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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in history class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Uh and

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Speaker 1: today will be fulfilling the wishes of people who have

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Speaker 1: written us requesting more sad royal stories. We got one

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Speaker 1: of those just yesterday and uh and this one is

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Speaker 1: um comes from Us, comes to us from Korea, and

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Speaker 1: it's another episode of royal madness. Uh. And it's quite

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Speaker 1: sad and interesting, particularly as viewed through the modern lens.

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Speaker 1: But in the seventeen hundreds, for context, Korea was ruled

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Speaker 1: at the time by the Chose chose On dynasty. May

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Speaker 1: or may not be butchering that. I will do my

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Speaker 1: very best. I do not speak Korean. Surprise, yea. We

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Speaker 1: have consulted with native Korean speakers, but again what comes

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Speaker 1: out of our mouth may not be properly paraded. We're

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Speaker 1: doing every and I always kind of want to have

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Speaker 1: this disclaimer about like physically, when you learn to pronounce

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Speaker 1: phonemes as a child, your brain loses that ability to

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Speaker 1: make your mouth make phonemes that aren't part of languages

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Speaker 1: you learn as a child, and so it's not just

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Speaker 1: a matter of it being difficult, like your mouth doesn't

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Speaker 1: move that way. And I have the um the thing

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Speaker 1: of my secondary language, which I am not fluent in

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Speaker 1: anymore but was very close to you when I was younger,

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Speaker 1: was French, and so even when I'm tackling Asian languages,

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Speaker 1: that kind of comes in. It's very strange, and I apologize.

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Speaker 1: So in any case, that dynasty had been in power

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Speaker 1: since thet since so it was a very long lasting dynasty.

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Speaker 1: But today's topic sits right in the mid seventeen hundreds,

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Speaker 1: and it covers the story of a man who is

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Speaker 1: often called Korea's coffin king, and you will find out

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Speaker 1: why as we go on. It's uh, quite interesting slash horrifying.

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Speaker 1: Crown Prince Sado of Korea has been described as insane, depraved, sadistic,

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Speaker 1: But when you really examine his short life, it's much

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Speaker 1: more complicated than a list of acts of savagery, even

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Speaker 1: though there are plenty of really horrifying events. So, starting

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Speaker 1: at the very beginning, he was born on February seventeen

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Speaker 1: he was the second son of King Yong Joe, and

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Speaker 1: Sado's mother was the King's favorite concubine, Lady Sonui. King Yan.

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Speaker 1: Joe's first son, Crown Prince Hyo Jang, had died seven

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Speaker 1: years before Soto was born at the age of nine.

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Speaker 1: The King's concerts had given birth to other children, but

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Speaker 1: they were all girls. So when Sado came into the world,

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Speaker 1: he filled the empty air slot. Yeah, that was a

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Speaker 1: big concern as you, as often happened, understand, there's a

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Speaker 1: there was much rejoicing when Soto was born. However, it

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Speaker 1: said that the king had a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: and it made him be behave in a sort of

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately that just made Young Joe kind of resentful

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Speaker 1: two really did not have any sort of nurturing element. However,

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Speaker 1: and possibly triggered by a case of the measles UH,

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Speaker 1: And around this time Sado developed a stammer uh and

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Speaker 1: So from this point on, the Prince's behavior became increasingly disturbing,

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Speaker 1: pretty open about saying like this was my favorite brother,

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Speaker 1: can see from the outside, that from the inside there

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Speaker 1: was a lot more going on than a simple list

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Speaker 1: to wonder how someone like him would have fared in

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Speaker 1: a time when mental illness could have been diagnosed and

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Speaker 1: Prince Sodo was originally buried in Mountain bebong Song in

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Speaker 1: now with some history on and I think people kind

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Speaker 1: necessarily have to be terrible. He was like someone that

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Speaker 1: did say it brought him great relief. Yeah, he eventually

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Speaker 1: seemed to think it was fun. That that he didn't

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Speaker 1: was the only way he knew to relieve stress, which

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Speaker 1: gets to where you're like, the only way I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: Like that's a strange place if you think about that

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Speaker 1: moment where somebody's having it. Yeah, now that's the thing

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Speaker 1: I don't know whatever means it's Do you also have

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Speaker 1: some listener mail? I do? This is listener mail that

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Speaker 1: made me smile? Should I always love? I'm glad we're

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Speaker 1: ending this episode with something that will make it so sad,

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Speaker 1: And it's I was texting with my best friend yesterday

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Speaker 1: while I was going over these notes, and and as

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Speaker 1: I mentioned in our f a Q episode. I sometimes

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Speaker 1: I haven't added information that that would be interesting because

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Speaker 1: I see what they ask about. But we were talking

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Speaker 1: for this man. Is that weird? He was a serial killer? Basically,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, people on the internet will get

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Speaker 1: super mad at people who express empathy for I just

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Speaker 1: everybody involved, I think, no, when they probably all had

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Speaker 1: the best of intentions and it just fell apart so

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm no clinician, so I would not be

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Speaker 1: able to diagnose what particular illness he, you know, was

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Speaker 1: I was struggling with but clearly mental illness, and there

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Speaker 1: was no way to treat it, which is heartbreaking. So

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Speaker 1: onto happy email. This comes from our listener Joshua, and

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Speaker 1: he says, good morning. I hope you're both doing well.

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Speaker 1: He's been listening for years to various stuff podcasts. He says,

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Speaker 1: I've just finished watching a Nova special that made me

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Speaker 1: think of YouTube three D spies in World War Two.

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Speaker 1: It was about the use of spitfires as spy planes

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Speaker 1: to view three D images using the photos, and how

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Speaker 1: they used what was called a wild machine to get

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Speaker 1: approximations of distances in the photos accurate enough to create

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Speaker 1: scale models of target bomb sites, and how this all

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Speaker 1: came together to stop a Nazi rocket program. As if

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Speaker 1: all of this technology and brilliance isn't enough and it's

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Speaker 1: really cool. Uh, that's my interjection. By the way. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there was one name mentioned that really rang a bell,

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Speaker 1: Disney imagineer Xavier Atencio, if I remember correctly, He was

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Speaker 1: a major player in the creation of Disney's Haunt imagine

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Speaker 1: You do remember correctly, Joshua. Uh. They said that the

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Speaker 1: Brits needed not only academic types, but creative types as

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Speaker 1: well to pour over the photos and make sense of them.

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Speaker 1: And due to this, one of the places that they

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Speaker 1: tapped for their photo interpreters was Hollywood, and Xavier Atencio

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Speaker 1: was one of the photo interpreters that was used during

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Speaker 1: World War Two and it was one of the people

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Speaker 1: interviewed for this Nova episode. I found this video and

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Speaker 1: it's tied to one of your episodes, rather interesting, and

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Speaker 1: I thought I would share that is really interesting and

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Speaker 1: really cool. I looked it up. I think it was

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Speaker 1: between forty five he was doing this work, which should

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Speaker 1: mean that he got pulled off of his work on

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Speaker 1: Fantasia to go do that, uh, which is really cool

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Speaker 1: and fascinating. And I had never that about Excedencio, so

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Speaker 1: that was super cool. Uh. Now I'm gonna go watch

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Speaker 1: that Nova special on my lunch. If you would like

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