1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: The Cardinals are in it. Come July. I can see 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: John Mozaylac adding incrementally nothing crazy. Keep in mind, this 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: is not his team after the season end. It's him 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: Bloom's team. And there she is, Katie wu. Always happy 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: to have her on foul Territory. 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: Of course you can catch her doing all things Cardinals 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: for the Athletic and she is the co host of 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: Cardinals Territory. You can check them out on x at 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: card Territory. Katie, Great to be with you always. I 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: guess it's like just the question du jour Nolan Ronado. 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: Is he getting traded by the deadline? Just based on 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 2: how things are going right now? 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I've been answering this question since 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: last October, which is possibly an indictment on the Cardinals. 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: But we'll let that one slide for now. Great to 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: be back with you all. Even AJ makes an appearance. 17 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: How lucky am I? Let's talk a little bit about 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnatto. Big series against the Milwaukee Brewers. Save the 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: game on Friday with a play only he can make, 20 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean the out at home to preserve a tie 21 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: in the aid the walk off homer on Saturday, Cardinals 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: beat the Brewers in the series. Now, the question about 23 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnado is going to be just how much longer 24 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: is he in Saint Louis, And that is a question 25 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: that seems impossible to answer, And the reason for that 26 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: is because it's going to depend on what the team does. 27 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: The Cardinals are twelve and sixteen, I will say, not 28 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: a good record, but I think they're better than what 29 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: the record shows. And the twenty eight games they've played, 30 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: eighteen have been decided by three runs or fewer, so 31 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: they've just been on the losing end of a lot 32 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: of late inning games. Their bullpen has been a problem. 33 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnado's play has been much better. That's his third 34 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: homer of the season. Here, defense looks good, his mindset 35 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: is much better. He's playing a better quality of baseball 36 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: than we've seen over the last two years. So if 37 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: we're going by the way that Ronado looks at the 38 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: plate and how he's been on the diamond for the 39 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: first month, yes, I think you're getting a better version 40 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: of him that we saw in twenty three and twenty four. However, 41 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: the Cardinals play in a division where if you hover 42 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: around five hundred, you're still considered in it, and I 43 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: think we're going to go down to the wire for 44 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: the trade deadline to see what they're going to do. 45 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: My gut feeling tells me a lota that if these 46 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals are around five hundred and somewhat in 47 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: contention for a playoff spot, I do not think John Moseylak, 48 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: in his final year as President Baseball Operations, is going 49 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: to just hang on the towel, right. I think he's 50 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: going to look to add incrementally. Trading away a future 51 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame third baseman wouldn't necessarily seem to fit 52 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: that plan, But I really think Arnato's future hinges on 53 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: how the team looks over the next few months. 54 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: Really, he would go back from all this talk and 55 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 3: wasting all of Katie Woo's time always asking about, oh, 56 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: is not going to get traded? Oh, he got traded 57 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: and the team is willing to pick up the No. No, 58 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: he's not going to astros. He doesn't want to. Is 59 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: there a way that they can convince Nolan? Or is 60 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: Nolan now just like crap I had to stay here 61 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 3: the whole time. They kind of still like me, but 62 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: I'm not really like the leader they have young guys. 63 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: Do they have to convince him to take something that 64 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 3: he wouldn't have taken this offseason? 65 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't think so, and I don't think you can 66 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: convince him to do that. I think Nolan at third 67 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: four years old and knows exactly what he wants in 68 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: his career. And he's also understands where he asks where 69 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: he is in his playing arc, that where he ends 70 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: up next, if it's not in Saint Louis, is most 71 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: likely going to be the last organization he plays for. 72 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: That's why he identified those five teams as maybe I'd 73 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: consider them. Remember he never said yes, but he knew 74 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: exactly what he was looking for. And you have to 75 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: look at where baseball is in general right now. You're 76 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of teams right around the five hundred mark, 77 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: and I think that's just kind of unless you're the 78 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: Dodgers or the Mets, you're kind of along the second 79 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: tier of teams that are okay, they're good enough. You 80 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: look at the NL Central, for example, you have the 81 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: Cubs and the Brewers. Brewers are coming off, you know, 82 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: really grueling road trip, but they're good. Are they good 83 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: enough to contend? Probably? Are they good enough to compete 84 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: with the Mets and the Dodgers. Probably not. I'm not 85 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: sure if there are many teams outside of the Yankees, 86 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, and the Mets. Right now is currently constructed 87 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: that can give Ronado a guaranteed place to play in 88 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: the playoffs. That's what he's chasing after. He wants to 89 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: play in the postseason. He said that since his career, 90 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: he's played in just eight playoff games throughout his career, 91 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: so I don't think he's just going to jump ship 92 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: for the sake of jumping ship. I think if he was, 93 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: he would have done it already. Credit to him, though, 94 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: in situations like this, both the relationship can sour right 95 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: between the player and the organization when you publicly say 96 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: that you would like to get rid of said player. 97 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: I think he and the Cardinals, both all you, Marmel 98 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: and John Mozelak have done a nice job in making 99 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: sure that this stay is professional. He's been a total 100 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: pro since spring trading, and that's carried into what has 101 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: been not exactly the best April for the Cardinals either. 102 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 4: All Right, a couple of things, Katie. One, You're welcome 103 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 4: for me being here, So you're welcome and two, the 104 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 4: Brewers are about to play the White Sox, so they 105 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 4: could get hot here. And you forgot to mention the Cubs. 106 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 4: The Cubs are pretty good, so the Cardinals probably aren't 107 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 4: going to catch the Cubs in that division, but that's okay. 108 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: They're off to a nice start for them. We also 109 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: forgot to mention Sounny Gray didn't want to be traded either, 110 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 4: so he's kind of there. 111 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: He has the no trade so. 112 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 4: It's not just Nolan, and I know Nolan's been the 113 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: big story, but Sonny Gray also has said I want 114 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 4: to stay here, so there's more to it. My question 115 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 4: is is Lars new Bar has been off great, So 116 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 4: we're talking Nolan, but let's talk Lars Newpar. We're not. 117 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: We have even brought him up and he's probably what 118 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 4: their best hitter on this team. 119 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: He's he's definitely, I think one of the best leadoff 120 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: hitters in baseball. I mean, he's he's has almost thirty walks, 121 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: he's hitting the ball well, he's playing really well at home, 122 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: and he's turned into I mean, he was always a 123 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: solid outfielder, but the work that he's put in with 124 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: outfield coach John Jay has turned him even to a 125 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: better left fielder. I like what Lars Newbar does at 126 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: the top of the plate. He has what he or 127 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: the top of the lineup, he says. He describes it 128 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: as an old school mentality when leading off the game, 129 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 1: where the designation is to see as many pitches as possible. 130 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: What makes Lars Newfar so good at that is that 131 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: he has some elite plate discipline. He has a great approach, 132 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: he says. Sometimes new hitting coach Brenton Brown will get 133 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: mad at him for being too selective, but it seems 134 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: to work. He just opened ten street or he's now 135 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: opened a game ten times with a lead off walk. 136 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: That's exactly what you want from your leadoff hitters. So 137 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: we knew coming into this AJ that this is going 138 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: to be a big year for guys like Nolan Gorman, 139 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Jordan Walker. Lars Newfar fits that mold. Also, they need 140 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: to know if they can build around him. The biggest 141 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: question for him coming into the season was can he 142 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: stay healthy knock on wood the first month. He's done 143 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: that well. Now we're seeing him develop into I think 144 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: one of the more underrated leadoff hitters in the National 145 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: League because he works the count so well, sees a 146 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: lot of pitches. He's not overly splitty. He can hit 147 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: both lefty and righty's, and he has that power. He's 148 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: just coming, I think, becoming a prominent player for the 149 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals at the top of the lineup. 150 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 5: If you want a razor that looks good, makes you 151 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 5: look good, gets the shave done, and doesn't cost much. 152 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: Uh oh oh is it nice. 153 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 3: That's Harry Jones and you can smell it too. Smell it. 154 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's Harry's. That's the shave, Tael. I'm telling 155 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 3: you look, I mean. 156 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 5: You look. 157 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 4: Scary. 158 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: Man, shut fresh coming, Come. 159 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 4: And get I don't want to touch. 160 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: It. 161 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 5: Looks like German engineered blades, made it their own factory 162 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 5: that stay sharp longer. 163 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 3: I'm using the razor and it does not. You can 164 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: start to feel when it gets dull. I mean, you 165 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: guys only do like here and like up here. True, 166 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: I'm doing acreach. Get the edge on your shave with Harry's. 167 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: Normally their trial set is ten dollars, but right now 168 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: you can get it for just six dollars at Harry's 169 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 3: dot com slash foul. That's our exclusive link. Harry's dot 170 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: com slash foul for a six dollars trial set. I 171 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: know it's only one month and it's about one hundred 172 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: at bats, hunter played appearances. Has Jordan Walker kind of 173 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: taken a step back in the sense of he'd had 174 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: the hit tool and now the hit tool's kind of 175 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: not there this year? Has it been cold weather? Is 176 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: there something different? Is it just who Jordan Walker is 177 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: at this point in his career. 178 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: They're fair questions, and there's going to be a lot 179 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: of a lot of focus on Jordan Walker and what 180 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: he can do offensively. I will say before we get 181 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: to that, he's made such strides defensively in right field. 182 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: It goes back to the work that John Jay is 183 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: putting in. He's a completely different outfielder in right field. 184 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: On the point perspective, He's still kind of the same 185 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: hitter in terms of that low slider away from the 186 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: zone he's chasing and his front hips flying open, and 187 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to get the ball up in 188 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: the air, which has been the main focus for him. 189 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: He started out strong, then slumped a little bit. He's 190 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: in the middle of a slump right now. But this 191 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: is what the Cardinals wanted to happen. In a way, 192 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: right You want to see if players can struggle in 193 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: the major leagues and then overcome a just adapt and 194 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: figure out a way to be productive again. So it's 195 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: not necessarily the fact that he's struggling right now. He's 196 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: supposed to. Him and Gorman are supposed to struggle as 197 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: they work through the major leagues. It's how can he 198 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: overcome it? So, yes, we're one month into the season. 199 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: Certain you'd like better offensive production from Jordan Walker, but 200 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: what I think is more important from an organization long 201 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: term standpoint, is giving him enough runway. We've talked about 202 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: this a lot, enough runway to figure out if he 203 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: can adjust and succeed on top of his struggles. And 204 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: that's where they are right now with him. 205 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk a little bit about Phil Mayton. Obviously 206 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: growing up a Cards fan, now on the team, have 207 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: you had conversations with him about and just how it's 208 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: been going for him. 209 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: Phil's been great. He's been a great asset for this 210 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: Cardinal's team. It's nice having a veteran presence and a 211 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: relatively young bullpen. It brings the question why didn't the 212 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: Cardinals just sign him sooner? I mean, for two million dollars. 213 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: You're getting a very established setup man that Ken has 214 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: a lot of experience, takes the ball every day, and 215 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: by not signing him a little bit sooner. Phil Mayton's 216 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: a pro, you know the Salona. He's always going to 217 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: take the ball. That's why he has this characteristic as 218 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: being so durable. But because he didn't start a true 219 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: throwing program until the middle of spring when the Cardinals 220 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: signed him in mid March, he's still technically behind a 221 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: little bit, although he would never say that. So the 222 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: Cardinals are monitoring his usage and there have been days 223 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: where he just isn't available because they don't want to 224 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: blow his arm out. But I certainly think Phil Mayton 225 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: enjoys being here. He's been a nice compliment, some nice 226 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: consistent scene of bullpen that hasn't really had much between him, 227 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: Hellsley and Kyle Lahy. Those are pretty much the only 228 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: arms the Cardinals feel comfortable using right now. But I 229 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: can't imagine what this bullpen would look like without him. 230 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: It would not be good. 231 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: What's going on with Wilson contures first base? I know 232 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 4: he's there, He's not swinging the bat terribly well right now. 233 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: What's going on there. 234 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: Herrera has been a nice fine form behind the plate. 235 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 4: What's the story with Wilson contures Well. 236 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Talk about another guy who didn't want to be traded. 237 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: He specifically said, I want to stay in Saint Louis 238 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: and be a part of this movement. And Ollie Marmel 239 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: over the last week praised contraras for how he handled 240 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: the start of the season. He slumped heavily, was probably 241 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: the Cardinals worst hitter, which I don't think any of 242 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: us would have predicted for the first two or three 243 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: weeks of the season, and he was consistent in his energy. 244 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: He even applauded himself for not tearing out a batrack. 245 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: He said, usually I probably would have cast some damage 246 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: to some of the equipment in the clubhouse. But he 247 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: kept a level head and he's really showed these young 248 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: guys how to adjust to circumstances that aren't necessarily ideal. 249 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: He looks like a pretty solid first baseman, very athletic 250 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: over there. I know he's played there before, but certainly 251 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: not as the everyday first baseman. Now it's about finding 252 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: a way for him to be a little bit more 253 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: consistent offensively. But he's turned a page there. Look, the 254 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: Cardinals are all about the youth movement. They have some 255 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: catching that they'd like to see Eyvon Herreraz on the 256 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: injured list, but he should start a rehab assignment as 257 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: early as Thursday. Pedro Pa has has done a nice 258 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: job filling in. They really like how defensively sound he 259 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: is and how he prepares, but they would not be 260 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: able to know this if they still had contrarasts behind 261 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: the plate. So they move into first base. You open 262 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: up that pipeline for Herrera and Paz. Jimmy Crooks a 263 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: catching prospect in the miners as well, and you keep 264 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: contrasts there because you hope that his bat will play 265 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: now that he's not catching. You know, one hundred and 266 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: thirty five games behind the plate didn't start out that way, 267 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: but it certainly looks a lot better. He's slowly heating 268 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: up for them offensively. 269 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: Did Mo drop the ball not trading Ryan Hellesley this 270 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: offseason because his value couldn't be higher. If he has 271 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: another year like he did last year, then it's just 272 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: another year with less control. Was the cut? Was the 273 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: value for him not out there? Was it something that 274 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: they were not willing to get rid of him? Because 275 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 3: he's in the last year of his contract. And look 276 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: at some of the teams right now. Devin Williams is 277 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: struggling for a team that traded a lot of pieces 278 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: to get him. Teams want closers, let alone an eighth 279 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: inning guy. 280 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: Oh, it's not that there wasn't a demand for him. 281 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: There was a very high demand for him. You think 282 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: about the Philadelphia Phillies bullpen, they could certainly use someone 283 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: like Ryan Helsley and they wanted him. However, the Cardinals 284 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: were very clear in November most John Mozelax said, we 285 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: are not trading him. It certainly have to be blown 286 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: away for that to happen, and they ultimately, I guess, 287 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: decided that would not be the case. It came as 288 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: a surprise to most of the industry, including Helsley himself, 289 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: who said he expected to be traded. He hoped that 290 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: he wasn't, but he kind of saw the riding on 291 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: the wall and was definitely surprised, but in a good way. 292 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: To be in Saint Louis for another season. It's a 293 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: great question and if they capitalized on his trade value 294 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: or not, I will say he's not getting a ton 295 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: of closing opportunities right now because the Cardinals haven't had 296 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: a ton of safe situations. Their segue from the eighth 297 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: to the ninth has not gone according to plan with 298 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: their setup. Men, You're right about Helsey's value being super high. Bullpens, relievers, 299 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: closers are volatile. You know, the consistency there varies from 300 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: season to season. It's the nature of the job. I 301 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: still think Helsy's an a lee arm. Obviously, you have 302 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: triple digits and that wipeout slider like that will play. 303 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: It's just a matter of if they can use him. 304 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: I too was surprised he was not traded. But you 305 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: think about where this Cardinals bullpen is, and you think 306 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: about how they've stated how they want to compete despite 307 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: the transition year. Who else is closing games for them 308 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: right now? Kyle Lahey, I mean, they barely have enough 309 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: bullpen bullpen arms to cover them currently. So I don't 310 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: know how this club would have closed out the ninth 311 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: without him, but it certainly feared a question if they 312 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: should have moved Helsey sooner, Kittie. 313 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: Certainly, it's going to depend on where they're sitting around 314 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 2: the trade deadline. But they didn't do a ton of 315 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: stuff this offseason coming into the twenty twenty five campaign. 316 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: Would you imagine if they're in the thick of it, 317 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: that they will do something and what would the target 318 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: be And do you think Fetti is a trade piece? 319 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: I think so. The Cardinals don't have a ton of 320 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: starting pitching depth that they do have their twenty twenty 321 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: one first round pick Michael McGreevey, who had a great 322 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: spring training and was unfortunately the odd man out when 323 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: it came to the Cardinals, who are kind of using 324 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: a five and a half rotation right now anyway. But 325 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: if the Cardinals get to a point at the trade 326 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: deadline where they're not in contention, they have plenty of 327 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: pieces that are in their final deals before free agency 328 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: ready to go, including Eric Fetty, Stephen Mattz. He'll make 329 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: a spot start for them on Wednesday. He's throwing the 330 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: ball really well in that hybrid role between the rotation 331 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: and the bullpen. Miles Michaelis has still a lot of 332 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: money to move, but he kind of fits up that 333 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: mole for me. If he can continue improving. They have 334 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: a ton of guys that they can maybe offload. Mayton's 335 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: up there, Hellesley two so we'll see at the same time, 336 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: like we talked about earlier, if the Cardinals are in 337 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: it come July, I can see John Mozaelac adding incrementally 338 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: nothing crazy. Keep in mind, this is not his team 339 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: after the season ends. It's High and Bloom's team. And 340 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: the last thing the Cardinals are going to do is 341 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: tack on contracts or promise money to someone where the 342 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: front office is changing over right, So I think the 343 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: Cardinals will be so fascinating to watch over the first 344 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: half because it's really going to dictate the inflection point 345 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: of their franchise. Is this going to have to be 346 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: a total full rebuild like they really don't want it 347 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: to be, or do they have enough parts to kind 348 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: of make a run and salvage this And maybe this 349 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: transition year isn't as bad as it first seemed. 350 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 4: Katie, do you know where the Cardinals rank fourteenth in 351 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 4: this year in Major League Baseball? 352 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: Give it to me what you got. 353 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 4: Attendance attendance for the Cardinals. That is something that is 354 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 4: something that we never thought. They're always top five, top 355 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 4: at least top ten. They're fourteenth and they've had the 356 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 4: smallest crowds in the history of new Bush Stadium. Are 357 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 4: the fans saying, we can't believe that we're having to 358 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 4: go through a rebuild, because that's one thing the Cardinals 359 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 4: were so good at. 360 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: They always were. 361 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 4: Now, there were some ups and downs, but they were 362 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 4: always kind of, hey, we're going to be decent enough. 363 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 4: And then for them to come out this year and say, basically, 364 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 4: we're just in a reloading kind of year, the fans saying, man, 365 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 4: we need to see the wits and the ownership spend 366 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 4: some money because we expect you to win or at 367 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 4: least try this. 368 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the show me stage. Agent. You know this 369 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: about Cardinals fans, They're very passionate and they have a 370 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: certain standard of accell for their baseball, which is deserved. 371 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: When you're the Saint Louis Cardinals, you should play to 372 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: a certain standard, and clearly Cardinals fans feel like they 373 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: have fallen off that mark. I will say on Friday, 374 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: it was a pretty nice night around seventy five degrees, 375 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: Brewers in town and that stadium was half empty, and 376 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: it was jarring to see the attendance this year. I 377 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: think the Cardinals have done a nice job and trying 378 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: to bring fans to the Ballpark. They've implement a new 379 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: concert series after games, they have happy hour deals on 380 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: Friday night games. But ultimately, what's going to get stand 381 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: are people back in the stands is winning ball games. 382 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: And I think you're seeing Cardinals fans saying, Okay, we've 383 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: had two back to back disappointing seasons. Most of our 384 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: star marquee players are gone. There is no Yachtie. There 385 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: is no Albert, no Wainwright, no Goldie. You keep Natto, 386 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: but only because you had to. You tried to move him, 387 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: and there's no direction for this club. It kind of 388 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: feels like Baseball Heaven is more like Baseball purgatory at 389 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: the moment from a fan perspective, because there's just no 390 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: clarity on the direction they want to go. They said 391 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: they want to transition season, but they still want to 392 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: win games. I do think that's possible to do both, 393 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: but it sends a murky message to the fan base. 394 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: I will say this about Cardinals fans. Aja you know 395 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: this as well. If they win, I think the city 396 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: will come out and support them. But I think the 397 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals fans are sending a message to the front office 398 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: and ownership like this has fallen below our standard of 399 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: baseball here and it needs to get better before we 400 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: consider coming back to the ballpark. 401 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cardinal way, they're showing their true opinions on 402 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: how things are going. Katie, thank you so much for 403 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: being here. We appreciate it, and don't forget guys. You 404 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: can keep your tabs on Ronato and the Cardinals this 405 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: season by following Cardinal Territory hosted by Katie Wu and 406 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: Trevor Rosenthal on YouTube and card Territory on X Katie, 407 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: thanks so much, we appreciate it very much.