Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikf Daily with Meet
Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody, recording back in the home bunker.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that I'm going to start off the
Speaker 1: show with this yet again. Over the weekend, as you
Speaker 1: all already know, there was another mass shooting in Texas,
Speaker 1: which is now I'm starting to believe this is anecdotal,
Speaker 1: but it has to be the number one state in
Speaker 1: the country for mass shootings to occur. This one now
Speaker 1: happened at a mall in Dallas, and you know, we're
Speaker 1: outside of Dallas and nine people are dead, and you
Speaker 1: know Republicans are not going to do a fucking thing
Speaker 1: about it. It is. It's, folks. At this point, it's
Speaker 1: so hard to have sustained outrage at where Republicans have
Speaker 1: forced America. We are being held hostage by the Republican Party.
Speaker 1: Somebody put up on social media that we need to
Speaker 1: stop referring to these as mass shootings and call them
Speaker 1: Republican endorsed killings, because at this point, that's what the
Speaker 1: fuck they are, right, because there is a way to
Speaker 1: stop it, right it is.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: It's incredible to me that these people have all the
Speaker 1: tools to be able to stop mass killings, mass killings
Speaker 1: of our children, mass killings of men and women, mass
Speaker 1: killings of people, and they are choosing every single day
Speaker 1: not to I can't imagine having the power to actually
Speaker 1: do good and say yeah, fuck it, and continue to
Speaker 1: watch people run for their lives, children covered in fucking blood,
Speaker 1: bodies blown to bits, not because you're covering war, but
Speaker 1: because you decided to go to the mall on the
Speaker 1: wrong fucking day and come face to face with a
Speaker 1: neo Nazi sympathizer, a person who has social on all
Speaker 1: of social media, uh themselves in Nazi attire, tattoos and
Speaker 1: everything uh uh aligned with Nazism and fascism, and essentially
Speaker 1: the Republican Party right. So again, to think that this
Speaker 1: policy driven insurrection that has continued to take shape across
Speaker 1: the country, the hatred direct towards trans people, the hatred
Speaker 1: directed towards Black people, the hatred directed towards Asian people,
Speaker 1: uh and Latino people in this country that continues to
Speaker 1: be broadcast uninterrupted, right, not regulated, and think that there
Speaker 1: isn't going to be these continual outcomes when you have
Speaker 1: guns that are so readily available and not even that
Speaker 1: Texas is going even further. You don't need a license,
Speaker 1: you don't need training, you don't need anything. You can
Speaker 1: just walk into any fucking store, pick up a gun,
Speaker 1: and start shooting. Right, So that is not even about
Speaker 1: having responsible, responsible gun ownership. They don't care if you're
Speaker 1: responsible or not. They just want you to kill. So
Speaker 1: the Republican Party is just one big killing machine, that's
Speaker 1: what they are. And you know, for those people who
Speaker 1: are like, well, you know the shooter who has been
Speaker 1: identified as Marcillo Garcia, Folks say, well, that's a you know,
Speaker 1: Hispanic sounding name. How could that person be a white supremacist. Well,
Speaker 1: if only we taught you know, education, and we taught
Speaker 1: about white supremacy, and we taught about colonization, and we
Speaker 1: taught about colorism. Right there are white Hispanics, dear friends,
Speaker 1: those that align themselves with whiteness more than anything else.
Speaker 1: Right there are euro right Hispanics, And so white supremacy,
Speaker 1: sadly is not just in and of itself held within
Speaker 1: the white community. Ideas of colorism and anti blackness and
Speaker 1: anti everything that is not white centric, sadly is spread
Speaker 1: around the world and looks differently. You know, it shows
Speaker 1: up in Asia with people not wanting to be dark there, right.
Speaker 1: It shows up in Africa with the pie production of
Speaker 1: bleaching creams. It shows up in not hiring people, It
Speaker 1: shows up in a lot of ways. It shows up
Speaker 1: at all the karenisms of calling the cops on everyone
Speaker 1: and anything right that is in white. So I want
Speaker 1: people to get it out of your mind that you
Speaker 1: need to be white right technically using quotation marks in
Speaker 1: order to be a white supremaist. So once again the
Speaker 1: weapon of choice in AR fifteen. And this is just
Speaker 1: par for the course of what it means to live
Speaker 1: in America. And I will say this, folks, I personally
Speaker 1: am getting to a place where I am losing the
Speaker 1: desire to care about what is happening in Texas and Florida.
Speaker 1: My whole goal right now is that they're bullshit. Is
Speaker 1: not nationalized. That's it, because at this point in time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, these fucking places being run by these NRA henchmen,
Speaker 1: their loss causes for generations, right and until they drive
Speaker 1: all economic viability out of their state because of the
Speaker 1: defunding that they're doing to libraries, to education and creating
Speaker 1: incredibly unsafe environments, until they realize that that is not
Speaker 1: a economic generator for that state. This is going to continue.
Speaker 1: I just don't want the shit nationalized because I didn't
Speaker 1: choose to live in Texas. I didn't choose to live
Speaker 1: in Florida. And I know that that is coming from
Speaker 1: a very elitist, geographically elitist place, because people do not
Speaker 1: have them means to just pick up and move right.
Speaker 1: But I have to focus my energy on what can
Speaker 1: be done, and what can be done is that that
Speaker 1: shit stays contained in those crazy fucking states, and that
Speaker 1: we do as much work as possible to wake people
Speaker 1: up to what they are intending to nationalize rite and
Speaker 1: fight back with everything that we fucking have, because I
Speaker 1: don't want America to look like the state of Texas
Speaker 1: and the state of Florida and the state of Tennessee.
Speaker 1: And the only way that we stop that is by
Speaker 1: taking over legislatures at the state, local, and federal level,
Speaker 1: making it our fucking jobs because our lives depend on it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how else to say this that is
Speaker 1: not hyperbolic. Any one of us could be at a mall,
Speaker 1: a grocery store, a movie theater, walking down the street
Speaker 1: at a parade, at a concert, in a synagogue, at
Speaker 1: a church, at a mosque at any given time, be
Speaker 1: in the right place at the absolute wrong time and
Speaker 1: become the next hashtag, become the next family to join
Speaker 1: a group that you don't want to join, which is
Speaker 1: the family of those that have been affected by gun violence.
Speaker 1: But at this point we have all been indirectly affected traumatized.
Speaker 1: So you know, folks, I just have to say that.
Speaker 1: You know, as I do, it becomes more and more
Speaker 1: critical critical for you to identify the ways in which
Speaker 1: you are tending to yourself, to your emotional, mental, and
Speaker 1: physical well being on a daily basis. It is not
Speaker 1: something that can be put off for the weekend. It
Speaker 1: is not a luxury. In order to be able to
Speaker 1: deal and move with this can consistent trauma and terrorism,
Speaker 1: you have got to be able to ground yourself in
Speaker 1: good right, in spirit, in God, if that is your choice,
Speaker 1: in nature, in caring for others, in doing something every
Speaker 1: single day beginning and end, to create the foundation that
Speaker 1: allows you to be able to go on. Because the
Speaker 1: callousness that Republicans want around us to just become numb
Speaker 1: to this can't be the way, right, So we have
Speaker 1: to continue to tend to our strength rite an emotional
Speaker 1: and mental wherewithal to be able to continue fighting. Coming
Speaker 1: up next, dear friends, my conversation with Annie wu Henry,
Speaker 1: who is a social media and digital strategist with expertise
Speaker 1: in progress of organizations and campaigns. She was most recently
Speaker 1: the social media producer for the now Senator John Fetterman's
Speaker 1: very successful campaign in Pennsylvania, and so we are going
Speaker 1: to talk to her about what the Democrats can do
Speaker 1: and use as it pertains to our next selection cycle
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four and social media folks, I am
Speaker 1: really happy to welcome to OKF Daily for the very
Speaker 1: first time, Annie wu Henry, who is a social media
Speaker 1: and digital strategist with expertise in progressive organizations and campaigns,
Speaker 1: who most recently was a social media producer for John
Speaker 1: Fetterman's successful Senate campaign in Pennsylvania, which you had a
Speaker 1: badass profile in the New York Times over so congrats
Speaker 1: on that. And is now the newest endeavor that you
Speaker 1: have is as creative director for AAPI Victory Fund, which
Speaker 1: we are a fan of. So welcome to OKF.
Speaker 3: Heyk GA super excited to chat.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk first of all, Bravo, because
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that you were posting during the
Speaker 1: John Fetterman's campaign was absolutely brilliant. So I want to
Speaker 1: talk first about how you got into doing social media
Speaker 1: work and why you think it's so integral to politics
Speaker 1: as we understand it nowadays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, first of all, I want to say
Speaker 2: that the campaign one of the best hearts about it.
Speaker 2: Obviously we had the we won, but the team overall
Speaker 2: was just so so good and such an honor for
Speaker 2: me to be able to get to work with. I know,
Speaker 2: I've you know, people like some of the stuff I did,
Speaker 2: but there was also there were so many people that
Speaker 2: contributed in different ways as well as like even some
Speaker 2: of the social media so it wasn't just me. So
Speaker 2: much of how we were able to react quickly and
Speaker 2: be so engaged in what was happening was because there
Speaker 2: were there were many of us and many of us
Speaker 2: paying attention, many of us that would would give ideas
Speaker 2: and so much of the time, you know, an idea
Speaker 2: would be thrown out there or a concept, and then
Speaker 2: other people would chime in and then by the end
Speaker 2: we we had such a better result than if it
Speaker 2: was just the original idea or just if one person
Speaker 2: had worked on it. So I always just I mean,
Speaker 2: I appreciate people saying nice things about about my work.
Speaker 3: It's very weird for me still, I get like, really.
Speaker 1: Awkward, you're a good team playing, but I just I.
Speaker 2: Just think it's so important and I understand that like
Speaker 2: ticked off and young people and some of this stuff
Speaker 2: is a little a little flashy and fun for people
Speaker 2: right now and it's newer, but like there are you know,
Speaker 2: if I wouldn't have had a New York Times profile,
Speaker 2: which like.
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 2: Kind of like just a fluke, Like it's not like
Speaker 2: I knew that was gonna happen. I had a tweet
Speaker 2: that went viral about me, and a freelance writer saw
Speaker 2: it and was inspired by it and reached out, and
Speaker 2: I happened to check my dms, which I'm not as
Speaker 2: great as I should be about that, and you know,
Speaker 2: we it happened. But if I wouldn't have, if that
Speaker 2: wouldn't have those events wouldn't have happened. My work would
Speaker 2: have still been the same. And there's so many people
Speaker 2: that that didn't happen to them, and their work was.
Speaker 3: Just as important. And just as impactful.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to talk about TikTok because you know,
Speaker 1: one as you know I'm sure, is that uh TikTok
Speaker 1: has been under the spotlight in a lot of ways
Speaker 1: because of being owned by China, and you know how
Speaker 1: they can take in information about you and be able
Speaker 1: to utilize a lot of the different kind of what
Speaker 1: is it like, you know, different profiles that you can
Speaker 1: put up to take your identity blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Because honestly, if you ask me, I don't see how
Speaker 1: TikTok is any more dangerous than what Facebook does, than
Speaker 1: what Twitter does, than any other of those platforms, except
Speaker 1: for the fact that it's owned by a foreign entity.
Speaker 1: But in terms of TikTok, for the longest time, right
Speaker 1: it has been looked at as the site for dance
Speaker 1: right dance routines, the site for you know, silliness, and
Speaker 1: what I think the Fetterman campaign and then others did
Speaker 1: during that time would showcase how important it is to
Speaker 1: be able to utilize TikTok and the outlets where younger
Speaker 1: voters are to engage them in the process. And so
Speaker 1: I want to give you the opportunity to talk about
Speaker 1: the power of these platforms and how, on one hand
Speaker 1: they have been demeaned in a lot of ways as
Speaker 1: something not to pay attention to. And I, as somebody
Speaker 1: who has been in politics for a long time, I
Speaker 1: didn't get on TikTok until a year ago. And I
Speaker 1: had to be like, you know, beaten over the head
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways to get onto TikTok because
Speaker 1: I usually feel like I'm a politico. I don't dance,
Speaker 1: I don't saying I don't do any of these things.
Speaker 1: How am I going to utilize this platform? And I
Speaker 1: have found it to be really really helpful in refining
Speaker 1: my messaging so that it can get to audiences in
Speaker 1: sixty seconds. So can you talk to kind of the
Speaker 1: importance of that platform and politics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I also am realizing that I didn't
Speaker 2: answer your first question, but yeah, I mean, I it
Speaker 2: pairs nicely together because actually I've been online for you know,
Speaker 2: like a lot of people in my generation, for a
Speaker 2: lot of my life, more than generations before, just because
Speaker 2: it's been around for longer during my lifetime. And I
Speaker 2: had started, you know, on social media just like a
Speaker 2: normal person in middle and in middle school, beginning of
Speaker 2: high school, getting a Facebook and getting on Instagram and
Speaker 2: think and getting a Twitter account and just sharing about
Speaker 2: connecting with people, sharing about what I was doing, connecting
Speaker 2: with friends, talking about things I cared about or things
Speaker 2: that I was thinking about.
Speaker 3: And I think as.
Speaker 2: Social media has evolved, as I got involved in politics,
Speaker 2: as I studied journalism and different things like, I was
Speaker 2: always interested in how these platforms could be utilized in
Speaker 2: those spaces, could be utilized in news, could be utilized
Speaker 2: in like you know, direct political work, but also just
Speaker 2: also how young people were utilizing them themselves, because that
Speaker 2: is so much of where they're at. That's where they
Speaker 2: get their information, that's where they connect with friends. So
Speaker 2: many people don't exchange numbers anymore.
Speaker 3: You just exchange.
Speaker 2: Instagram handles, and then if you do want to make
Speaker 2: plans and reach out, you either DM them or then
Speaker 2: you DM and you switch to text. But that's so
Speaker 2: much of how you know, young people communicate and just
Speaker 2: stay informed. And so I think as things like TikTok
Speaker 2: have evolved, and I think it's really important that I've
Speaker 2: because of kind of the association of the work I've
Speaker 2: done on TikTok. I think a lot of people think
Speaker 2: that I assume that that's that's it, TikTok is the
Speaker 2: most whatever, and I don't think. I just don't think
Speaker 2: that's the case, because, you know, the way we use
Speaker 2: Instagram now, it's not the same way used it five
Speaker 2: years ago. It's not the same way we used it
Speaker 2: when it came out, and I think TikTok is probably
Speaker 2: going to be the same way, depending on you know,
Speaker 2: obviously what happens from a government and regulation standpoint, but
Speaker 2: also just as the nature of the Internet and the
Speaker 2: digital space evolves, we need to evolve with it. I
Speaker 2: think beginning of social media eras was so filtered. When
Speaker 2: Instagram first started, it was like this amateur photography app
Speaker 2: and they had these filters and people try to get
Speaker 2: really artsy with like you know, like I remember taking
Speaker 2: a picture of like my ceiling fan in high school,
Speaker 2: like putting a filter on, being like this is so cool.
Speaker 2: And then it like hit an era of like influencers
Speaker 2: in early i'd say, like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, and fourteen,
Speaker 2: when influencers started to becoming a thing, but it was
Speaker 2: really curated and it was so aesthetic and people would
Speaker 2: have themes on their pages. Then as those years went
Speaker 2: on and everything was really filtered and edited and like perfect.
Speaker 3: Life, and then I think we switched to this era of.
Speaker 2: Then people don't want that because that's not how life is.
Speaker 2: And so much of TikTok's emerging in that era I
Speaker 2: think was the authenticity of the platform and of how
Speaker 2: gen Z uses it, of just having a thought or
Speaker 2: having an idea, or seeing a dance or seeing a
Speaker 2: trend and pulling out their phone and doing it and
Speaker 2: pressing posts and not overthinking it in those ways. And
Speaker 2: so I think the way in which, you know, I
Speaker 2: think it's powerful is it's it can show more of
Speaker 2: that real side, and I think it comes off as
Speaker 2: more authentic.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to take our TV ads, which were
Speaker 2: so well done, and some of our are edited, you know,
Speaker 2: high resolution videos that we would take it events or
Speaker 2: with validators. They were so well done and they were
Speaker 2: great to share on Twitter and Instagram and.
Speaker 3: Put things on TV.
Speaker 2: But the way we consume content on TikTok, I didn't
Speaker 2: want to put just like a really edited, beautiful video
Speaker 2: because that's not what people are looking for there so
Speaker 2: it was it's a lot more scrappy, it's a lot
Speaker 2: more you know, it's still edited and these videos are
Speaker 2: still put together in different ways, and obviously there's still messages,
Speaker 2: messages and purposes of why you're you're sharing things and
Speaker 2: what you're trying to get across. But I think the
Speaker 2: beauty of TikTok and how I like to use it
Speaker 2: in those ways is just being able to show that
Speaker 2: more authentic side that sometimes I think on other platforms
Speaker 2: you can you can't highlights as much, you know, Twitter,
Speaker 2: while you can use some videos and pictures and you
Speaker 2: can meme and different things like it is still very
Speaker 2: just like text oriented and whatever in videos or just
Speaker 2: you can you can do more. It's it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what this if there's a saying for it,
Speaker 2: but like a pictures worth a thousand words and what's
Speaker 2: a video?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so there's so much you can do with it.
Speaker 2: There's subtle things, there's so much humor, there's so much fun,
Speaker 2: so much of what myself but also again that the
Speaker 2: team as a whole on the campaign tried to do
Speaker 2: was have some fun with it, and people with the
Speaker 2: political kind of world we've lived in these last few years.
Speaker 2: I think it's really tiring and it's really hard, and
Speaker 2: these issues that we are fighting people that were it's
Speaker 2: really heavy and it's really exhausting. And I think politics,
Speaker 2: while we need it and it's important and we can't stop,
Speaker 2: we can do things in ways that aren't are fun.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's funny because in your description right
Speaker 1: of the differences between Instagram and TikTok, it's kind of
Speaker 1: how I'm I think about politics, right. I think about
Speaker 1: those TV ads like you were saying, and politics and
Speaker 1: the presentation of candidates was always in that Instagram kind
Speaker 1: of description. Here's this polished person. Here is this like
Speaker 1: together entity that I'm going to sell to you like
Speaker 1: a box of Kelloggs in a lot of ways, and
Speaker 1: then you know our politics, I think, for better or
Speaker 1: for worse in a lot of ways, for worse because
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. The scrubbed presentation of political figures has
Speaker 1: changed because of Donald Trump in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: I think that Barack Obama was super relatable. People liked him,
Speaker 1: you know, he had that you know, genuine charisma and character.
Speaker 1: So for him, social media was like an extension of himself, right,
Speaker 1: It's just like let us put him on these different mediums.
Speaker 1: I think that using it, Like, if the purpose of
Speaker 1: TikTok is authenticity, how do you see other politicians being
Speaker 1: able to utilize this site when politics has kind of
Speaker 1: moved again in some instances for worse, into this kind
Speaker 1: of mucky place. Right, to be able to present themselves
Speaker 1: in an authentic way while also to hold the integrity
Speaker 1: of what of what politics was supposed to be or
Speaker 1: is supposed to be.
Speaker 2: I mean kind of what you were getting out with
Speaker 2: Trump And what we do need to acknowledge is that
Speaker 2: so much of what did appeal to hit to apparently
Speaker 2: a bunch of people. But some of what did appeal
Speaker 2: of him was that he wasn't from you know, politics,
Speaker 2: and he was this outsider and he was and I think,
Speaker 2: you know, on the other side of things, and just
Speaker 2: in general, a push that a lot of people do
Speaker 2: want is more real people. And I wouldn't say Donald
Speaker 2: Trump's real, That's why that comes into but like they
Speaker 2: want more real people that aren't these polished people that
Speaker 2: have grown up with money and their dads were senators
Speaker 2: and all like this like very establishment vibe. They want
Speaker 2: you know, people who are working class. They want people
Speaker 2: who understand the issues because they've experienced them. And we've
Speaker 2: seen a shift in you know, again also who were
Speaker 2: electing and the amount of people that are from you know,
Speaker 2: non traditional weren't just lawyers or weren't just you know,
Speaker 2: in government in some way or another being in a
Speaker 2: voice in politics, which I think is so needed, especially
Speaker 2: when we talk about movement politics. And so I think
Speaker 2: that this is just kind of like you said, similarly
Speaker 2: with Obama, which obviously social media was much different back
Speaker 2: in his era, and I'd be interesting to see if
Speaker 2: he was going to be in office how that would
Speaker 2: be used today with him and who he is and
Speaker 2: obviously Michelle and the kids and all of that. But
Speaker 2: I think it can be an extension and ideally we
Speaker 2: have people and politicians that are more real, that are
Speaker 2: more willing to say things how they are, say things
Speaker 2: what they think without it being you know, it can
Speaker 2: still be professional, but it can be honest, and it
Speaker 2: can feel honest, and it can feel more authentic. And
Speaker 2: I think you know a lot of people, and she's
Speaker 2: obviously a younger, working class politician like that is very
Speaker 2: known AOC A lot of people look at her her
Speaker 2: use of social media, which again is from being a
Speaker 2: bit more digitally native, but that I don't think the
Speaker 2: way she uses it is unprofessional, but it still feels
Speaker 2: really real, and it still feels like a congressman, because
Speaker 2: a congress person. They're just at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: they're just people. And I think, yep, because of media
Speaker 2: and because of just everything being so saturated right now,
Speaker 2: and it will continue to be like these figures and
Speaker 2: while we can respect their positions and their levels of power,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, they are also people,
Speaker 2: and they are citizens, and they are people that are
Speaker 2: have a job, and their job is to work for us.
Speaker 2: And I think so much of the time we put
Speaker 2: them in these like elevated kind of like iron idealists,
Speaker 2: sick positions in our brains of like and and then
Speaker 2: they they and the way that for so long politicians
Speaker 2: have been presented of like they it's them, and then
Speaker 2: it's us, and it shouldn't be them in us, it's
Speaker 2: all of us together.
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to like rip off Bernie, but I.
Speaker 2: Like call myself but like they are they are people
Speaker 2: like us, and so they I feel like them doing
Speaker 2: communication and whether and that's using social media because that's
Speaker 2: what people do and that's how people communicate in these days.
Speaker 2: That feels like you are one of us, and you're
Speaker 2: not talking down, you're talking with and so much of
Speaker 2: you know, people who allow their phones on their Instagram
Speaker 2: stories or on a live or on TikTok or whatever.
Speaker 3: It feels more like that.
Speaker 2: It feels more I think, while there's still the level
Speaker 2: of respect and the understanding of power, it feels more level.
Speaker 2: And that is I think why. Also, young people, particularly
Speaker 2: who don't align with any like more things than any
Speaker 2: other generation. They are less like I'm a democrat or
Speaker 2: I'm a publican. They're just more of like, this is
Speaker 2: what I believe, and I want people who believe those things.
Speaker 2: They're so less tied to those those specific categories and
Speaker 2: boxes and established things that I think in the past
Speaker 2: we've held to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that Generation Z, for me, like many folks,
Speaker 1: is a really interesting and kind of exciting generation to watch.
Speaker 1: I think about what they were able to do in
Speaker 1: Tennessee with the Tennessee three and the you know and
Speaker 1: and marching on the state capitol and walking out of
Speaker 1: schools that they have done to protest gun violence and
Speaker 1: the fact that they are on the front lines of
Speaker 1: mass shootings, right, and I wonder, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: my last question for you is, what do you see
Speaker 1: as Generation Z enters into the workforce, enters into all
Speaker 1: of the different rungs of various industries. How do you
Speaker 1: see this generation taking shape and shifting how we utilize
Speaker 1: and how we see social media kind of moving forward?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think.
Speaker 2: It's it's so native to how gen Z thinks, and
Speaker 2: you know, most I'm a sillennial. I'm kind of in
Speaker 2: the middle, but just being so digitally native and thinking
Speaker 2: kind of of of that area of things.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: Moving forward and how people are going to communicate, it's
Speaker 2: not just going to be gen Z, though, I think
Speaker 2: gen Z is leaning the way like how TikTok it
Speaker 2: started out as like you said at the beginning of
Speaker 2: this conversation, it started out as a way in which
Speaker 2: young people were expressing themselves, largely young people. But now,
Speaker 2: I mean the most the biggest demographic on TikTok is
Speaker 2: actually people in like their twenties to thirties, and so
Speaker 2: it's expanding and you know, as Gen X and millennials
Speaker 2: and people like, everyone's just going to be getting older,
Speaker 2: and there's gonna be Gen Alfha soon that like already
Speaker 2: has phones and already knows how to use it. And
Speaker 2: I don't know what the exact years are, but soon
Speaker 2: it will be like most Gen zs are in you know,
Speaker 2: end of high school, college, soon it will be you know,
Speaker 2: the next generation. And so I think, you know, young
Speaker 2: people naturally are going to be more adaptive to these
Speaker 2: different emerging platforms or spaces, just because they aren't set
Speaker 2: in certain ways of doing things or whatever. But I
Speaker 2: do think it's it's expanding beyond just young people. I
Speaker 2: think also young people, it expands beyond beyond just TikTok.
Speaker 2: I think if we say TikTok's gonna wagh, so we
Speaker 2: lose the way to reach out to young people, that's
Speaker 2: simply not true either.
Speaker 3: But you need to understand.
Speaker 2: How to say that it's still important to reach out
Speaker 2: to them, and b that there's still ways to do it,
Speaker 2: and you just have to show them that they matter,
Speaker 2: that they're important, get them involved, reach out, provide them
Speaker 2: with the information and the resources and the abilities to
Speaker 2: be able to take action. I think TikTok gives them
Speaker 2: a platform where they can do that, but it's not
Speaker 2: the end all be all. It's not the only thing
Speaker 2: that's easible just for them or for anyone in that matter.
Speaker 1: Annie, WU appreciate you and appreciate the time that you
Speaker 1: gave to us on woke up. How do people keep
Speaker 1: in touch with you and stay up to date with
Speaker 1: all of the things that you are doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so, I am working with the a
Speaker 2: PI Victory Fund and so they're going to be doing
Speaker 2: a ton of cool things. It's obviously a p wait
Speaker 2: a a n HPI Heritage Month, so many letters, but
Speaker 2: I want to make sure everyone's included. But May is
Speaker 2: obviously we're going to be doing a lot. We're rolling
Speaker 2: out kind of the refrash and rebrand and hopefully we'll
Speaker 2: be doing a bit more consistently to be building coalitions
Speaker 2: and power and with our community but also with our allies,
Speaker 2: and I think following along what we're doing there, I'm
Speaker 2: working doing some work. It's not a full time or anything,
Speaker 2: but I'm doing some work with the Working Families Party,
Speaker 2: which I think is so fantastic and keeps me involved
Speaker 2: with local politics. That's happening, especially in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: No year is an all year.
Speaker 2: And with Helen gimm who is the endorsed candidate, actually
Speaker 2: it just happened to be a happy accident endorse candidate
Speaker 2: by the Victory Fund as well as Working Families Party
Speaker 2: for the Mayor of Philadelphia. So following along with all
Speaker 2: of those things, Working Families as well as the PA
Speaker 2: Working Families Party is from from that perspective of the
Speaker 2: kind of the areas in which I'm interested. It's not
Speaker 2: always me. It's not always me sending a tweet or
Speaker 2: not always me doing things, but that's kind of the
Speaker 2: the day. And and you know, on my own side
Speaker 2: of you know, just being a person sharing again about
Speaker 2: my life and what I care about and some of
Speaker 2: this work that I'm doing, it's Annie Underscore wu W
Speaker 2: Underscore twenty two on everything. I say everything because I
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, what's happening with Twitter. I think
Speaker 2: I might have a Blue Sky invite somewhere, but like
Speaker 2: I haven't set it up yet. So it's that everywhere.
Speaker 2: And I'm you know, that's not my job, but I
Speaker 2: try to use those platforms like anyone does, to be
Speaker 2: connecting with others and sharing about themselves and all that
Speaker 2: that encompasses.
Speaker 3: So I really appreciate you having me and getting a
Speaker 3: chance to chat.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Annieu, Henry, thank you so much for making the
Speaker 1: time for wok F. We appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on wok
Speaker 1: F as always power to the PE people and to
Speaker 1: all the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.