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Speaker 2: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable.

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Speaker 2: You guys are prose best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn, babe? Less there?

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Speaker 3: What's up everybody, and welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 2: This is our pre Draft twenty twenty three edition.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Chris Raymond, joined by one of the

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Speaker 3: top fantasy ranchers in the game, Sean Kern Or Sean,

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Speaker 3: what's going on?

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Speaker 1: What's up? A long time? No talk football? How you

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Speaker 1: been doing, man, I've been.

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Speaker 3: Good, man, Enjoying the off season, you know, starting to

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Speaker 3: get into some NBA, some NHL, but always always happy

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, did you get your fancy pros Trophy?

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 3: but yeah, I got it not too long ago.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Uhsi, I.

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Speaker 3: Know, like I thought about I'm thinking about maybe displaying

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Speaker 3: We'll see how that goes, all right, Yeah, but we

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Speaker 3: we'll do another episode of breaking down, you know, all

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Speaker 3: So let's jump right into it. We'll go position by position,

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Speaker 3: and I think with quarterback the main guy to discuss here.

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Speaker 3: We know he probably won't be back with the Packers.

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Speaker 4: I think he's still just you know, a high end

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Speaker 4: So that's a big reason why they brought in Allen Wizard.

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Speaker 4: So I just view him as a high end QB two.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Dalvin Cook obviously would be a massive

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding, No, I have no clue. We have

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Speaker 3: How do you think Singletary's acquisition impacts Pierce if at all?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it actually impacts him as

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Speaker 4: He'll he'll just command more touches than a Rex Burkhead.

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of baked into Montgomery's wide range of outcomes.

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Speaker 4: in this offense.

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00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the one thing, you know, I

438
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,360
Speaker 3: kind of think back to is, Okay, they go out

439
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 3: and get this guy, Frank Wright comes in. Frank w

440
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 3: Reich was kind of the architect behind that massive Johnson

441
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,719
Speaker 3: Taylor season, right, But you know, does he view Sanders

442
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 3: like that? You know, that's the question, you know. So

443
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 3: I do think there's some upside here RB twenty three. Again,

444
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 3: it is his ADP, So I don't love it there

445
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 3: just because of the lack of passing game upside, But

446
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 3: I do think he's another guy, at least at this

447
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,640
Speaker 3: juncture where we don't we're not completely clear on how

448
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 3: these depth charts and roles are going to break down.

449
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 3: I think the upside is there because if Frank Wright decides, hey,

450
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 3: you know, we got to hide, you know, we got

451
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 3: to kind of play this kind of conservative ball and

452
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 3: give our top burning back eighteen to twenty two carries

453
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 3: a game.

454
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: You know, maybe Miles Sanders is I mean.

455
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 3: He has he should be that guy. As I mentioned,

456
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 3: Tuba is more of the passing down back. But at

457
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 3: the same time, you know Number one Philadelphia, who's very

458
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 3: run heavy, you know, look looked at Sanders as a

459
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 3: you know, expendable and he and he does it. He's

460
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 3: never really caught the ball, so you know, there's a

461
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 3: significant downside here as well.

462
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about this Bucks backfield.

463
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 3: You got Leonard Fournette being released and then Chase Edmonds

464
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,360
Speaker 3: is brought in.

465
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 2: Uh, you know.

466
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 3: Edmonds has kind of seems like he's fallen out of

467
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 3: favor in quite a few spots as of late. So

468
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 3: do you think the big move, obviously is Fournette being

469
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 3: given the acts. Do you think Rashaw White now in

470
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 3: year two is going to be the workhorse that I think,

471
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of people in the fancy community

472
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: kind of wanted or at least hoped for, uh, you know,

473
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: last year at various points.

474
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think this this could be more of

475
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 4: a battle heading into the season than I would like.

476
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 4: But I would give the edge certainly to White. You know,

477
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 4: he was their third round pick last year. He's entering

478
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 4: his prime, whereas Edmonds is I would say he's at

479
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 4: the tail end of his prime. But both backs have

480
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 4: similar skill sets. Both are pretty good pass catching backs.

481
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 4: So right now White's ADP is like RB twenty six

482
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 4: and edmundss RB sixty nine, which seems a bit too

483
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 4: wide right now. So Edmonds is probably the better value there,

484
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,959
Speaker 4: but I would not be shocked if White ends up

485
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 4: being more of the workhorse back. We were both pretty

486
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 4: high on him coming out of the draft last year.

487
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 4: I think he has a ton of upside, but just

488
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 4: this offense, going from Tom Brady to Baker Mayfield is

489
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 4: gonna be a big drop off. So I don't know

490
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 4: if there's much touch on upside there, and this could

491
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 4: be more of a running back by committee than I

492
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 4: would like, But I think I think White will be

493
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 4: the guy heading in the season.

494
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, this could be a run heavy

495
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 3: offense with Baker Mayfield at the helm.

496
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 2: I think the yeah, the issues.

497
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 3: I don't recall Mayfield being a guy that's rowing to

498
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: his back that often, regardless of who it is. I

499
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 3: remember who was our guy on on the Rams last

500
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: year that that never and Kyron Williams.

501
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: Williams.

502
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, I don't know if the pass

503
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 3: catching even comes in now that this could be the

504
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: worst iteration of this Bucks team and since pre Tom Brady,

505
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 3: I think their win total was only six and a

506
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: half in the cellar in the cellar of the NFC South.

507
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 3: So from that perspective, you know, maybe maybe they get

508
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 3: some more opportunities. But I have to look at it

509
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 3: and say, you know, I don't think it would have

510
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 3: been that hard to just retain Fournette if they wanted to.

511
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 2: I know, he was kind of a Tom Brady guy,

512
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: I guess.

513
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking they're going to give it to White,

514
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: and the fact that White is still going, you know,

515
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: after guys like Miles Sanders and Montgomery, you know, I

516
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: think there's similar question marks.

517
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: With all these guys different reasons.

518
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 3: So I don't actually Mindad taking Mashada while he's going

519
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 3: outside the top twenty four running backs right now, just out.

520
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: So I think Edmonds is just you know, he's a guy.

521
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: Yes he could cut in, but at the same time,

522
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 3: he can also get cut you know, like he's he's

523
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: not he's not ingratiated to this coaching staff and any

524
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: type of ways that's been bouncing around the league for

525
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Damien Harris goes from the

526
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 3: Patriots to the Bills, So you know, the question here

527
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 3: would be does he just slide right into the singletary

528
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: role even though he's hasn't really shown as much as

529
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 3: a you know, in the receiving game, or is this

530
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 3: a good sign for James Cook Or do we think

531
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 3: Minnesota still has another move? I mean Buffalo's does another

532
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: move to to make perhaps you know trade and for

533
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: a guy like like a down.

534
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's certainly possible.

535
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, Damien Harris might fill in the role that

536
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,479
Speaker 4: Buffalo envision for Zach Moss but didn't pan out. I mean,

537
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 4: he's a bigger back. I think eventually they're gonna want

538
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 4: Josh Allen not run the ball so much in short

539
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 4: yard situations, So having a bigger back like Harris, you know,

540
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 4: could you know, help in that regard. And I don't

541
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 4: think we ever thought James Cook was going to be

542
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 4: a true workhorse back. So this could be a blessing

543
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 4: in disguise for Cook because I think he's still going

544
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 4: to be, you know, have RB three value even if

545
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 4: Harris does take the full singletary role. So you know,

546
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 4: I still think Cook's going to dominate the passing nowt work,

547
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 4: mixing on early downs. I mean, this is a really

548
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 4: good offense. So I still think Cook is very sneaky.

549
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: It was.

550
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 4: I know we were mentioned this towards the end of

551
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 4: last season, just how little they use nikem Hines after

552
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 4: that trade, because he's another good pass catching back. He's

553
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 4: still very good, so he might be used a lot

554
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 4: more this season. That might worry me more, you know,

555
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: really eating.

556
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: At James cook passing now work.

557
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 4: But I think either way, I think Cook is you know,

558
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 4: an RB three with plenty of upside, especially in PPR

559
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 4: formats where you know, Harris there's only so much early

560
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 4: down work that he can get on this pass out

561
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 4: of the offense. So I still think Cook is pretty sneaky.

562
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Cook is another guy.

563
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm looking at the fantasy points

564
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: eighty Piter's obviously, you know there's not much to go

565
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: off of ADP wise this time of year. But James

566
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: Cook is already RB twenty eight. So I that to me,

567
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 3: that's actually too high. I think, yeah, I mean this

568
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 3: Buffalo backfield, like I said, I just want I just

569
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: worry that they could they might not be done making moves.

570
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: So you know, Harris is RB thirty two. I think

571
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: they could be a little both of them could be

572
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: overvalued at those ADPs, just because we know Buffalo, yes,

573
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 3: they probably want Josh Allen to run less, but they

574
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: also dropped back to pass like seventy percent of the

575
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: time exactly. So the consistency there is just really hard

576
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: to come by. And then now you're also talking about

577
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 3: with the Naim Hines potentially as a third guy, You're

578
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: you're talking about a limited ceiling too. So at this point,

579
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 3: the Buffalo backfield not really a one I'm investing in.

580
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: And you know, David Harris, despite how well and I

581
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: thought he ran really well at times in New England,

582
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: but they still considered him expendable. And you know, we've

583
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 3: seen what happens when New England kind of let's go

584
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: of it back. They kind of bounce around and really

585
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: never reached that consistency. Well, you don't think about a

586
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: Sony Michelle. He had a few good games for the Rams,

587
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 3: I think, but you know it's been tough. So, yeah,

588
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 3: this is kind of a red flag backfield for me

589
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 3: at this point. Jamal Williams our guy goes to the Saints,

590
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 3: so it should be a fun team. Jamal Willians one

591
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: of my favorite, one of my favorite running backs. If

592
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: you haven't seen like some of his interviews, Yeah, man, so,

593
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: but I mean the touchdown, the touchdown upside. Man, it

594
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: just that's just he's it was an outlier season last year. Yeah,

595
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: with the seventeen touchdowns. But you know, what do you

596
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: think happens now? We've always seen this role behind Alvin

597
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: Kamara be relevant at some point for the Saints team,

598
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: and now you know he's dealing with the legal issue

599
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 3: as well. So you know, what are your thoughts on

600
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 3: Williams here?

601
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so again I wouldn't expect seventeen touchdowns again, this year,

602
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: but as always, don't overlook him. And obviously when Kamara

603
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: is healthy, it's it's hard to see him commanding two

604
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: many touches. He could, you know, be their main goal

605
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: line back, but again probably not going to score seventeen

606
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 4: touchdowns again. But like you said, Kamara, you know he's

607
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 4: still facing legal issues and a potential suspension, so that

608
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: gives Jamal a clear path to RB two upside to

609
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 4: begin the season without needing an injury. So he's he's

610
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 4: one of those backup running backs that carries a ton

611
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 4: of upside anyway, and he has a clear path to

612
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 4: hitting that potentially for the first six games. So his

613
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: his ADP's like RB like thirty five range, which is

614
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 4: about fair. But if you want to take advantage of

615
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 4: a potential suspension that you know he would be the

616
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: type of player to you know, invest early. So I

617
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: think the RB three range certainly makes sense for him

618
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 4: right now.

619
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, at this point, especially with all the uncertainty,

620
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: I rather draft a guy like him again who's going

621
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: after guys like Harris and Cook and Sanders and Montgomery,

622
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: because you they get a good six games of him

623
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: being the weed back. We've always seen the Saints team

624
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: kind of be one that you know that that second

625
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: running back will come into play, and you never know,

626
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: kamaras getting older anyway, you know, he could potentially miss

627
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: more games.

628
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: So I think there's a lot of upside.

629
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure Williams will be pretty high in your you know,

630
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: backup running back rankings. Absolutely, so, Yeah, he's a guy

631
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: I don't mind investing in at all. Of rashot Penny

632
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: is now with the Philadelphia Eagles, So does he just

633
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: slide right into that Miles Sanders ru I think it's

634
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: you know, Penny is a guy who we've seen him

635
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: run really well, and he's a little bit bigger than

636
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: in the standards. I think this could be. I mean,

637
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: this is kind of intriguing here. I know the pass

638
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: catch is really not going to be there, But what

639
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: do you think of Penny?

640
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an exciting move.

641
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 4: You know, he's one of the best peer runners win

642
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: healthy obviously. You know, since twenty twenty one he's first

643
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 4: and yards per tempt first and yards over expected per

644
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 4: rush the next gen stats stat.

645
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: I love.

646
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 4: Now he's playing behind one of the best offensive lines

647
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 4: and football defenses left to try to slow down Jalen Hurts.

648
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 4: So Penny could break a handful of just huge runs

649
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: this season. You know, he's not going off for much

650
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: in the passing game, but as always, he's a huge

651
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 4: injury risk, so you'll know when to play him.

652
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: It's when he's healthy. But I don't know if you

653
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: can get through a full.

654
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: Seventeen game season, but you know that kind of comes

655
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 4: with the territory. So he's a high upside RB three

656
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 4: who I think will be really good to have, you know,

657
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: to start the season, but as always, you can't bank

658
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 4: on him and stay healthy unfortunately.

659
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's a he's a good fit for

660
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: that Sanders role. And yeah, you know he's going round

661
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: RB thirty eight ish, you know, so another guy I

662
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: don't mind investing in because he could just go right

663
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: into that Sanders road. Not gonna give you a ton

664
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: of pass catching, so you know that's why I but

665
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: you know, for the price, and you know he's another

666
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: guy with that high yard for attempt to average good

667
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: old lone like you said, So yeah, it's another guy

668
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: don't mind investig in here. And we'll wrap it up

669
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: running running backs with deonce Foreman. He goes to Chicago,

670
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: had a really good year in Carolina last year. So

671
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: now does he just slide into the Khalil Herbert role?

672
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: Is that what we're thinking here?

673
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: And Herbert slides into the Monty role?

674
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm asking you who do you think.

675
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: I would say that that makes sense? I think Herbert

676
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 4: is the man. You know, he's shown whenever Montgomery was out,

677
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 4: you know, he was putting up RB one numbers. I

678
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 4: love Clill Herbert. He led the league and yards expected

679
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: for rush or yards over expected per rush attempt according

680
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: next Stats.

681
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: I think he's really good.

682
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 4: They brought in Foreman because, yeah, they need someone in

683
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: the backfield with them. They're very run heavy teams. I

684
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 4: think both backs can be fancy relevant when they're both healthy.

685
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 4: But I think Herbert could push RB two three, you know,

686
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: flex value even with Foreman active. And then if Foreman

687
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: miss his time, Herbert has low end RB two potential,

688
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 4: So you know, Foreman signing on the surface doesn't look

689
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 4: good for Herbert. But I still think Herbert's going to

690
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 4: be the lead back in this offense this season.

691
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Herbert going in the mid thirties, Foreman in

692
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: the mid to low forties, and in terms of ADP

693
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: at running back. I don't mind investing into Herbert either.

694
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: I think he will probably be the league guy. And

695
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: you know, Foreman, let's be honest. You know, he had

696
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: that big breakout with Carolina last year, but again, there

697
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: was just you know, there was a certain coaching staff,

698
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: there's a certain kind of team build.

699
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now you're switching it up.

700
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: And you know, Foreman has also been a guy that's

701
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: you know, he's been a second third, even a guy

702
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: that's been a healthy scratch at times in his career.

703
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: So we don't know exactly how he's going to pan out.

704
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: But I do think Herbert's on the upswing and this

705
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: team also this year, I mean they may not be

706
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: as run heavy because they have started to make some moves,

707
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: you know, get better in terms of pass protection and

708
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: at the wide receiver position with with Dj mooreho will

709
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: talk about in a second. So yeah, I think I

710
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: think Montgomery, Uh excuse me, Herbert is the guy with

711
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: Montgomery out of the picture.

712
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's RB thirty five ish. Yeah, and maybe

713
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: I love the value of getting on him there.

714
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, like I think the guys we mentioned towards

715
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: the end. You know, Williams, Penny Khalil Herbert. Those are

716
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: the guys to invest in over, you know, guys going

717
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: a lot earlier, you know, like like like my like

718
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: Montgomery and Mim Sanders and guys like that.

719
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: Hey, the frozen Pond tier exactly.

720
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's gonna be epic this year because we're

721
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: gonna like none of these guys could.

722
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: Catch the damn football.

723
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to wide receiver and we will

724
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: talk about DJ Moreho I just mentioned in a minute,

725
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: but I want to start off with DeAndre Hopkins because

726
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: it looks like now he may be on the move

727
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: from Arizona. Looks like they're they may be prepared to

728
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: just kind of punt the season with Kyler Murray, you know,

729
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: potentially missing a good chunk of it. So you know,

730
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: how does this First of all, let's say he moves on,

731
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: how does that impact the Arizona guys like Markue's Rondo

732
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: More And then you know, any thought some where he

733
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: may land.

734
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like the corner of Von Miller, he said,

735
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 4: Hopkins wants to betray the Bills.

736
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine if that happens.

737
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 4: But again, I want to say, you know, Mark east

738
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 4: Brown could be a solid wide receiver two. Rondelle Moore

739
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: would be a wide receiver three four type possibly, But

740
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: the KB situation is a total mess.

741
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: We have no idea who's going to be the.

742
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 4: Quarterback for the first six eight games, right because you

743
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 4: know Kyler's probably going to miss some time. Cole McCoy's hurt,

744
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 4: so I don't know if they bring in like a

745
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 4: Teddy Bridgewater type to start this season or, like you said,

746
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 4: just punted, So that that's kind of holding me up

747
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 4: on like how to rank these guys. But you know

748
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 4: they're going away from Cliff Kingsbury to this new offensive

749
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: corn or Drew Petsig who's coming over from Cleveland, so

750
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: we could see more two tight end sets, So guys

751
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: like Ertz and McBride could see a boost. If Hopkins

752
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 4: gets traded away, it wouldn't necessarily be the receivers, but

753
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 4: right out, this whole Cardinals team is an absolute mess.

754
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: So I'm just kind of waiting to see how it

755
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 4: all plays out. But it does seem like, just given

756
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 4: the situation, Hopkins could be on the move just because

757
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: their season seems like it's going to be a disaster.

758
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Honestly, if it was just going to cult

759
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: McCoy for six eight games, I would be more comfortable

760
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: in terms of how to project these guys because we've

761
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: seen exactly McCoy and you know, he's been solid. He's

762
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: just going to get rid of the ball fast. And

763
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 3: that's actually good for the receiving volume of those guys.

764
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: But if we if we get somebody else, we could

765
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: see a move to a very, very run heavy type

766
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: of team that just tries to you know, keep the

767
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 3: game short, in the game as much as possible, and

768
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: that you know, even for a guy like Marku's Brown

769
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: who ended up catching was it five point six balls

770
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: per game last year, that volume may not be there.

771
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: So this is, Yeah, this is a situation that as

772
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: of now I'm kind of treading lightly with, But it

773
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 3: doesn't look like, at least as of now, you want

774
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 3: to invest much into into the Arizona Cardinals in fantasy. Now,

775
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: if we get more clarity, I think then you know,

776
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: maybe Brown more, both of those guys could see a

777
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: ton of volume in the right offense, but we could

778
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 3: just see a kind of dip in the passing volume

779
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 3: across the board this Cardinal team, especially if they trade Hopkins,

780
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 3: you know, then we don't we don't even have Hopkins.

781
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: Why are we dropping it back? You know, forty times.

782
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 3: Games DJ Moore, as I mentioned, goes in the trade

783
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 3: from the Panthers to the Chicago Bears.

784
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: Is can he put up you know, can.

785
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 3: He kind of push for for wide receiver one value

786
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: here with justin Fields? Or do you think it's still

787
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 3: this offen is still going to be too run heavy.

788
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably not wide receiver one. I just don't think

789
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 4: he has a touch on upside. I think it is

790
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 4: a slight upgrade for More. I mean the Panthers, He'd

791
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 4: situation has been a dumpster fire for a while now,

792
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: so the change in scenery could help. He's going to

793
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 4: be the clear number one target in this offense. But

794
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: I think they'll still be, you know, pretty run heavy,

795
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: and every time justin Field scrambles that that's going to

796
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 4: take away potential DJ more target. And Moore's weakness is

797
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 4: always a lack of touchdowns. Last season he finally scored

798
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 4: seven touchdowns. I think that's that's probably his ceiling still

799
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 4: at this point. So I still view him as you know,

800
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 4: probably a low rund wide receiver two.

801
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: This is more of just great news for Justin Field.

802
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 4: This is reminding me of just when the Eagles started

803
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: to really build around Yalen Hurts. So, I mean, Justin

804
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: Fields is really becoming a top five quarterback for me,

805
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: and this is the type of move that can really

806
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 4: get him there. So this just makes me super excited

807
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 4: for Justin Fields heading into the season.

808
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, DJ Moore already going at wide receiver twenty. You know,

809
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 3: that's one where you know, I don't love it there.

810
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: I think I want to see more of how everyone

811
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: kind of plays out around him and you know, get

812
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 3: get you know, more of a concrete ranking on him.

813
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 3: But you know, wide receiver twenty with a guy who,

814
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: like you said, I don't know if he has that

815
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: wide receiver one upside at least this year, you know, especially,

816
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: and he's still going to have Darnel Mooney there probably

817
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: and you know, like if this team's not super pass heavy,

818
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: the consistency you know, for him at a wide receiver twenty,

819
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: I think he want more consistency week two weeks. So

820
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: like to move for Justin I think that's the way

821
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 3: to kind of a jest. As of now, Brandon Cooks

822
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: goes from the Texans to the Dallas Cowboys.

823
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: Does he does?

824
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: He just kind of slide into that Mari Cooper row

825
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 3: of of you know, years past, here is the number

826
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: two guy. Uh, you know, I'm I'm assuming, you know,

827
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: Gallup was kind of a hit or miss.

828
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: I know he'll be a little more removed now.

829
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: But I'm assuming Cooks, you know, is going to be

830
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: that number two guy behind Lamb, especially with Dalton Schultz

831
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: also gone.

832
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: So where is your outlooks?

833
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

834
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: For him?

835
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's obviously going to try to fill

836
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 4: the Mark Cooper role. I mean, Jalen Tolver and James

837
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 4: Washington just didn't pan out last year, so they they

838
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: didn't really get Mariy Cooper replacement. So, like you mentioned,

839
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 4: they did lose Dalton Schultz, which should open up a

840
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 4: ton of targets. They don't really have anybody there, however.

841
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 4: They they do seem pretty likely to draft Michael Mayer

842
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: with their first pick, so that would be the Dalton

843
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 4: Schultz replacement there, and Mike McCarthy is all also mentioned running.

844
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: The ball more yep.

845
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: So I don't think Brandon Cooks is gonna put up

846
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 4: Mark Cooper numbers. And I think this is probably a

847
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 4: drop off from being the number one, the clear number

848
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 4: one target in the Texans like he was a couple

849
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 4: of years ago. I would say to now being the

850
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 4: number two target and the Cowboys is maybe a slight

851
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: drop off. So I view Cooks is more of a

852
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 4: I don't know, like a high end wide receiver three

853
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: as opposed to like a wide receiver two like an

854
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: Amari Cooper would be.

855
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, then you're gonna want to draft

856
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks because right now he's going wide receiver forty one.

857
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: What yeah, man, So you know, I think the you know,

858
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you listen, he did have some inconsistencies what

859
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: you said. He is now thirty, so there, you know,

860
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: there are some red flags. But again I think that's

861
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: why you take advantage of that. And even as the

862
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: number two target in a little bit of a run

863
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: heavy reference, you've still got Dak Prescott, your number one

864
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 3: back looks like Tony Pollard as of now. They're gonna

865
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: throw at football like they're not gonna just come out

866
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: and you know, run more, like significantly more. Regardless of

867
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: what McCarty said, it's like we always hear in the offseason,

868
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: these they're these guys are like estimating what they're gonna

869
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: do play go on wise, and their numbers are always

870
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 3: so off. So yeah, I like the upside for Brandon,

871
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: especially at the price I think he could yeah forty yeah, yeah,

872
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 3: like after after you got like the number one starters

873
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: on most teams, you know, if you're looking at number

874
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: two receivers. I think the Cowboys are still one of

875
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: those teams, uh you want to look at.

876
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, talk about red flags though, I mean he has

877
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 4: been traded what six times now in the past five years.

878
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 4: That's not that's probably not a good sign, Like he

879
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 4: might not be good in the locker room or something.

880
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: But you know, he's still talented. How old is he now?

881
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 2: So this will be his age thirty season?

882
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: Okay, so he's turning thirty, okay, yeah, so yeah, I

883
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 4: still think he has some juice.

884
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: So he does have upside.

885
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 4: And if you get him outside of the top forty

886
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 4: right now, that's that's some great value.

887
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

888
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: And I don't think I don't think you acquire him

889
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: if you're not trying to give him targets, because that

890
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: that's probably the locker room issue. Yeah, like when he

891
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: hasn't gotten targets, you know, aside from being on a

892
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 3: bad team like the Texans, you know, Dallas kind of

893
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: they're good team and they have to so uh yeah,

894
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 3: I think good situation for Hyeah.

895
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 4: He was only causing a scene last year because he

896
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 4: didn't want to waste away on the Texans.

897
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: That I can't blame him for that.

898
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: Speaking of wasting away, Juju Shooester, you know, I mean

899
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 3: the promise from where he was, you know, those first

900
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 3: couple of seasons in Pittsburgh. As to what he's kind

901
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: of turned into, especially at still a pretty young age,

902
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: it's kind of I would, I'll say, concerning, to say

903
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 3: the least. So now he he goes from Kansas City

904
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: to New England. You know, does he can you even

905
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 3: put up Jacobe Myers numbers?

906
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: I guess it is my question like at this point.

907
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 4: No, No, he's obviously a drop off from Myers at

908
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 4: this point in his career. And it's hard to believe,

909
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 4: Juju is he's only twenty six years old. It seems

910
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 4: like ten years ago you me and Friedman were debating

911
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 4: whether drank Key or Antonio Brown higher on the Steelers.

912
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 4: That just seems such a long time go last year.

913
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 4: I think at the end, towards the end, like the playoffs,

914
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 4: you were saying he looks washed, right.

915
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he didn't look right at all. If

916
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: you can't, you know, be.

917
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 4: A hole run in the Chiefs offense as the number

918
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: two target behind Travis Kelcey, obviously, like how are you

919
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: going to succeed in this Patriots offense?

920
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: So I'm not buying him.

921
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 4: I think they do expect him to try to fill

922
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 4: the Myers role, but I just don't see him doing it. So, yeah,

923
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: he's just more of a wide receiver four with limited upside.

924
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 4: So I'm just not interested in at all in this offense.

925
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's wide receiver forty six, so it's

926
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: not I guess he's not the worst flyer, but so

927
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: many red flags. I mean he's scored He's scored three

928
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: touchdowns over the last two years on one hundred and

929
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: twenty nine targets in his age twenty five and twenty

930
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: six seasons, which is just you know, you're expecting the

931
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: guy to start peaking around man, and he really hasn't

932
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 3: done anything in terms of yards per catch. Wait, I

933
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 3: mean it's it's hard to see him in this new

934
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: England offense now kind of rebound. The one thing he'd

935
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: have working for him potentially is volume. But I don't

936
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 3: even I didn't see him getting open the way he

937
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: used to because again you mentioned it. Yeah he's going

938
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 3: he's playing second photto to Kelsea. He should be opened

939
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: quite a bit. But he wasn't beating a lot of

940
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 3: coverage down the stretch last year. So you know, four

941
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: point nine catches per game for fifty eight yards last year.

942
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: I don't even know if he hits that with New

943
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 3: England this year. So yeah, not an exciting buye.

944
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: No, And he they brought in Mike is sicky. He

945
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: could eat.

946
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 4: But you know, the Patriots, not that we could ever

947
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 4: predict what they're going to do in the draft, but

948
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 4: right now they're more likely to draft a wide receiver

949
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 4: their first pick, so they are they're potentially in the

950
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 4: market for Jackson Smith and jig but Zey Flowers. If

951
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 4: they draft either one of those guys, you know that's

952
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 4: going to be even more crippling for.

953
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: Sure, or to the Patriots because they seem to never

954
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: be able to draft wide receivers.

955
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, this is an instance where they draft somebody

956
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 4: that's good like, I don't know if anybody actually you

957
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 4: like Nikhil Harry or some of the other guys they've drafted,

958
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 4: but again, they're not gonna do what they should do.

959
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna draft some random tackle or something.

960
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: Right Jacoby and Jacoby Jacobe Myers now goes to the Raiders,

961
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: you know, so he's he's kind of bumping down a

962
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: little bit on the target totem pole with demonte a

963
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: queer number one. Does he does he come anywhere close

964
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: now to replicating his numbers from last year.

965
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 4: It's gonna be tough, you know, playing behind such an elite,

966
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 4: you know, target geter like DeVante Adams. But you know,

967
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 4: the loss of Darren Waller should help. Again, they have

968
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 4: Austin Hooper there, but also there's all there's trade rumors

969
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 4: around Hunter Renfro, so if they do trade him away,

970
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 4: that will help. But it's gonna be tough for him

971
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: competing with Adams and potentially Renfro to really hit the

972
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: numbers he had last year. He was such, you know,

973
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 4: he was the clear target in that offense. Obviously has

974
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 4: some limited touch on upside, so I just view him

975
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 4: as more of a volume dependent wide receiver. Three four

976
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 4: in this offense. Nothing to get excited about. But again,

977
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 4: he has a pretty high floor in that range. So

978
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 4: it kind of just depends how your draft is going.

979
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 4: If he's a type of receiver you want to target.

980
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he averaged six point nine targets per

981
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: game for the Patriots Mac Hollins in that number two

982
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 3: row last year five and a half targets. I think

983
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: Myers is somewhere in between those two. You know, probably

984
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: five to six targets a game.

985
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: I would think for.

986
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: Myers behind Adam, especially with you know, Jimmy g at quarterback.

987
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: Now there's a little bit of upside if their defense

988
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: is bad obviously, or if Adams gets hurt. But you know,

989
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: he's going around wire Rescree for forty eight. I think

990
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: that's fair just because we've never seen him really score touchdowns.

991
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 3: He's not going to put up like a massive yard

992
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 3: per catch average or anything like that. So yeah, it's

993
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: tough to get behind him. Elijah Moore goes from the

994
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: Jets to Cleveland. Does he have any value here? And

995
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: you know he's probably still behind Cooper Najoku potentially even

996
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: DPJ who broke out.

997
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's.

998
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 4: Not really someone we need to draft, but you know,

999
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: keep an eye on him. There's still no denying he

1000
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: has talent. I mean, he had a really good rookie

1001
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: season last year. He just completely flopped, you know, probably

1002
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 4: had to do, you know, with just the brutal QB situation.

1003
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 4: You know, Garrett Wilson just being an absolute stud right

1004
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 4: away probably contributed that. So, you know, more my fate

1005
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 4: into the background for a couple of years and pop

1006
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 4: up kind of like a Zay Jones type of career arc.

1007
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 4: So I still, you know, like his upside, but you

1008
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: know he's going to be the fourth target on the

1009
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 4: Browns to start the season, So it's really hard to

1010
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 4: invest right away. But it wouldn't surprise me up you know,

1011
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 4: farther down the line, if there's injuries or something, he

1012
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 4: pops up. But heading in the season now I'm not

1013
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 4: buying in.

1014
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, there's just been enough red flags

1015
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: with him. Another guy who started out well and just

1016
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: kind of went downhill a little bit like Juju Alan Wizard,

1017
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: he's going around.

1018
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: Why was he for fifty six?

1019
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: Now?

1020
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: Kind of mentioned him before any any other thoughts. You know,

1021
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: it is there any value at that at that price.

1022
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: I just you know, I just worry about the target chare,

1023
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: especially because I know he's a great blocker, like he'll

1024
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: be on the field. Yeah, you know, he could be

1025
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: behind Corey Davis even and you know for targets.

1026
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: So how are you looking at it?

1027
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I mean I'm not buying in on him.

1028
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 4: Last year, I loved him. You know, he had a

1029
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 4: career year last year without Davonte. He's not really a

1030
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 4: number one wide receiver, so I'm not too worried about him,

1031
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 4: you know, becoming a number two option behind Garrett Wilson.

1032
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 4: So I think sticking with Aaron Rodgers potentially this actually

1033
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: goes through certainly helps. But you know, again he's going

1034
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 4: to be more of the number two, potentially number three option, So.

1035
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: It's definitely a downgrade. What's his ADP right now, like.

1036
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: Fifty six, So it's pretty cheap. Yeah, yeah, it's cheap.

1037
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 4: It's hard to get excited about him, but he's not

1038
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 4: a bad buy that price. There's probably guys in that range,

1039
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 4: maybe with more upside, but yeah, he's going to have

1040
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 4: Rogers who knows, you know, he's Rogers boy. Maybe he

1041
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 4: just you know, targets him early just because they have chemistry,

1042
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 4: So he might be buying it at that price, but

1043
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 4: it would be really tough to buy him if he

1044
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 4: gets like inside of the top fifty.

1045
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the defense should be good, so could down Yeah. Yeah,

1046
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: not a ton of volume of Beckham Odell. Beckham finally

1047
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: has a team. He's on the Ravens, but we don't

1048
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: know what's going on with the.

1049
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: Ravens quarterback situation.

1050
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: So I mean Beckham's AP right now is wide receiver fifty.

1051
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's gonna go up, you know, because he

1052
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: should be the top well top receiver on the Ravens,

1053
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: although you know Bateman is still there.

1054
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews obviously be the number one target.

1055
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: But I don't know, how do you value Beckham? I

1056
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 3: guess right now, he's coming off an injury. We have

1057
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: no idea about the quarterback situation, a tight end that

1058
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: could you know, out target him, and then there's another

1059
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 3: guy who was there, a de facto number one that's

1060
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 3: coming back.

1061
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1062
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: No, I this is really hard to project.

1063
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 4: I'm probably not buying into Beckham, like you said, you know,

1064
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: he's not gonna be the number one target.

1065
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: That'll be Mark Andrews.

1066
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 4: I still like Rashaw Bateman, so you know, he has

1067
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 4: some stiff target cometition on a team that might not

1068
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 4: throw that much and we don't even know who their

1069
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 4: quarterback is going to be. So I'm oftome. I think

1070
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 4: he should be pretty much one hundred percent at this point.

1071
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: I mean, he didn't really play last year, so that

1072
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 4: that should be good. But yeah, no, I want nothing

1073
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: to do with him in this offense. I think it

1074
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 4: was a terrible landing spot for him.

1075
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah it's you know, I mean he's if he stays

1076
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 3: around that, you know, outside the top fifty.

1077
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't mind taking a flyer.

1078
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: Because he could be he could have had similar to

1079
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: a kind of situation with the Rams, where maybe he

1080
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: doesn't catch a ton of balls each game, but you

1081
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: know he owes a threat for a touchdown.

1082
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, that would depend on Lamar being there and

1083
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: a lot.

1084
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: So as of right now, I don't love it too much,

1085
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 3: but I got to keep an eye on at least Yeah,

1086
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 3: he could emerge it at least the number one receiver

1087
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: if they're not the number one target Adam Thieven he

1088
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 3: goes to Carolina, is he just is he just washed

1089
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: at this point, like was this you know, is he

1090
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: gonna is he gonna put up DJ moore tech target numbers?

1091
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: I mean he's going wide receiver sixty one.

1092
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: So people aren't believing in him as of now, but

1093
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 3: it seems like they signed him to be the number

1094
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 3: one receiver.

1095
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a wide receiver sixty one, he's enticing.

1096
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say he's washed. I mean, is he in

1097
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: the decline phase of his career? Has he lost some speed? Absolutely?

1098
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 4: But if you watch them of the film last year,

1099
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 4: he's still great. You know, he's still a good route

1100
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 4: runner and he gets open. But a lot of the

1101
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 4: time he would be open and Cousins would just target

1102
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson instead, And could you blame him? I mean,

1103
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson's are gonna be the best receiver in the game.

1104
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 4: So I think just now that he goes to a

1105
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 4: Panthers team where he sets the top just completely inexperienced

1106
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 4: wide receiver depth chart, I think he could dominate targets.

1107
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 4: And I'm assuming, you know, the Panthers are they're gonna

1108
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 4: be drafting Bryce Young, so he could be a good,

1109
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 4: you know, security blanket for a rookie like Bryce Young,

1110
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 4: so I think he could dominate targets. So I have

1111
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 4: him as you know, a low end wide receiver four

1112
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 4: or five, but he has a higher floor than most

1113
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 4: of these guys in this wide receiver sixty range. So

1114
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 4: I do think he is offering value. There is probably

1115
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 4: the number one target in his offense.

1116
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, at that price, I think he

1117
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: might as well take a flyer on him. But yeah,

1118
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: I'm I do think he's he's kind of past that

1119
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: point where he's you know, he's going to go back

1120
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: to what he used to be and this could the

1121
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: floor is still massively well, which I guess is factored in.

1122
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, I wouldn't say he's like gonna put up

1123
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 4: DJ more numbers or Adam Feeling twenty twenty numbers or

1124
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 4: something like that.

1125
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't say he's washed. But the next guy,

1126
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: we might say.

1127
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Alan Robinson, he gets he goes to Pittsburgh.

1128
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: Just I guess the biggest.

1129
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: Thing is, does does he impact Pickens or or Deyonta anyway.

1130
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't think so, just based on the fact that

1131
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 3: this guy couldn't really get open last year.

1132
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I'm not too worried about Deontay Johnson or

1133
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 4: George Pickens. With Alan Robinson in town, you know, I'm

1134
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 4: off on Allan Robinson if he couldn't hit last year,

1135
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 4: as he had a clear path to be the number

1136
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 4: two target on the Rams and he, you know, he

1137
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 4: completely flopped. So going to Pittsburgh where they already have

1138
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 4: Deontay Johnson, George Pickens, even Pat Fryarmouth, you know he's

1139
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 4: gonna be the number four target in this offense at best.

1140
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 4: So I'm completely often maybe you can take him in

1141
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 4: the later rounds in best Ball or something, but I'm

1142
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 4: not worried about anybody else's value with them, you know,

1143
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 4: landing Alan Rumpson, I think he is definitely in the

1144
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 4: washed category.

1145
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I don't think we want anything to

1146
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 3: do with him. It's close it up with some tight ends.

1147
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: Darren Waller is the big one, goes to the Giants

1148
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 3: from the Raiders. What do you think he's going to

1149
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: tight end seven right now? Could he get back to

1150
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 3: kind of putting up that value. I know he's been

1151
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: kind of banged up the last couple of years.

1152
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's that's about right for him. You know,

1153
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 4: his value is probably the same. You know, this this

1154
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 4: offense is going to have a lower volume to go round,

1155
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 4: but he could be the clear number one target just

1156
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 4: giving their lack of weapons right now, and they have

1157
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 4: like eight slot receivers. Have you seen their trot they

1158
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: have like oh yeah, flock, what the hell? But you know,

1159
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 4: he's obviously their best pass catcher. They're also in the

1160
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 4: market to draft a really good potential like slot receiver

1161
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 4: with their first pick, so that could be a slight

1162
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 4: hit to Waller. But as of right now, I think

1163
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 4: Waller has a clear path to volume in this offense.

1164
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 4: But you know, the last couple of seasons he's not

1165
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 4: saying healthy. So you know, he played eight games last year,

1166
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 4: eleven games year before.

1167
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: We just we have to remember that Waller was a

1168
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: late bloomer.

1169
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 4: He's on the wrong side of thirty, so you know,

1170
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 4: durability is still.

1171
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: An issue with him.

1172
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 4: So he has top five upside, but you know, you

1173
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 4: just can't trust him stay healthy. So I think tight

1174
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 4: end seven sounds out right right now.

1175
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, if you can kind of get him,

1176
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: you know, outside the seventh round or something like that,

1177
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 3: or outside the sixth, top six rounds, you know he's

1178
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: more of the risk doesn't hurt you as much. I

1179
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 3: think it's it's worth taking a shot at him getting back,

1180
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 3: you know, to that top tier of tight ends, because

1181
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: it's a hard position to compete if you don't get

1182
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 3: a Travis Kelce or somebody like that. And Dalton Schultz

1183
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 3: he you know, he's the other tight end of note

1184
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: who made a move. He goes to the Texans. He

1185
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 3: I mean he could be the number one target on

1186
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 3: the Texans at this point. I mean, Nico Collins is

1187
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: still there, but Brandon Cooks is not. Chultz is actually

1188
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 3: going tight end ten. He's going right around just around

1189
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 3: the pick number one hundred. Overall, what do you think him?

1190
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 4: He is tricky because you know, like you said, he

1191
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 4: could be the number one target. Although you know they

1192
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 4: got Robert Woods, so he has some competition.

1193
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: Now.

1194
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 4: It's definitely going to be a QB downgrade. And you know,

1195
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 4: when it comes to Schultz, I never considered him an

1196
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 4: elite tight end. You know, he certainly was a good

1197
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 4: fit for the Cowboys offense. You know, he was Dack's

1198
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 4: one of Dak's favorite targets. So this could be a situation.

1199
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 4: I don't know like an Austin Hooper when he went

1200
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 4: from the Falcons to the Browns.

1201
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: And I was completely off him.

1202
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 4: Now, you know, Hooper's bounced around the Titans and Raiders

1203
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 4: and we couldn't care less about him. I don't think

1204
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 4: ChIL is that bad necessarily, but I think, you know,

1205
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 4: tight end ten is a bit too pricey for him,

1206
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 4: like a guy.

1207
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: Like you know, t J.

1208
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 4: Hawkinson. I think he's in late tight end. So when

1209
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 4: he went to the Vikings, I still think he's going

1210
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 4: to dominate. But Schultz, I think there is just a

1211
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 4: question mark how he's going to blend in with this team.

1212
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 4: And you know, being the number one target, you know

1213
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 4: he's going to get more attention from the defense. I

1214
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 4: just don't think he has the athleticism to really overcome

1215
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 4: that much. So I think tight end ten is way

1216
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 4: too high for him. I'd rather take guys like Greg Dolcic,

1217
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 4: Chacka Kuwonku, Tyler Higbee, you know, Tyler McBride, Zeckertz than

1218
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 4: Schultz right now.

1219
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Schultz, could you know he's never he was about

1220
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 3: three three point eight catches for thirty nine yards last year.

1221
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 3: You know that's he even gets to that in the Texans.

1222
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: I think that would be good. And he's never been

1223
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 3: like a massive touchdown guy either. I don't know if

1224
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 3: this offense is going to be anywhere near the cop

1225
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I do know it's not gonna be anywhere

1226
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: near the Cowboys in efficiency, but even in volume, I

1227
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 3: don't think it probably gets there. So yeah, sheltz, I

1228
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: think even with that enticing, you know, top target potential here.

1229
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: You know Robert Woods, another guy probably doesn't do much here.

1230
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think you want to invest in

1231
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 3: like a Texans pass catcher with questionable range of outcomes

1232
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,799
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