1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikf Daily with Meet 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody, recording back in the home bunker. 3 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: I cannot believe that I'm going to start off the 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: show with this yet again. Over the weekend, as you 5 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: all already know, there was another mass shooting in Texas, 6 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: which is now I'm starting to believe this is anecdotal, 7 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: but it has to be the number one state in 8 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: the country for mass shootings to occur. This one now 9 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: happened at a mall in Dallas, and you know, we're 10 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: outside of Dallas and nine people are dead, and you 11 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: know Republicans are not going to do a fucking thing 12 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: about it. It is. It's, folks. At this point, it's 13 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: so hard to have sustained outrage at where Republicans have 14 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: forced America. We are being held hostage by the Republican Party. 15 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: Somebody put up on social media that we need to 16 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: stop referring to these as mass shootings and call them 17 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Republican endorsed killings, because at this point, that's what the 18 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: fuck they are, right, because there is a way to 19 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: stop it, right it is. 20 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: It. 21 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: It's incredible to me that these people have all the 22 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: tools to be able to stop mass killings, mass killings 23 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: of our children, mass killings of men and women, mass 24 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: killings of people, and they are choosing every single day 25 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: not to I can't imagine having the power to actually 26 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: do good and say yeah, fuck it, and continue to 27 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: watch people run for their lives, children covered in fucking blood, 28 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: bodies blown to bits, not because you're covering war, but 29 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: because you decided to go to the mall on the 30 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: wrong fucking day and come face to face with a 31 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: neo Nazi sympathizer, a person who has social on all 32 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: of social media, uh themselves in Nazi attire, tattoos and 33 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: everything uh uh aligned with Nazism and fascism, and essentially 34 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: the Republican Party right. So again, to think that this 35 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: policy driven insurrection that has continued to take shape across 36 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: the country, the hatred direct towards trans people, the hatred 37 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: directed towards Black people, the hatred directed towards Asian people, 38 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: uh and Latino people in this country that continues to 39 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: be broadcast uninterrupted, right, not regulated, and think that there 40 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: isn't going to be these continual outcomes when you have 41 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: guns that are so readily available and not even that 42 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: Texas is going even further. You don't need a license, 43 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: you don't need training, you don't need anything. You can 44 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: just walk into any fucking store, pick up a gun, 45 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: and start shooting. Right, So that is not even about 46 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: having responsible, responsible gun ownership. They don't care if you're 47 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: responsible or not. They just want you to kill. So 48 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: the Republican Party is just one big killing machine, that's 49 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: what they are. And you know, for those people who 50 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: are like, well, you know the shooter who has been 51 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: identified as Marcillo Garcia, Folks say, well, that's a you know, 52 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: Hispanic sounding name. How could that person be a white supremacist. Well, 53 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: if only we taught you know, education, and we taught 54 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: about white supremacy, and we taught about colonization, and we 55 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: taught about colorism. Right there are white Hispanics, dear friends, 56 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: those that align themselves with whiteness more than anything else. 57 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: Right there are euro right Hispanics, And so white supremacy, 58 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: sadly is not just in and of itself held within 59 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: the white community. Ideas of colorism and anti blackness and 60 00:04:52,880 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: anti everything that is not white centric, sadly is spread 61 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: around the world and looks differently. You know, it shows 62 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: up in Asia with people not wanting to be dark there, right. 63 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: It shows up in Africa with the pie production of 64 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: bleaching creams. It shows up in not hiring people, It 65 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: shows up in a lot of ways. It shows up 66 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: at all the karenisms of calling the cops on everyone 67 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: and anything right that is in white. So I want 68 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: people to get it out of your mind that you 69 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: need to be white right technically using quotation marks in 70 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: order to be a white supremaist. So once again the 71 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: weapon of choice in AR fifteen. And this is just 72 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: par for the course of what it means to live 73 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: in America. And I will say this, folks, I personally 74 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: am getting to a place where I am losing the 75 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: desire to care about what is happening in Texas and Florida. 76 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: My whole goal right now is that they're bullshit. Is 77 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: not nationalized. That's it, because at this point in time, 78 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, these fucking places being run by these NRA henchmen, 79 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: their loss causes for generations, right and until they drive 80 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: all economic viability out of their state because of the 81 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: defunding that they're doing to libraries, to education and creating 82 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: incredibly unsafe environments, until they realize that that is not 83 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: a economic generator for that state. This is going to continue. 84 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: I just don't want the shit nationalized because I didn't 85 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: choose to live in Texas. I didn't choose to live 86 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: in Florida. And I know that that is coming from 87 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: a very elitist, geographically elitist place, because people do not 88 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: have them means to just pick up and move right. 89 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: But I have to focus my energy on what can 90 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: be done, and what can be done is that that 91 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: shit stays contained in those crazy fucking states, and that 92 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: we do as much work as possible to wake people 93 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: up to what they are intending to nationalize rite and 94 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: fight back with everything that we fucking have, because I 95 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: don't want America to look like the state of Texas 96 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: and the state of Florida and the state of Tennessee. 97 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: And the only way that we stop that is by 98 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: taking over legislatures at the state, local, and federal level, 99 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: making it our fucking jobs because our lives depend on it. 100 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how else to say this that is 101 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: not hyperbolic. Any one of us could be at a mall, 102 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: a grocery store, a movie theater, walking down the street 103 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: at a parade, at a concert, in a synagogue, at 104 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: a church, at a mosque at any given time, be 105 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: in the right place at the absolute wrong time and 106 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: become the next hashtag, become the next family to join 107 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: a group that you don't want to join, which is 108 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: the family of those that have been affected by gun violence. 109 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: But at this point we have all been indirectly affected traumatized. 110 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: So you know, folks, I just have to say that. 111 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: You know, as I do, it becomes more and more 112 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: critical critical for you to identify the ways in which 113 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: you are tending to yourself, to your emotional, mental, and 114 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: physical well being on a daily basis. It is not 115 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: something that can be put off for the weekend. It 116 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: is not a luxury. In order to be able to 117 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: deal and move with this can consistent trauma and terrorism, 118 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: you have got to be able to ground yourself in 119 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: good right, in spirit, in God, if that is your choice, 120 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: in nature, in caring for others, in doing something every 121 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: single day beginning and end, to create the foundation that 122 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: allows you to be able to go on. Because the 123 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: callousness that Republicans want around us to just become numb 124 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: to this can't be the way, right, So we have 125 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: to continue to tend to our strength rite an emotional 126 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: and mental wherewithal to be able to continue fighting. Coming 127 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: up next, dear friends, my conversation with Annie wu Henry, 128 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: who is a social media and digital strategist with expertise 129 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: in progress of organizations and campaigns. She was most recently 130 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: the social media producer for the now Senator John Fetterman's 131 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: very successful campaign in Pennsylvania, and so we are going 132 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: to talk to her about what the Democrats can do 133 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: and use as it pertains to our next selection cycle 134 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four and social media folks, I am 135 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: really happy to welcome to OKF Daily for the very 136 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: first time, Annie wu Henry, who is a social media 137 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: and digital strategist with expertise in progressive organizations and campaigns, 138 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: who most recently was a social media producer for John 139 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: Fetterman's successful Senate campaign in Pennsylvania, which you had a 140 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: badass profile in the New York Times over so congrats 141 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: on that. And is now the newest endeavor that you 142 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: have is as creative director for AAPI Victory Fund, which 143 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: we are a fan of. So welcome to OKF. 144 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: Heyk GA super excited to chat. 145 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: So I want to talk first of all, Bravo, because 146 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that you were posting during the 147 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: John Fetterman's campaign was absolutely brilliant. So I want to 148 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: talk first about how you got into doing social media 149 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: work and why you think it's so integral to politics 150 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: as we understand it nowadays. 151 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, first of all, I want to say 152 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: that the campaign one of the best hearts about it. 153 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: Obviously we had the we won, but the team overall 154 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: was just so so good and such an honor for 155 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: me to be able to get to work with. I know, 156 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: I've you know, people like some of the stuff I did, 157 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: but there was also there were so many people that 158 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: contributed in different ways as well as like even some 159 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: of the social media so it wasn't just me. So 160 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: much of how we were able to react quickly and 161 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: be so engaged in what was happening was because there 162 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 2: were there were many of us and many of us 163 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 2: paying attention, many of us that would would give ideas 164 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: and so much of the time, you know, an idea 165 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: would be thrown out there or a concept, and then 166 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: other people would chime in and then by the end 167 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: we we had such a better result than if it 168 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: was just the original idea or just if one person 169 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: had worked on it. So I always just I mean, 170 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: I appreciate people saying nice things about about my work. 171 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: It's very weird for me still, I get like, really. 172 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: Awkward, you're a good team playing, but I just I. 173 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: Just think it's so important and I understand that like 174 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 2: ticked off and young people and some of this stuff 175 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: is a little a little flashy and fun for people 176 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: right now and it's newer, but like there are you know, 177 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: if I wouldn't have had a New York Times profile, 178 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 2: which like. 179 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: That was. 180 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: Kind of like just a fluke, Like it's not like 181 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: I knew that was gonna happen. I had a tweet 182 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: that went viral about me, and a freelance writer saw 183 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: it and was inspired by it and reached out, and 184 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: I happened to check my dms, which I'm not as 185 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: great as I should be about that, and you know, 186 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 2: we it happened. But if I wouldn't have, if that 187 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: wouldn't have those events wouldn't have happened. My work would 188 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: have still been the same. And there's so many people 189 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 2: that that didn't happen to them, and their work was. 190 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: Just as important. And just as impactful. 191 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: You know, I want to talk about TikTok because you know, 192 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: one as you know I'm sure, is that uh TikTok 193 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: has been under the spotlight in a lot of ways 194 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: because of being owned by China, and you know how 195 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: they can take in information about you and be able 196 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: to utilize a lot of the different kind of what 197 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: is it like, you know, different profiles that you can 198 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: put up to take your identity blah blah blah blah blah. 199 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: Because honestly, if you ask me, I don't see how 200 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: TikTok is any more dangerous than what Facebook does, than 201 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: what Twitter does, than any other of those platforms, except 202 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: for the fact that it's owned by a foreign entity. 203 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: But in terms of TikTok, for the longest time, right 204 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: it has been looked at as the site for dance 205 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: right dance routines, the site for you know, silliness, and 206 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: what I think the Fetterman campaign and then others did 207 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: during that time would showcase how important it is to 208 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: be able to utilize TikTok and the outlets where younger 209 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: voters are to engage them in the process. And so 210 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: I want to give you the opportunity to talk about 211 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: the power of these platforms and how, on one hand 212 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: they have been demeaned in a lot of ways as 213 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: something not to pay attention to. And I, as somebody 214 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: who has been in politics for a long time, I 215 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: didn't get on TikTok until a year ago. And I 216 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: had to be like, you know, beaten over the head 217 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways to get onto TikTok because 218 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: I usually feel like I'm a politico. I don't dance, 219 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: I don't saying I don't do any of these things. 220 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: How am I going to utilize this platform? And I 221 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: have found it to be really really helpful in refining 222 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: my messaging so that it can get to audiences in 223 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: sixty seconds. So can you talk to kind of the 224 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: importance of that platform and politics. 225 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I also am realizing that I didn't 226 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: answer your first question, but yeah, I mean, I it 227 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: pairs nicely together because actually I've been online for you know, 228 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: like a lot of people in my generation, for a 229 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: lot of my life, more than generations before, just because 230 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: it's been around for longer during my lifetime. And I 231 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: had started, you know, on social media just like a 232 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: normal person in middle and in middle school, beginning of 233 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: high school, getting a Facebook and getting on Instagram and 234 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: think and getting a Twitter account and just sharing about 235 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: connecting with people, sharing about what I was doing, connecting 236 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: with friends, talking about things I cared about or things 237 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: that I was thinking about. 238 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 3: And I think as. 239 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: Social media has evolved, as I got involved in politics, 240 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: as I studied journalism and different things like, I was 241 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: always interested in how these platforms could be utilized in 242 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: those spaces, could be utilized in news, could be utilized 243 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: in like you know, direct political work, but also just 244 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: also how young people were utilizing them themselves, because that 245 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: is so much of where they're at. That's where they 246 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 2: get their information, that's where they connect with friends. So 247 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 2: many people don't exchange numbers anymore. 248 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 3: You just exchange. 249 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: Instagram handles, and then if you do want to make 250 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: plans and reach out, you either DM them or then 251 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: you DM and you switch to text. But that's so 252 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 2: much of how you know, young people communicate and just 253 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: stay informed. And so I think as things like TikTok 254 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: have evolved, and I think it's really important that I've 255 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 2: because of kind of the association of the work I've 256 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: done on TikTok. I think a lot of people think 257 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: that I assume that that's that's it, TikTok is the 258 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: most whatever, and I don't think. I just don't think 259 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: that's the case, because, you know, the way we use 260 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 2: Instagram now, it's not the same way used it five 261 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: years ago. It's not the same way we used it 262 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: when it came out, and I think TikTok is probably 263 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: going to be the same way, depending on you know, 264 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: obviously what happens from a government and regulation standpoint, but 265 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 2: also just as the nature of the Internet and the 266 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: digital space evolves, we need to evolve with it. I 267 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 2: think beginning of social media eras was so filtered. When 268 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: Instagram first started, it was like this amateur photography app 269 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: and they had these filters and people try to get 270 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 2: really artsy with like you know, like I remember taking 271 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 2: a picture of like my ceiling fan in high school, 272 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: like putting a filter on, being like this is so cool. 273 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: And then it like hit an era of like influencers 274 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: in early i'd say, like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, and fourteen, 275 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: when influencers started to becoming a thing, but it was 276 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 2: really curated and it was so aesthetic and people would 277 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 2: have themes on their pages. Then as those years went 278 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: on and everything was really filtered and edited and like perfect. 279 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: Life, and then I think we switched to this era of. 280 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: Then people don't want that because that's not how life is. 281 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: And so much of TikTok's emerging in that era I 282 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: think was the authenticity of the platform and of how 283 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: gen Z uses it, of just having a thought or 284 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: having an idea, or seeing a dance or seeing a 285 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: trend and pulling out their phone and doing it and 286 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 2: pressing posts and not overthinking it in those ways. And 287 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 2: so I think the way in which, you know, I 288 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: think it's powerful is it's it can show more of 289 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: that real side, and I think it comes off as 290 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: more authentic. 291 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: You know. 292 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: I didn't want to take our TV ads, which were 293 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: so well done, and some of our are edited, you know, 294 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 2: high resolution videos that we would take it events or 295 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: with validators. They were so well done and they were 296 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: great to share on Twitter and Instagram and. 297 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: Put things on TV. 298 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: But the way we consume content on TikTok, I didn't 299 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: want to put just like a really edited, beautiful video 300 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: because that's not what people are looking for there so 301 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: it was it's a lot more scrappy, it's a lot 302 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: more you know, it's still edited and these videos are 303 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: still put together in different ways, and obviously there's still messages, 304 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: messages and purposes of why you're you're sharing things and 305 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: what you're trying to get across. But I think the 306 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 2: beauty of TikTok and how I like to use it 307 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: in those ways is just being able to show that 308 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: more authentic side that sometimes I think on other platforms 309 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: you can you can't highlights as much, you know, Twitter, 310 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: while you can use some videos and pictures and you 311 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: can meme and different things like it is still very 312 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: just like text oriented and whatever in videos or just 313 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: you can you can do more. It's it's like, you know, 314 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 2: I don't know what this if there's a saying for it, 315 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: but like a pictures worth a thousand words and what's 316 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: a video? 317 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: You know? 318 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so there's so much you can do with it. 319 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 2: There's subtle things, there's so much humor, there's so much fun, 320 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: so much of what myself but also again that the 321 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 2: team as a whole on the campaign tried to do 322 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 2: was have some fun with it, and people with the 323 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 2: political kind of world we've lived in these last few years. 324 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: I think it's really tiring and it's really hard, and 325 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: these issues that we are fighting people that were it's 326 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 2: really heavy and it's really exhausting. And I think politics, 327 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: while we need it and it's important and we can't stop, 328 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: we can do things in ways that aren't are fun. 329 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's funny because in your description right 330 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: of the differences between Instagram and TikTok, it's kind of 331 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: how I'm I think about politics, right. I think about 332 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: those TV ads like you were saying, and politics and 333 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: the presentation of candidates was always in that Instagram kind 334 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: of description. Here's this polished person. Here is this like 335 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: together entity that I'm going to sell to you like 336 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: a box of Kelloggs in a lot of ways, and 337 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: then you know our politics, I think, for better or 338 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: for worse in a lot of ways, for worse because 339 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. The scrubbed presentation of political figures has 340 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: changed because of Donald Trump in a lot of ways. 341 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: I think that Barack Obama was super relatable. People liked him, 342 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: you know, he had that you know, genuine charisma and character. 343 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: So for him, social media was like an extension of himself, right, 344 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: It's just like let us put him on these different mediums. 345 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: I think that using it, Like, if the purpose of 346 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: TikTok is authenticity, how do you see other politicians being 347 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: able to utilize this site when politics has kind of 348 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: moved again in some instances for worse, into this kind 349 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: of mucky place. Right, to be able to present themselves 350 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: in an authentic way while also to hold the integrity 351 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: of what of what politics was supposed to be or 352 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: is supposed to be. 353 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: I mean kind of what you were getting out with 354 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: Trump And what we do need to acknowledge is that 355 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: so much of what did appeal to hit to apparently 356 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 2: a bunch of people. But some of what did appeal 357 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: of him was that he wasn't from you know, politics, 358 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: and he was this outsider and he was and I think, 359 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: you know, on the other side of things, and just 360 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: in general, a push that a lot of people do 361 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: want is more real people. And I wouldn't say Donald 362 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 2: Trump's real, That's why that comes into but like they 363 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 2: want more real people that aren't these polished people that 364 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: have grown up with money and their dads were senators 365 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 2: and all like this like very establishment vibe. They want 366 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 2: you know, people who are working class. They want people 367 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: who understand the issues because they've experienced them. And we've 368 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 2: seen a shift in you know, again also who were 369 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: electing and the amount of people that are from you know, 370 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: non traditional weren't just lawyers or weren't just you know, 371 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: in government in some way or another being in a 372 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: voice in politics, which I think is so needed, especially 373 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 2: when we talk about movement politics. And so I think 374 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 2: that this is just kind of like you said, similarly 375 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: with Obama, which obviously social media was much different back 376 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: in his era, and I'd be interesting to see if 377 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: he was going to be in office how that would 378 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 2: be used today with him and who he is and 379 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: obviously Michelle and the kids and all of that. But 380 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: I think it can be an extension and ideally we 381 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: have people and politicians that are more real, that are 382 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 2: more willing to say things how they are, say things 383 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 2: what they think without it being you know, it can 384 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 2: still be professional, but it can be honest, and it 385 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,239 Speaker 2: can feel honest, and it can feel more authentic. And 386 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 2: I think you know a lot of people, and she's 387 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 2: obviously a younger, working class politician like that is very 388 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: known AOC A lot of people look at her her 389 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: use of social media, which again is from being a 390 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 2: bit more digitally native, but that I don't think the 391 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: way she uses it is unprofessional, but it still feels 392 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 2: really real, and it still feels like a congressman, because 393 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 2: a congress person. They're just at the end of the day, 394 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 2: they're just people. And I think, yep, because of media 395 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: and because of just everything being so saturated right now, 396 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: and it will continue to be like these figures and 397 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 2: while we can respect their positions and their levels of power, 398 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, they are also people, 399 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: and they are citizens, and they are people that are 400 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 2: have a job, and their job is to work for us. 401 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 2: And I think so much of the time we put 402 00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: them in these like elevated kind of like iron idealists, 403 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: sick positions in our brains of like and and then 404 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: they they and the way that for so long politicians 405 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 2: have been presented of like they it's them, and then 406 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: it's us, and it shouldn't be them in us, it's 407 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: all of us together. 408 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to like rip off Bernie, but I. 409 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 2: Like call myself but like they are they are people 410 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: like us, and so they I feel like them doing 411 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,239 Speaker 2: communication and whether and that's using social media because that's 412 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 2: what people do and that's how people communicate in these days. 413 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: That feels like you are one of us, and you're 414 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: not talking down, you're talking with and so much of 415 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: you know, people who allow their phones on their Instagram 416 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: stories or on a live or on TikTok or whatever. 417 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 3: It feels more like that. 418 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 2: It feels more I think, while there's still the level 419 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: of respect and the understanding of power, it feels more level. 420 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: And that is I think why. Also, young people, particularly 421 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: who don't align with any like more things than any 422 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: other generation. They are less like I'm a democrat or 423 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: I'm a publican. They're just more of like, this is 424 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: what I believe, and I want people who believe those things. 425 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 2: They're so less tied to those those specific categories and 426 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 2: boxes and established things that I think in the past 427 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: we've held to. 428 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that Generation Z, for me, like many folks, 429 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: is a really interesting and kind of exciting generation to watch. 430 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: I think about what they were able to do in 431 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: Tennessee with the Tennessee three and the you know and 432 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: and marching on the state capitol and walking out of 433 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: schools that they have done to protest gun violence and 434 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: the fact that they are on the front lines of 435 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: mass shootings, right, and I wonder, you know, kind of 436 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: my last question for you is, what do you see 437 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: as Generation Z enters into the workforce, enters into all 438 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: of the different rungs of various industries. How do you 439 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: see this generation taking shape and shifting how we utilize 440 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: and how we see social media kind of moving forward? 441 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I think. 442 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: It's it's so native to how gen Z thinks, and 443 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: you know, most I'm a sillennial. I'm kind of in 444 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: the middle, but just being so digitally native and thinking 445 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 2: kind of of of that area of things. 446 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: I think. 447 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: Moving forward and how people are going to communicate, it's 448 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: not just going to be gen Z, though, I think 449 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: gen Z is leaning the way like how TikTok it 450 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: started out as like you said at the beginning of 451 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: this conversation, it started out as a way in which 452 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: young people were expressing themselves, largely young people. But now, 453 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: I mean the most the biggest demographic on TikTok is 454 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: actually people in like their twenties to thirties, and so 455 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: it's expanding and you know, as Gen X and millennials 456 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: and people like, everyone's just going to be getting older, 457 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: and there's gonna be Gen Alfha soon that like already 458 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: has phones and already knows how to use it. And 459 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 2: I don't know what the exact years are, but soon 460 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: it will be like most Gen zs are in you know, 461 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: end of high school, college, soon it will be you know, 462 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: the next generation. And so I think, you know, young 463 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: people naturally are going to be more adaptive to these 464 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: different emerging platforms or spaces, just because they aren't set 465 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: in certain ways of doing things or whatever. But I 466 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: do think it's it's expanding beyond just young people. I 467 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: think also young people, it expands beyond beyond just TikTok. 468 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: I think if we say TikTok's gonna wagh, so we 469 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: lose the way to reach out to young people, that's 470 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: simply not true either. 471 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 3: But you need to understand. 472 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: How to say that it's still important to reach out 473 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: to them, and b that there's still ways to do it, 474 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: and you just have to show them that they matter, 475 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: that they're important, get them involved, reach out, provide them 476 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: with the information and the resources and the abilities to 477 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 2: be able to take action. I think TikTok gives them 478 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: a platform where they can do that, but it's not 479 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: the end all be all. It's not the only thing 480 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: that's easible just for them or for anyone in that matter. 481 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: Annie, WU appreciate you and appreciate the time that you 482 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: gave to us on woke up. How do people keep 483 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: in touch with you and stay up to date with 484 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: all of the things that you are doing? 485 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so, I am working with the a 486 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 2: PI Victory Fund and so they're going to be doing 487 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: a ton of cool things. It's obviously a p wait 488 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: a a n HPI Heritage Month, so many letters, but 489 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: I want to make sure everyone's included. But May is 490 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: obviously we're going to be doing a lot. We're rolling 491 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: out kind of the refrash and rebrand and hopefully we'll 492 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: be doing a bit more consistently to be building coalitions 493 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: and power and with our community but also with our allies, 494 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: and I think following along what we're doing there, I'm 495 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: working doing some work. It's not a full time or anything, 496 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 2: but I'm doing some work with the Working Families Party, 497 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: which I think is so fantastic and keeps me involved 498 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: with local politics. That's happening, especially in Pennsylvania. 499 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: No year is an all year. 500 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 2: And with Helen gimm who is the endorsed candidate, actually 501 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: it just happened to be a happy accident endorse candidate 502 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: by the Victory Fund as well as Working Families Party 503 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: for the Mayor of Philadelphia. So following along with all 504 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: of those things, Working Families as well as the PA 505 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: Working Families Party is from from that perspective of the 506 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: kind of the areas in which I'm interested. It's not 507 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 2: always me. It's not always me sending a tweet or 508 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: not always me doing things, but that's kind of the 509 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: the day. And and you know, on my own side 510 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: of you know, just being a person sharing again about 511 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: my life and what I care about and some of 512 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 2: this work that I'm doing, it's Annie Underscore wu W 513 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: Underscore twenty two on everything. I say everything because I 514 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: don't know, you know, what's happening with Twitter. I think 515 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: I might have a Blue Sky invite somewhere, but like 516 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: I haven't set it up yet. So it's that everywhere. 517 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: And I'm you know, that's not my job, but I 518 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 2: try to use those platforms like anyone does, to be 519 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: connecting with others and sharing about themselves and all that 520 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 2: that encompasses. 521 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 3: So I really appreciate you having me and getting a 522 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: chance to chat. 523 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Annieu, Henry, thank you so much for making the 524 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: time for wok F. We appreciate you. 525 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 3: Thank you. 526 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on wok 527 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: F as always power to the PE people and to 528 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: all the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.