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Speaker 1: Now it's time for Cannabis Talk one on one with Blue,

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Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Mark and Greg Washerman, the pop brothers

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Speaker 1: in law, with special guest doctor Danny Gordon, author of

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Speaker 1: the CBD Bible.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to Cannabis Talk one o one. My name

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Speaker 2: is Blue.

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Speaker 3: Alongside of me or the world famous pop brothers that law,

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Speaker 3: mister Mark and Craig Washerman.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Well you can't say hi, Craig's on.

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Speaker 2: The show Crag.

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Speaker 5: You normally go right to Joe.

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Speaker 6: Well, I was.

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Speaker 4: Looking at you els hoping you're going He was looking

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Speaker 4: at you, and Craig's just looking at the guests, going hi.

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Speaker 7: Doctor.

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Speaker 5: Today I saw a little brother camera went off, so

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Speaker 5: it threw me.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, we all cut him off already we might.

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Speaker 3: Well, we also have this amazing specimen next to me,

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Speaker 3: mister Joe Grande.

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Speaker 7: Thank you very much. Blew it's a pleasure to be

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Speaker 7: sitting next to you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, sir. I appreciate you as well.

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Speaker 3: And Joe, why don't you let everybody in the world

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Speaker 3: know exactly what's going on Cannabis Talks.

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Speaker 4: Funny way you say the world, because this feels like

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Speaker 4: world interview. I want to thank everyone for listening to

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Speaker 4: our podcast, Cannabis Talk one on one.

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Speaker 7: All over the world. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: If you ever want to call into the show eight

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Speaker 4: hundred and four to twenty nineteen eighty, Craig, we have

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Speaker 4: a lot of Spanish listeners, so please give it an espanol.

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Speaker 5: Ocho zeno zeno quatro does zero nuevo o cho zeno.

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Speaker 7: In blue in Puerto Rican English.

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Speaker 2: It's one eight hundred and four twenty nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 7: Guys and Mark, do you have it down yet?

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Speaker 6: Trony episyny epis, tony epis.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, you really graduated from Hebrew class.

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Speaker 7: That's Hebrew?

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Speaker 8: Say? Is that Hebrew rash?

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Speaker 3: And that sexy voice that you hear right there she

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Speaker 3: needs to say it from her.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, can you say it with the real English accent,

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Speaker 4: Doctor Danny Gordon.

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Speaker 8: It's wow on the Canadian transplant so unfortunately I'm a

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Speaker 8: little bit limited.

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Speaker 7: Well it does sound like it.

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Speaker 4: And that voice right there is doctor Danny Gordon. She

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Speaker 4: is a double board certified medical doctor and one of

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Speaker 4: the world's leading expert in clinical cannabinoid medicine. After treating

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Speaker 4: thousands of complex referral patients in Canada, as she says

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Speaker 4: she's from Canada. She consults widely in the UK and internationally,

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Speaker 4: sits on an advisory boards and helps set up cannabis

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Speaker 4: medicine clinics and trained physicians. She's also involved in cannabis

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Speaker 4: clinic research, nonprofit and advocacy advocacy work as as well

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Speaker 4: as drug policy reforms. Her new book, which Mark and

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Speaker 4: I read quite a bit of, is called the CBD Bible.

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Speaker 4: Welcome Doctor Danny Gordon from across the Pond in London

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Speaker 4: to Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome all right, No,

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Speaker 4: it is so awesome to have you. First off, how

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Speaker 4: did this even happen? How did we find you? Because

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Speaker 4: after reading your book and see I think it was you,

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Speaker 4: right Mark?

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Speaker 7: Did you find her? Does she find you?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? It was on via LinkedIn.

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Speaker 6: We got a we got a message on our LinkedIn

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Speaker 6: page about this awesome doctor who's an expert in cannabis

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Speaker 6: and cannabinoids and the whole nine yards. And I immediately

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Speaker 9: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 8: I went right to the sex chapter, of course, as

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Speaker 2: Well, clearly you did, doctor, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I implemented uh a higher dose of edibles in the

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Speaker 8: Oh cool, yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So wait, so let's let's specify that, because now

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Speaker 9: And I have a high tolerance high.

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Speaker 4: Didn't exist Blue, And I'm just wondering, do you think that.

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Speaker 4: doctor Danny does. Did they not talk about the cannabinoids

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Speaker 9: There was nothing, and even still now we're just seeing.

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Speaker 8: can use certain plant medicines like cannabinoids and other botanical

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Speaker 8: Finally, Well, I think there's lots of different things that

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Speaker 3: So doctor, you know, I love where you're going with this,

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Speaker 8: so we hope that that will make quite an impact.

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Speaker 8: And then there's other people from Professor Nuts group who

443
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Speaker 8: are working on other data, cost effectiveness data, which is

444
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Speaker 8: really important to get governments to adopt this in a

445
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Speaker 8: public health system.

446
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Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, and I not to labored

447
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 5: the anecdotal evidence because we use that quite a bit,

448
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Speaker 5: and I want to make sure we're using it in

449
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Speaker 5: the proper context. When I'm reading your bio and I'm

450
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Speaker 5: reading about Project twenty twenty one. It basically is a

451
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Speaker 5: registry that aims to enroll twenty thousand patients by the

452
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Speaker 5: end of twenty twenty one and create the largest body

453
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Speaker 5: of evidence for the effectiveness and tolerability of medical cannabis.

454
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Speaker 5: So is that not patients going into a registry and

455
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Speaker 5: saying I did this, I did that, I'm better now?

456
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Speaker 8: Is yes, in a controlled way? So those are patients

457
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Speaker 8: who have seen a specialist doctor here in the UK,

458
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Speaker 8: many of who I've mentored and trained actually, because it's

459
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Speaker 8: quite new here steal for medical cannabis specifically, and they've

460
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Speaker 8: had what's called the called invalidated questionnaire tools. So basically

461
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Speaker 8: it's a really specific way of asking people questions about

462
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Speaker 8: how they're responding to a therapy. So it's been done

463
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Speaker 8: in a medical clinic context, and it's been collected in

464
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Speaker 8: a really rigorous fashion and really kind of controlled specific way,

465
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Speaker 8: and that makes the data more valuable because we can

466
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Speaker 8: know more that know more about the data's trustworthiness, so

467
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Speaker 8: to speak. So yeah, that is really the goal of

468
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Speaker 8: the project and hopefully we will be able to meet

469
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Speaker 8: those numbers.

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Speaker 5: As opposed to as opposed to I took cannabis, I

471
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Speaker 5: feel better, Right, that's anecdotal. I'm guessing that's that's why

472
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Speaker 5: that that's why it's not controlled. You don't have your

473
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Speaker 5: your your your questionneers that have been you know at length,

474
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Speaker 5: you know, come up with and put in different category.

475
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Speaker 7: Doctor Danny.

476
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Speaker 4: At the beginning of your book, you actually used the

477
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Speaker 4: word you had a lot of patients give you anecdotal evidence.

478
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Speaker 7: And I've seen that word. I almost called you when

479
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 7: I was reading the book, going dude.

480
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Speaker 4: She used anecdotal evidence in her book, So, well, that's

481
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Speaker 4: probably are it's starting.

482
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Speaker 9: You know, you have to remember it. So you have

483
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Speaker 9: to start somewhere.

484
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 8: Every breakthrough in medicine over thousands of years has started

485
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 8: with a case report, someone saying this worked for me,

486
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 8: and then you say, well, why why did it work?

487
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 8: Is it going to work for the next person? The

488
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 8: same way, and you just kind of work your way

489
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Speaker 8: back and back and back. But you have to start somewhere.

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Speaker 6: I got a question about smoking cannabis because we've seen.

491
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Speaker 5: Study that it's harmful for your lungs.

492
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Speaker 6: There's studies that it's good for your lungs.

493
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Speaker 5: What's what's comment on that and your take on that?

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Speaker 8: So the evidence is what we call conflicted, which means

495
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Speaker 8: we don't really know, which is of course something we're

496
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Speaker 8: not sure.

497
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Speaker 9: We just don't. We just don't say that we know.

498
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Speaker 8: But yeah, so basically what I tell my patients is

499
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Speaker 8: when you burn any plant material, it's generally not so

500
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Speaker 8: great for the lungs because it creates you know, burned material,

501
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 8: it creates inflammatory compounds, that kind of thing. But cannabis

502
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Speaker 8: is a plant, of course, I'll so has a lot

503
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Speaker 8: of anti inflammatory compounds too, So that's why we think

504
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Speaker 8: we don't see the same.

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Speaker 9: Rates of lung cancer and.

506
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Speaker 8: Lung disease that we see with cigarette smoking that we

507
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Speaker 8: do with with you know, smoking cannabis. But for medical

508
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Speaker 8: and wellness purposes then of course I always recommend people

509
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Speaker 8: use a vaporizer and use the lowest temperature setting that

510
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Speaker 8: they can find helps them. Now, of course some people

511
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Speaker 8: find that the higher temperature settings, because you get different

512
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Speaker 8: cannabinoid kind of vaporising off at different temperatures, might be

513
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Speaker 8: more effective for their pain. But I always have them

514
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Speaker 8: to start at a lower temperature and then work their

515
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Speaker 8: way up for harm reduction type stuff.

516
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Speaker 3: You know, in your professional opinion, what do you think

517
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Speaker 3: the best way to to ingest it is or to

518
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Speaker 3: take in cannabis? I mean, is it going to be smoking,

519
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Speaker 3: is it going to be that you know, the tinctures

520
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Speaker 3: or you know, what do you what do you think

521
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Speaker 3: the future of it looks like.

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Speaker 8: Again, for the medical side and the wellness side, certainly

523
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Speaker 8: there's avariety of ways to take it depending on what

524
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Speaker 8: effect you want to have. So for someone who has

525
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Speaker 8: a chronic condition that they need constant relief and they

526
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Speaker 8: might have been on opioid painkillers before, I want them

527
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Speaker 8: on a low level of like a long acting formula.

528
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Speaker 8: So that could be something like a tincture they take

529
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Speaker 8: by mouth. That could be a patch that's transdermal through

530
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Speaker 8: the skin, which is kind of a newer technology that's

531
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Speaker 8: coming out now, but it's pretty new Stoll. That could

532
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Speaker 8: be some of these high tech formulations that come in

533
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Speaker 8: a pill form that are kind of tecked up to

534
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Speaker 8: release the kannabinoids more slowly into a bloodstream. And then

535
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Speaker 8: after that, when people have pain crises or they have

536
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Speaker 8: muscle spasm and they need immediate relief. Then the inhaled way.

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Speaker 9: Is really effective because it's on set. It's like five minutes.

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Speaker 8: So you inhale the cannabis five minutes later, usually you

539
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Speaker 8: will have an effect. So usually I say baseline of

540
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Speaker 8: long acting just like most drugs actually for pain control

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Speaker 8: and then for rescue.

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Speaker 9: There inhales is very effective.

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Speaker 4: So so many patients. You've seen thousands of them. And

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Speaker 4: now I want to sit in doctor Danny Gordon's office

545
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Speaker 4: and say your patient is Joke Rende And I've had

546
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Speaker 4: two hip surgeries.

547
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Speaker 7: I have a bad ankle, doctor Gordon.

548
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Speaker 4: And when I say I have a bad ankle I've

549
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Speaker 4: been scheduled for surgery on it because I cracked it

550
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: in eighth grade. It's been ongoing. I now have arthritis

551
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Speaker 4: and my hips. I've been currently using CBD on a

552
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 4: daily basis and cream. My pain level went from I

553
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 4: would say that it's worse about an eight to a

554
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Speaker 4: consistent three to four.

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Speaker 7: You know.

556
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Speaker 4: And I live and I walk, and I buckle sometimes

557
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Speaker 4: when I'm walking, I have a legal handicapped sticker, and

558
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Speaker 4: I'm just wondering, you know, being an old athlete, you know,

559
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 4: forty eight and I played football, rugby, about every sport

560
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: you can imagine wrestling growing up. Is there anything else

561
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: that I should be consuming besides the daily use of CBD?

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Speaker 7: And is there a.

563
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Speaker 4: Special CBD that I should be using a different ratio

564
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Speaker 4: because I'm using pretty much, you know, point zero three

565
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Speaker 4: on the THIGHTC side, and I'm using the cream that

566
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 4: does have THC. So that's kind of my proto call.

567
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Speaker 4: I'm wondering if I can get a consult back.

568
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Speaker 5: Now wait, wait, you forgot about the worst problem you have.

569
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Speaker 4: Having you next to me, I was gonna say the

570
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 4: thing that's wrong with your brain doctor?

571
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Speaker 2: Before you answer that doctor did ask them? Please ask

572
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Speaker 2: them for his cope.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't work in London.

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Speaker 8: Medical advice on social media, as I have to say

575
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Speaker 8: many times. But if you were my patient and you

576
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 8: came to me, this is a really typical pain consultation

577
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 8: that I would receive. So it really depends on quite

578
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 8: a few factors. The first one is more from a

579
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Speaker 8: legal perspective.

580
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 9: Do you have to do a.

581
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Speaker 8: Safety sense of his job during the day, Because if

582
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Speaker 8: answer is yes, then the THC being.

583
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Speaker 9: Kept really low is probably important for most people.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I should add a couple more things, Doctor Danny.

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Speaker 4: I've also been sober twenty two plus years, so I've

586
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Speaker 4: been kind of negligent on you know, coming anything with

587
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: a higher level. I should have put that in my

588
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: consultation as well, and I had the two surgeries.

589
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's why i've been you know.

590
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Speaker 4: But but I'm not opposed to doing it from a

591
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: medical standpoint. If it's going to help with my inflammation

592
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 4: as it gets worse, sometimes I don't want it gets colder, exactly.

593
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 4: I'm not opposed it for the medical standpoint. I'm just

594
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: I'm not but I am for myself opposed to just

595
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 4: use it to feel.

596
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 7: Better during the day or at night.

597
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 4: I don't want to just feel better at night and

598
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 4: smoke a joint or something, you know. I mean, I

599
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 4: want to feel better because I use it for medicine.

600
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 4: I use it for pain relief. So I should have

601
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: elaborated I did, right.

602
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 8: That's it's a great and that's actually a part of.

603
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 9: Our intake form.

604
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 8: So by the Canadian practice that I was a part of,

605
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Speaker 8: that's part of our intake is risk of cannabis addiction,

606
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 8: past history of other you know, substance use or misuse,

607
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 8: because it helps us kind of counsel the patient sitting

608
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 8: in front of us. So if I have someone who

609
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 8: has been sober and they've had a past history with

610
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Speaker 8: any substance, especially if it was cannabis, but it could

611
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 8: be alcohol, it could.

612
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 9: Be cocaine, whatever it was.

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00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, so we call it polysubstance. So you know,

614
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Speaker 8: in a harm reduction capacity, we would want to start

615
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Speaker 8: with exactly what you're currently doing with that kind of

616
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 8: hemp level of high CBD, really low THFC. Now it

617
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 8: gets trickier because people are not too dimensional. So if

618
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Speaker 8: I have a patient I've had this before in my

619
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Speaker 8: clinic that comes to me and they already have to

620
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Speaker 8: take prescription opioids and they've had a history of struggling

621
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Speaker 8: with substances, I want to get them off the opioids

622
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Speaker 8: right at least want to be able to slowly reduce

623
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Speaker 8: them down. And that's when we usually talk about how

624
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 8: bad is their pain, and oftentimes they're often medicating with

625
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Speaker 8: substances like alcohol to help their pain and to help

626
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Speaker 8: them get to sleep because they're in pay all the

627
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 8: time and it can't sleep.

628
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Speaker 9: So it's this whole matrix that gets quite tricky.

629
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Speaker 8: And we have to sit down and we have to

630
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Speaker 8: say what's the least harmful thing to do here? And

631
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Speaker 8: sometimes we do use medical cannabis with THHC higher amounts,

632
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 8: but I always buffer it with a lot of CBB,

633
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 8: so the ratio is still quite high, and I.

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00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 9: Usually tell people please don't smoke it, and usually.

635
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Speaker 8: Not inhaled if there's a past history of misuse or

636
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 8: a really strong family history of addiction, because some people's

637
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 8: brains are wired for that dopamine, that that feel good

638
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 8: reward chemical from any chemical, including cannabis, so that is

639
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 8: a factor we need better paying control, especially if they're

640
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Speaker 8: having to self medicate with alcohol or.

641
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 9: Strong sleeping pills or opioids.

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Speaker 8: Then we start by keeping this CBD really high because

643
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Speaker 8: we think that actually buffers the risk of addiction in

644
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 8: the preliminary research, which is super cool. And then we

645
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Speaker 8: add usually in the night time before they go to

646
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Speaker 8: a baseline of a long acting one to one, so

647
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 8: half CBD half THHC oil or tincture that's going to

648
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Speaker 8: be slow release, so they don't get the same reward

649
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 8: to the brain, but they're getting that baseline pain relief

650
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 8: that the THHD can bring.

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Speaker 9: So that's usually my approach, and you know.

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Speaker 8: Oftentimes I'm working with a psychiatrist who's involved or a

653
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 8: psychologist who's involved in their care.

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Speaker 9: So it's really this multi dimensional team approach.

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Speaker 4: Well Blue my psychiatrist semi therapist. So do you think

656
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Speaker 4: a one to one would work good for doctor Daniel?

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Speaker 3: You know, I think I think the reality behind it

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Speaker 3: is is that I think it can help, you know,

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Speaker 3: even for people that have addiction personality, as long as

660
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Speaker 3: they understand what they're going into, you know, and don't

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00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: turn it into a slippery slope, because again you can

662
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Speaker 3: go get one day, no quick fix, and that's what

663
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Speaker 3: want the quick fix, right and and what and what

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Speaker 3: she is prescribing though is something far from that quick exactly.

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Speaker 5: It's it really shows how because we've been told by

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Speaker 5: other experts in the past that you know, that's a

667
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Speaker 5: concert effect with the CBD and the THC and the

668
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Speaker 5: THCA and all the different sub CBDs and THCs and

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Speaker 5: that really so this really shows by the you know,

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Speaker 5: taking a tinsture that slow release, so over the course

671
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 5: of the evening or however long, it's you know, it's

672
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 5: starting to work, not taking that hit and go oh

673
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 5: and then that could trigger your addiction and it could

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Speaker 5: be a gateway back into the crack.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I would, yeah, exactly, And I don't think

676
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Speaker 4: that cannabis is the quote unquote gateway. But I just

677
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Speaker 4: know for me personally, I like taking my advice was

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Speaker 4: correct me if I'm wrong, doctor Danny. What I really

679
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 4: heard from that is taking a one to one at

680
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: night is probably the best hinkster. Tinkster is that I

681
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: just WASO hoping one to one. I just get one

682
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 4: one and it's.

683
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 7: All party together, go home with one in one person.

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Speaker 4: I don't care who it is, but oh one, sorry

685
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 4: that we have to have fun still, right?

686
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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 4: But doctor Danny, correct me if I'm wrong. From everything

688
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 4: you said, that was very great to hear. I took

689
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Speaker 4: from it trying what I'm doing now during the day,

690
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Speaker 4: but a one to one at night before I go

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Speaker 4: to bed.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I would say just do it under medical supervision,

693
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Speaker 8: because if that's the history, you want someone being able

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Speaker 8: to monitor from an objective point of view. So when

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00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 8: I prescribe for patients with that kind of history, I'm

696
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 8: monitoring them really closely. What's going on, what's going on

697
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 8: with their cravings? Tomorrow to other people involved. They usually

698
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 8: I always have to usually have a psychiatrist assess them

699
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 8: as well, so I'm really careful because of course everyone

700
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 8: has a different threshold. I have colleagues who are a

701
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 8: little bit more cavalier, but they have had the occasional not.

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00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 9: So good outcome.

703
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 8: It's not common. But I am much more conservative, I think.

704
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 8: But I've never had someone and get addicted to the

705
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 8: medical cannabis I've prescribed for them. So everyone has their

706
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 8: own way of practicing, but that's my way to be

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Speaker 8: very cautious. Keep the CBD really high. So even if

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Speaker 8: you add THC, still really keep the CBD really high

709
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 8: dose because it seems to buffer that kind of addictive response.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I was always you know,

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Speaker 3: telling Joe's I think he should if he does do

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00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: it's just microdose, you know, come in very very very slow,

714
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 3: very very slow, very very slight.

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00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: I like to think at night because it makes sense

716
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 4: if I still stay high on the CBD all day

717
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: like I do, and then I just take it at night,

718
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Speaker 4: which will help me go to bed, because I have

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Speaker 4: a hard time going to sleep at night as well, right,

720
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Speaker 4: So that would be I think that's that's a great

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00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: advice actually, but I think again.

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Speaker 5: But I think the point is though that the slow

723
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 5: release is not necessarily going to help you sleep. I

724
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 5: may be wrong, but you're getting the you're getting the

725
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 5: medicinal value of the THC. That's not getting you high.

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Speaker 2: Right, there's exactly you know. I'd be very.

727
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 8: Kenny Bow actually because PHC can be more sus sensitive

728
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 8: for many people, but some people it's the strain effect

729
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 8: as well. So for example, if you end up trying

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Speaker 8: the strategy and you try a one to one from

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00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 8: a certain strain and you feel wired, it light the

732
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 8: terpene profile, it might be the other cannabinoids in there,

733
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 8: because you don't know everything yet. So I've had that

734
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 8: happen to patience. So I always tell them to listen,

735
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 8: this should be calling. But you feel wired, you need

736
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 8: to come back and tell me because you need.

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Speaker 2: This was the strain right.

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Speaker 3: Well, guys, it's Cannabis Talk one on one. We're talking

739
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Speaker 3: to doctor Danny Gordon, the world famous doctor Danny Gordon,

740
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Speaker 3: and we'll be right back after this break.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one to one here with

742
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 5: Joe Grande, Blue Me and my brother the Pop Brothers

743
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 5: at Law and doctor Danny Gordon with a great interview

744
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 5: so far. She's author of the of the CBD Bible,

745
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 5: the CBD Bible, and we're hearing from what we're hearing

746
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 5: from her, she has every right to write the CBD vibe.

747
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 7: I mean, she speaks truth.

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Speaker 4: Not only that she was the youngest doctor to become

749
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 4: the American Board Certified and Integrated and Holistic Medicine, she

750
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 4: joins cannabis from anecdotal evidence. And because of this anecdotal evidence,

751
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 4: right now, I'm about to point out to you, doctor Danny.

752
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: You heard me just say, Mark, bring us back in.

753
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 4: But Mark's already smoked three joints during this interview when

754
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 4: we're doing this, do you think this anecdotal evidence prove

755
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 4: Hold on, Mark, don't make me turn you off.

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Speaker 2: Don't make me turn you off.

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00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 7: Please.

758
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 4: So I'm asking you, doctor Danny, do you think he's

759
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: either stupid deaf or because he smoked three joints, he

760
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 4: didn't cut her hand when I said Mark bring us

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00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 4: back that he normally.

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Speaker 7: I'm talking to doctor Danney.

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Speaker 5: Mark. Hey, Hey, hey, languageuage little brother. Language.

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Speaker 4: Can I talk to doctor Danny and ask her a question.

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Speaker 4: So I'm asking you, doctor Danny, what you just witnessed?

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Speaker 4: Do you think that that was because you know what, Joe?

767
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: I want to let me ask doctor Danny this.

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Speaker 7: I want to know the answer.

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Speaker 5: How old were you when you started.

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Speaker 8: When I started in medicine? I well, my first degree,

771
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Speaker 8: I started when I was seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 8: And then I got into medical school when I was

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00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 8: funny to turning twenty one, So I started pretty early.

775
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: How did you get involved in becoming a doctor so young?

777
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 4: Where did this drive come from?

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00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 9: I don't know.

779
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 8: I was a weird kid. I was always really driven. Yeah,

780
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 8: I was. I was that weird, nerdy kid.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 5: I want to ask you so awesome though, before before

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00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 5: we get to the high five, I want to ask

784
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 5: you a question for myself and a lot of our listeners.

785
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 5: If I want to get CBD, you know, HEMP derived CBD,

786
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 5: what you can get anywhere, everywhere, all over the world,

787
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 5: how do I look to see if it's good or

788
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 5: if it's if it's snake oil, if it's you know,

789
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 5: there's no real best practices.

790
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: I don't it ever works for me?

791
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 5: So how how do you know you're getting something that's

792
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 5: you know, that's decent or good or or is there

793
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 5: top shelf.

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00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 8: I always tell people, and I talk about this a

796
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 8: lot in the book, because it is a question that's

797
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 8: so important. It's it's a tricky one because you know,

798
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 8: there's a lot of brands that do things really well,

799
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 8: but there's a lot of brands that don't. So the

800
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 8: safest thing to do is look for what's called the

801
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 8: CooA from a product or certificate of analysis, which means

802
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 8: that that product has been tested by a third party,

803
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 8: independent scientific laboratory to say, hey, yes, it has this

804
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 8: much CBD in it, just like we said it did,

805
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 8: and it doesn't have any of this other stuff that

806
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 8: we said it didn't have in it, like heavy metals

807
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 8: or high THC. If you're looking for a hand product,

808
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 8: for example, and just use a reputable brand and look

809
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 8: for those things.

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Speaker 5: One more question, how did the No. I don't know

811
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 5: if it affects you where you're over where you are,

812
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 5: but the DEA changed the rules on hamp here in

813
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 5: calif in the United States. Have you heard about that?

814
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 8: I don't. I can't say I know much about that

815
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 8: at the moment. No, because it's different over here. And

816
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 8: different in Canada as well.

817
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 5: They're counting the I think it's the the I forget

818
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 5: about the mark. Do you know what the Delta eight. Yeah,

819
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Speaker 5: they're counting.

820
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Speaker 8: They're counting down to eight now as as an illegal class.

821
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Speaker 2: One correct rights, which actually gets fear over.

822
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Speaker 5: A lot of the point zero three is where the

823
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Speaker 5: Delta eight wasn't counted. Point three, big brother, point point three.

824
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Delta eight is huge right now.

825
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: I mean in smoke shops, it's everywhere, and it's getting

826
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: people completely high.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure there's a lot of medical Delta eight.

828
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Speaker 5: No, Delta eight doesn't get your high, doesn't.

829
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Speaker 8: Delta is mildless, more psychoap well, psycho memetic, which is

830
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 8: a really scientific, fancy word of it can make you

831
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 8: feel high, but of course that's really subjective, and it's

832
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 8: it's less strong than Delton nine.

833
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 7: Delta is the.

834
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Speaker 2: One that's going, yeah everywhere.

835
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, it's actually Delta nine that they're showing

836
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 3: it everywhere.

837
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: Now.

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00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Delta nine is now being sold all throughout like

839
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 3: smoke shops everywhere here locally, you take it.

840
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 8: Delta nine is I'm sorry, Delta A is the metabolite

841
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 8: of THHC. That is now it sounds like the DA

842
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 8: is taking issue with that's more mildly psycho mimetic, psychoactive. Well,

843
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 8: they're all psychoactives, psychomometic. But it's yeah, I mean, it's

844
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Speaker 8: who knows what's going to happen with this legislation. I

845
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 8: mean in Europe right now they're talking about making CBD

846
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 8: classes are narcotic again, which is completely insane, insane.

847
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 5: It's all over the world.

848
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: It's insane, and it just helps everybody out. We're talking

849
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Speaker 4: to doctor Danny Gordon, her book, The CBD Bible. I'm

850
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 4: just curious, doctor or Danny Gordon. As you're in London,

851
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 4: you grew up in Germany.

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00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 7: All the studies that we've.

853
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 4: Been seeing coming out lived in Canada.

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00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 7: Oh you live in Canada. Now, my bad, I thought

855
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 7: you she grew up in Canada. Sorry, grew up in Canada.

856
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 8: I actually up in the US, but I'm from Canada.

857
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 8: My medical practice is there. I have a transplant.

858
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 9: But yes, okay.

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00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 4: So my question is, though, all this research that's been

860
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 4: going on in Israel, and all the research that you've

861
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 4: done for the CBD Bible, how do you utilize and

862
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 4: look at all that stuff, because from our standpoint, I

863
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 4: would say everybody on our team is amazed by what

864
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 4: Israel is doing and how they are, in our opinion,

865
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Speaker 4: the forefront of what research is. But yet, of course

866
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Speaker 4: in America and I don't know what they do there

867
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 4: in London or Europe for that matter, do they take

868
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 4: Israel's research into consideration and what is your thoughts on it?

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00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 8: A great question. There's so much great research coming out

870
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 8: of Israel, and the nice thing about what we're seeing

871
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 8: there is they're allowing a lot of these clinical teaching

872
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 8: hospitals to become involved so you have access to patients.

873
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 9: So it's really a partnership.

874
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 8: Between industry who are making the products, and the academic

875
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 8: groups and in the hospital, so they're getting a lot

876
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 8: of clinical data which is so valuable.

877
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 9: So I yes, I value that so much. Now in

878
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 9: the UK, what.

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00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 8: We're seeing legislatively, on the legal side and on the

880
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 8: government side is there's a bit of an obsession around

881
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 8: UK data.

882
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 9: So if the study is done in Germany or said

883
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 9: in Israel, then they they don't take as much into consideration.

884
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 8: With some of these uh, these government bodies that are

885
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 8: you know, trying to we're trying to get them to regulate,

886
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 8: you know, to allow it as a medicine and prescribed

887
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 8: on the public system for example. So my answer is

888
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 8: any good research should be considered no matter what country

889
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 8: is doing it, but some jurisdictions.

890
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 9: Prefer their own, uh studies from their own area.

891
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: First, well, guys, it's cannabis talk going on, and it's

892
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 2: I'm for the High five.

893
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 7: Yes it is.

894
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 4: And I got to tell you, doctor Danny Gordon, everything

895
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: you've been saying has been so interesting, and knowing that

896
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 4: you're the youngest doctor to do that, I like how

897
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 4: you called yourself a nerd.

898
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 7: Like that. I think that's cool.

899
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: I think it's inspiring for a lot of people out there,

900
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 4: let alone young ladies, to go out there and learn

901
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: as much as you can and you know, get some

902
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 4: more research because you know, I think the research is

903
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 4: the key. Once we have that research, that's what's going

904
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 4: to change it all for us. And now it's time

905
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: for the High five with doctor Danny. Question number one,

906
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 4: how old are you? How old were you the first

907
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 4: time you smoked weed? And where'd you get it from?

908
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 9: Oh?

909
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 8: I knew I was going to give this question out

910
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 8: here the first time. Excuse me.

911
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 9: The first time I smoked weed, I was, let me think,

912
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 9: I have to really think about this.

913
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 8: Twenty two, twenty two and this. I know it's shocking,

914
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 8: but you got to remember. I grew up in the

915
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 8: States in the War on Drugs era, so I was

916
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 8: petrified of cannabis.

917
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 9: And all my friends smoked cannabis in high school. I

918
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 9: was one of the only ones, but I was nurse

919
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 9: my brain.

920
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: Where'd you grow up in California?

921
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 8: I know I grew up in South Carolina.

922
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 5: We're all missed that.

923
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 7: We don't know where she's from.

924
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 5: California, look like a California girl. And where'd you get

925
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 5: it from?

926
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 8: I got it from? Well, I don't know. If I

927
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 8: said I got it from a friend. I'm not going

928
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 8: to out her a friend who She was just like,

929
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 8: I can't believe.

930
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 9: You've never tried cannabis. Is ridiculous.

931
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 8: So she's like, come over, and I willed to join,

932
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 8: and we're going to watch Sex and the City and

933
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 8: so we did, and of course I just laughed the

934
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 8: whole time, and I thought it was great. But it's funny.

935
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 8: I never really I didn't do it again for years.

936
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 8: I just not really into recreational cannabis. It was fun

937
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 8: and I could understand.

938
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 9: How people liked it.

939
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 8: We ate some chips, like it was very stereotypical, we

940
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 8: ate potato chips.

941
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 5: And get to that next.

942
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Speaker 8: And the reason she was using it actually is because

943
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 8: she had an autoimmune condition and she was finding he

944
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 8: was helping her inflammation. And this is before we really

945
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 8: knew any of that stuff.

946
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 9: She was just like, I really find it helps, Like

947
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 9: I think it helps my jointst.

948
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Speaker 8: So, yeah, that was my first experienced smoking cannabis. And

949
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Speaker 8: you know, since then, it's honestly, I've only tried.

950
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Speaker 9: I've only smoked K cannabis a few times. I can

951
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 9: almost say that. I know that sounds so boring.

952
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 8: It's good for me, you know, I'm just not I'm

953
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 8: not drawn to TC as a substance necessarily, but I

954
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 8: have friends who just love it. They use it instead

955
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 8: of alcohol, and I think it has less harmful effects

956
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 8: on the brave of alcohol.

957
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 7: Alcohol. And now he just smokes more.

958
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 5: Question number two, When you do use cannabis, what's your

959
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 5: favorite way to do it?

960
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 9: Oh?

961
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 8: Sorry, when I do use cannabis, I would say, well,

962
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 8: I use CBD oil. What's my favorite it depends, I guess,

963
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 8: so topically, I actually like the step with CBD and

964
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 8: THHC for my hand, but I can't get it in

965
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 8: the UK, so when I'm in North America, I use

966
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 8: a topical with both. In the UK, I use HAMP

967
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 8: products because they're just legal here, and same with you know,

968
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 8: for stress, like I'm having a particularly heavy week, I

969
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 8: find a really good dose of CBD, even from HAMPS

970
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 8: is really helpful, and I use it before I start meditating,

971
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 8: so I have a meditation practice. It sounds very boring,

972
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 8: but that is basically how I use it. And as

973
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 8: far as other times I've used THHC, the few times

974
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 8: I have found it really helpful is when I've flown

975
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 8: across the pond over to North America to the States,

976
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Speaker 8: and I found when it's the jet legs situation, a

977
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 8: little bit of a THC edible is really really helpful

978
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 8: for me for jet like it just helped me fall asleep.

979
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 9: So that's the other way I've used on the THHC

980
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 9: side before.

981
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 3: Very good question number three of the high five I

982
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: have with doctor Danny Gordon, Craziest place you've ever used

983
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 3: or smoked cannabis?

984
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 8: Well, I have to say about on the cannabis smoker,

985
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 8: so got used.

986
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 2: It, used it or.

987
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 8: Smoked it, used it or smoked it?

988
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: Crazy place?

989
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 8: I would say probably at the medical conference, because when

990
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 8: I got the sample of the ale in California, which

991
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 8: is legal, I was putting it on my hand as

992
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 8: I was, you know, at this really conventional medical conference

993
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 8: for a week, and I was telling everyone about it,

994
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 8: and yeah, I guess that's kind of crazy because I

995
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 8: was the only one using it.

996
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 9: It kind of smelled pretty cannabisy.

997
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 4: The only doctor there going, wait a minute, are you smoking?

998
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 6: Doctor Danny Gordon, double board certified medical doctor. Question number

999
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 6: four of the Cannabis Talk one on one high five,

1000
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 6: what is your go to munchies when you get on it?

1001
00:48:59,120 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 9: Oh?

1002
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 8: Well, my god, too much? He's In general, I would say,

1003
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 8: rather than being high, because it's so few and far between,

1004
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 8: I would have to say Ben and Jerry's vegan ice

1005
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 8: cream with the brownie pieces.

1006
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 7: The brownie pieces, I love it. And now with the

1007
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 7: monkeys exactly.

1008
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, the pregnancy monch's got

1009
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 4: you eating that more often than not nowadays.

1010
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 8: Exactly like every day.

1011
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: Congratulations on that. The boy or girl it's a boy. Yeah,

1012
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: are you naming them blue?

1013
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 8: We do have the name, but we're keeping it a

1014
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 8: bit quiet because it's a bit of a hippie name,

1015
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 8: so we don't want any like it from the family

1016
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 8: until it's already too late.

1017
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 4: Awesome, Well, don't do a reveal party where you have

1018
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 4: an electronic thing, because out here in California.

1019
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 5: That's the biggest fire ever.

1020
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 7: They had a that's going on right now. Huge. Did

1021
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 7: you guys see that out there? This is awful from

1022
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 7: a reveal party of the birth.

1023
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: Of the baby, and that's the big fire that's going on.

1024
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 4: They to reveal like a machine that when something went off,

1025
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, fireworks.

1026
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1027
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: Question number five with doctor Danny Gordon.

1028
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 4: If you could smoke weed with anyone dead or alive,

1029
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 4: who would it be?

1030
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 7: And why?

1031
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 8: Oh man, this is a good one. Who am I

1032
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 8: going to choose? Do they have to?

1033
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 9: Does the other person have to smoke weeder?

1034
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 5: Anybody whatever?

1035
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 7: They could be dead live, smoke whatever anybody live.

1036
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 8: I would love to smoke weed with Albert Einstein if

1037
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 8: I had to choose, because I'm a huge science nerd

1038
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 8: and you know, a lot of his discoveries supposedly were

1039
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 8: potentially psychedelically induced, not probably with cannabis, but potentially with

1040
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 8: Elsie or something else, which is another area of interest

1041
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 8: for me, is psychedelic medicine.

1042
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 9: So that would be my choice.

1043
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 4: Nice, you know, And I got another question going back

1044
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 4: to just you know, your book and all the research

1045
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: that you've done. Because your book, for those who are interested,

1046
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 4: you can go out and check out our book called

1047
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 4: the CBD Bible, and you can find it on Amazon

1048
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 4: or wherever you get your book set. But once again,

1049
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 4: the CBD Bible, in your research in stuff that you've done,

1050
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 4: have you noticed anybody that over consumes cannabis and it

1051
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 4: doesn't affect them the same way?

1052
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 8: Definitely, Some people just have different thresholds. So some person

1053
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 8: can say the same amount of grams per day and

1054
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 8: be intoxicated or have potentially an unhealthy relationship with cannabis,

1055
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 8: and then the next person can see the same amount

1056
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 8: and feel that it makes them more normally.

1057
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 9: And a lot of times there's some really.

1058
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 8: Back chronic pain patients or patients who are potentially not

1059
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 8: neurologically I say normal, but you know, yeah, what we've

1060
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 8: considered medically normalized that feel more normal when they smoke cannabis.

1061
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 4: So if someone's doing five thousand milligrams a day to

1062
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 4: go to bed, would that be something that they should

1063
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 4: just consistently go higher on? Are something that is normal?

1064
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 8: I start with one milligram to one milligrams and in

1065
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 8: older in like older adults like over the age of

1066
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 8: sixty five, but two milligrams in.

1067
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 9: Adults, Well, I have.

1068
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 5: Someone doing all someone doing that high levels every day.

1069
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 5: Is we've heard people talk about reset, reset your body.

1070
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 5: Does it really help to like not smoke for three

1071
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 5: four days and yeah, yeah.

1072
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 8: There there's there's wash up protocols which would take me

1073
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 8: an hour to go into. But basically, the more you

1074
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 8: smoke more consistently, it takes longer for your.

1075
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 9: Body to get rid of the THC.

1076
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 8: So if if you know, if I smoke THHC, can

1077
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 8: I barely ever smoke it? It would just leave my

1078
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 8: body a lot faster than someone who smokes it every day, which,

1079
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 8: of course I always I get the occasional call over

1080
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 8: here with someone who's flown to the to the United

1081
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 8: Area of Emirates or something terrible, and they smoked cannabis

1082
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 8: maybe at a party twenty days ago, and.

1083
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 9: They just got tested at the airport.

1084
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 8: It's still in their bloodstream and they're arrested.

1085
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 9: So it's so variable.

1086
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 2: They test you at the airport, if.

1087
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 8: You get taken aside, you can be tested in a

1088
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 8: lot of.

1089
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 3: And if you have it in your system, I'm not

1090
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 3: going there.

1091
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 2: What a second, you're arrested.

1092
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 5: That's an Arab country.

1093
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 9: That's in an air country, so there's different laws over there.

1094
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 8: So of course, wow, that little brother can't go anywhere.

1095
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: Ever.

1096
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm always counseling them on their travel and these

1097
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 8: are the legal things we have to make our patients

1098
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 8: aware of.

1099
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: As you point that out, and as you mentioned the RESET,

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Speaker 4: And I'm just wondering, Danny, when you've had any patients

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Speaker 4: that of research did the research on the reset? Has

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Speaker 4: there been any type of protocols that they have, any

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Speaker 4: type of you know, jonesing, relapsed feeling like, is there

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Speaker 4: some things that have happened withdrawals?

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Speaker 7: Thank you, anything like that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there is a cannabis withdrawal of syndrome. It usually

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Speaker 8: comes from THC and it's variable from person to person.

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Speaker 8: It usually doesn't last anywhere longer than fourteen days, usually

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Speaker 8: seven and light occasional users but it can make people

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Speaker 8: feel irritable, have more trouble sleeping. So yeah, it's part

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Speaker 8: of the discussion when I give someone medical cannabis that

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Speaker 8: that can happen because we actually remember just because it's natural.

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Speaker 8: I mean, belladonna is natural.

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Speaker 9: There's lots of natural things that can kill you.

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Speaker 8: So I think it's important to be really transparent, you know,

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Speaker 8: with people that this. Of course, there's going to be

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Speaker 8: potential downsides, especially when you start pushing to THC higher.

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Speaker 7: Well Mark, I hoped that was beneficial to hear about

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Speaker 7: a friend of mine.

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Speaker 2: Well doctor, you know.

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Speaker 3: I Before we get out of here, you know, first

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Speaker 3: of all, I want to thank you for being on

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Speaker 3: the show and sharing so much education and all the

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Speaker 3: research you've done and dealing with your patients, and congratulations

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Speaker 3: on your book.

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Speaker 2: And obviously you're newborn. We're excited to hear.

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Speaker 3: Soon to be Blue, you know, your new child, baby

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Speaker 3: baby Blue out of London. Is there anything else that

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Speaker 3: you'd like to you know, get out there to the

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Speaker 3: audience before we let you go here.

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Speaker 9: Thanks we covering most of it, but just thank you

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Speaker 9: so much for having me.

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Speaker 8: Guys.

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Speaker 9: It was such a fun show.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely and Helpe you spread the word out there in

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Speaker 4: London because we're very well listened to in the UK,

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Speaker 4: so we're looking for you to you know, branch us

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Speaker 4: out even more.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 8: Actually, one of my friends has just launched a new

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Speaker 8: project that I am advising.

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Speaker 9: On called can Cards, so I actually told her to

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Speaker 9: reach out to you.

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Speaker 8: So she's basically working with the Police Commissioner with one

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Speaker 8: of our MP's every year with a few of US

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Speaker 8: doctors to help patients you have to criminalize themselves basically

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Speaker 8: to access cannabis.

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Speaker 9: Illegally for a medical purpose to not be arrested.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, I've told her we're going to spread the word.

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Speaker 2: Nice, fantastic.

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Speaker 5: You have a great rest of the day out there.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Night n you guys too, well, thank you for joining

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Speaker 3: us as Cannabis Talk one on one.

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Speaker 2: Remember this. If no one else loves you, we do.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to another podcast of Cannabis Talk one

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