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Speaker 1: nine is do in those games, they ran it down

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Speaker 1: their throats. They dominated the game by controlling the game

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Speaker 1: with the running game. Also, Matt la fleus experience in

433
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Speaker 1: l A, I think is shaping the way that his

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Speaker 1: vision for the Packers um is. Even though they have

435
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, I think what he's trying to build is

436
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Speaker 1: a team that is a little more run centric, that

437
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 1: is not as much quarterback dependent. A J. Dillon to

438
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Speaker 1: me is a sluggard, a big, physical running back that

439
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Speaker 1: can run not necessarily on edges, but they can pound

440
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Speaker 1: and then maybe play action. And as you think about

441
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Speaker 1: this team going into two without Aaron Rodgers. They're going

442
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Speaker 1: to need to be able to alleviate the press on

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. I think they're trying to kind of make

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Speaker 1: that turn to be a little more run centric, a

445
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 1: little more balanced, a little more we can control and

446
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Speaker 1: dictate the terms. And it's just different because for so

447
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: long when we looked at the Packers, has been all

448
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers spread and stridden, throwing it all over

449
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Speaker 1: the field. So to our it just looks different. Yeah,

450
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Speaker 1: I guess it's two ways to look at it, right.

451
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Speaker 1: I Mean, you look at that game and talk about

452
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Speaker 1: how they couldn't stop the forty niners in the run game.

453
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Speaker 1: And I look at that game and say they need firepower,

454
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Speaker 1: like they don't have enough juice, Like they gotta have

455
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Speaker 1: they have to have more firepower on offense if they're

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Speaker 1: gonna get back to the super Bowl. And then I

457
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Speaker 1: look at what they did. You A J. Dillon, Who's

458
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: he's got power and speed. There's no factor whatsoever in

459
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Speaker 1: the passing game. I know you have another back there.

460
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Speaker 1: It's a it's a really good player that you can

461
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Speaker 1: get the ball too in the passing game. But I'm

462
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Speaker 1: just not big on any running backs I'm bringing in

463
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Speaker 1: that aren't gonna be involved in the passing. But I

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Speaker 1: don't ever want to take a snap with a running

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Speaker 1: back on the field that is not going to be

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Speaker 1: a threat in the passing game. You're playing with ten guys. Uh,

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Speaker 1: if you're throwing the ball so that one, I just

468
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Speaker 1: don't understand. You got h back in Deguara, who's a

469
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 1: good player, But I don't see you know, it's just

470
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Speaker 1: is there enough. I don't think they have enough juice

471
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Speaker 1: to get by the teams they have to get by offensively.

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Speaker 1: I thought this was a draft they could have loaded

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Speaker 1: up on some firepower and they didn't do it. Yeah,

474
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Speaker 1: I think that they may turn out to be true.

475
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Speaker 1: I think we can't forget. Uh, Matt lived Floor came

476
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Speaker 1: from Tennessee, and when he's looking at highlights every Sunday,

477
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Speaker 1: he's seeing Derrick Henry, a guy did he coached go

478
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Speaker 1: crazy for fifteen hundred yards. I think sometimes we kind

479
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: of get caught up into reminiscing about what we once had,

480
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Speaker 1: and I think some of that might have played into

481
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Speaker 1: the role of, Hey, this is why I want a J.

482
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Speaker 1: Dillon because I remember coaching Derrick Henry. He didn't do

483
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Speaker 1: this for me, but man, the next year, it really

484
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Speaker 1: really exploded for him. So maybe they got that. And

485
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Speaker 1: thinking of toughness. One of the teams that we had

486
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Speaker 1: talked about with more toughness, the Indianapolis Colts and what

487
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Speaker 1: they wanted to do on offense. And look, I'm a

488
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Speaker 1: little jaded by um my relationship with Frank Wright, having

489
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Speaker 1: knowing him, but also growing up in the Carolinas and

490
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Speaker 1: watching Frank Wright play quarterback at Maryland. His coach at

491
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Speaker 1: Maryland was Bobby Ross and the way that they played

492
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Speaker 1: at Maryland and winning three conference titles. They ran the

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Speaker 1: ball down people's throats and they were very physical. Frank

494
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Speaker 1: right when you hear him talk about his team, he

495
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: always references running game and toughness. The two guys that

496
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Speaker 1: they got on day two, Michael Pittman, Jonathan Taylor. There's

497
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Speaker 1: no doubt about the toughness and physicality that they want

498
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Speaker 1: to bring. And then with Philip rivers, play action, play action,

499
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Speaker 1: play action, because the best way to preserve and older

500
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Speaker 1: quarterback is to let him throw off play action, don't

501
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Speaker 1: have him dropping back on traditional dropbacks. Forty times a

502
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Speaker 1: game used the threat of the run to make life

503
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Speaker 1: easy for Philip Rivers. Yeah, I love the Pittman pick.

504
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Speaker 1: You know, my comparison for him throughout the whole process

505
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,479
Speaker 1: was Mike Williams. Who, um, you know Mike Williams Philip

506
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Speaker 1: Rivers as Mike Williams. Now, he's got another version here

507
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: with with Pittman. So that was gonna asked. Liked. Danny

508
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: Penner can end up being one of the steels in

509
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Speaker 1: the draft out of ball State, who they got in

510
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Speaker 1: the fifth round, Who's got a chance to be a

511
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Speaker 1: really good interior player, really athletic continuing to invest in

512
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Speaker 1: that offensive line. Um, I like what they did there

513
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Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Colts. Another team, you know, with the

514
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Speaker 1: teams that had all the picks, right, Miami had a

515
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Speaker 1: ton of picks, Minnesota had a ton of picks. Jacksonville

516
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Speaker 1: had a ton of picks. Minnesota to me, their first

517
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Speaker 1: three picks. Day one starters, plug and play Justin Jefferson.

518
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Speaker 1: I think uh Dicks caught sixty three balls last year, Buck.

519
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Speaker 1: I think Jefferson will catch more than that this year

520
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Speaker 1: as a rookie. Oh yeah, I agree, because I think

521
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: Gary Kubiak is gonna have an even tighter system and

522
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: an even clear vision for how he wants his offense

523
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Speaker 1: to go. You talked about those first three picks being starters.

524
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Speaker 1: I think they got another good pick in James Lynch

525
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Speaker 1: down in the fourth round. Um. He is a worker,

526
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Speaker 1: b um, a guy who has good hands, works not stop,

527
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Speaker 1: does a great job of getting to the quarterback. I

528
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Speaker 1: think he fits the build of what they want to do.

529
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Speaker 1: And it's one thing to have a lot of picks,

530
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Speaker 1: it's another thing to turn those picks in the players.

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Speaker 1: I think the Minnesota Vikings will turn those picks in

532
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Speaker 1: the players. Yeah, I mean glad he's gonna start day one. Um,

533
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: ezrac Cleveland to me with the athleticism and that zone scheme,

534
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Speaker 1: I mean, when you have those two tackles they have

535
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Speaker 1: right now with O'Neil and ezrac Cleveland, those guys are

536
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Speaker 1: both big time athletes. Man, they can get lateral. And

537
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Speaker 1: you have Bradberry's probably, if not the one of the

538
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: most athletic centers in the NFL. And when you with

539
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Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, I mean again I keep coming back to forget,

540
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Speaker 1: however you rate these players like this fits. I know

541
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Speaker 1: what they're doing, this works, what they're doing in Minnesota. Yeah,

542
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Speaker 1: it certainly, it certainly does. It's funny that you bring

543
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Speaker 1: up Dalvin could because Dalvin Cooks makes me think of

544
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Speaker 1: cam Acres. And it also makes me think that the

545
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Speaker 1: l A Rams got they're going to get back to

546
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Speaker 1: doing what they did those early years. And even though

547
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Speaker 1: they let Todd Gurley go, man, I wouldn't be surprised

548
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: they see cam Acres just explode as the Rams running back.

549
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Speaker 1: And I know people are talking about, oh, they got

550
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Speaker 1: Darren Us in. Yeah, but I'm gonna tell you very quickly,

551
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a parent that cam Acres is that guy.

552
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: When they get to running the zone system, cam Acres

553
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: is a perfect fit. And then Van Jefferson being a

554
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: polished route runner, Robert Woods, Cooper Cup, Van Jefferson, Um,

555
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: I know they talked about Josh Reynolds. Three or four

556
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: of those guys are precise route runners. When the Rams

557
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: were at their best, it was the route running complimenting

558
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: the run game and the play action passing. It works.

559
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: I see it. I can see how all the moves

560
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: kind of line up for the Rams. I was talking

561
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Speaker 1: to Less Sneed before the draft. It was the day

562
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Speaker 1: before we were going over a bunch of players and

563
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: who could be there in the second round. We went

564
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Speaker 1: through all the running backs and he, you know, spoke

565
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Speaker 1: longingly about cam Akers and just how physical he was

566
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Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, we talked about the lack

567
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Speaker 1: of talent in front of him who he was running behind.

568
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Speaker 1: So he was I think he was very excited when

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Speaker 1: he was there when they picked. But we also talked

570
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Speaker 1: about Jefferson. I told him he reminded me of Cooper Cup,

571
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Speaker 1: you know, because of the similarities there. And he brought

572
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: up a great point. You know, we didn't have forty

573
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Speaker 1: times on a lot of these players, Jefferson being one

574
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Speaker 1: of him, because he couldn't run at the comment because

575
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Speaker 1: he was hurt. They went back through the Zebra technology,

576
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Speaker 1: the GPS technology. Van Jefferson ran the fastest of anybody

577
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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, and even they tracked those guys

578
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: the whole week. Van Jefferson's speed on that on that

579
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: Zebra technology, he ran the highest mph of any player

580
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Speaker 1: on the field. So now you've got an elite route runner.

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Speaker 1: Who's the best, I mean, one of the best route

582
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Speaker 1: runners in the draft. I would say probably Jerry Judy

583
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Speaker 1: would be one, and I would say Van Jefferson probably

584
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Speaker 1: two as a route runner. So the question was, you know,

585
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Speaker 1: how fast is he? We saw Cooper Cup go to

586
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and light everybody up down there. Nobody

587
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: could cover him. Remember that, and now they go back

588
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: and they find a similar player who nobody can cover

589
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and using the technology that's out there

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Speaker 1: to fill in the gaps with the speed. And if

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00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: that's something again we've been talking about for a long time,

592
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: DJ you you you uncover something that we've talked about.

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Speaker 1: How long would it be before those things made their

594
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: way into the scouting world. Uh, people talk about analytics

595
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: and technology and all that other stuff. Utilizing the Zebra

596
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: technology because how do we how we technically supposed their

597
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 1: great speed on players? Oh what's their playing speed off tape? Well,

598
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: the RAMS tapped into that playing speed off real action

599
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: by having the technology to be able to do it.

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Speaker 1: And there is something about the way I got plays

601
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Speaker 1: how fast he plays as opposed to him running a

602
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Speaker 1: static forty to be able to get that information on

603
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Speaker 1: Van Jefferson that is outstanding. One thing that I want

604
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Speaker 1: you to touch on because I know, uh, you know,

605
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: the Eagles as well as anybody. Um, I'm gonna throw

606
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: out my theory on the Eagles and why they took

607
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts because I felt like how we said something

608
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Speaker 1: in the post draft press conference that made sense to me.

609
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Speaker 1: How we when they asked him about Jalen Hursts, he said,

610
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Speaker 1: look for better or worse, we are quarterback developers. We

611
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: are a quarterback factory. We just kind of know how

612
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Speaker 1: to develop quarterbacks. I took that as man that that

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Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense because you and I have

614
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: both said repeatedly the quarterback position is the most important

615
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: position on the field. We should probably invest heavily in

616
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Speaker 1: that position. The Philadelphia Eagles won a Super Bowl because

617
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Speaker 1: of their heavy investment in the quarterback position when they

618
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: had Nick Foles and those guys behind Carson Wentz, Doug

619
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Speaker 1: Peterson and I played together in Green Bay. Mike Hombren

620
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: always like to bring in young quarterbacks to develop. Andy

621
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Speaker 1: Reid was on that coaching staff. He goes to Philly

622
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: utilizes that same philosophy. That philosophy helped them turn a

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Speaker 1: j Philly into a second round pick that they traded

624
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: away to Miami. Helped him turn Kevin Cobb into a

625
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: second round pick that they traded to the Arizona Cardinals.

626
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: This makes sense to me because regardless of whether Jalen

627
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: Hurts becomes the starter or not, which we don't expect,

628
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: if Jalen Hurts is good enough to be the QB two, well,

629
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Speaker 1: if Carson Wentz is hurt. We've seen this Philadelphia Eagles

630
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl with their backup quarterback if he

631
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: never has to get on the field. We've seen the

632
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: organization develop a quarterback and use him as a trade piece.

633
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: I understand is rich in some people's minds, the second

634
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: round pick, but if he leads them to a super Bowl,

635
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: or if he's traded for another commodity, it's a win

636
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: win for me. It's all about the development into position. Yeah,

637
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: a couple of different things there, but because and I've

638
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: heard some some of these same thoughts, and I'm with

639
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: you on part of it, not with you on the

640
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: other part of it. So the part I would disagree

641
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Speaker 1: with is, Look, if you take a guy in the

642
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: sixth round, as yet what the Packers would do back

643
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Speaker 1: in the day, and you develop that kid, and you

644
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: spend him off for a second round pick, maybe even

645
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: a first round pick. Right, if everything goes right, great value,

646
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: but investing a second round pick to then not have

647
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 1: him play much and then turn around and trade him

648
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: for a second round pick like that, I don't you know,

649
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: there's not as much value there. They took him in

650
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: the second round. So that's the only thing I would

651
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: disagree with. The thing that does make sense though, is

652
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: if and and this is not from this these folks

653
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: inside the organization that we all know well, but just

654
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: look at it. If they had a Josh McCown was

655
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: on one hamstring and Josh McCown is you know, has

656
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 1: had a great career as a backup, if they had

657
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: better quarterback play behind Carson Wentz, they would have won

658
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: that playoff game last year. So so they wanted to

659
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: upgrade that. They've done it in the past with money, right,

660
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: they go out and pay. They paid Chase Daniel a

661
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: bunch of money as a backup quarterback. Obviously famously Nick

662
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: foles Um made a bunch of money and took them

663
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl. So they've had no problem invest

664
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: in cash. And I think what they decided was the

665
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: creative way to invest in the position, but save money

666
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: at the position because you you've already paid Carson that

667
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: hunter million dollar deal, So we don't want to have

668
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: a quality backup is gonna cost you north a ten

669
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: million dollars. They're not gonna pay that. They're gonna get

670
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: the cheap rookie deal. So as we talked about building

671
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: a team on a rookie deal, well, if you've already

672
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: paid the money to your frontline guy, we don't want

673
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: to have to also pay top dollar for a top backup.

674
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: So it's a way for us to feel like we

675
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: a quality backup at cost control, so that the position,

676
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: the quarterback position does not carry so much financial weight

677
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: inside your organization that costs you opportunities for other players.

678
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: So I think that makes sense. From that standpoint, it

679
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: was we need a quality backup, we don't want to

680
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: pay him a ton of money, and we want to

681
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: be able to get through two or three games a

682
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: stretch if we have to if something happens with Wentz,

683
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: which has happened throughout his career. So now the way

684
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: that we need to look at quarterback, uh the quarterback

685
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: position for every team, total compensation for the position. When

686
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: you have typically you have a rookie plan on a

687
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: cheap deal, the backup is commanding significant money. So now

688
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: that we've paid Carson Wentz flip it, so now we

689
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: need to have a young, cheap ricky that can play,

690
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: so that completely also want the talent. That's why it

691
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: comes with having to take him higher, because you still

692
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: want the talent, you don't want to pay the price

693
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: and the other thing. And I think people are are

694
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: missing this. Jalen Hurts is not Taysom Hill and when

695
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: people make that comparison, like, oh, we're gonna put him

696
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: on the field and he's gonna athletically, he doesn't play

697
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: like that. I love him as a runner. I have

698
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: the tremendous amount of respect for Jalen Hurts in terms

699
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: of what he does in the quarterback run game. Taysom

700
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: He'll was an A plus athlete four four speed thirty

701
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: nine inch vertical super explosive ran for twelve almost thirteen

702
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: yards at b y U when he was healthy undrafted

703
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: free agent. Give the Stains credit for carving out a

704
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: niche for him. Jalen Hursts is not that guy. And

705
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: I know Douck talked about I wanted to do some

706
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: of that running our stuff. That's fine, but I don't

707
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: think we're gonna see Jalen Hurts being got h back

708
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: or full back and all those other things. I just

709
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: don't think athletically he's built like that. I think that

710
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: you'll see packages with him at quarterback, especially when you

711
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: get down on the red zone, be able to use

712
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: him on some zone read stuff, still throw the football,

713
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 1: move him around, do different things. But I don't really

714
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: envision him coming on the field as a slot or

715
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, blocking is a lead back, as we've seen

716
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: with with Taysom Hill. But I do think you can

717
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: put together a package of plays to get him up

718
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: on game days and get him on the field a

719
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: little bit at times. Yeah, I think that's it. Um.

720
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: And speaking of because I brought up Tayson Hill um

721
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: team building quarterback position. The New Orleans Saints invested a

722
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: ton of money at Taysom Hill two year extension twenty

723
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: one million dollars sixteen point five guaranteed. Jamis Winston turns

724
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: down more lucrative offers, one that may have been from

725
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh stillers to go to New Orleans. When you

726
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: think about the Saints quarterback room, what does all this

727
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: tell us about their quarterback? Yeah? I mean this is

728
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: the exact opposite of what we just talked about. Right,

729
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: you have you have an expensive starter, you have a

730
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: cheap backup. They have three quarterbacks. And I haven't seen

731
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with Jamis with the deal. I'm sure

732
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: it's limited money. It's a it's a it's smart move

733
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: by Jamis by the way, to just say, hey, this

734
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: is like what do they call a gap year? Uh

735
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: going to gain or just go line for year? Take

736
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: the year. I'm gonna go be around the smartest people

737
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: I can be around. I'm gonna watch how Drew Brees works,

738
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch how Sean Payton teaches. I'm gonna learn

739
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: how they study film Like this is a brilliant move

740
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: to go make an extra five million dollars in one

741
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: year to go someplace else not worth it. I mean,

742
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: this is about a you know, a reset button for

743
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, and I think it was brilliant on his

744
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: part as well as the Saints part. It's a free

745
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: look something happens to Drew Brees. If you don't feel

746
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: comfortable that Taysom Hill can be the full time guy,

747
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: You've got somebody with plenty of experience with all the

748
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: weapons they have there. You can get through a large

749
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: chunk of games with Jamis Winston now. And also I

750
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: feel like Buck we've talked about Jamis versus Cam, I

751
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: would have been more inclined to go with Jamis, even

752
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: though I know Cam's m v P and has played

753
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: at a higher level at times during his career. But

754
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: when you factor an age, health and what he can

755
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: be going forward, I think I wasn't surprised Jamis was

756
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: the first one to go. He's twenty five, maybe twenty

757
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: six years old. I think people need to understand Taysom

758
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: Hill is thirty years old. He would be thirty years

759
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: old when the season. I think for Jamie's it's a

760
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: perfect move. It's a move that makes sense if he's

761
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: looking at this as a long range and it's a

762
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: long range thought. Man, I go. I can get with

763
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: Sean Payton for a year, maybe two years. I'll come

764
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: out of it at seven. And I saw what he

765
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: did for Teddy Bridgewater. I am going to play in

766
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: a system that is probably a little more Jamie's friendly

767
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: than the ones that he's played with with Dirk Cutter,

768
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: who wants to throw it down the field, But the

769
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: more that you throw it down the field, the more

770
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: likely you're gonna have the interceptions. Bruce arians wants to

771
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: push you down the field. I think it's a great

772
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: move for him. I'm still not convinced that Taysom Hill

773
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: is their backup. It seems like a lot of money

774
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 1: for a utility player. I don't know if I would

775
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: want to pay sixteen million and a half guaranteed for

776
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: a guy that only has thirteen career passes and some yards.

777
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's enough. I think the

778
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: story is better than the actual production did they get

779
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: out of him? I think that's an interesting point. Buck.

780
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: I want to switch over to Jacksonville, who who touched

781
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: on real quick um Man. I think they did a

782
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: good job of put some athletes on the defensive side

783
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: of the ball. They trade a lot of good players

784
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: away from that team that was in the a f

785
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: C Championship game. It's a totally new group and we'll

786
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: see what happens within Gakway if he's gonna be there,

787
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: not next year, but when Henderson, although he doesn't love

788
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: the tackle, is a very gifted cover man. And then

789
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: you come back with Calavon Chasan who's just a really

790
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: good athlete. Right, He's war the eight teams. So you

791
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: get some high character. You've talked about them wanting to

792
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: put a bunch of good kids in the building. They

793
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: did that. Then you get chennault Um who's very athletic.

794
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: Hamilton's from Ohio State, who's a good upfield rusher who's

795
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: got more upside. Josiah Scott, who I think is the

796
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: day one nickel quarterman, who is a captain leader of

797
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: the Miami team. Um, I think I think this kind

798
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: of goes back to what you were saying about. They

799
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: wanted to change the field and the look of this

800
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: whole organization. And I think that you find the theme

801
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: when you look at their draft. Another one where I

802
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: think you can kind of find the theme. Yeah, I

803
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: think you can find a theme. And when I look

804
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: at their draft, it reminds me of what Buffalo. The

805
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills have created great, great call culturally. Hey man,

806
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: you may look at us and say that we're not

807
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: the most talented team, but what we're going to do.

808
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: Our b s are B plus players. Are gonna play

809
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: like B plus players each and every week. And more importantly,

810
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: we're not gonna have a lot of problems. The locker

811
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: room is going to be harmonious. We're gonna get along.

812
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna be on the same page. I felt like

813
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: this was Dave Calwill and Doug Morone recapturing the locker

814
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: room and re establishing the culture that they want down

815
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville. All right, I want to go through through

816
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: the rounds here, Buck, if you I don't know, if

817
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: you have it on your computer, if you can kind

818
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: of pull up some of these picks, because I'm gonna

819
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: go through and give you my best value pick for

820
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: every round. I'll just go through the seven players just

821
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: real quick, and then I just want to give you

822
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: the floor here as we have about ten minutes left

823
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: to uh to go through some of you guys you

824
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: really really liked and fits any round, but just guys

825
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: you really like. But here's I had Jack, our buddy

826
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: Jack uh ANDREI do this for me. Take my top

827
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: two list and then take where these guys were picked,

828
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: and then give me my best value. So first round,

829
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: Patrick Queen was the linebacker from l s U to

830
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens, was my best because he was my

831
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: fifteenth player. He went overall. Um, we talked about that

832
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: one already. Second second round. A J. E. Panessa, he

833
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: was my twenty six player. He went fifty four, so

834
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: that was a plus twenty eight value. I thought he

835
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: got nicked up a little bit because he didn't run

836
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: well to combine. If he had a pro day, I

837
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: think he would have cleaned that up a little bit.

838
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: People talk about he's a tweener buck and we can

839
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: get to the restless list in a second here, Um,

840
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: but you always mentioned Ozzi's uh nugget on production carrying

841
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: over to the next level, and you'll see this on

842
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: this list here. I'm in. I'm into that man. You

843
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: get sacks in college, you get sacks in the pros.

844
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: A J. E. Panessa beat a lot of good tackles.

845
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: He beat first round tackles in this draft, and he

846
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: got punished in this draft. I thought that was a

847
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: great value for the Bills. Excellent value, terrific player, blue

848
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: collar worker, productive, does all the stuff that you want

849
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: to see, and he does have there that that production

850
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: that you talked about as a sack artist. All right,

851
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: so we get to the third round. Zack bond Um.

852
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: He was my thirty fourth player. New Orleans got him

853
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: at seventy four. They traded up to get him, I believe,

854
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: so that's plus forty on the pick value. Now, teams

855
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: had some concerns with him medically, so that's why he

856
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: ended up sliding a little bit more than probably he should.

857
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: Another one with production, you know. So you've got somebody

858
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: that's undersized but athletic and productive. I'll bet on him

859
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: fourth round. Um. This was kind of a fun moment

860
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: in the draft, Buck because I we I've used this

861
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: comparison with you all the time and you're not gonna

862
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: laugh at it because we talked about it all the time.

863
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: But I got a hearty laugh out of the Antonio

864
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: Gandy Golden going to the Redskins. Uh. You know, with

865
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: my comparison, I think nebile you can roll that it

866
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: got it. Got a little bit of a chuckle from

867
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: Wingo on this one. But what he does picking balls

868
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: off the heads of defenders. I was looking for a

869
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: comparison for him. I just wrote down only Madison at

870
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: recess because he looked like, you can play with little

871
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: kids out there. That may be the best player in

872
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: cop in the history of the draft. Daniel Daniel Jeremiah,

873
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: you should leave now leave on the high note. But Buck,

874
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: he was my he was my seventy nine player. He

875
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: want one forty two, so that was a plus sixty

876
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: three value. And another one who ran four six flat.

877
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: He doesn't separate a lot. But there's guys. We see

878
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: guys every look DeAndre Hopkins. He's not DeAndre Hoppkins, but

879
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins doesn't separate a lot. If you if you're

880
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: contested catch guy, you you win those fifty fifty balls.

881
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get hung up on the fact you're

882
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: not getting a ton of separation. No, And I think

883
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Are you comfortable with guys that can

884
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: make those contested catches. He's shown that he can do it,

885
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: and his upside is through the roof. I'm willing the

886
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: gamble on that, all right, So let's keep the theme

887
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: alive here. In the fifth round, my best value pick

888
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: my seventy five player Bradley, and I was the one

889
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy ninth pick, So that's a plus one

890
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: oh four value. Uh. In the fifth round by the

891
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, goes back to what we've been saying, production, production, production.

892
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: This guy has it goes to the Senior Bowl. They

893
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: couldn't block him the whole week down there. Ran slow.

894
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: If you look at his numbers and what he's done

895
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: very similar to a guy like Marcus Golden, and Marcus

896
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: Golden as a player we've seen that's had double digit

897
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: sack here's in the NFL. He doesn't do it with speed.

898
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: He just got unbelievable hands and effort. And in the

899
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: fifth round, are you kidding me? I mean, I thought

900
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: that was a great value, absolutely a great value. To

901
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: be able to get that at that point in the

902
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: draft is not what you expect, and it is one

903
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: of the reasons why you have to really set your

904
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: board and just know someone's gonna fall to you at

905
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: every round. Last two here, sixth round. Hachemadenergy was my

906
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: nineties second player. He was the hight picks that's a

907
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: plus eighty eight value. Played tackle at Kansas. We saw

908
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: him kick inside at guard um at the Senior Bowl.

909
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: Did a really nice job. And this again, I want

910
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: to go back to something that you've said, and dB

911
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: coaches have said, we want to we want a secondary

912
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: with four corners. Maybe you know, if you're five corners

913
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: on the field, I ideally and then you'd put a

914
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: couple of those corners at safety, but you've got five

915
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: corner ability players. Well, on the offensive line, I want

916
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: five tackles. I want five five guys that have tackle athleticism,

917
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: tackle feet, and can pass protect. Hachema Denergy is probably

918
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: gonna kick into guard and some of these athletic interior rushers,

919
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to hang in there against him

920
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: because he's so athletic. Yeah, I mean, look that that's

921
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: what you want, Like when you're picking in these stages

922
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: like the fourth round, developmental players who have a couple

923
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: of trades that could enable them to really I'll play

924
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: their draft status and so I get it. It makes sense. Um.

925
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: I love the analogy you talk about having five tackles

926
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: on the field because I don't think we think about

927
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: the office of Lyne being an athletic position. Your tackles

928
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: are different athletes typically than your guards. Last one, seventh round,

929
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: my best value pick Geno Stone, the safety from Iowa.

930
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: The Baltimore Ravens took him. So the Baltimore Ravens had

931
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: my best value pick in the first they had my

932
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: best value pick in the seventh. Um that was that

933
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: he was my h player two, nine teenth pick plus

934
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: ninety six value somebody that is instincts instincts instincts. Uh

935
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: So the testing might not blow you away, but safety

936
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: is an instinct position. And that's why to me, I

937
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: thought this guy was a great value. But I'm sure Buck,

938
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: if you had your list, you would find guys. You

939
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: would find you guys that you worked for that you

940
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: have the same type of value, because that's how your

941
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: brain was programmed. Yeah, so it's funny like in just

942
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: going through the list, I can't necessarily say the value

943
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: because my list was only like a top one hundred,

944
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: but I can tell you the picks that I liked

945
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: where they were selected. Tristan Worth's going to the Buccaneers

946
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: where he went made sense to me. I thought he

947
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: was a better player than being the fourteenth rate player.

948
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: J K. Dobbins going to the Baltimore Ravens in the

949
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: second round makes sense to me. I thought he was

950
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: a much better player than that Logan Wilson, and I

951
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: am mad at myself that I was late to the

952
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: Logan Wilson party in terms of talking about him. DJ

953
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: four tackles ten interceptions for inside linebacker is ridiculous. Um

954
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Harrison Bryant going to the Cleveland Browns in the fourth round.

955
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: This is a guy that we talked about maybe being

956
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: the best or second best. Tied in to get him

957
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: at that point made sense. Alton Robinson going to the

958
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks in the fifth just because of the energy,

959
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: the motor, the sack production, and people are looking at

960
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: that last season where he only had four and a

961
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: half sacks. He had ten the year before. It works

962
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: in Seattle because Pete likes instincts and athleticism over everything.

963
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: It makes sense. I'm gonna go back again to the

964
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks because this is a kid that I know

965
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: in terms of being a round runner. Freddie Swain from Florida.

966
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: When your eyes are looking at Van Jefferson, I should

967
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: tell you that Freddy Swain might have been the more

968
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: bally hoo to recruit coming in. He has some stuff

969
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: to him when it comes to stop star equipments and

970
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: running ability. He could be a good one. And then

971
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: the Buffalo bill is getting Dane Jackson from UH Pittsburgh.

972
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: I like man in the seventh round. You're trying to

973
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: find guys who are devalued, guys who you're thinking would

974
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: be off the board in the fifth round. I thought

975
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: Dane Jackson would have been gone by that point. Good

976
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: pick for them overall. I think what we saw the

977
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: teams that have a formula and a clear plan for

978
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: how they go about doing their business. We understand like

979
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: what their traits and prototypes are, they typically tend to

980
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: clean up. And those are the guys that we talked about, Oh,

981
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: you can find a play in the fourth round. Yeah,

982
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: if you know exactly what you're looking for. And I

983
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: think those teams do exactly what they were looking for.

984
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: The last thing from me, buck Um. People always ask

985
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: like how many players are on a draft board, and

986
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: we've talked about one fifties kind of been the magic

987
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: number for for the teams. I've worked with. The Patriots

988
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: and notorious for having like eighty guys. That's it. So

989
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: I if you look at my top one fifty right.

990
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: So most teams, most majority of teams have a hundred

991
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: and fifty names on their front board, which is their

992
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: draft board. I had a hundred and twenty six of

993
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: the one fifty were picked. So that's why you know, well,

994
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: there's how do you have two drafted? Nut? You almost

995
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: every single year, you will your last pick will be

996
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: a player that's one of your top one fifty players.

997
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: So that was just kind of interesting nugget there for

998
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: people to get a look at it. So it's funny,

999
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: dj Um. I couldn't publish the list, But in thinking

1000
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: about that, what I did is I made a top

1001
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: one hundred lists and are worried about, like, man, should

1002
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: I just cut it at seventy five and just cut it?

1003
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: And these are the seventy five guys like that I

1004
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: love and I'm not I'm not putting anybody on this

1005
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: list that I don't love. But I was a little

1006
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: leterly and scared of being that tight with it. But

1007
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: I do think like next year, I think I'm gonna

1008
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: keep it tight like that, and I think I'm subscribed

1009
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: to the theory my buddy always talks about in and out.

1010
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put a whole bunch of menu items

1011
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: on the board that I know that I ultimately I'm

1012
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: not gonna be like, look, I want I want to

1013
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: a double double with cheese. I want fries and a

1014
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: shake and that's all I need. And I think when

1015
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: we keep it light, I think that is the best

1016
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: way to look at the draft board. Was h this

1017
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: was fun. Man. We're gonna have another episode this week.

1018
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: We can jump into some of these other topics. So

1019
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: much to talk about, Buck, but man, you did such

1020
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: a great job in the run up to the draft

1021
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: and covering this thing. Um and it was again. I

1022
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: keep coming back. This is why I love this podcast.

1023
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: Is my favorite thing that we get to do, um

1024
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: is to do these discussions because we can go wherever

1025
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: we want. It's just a discussion that we would have

1026
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: on the phone if we weren't doing the podcast. And um,

1027
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of fun. Man. No, it was

1028
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And I'm looking forward to I'm

1029
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: looking forward to Chad and even more as we're able

1030
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: to really step away from the draft and study what

1031
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: took place after being in it so closely. Uh, we

1032
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: should have fun in the next couple of days. I

1033
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: want to encourage everybody. If you haven't already subscribed to

1034
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: the podcast, tell a buddy. Uh. We have a bunch

1035
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: of videos. NFL dot com, slash MTS video YouTube dot

1036
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: com slash NFL podcast. You can find it there. I

1037
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: want to thank Mark, want to thank the Bill, want

1038
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: to thank our Juna Ryan Bartlett has done a lot

1039
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: of work with us in the run up to the

1040
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: draft as well. Uh So, thank you guys so much

1041
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: for all of your hard work, and we'll catch you

1042
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: next time. This has been moved the sticks presented by

1043
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: fed X and we'll see you next time. I'll move

1044
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