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Speaker 1: Well, here we are again, friends and neighbors. It is

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Speaker 1: a Friday afternoon here in the studio. We are off

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Speaker 1: to adventures historical and contemporary. Uh. And this weekend we

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Speaker 1: may be tapping the Admiral on a sampling a bit

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Speaker 1: is not poking uh, military official right right. It's also

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Speaker 1: known it's a phrase from the Royal Navy. It's also

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Speaker 1: called bleeding the monkey or sucking the monkey, which I

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Speaker 1: come across the hose Ben, which is your name and

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Speaker 1: your knowles. It is true, and we're joined with our

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Speaker 1: super producer, Casey Pegrum. Casey and I have had a

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Speaker 1: very very very scant amount of sleep. So if there

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Speaker 1: are any inaccuracies or weirdness in today's episode, that's on

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Speaker 1: me and NOL. Thank you in advance. I hope your

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Speaker 1: You know, I love it when you're a little punchy,

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Speaker 1: And likewise, of course, uh, tapping the admiral? What what

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Speaker 1: does that mean? What's that referred to? It is when

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Speaker 1: that's also what they what they're referring to when the

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Speaker 1: to tapping the admiral. That sounds classy, even though drinking

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Speaker 1: But that's life at sea, you know. Oh my goodness, boy,

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Speaker 1: will you get a load of some some life at sea,

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Speaker 1: some harrowing life at sea in this particular story. So um,

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Speaker 1: is a pretty large drew the life figure, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: larger than life legacy wise. But in terms of his stature,

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Speaker 1: He eventually became the first Viscount Nelson and the first

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Speaker 1: absolutely true. Now this guy had been this guy hit

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Speaker 1: But you're bringing us toward a pivotal point in his

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Speaker 1: it's weird. It's definitely military humor, and it's also nautical humor.

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Speaker 1: you haven't checked it out yet, do listen to our

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Speaker 1: two part episode on the history of stand up with

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Speaker 1: our pal Wayne Federman. Yeah, and please don't hold it

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Speaker 1: you giving that one to listen. So, despite the sad,

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Speaker 1: And it was a huge naval victory for the British

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Speaker 1: I've just decided to call him Irish Will. I know

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Speaker 1: a guy that I call Irish Will. He is Irish,

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Speaker 1: by the way, and he's fine with the name. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that sounds good. I'm okay with this nickname. Okay, great

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Speaker 1: so Irish Will the surgeon he knows that if he

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Speaker 1: wants the body to have the best chance of surviving

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Speaker 1: this grueling two month journey, he should try to use

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Speaker 1: the liquor on board that has the strongest alcohol proof,

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Speaker 1: the highest alcohol content. Right, but if that didn't work,

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Speaker 1: it was politically safer for him to use navy rum

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Speaker 1: because get this, folks, At this time, it was commonly known,

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Speaker 1: of the regular public that the best way to preserve

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Speaker 1: a body at sea was in navy rum. They didn't

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Speaker 1: use navy rum though, right, No, they used brandy, okay,

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Speaker 1: but so they not have any They had both, but

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Speaker 1: he figured that the higher alcohol content one would do

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Speaker 1: the job better. Yeah, the brandy and ethanol um. And also,

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Speaker 1: imagine we have to empathize with him a little bit. Uh,

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Speaker 1: imagine what a huge response onsibility it is. If that

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Speaker 1: guy's body had been lost at sea, or if he,

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Speaker 1: as the surgeon, had done something that was seen as disrespectful,

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Speaker 1: or if he had been seen as kind of dropping

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Speaker 1: the ball on this, it would have been very, very

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Speaker 1: bad for his reputation and his career. So he was

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Speaker 1: he was motivated to do his level best, and people

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Speaker 1: asked him at times, why didn't you use rum instead

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Speaker 1: of brandy? And numerous reports at the time said that

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Speaker 1: he did use rum, because of course he did. Everyone assumed,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's what you use. And that's how navy

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Speaker 1: rum came to be called Nelson's blood. That's how people

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Speaker 1: came to call drinking liquor from a cask tapping the admiral. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I guess first side note, we do have a quote

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Speaker 1: where uh beady and what seven finally gets sick of

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Speaker 1: everybody knee telling him about this brandy versus rum thing.

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Speaker 1: A very generally but erroneous opinion was found to prevail

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Speaker 1: on the victories of rival in England that rum preserves

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Speaker 1: the dead body from decay much longer and more perfectly

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Speaker 1: than any other spirit, and ought therefore to have been used.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is quite the reverse, for there are

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Speaker 1: several kinds of spirits much better for that purpose than rum,

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Speaker 1: and as their appropriateness in this respect arises from their

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Speaker 1: degree and strength, on which alone their antiseptic quality depends.

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Speaker 1: Brandy is superior spirit of wine, however, is certainly by

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Speaker 1: far the best when it can be procured. And that

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Speaker 1: is a very well read quote us from Babies Book

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Speaker 1: authentic narrative of the death of Lord Nelson. Just then, I,

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Speaker 1: being like his claim to fame anyway, he wrote a

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Speaker 1: whole book about it. He you know, this was like

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Speaker 1: something that he gained some notoriety for for a good reason.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was Johnny on the Spot with pickle

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Speaker 1: in the body. He was so good at his job

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Speaker 1: as a surgeon. I think he's the real star of

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Speaker 1: the show here amputating limbs left and right. But ultimately

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Speaker 1: Beatty lost his fight for accuracy because people love this

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Speaker 1: rum idea so much that they just went with it.

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Speaker 1: And that's why, despite uh Nelson never being pickled and rum,

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Speaker 1: people started calling this stuff Nelson's blood. And that's why

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Speaker 1: to this day there's still pubs across England called the

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Speaker 1: Lord Nelson. That's right, and I believe I've I've heard

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Speaker 1: of a few of those. Um here's a little tidbit

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Speaker 1: to um end the show with. On January seventeen seven,

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Speaker 1: Bees sold um something called a grog chest, a very small,

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Speaker 1: um velvet lined plush chest that contained it was like

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Speaker 1: his liquor kit. Basically, it had glasses, flasks and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, containers that were used to hold grog, which

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Speaker 1: would have been a particular type of alcoholic beverage that

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Speaker 1: sailors are known for drinking. There's a lot of tiki

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Speaker 1: drinks that are tai that are called grogs oh man,

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Speaker 1: And speaking of tiki drinks, speaking of grog in general,

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Speaker 1: it might be time for the three of us to

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Speaker 1: call it a day. Thank you so much for journeying

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Speaker 1: with us through the life and death of Lord Horatio Nelson.

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Speaker 1: We also want to mention, on an unrelated note, there's

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Speaker 1: an excellent article in Smithsonian called Lord Nelson, Hero and

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Speaker 1: Chad by Michael Ryan. We didn't have time for it today.

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Speaker 1: Why was he a cat? He's a cat man. There

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Speaker 1: was a in two thousand four people discovered letters that

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Speaker 1: darkened his honor. Cliff, hang us with that man. We've

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Speaker 1: been building this guy up as some kind of giant

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Speaker 1: among men, and all of a sudden he's gonna impeach

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Speaker 1: his his his pristine reputation posthumously. That's hurt that's hurtful, man,

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Speaker 1: tapping the app that we'll have to all right, we'll

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Speaker 1: have to leave the dark legacy of Admiral Horatio Nelson

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Speaker 1: for another day. He's just not the best us. That's fair. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's you know, often great men aren't That's true. It's

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Speaker 1: that's not not giving him a pass. But this has

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Speaker 1: been a fun one and um interesting story for sure.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know you want to be pickled

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Speaker 1: in brandy when you go, no man, I'm I'm a

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Speaker 1: shot in the space kind of guy. Shot in the

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Speaker 1: specie is very expensive, Ben I'm really waiting for the

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Speaker 1: price to break, so I've been taking care of myself

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Speaker 1: to that part, so we want to see. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: our super producer, Casey Pegram, Thanks of course to Gabe,

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Speaker 1: our research associate. Thanks to Alex Williams who composed our theme.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to you, Benjamin Bowling, my sleepy, sleepy co host

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Speaker 1: and dear friend. I'm looking forward to tapping the Admiral

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Speaker 1: with you shortly and thanks to you knowljaman Brown, I

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Speaker 1: look forward to that as well. This ends today's episode,

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Speaker 1: but not our show. Please tune in next time when

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Speaker 1: we explore these strange tale of heavy Water and operation

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Speaker 1: while Operation Freshman, but also Operation gun Runner. What are

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Speaker 1: we talking about? Until you next time,