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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge podcast presented by DraftKings. I'm Garrett

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Speaker 1: Downing and I'm joined by Clifton Brown today who's sepping

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Speaker 1: in for Ryan Make And we've got some breaking news

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Speaker 1: here today and exciting afternoon in Baltimore, as the Ravens

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Speaker 1: have agreed to a trade with the Carolina Panthers in

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Speaker 1: principle to get wide receiver Deontay Johnson, adding a proven

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Speaker 1: pass catcher to this team. According to reports, it's a

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Speaker 1: pick swap. The Ravens swap fifth and sixth round picks

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Speaker 1: with the Carolina Panthers, give up for fifth, get the

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Speaker 1: six in return as well as Deontay Johnson. So an

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Speaker 1: exciting move for this offense. And just to kind of

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Speaker 1: set the stage here as we get into this conversation,

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Speaker 1: news happens fast, all right, It can happen at any point.

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Speaker 1: So we had actually recorded a podcast already looking at

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Speaker 1: the film from the game on Sunday and dissecting that

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Speaker 1: and everything that happened in that game. After we recorded that,

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Speaker 1: the Deontay Johnson news broke, So we are recording this

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Speaker 1: portion of the podcast discussing the trade, and then on

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Speaker 1: the back half of this the second half of this

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Speaker 1: it's going to be the conversation, the typical film review

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Speaker 1: with Cliff and I breaking down everything that happened from

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Speaker 1: the game on a Sunday. So, Cliff, back to Deontay

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Speaker 1: Johnson in this move, I mean, it's exciting. You get

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Speaker 1: a proven guy here, former eleven hundred yard receiver adding

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Speaker 1: him to this offense. What was your take when you

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Speaker 1: heard the news?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, liked it, adding another weapon to the wide receiver corps.

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Speaker 2: Guys you mentioned, you know, had eleven hundred yard season

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Speaker 2: so certainly, you know, not on the downside of his career.

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Speaker 2: He's also been very durable sixteen games, fifteen games, sixteen games,

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Speaker 2: seventeen games. Looking at his first four seasons. Free agent

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Speaker 2: after the season, should be motivated getting out of Carolina

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Speaker 2: joining the Ravens. I know that would make me happy

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Speaker 2: if I were him. So yeah, I think there's a

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Speaker 2: lot to like about this move. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Johnson this year thirty catches for three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: seven yards three touchdowns for the Panthers. Obviously that offense

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Speaker 1: is not like, it's not the Ravens offense. It's not

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Speaker 1: one that's putting up monster numbers this year, but you know,

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Speaker 1: he's been productive in that offense. I think that he

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Speaker 1: gives the Ravens a couple of things. He gives them

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Speaker 1: a proven guy who can make big catches and huge situations,

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Speaker 1: which you don't really ever have a shortage of need

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Speaker 1: in that regard. You also get somebody who can take

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Speaker 1: the top off the defense. He's got explosive potential, and

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Speaker 1: so it's another dynamic weapon in an offense that's already

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Speaker 1: full of them. But you add a vertical threat, and

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Speaker 1: you add a really reliable player from a health and

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Speaker 1: from a just pass catching standpoint to this offense, and

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Speaker 1: there's you can never really have too many of those guys.

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Speaker 2: No, you can't. And that's a good point about you know,

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Speaker 2: his explosiveness, you know, playing with the quarterback like Lamar

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Speaker 2: Jackson too. I mean, you know you mentioned Carolina was

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Speaker 2: struggling offense. He was one of their main weapons. Now

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Speaker 2: he joins his offense where there are so many weapons

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Speaker 2: and the opponents have the game plan for so many

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Speaker 2: other people. He should see a lot of one on

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Speaker 2: one coverage. Uh, he will be in a position where

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Speaker 2: you know all the intentions not on him, and to me,

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Speaker 2: playing with the quarterback like Lamar, that only helps him.

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Speaker 2: I mean we know him from going against the Steelers

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Speaker 2: twice a year. You know he's a guy capable of

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Speaker 2: making big plays. You know he's tough. Also in this offense,

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Speaker 2: Derek Vy's a guy who you know will throw a

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Speaker 2: the rest of these guys are. So I think he's

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Speaker 2: because they had an off game Sunday against Cleveland, you

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Speaker 2: can't discount where this team could go and just bring

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Speaker 2: hevn't forbid in that position. Now they also have a

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Speaker 2: little more depth to withstand that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that depth is is probably something you

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Speaker 1: hope you don't. You hope you don't have to go

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Speaker 1: But it's important to have that depth. And I still

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Speaker 1: along with Rasha Bateman and Zay Flowers. I think Zay

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Speaker 1: I know Bateman didn't have the best game on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: depth behind them, and there's still certainly plenty of situations.

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Speaker 1: We have three wide receivers on the field, and so

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Speaker 1: putting Deontay Johnson is the third receiver on the field,

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Speaker 1: I think just makes this offense even more explosive. Plus

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Speaker 1: So there could be situations where it's Bateman and Deontay

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Speaker 1: Recard and Henry, Like, I just think it gives you

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Speaker 1: speaks to the Ravens just looking for opportunities to improve.

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Speaker 1: And that's not like a small thing to me. They

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Speaker 1: who's looking to win that Super Bowl, who's doing everything

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Speaker 1: there for this group to win it all, like that

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Speaker 1: potential exists for this team. Let's make it as good

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Speaker 1: as possible by adding a proven pass catcher, a dynamic

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Speaker 1: I just think that Eric Tacosta is always looking for

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Speaker 1: that they know that, like they're all in. They have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, look at the last time Ravens,

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Speaker 2: you can say it's more than three deep, but certainly

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Speaker 2: we've already talked about the depth. I think Johnson is

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Speaker 2: It was, Yeah, he loved it. I think Johnson's gonna

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Speaker 2: we can I'm not going to put that kind of

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Speaker 2: pressure on Deontay is like he's a missing link. But

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Speaker 2: even even after this year, you know he's a free agent.

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Speaker 2: Guys you know, always talking about how much they love

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Speaker 2: playing in Baltimore. Maybe this isn't just you know, a

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Speaker 2: So it could be something that you know, he's coming now,

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Speaker 2: And I think he will help this offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned y'a Nique and Arizacosta has a track

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Speaker 1: trade fell through, and now Deontay Johnson. So there, he's

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Speaker 1: always looking for ways to improve this team and this

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Speaker 1: potential is there that is that this is a rental.

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Speaker 1: But from a financial standpoint, it's not a it's not

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Speaker 1: a huge hit to the Ravens. And this year Deontay

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Speaker 1: going to end up owing him about six hundred and

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Speaker 1: not like this is a big it's not a big

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Speaker 1: not a big cost from a draft picks standpoint. You're

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Speaker 1: a really good player who has the potential to help

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Speaker 1: so high potential, low risk, high reward type move. It

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Speaker 1: just seems to make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: Right And you know, Eric the COASA has talked about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, now that you know Lamar and Stein, we're

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Speaker 2: in the era where you know, we're making financial moves.

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Speaker 2: you know, the type of where they are now. A

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Speaker 2: know are really talented and are well compensated, but you're

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Speaker 2: still always trying to build the team as strong as

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Speaker 2: you can around those pieces. And yeah, this is this

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Speaker 2: half of the season and going in the playoffs, another

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Speaker 2: weapon for Lamar, more depth for the wide receiver room. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Ravens are gonna be playing some big

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Speaker 2: you win. And he also has an experience as a returner,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see if he's using that role too, but

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Speaker 2: he has done that before in the past.

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Speaker 1: So just to close, the book on this conversation, Cliff,

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Speaker 1: you know, theink's not even dry and the paperwork for

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Speaker 1: this thing yet. And the question then becomes what's next?

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Speaker 1: So is this in your mind? Is this the move

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Speaker 2: I think with EEDC there could always be another move

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Speaker 1: he made the point that he feels like the interceptions

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Speaker 1: that have been dropped, it's kind of low hanging fruit

432
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Speaker 1: for this defense and thinks those players are going to

433
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Speaker 1: get made in the future. I don't think it's like

434
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Speaker 1: the classic thing whenever you drop a big pass or

435
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Speaker 1: a big interception is get on the judge machine time

436
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Speaker 1: time put on the jukes work this week. And I

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Speaker 1: get that it's a natural response, But I don't think

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Speaker 1: that the inability to bring down these interceptions is just

439
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Speaker 1: related to the fact that the Ravens haven't practiced that

440
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Speaker 1: this week, or these guys don't have work on the

441
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Speaker 1: jugs machine that says. I don't think that's the case.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of individual for each one.

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Speaker 1: And like the Kyle Hamilton one, like that's as easy

444
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Speaker 1: of a pick is he's maybe ever had a pick

445
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Speaker 1: opportunity in his career that was right to him, and

446
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Speaker 1: and so like he's got plenty good hands to catch

447
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: that ball, he just didn't catch it in that situation

448
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason. I think that I do agree with

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Speaker 1: John Harball that sometimes turn overs can be fluky, and

450
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Speaker 1: like you drop a pick like that, that's typically not

451
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Speaker 1: one that happens, and the Ravens are going to make

452
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: that play more time than not, and that can change

453
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Speaker 1: the outcome and the and the course of this defense

454
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Speaker 1: for the rest of the way if they're able to

455
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Speaker 1: come up with some of those picks. I also think though,

456
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Speaker 1: that when you have something like this going on, it

457
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Speaker 1: can get in the back of your mind and it's

458
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Speaker 1: there and until you eliminate it, until you prove that

459
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Speaker 1: it's not an issue, it's going to be an issue.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like the conversation we were having with

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Speaker 1: Justin Tucker a few weeks ago, is if you know

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Speaker 1: that this thing is going on, if you've if you've

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Speaker 1: had these difficulties, if you had some moments there, you've

464
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Speaker 1: come up with plays that you've missed, how are you

465
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Speaker 1: going to be able to overcome them? And the Ravens

466
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Speaker 1: need to prove in those situations that they can overcome

467
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Speaker 1: those moments when they have the opportunity. So I think

468
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Speaker 1: that that I think it can happen. But the Ravens

469
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Speaker 1: they need the pick, they need the play. They need

470
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Speaker 1: to come up with a big moment in order to

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Speaker 1: squash the notion that this is something that's going to

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Speaker 1: bother them the rest of the way. So as we're

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Speaker 1: talking about takeaways naturally. An important part of this conversation

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Speaker 1: is the safety position. The Ravens made a big change

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Speaker 1: at safety this week. Marcus Williams has been the start

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Speaker 1: here for a few years, was not the start of

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Speaker 1: this week. Eddie Jackson and our Darius Washington replaced him

478
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Speaker 1: in the lineup. They played one hundred percent of the

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Speaker 1: snaps and Marcus Williams did not see any action. John

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Speaker 1: Harball has been asked about this a few times after

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Speaker 1: the game and again on Monday, and described it as

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Speaker 1: a personnel decision, but didn't want to get into the

483
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Speaker 1: details of exactly what went into the change of that position.

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Speaker 1: He expressed confidence that Marcus would be able to play

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Speaker 1: safety again at a high level this year and said,

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Speaker 1: I don't really think I have anything else to say

487
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Speaker 1: about it. There's a lot of things that go that

488
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Speaker 1: are going on all the time. A lot of it

489
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Speaker 1: is kind of our business that belongs in house, is

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Speaker 1: between us, and it's not something that we need to

491
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Speaker 1: tell everybody about. So that's where he left it on

492
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Speaker 1: the conversation related to Marcus no longer being in the

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Speaker 1: starting lineup, at least in the game against the Browns.

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Speaker 1: So a question here is from Ronnie Smith, who says

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Speaker 1: that one was hard to swallow. This is my first

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Speaker 1: time writing this season, but I felt compelled. I think

497
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Speaker 1: everybody that's a Ravens fan is finding it hard to

498
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Speaker 1: fathom how our secondary can be seemingly so disorganized, especially

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Speaker 1: at deep safety. Average NFL quarterbacks seem to be picking

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Speaker 1: it apart. So we've got to shake it up. Is

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Speaker 1: bo Braid a potential option at safety Maryland product, undrafted

502
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Speaker 1: rookie or I'm intrigued by the potential of adding a

503
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Speaker 1: veteran at the trade deadline? So what's your thought on

504
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Speaker 1: what happens at safety and if bo Braid could be

505
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Speaker 1: in the equation there? Clip.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my thought is that anything's on the table at

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Speaker 2: this point. I don't think anyone saw that coming that

508
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Speaker 2: Marcus Williams wouldn't play at all, particularly on a day

509
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Speaker 2: where they were already shorthanded in the secondary with Marlon

510
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Speaker 2: Humphrey and Nate Wiggins not able to play. So yeah,

511
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Speaker 2: I mean, the trade deadline is looming. I'm sure that

512
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Speaker 2: you know, the Ravens will consider at least seeing if

513
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Speaker 2: there's somebody out there who can help them and then

514
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Speaker 2: with the personnel that's on the roster, could we see

515
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Speaker 2: someone who hasn't played much start playing, like a Boat

516
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Speaker 2: Brady or someone else. Certainly I think it's possible. Could

517
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Speaker 2: they go back to Marcus Williams. Maybe? I mean, I

518
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Speaker 2: really don't know. It's going to be really interesting to

519
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Speaker 2: see where you go from here, because I don't think

520
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Speaker 2: anyone saw this coming, and it's not like the changes

521
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Speaker 2: they made fixed things, so the issue was still there.

522
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Speaker 2: They made changes and lost the game still had in

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Speaker 2: the secondary, So it will be interesting to see where

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Speaker 2: they go here. What I would only be guessing, and

525
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Speaker 2: I'm really cure, is to see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think often the easy answer is it's

527
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Speaker 1: like the backup quarterback syndrome. The easy answer is just

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Speaker 1: change to people who are in that position. Just swap

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Speaker 1: it out bench this guy, insert that guy. And sometimes

530
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: you need to do that, and it is the right

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Speaker 1: decision to do that given the player and the position.

532
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: But other times there are other fixes beyond just replace

533
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Speaker 1: that person and we'll see what the Ravens end up doing.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's Marcus who ends up getting inserted back into

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Speaker 1: the lineup. Maybe it is a combination of Marcus Ardarius

536
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 1: and Eddie Jackson and Bo Braid potentially too. I mean,

537
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Speaker 1: he's an undrafted rookie, so I think that, like the

538
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: suggestion that he could just step into that role and

539
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: play one hundred percent of the snaps, like, that's a

540
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: tall order for a young player, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: if the Ravens will go that route. I'd be a

542
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: little bit surprised if they just said, Okay, Bo, you're

543
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Speaker 1: going to be the starting safety playing one hundred percent

544
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Speaker 1: of the snaps right now. He was a talented guy

545
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: who showed potential in the preseason, but that's that's a

546
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: tough assignment there for a young player. So I think

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Speaker 1: that the Ravens will I'm with you. I think they'll

548
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Speaker 1: continue to look at everything as it relates to that

549
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: position and finding ways that they can get better organized

550
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: as a secondary as a whole, with safety being a

551
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Speaker 1: huge piece of that. The other go.

552
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Speaker 2: Ahead, Yeah, and I'll just say it's too that you know,

553
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: obviously there's a lot of focus on the secondary, but

554
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: this is a defensive unit issue. I mean pass defense,

555
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: it's not just the secondary, it's the entire defense. They're

556
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Speaker 2: not getting pressure on quarterbacks as much as they would

557
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: like to. They're not stopping the running game as much

558
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: as they would like to, which makes it easier for

559
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: them to be attacked, you know, particularly on third down

560
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: when it's third and short, you know, instead of third

561
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: and eight or longer, then it's easier to complete a

562
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: pass for a first down. Their pass coverage to the

563
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: linebacker level hasn't been good enough, so all those things

564
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: are making it harder on the secondary, and then they're

565
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: not playing as well as they would like to. So

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Speaker 2: it's a collective thing. And yes, just because you make

567
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: a change at safety or anywhere else doesn't necessarily fix

568
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Speaker 2: the problem. But again I did not see, you know,

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Speaker 2: Marcus Williams, that change coming where you wouldn't play at all.

570
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Speaker 2: And now obviously that was not the solution. So it

571
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: is up in the air to me where the Ravens

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Speaker 2: go from here.

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Speaker 1: One last thought on defense, after looking at some of

574
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Speaker 1: the film breakdowns, the Ravens closed out the game on

575
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Speaker 1: defense with six straight cover zero blitzes, which is where

576
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: you blitz everybody who doesn't have a specific player that

577
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: they're covering from a man's standpoint, and so that leaves

578
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Speaker 1: everybody else in a one on one matchup man coverage

579
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Speaker 1: with the receivers, tight ends, running backs coming out of

580
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Speaker 1: the backfield. So it's a tougher assignment for those guys

581
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: and coverage because they don't have help over the top.

582
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: It's an aggressive play call to go with that. So

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Speaker 1: the Ravens finished out things on defense. Six straight Covers

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Speaker 1: your Blizzes. Dan Rolofski from ESPN did a pretty good

585
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Speaker 1: breakdown on this and looking at this and he felt

586
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Speaker 1: like it was maybe too aggressive and predictable. What I like,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious your take on this, because my honest feeling

588
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Speaker 1: is I don't really mind it when you consider that

589
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: covers your blitzes is boom er busts and the Ravens

590
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: were not getting pass rush, they were not getting to

591
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Speaker 1: Jameis Winston throughout the game, and so when you bring

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Speaker 1: the house, there's more likelihood that you're going to be

593
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Speaker 1: able to get to the quarterback. And the worst case

594
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: scenario basically happened, which is you give up the big

595
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: play for a touchdown. But to be honest, like that

596
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: big play for a touchdown is better than the true

597
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, which is the Browns only needed a

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Speaker 1: field goal on that drive. The worst case scenario is

599
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: that you never get the ball back and the Browns

600
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: just end up settling for a thirty five yard field

601
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: goal so to win the game as it expires, and

602
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: that's how you lose the game. So I like basically

603
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: trying to bring the pressure to the quarterback and if

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00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, first of all, hopefully it works. If

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work, which is what happened in this situation,

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Speaker 1: then you at least do get the ball back with

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00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: the potential to go down the field and have a

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Speaker 1: shot to win it at the end, which the Ravens did.

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00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: They had a couple shots at the end zone there

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Speaker 1: at the end. So what's your take on the cover

611
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: zero blizzes to end this say? For the Ravens defense, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Garrett.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if they get home on one or two

614
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Speaker 2: of those blitzes and push them into a position where

615
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Speaker 2: either they have a longer field goal or out of

616
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Speaker 2: field goal range, then no one's talking about this. If

617
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton catches it exactly exactly, no one's talking about this.

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Speaker 2: So they actually got the result in a way that

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Speaker 2: they were looking for. Jameis Winsdon threw a ball up

620
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Speaker 2: for grabs that Kyle Hamilton should have caught, he didn't,

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Speaker 2: and then on the next play they got burned. So,

622
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: like you said, it was a do or die situation.

623
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Speaker 2: They didn't do so that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all rightlet's take a quick break. When we come back,

625
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Speaker 1: we'll look at the offensive side of the football. You're

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Speaker 1: So in looking at the Ravens offense, I don't think

631
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Speaker 1: it was a perfect day at all for the offense.

632
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Speaker 1: I think most of the focuses understandably on the defense,

633
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Speaker 1: but I thought that the offense, you know, it didn't

634
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Speaker 1: have its best day of work, especially what we given

635
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Speaker 1: what we had seen over the course of the five

636
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: game winning streak, this was one where I felt like

637
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: the Ravens kind of lost the battle in the trenches

638
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: and that the brown have an aggressive style. They were

639
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: able to get in the backfield disrupt things in the

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00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: running game and in the passing game. I thought that

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00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: was a big factor in the way that this offense operated.

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00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: Did you see it that way as well?

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Speaker 2: I did? You know? Lamar Jackson was hurried in a

644
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Speaker 2: lot of situations, would have been sacked more often more

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Speaker 2: than he was if not for his loosiveness. I think

646
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Speaker 2: that part of reason that Derrick Henry didn't have one

647
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: of his big games because the Browns defensive line was

648
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: winning up front, making it tough for Henry to find

649
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: running lanes to get to when he got the football. Yeah,

650
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: so I thought the Browns won up front and that, yes,

651
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: made life difficult for the Ravens offense. The Ravens, I thought,

652
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: played better offensively as a game. Progressed Lamar and you know,

653
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: other playmakers kept them in the game. But yeah, that

654
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: was the most difficult game they've had offensively in a while.

655
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: And part of the reason was because the Browns on

656
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: a lot of occasions were in the backfield quickly, whether

657
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: Ravens chose to run it or throw it. Yeah.

658
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: According to Pro Football Focus, some of the numbers here

659
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: on pressures allowed I'll run through it along the offensive line.

660
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: Dang folele allowed six, Ronnie Stanley five, Roger Rosegarten four,

661
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: Patrick McCarey two, Tyler Linderbaum won. So those guys were

662
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: allowing pressure. Browns were forcing Lamar Jackson to move out

663
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: around the pocket. I think on some of those plays,

664
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the quarterbacks in the league end up

665
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: getting sacked. But he was able to get outside the

666
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: pocket and either throw it away or take a chance

667
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: down the field, even at the very end of the game,

668
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: just to keep the final play alive, to heave it

669
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: down the field for a prayer. Most guys don't make

670
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: that play, and I think he deserves a lot of

671
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: credit for that. The other thing I think where this

672
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: showed up from a pressure standpoint, there was the play

673
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: talked about a good amount after the game on Sunday,

674
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: the missed touchdown opportunity to save Flowers in the first half,

675
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: Ravens had to settle for a field goal. If you

676
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: go back and you look at the film with that

677
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: play save Flowers, I mean, he's so shifty in his

678
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: route running. He made about seven different moves on Denzel

679
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: Ward to ultimately get open and end up wide open

680
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: in the end zone, and Lamars overshot him when you

681
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: go back and look at the film with that. First

682
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: of all, it's difficult to time up that throw because

683
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: Zay was just bouncing all over the place to get

684
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: open and then all of a sudden he breaks free.

685
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: But it's hard to time up exactly what that route's

686
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: going to look like because that seemed to be more

687
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: of just a feel thing in him getting open on

688
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: a scramble trill. And then the second part of it

689
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: is when Lamar did release it, he had a guy

690
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: right in his face. He had a guy Barren Downhill

691
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: right in his face, which made it very difficult to

692
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: deliver a pass that was on the money. So when

693
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: you see when you see the receiver running wide open

694
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: in the end zone for a touchdown and the balls

695
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: four yards past him, you're just like, oh, how does

696
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: that happen? You had him wide open? What Like, that's

697
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: an easy throw. I think it was a little bit

698
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: more difficult when you look at it on film.

699
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Lamar had a lot of difficult throws

700
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: Sunday because of the pressure. There were some he didn't

701
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: get the throw, and as you mentioned, it throws off

702
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: the timing of the play. You don't expect the guy

703
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 2: to be right in your face, you know, a couple

704
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: of seconds after you snapped the ball, and that happened

705
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: a couple of times to Lamar. So his ability to

706
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: extend blades kept some plays alive. But the Ravens need

707
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: to give him more comfort in the pocket on a

708
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: regular basis than they did Sunday if they don't, you know,

709
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: moving forward, you know, the Steelers come to mind, you know,

710
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: team that can really pressure the quarterback. They in those

711
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: playing those type teams down the road. They're going to

712
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: have to give Lamar more comfort in the pocket than

713
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: they did Sunday if they're going to move the ball

714
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: effectively consistently throughout the game.

715
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: So another issue in this game. The Ravens were penalized again.

716
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: You know, they've been penalized a good amount this year.

717
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: This is a question from Jess in Seattle. Disheartened but hopeful.

718
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: I promise this isn't hate mail. Is how this email

719
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: starts off. So I appreciate that, and she says, typically

720
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: the Ravens are commended for their discipline and a limited

721
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: number of penalties. But I know we all have opinions

722
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: about some of those penalties, like Ronnie getting penalized at

723
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: the Chiefs game for a legal formation or fall a

724
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: Lea's holding call against the Bucks. But it seems like

725
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: there have been way more penalties this year. Are the

726
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: Ravens not playing with as much discipline as the past?

727
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: Are other teams experiencing in upticking penalties as well? I'd

728
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: like to think this is fixable. It'd be great to

729
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on why the Ravens are one of

730
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: the most penalized teams in the NFL this year. What's

731
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: your take on that, Cliff, Yeah.

732
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: I think there's a, you know, multiple multiple factors with that.

733
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, having three new starters on

734
00:37:54,520 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: the offensive line, the defensive confusion we've talked about, all

735
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: those things lead to an increase in penalties. I don't

736
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: think the Ravens are playing quote undisciplined football, but they

737
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: are making too many mistakes and it's something they need

738
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: to cut down on because those penalties are heart There's

739
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: also been penalties. I shouldn't leave out special teams too.

740
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: There's been penalties on special teams that have hurt them. So, yes,

741
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: they are committing too many penalties. They do need to

742
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: cut down. I do think it's fixable and big picture

743
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: even beyond. We are sitting here, certainly after this game

744
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 2: talking about all the things the Ravens didn't do. They're

745
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 2: five and three, but I think almost I still think

746
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: most people would consider them to be one of the

747
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: top teams in football. And they began the season zero

748
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: to two, so clearly they have a ceiling that's higher

749
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: than where they are right now. The question is whether

750
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: they're going to be able to get to it. They're

751
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: going to have to play better to do that, obviously,

752
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: but I do think there is reason to be I

753
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: think in the beginning that letter you know, or that

754
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: you know email cause is the optimistic. There's reason for

755
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 2: optimism because with all the things that the Ravens aren't

756
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: doing as well as we think they can. They are

757
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: five and three after overcoming an h and two start,

758
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: so seasons just about halfway over, even though there is

759
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: really no half any more. Sefteen games. They've got what

760
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: nine games left, right They're ready, you know, they're in position,

761
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, still to have a really good season if

762
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: they can correct these issues. The question is will.

763
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: They Cliff's still optimistic. I like the optimism from Cliff

764
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: here a little a little good perspective here as we're

765
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: recording a couple of quick notes I want to hit

766
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: before we before we wrap up. One is an interesting

767
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: play the Ravens have run, or at least tempted to

768
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: run a few different times this year. Is Charlie Kohler

769
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: at quarterback on these quarterback sneaks. They tried it again

770
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: on Sunday. He was penalized for a false start where

771
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: he basically try to oversell the cadence and dipped his

772
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: head trying to sell that. And so the question is like,

773
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: why are you putting your tight end at quarterback? What's

774
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: going on here? And John Hartwall did provide some perspective

775
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: on that, and basically the Ravens have apprehension about using

776
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: Lamar as some of those quarterback seats. They want to

777
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: be protective of him. He runs the ball a lot

778
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: more than a lot of other quarterbacks, takes a lot

779
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: of hits. So do you really need him in those situations,

780
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, getting crunched from guys behind him and guys

781
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: in front of him. Put in Charlie Kohler, who's a

782
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: big two hundred and fifty pound tight end there who

783
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: can move the pile. That's the thinking on those plays. Now,

784
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: what's happened now on two different occasions this year is

785
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: Charlie was flagged for the false start of that play.

786
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: Earlier in the season against the Raiders, Derrick Henry was

787
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: flagged for a false start on that play. And so

788
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: there seems to be confusion or a lack of certainly

789
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: a lack of execution, but the organization on those plays

790
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: does not seem to be up to the level that

791
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: is needed. And I'm just curious what's your take on that,

792
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: the route that the Ravens are going and what they

793
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: need to do in order to clean up the miscuse

794
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: that they've had.

795
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, I don't have a problem with Lamar not

796
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: running the quarterback sneak. I do have a problem with

797
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: you know, doing making it too. I don't know that

798
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: exotic or cute when you're that close to the goal

799
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: line and when a penalty can really hurt you. I mean,

800
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: you have Derek Henry in the backfield, you have Pat

801
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 2: through the card, the best blocking fall back in the league.

802
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: My feeling is, if you don't want to run Lamar

803
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: on a sneak, which is fine either, just hand the

804
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: ball to n read block it up. And yeah, if

805
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: if the other team keeps you from out of the

806
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: out of the end zone in that situation, hats off

807
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 2: to him, they win.

808
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: Right, Because it's kind of it's kind of twofold as

809
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: there were two players that really where this came up.

810
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: One was the Henry play down inside the red zone.

811
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: The other was the cooler QB sneak in the middle

812
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: of the field but on short yard of situations. So

813
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: it's like two short yard situations, one closer to the

814
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: goal line, one in the middle of the field. But yeah,

815
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's a fair it's a fair point. It's

816
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: like you have Henry. Just give it to him, just

817
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: so don't overthink it. Just give it to him. I

818
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: get that right exactly.

819
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: And sure, I mean there there are other things you

820
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: Lamar also has the option if he sees something he likes.

821
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: John Harbaal said, as far as the quarterback sneak, he

822
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: has the option option of audibly into that. So it's

823
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: not like Lamar can't run the quarterback sneak if he

824
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 2: sees an opening, and certainly also in short yardage when

825
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: Lamar is on the field, even if he's not going

826
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: to be the guy running the football. He is a threat.

827
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: He has to be defended. So I kind of you

828
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 2: don't like taking Lamar off the field, even if he's

829
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: not going to be the guy who gets the football.

830
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: So I'd rather have him out there, whether it's goline

831
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: or short lar yard or somewhere else on the field,

832
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: have him out there, and if you don't, you know,

833
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: use him as a runner, then let him have a

834
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: hand handed off to Derek Andry. And I like my

835
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: chances with that.

836
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Speaker 1: My take is a QB sneak with Charlie Kohler should

837
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: be basically unstoppable. It should be in theory like this

838
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: is a big guy who can just plow ahead. You

839
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: got Ricard and Henry pushing him from behind to get

840
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: the extra yards toush push style. So in theory it

841
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: should be unstoppable. But two times now they've had cadence

842
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: issues on that play, and so clearly they need to

843
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: get that worked out if you're gonna keep if you're

844
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: gonna keep running that play, which I understand, but you

845
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: need to figure out the organization of it before you

846
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: If you have that issue, if you don't even get

847
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: to a point where he's snapped, then it's not productive,

848
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: and so they need to figure that out. It's not stoppable.

849
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: If you don't even get to snap it, it's no

850
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: longer unstoppable exactly, all right. So you mentioned this special teams.

851
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: The Ravens have had issues on special teams bring the

852
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: ball out of the end zone and getting penalized. And

853
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: so you have the offense it felt like it was

854
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: starting from the ten yard line every drive in this game.

855
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: On the on multiple instances of the game this week,

856
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: Chris Colier, the kick returner, brought it out of the

857
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: en zone. He just shouldn't have done it. He should

858
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: have left it in the end zone. And that's basically

859
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,479
Speaker 1: been the Ravens operation all year long. If it's kicked

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Speaker 1: into the end zone, just take it at the thirty.

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Speaker 1: But there's been plenty of instances where the Ravens have

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Speaker 1: brought it out of the end zone, and it sounds like,

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Speaker 1: based on what John Harbo's saying, the returners are just

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Speaker 1: kind of losing where they are on the field and

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Speaker 1: still bringing it out when they shouldn't have the green

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Speaker 1: light to do that, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, getting the ball to thirty is fine. So

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Speaker 2: unless you have to be earn it. There really isn't

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Speaker 2: much reason to do it this year. And John Hope

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Speaker 2: also mentioned that the blogging angles are difficult with the

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Speaker 2: new alignment if you do decide to run it out.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean those are mistakes. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: could talk about it all we want, but that and

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Speaker 2: whether they have someone else now returning it, or if

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Speaker 2: Chris Kelly and whoever is returning it gets the message

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Speaker 2: and stops doing it. Yeah, it's something that needs to

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Speaker 2: be fixed. But I think after this game the message

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00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: is very clear that, you know, don't do that, don't

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Speaker 2: bring the ball out of end zone on kickoffs when

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Speaker 2: we're perfectly fine with getting the ball at the thirty

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Speaker 2: yard line.

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Speaker 1: So clearly the raves side issues, you know, in this

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Speaker 1: game kind of in all three phases. And that's just

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Speaker 1: another example of that. So as as we conclude here, Cliff,

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Speaker 1: I want to I've mentioned before the emails you can

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Speaker 1: emails at the Lounge or evens ond NFL dot net.

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Speaker 1: We're giving away Lounge T shirts, and I want to

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Speaker 1: end here with a little levity. This email says they

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00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: say the first step towards forgiveness is owning your mistakes.

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Speaker 1: It was me. I washed the lucky shirt every week

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00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: for the last five weeks. I wore the shirt proudly,

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Speaker 1: we the Ravens, and I played much better. Celebration ensued.

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00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: Marching band songs were saying. Beer may have been spilled,

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00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: wing sauce may have been spilled, and of course there

895
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: were sweaty moments in the shirt, but the results were clear.

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00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: The power of the shirt that was clear. However, it

897
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: also became clear that the shirt was becoming a focus

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Speaker 1: at the local watery hole watering hole, particularly under the arms.

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Speaker 1: I started to hear the whispers of jealousy. There goes

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Speaker 1: the shirt boy. They are all haters. So, in a

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00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: moment of weakness, combined with the understandable pride of owning

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00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: a cipher greater than the DaVinci code, gulp, I did

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00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: the unthinkable. I washed the shirt. I know it was selfishness.

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Speaker 1: Now I wear that shame like the grease from the wings.

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Speaker 1: But I will start again, find a new, more worthy shirt,

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Speaker 1: one that isn't white or tight, and one that is

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Speaker 1: a large, regular fit shirt. I think he's trying to

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Speaker 1: get the free shirt. Here is what's happening here. And

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00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: with that new shirt. I promise to watch cheer eat

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Speaker 1: saying smell and smell wildly towards a third World Championship. Sincerely,

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Speaker 1: shirt Boy. So someone is Jones and for a shirt.

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00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: Clearly we found the real reason the Ravens lost this game.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see if we can help out by getting

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Speaker 1: a lounge T shirt sent his way.

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Speaker 2: I think it's only the right thing to do. Spoke

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Speaker 2: shirt Boy up with the shirt.

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Speaker 1: We gotta hook him up. We gotta hook him up.

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Speaker 1: So Mike is going to be back this week. We're

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Speaker 1: going to continue to break down everything leading to this

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Speaker 1: game against the Broncos. Thank you so much for listening,

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Cliff for filling in, and we will be

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Speaker 1: back with you again soon