1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of I Heart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, Lauren Bogle bomb here. Antibodies and antibody tests 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: have been all over the news lately, so let's talk 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: about them. They're part of how your body defends itself. 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: But how do they work and why are we testing 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: for them? Your immune system is like an entire agency 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: in your body that's dedicated to keeping the bad guys 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: at bay in order to effectively destroy the enemy or 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: antigens as they're called in the immune system BIZ. The 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: agency has two arms that ideally work together. The innate 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: immune response acts very quickly but without much of a plan, 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: and the adaptive immune response is slower but much more 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: specific and effective and needs to collect data in order 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: to work. Our innate immune response includes a lot of 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: initial defensive barriers like your skin and nose hairs, as 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: well as a few all purpose weapons like natural killer 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: cells or NK cells, which cruise around the body destroying 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: cells infected by a virus and keeping an eye out 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: for tumors. Our adaptive immune response, on the other hand, 20 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: is the branch of the immune system that learns as 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: much about the enemy as possible and creates specialized weapons 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: to destroy it. Antibodies are an important tool of the 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: adaptive immune response. So what are they? Antibodies are y 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: shaped proteins that your immune system makes to help flag 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: foreign substances that the body has deemed harmful. Specialized immune 26 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: cells called plasma cells produced them. Plasma cells are activated 27 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: b cells, which is a type of cell that becomes 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: activated when one of its receptors recognizes an antigen or 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: an enemy and then binds to that enemy. They're then 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: poised to create a lot of antibodies for that enemy. 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: We spoke by email with Amrat Barber, a professor of 32 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: biology in the Department of Biological and Environmental Sciences at 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: Virginia's Longwood University. She explained Antibodies are found in your 34 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: blood and other tissues of your body, and they bind 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: to substances that appear foreign and dangerous to your body. 36 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: They are very specific and can recognize and bind to 37 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: many types of pathogens, including viruses, bacteria, fungus, and other 38 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: infectious agents. Your body has billions of antibodies, each recognizing 39 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: a different pathogen, and similar to a key and a lock, 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: an antibody is incredibly specific for the pathogen it recognizes, 41 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: so Your immune system has a key on its key 42 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 1: chain for each and every antigen it's ever fought. When 43 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: an antibody binds to the pathogen that it's specific for, 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: it acts as a flag to alert the immune system 45 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: that this antigen is dangerous and should be destroyed. The 46 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: antibody then works with other proteins and cells in your 47 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: immune system to slow the infection and clear the pathogen 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 1: from your body. A vaccine is made of defunct antigens 49 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: that show your immune system what the enemy looks like, 50 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: so that it can begin making antibodies to defend itself 51 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: against the pathogen before it's ever been exposed to the 52 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: real thing. Though, specific antibodies can sometimes wane and disappear, 53 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: which is why vaccine boosters are sometimes necessary. So that's antibodies, 54 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: But how do antibody tests work. An antibody test shows 55 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: whether a person's immune system has made antibodies against the 56 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: infection that's being tested for. If a person has been 57 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: exposed to a pathogen take the COVID nineteen virus, for instance, 58 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: then there be cells will become activated and start making 59 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: antibodies specific for that virus. But as good as antibodies 60 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: aren't their job. There's always a little lag time with 61 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: this process. It can take a week or two for 62 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: a person to start making antibodies against an infection with 63 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: particularly nasty pathogens like measles or even COVID nineteen. In 64 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: some cases, the disease might kill the person before their 65 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: immune system has time to develop antibodies against it. Barbara explained. 66 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: During an antibody test, a person's blood is analyzed to 67 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: see if it contains antibodies that bind to the virus. 68 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: It does not determine if someone has an active infection, 69 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: but whether they're making antibodies to the pathogen. A positive 70 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: antibody test suggests that the person was exposed to the pathogen. 71 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 1: In essence, an antibody test indicates that a person's body 72 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: has mounted an immune response against a specific pathogen at 73 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: some point, but what it can't tell is whether the 74 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: person is currently infected with that pathogen. There are different 75 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: types of antibodies for particular pathogens. Some indicate recent infection 76 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: and summer signs of older infection. Antibody testing means testing 77 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: for all of the different types. If you want to 78 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: look for a recent COVID nineteen infection, you'd test for 79 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: immunoglobin M antibodies. Immunoglobin G antibodies, on the other hand, 80 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: take longer to produce, so would indicate older infection. Current 81 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen antibody testing can and does detect both types, 82 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: So a positive antibody test indicates that you have antibodies 83 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: in your blood that recognize and react with that specific pathogen, 84 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: which is a strong indicator that these antibodies would likely 85 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: provide immunity for some amount of time. In the case 86 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen, it's difficult to know at this point 87 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: for how long those antibodies can protect you from reinfection, 88 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: or even whether they can at all. Barbera said the 89 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: length of protection depends on a lot of factors, including 90 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: how much antibody a person makes and whether the virus mutates. 91 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: That said, antibody tests can be used not only to 92 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: determine if a person has been infected with COVID nineteen, 93 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: but also to gain a better understanding about how widespread 94 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen is within a given community. For instance, people 95 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: who are infected with COVID nineteen but experienced relatively mild 96 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: symptoms will still test positive on an antibody test in 97 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: the same way as someone with a very acute case. 98 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: Barbara said, if antibody testing is conducted on a large scale, 99 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: the results can be used to more accurately estimate how 100 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: many people were exposed to the virus. Antibody tests will 101 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: also likely play a large role in getting life back 102 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: to normal. People with positive antibody tests will be able 103 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: to show that they developed immunity to the virus and 104 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: thus are protected from reinfection at least for an extended 105 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: amount of time. But Barbara warns that antibody test results 106 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: should be taken with a grain of salt, as people 107 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: who test positive may still have an active virus that 108 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: they could spread to others. Therefore, the use of a 109 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: test that tests for the presence of the actual virus, 110 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: paired with an antibody test for COVID nineteen would give 111 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: a more accurate picture of whether a person is safe 112 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: to return to normal life. Today's episode was written by 113 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: Jesscelyne Shields and produced by Tyler Klang. For more on 114 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: this and lots of other topics, because it houstof works 115 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: dot com. Brain Stuff is production of iHeart Radio. For 116 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: more podcasts from My heart Radio, visit the Heart Radio app, 117 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.