeah, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: they're even gonna rush him back.

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Speaker 1: Wide receiver to two at well his own he got

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Speaker 1: percent ownership. Cooper Cup now dealing with an ankle injury.

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Speaker 2: Point, he's good.

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Speaker 1: He was scoring when Cup wasn't out there, he was

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Speaker 1: he was legit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Coup had twenty targets a game, but

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Speaker 2: he was getting ten. He was ten. Yeah, it's he's

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Speaker 2: not a bad player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about these guys because they just played

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Speaker 1: the Packers a couple of weeks ago. But Romeo Dobbs

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Speaker 1: and Jaden Reid are the two receivers to own in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. They are Christian Watson's and after thought.

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Speaker 2: Now, he's hard to try, that's for sure. Wicks is

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Speaker 2: getting some action too, but they're they're manufacturing touches for

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Speaker 2: Reid in particular. Yeah, they want to get him the football.

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Speaker 1: He's explosive guy. Dobbs is kind of the red zone target.

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Speaker 2: Move the chains guy to him. Yeah, I can figure things.

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Speaker 1: Out a lot. I can't go this. He has a

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Speaker 1: great matchup this week. Odell Beckham forty three point eight

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Speaker 1: shoulder injury. Yeah, I don't trust him. I would pick

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Speaker 1: I mean, Beckham's in leagues.

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Speaker 2: I'm not dropping him or anything, but he'd have to

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Speaker 2: show me a lot more to be fantasy worthy.

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Speaker 1: Are you interested in Elijah Moore? He's owned in thirty

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Speaker 1: six point four percent.

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Speaker 2: They sure seem to be wanting to use him more.

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Speaker 2: But everything goes to Cooper and the Joku, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know if that's going to change much. He's a

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Speaker 2: very close to the line of scrimmage guy too.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's what they're doing now, they're doing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you've got to figure that this week. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's certain is going to lock down on Cooper.

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Speaker 2: Cooper might not be a bad DFS pickup or just

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Speaker 2: for you just to play this week. You know they're

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Speaker 2: trying to incorporate Tillman more and more. That's why they

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Speaker 2: traded people's jones. Yeah, and he hasn't done a lot.

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Speaker 1: Uh. The Mario Douglas twenty five twenty four point five

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Speaker 1: of the injury. Jamison Williams has seen his snaps increase

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Speaker 1: each week, but he still doesn't get any targets.

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Speaker 2: No, he caught a touchdown. He's starting to pick up

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Speaker 1: I loved them coming out of band I can't trust

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Speaker 1: it though, but he's not started. Next year is probably

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Speaker 1: his Probably next year, I don't know. He's like a

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Speaker 1: perfect watch list guy. Yeah. Khalil Shakir's five point four

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Speaker 1: about Greg dortch point one percent ownership.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, keep an eye on him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not a great group. No at tight end.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Likely's point nine percent ownership.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'd put in for him. I don't think he's

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Speaker 2: not twelve tight end, but I think he's top fifteen ish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In in five career game where he has seen five

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Speaker 1: or more targets, he's averaged thirteen point one Fantasy points

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Speaker 1: games where he gets five or more targets.

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Speaker 2: No, but I mean he's a starter now, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean I don't think he'll get Andrew's targets. No, no,

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Speaker 1: He's just another one to add to the mix of

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Speaker 1: guys you pay you play and hope that he gets

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Speaker 1: three for fifty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I could see him. I think I could

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Speaker 2: paint the picture where he's closer to Trey McBride than

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Speaker 2: that than the Geskis of the world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The other guys to look at this week Luke Musgrave

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Speaker 1: at twenty eight point three percent ownership, Yeah, Michael Mayer

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had two or three good weeks and then yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: Then Pat Freiremouth got dropped in a bunch of leagues.

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Speaker 1: He's got forty one point three percent ownership.

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Speaker 2: To say it, but I need to see more. This

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Speaker 2: could be a week to do it though, against the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: It should be like I would consider him in DFS.

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Speaker 2: I think gets thirteen targets for the year.

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Speaker 1: I think they were easing him back into things last week.

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Speaker 1: I think you'll see more. I think you'll see more

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Speaker 1: usage this week and then moving forward too.

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Speaker 2: And we talked about middlefield passing that's up his alley. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm as a Steeler person, I want to see more mooth,

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Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, But for fantasy, I can't jump there yet.

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Speaker 1: But he should be owned, I guess.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I can see him being dropped in

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Speaker 2: a lot of leagus. Yeah, I mean, he wasn't doing

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Speaker 1: Let's look at putting together a DFS lineup for Thursday's games. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll do our We'll do our weekend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, this is three normal, three standalone games here, which

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Speaker 1: means when they have six quarterbacks to choose from, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and six defenses and six defenses, do you want to

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Speaker 1: go defense first. Okay, So you get the Cowboys against

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Speaker 1: Washington at thirty eight hundred, it's going to be pricey

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers against Seattle at thirty.

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Speaker 2: Six hundred, maybe without Gino.

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Speaker 1: The Lions against Green Bay at thirty two hundred.

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Speaker 2: Green Bezo is playing better, though.

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Speaker 1: Packers against Detroit at twenty eight hundred.

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Speaker 2: He's been playing a little bit better too.

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Speaker 1: Seahawks against the Niners at twenty six hundred, and Commanders

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Speaker 2: I think i'd pay for one of the top two.

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Speaker 2: I like it. Sacked fifty thirty eight hundred is not

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Speaker 2: bad for the Dallas defensor, not compared to it's going

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Speaker 2: to be chalky. Oh yeah, but sacks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he just plug it in and expected

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Speaker 1: everybody's going to play that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm fine with it.

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Speaker 1: A quarterbacky normal standard dak is sixty eight hundred against

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Speaker 1: Washington's thirty second rated fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they throw and they run up a score.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Goff is sixty three hundred, Sam Howe is sixty

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Speaker 1: two hundred. Rock Party is sixty one hundred. That's interesting

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Speaker 1: to be that cheap. He should not Gino Smith is

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Speaker 1: at fifty six hundred. Jordan Love is fifty five hundred.

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Speaker 1: That's not terrible either.

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Speaker 2: Not either party, I think the most attractive for the buck.

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Speaker 2: I would have had him right next to Dak.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty one. It's only seven hundred dollars, but it's

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Speaker 1: seven hundred dollars you save.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd consider Dak too, but I think Party will

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Speaker 2: be their love actually too. It's not bad.

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Speaker 1: It's not bad, you know, if you really want to

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Speaker 1: pay down. But it's only thirteen hundred dollars difference. He

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Speaker 1: split the difference and put pretty weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, where we're gonna spend a more money.

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Speaker 1: But we'll find a way we can add well. I

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Speaker 1: mean we can only average fifty seven hundred rested away here.

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Speaker 2: So okay, so we did go kind of expensive.

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Speaker 1: At running back, McCaffrey is eighty seven hundred. Seattle is

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Speaker 1: twenty eighth Against opposing running backs, Jamior Gibbs sixty eight hundred,

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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard sixty seven hundred, David Montgomery sixty three hundred,

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker is sixty two hundred, Aaron Jones he's doubtful

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Speaker 1: six thousand. Brian Robinson is fifty nine hundred. Not horrible,

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Speaker 1: especially if script if he's going to catch pass y, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's not bad. Aj Dillon is fifty four hundred. If

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Speaker 1: you think that Jones is.

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Speaker 2: Not going to play, Walker's gonna play, why isn't sharbon Avn.

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Speaker 1: And sharbon Ay is fifty three hundred. He didn't do

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Speaker 1: anything last week. That's why he and they're playing the Niners.

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Speaker 2: He's the Bellcower.

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Speaker 1: You got Jordan Mason at forty seven hundred, Rico Dowdle

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Speaker 1: at forty six hundred. That's a nice little pivot.

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Speaker 2: And if you think they're gonna blow him out, the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter is always his.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The other guys are just kind of.

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Speaker 2: Are my favorite.

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Speaker 1: I think you plugged Dawdell in we need to go

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Speaker 1: cheap somewhere to get to get yourself a bit the

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Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, I like the Dowdle pick uh.

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Speaker 1: He is questionable this week though, if we have to

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Speaker 2: It's been a little quiet, but I still trust him

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Speaker 1: We'd have we have enough money to well, we'd have

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Speaker 2: But I think he's gonna get a lot of touches

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Speaker 1: Second against opposing wide receivers. Yeah, they do throw a lot,

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Speaker 2: Uh could we skimp at tight end? Now we took

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Speaker 1: We could go really cheaper tight end with they were cheaper.

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Speaker 2: We could go for a cheaper D.

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Speaker 1: We could go for a cheaper D.

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Speaker 2: Robinson's attractive.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get touches.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna get touches. Yeah, let's see what we can

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Speaker 2: We could get down. The forty nine Ers would save

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Speaker 1: The Lions d has not been as good lately. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But green Bay is playing a little better and Lions's

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Speaker 1: Okay, keeping Dallas if we could, if we try to,

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Speaker 1: if we buy down from Jake Ferguson, we could get

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Speaker 1: Logan Thomas at thirty five hundred, Luke Musgrave at thirty

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Speaker 2: I think I'd rather keep Ferguson and McLaurin.

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Speaker 1: if we go what if we do we take Dawdell out?

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Speaker 1: Is there anybody else that looks Chris Rodriguez gets touches?

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Speaker 2: Let's see what happens. We put Love in, then that

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Speaker 2: Mm. Leaning towards keeping it how we had it with

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Speaker 1: But we just miss on Robinson. We just missed on

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Speaker 1: dB Samuel. If I knew that, if you knew Dylan

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Speaker 2: Well then yeah, I don't hate that. I just don't

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Speaker 1: why that's the reason why you're starting Brian Robinson, because

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Speaker 2: Could see the Brown turn into Lamb.

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Speaker 1: Saint Brown could turn into CD Lambs.

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Speaker 2: Well, Lamb.

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Speaker 1: those two. Yeah, I really right, especially Lamb. What do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ayuk, we can't get the same brown from Ayuk.

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Speaker 1: We'll do our DFS lineup for this weekend's game, including

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Speaker 1: the Steelers tomorrow, we get we get a lot to

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, predictions, all that stuff being I gotta get a

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Speaker 1: We're also going to take a break so we can

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Speaker 1: get through the power rankings and see where the Steelers

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Speaker 1: are this week in the power rankings. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: and well, Matt, it's time to do our power rankings,

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Speaker 1: or look at the power rankings. Not our power rankings,

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Speaker 1: but we'll discuss where we would have some teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Here, as we go through, we use Eric at Holmes

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Speaker 1: Power Rankings on NFL dot Com and at thirty one

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Speaker 1: holding Steady or the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 2: I guess I mean the Giants one. I mean to me,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there'd be another team that would be fighting

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Speaker 1: the new England Patriots. I really think right now, if

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Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers played the New England Patriots, I think New.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they can. I don't know thoroughly.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing is, they can't have a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: It's so last year they played an entire season without

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting way to attack things.

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Speaker 1: And now Belichick he's not saying who's going to start.

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Speaker 2: think the mac Jones ship is totally sailed.

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Speaker 2: than the Giants. So are they?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that. I mean the.

442
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 2: Giants are hideous.

443
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 1: I mean, if it wasn't for if the Giants are hideous,

444
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: what is Washington which is lost to the Giants twice?

445
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 2: They're gonna be roll low. At least they have a quarterback.

446
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 2: I mean, the Giants might still be last for me,

447
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: but I'm fine with them being the bottom three.

448
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 1: The Cardinals bumped down again the off Eric Aedtholme, I

449
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: guarantee you is from the New York Greater. Yeah, the

450
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: Jets will every time, every time one of the New

451
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 1: York team wins win, they get bumped like seventy two

452
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: spots up the order.

453
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 2: The Giants can't do anything. They're awful, They're horrendous. Yeah.

454
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,640
Speaker 1: Offense, Yeah, they're at least competitive now.

455
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 2: Uh.

456
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,679
Speaker 1: He bumped the Giants up two spots to twenty nine.

457
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 2: They better be coming up here soon.

458
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

459
00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 2: At twenty eight the Bears, I think they're turning a

460
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 2: corner to respect the bility.

461
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: There's still three and eight fields is hard.

462
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 2: I mean, how they're constructed now is the best they've

463
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: been all year.

464
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 1: And they're three and eight.

465
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 2: No, they're a bad football team. Yeah.

466
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: At twenty seven, down two spots the Tennessee Titans.

467
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: They're falling quick too.

468
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

469
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 2: I think the Bears are better than Titans.

470
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, could rape will get fired.

471
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 2: There's time ended up in New England. I don't I

472
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 2: don't see him getting fired. Maybe they should just trade coaches,

473
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 2: like there's been talk about they should trade Rable to

474
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 2: New England and takes New England.

475
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: Tennessee went Belichick.

476
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 2: No, I think Belichick ends up picking Washington or something.

477
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: At twenty six down three spots the Commanders.

478
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 2: They'd be lower than that for me, Commanders versus Bears

479
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 2: is a conversation to.

480
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: Me, like Sam Howe is leading the league in passing

481
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 1: yards and therefore people talk about Sam Howe being a

482
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: good quarterback. He had three horrendous inner in that game

483
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: on Sunday.

484
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: You talk about reckless guy. Yeah with the ball as

485
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: he's the anti Kenny right now? Yeah, I mean he

486
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 2: is way too reckless.

487
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 1: When people say, what could happen if if the Steelers

488
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: just like Kenny pick a throw it all over the yard, well,

489
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: it could.

490
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: Be Sam House six turnovers and.

491
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: They're four and seven. Yeah, and they've lost the Giant,

492
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: where I think.

493
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:19,959
Speaker 2: Is the worst team in the Leagueya, and turn them

494
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: all over six times, Yeah, and your quarterback it's crap

495
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 2: beat out.

496
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

497
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: Other than that, right right, nothing.

498
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: Their defense is so bad though, they be awful.

499
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: Awful At twenty five down three, spots. Finally he's finally

500
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: wisening up on the Jets.

501
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 2: So Boyle is going to be the quarterback. Yeah, he's

502
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: never had a positive touchdown to interception ratio going back

503
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 2: to college.

504
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not going to be good.

505
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: He was. He had a one and one touchdown to

506
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: thirteen interceptions at Connecticut as a starter. Yeah, he's why

507
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: is he even in the league? Say, how's that guy

508
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 2: making millions or whatever? Still, Yeah, what's what is he

509
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: going to bring to the table.

510
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't get it. In the Jets defense,

511
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: people have now figured out that you can just run on.

512
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: Them and they're gonna be out there all the time,

513
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: all day, and you know at the end of the

514
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 2: year they're gonna have anything left. And they're getting to

515
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: that point already. Like if you look at EPA, and

516
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure Dvoa is just like it. The Jets are last,

517
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 2: the Giants are thirty first, and then there's a gap

518
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: between the other thirty one cities like the Grand Canyon

519
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: right right, I mean Carolina and teams like that are

520
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: fighting for thirtieth. But those two are a distant last.

521
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: Up three spots. And we said they should have been hired.

522
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: Last week? Are the Rams at twenty.

523
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: Four okay, they're definitely better than any team mentioned, Yeah,

524
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 2: no problem with that. I don't know they're better than

525
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: like Tampa, though, I think they're better than like Tampa.

526
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean at twenty three up a spot Atlanta.

527
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: Okay, i'd probably the Rams over Tampa and Atlanta though

528
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: I would too. Yeah, yeah, I mean Stafford's legit, dude.

529
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 2: At twenty two up four spots have a quarterback either, No,

530
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 2: they don't go.

531
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: Back to twenty two up four spots Green Bay.

532
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're playing back. They were more impressive against the

533
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: Steelers than I thought they'd be, and they were goodness

534
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: past week.

535
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: At twenty one holding steady? Are the Raiders.

536
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: I guess, but I think they're a dog again.

537
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: This is who people the Miami fans were celebrating, May

538
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: we finally beat a good team? No you didn't.

539
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 2: No, I mean that's too high. I think they lose

540
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: the Green Bay the Rams.

541
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. With Aidan O'Connell starting. Yeah, yeah, at twenty down

542
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: a spot, Tampa Bay, they'd.

543
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: Be lowering that too. I think Atlanta's better than Tampa. Yeah.

544
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: At nineteen down a spot, the Chargers who's the best

545
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: LA team might be the Rams. I trust the Rams

546
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot more. And now the Chargers

547
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: don't have Bosa.

548
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: The defense is so bad they're horrendous.

549
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're spending people get on the Steelers. Well,

550
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: the Steelers have this high priced defense. The Chargers. The

551
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: Chargers are spending a gazillion. They got stars at every level,

552
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: and they're paying guys all this money, and they stink.

553
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: Their salary cap situations like the worst in the league.

554
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: They stayed next year. Yeah, and he's a defensive coach. Yeah.

555
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 2: And I mean they need one more receiver too. I

556
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: mean that's kind of dude to injury. They would be

557
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: lower for me.

558
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: At eighteen down six spots. The Bengals they're lower for

559
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: me too.

560
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: I mean they don't have an NFL quarterback.

561
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: They don't have an NFL quarterback.

562
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And we just talked about the defense an

563
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: hour ago. I mean, it's not the typical.

564
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, So he banged the Bengals for

565
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: not having the quarterback. If you remember when the Jets

566
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: went to Wilson, he didn't need They stayed at like eleven,

567
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: they stayed at twelve. All season long, they stayed up

568
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: in the teams and they didn't move down lower until now. Yeah,

569
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: like they know they're a bad football team.

570
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: Football team. I mean, I guess you could say there's

571
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 2: hope that Wilson will look like the second overall pick,

572
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: but there was no hope.

573
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: Is not a plan.

574
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this guy's not really an NFL quarter No, No,

575
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: Wilson's proving as well.

576
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: At seventeen up three spots is Denver.

577
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they need to keep climbing.

578
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: At least they have a quarterback.

579
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they hide them a little bit, but they

580
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: have a plan there and they're moving the right direction. Yeah.

581
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: I just still don't know that they're real good.

582
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: We're good, right, I say they're real average now.

583
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're they're going to be a team

584
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: that finishes at eight to nine, nine and eight. Yeah,

585
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: we're not right, which is a successful which is I

586
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: guess where they're Yeah, they're seventeenth to.

587
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: So they're getting their money out their coach. I mean,

588
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: they gave them a huge contract.

589
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, sixteen up a spot is Indianapolis.

590
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 2: Who's better of those two teams? Hmmm?

591
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: Dead even pretty close? Yeah, Well, I think if they

592
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: played Indianapolis would run all over Denver. Denver can't stop the.

593
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: Run, defenses bad against Yeah, it's not just the Dolphins

594
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: sixty point game. Yeah, I guess I'll put India over them.

595
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 2: They're a little bit out of sight, out of mind,

596
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: of course.

597
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

598
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: I fifteen up a spot New Orleans kind of the

599
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 1: same thing. So they didn't do anything over the by

600
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: to get better. In fact, they've probably gotten worse.

601
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: But so someone that follows me on Twitter at a

602
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: really insightful comment. I thought, because I put out a

603
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 2: tweet to that's shocking most of them, I don't pay

604
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: attention to it. But then sometimes smart stuff I like,

605
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: so I put out this tweet about Canada, and here's

606
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: this graph of how much harder the Steelers' offense has

607
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: had it compared to the rest of the league. Yeah,

608
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: I've documented that much. And the Saints fan writes back

609
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: and goes, I looked at the opposite. The Saints have

610
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: like the easiest path ever and their offense things too,

611
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: you know, Like I'm like, well that's a good one.

612
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: Well yeah right, I mean I was looking at through

613
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: a Steeler lens. But if you have the easiest set

614
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: of defenses in the league, maybe you should be better

615
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: than a offense.

616
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, five and five and you know, right, and.

617
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: Struggling to score points and just fine on offense, but

618
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: not good. At fourteen, up a spot even though they lost,

619
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: I say, Denver US Minnesota, there was a pretty even game.

620
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: Minnesota moved up a spot to fourteen.

621
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: This neighborhood's not really nice though. None of these teams

622
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 2: am I super impressed with.

623
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: There are five and they would have been five and

624
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: one if they'd have pulled off that win on the

625
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: road the other and you know, to be fair, Kareem

626
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: Jackson came in and just blasted illegally Josh Dobbs and

627
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: forced to fumble and now he's been suspended four games

628
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: for that essentially won them the game.

629
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: And it's probably worth the suspension.

630
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: But for the Broncos, not for Kaream Jackson.

631
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: Like they're doing great things and I think he might

632
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: be coach of the year considering they haven't had Jefferson,

633
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: they lost Cousins, But that doesn't mean you're better than

634
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: the Broncos or Colts. Yeah, and I guess that tears

635
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: all about the same.

636
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

637
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: At thirteen, we find the Steelers holding Steady.

638
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: I think you're better than every team mentioned.

639
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: I think so too.

640
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean if Steelers played Denver to be

641
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: a close game. If they played the Colts would be

642
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: a close game. But I think they're better than those teams.

643
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: At twelve down a spot is Seattle.

644
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna keep falling. Their schedule is brutal. Next

645
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: four games are unbelieve brutal. They've san fran twice, Dallas

646
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: and Philly.

647
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, they mayn't win any of them. They might be

648
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: saying they might be six and eight in a month.

649
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: Rams is brutal for them because it could be a

650
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: five game losing screen.

651
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. At eleven up three spots is Buffalo. Well,

652
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: you beat the Jets, so everything's fixed.

653
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: But I would take them over every team.

654
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: A yeah, I get it, you know, no question I

655
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: get And yeah, they're still not to me back in

656
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: the playoff mix. Just yet. They got to beat it good.

657
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: They've got to beat one of the good teams left

658
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: on their schedule, and there are multiple good teams. Again,

659
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: just to remind people what's remaining now for Buffalo on

660
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: that schedule, it's not pretty.

661
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: I don't look at power ranks of what they have

662
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: to do to get in the playoffs. Just how good

663
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Speaker 2: are you right now? They're better than all the teams

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Speaker 2: we've talked about.

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Speaker 1: I understand that. Yeah, but come up coming for them

666
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: are the Eagles in Philadelphia.

667
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: They're bye a week late by they could use that

668
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: a month ago.

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Speaker 1: At Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you better get one of those two.

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Speaker 1: Dallas at home at the Chargers. Okay, that looks a

672
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Speaker 1: little less daunting.

673
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Speaker 2: I mean that's one. They're definitely a favorite at though.

674
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: And then New England at home. So they got to win.

675
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: They have to win at least one.

676
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: Think they get the last two at.

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Speaker 1: Least one of those games they have to win.

678
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: Oh to even be mathematically.

679
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: That just gets you to nine if you win the

680
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: last two last it's six and five right now.

681
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they awful ones they sent.

682
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: If they're going to get to ten, which you might

683
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: have to do this year in the AFC, means.

684
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Speaker 2: They're gonna have to get the Chiefs. They're gonna have

685
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Speaker 2: to get two of those games. Yeah. No, they're in

686
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: a brutal situation.

687
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Speaker 1: And then the problem then yeah, then you know, let's

688
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: say you beat the Eagles in Cowboys well, that's great, Chief,

689
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't help your your AFC record.

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Speaker 2: No, I pretty much eliminated them when they lost their

691
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: last loss. But they're playing well or they played well,

692
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: they played well this week, they lost last weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At ten are the the Texans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think got a Houston over Buffalo. They've had

696
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: a better year. I'd guarantee though, if they played right now,

697
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: the Bills.

698
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: Will the Bills will be favored regardless of where the

699
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: game is at.

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Speaker 2: They're still the Bills.

701
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: At nine is.

702
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: Cleveland, okay, but they've looked a teams.

703
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: I think they're going to go down.

704
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: I would put them behind both those teams.

705
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: At eight is Jacksonville. I would actually put the Browns

706
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: behind the Steelers at this point too. If they play

707
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: that game one hundred times that they just played up

708
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, the Steelers probably win sixty five of them.

709
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: I think. I think that. I just think that the

710
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: the field position played out exactly how Cleveland needed it to.

711
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: Win that game. Question they got early to Jacksonville's hurt.

712
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: Now that you have some tape of that of Dorian

713
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: Thompson Robinson and what they're going to do with him,

714
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: Cleveland's gonna have to They're going to really struggle to win.

715
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: Like oh, I think that opposing defensive coordinators are very

716
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: happy that the schoolers put out what they did, you know,

717
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: cleven like empty the kitchen saying.

718
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: They got nothing left. There's there's nothing left there, There's

719
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Speaker 1: nothing left that they can do. They got their one

720
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Speaker 1: win with him. I don't know if they win another

721
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: one with him. And I know the schedule's easy.

722
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were like Denver and Houston and things

723
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: that looked easy that aren't easy now aren't easy now. Yeah,

724
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what do the Jags though, Jaggs Houston Bills.

725
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: Well, I think that'll get figured out this week because well, yeah,

726
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: Jacksonville is at Houston.

727
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: I think people were too hard on Jacksonville for getting

728
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: crushed by the Niners. Yeah, Niners crushed people. Other than that,

729
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: they've won six out of seven, I think, yeah, and

730
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: they had a five game winning streak before that, I think.

731
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, since losing to Houston at home thirty one.

732
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: To fourteen, which doesn't look terrible either.

733
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: When they lose, they lose bad.

734
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: They volatile.

735
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, seven is Dallas.

736
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: They're the best team you've mentioned cool with that.

737
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Speaker 1: Six is Miami.

738
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Speaker 2: I have Dallas over Miami.

739
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: I think I would too.

740
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

741
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: Five is down three spots is Kansas City.

742
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: I think that's deserving.

743
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if I bang them that hard though,

744
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: for losing to the number one team.

745
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: I think who else is left? I'd have them over Baltimore.

746
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: I have I have.

747
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: I think they're still the best team in the AFC.

748
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too.

749
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: Four is San Francisco.

750
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Speaker 2: I would have been one. I know that the other

751
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: teams have better resumes, but I would have them one.

752
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: Three is Detroit. I can't go that high in Detroit.

753
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: Detroit would not want to play the Niners right now?

754
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: Nobody right now? Yeah, but Detroit. Really they're eight and

755
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: two right now. If Philadelphia loses one of these games.

756
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the road Detroit over Dallas.

757
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: The road through the the NFC Super Bowl, through the

758
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: NFC could go through Detroit.

759
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: They could. They're having a great year and they don't

760
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: have a lot of weaknesses. Uh.

761
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: Two is Baltimore.

762
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: They would be like five for me.

763
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: And then one is Philadelphia.

764
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: I understand that. I mean, I can't fight anyone for

765
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: putting the Eagles.

766
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Speaker 1: I would have Philadelphia San Francisco, Kansas City, and.

767
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: Then Baltimore put Case over Detroit. Yeah, yeah, Baltimore be five. Yeah,

768
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. I would have San Fran one.

769
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: But the team that won is one loss in just

770
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Speaker 2: one on Monday night football in Kansas City.

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00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: And Kansas City. It's hard to hard to yeah, hard

772
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: to Yeah. They Yes, they have not been super impressive

773
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: this year, but they've been winning.

774
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: They have been and he could be Coach of the Year.

775
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: Those guys never win Coach the Year because they're expected.

776
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're expected to do that a lot out of

777
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: everything he's been they're really piecing it together.

778
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: But if San Fran played the Niners or Philly played

779
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: the Niners right now, I'd pick the Niners. I picked

780
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 2: the Niners against anyone this week. Where's the game at

781
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: I don't care, I really don't.

782
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: I think it was in Philly.

783
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: I would pick Philadelphia, Okay, they would probably be favored

784
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: by It could be like last night, probably like a

785
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: two to two and a half time game, you know,

786
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: and if probably the opposite, it was in San Fran,

787
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: But I would pick them either way, even in Casey.

788
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: I just think they're a juggernaut.

789
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: Right now there's seven and three Juggernaut, So we'll see that.

790
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: That is Eric at Holmes Power Rankings through eleven weeks,

791
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: week twelve now right twelve, heading into week.

792
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 2: Twelve, heading into week twelve.

793
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: Correct that there's so many teams on buys this week.

794
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: It's so Steelers have played ten and they had their buys. Yeah,

795
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: we're going into twelve.

796
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't I can't argue greatly with that.

797
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: At the top was a little, the middle was kind

798
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: of okay, I get it, and in the bottoms had

799
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: the bottom is the bottom.

800
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: Right, I mean the middle so hard? I mean Houston

801
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: versus Cleveland verse. Yeah, you know, Steelers.

802
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: The nice thing is all that stuff will get sorted

803
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: out here. But in the next few weeks as still

804
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: a lot of football have to play, a lot of

805
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: football have to play. And we got a good WEEKI

806
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: games too.

807
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

808
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but we're gonna get to another break. He is

809
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lelly. You're listening to the drive.

810
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Speaker 1: You're on Steelers Nation Radio. We will be back to

811
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812
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818
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Speaker 1: And it is that time of the year, Matt. It

819
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: is Black Friday coming up here, so you might want

820
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: to hit the shop dot Steelers dot com and the.

821
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Speaker 2: Lovely Christmas gift or holiday gift absolutely resolutely get on that.

822
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: You buy one for yourself by one for Matt.

823
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: So uh, Matt, I was looking here on the FTN

824
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: Fantasy dot com. We always talk about d v o A.

825
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: The Steelers right now are eleventh in the league in

826
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: d v o A. Right right ahead of them are

827
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: those Philadelphia Eagles. Really they're that low, They're number ten.

828
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: It hasn't been clean, but it's only one loss for them.

829
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: So Aaron Schatz, who does DVOA for them, did it

830
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: for football siders before wrote a story here. You must

831
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: be getting a lot of questions like that, Why why

832
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: doesn't DVOA like philadelphiaor why are Philadelphia and Pittsburgh so

833
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: close in DVOA.

834
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure turnovers have something to do with it.

835
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Here's what he writes about, why does why does DVOA

836
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: like Pittsburgh. Here's what he has to say. Matt Canada

837
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: got fired as a Steelers offensive coordinator this morning because

838
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: the Steelers offense looks terrible. They're currently ranked twenty eighth

839
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL at just sixteen point six points per game.

840
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: The last straw was seventy seven that passing yards in

841
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: a thirteen ten loss to Cleveland, where the defense clearly

842
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: play well enough to win the game. And yet look

843
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: down and you'll see the Steelers are slightly above average

844
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: and offensive DVA they ranked fourteenth.

845
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't make any sense, Aaron.

846
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: What in the hell is DVOA smoking. I'm not going

847
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: to pretend that the Steelers offense look looks good, and

848
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: what I'm about to write isn't apologetic for Matt Canada's

849
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: scheme problems. He talks about some play action stuff there,

850
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 1: the basics stats don't look good. The Steelers ranked twenty

851
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: eighth in yards per play and twenty third and success rate.

852
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: They're better running than passing, certainly, so I think the

853
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: criticism of Kenny Pickett makes sense. The Steelers ranked seventh

854
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: in run offense right now, primarily because of Jaylen Warm

855
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: but twentieth and passing.

856
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: Okay, twentieth and passing my chocks and people.

857
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are three main reasons why the offensive DVA

858
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: likes the Steelers offense much more than the other metrics.

859
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: Number one, the average Steeler drive through Week ten started

860
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: at the twenty six point four yard line that ranked

861
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: thirty first in the NFL. They have to go farther

862
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: this score than almost any other team that matters.

863
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: All their turnovers. You would think you'd have better starting

864
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: field vis but it hasn't worked out that way.

865
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Speaker 1: The Steelers avoid turnovers. It's number two. The Steelers avoid turnovers.

866
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: They have the fewest turnovers in the league. Although the

867
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: new version of DVA this year gives turnovers a smaller

868
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: penalty than the older version, they still matter and avoiding

869
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: turnovers is a good thing. They're not even Yeah, they're

870
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: not even weighted as heavily as they have been in

871
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: the past, but they're still st important. And three, the

872
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: biggest issue is the schedule. There you go as as

873
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: as bad as Canada has been criticized. It seems insane

874
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: for me to fire him after a game where the

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00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: Steelers couldn't score against the Cleveland Browns. Have you seen

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00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns against the rest of the year. They're

877
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: killing every offense on the next schedule, except for some

878
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: reason Indianapolis. Well, that game was in Indianapolis. In the

879
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: first ten games of the season, the average defensive DVA

880
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh's opponent was minus eight point five.

881
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: If this that's really good.

882
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: If the season ended today, that would be the third

883
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: toughest offensive strength of schedule in DVOA history history, trailing

884
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: only the nineteen eighty two Buccaneers. We were minus ten

885
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: point two and nine strike games and the two thousand

886
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: and four Browns were minus eight point seven. They're not

887
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: that far off of that. Half of Pittsburgh games have

888
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: come against top eight defense is, which are really top

889
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: seven defenses if you don't consider the Steelers themselves.

890
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: Of the thirty one you could play, they're the seven toughest.

891
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, things get easier for the Steelers. Just an average

892
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: offensive strength of schedule for the remainder of the year,

893
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: it's very likely that the offense will look better no

894
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: matter what and no matter what, and people will attribute

895
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: it to the offensive coordinator change, even if Kenny Pickett

896
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: isn't really playing any better in the coordinator change hasn't

897
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: really changed things.

898
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: We said the exact same thing.

899
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hadn't read this yet. I'm reading this for

900
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: the first time right now, Yeah, and saying the exact.

901
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: Same thing, that the offense does look better because they're

902
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: going to play worse teams.

903
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: Incidentally, the Bengals are currently on track to end the

904
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: season with an offensive schedule strength of minus seven point eight,

905
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: which would be also be the third toughest effort. They

906
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: play all the same teams. Their remaining opponents have an

907
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: average defensive DVA of minus ten point nine.

908
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: The one thing that hurts the Bengals is they play

909
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: the Steelers twice. Where it helps the Steelers that they

910
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: play the Bengals because their defense is bat Yeah.

911
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: Right now, there's a gap of fourteen places between the

912
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: Steelers rank and offensive DVOA and points per game? Is

913
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: that the biggest of all time? Nope, not even close.

914
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: Thirteen different teams since nineteen eighty one have had a

915
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: larger gap between those two metrics, led by the nineteen

916
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: ninety six Kansas City Chiefs are ranked twenty fourth in

917
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: points per game, but all the way up at fifth

918
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: place in offensive DVA. I went back and looked at at.

919
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: Those thirties points per game.

920
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went back and looked at those thirteen teams.

921
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: Some of them are similar to the Steelers. Some of

922
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: them had a gap for totally different reasons. Here's a

923
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: breakdown of the top four teams that were in a

924
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: similar situation to the Steelers. The ninety six Kansas City Chiefs,

925
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: which that was Marty Schottenheimer. They had Steve Bono at quarterback.

926
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: They still have Marcus Allen. Yeah, ran the ball a

927
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: lot momuses on the team, and they were second in

928
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: the second in the league and fewest turnovers, second fewest

929
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: turnovers in the league, second in the in the league

930
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: in offensive strength to schedule, the Chiefs were much better

931
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: running team than a passing team with Marcus Allen leading them.

932
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: They were number two in run offense run the DVOA,

933
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: which if the Steelers continue to run the ball like

934
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: they have been running it, that's where they're going to finish.

935
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: This was the one time where DVOA was definitely more

936
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: predictive than points score because the Chiefs rebounded to fifth

937
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: in the league in scoring points in nineteen ninety seven,

938
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: So they went from being way down at the end

939
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: of it, at the bottom, and then to the top.

940
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: See bono. Yeah, the two thousand and three Jets had

941
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: a good offense and terrible defense. They were thirty first

942
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: in DVA on defense, but they played at a very

943
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: slow pace, running fewer plays than other teams. The Jets

944
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: were second in the league and the fewest turnovers and

945
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: played the toughest schedule of opposing defenses. Meanwhile, their defense

946
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: was twenty eighth and takeaways and played an easy schedule

947
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: of offenses. So the Steelers, don't they They're not that.

948
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: No, No, it's a different four, except they played a

949
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: lot of tough defense.

950
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the eighty one Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I mean, this

951
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: is how far DVA knows back. You're looking at the

952
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight Dolphins as another team that actually

953
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: they were ranked better in pass defense than they didn't

954
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: run offense. Which one would you rather be good at.

955
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: Pass defense or run defense?

956
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: No, run offense or pass passing offense. You got be

957
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: able to run, you'd better be able to pass. The

958
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: ball than run it.

959
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Still yeah, even in today's.

960
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: NFL, the way the game is now being played, where

961
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: you score twenty four points, you're probably going to win

962
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: most games.

963
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, But inevitably some game the ball is going to

964
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: bounce goofy, and you wouldn't be out of it. Yeah.

965
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: So, I mean the Steelers are kind of on an

966
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: historic pace here right now.

967
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: Well, there's certainly in a historic pace of how difficult

968
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: a schedule they've had for the Steeler own.

969
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's the records of some of these teams,

970
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: so right, the biggest gap between offensive DVOA and penalty

971
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: points per game. The ninety six Chiefs were number one.

972
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: They finished nine and seven. The two thousand and three

973
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: Jets finished six and ten, the eighty one Buccaneers nine

974
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: and seven, the two thousand and eight Dolphins eleven and five. Yeah,

975
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: you had the eighty one Buffalo Bills ten and six.

976
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: So there is you know, there are some ways to

977
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: get to the two thousand. The twenty eleven Steelers were

978
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: in a similar spot. They're they're on this list as well.

979
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: They finished twelve and four with that offense. This year,

980
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, the Steelers.

981
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: Offense was better than their points per game. Yes, the

982
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: DVA was higher.

983
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

984
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: Interesting. So yeah, it's it's it's makes all things we've

985
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: been saying and just can't stress enough how hard the

986
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 2: defenses they've played are. I mean, fifty schedule has been

987
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: against the best defense.

988
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, the top seven teams in DVOA defensive DVOA and.

989
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: Been against number one or two.

990
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

991
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: And to be honest, I think the Niners. I think

992
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: Niners are seven. Yeah, because they had a stretch in

993
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: the middle there that was worse. But if you played

994
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: them now or the in week one, I think they'd

995
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 2: be right there with the Ravens.

996
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: In the rounds.

997
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

998
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: Going into the season they were number one, right.

999
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: Like, I bet they end up better than seventh too.

1000
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: And it's also I think that.

1001
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: And you don't have those teams remaining on your schedule

1002
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: other than a game in week say eighteen against Baltimore.

1003
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the chart that I put out showing how

1004
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: hard it is, I also put one out going forward. Well,

1005
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 2: they played it's almost honestly kind of like how last

1006
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 2: season went post by that it's not easy. But they're

1007
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: in the bottom left quadrant of offenses and defenses. You

1008
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: know that it's in the box that says easy offenses,

1009
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: easy defenses that they're going to play.

1010
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and their defense is trending in the right direction

1011
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: as well.

1012
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the run game keeps getting better.

1013
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I expect more wins.

1014
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: Right, And I don't know, and poor Macana is going

1015
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: to hear about well, it's all about post Canada. Well,

1016
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that coordinators put up thirty in Cleveland either. Yeah,

1017
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, nobody has. Nobody has.

1018
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been nice to put up fourteen.

1019
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: Oh, no question. Yeah, it was our things wrong, absolutely.

1020
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see that's why they played the complete

1021
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: more passes. If they do that, they'll be fine.

1022
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1023
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: Anyways, that's going to do it for today show, Matt

1024
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: and I again, we'll be back tomorrow. That will be

1025
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,959
Speaker 1: our final show for this week. So that one's gonna

1026
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: have to hold up for a while. But that was

1027
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: gonna have to be.

1028
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: Outstanding eight plus they usually are.

1029
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, it is what it is.

1030
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: But I know you'll bring your A game. I'll bring

1031
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: my usual C game and we'll be fine.

1032
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: I need more homework to do. Feel better about the

1033
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: Bengals early in the week for me to be wrapping

1034
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: my head around the opponent.

1035
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: We will continue to do that as as weich, but

1036
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: we only have two more hours left to talk about them.

1037
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: So anyways, we uh well. Week twelve is in the books.

1038
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: Week thirteen now standing in the in the way here.

1039
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: It's three games on Thursday, so we'll be ready for those.

1040
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: But for my part, diner Matt Williamson for Justin Miller

1041
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: here on site keeping us on the air, I am

1042
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: Dale Lelly. We thank you for listening to this edition

1043
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio