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Speaker 2: He's welcome back to our program, mister William O'Reilly.
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Speaker 2: know you're very frightened, and I just want to tell
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Speaker 2: The book is called, uh mill O'Reilly Killing Patten. It's
Speaker 2: like that with the eighth We're just gonna call this
Speaker 2: series killing Trees. They still like crazy at one of them.
Speaker 2: Uh you didn't what you didn't read it though, No,
Speaker 2: I did not read it.
Speaker 1: Uh, listen to me. Here's here's all I want from
Speaker 1: you today.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Uh, this is it. This is all we got to
Speaker 1: do in this conversation. Okay, just one. I have one
Speaker 1: simple goal.
Speaker 2: I want you to admit that there is such a
Speaker 2: thing as white privilege.
Speaker 1: That's all I want to know I knew you.
Speaker 2: That's it, just a little I just I just want
Speaker 2: you to say, I'm I'm terribly terribly wrong on this.
Speaker 3: Okay, Look, if there is white privilege, then there has
Speaker 3: to be Asian privilege. Asians make more money than whites.
Speaker 1: What you don't know what he is? Huh? Well not not?
Speaker 1: What kind of asia you have to Asian Americans? Well
Speaker 1: depends on where they're from.
Speaker 3: If you're looking at different Asia, they're Asian Americans.
Speaker 1: I understand that.
Speaker 3: But as if they make more money, with higher education,
Speaker 3: more affluent. So it's Asian privilege, not white privilege.
Speaker 1: You're you're missing the point, and I'm sorry to confuse
Speaker 1: you with fact. You're not. It's not the that's the Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go.
Speaker 2: The Asian experience in America, Asian immigrant experience is very
Speaker 2: different from the black experience, so it's really they're not equivalent.
Speaker 2: And either way, white people, males set the system. So
Speaker 2: that's what privilege is, is that that white people set
Speaker 2: the system. That Yes, maybe Asian immigrants, once immigration policy
Speaker 2: was liberalized, have done better over these past thirty or
Speaker 2: forty years, but there has been a systemic, systemic systematized
Speaker 2: subjugation of the black community.
Speaker 1: Would you not agree with that?
Speaker 2: Sure that was then, this is now what there was
Speaker 2: white privilege, but it no longer exists.
Speaker 3: Maybe you haven't figured out that there is no more slavery,
Speaker 3: no more Jim Crow, right right, And are the most
Speaker 3: powerful man in the world.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, here we go a black American and.
Speaker 3: The most powerful woman in the world, Oprah Winfrey is black.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Being able to give people a free car does not
Speaker 2: make the most powerful around work.
Speaker 1: Because I see the issue here.
Speaker 2: You don't believe that the residual effect of I mean,
Speaker 2: slavery and Jim Crow are dead. But the residual effects
Speaker 2: of that systemic subsitucation exist today.
Speaker 3: Absolutely exists.
Speaker 1: Let's go a different way.
Speaker 3: It exists for every race, not at that extent.
Speaker 1: So that's white. So you but you don't.
Speaker 3: Put forth all right, this oh white privilege and if
Speaker 3: you fail, that's why you fail? All right? America is
Speaker 3: now a place where if you work hard, get educated
Speaker 3: and an honest person, you can succeed. That's what should
Speaker 3: be put out there.
Speaker 1: You are carrying all this carrying.
Speaker 2: You are carrying more of a burden as a black
Speaker 2: person in this country than a white person in this
Speaker 2: country from collectively, yes, but not individually. You listen, every
Speaker 2: circums different, even though they've done far more damage to
Speaker 2: the accounty.
Speaker 3: Don't stop white.
Speaker 1: People, white people. White people do more drugs in this
Speaker 1: country than black people. But black people make.
Speaker 2: Up a far higher majority of the You know why that, yes,
Speaker 2: you do know why that is?
Speaker 1: Why is that because black people? It's about real estate.
Speaker 2: To some extent, there has been a systemic subjugation through
Speaker 2: real estate. Black people are ghetto wised in this country.
Speaker 3: They have to live there.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're telling, Oh, you're getting to a
Speaker 2: bad place, my friend. What made you culture? Do you
Speaker 2: think your upbringing gave you values, ethics?
Speaker 4: You were not.
Speaker 1: You didn't grow up rich, right, No, but you worked hard?
Speaker 1: Money at all? I did? You worked hard? You lived
Speaker 1: where Levett Town, Levittown, New York.
Speaker 2: So it gave you a nice stable, a cheap home.
Speaker 2: There was no down payments. Uh, there was this incredible opportunity. No,
Speaker 2: those houses always just subsidized.
Speaker 1: It wasn't less.
Speaker 3: They weren't subsidized, but they were sold to gis and
Speaker 3: the GI's got a mortgage they could afford look, but
Speaker 3: let me let me just that.
Speaker 1: Makes us a huge mistake.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, let me just ask you a question. Yes,
Speaker 2: did that upbringing leave a mark on you?
Speaker 1: Even today?
Speaker 3: Of course every upbringing me is a mark on it.
Speaker 1: Great people. Could black people live in Levittown? Not at
Speaker 1: that time?
Speaker 2: It could not so that my friend might all in
Speaker 2: the business white privilege.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was in ninety.
Speaker 5: No that that was in nineteen fifty, All right, nineteen fifty,
Speaker 5: nineteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Were there are black people living there in nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: in Levittown?
Speaker 1: Yes? I don't know there weren't. How do you know?
Speaker 1: Because I read up? Oh you read up? You don't
Speaker 1: know that I do. I can find somebody. My point
Speaker 1: is this, even today.
Speaker 3: Why would you want to live there? It's a nice place,
Speaker 3: but it's not a place like you.
Speaker 1: It's not like the Belaire because it's the place that
Speaker 1: built values. What you don't understand is there.
Speaker 3: Imagine what millions of black neighborhoods that build value.
Speaker 2: But imagine growing up knowing that you, as an American,
Speaker 2: as a g I who fought in World War two,
Speaker 2: couldn't buy into that because you were less.
Speaker 1: It was you were not there. It was unfair, and
Speaker 1: the residue of that continues today. And that is white privilege.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: If you want to say it's white privilege, it exists, fine,
Speaker 3: but that's not what's happening here in contemporary society.
Speaker 1: Yes it is. No, it's not. If you let me
Speaker 1: repeat this and I'll do it slowly, all right.
Speaker 5: So even you can.
Speaker 3: Understand if you work hard, if you get educated, if
Speaker 3: you're an honest person.
Speaker 1: You can make it in America.
Speaker 2: If you live in a neighborhood where people are poverty.
Speaker 1: Is endemic, it's harder to work hard. It's harder to
Speaker 1: get an education.
Speaker 3: Hey, it was harder for me than it was for
Speaker 3: the white guy in Garden City. It's all relative. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's harder if you're a ghetto kid. Yes, but can
Speaker 3: you do it?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes you can.
Speaker 2: So I don't understand is why so defensive about it?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 2: Why is it that white people get so defensive about this.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that life isn't hard.
Speaker 1: Middle class white guys.
Speaker 2: That are working hard to do what they can, and
Speaker 2: they look and they go, I'm not getting any privilege.
Speaker 1: That's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: What we're talking about is a group of people that
Speaker 2: were brought here.
Speaker 1: They didn't choose to immigrate here to get that better life.
Speaker 2: And just acknowledge that our countries had a problem with
Speaker 2: that and.
Speaker 1: We knowledge move that who are fair minded.
Speaker 3: But you don't then take that and then condemn the
Speaker 3: modern society.
Speaker 1: Because you know what I'll call it. I'll call it this,
Speaker 1: and it's a word. I think you'll understand a factor.
Speaker 1: It's a factor. It's a factor. I'll give you the
Speaker 1: fact that your humility has moved me.
Speaker 2: You are like Pope Francis that has taken the Catholic
Speaker 2: Church into an era of acceptance and humility.
Speaker 1: You, you Bill O'Reilly.
Speaker 2: Can lead the flock of the fox fearful to a
Speaker 2: better place.
Speaker 1: I believe in you.
Speaker 4: My guest tonight is a conservative commentator with her own
Speaker 4: show on the Blaze Network. Please welcome, Tommy Laren.
Speaker 6: I'm in the lions Den, Trevor.
Speaker 4: I'm not a lion, that's all. Is that like an
Speaker 4: African thing? No, welcome to the show. Before we get
Speaker 4: into it, I know who you are because my Facebook
Speaker 4: feed has you in it. There are a lot of
Speaker 4: people who don't, So if you don't know, Tommy Laren.
Speaker 4: This is a little taste of her show.
Speaker 7: The protesters are still out in force, but let's be honest,
Speaker 7: they're not protesters. They're cry babies with nothing better to
Speaker 7: do than manned around the streets with their participation trophies
Speaker 7: in false sense of purpose. This isn't for Hillary. I'm
Speaker 7: not even sure this is against Trump. It's the same
Speaker 7: thing we've seen time and time again with these so
Speaker 7: called protesters and demonstrators. Is started with the Occupy Wall
Speaker 7: Street brats, moved on to the more militant, overtly aggressive
Speaker 7: Black Lives Matter more crowd cycled through the DNC paid
Speaker 7: violence instigators, and now here we are November of twenty sixteen,
Speaker 7: with President elect Donald Trump and a crowd of misfit
Speaker 7: baby's form from every failed movement all sandwich together to
Speaker 7: become the largest group of winers the country has ever seen.
Speaker 8: A right.
Speaker 6: Pretty most covers it, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: Trevor quick question like why are you so angry?
Speaker 6: I'm actually not that angry.
Speaker 7: It's just there's things that need to be said, Trevor,
Speaker 7: and a lot of people are afraid to say.
Speaker 4: In an angry way. I mean, you can't say you're
Speaker 4: not angry, and I mean, this is this is what
Speaker 4: you're known for. It's a strange thing to say I'm
Speaker 4: not angry, but that is the one thing. It's like
Speaker 4: Ellen saying I don't like dancing. It's like, yeah you do, Ellen,
Speaker 4: you do. You are angry about everything.
Speaker 6: It seems somebody's you will just need to be called
Speaker 6: in there.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean when you say that, the
Speaker 4: one in particular, this is the thing protesting.
Speaker 6: A you know, fair and free election.
Speaker 7: That to me, you get called in your head a
Speaker 7: little bit.
Speaker 6: It's time to clear the streets.
Speaker 7: It's time to accept reality, it's time to move on,
Speaker 7: time to make.
Speaker 6: America great again.
Speaker 4: You consider yourself the conservative I do.
Speaker 6: Okay, I mean I'm millennials.
Speaker 7: I don't really like labels, but yes I'm conservative in thought.
Speaker 4: Sorry my brain, you just gave a label to say
Speaker 4: you don't like labels.
Speaker 6: But anyway, we exist on a spectrum.
Speaker 4: That was just funny. That was just funny. This is
Speaker 4: a funny moment, Millennial. It's just funny. In terms of
Speaker 4: black lives matter, Like you know, you have quite a
Speaker 4: record for somebody who is not racist. You have to
Speaker 4: spend a lot of time saying I'm not racist. What
Speaker 4: is your biggest issue with Black Lives Matter?
Speaker 7: I think, and I've said this many times, it started
Speaker 7: with good intentions. I think it was it was well intentioned.
Speaker 7: The moment that they started pushing hands up, don't shoot,
Speaker 7: which is a false narrative, proven time and time again
Speaker 7: to be a false narrative. The minute that that became
Speaker 7: their slogan, the minute that protes turning it into rioting
Speaker 7: and looting and burning and militant actions, that's when I
Speaker 7: lost respect for Black Lives Matter.
Speaker 4: Okay, but now here's my thing. Let's address each of
Speaker 4: these things one by one. When you go protesting turning
Speaker 4: into rioting and looting, that's not a Black Lives Matter phenomenon.
Speaker 4: That is what happens when there is a protest. A
Speaker 4: lot of the time. There were people who rioted and
Speaker 4: looted when teams won in Chicago years ago. It doesn't
Speaker 4: mean that they are now bad people. That's what happens.
Speaker 4: There are some bad people in every instance. Going back
Speaker 4: to Black Lives Matter, though, for you to say that
Speaker 4: you say they have good intentions. They had the good intentions.
Speaker 4: How are you labeling out the actions of a few
Speaker 4: and condemning an entire group. I don't understand that.
Speaker 7: They subscribe to the Black Lives Matter movement. They say
Speaker 7: we are the Black Lives Matter movement. For I am
Speaker 7: like Bacon f the police.
Speaker 4: There are so few people. These are a few people.
Speaker 4: This is not the Black Lives Matter. That is not
Speaker 4: the platform.
Speaker 7: Though I saw it in my city of Dallas. I
Speaker 7: saw what a Black Lives Matter protest look like and
Speaker 7: I saw five fallen officers because of it.
Speaker 4: That's not fair, that's true.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 6: It is start because the.
Speaker 7: Shooter said point blank, shooter said he's doing this because
Speaker 7: of Black Lives Matter.
Speaker 4: Yes, and there are many things you can say. I mean,
Speaker 4: if you go outside, you can say anything about doing something,
Speaker 4: because if you cannot deny that the man had mental
Speaker 4: issues as well and he was in a tough place.
Speaker 4: Just because you say the thing doesn't mean it's what
Speaker 4: it stands for, right, because you're the same person. You're
Speaker 4: the same person who argued on your show that just
Speaker 4: because Donald Trump has support us from the KKK doesn't
Speaker 4: mean he's in the KKK. So it goes those against me.
Speaker 6: You can't say he did it because of no but
Speaker 6: he the shooter said I but Black.
Speaker 4: Lives Matter has never said go out and shoot people.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you're saying this to your audience, and I
Speaker 4: honestly do not understand where you're getting that from. Just
Speaker 4: because a person. What if somebody says, I felt emboldened
Speaker 4: by Tommy Laryn and so I went out and I
Speaker 4: shot black people? Are you not responsible?
Speaker 7: Is that your tu It's not one or two people
Speaker 7: if you look at them, and you look at every city,
Speaker 7: Look at the protests that have gone on in Baltimore,
Speaker 7: in Ferguson, in New York City, the protests that have
Speaker 7: now turned to anti Trump protests, because are not a
Speaker 7: few people. This is mass crowds of people. They're doing
Speaker 7: in this the name of Michael Brown. They're doing this
Speaker 7: the name of Freddie Gray. They're doing it as the
Speaker 7: front of Black Lives Matter, and the mainstream media.
Speaker 6: Is emboldening these people.
Speaker 4: Okay, so then let's use that same logic that you're
Speaker 4: using then and then go police are the police racist?
Speaker 4: Because police in many cities. You look at Baltimore, you
Speaker 4: look at what happened in New York, you look at
Speaker 4: what happened in the case of Walter Scott. You tell me,
Speaker 4: are police racist because they've been shown to harass black
Speaker 4: people unfairly, They've been shown to shoot black people when
Speaker 4: they're unarmed. Does that mean the police are racist them?
Speaker 4: Because that's the same logic you're using.
Speaker 7: It's really not, though, Trevor, because the meanstream media is
Speaker 7: not inbolding them as a group.
Speaker 6: It's not.
Speaker 7: And did you know that a black man is eighteen
Speaker 7: point five times more likely to shoot a police officer
Speaker 7: than a police.
Speaker 6: Officer is to shoot a black man. Those are statistic
Speaker 6: no one wants to talk about.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, So let me ask you this. Then,
Speaker 4: if you say, as you said when you walked out,
Speaker 4: I'm not as mean as people think I am. I'm
Speaker 4: not the person that people think I am. What do
Speaker 4: you wish people would understand about you that are in
Speaker 4: another bubble? You wis people would understand about you on
Speaker 4: the other side, I wish that we.
Speaker 7: Could disagree with each other without thinking that we are
Speaker 7: bad people or ill intentioned folks. So because I criticize
Speaker 7: a black person, or I criticize the Black Lives Matter movement,
Speaker 7: that doesn't mean that I am anti black. It does
Speaker 7: not mean that I don't like black people or that
Speaker 7: I'm a racist. It means I'm criticizing a movement. I
Speaker 7: criticize color Kaepernick, that doesn't mean that I don't believe
Speaker 7: in his First Amendment rights.
Speaker 6: It means that I believe in my First.
Speaker 7: Amendment rights to criticize him, So it doesn't make me
Speaker 7: a bad person. It doesn't make me a racist to
Speaker 7: point out I mean, I've never used racial slurs to
Speaker 7: address people.
Speaker 6: I've never looked down on someone because of their skin color.
Speaker 7: To me, true diversity is diversity of thought, not diversity
Speaker 7: of color.
Speaker 6: I don't see color. I go after Hillary Clinton, and
Speaker 6: she is why as they come't.
Speaker 4: You don't see color? So what do you do at
Speaker 4: a traffic lights? I don't believe in that at all.
Speaker 4: When people say that there's nothing wrong with seeing color,
Speaker 4: it's how you treat color that's more important.
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 4: Here's my thing. Like, all these points that you make
Speaker 4: are great, and I do believe that you believe them.
Speaker 4: And I don't believe anyone is actively trying their few
Speaker 4: people are trying to be bad from their point of view.
Speaker 4: But when I look at what you're saying you say,
Speaker 4: you're not pushing a racist narrative. You're not, you're criticizing.
Speaker 4: Do you really believe you're criticizing and you're not malintentioned
Speaker 4: when you say things like black lives matters the u KKK,
Speaker 4: because you realize black lives matter. Com Me the u KKK.
Speaker 4: The KKK is still around, They have not vacated their premises.
Speaker 4: And most importantly, to say black lives matters the UKK
Speaker 4: is like to really really minimize what the KKK did
Speaker 4: and what they stand for. That is not the same thing.
Speaker 4: You surely you understand the incendiary like feeling of your comments.
Speaker 7: You know that, surely it's controversial. But I think there
Speaker 7: are some things that need to be said. When the
Speaker 7: Black Lives Matter movement is going out with signs saying
Speaker 7: frime like bacon f the police when they're going out
Speaker 7: seeing if you see a white person target them, that
Speaker 7: is happening, Trevor.
Speaker 6: That happened in Milwaukee not too long ago.
Speaker 7: That is happening. So when that now becomes the narrative
Speaker 7: and you're starting to loot, burn and riot, what did
Speaker 7: the KKK?
Speaker 4: That is not Look, we'll go around in circles did
Speaker 4: you say, what did the KKK do?
Speaker 1: No, what do they do?
Speaker 7: When you're saying, listen, Trevor, Trevor, when you're saying when
Speaker 7: there are people in the streets saying, if you see
Speaker 7: a white person beat their ass, does that not sound
Speaker 7: reminiscent of the KKK or their motives?
Speaker 1: To you?
Speaker 4: Is that the narrative of Black Lives Matter or the
Speaker 4: people who are saying that within a crowd of other
Speaker 4: human beings. There is a distinction between a movement and
Speaker 4: the people. That is something that we keep coming back to.
Speaker 4: But let's go back to what you were saying on
Speaker 4: Colin Kaepernick and the national anthem. This is this is
Speaker 4: something I don't understand. And when I watch your videos,
Speaker 4: I go I truly do not understand. You say, Colin
Speaker 4: Kaepernick is exercising his First Amendment rights, and you are
Speaker 4: exercising your First Amendment rights in criticizing him. So what
Speaker 4: you're saying is you have the right to say anything
Speaker 4: you want, so shut up.
Speaker 6: No, not at all. I'm saying I don't agree with
Speaker 6: what he did. I think that he went about the
Speaker 6: wrong way. I don't think he is the right way.
Speaker 4: When people say that I'm always fascinated what is the
Speaker 4: right way. So here's a black man in America who says,
Speaker 4: I don't know how to get a message across. If
Speaker 4: I march in the streets, people say I'm a thug.
Speaker 4: If I go out and I protest, people say that
Speaker 4: it's a riot. If I bend down on one knee,
Speaker 4: then it's not. What is the right way? That is
Speaker 4: something I've always wanted to know. What is the right
Speaker 4: way for a black person. That's a change of America
Speaker 4: taking it.
Speaker 7: Out Trevor taking it out on our flag and our
Speaker 7: national anthem. To me, but how why would you take
Speaker 7: out your perceived oppression of black people out on the
Speaker 7: national anthem in our flag? A country that you live in,
Speaker 7: a country that you benefit from, a country that people
Speaker 7: of all races have died for, have died to protect,
Speaker 7: have died for the vote, died to be enfranchised by
Speaker 7: this nation. How do you then go and disrespect the
Speaker 7: flag and the anthem of that country?
Speaker 6: Well, why is that the outlet?
Speaker 4: Well, maybe you're a person who's lived and read through history,
Speaker 4: and you realize that a lot of those people of
Speaker 4: every color who died for this country, some of them
Speaker 4: didn't have the rights that their fellow servicemen had when
Speaker 4: they came back to the country off the fighting. Maybe
Speaker 4: you're one of those people who realizes that the penal
Speaker 4: system in America was designed to oppress black people. It
Speaker 4: was designed to enslave people. It is a relic of slavery.
Speaker 4: Maybe you're one of those people. So what I don't
Speaker 4: understand is a guy is kneeling in the corner. I
Speaker 4: don't understand why that offends you so much. It's not
Speaker 4: even like he's trying to sing over you. If he
Speaker 4: was doing that, he's like, oh say oh, say ken
Speaker 4: and me see No, he's singing. He's not doing anything
Speaker 4: that affects you. I don't understand why it gets to you.
Speaker 4: I genuinely don't. He's in a corner, kneeling by himself.
Speaker 4: Why does that offend you so much?
Speaker 7: For me, I know what that flag means to me.
Speaker 7: I know what that flag means to those that are
Speaker 7: fighting for our country right now. It's bigger than a
Speaker 7: piece of cloth. It's a symbol of patriotism. Our national
Speaker 7: anthem has meant a lot to a lot of people.
Speaker 7: It's got a lot of people through very hard times
Speaker 7: in this country. It's got it scarred, it's got its wounds,
Speaker 7: it's got its history. But I still believe it's the
Speaker 7: greatest nation on the face of the earth. And I
Speaker 7: believe if you live in this country, you can want
Speaker 7: to better it, but to disrespect our flag and our
Speaker 7: anthem in that way and not be your outlet to
Speaker 7: get out whatever aggression you have, whether it be passive
Speaker 7: or active aggression.
Speaker 6: I disagree with it. And so he has every right
Speaker 6: to do it. That's his first moment, right, and I
Speaker 6: agree with his first meant right to do it. I
Speaker 6: don't agree with what he did.
Speaker 7: So because I don't agree with what he did, then
Speaker 7: now I should shut up because I'm white, So I
Speaker 7: should shut up. I shouldn't be able to talk about
Speaker 7: black issues because I'm white.
Speaker 4: No one brought no one brought up white at all.
Speaker 4: I never said that I don't see color. I don't
Speaker 4: think that that's what the argument is. What I'm saying
Speaker 4: is I asked you one question, and that is how
Speaker 4: should a black person bring up their grievances? That's all
Speaker 4: asks How If that's not the right way, If marching
Speaker 4: isn't the right way, what is the right way.
Speaker 6: When you talk.
Speaker 7: What he said was he is protesting the anthem in
Speaker 7: the flag because of the oppression of black people in
Speaker 7: this country.
Speaker 6: I would like him to further explain what.
Speaker 7: He's talking about when he's discussing the black oppression in
Speaker 7: this country.
Speaker 6: Also, is it against police? Is it against the government.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure what oppression he's discussing.
Speaker 6: I would love to have him come on my show
Speaker 6: and discuss it with me. To me, when you make the.
Speaker 7: Flag and you make the anthem the outlet for your
Speaker 7: anger or the outlet through which you're going to pro
Speaker 7: test your country that you live and you reside in
Speaker 7: that you take nineteen million dollars a year from I
Speaker 7: don't think that that is the correct outlet for your anger.
Speaker 6: So what is he protesting?
Speaker 4: So he's again, you haven't answered my question of how.
Speaker 4: How you want to tell me? I'm just asking how,
Speaker 4: and I'm asking you honestly. I'm not saying in a
Speaker 4: challenging way. I'm saying to you, I don't know the
Speaker 4: answer apart from these methods. So I would like to
Speaker 4: know if you've ever thought of a how, because you're
Speaker 4: the first person I've met who said this. I've seen
Speaker 4: this message online. I'm not labeling you as the bad person.
Speaker 4: I just want to know if you've ever thought of
Speaker 4: the how. That's what I want to know for me.
Speaker 7: I think there are a lot of folks in this
Speaker 7: kinder iving a woman. I didn't have rights after black
Speaker 7: people until women got the right to vote. But because
Speaker 7: I feel like I'm a woman and I marginalized in
Speaker 7: some way, I don't protest my country. I don't see
Speaker 7: what he's protesting. I would like to know exactly what
Speaker 7: he is protesting.
Speaker 6: It's a very so how do you know?
Speaker 4: How do you protest them? That's right.
Speaker 6: I don't protest because I'm not a victim.
Speaker 4: I guess we can. We can go back and forth
Speaker 4: on a lot of these issues. It's a It's an
Speaker 4: interesting place to be in because honestly, you've won. You know,
Speaker 4: like your side has won as you say, you know,
Speaker 4: the liberal snowflakes are melting in the streets as they protest,
Speaker 4: and now I would like to know from your side, genuinely,
Speaker 4: as someone who's won, do you believe that Donald Trump
Speaker 4: will follow through on his promises.
Speaker 6: I will be a vocal opponent if he doesn't.
Speaker 7: I am not somebody that gets on the cheerleading bandwagon.
Speaker 6: If he does something I disagree with, I will discuss it.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 6: Before I was a Trump supporter, I was critical of Trump.
Speaker 6: I was a Marco Rubio girl for a long time.
Speaker 7: And then I started to see that was gonna be
Speaker 7: our nominee. And I said, it's him or Hillary. A
Speaker 7: lot of Americans were in that position.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And then I got closer to the campaign and I
Speaker 7: started seeing some of the things he was saying, and
Speaker 7: I started seeing the effect he was having on people,
Speaker 7: and the things that he was saying that was touching
Speaker 7: people and making them pop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 7: He really was.
Speaker 1: Hillary could use some.
Speaker 6: Of that every now and then. Right, Bill's a little busy.
Speaker 6: Bill's a little busy.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you being on the show. Thank you so
Speaker 4: much for being human.
Speaker 5: My guest tonight is the senior Senator from South Carolina
Speaker 5: with whom I served in the United States Senate. Please
Speaker 5: welcome Senator Lindsey Graham. Well, well, thanks for comming, man.
Speaker 4: This is what happens, right.
Speaker 5: I'm hopeful we'll find some common ground, hope. And uh, well,
Speaker 5: we were friends, were Well, it's it's there's been a
Speaker 5: strain on it. We are friends, but there's been some
Speaker 5: strain in from your politics. Yeah, well you know, uh,
Speaker 5: let's find some common ground. For example, Ukraine, we both
Speaker 5: believe that this is the vital interest.
Speaker 9: Yeah Putin, that's coming ground, right, they should be in jail.
Speaker 4: How about that?
Speaker 9: Maybe not so much on Trump, but definitely I'm putin.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah it Putin's slightly more serious. But there's some
Speaker 5: serious charges against from Okay. But nevertheless, there are some
Speaker 5: Republicans and we mentioned Ron de Santis, the governor who
Speaker 5: doesn't agree with you, and.
Speaker 9: N well, you know, it's free country. But let me
Speaker 9: just say this, if this is not in our vital interest,
Speaker 9: what would be to have a guy invade another country
Speaker 9: rewrite the map of Europe? But force of arms, this
Speaker 9: spring back any memories, sign an agreement, tears it up,
Speaker 9: and he's gotten an arrest warrant from the ICC, which
Speaker 9: is done a great job, and they wan't to arrest
Speaker 9: him because he's taken Ukrainian children, kidnap them for their
Speaker 9: families and send them to Russia. Other than that, this
Speaker 9: doesn't matter to us. I don't want to live in
Speaker 9: a world where that crap goes on without punishment.
Speaker 5: You seem a little critical of Biden for the planes
Speaker 5: not being there yet the tank's not getting there earlier,
Speaker 5: or our tank's not there, the German tanks are.
Speaker 9: Getting anybody's tank, just send a tank.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I want to quote some stuff that Trump said. This
Speaker 5: is what he told a guy named Seannity.
Speaker 4: I have no idea who he is.
Speaker 5: This is what Donald Trump said. I could have negotiated.
Speaker 5: At worst, I could have made a deal to take
Speaker 5: over something. You know, there are certain areas that are
Speaker 5: Russian speaking areas, frankly, but you could have worked a deal.
Speaker 5: This is what he's saying. This that's what your guy
Speaker 5: that you want to be president said after the war
Speaker 5: has started. I think that's where my guy, who I
Speaker 5: want to get re elected, had organized the coalition and
Speaker 5: started and had stood up and said, no, we're not
Speaker 5: going to allow this to happen.
Speaker 9: So I think you twenty four election is coming, but
Speaker 9: I think we got a chance sharing the near term,
Speaker 9: really with the proper military support, continued economic assistance to
Speaker 9: the Ukraine for the Ukrainians to decimate the Russian army
Speaker 9: in Ukraine. They just need the weapons to do it,
Speaker 9: and wouldn't that be a great outcome to a very
Speaker 9: tragic event.
Speaker 1: It would be lose and.
Speaker 5: You talk to some of your other Republican friends on
Speaker 5: the other side. Marjorie Taylor Green, I know you're very.
Speaker 9: Close, and yeah, tons of time. But there is a
Speaker 9: kind of the space later laser taken down, but we'll
Speaker 9: see how that works. Yeah, that was a Jewish space laser,
Speaker 9: but she said it was well, we thought it had
Speaker 9: been funny to have a laser where ya'ma going it
Speaker 9: just flat around. Apparently nobody else did it.
Speaker 5: So she has seen it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I think what we should do
Speaker 1: is take a quick break, okay, and pay the bills.
Speaker 5: And we'll be right back with the Senator Lindsey Graham
Speaker 5: right after an important message from my pillow guy.
Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome back to the Daily Show.
Speaker 5: We're here with Senator Lindsey Graham. You know, Lindsay, you
Speaker 5: asked me during the break what I'm doing, And part
Speaker 5: of what I've been doing is the only former US
Speaker 5: senator currently on tour tour, and when the audience has
Speaker 5: asked me, they say, who's the funniest US center while
Speaker 5: you're there? And I always say Lindsey Graham, and they
Speaker 5: always hate it my crowd, and then I tell them
Speaker 5: this when you were running for president and sixteen, well
Speaker 5: remember that, yeah, I remember You're like two at one point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was I peaked.
Speaker 5: So one day I go, I go in the center
Speaker 5: bathroom and I turned to you and I say, Lindsey,
Speaker 5: if I were a Republican, i'd vote for you for president.
Speaker 9: And you said, that's my problem.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Uh.
Speaker 5: You said this week that these charges or this charges
Speaker 5: in New York might actually help Trump.
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 9: I think, well, the Republicans who will help Trump? Because
Speaker 9: the sires Fance was the previous prosecutor. He looked at
Speaker 9: this and said no thank you. And the just attorney
Speaker 9: looked at it and said no thank you. And this
Speaker 9: guy comes along, Avon Bragg, and he's now going to
Speaker 9: prosecute Trump taking a mismeanor to a felony by merging
Speaker 9: two statutes that have never been used before. It's in
Speaker 9: New York, and most people on our side, it's a
Speaker 9: never ending effort to take a reckon ball to Trump.
Speaker 9: So I think it'll help him.
Speaker 5: The number one tradition that's meaningful in this country is
Speaker 5: the peaceful transition of power. Right now, then, can you
Speaker 5: want a guy who allowed us to go through this
Speaker 5: violent insurrection right.
Speaker 9: Really to be president again?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, let me just say this.
Speaker 9: The other side of the story is that when President
Speaker 9: Trump was president, on the things that I care the
Speaker 9: most about, national security, I thought he did a damn
Speaker 9: good job. I look at the policies of Trump, and
Speaker 9: I like the policies of Trump. And at the end
Speaker 9: of the day, he's got to prove to people, not me,
Speaker 9: that he's able to lead us again, and that will
Speaker 9: be a challenge for him, and that'll be a challenge
Speaker 9: for Biden to say, give me four more years after
Speaker 9: the last four we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5: Well, I think Biden wins that. But we don't have
Speaker 5: to say, yeah, how.
Speaker 1: Much twenty bucks.
Speaker 9: But give back to the point, you've got to come
Speaker 9: to grips the idea. A lot of Americans believe that
Speaker 9: Trump was a good president, but they don't like what
Speaker 9: he did or what he said. And this is going
Speaker 9: to be a real contest in twenty twenty four. It
Speaker 9: will be a real contest, my friend.
Speaker 5: Well, I think the Florida governor is going to make
Speaker 5: it a real contest.
Speaker 9: But no, we got a deep inch on our side.
Speaker 1: We have a deep inch prom I made him speechless.
Speaker 1: This is a high lot of.
Speaker 5: He's done it.
Speaker 1: He's done it.
Speaker 5: I just think this guy is I mean, okay, I'll
Speaker 5: say it. I just think he's a pathological liar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 5: I don't mean to be harsh because I know he's
Speaker 5: your friend. Well and I'm malignant narcissist. And he chose
Speaker 5: some good people to be in his administration at first,
Speaker 5: but it seemed like as those guys went, those men
Speaker 5: and women went, he brought in worse and worse people.
Speaker 5: And I just I don't know how the American people
Speaker 5: are going to reelect this way. I understand the MAGA
Speaker 5: voters are still.
Speaker 9: Just about mega voters, because don't take this wrongly. He
Speaker 9: can survive your criticism. He's going to be al Franken
Speaker 9: is down on Trump.
Speaker 4: Is not the end of Trump.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 9: I know you think Trump's horrible for the country, and
Speaker 9: a lot of people believe that he can fix the
Speaker 9: problems that we're suffering under now. But here's the good news.
Speaker 9: We'll have an election and they will decide.
Speaker 4: Said, that's the way it's supposed to work.
Speaker 2: My guest tonight a lawyer, a pundon, an author. Her
Speaker 2: first book was High Crimes and Misdemeanors. Her latest is
Speaker 2: called Slander Liberal Lies about the American Right. Please welcome
Speaker 2: and called her and thanks for govin.
Speaker 8: I I read the book that makes you so much
Speaker 8: better than most people interviewing?
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I tell you something.
Speaker 2: I also don't really know how to read, so it
Speaker 2: was very but I wanted to read you something because
Speaker 2: this is I thought this was mind boggling. This is
Speaker 2: in the first it's basically a book concerning the conservative
Speaker 2: movement versus the liberal movement.
Speaker 1: It says, this is on just very beginning, Liberals hate America.
Speaker 2: They hate flag waivers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate
Speaker 2: all religions except Islam Post nine to eleven. Even Islamic
Speaker 2: terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. I've got to
Speaker 2: tell you, we've got to find these people, these.
Speaker 1: Liberals, and get them the hell out of here. They
Speaker 1: sound like terrible, terrible people.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's a different, different stage from terrorism.
Speaker 1: The liberals. Yes, are you? Are you that man? Who
Speaker 1: are they?
Speaker 2: Because I read those book, and there's some interesting points
Speaker 2: in there, especially.
Speaker 1: About the media. Did you feel are they like Canadians?
Speaker 1: Are they? Do they look like us? No? They do.
Speaker 8: Look we're living amongst them.
Speaker 6: You're in New York, La.
Speaker 8: No, it's many breakdown in the last election from the
Speaker 8: red states and the Blue states. And I noticed that
Speaker 8: it's you know where all the rich Hollywood liberals Park
Speaker 8: Avenue matrons are.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: No, no, wait a second.
Speaker 2: So are you saying so everyone who votes a Democratic
Speaker 2: then is is liberal?
Speaker 8: Well not entirely, but certainly. I mean there are a
Speaker 8: few little old ladies who still think it's FDR, but
Speaker 8: you know, most of the Democratic Party, But you're talking
Speaker 8: about the leaders of that and the people paying attention.
Speaker 1: The Democratic Party has leaders. I that should be in
Speaker 1: the book. I'd love a list to that. I haven't.
Speaker 1: I don't notice about.
Speaker 2: You know what, because it strikes me as an old
Speaker 2: the liberal conservative battle almost seems like an older paradigm,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like like you and Carville
Speaker 2: are like the Japanese soldiers in nineteen fifty three that
Speaker 2: they'd find on islands that are like we're still fighting right,
Speaker 2: Like it almost feels like a battle that is, you know,
Speaker 2: Crispin Quake.
Speaker 1: It was decided years ago.
Speaker 8: Right, and it's not still No, that's what I think.
Speaker 8: But they're still around, and they're still, for example, griping
Speaker 8: about this war. I mean, it really is stunning.
Speaker 1: Rangel griving about which war?
Speaker 8: The war on terrorism? We're in it right now, right,
Speaker 8: it really is stunning. You do a Lexis nexis surgeon,
Speaker 8: look up flagwaving. Liberals use that as an epithet. They've
Speaker 8: dropped it. Every waving flagwaving flag waivers. That's you know,
Speaker 8: it's like the yahoos jungos.
Speaker 1: I read the papers. I read what it called. They're
Speaker 1: the sports papers papers. I have not seen a great
Speaker 1: wave of descent from this war.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I would say, and the
Speaker 2: Persian Gulf War was a very popular war as well.
Speaker 2: I'd say this is the most popular military battle.
Speaker 1: That I've ever experienced. I mean, very few dissenting voices.
Speaker 8: No, that's true though, that's because Americans are paying attention.
Speaker 8: We were grievously attacked, and consequently liberals do have to
Speaker 8: hide their nay saying too much. But I mean, consider it.
Speaker 8: They've complained about military tribunals. They've complained about the detention
Speaker 8: of suspects of GUANTANMO. They've complained about the monitoring of
Speaker 8: terrorists phone conversations. They've complained about Ashcroft rounding the terrorists.
Speaker 8: I mean, every aspect of this. Whenever they're losing on substance,
Speaker 8: they claim it's just a procedural objection. That's our only objection.
Speaker 2: Now they I can't help but think that this is
Speaker 2: a tiny group of people like Keebler Elves for instance.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean in terms of the more knee
Speaker 2: jerk reactionary version of it.
Speaker 1: I sort of like in Carville, and I put him
Speaker 1: in that category.
Speaker 8: I fairly discuss him in my book because I think
Speaker 8: he is like the Keebler Elves. That really is not
Speaker 8: the concern.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's a larger you have a much larger concers.
Speaker 8: And basically all of the Democratic Party is and all
Speaker 8: the people can vote Democratic. No, I wouldn't really throw
Speaker 8: the voters in. I mean, I'm not talking about right,
Speaker 8: but I mean it certainly is true that these leaders
Speaker 8: of the Democratic Party layy bird dash l you know,
Speaker 8: they just have these sort of vague, non specific ripes
Speaker 8: about how Bush is handling the war.
Speaker 4: Well, one's it going to be over?
Speaker 1: When's it going to be over? There?
Speaker 8: Like little kids on a car trip, But I don't
Speaker 8: know we're moving in the right direction. I'll tell you
Speaker 8: when we get there.
Speaker 1: To be fair, it is I've been on car trips
Speaker 1: and if you do have to go, you have to go.
Speaker 1: I mean it is to be fair.
Speaker 2: No, I think to be fair, there are some legitimate
Speaker 2: points of dissent to be made. I think it's probably
Speaker 2: you know, they may be slightly nonspecific out of the
Speaker 2: sort of fear of not wanting to criticize a wartime president.
Speaker 2: In many respects, the lack of specificity may actually be
Speaker 2: deference rather than a wishy washy non.
Speaker 8: I don't think so. I think it's because they know
Speaker 8: the American I think it's because they know the American
Speaker 8: people would boil them in oil.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 8: I mean they're looking at voters, they're not looking at
Speaker 8: being nice to Bush.
Speaker 2: Now in your sense, though, so would you consider the
Speaker 2: Republican Party, then they're all conservatives and the Democrats.
Speaker 8: There are a lot of bad Republicans. There are no
Speaker 8: good Democrats. Well except this audience.
Speaker 1: No, it's interesting. I honestly feel like I have a
Speaker 1: different view.
Speaker 2: My view is that the liberal conservative battle is doesn't
Speaker 2: matter anymore.
Speaker 1: It's it's sort of a dinosaur.
Speaker 2: The real battle is actually extremism versus moderates, and that
Speaker 2: liberal versus conservative is an old you know, moyni hand
Speaker 2: Goldwater fight that nobody and I say this with all
Speaker 2: due respect gives you about anymore. And the real battle
Speaker 2: is actually extremism versus well, you can call it.
Speaker 8: Something different, but I do think but I think that actually,
Speaker 8: I do think it's extremist to be complaining about the war,
Speaker 8: complaining about how long it's taken, complaining about the detention
Speaker 8: of suspects. I mean, I happen to think America has
Speaker 8: been grievously attacked and we should be responding with absolute,
Speaker 8: overwhelming force and instell. We have all this nay saying.
Speaker 8: So you can call it liberal or you can call
Speaker 8: it extremist.
Speaker 1: And anything is not about nay saying. So toe the line. Kids,
Speaker 1: what happened? Wait a minute, you convinced me? How did
Speaker 1: you do it?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's you know. Here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: feel like, if we were both drunk, we probably end
Speaker 1: up agreeing.
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