1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent. 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. 9 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 4: Good morning, everybody. We have an amazing show today, Crystal. 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: Everybody, because Ryan Gram is in the house and he 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: did us the kindness of making some big news yesterday 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: in the State Department briefing, asking some fantastic questions and 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: getting some absolutely horrific answers, So we will break. 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 5: That down for you. 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: Also got doctor Treta Parsi coming in to break down 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: the escalating risks of a wider war. This is something 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: we've been tracking from the beginning and it has never 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: been as fraught and as dangerous as right now. Bernie 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: Sanders finally coming out strong on ISRAELI tell you about 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: his shift. We've got new details of Biden's political trouble 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: and how they plan to try to get out of it, 23 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: and the long awaited Epstein Docks released unt some of 24 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: them court records unsealed. And I would just say there's 25 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: some some powerful names. Bill Clinton comes up quite a bit, 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is there, et cetera, et cetera. Nothing like 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: that we didn't already know, I would say, but still 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: kind of shocking. And we also got a really interesting 29 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 1: response from Elan Dershowitz that we'll say for you as well. 30 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Wall Street also with a new strategy to become America's landlord. 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: We'll break that down for you, and I have a 32 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: look at how Gaza is entering an outright famine and 33 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: what that means for our country and certainly for the 34 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: people there in Gaza. But we wanted to go ahead 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: and start with Ryan in that State Department hearing asking 36 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: Matthew Miller about the increasingly common remarks that are being 37 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: made by high level Israeli officials calling for ethnic cleansing 38 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: of Gazin's out of the Gaza strip. 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 5: Let's say to listen to that. 40 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 4: Pick up on your response to Smotrich and Ben Gavier yesterday, 41 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 4: you and Lynda Thomas Greenfield both had similar statements. You 42 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 4: both said in your statements quote there should be no 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: mass displacement of Palestinians from Gaza. Given that you both 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 4: had the same word for word savments, seems like there 45 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 4: was thought put into that. Why use the word should 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 4: there there should be no mass displacement? 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 6: Would you be willing to make a more definitive comment there. 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 7: Must there must not be yeah other and then. 49 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 4: To get to Ben de Gavier's response, that's which I'm 50 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 4: sure you saw he posted on Twitter. With all due respect, 51 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 4: we are not another star on the American flag. United 52 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: States is our best friend. But first of all, we 53 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 4: will do what is best for the State of Israel. 54 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 4: The emigration of hundreds of thousands from Gaza will allow 55 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 4: the residents of the Enclave or the Envelope to return 56 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 4: home and live in safety, protect and to protect the 57 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 4: IDF soldiers. Any response to Ben Gavier's public response to you. 58 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 7: So certainly, Israel is a sovereign country that does make 59 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 7: its own decisions. 60 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 6: There is no dispute of that. 61 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 7: The point of our ConfL of the statement that I 62 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 7: made yesterday was that the comments that Benevie and Minister 63 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 7: Smotridge have made are in direct contradiction of Israeli government policy. 64 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 7: As has been represented to us by multiple Israeli government officials, 65 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 7: including the Prime Minister himself. So I'm not surprised that 66 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 7: he continues to double down and make those statements. But 67 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 7: they are not only in contradiction with the United States 68 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 7: policy and what we think is in the best interests 69 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 7: of the Israeli people, the Palstating people, the broader region, 70 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 7: and ultimately stability in the world, but they are in 71 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 7: direct contradiction of his own government's policy, and we believe 72 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 7: those statements should stop. 73 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: Direct contradiction of Israeli government policy. 74 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 5: Ryan, would you make of that response, like the very end. 75 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 6: Where is that we believe those statements should stop. 76 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 4: It's like, because you're putting us in a really difficult 77 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: position when you keep saying the quiet part out loud. Right, 78 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 4: It's difficult to say that top minister in a government 79 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: are contradicting the government's. 80 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 5: Policy because they are the government. 81 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 6: They are the government. 82 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 4: Now, he's right that there is a higher figure in 83 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 4: the government, and that is Prime Minister Benjamin Netnyahu, But 84 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: as netnyahuo just speaking fairly recently saying we're not rejecting 85 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 4: that possibility and the possibilities quote unquote scenario of surrender 86 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 4: and deportation. 87 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 6: There are claims to be made for and against it. 88 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 4: In my article at the intercept that I posted last night, 89 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 4: I have a quote from Netnya who from fairly recently, 90 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 4: where he says, regarding voluntary emigration, I have no problem 91 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 4: with that. Our problem is not allowing the exit, but 92 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 4: a lack of countries that are ready to take Palestinians in, 93 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 4: and we are working on it. This is the direction 94 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 4: we are going in, which seems to be in line 95 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 4: with what Smotrich. 96 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 6: And Ben Gavera saying. 97 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: That's right, and in line, by the way, with according 98 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: to polling, what the is really public once and is 99 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: open to And by the way, I don't know if 100 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: you guys remember this. All the way back in the 101 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: early days after October seven, Tony B. Lincoln went to Israel. 102 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: This is when he went and said, I'm here as 103 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: a Jewish person first and foremost. And he made comments 104 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: at the time pushing back on the idea of setting 105 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: up some sort of a tense city, saying I spoke 106 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: with Cci and this is completely off the table. 107 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 5: But it was a tell that the. 108 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: Israeli government was already pushing in this direction of expelling 109 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: Palestinians out of the Gaza Strip. We know, because you know, 110 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: we've covered all of these pieces extensively. 111 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: Here. 112 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: There was a report that came out from a government 113 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: ministry saying, hey, here's our options for the day after. 114 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: The one we prefer is pushing everybody out into the 115 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: Sinai Desert. We know, we have reports that Netanyahu has 116 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: tasked one of his senior advisors with quote unquote coming 117 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: up with plans to thin out the Gaza population. We 118 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: know there's a plan that's been floated here in the 119 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: US with some bipartisan support, to use AID dollars, our 120 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: AID dollars to pressure regional countries to accept refugees out 121 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: of the Gaza strip. So to say that it is 122 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: not that it is a direct contradiction of Israeli government 123 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: policy is just it's not even inaccurate. It's just a lie. 124 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: And put the second element up here. I mean, you 125 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: get pieces like this almost literally every day. This is 126 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: the Times of Israel reporting Israeli officials are in talks 127 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: with Congo and other African countries on taking in Gaza immigrants. 128 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: Let me read a little bit of this their Hebrew 129 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: sister site reported that Israeli officials have held clandestine talks 130 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: with the African nation of Congo and several others potential 131 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: acceptance of Gaza emigrants. Congo will be willing to take 132 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: in migrants, and we are in talks with others, A 133 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: senior source in the security cabinet told that outlet. They 134 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: also quote Intelligence Minister Gila Gamlil saying at the Kanessa yesterday, 135 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: at the end of the war, Hamas will collapse, there 136 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: are no municipal authorities, the civilian population will be entirely 137 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: dependent on humanitarian aid, there will be no work, and 138 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: sixty percent of Gaza's agricultural land will become security buffer zones. 139 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: And this is the other piece Ryan that has been 140 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: laid out very clearly, because in that original government ministry 141 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: plan that I think was sort of like strategically or 142 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: tactically released as a trial balloon, they laid out how 143 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: they would do it. They said, basically, will destroy Gaza 144 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: and then we'll make it the ut Nor humanitarian that's right, 145 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: start in the north and then we'll proceed from there 146 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: and we'll make it the humanitarian option, so that we 147 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: put pressure on us and other countries of like, well, 148 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: they're either going to starve and get bombed to death 149 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: or they can be allowed to quote unquote voluntarily migrate 150 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: out of the strip. 151 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 4: And the best argument that I've the best counter argument 152 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 4: that I've seen is, since Sager's not here, I'll try 153 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 4: to make a counter run. Okay, you would say that 154 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 4: there's a war going on and you have to displace 155 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: the population so that the population is not dying under 156 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 4: the reign of these bombs. And in fact, after my question, 157 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 4: the Associated Press reporter pressed Matt Miller and they said, 158 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 4: you said, you're against a displacement of millions of Palestinians 159 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 4: has already been. 160 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 5: They've already been displayed. 161 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 4: He said, well, that's different. They're getting out of harm's 162 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 4: way because of the battle. Okay, let's say that that, 163 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: of course, yes, you don't want civilians killed. There was 164 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: another option that did not involve kicking them into the 165 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 4: Sinai desert, and that is the negative, the desert that 166 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 4: is just on the other side of the Gaza fence. 167 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: There was nothing stopping Israel from building a tense city, 168 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 4: a refugee camp just a few miles away from Gaza 169 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 4: and saying, look, come into Israeli territory. 170 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 6: Here, we've got no you can they could heavily guard it. 171 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 4: It's not as if they're going to go from there 172 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 4: into Jerusalem or Tel Aviv and then when the war 173 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: is over they come back in. But that's the part 174 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 4: of it that made that option never on the table 175 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 4: for Israel, because the plan was never that they would 176 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 4: come back in into a kind of reconstructed gaza after 177 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 4: the war. It was go into the Sinai and then 178 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 4: from there some of them stay and the rest are 179 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 4: dispersed around the world. 180 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: I also think this is very typical of the US 181 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: approach and certainly the Biden administration approach to Israel. Is 182 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: they may verbally signal some discomfort with this or that action, 183 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: this or that plan, while they are speeding weapons and 184 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: support and providing diplomatic cover that inevitably leads to Israel 185 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: effectuating the plans that they are saying out in the 186 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: public that they are interested in pursuing. So, you know, 187 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: to me, it fits very much with these elaborate fantasies 188 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: that the US media and US politicians over decades have 189 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: really constructed about Israel. That to your point, Ryan Netan 190 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: Yahoo and his government coalition partners had made it very 191 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: difficult for them to sustain because they are saying the 192 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: quiet part out loud, and sometimes now not just in Hebrew, 193 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: sometimes they are now saying the quiet part out loud 194 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: in English as well. 195 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 5: That wasn't the only. 196 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: Question that you were able to get into, Matthew Miller, though. 197 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: You also asked whether they were concerned that the US 198 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: may be implicated in the genocide charges that Israel's now 199 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: facing due to South Africa's filing at the International Criminal 200 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: Court of Justice. 201 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 5: Let's take a listen to that question as well. 202 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 4: To follow up on Turkey, I'm sure you see, Turkey 203 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 4: has joined South Africa in its charging Israel a genocide 204 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 4: before the International Court of Justice. Is there any concern 205 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 4: within the State Department that State Department officials could be 206 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 4: roped into this prosecution. 207 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 7: No. I will say that as it relates to the 208 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 7: State Department, we have been committed to addressing the humanitarian 209 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 7: situation in Gaza and have made a priority of preventing, 210 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 7: as I just said in your response to your question, 211 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 7: the displacement of Palestinians. Will also say, though the genocide 212 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 7: is of course a heinous atrocity one of the most 213 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,479 Speaker 7: heinous atrocties that any individual can commit. Those are allegations 214 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 7: that should not be made lightly. And as it pertains 215 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 7: the United States, we are not seeing any acts that 216 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 7: constitute jess. 217 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: And finally, over the break of top authorities in the 218 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 4: Armenian Quarter expressed deep concern that the Israeli government was 219 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 4: using the conflict in Gaza to push out a lot 220 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 4: of Armenian Christians from the Armenian quart or any response. 221 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 7: So no specific response to that, but as we have 222 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 7: said on a number of occasions, we do not want 223 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 7: to see the government of Israel take any steps that 224 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 7: would escalate tensions. 225 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 8: South Africa's filed this eighty four page lawsuit against Israel 226 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 8: accusing them of genocide. 227 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 6: Israel says that this is blood libel. 228 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 9: Does Washington agree and where does this put Washington and 229 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 9: Preatori in trying. 230 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 8: This submission meritless, counterproductive and completely without any basis in 231 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 8: fact whatsoever. 232 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 5: So we had there. 233 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: Of course, John Kirby also responding to a similar question, 234 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: and I mean they're both basically giving the same answer. 235 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: Kirby does a little more aggressively, But what did you 236 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: make of Matt Miller's response there, in particular that we're 237 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: not seeing anything that constitutes genocide or would race questions. 238 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 4: And also I thought it was interesting that he started 239 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 4: by saying, look, we've been very aggressive and trying to 240 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: resolve the humanitarian crisis, Like if you're going to start 241 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 4: prosecuting people, let's beak clear that we tried to make 242 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 4: it less bad than it is now. At the same time, 243 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 4: they're sending weapons the entire time. Where So, which is 244 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 4: his answer sort of accepts the premise that there's a 245 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 4: serious prosecution here, whereas Kirby consistently has been kind of 246 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: off the wall in his in how aggressive he is 247 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 4: in responding, calling them, you guys heard it meritless without 248 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 4: any basis in fact, which, as Wali Shah had pointed 249 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 4: out on Twitter, was the exact same response that the 250 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: US had to charges that were brought before the International 251 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 4: Quarter Justice against the apartheid South African government back in 252 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties. We said the exact same thing that 253 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 4: absolutely meritless, like this is terrible stuff. 254 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 6: How how could you even contemplate this? 255 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 4: It's an eighty four page document that has six full 256 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,599 Speaker 4: pages of just quotes from Israeli. 257 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 6: Officials, and we'll play a new one in a second. 258 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 4: If they want to amend their because they haven't slowed 259 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 4: down their genocide. 260 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 6: I'll just pick one at random. As I was going 261 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 6: through it this morning. 262 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 4: Is Israeli Minister of Heritage Amakai Elai, who he said, 263 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: the north of the Gaza strip more beautiful than ever. 264 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: Everything is blown up and flattened, simply a pleasure for 265 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 4: the eyes. We must talk about the day after. In 266 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 4: my mind, we will hand over lots to all those 267 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 4: who fought for Gaza over the years, and to those 268 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 4: evicted from Gush Katif, which is a former Israeli settlement. 269 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 4: So he's he's saying they will hand out land. Who 270 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 4: Israeli's in Gaza. It's this beautiful land, a pleasure for 271 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 4: his eyes seeing everything blown up and flattened. For Kirby 272 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: to say that a document that includes so many quotes 273 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 4: like this, which is coupled with what we're seeing on 274 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 4: the ground, for him to say it's meritless is like 275 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 4: beyond absurd. 276 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: Well, and you had the President of the United States 277 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: himself describing the bombing campaign as indiscriment, criminate, which is 278 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: war so to say it's you know, without any basis. Well, 279 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: that is indirect contradiction to what the president himself has 280 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: indicated with his comments. And to your point, Ryan, one 281 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: of you and Emily sat down with I'm forgetting a 282 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: sneak No. The Holocaust scholar oh Ron Siegel, yes, who 283 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: said this is a textbook case of genocide, and one 284 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: of the things that he pointed to was listen. Usually 285 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: in these cases is it's ongoing. The hardest part to 286 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: prove is intent. So you can see the actions, you 287 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: can see what's unfolding. You can make some, you know, 288 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: real educated guesses about what the end goals are. But 289 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: to actually suss out, okay, do they have genocidal intent 290 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: can be very difficult in real time. Not so here 291 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: when you have everyone from net Yahoo down openly making 292 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: genocidal comments calling for the absolute destruction of Gaza. You 293 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: have Golant saying you're dealing with human animals. That's why 294 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: we have to impose a complete siege. I mean, this 295 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: is totally out in the open. And so to have 296 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: pages and pages and pages of high level government officials 297 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: and high level military officials laying out exactly what they 298 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: plan to do makes this incredibly unique and as you 299 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: were mentioning, we have this is just the latest of 300 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: many that you could pick of an Israeli lawmaker from 301 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: the Lukud party, that is Netnyahu's party calling for the 302 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: annihilation of all gossins. Let's put this up and I 303 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: can read the subtitles as he speaks, as it's clear 304 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: to everyone today that the right wing is right in 305 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: the matter of politics and the matter of politicians today. 306 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: It's Palestinians today. 307 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 5: It's simple. You go everywhere and they tell them to 308 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 5: destroy them. 309 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: My friends at the attorney office, who fought with me 310 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: in the political issues in the debates, it is clear 311 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: that you have to destroy all the gossens. These are 312 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: words that I have not heard saying. Listen, they used 313 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: to not say it. Now everybody's like, yeah, you've got 314 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: to destroy all of the gozsens. And you know, the 315 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: Israeli public is in the grip of basically like a 316 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: genocidal craze, because if you look look at the pulling. 317 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: I would love to say like these are outliers and 318 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: this doesn't represent these Raeli public, but the reality is 319 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority at least are in favor of pushing 320 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: Palestinines out of the Gaza strip there, at least in 321 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: favor of ethnic cleansing. And then the farther right are 322 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: out there, you know, actively saying, hey, what if we 323 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: knew Gaza, how about we destroy all of it? How 324 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: about all of Gazin's are annihilated, Right. 325 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 6: We flatten it. 326 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 4: It's beautiful, and we take lots and give it to 327 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 4: the people that used to be settlers there. And you 328 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 4: and I both lived through the post nine to eleven 329 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 4: period here in the United States, so it's not that hard. 330 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 6: For us to kind of put ourselves in that place. 331 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you weren't, if you weren't kind of conscious 332 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 4: at that time, it's hard to describe just how bloodthirsty 333 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 4: the American public was. 334 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,359 Speaker 6: So this is not unique to the Israeli. 335 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 5: Public, that's right. 336 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: And people right after October seventh kept describing it as 337 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 4: fifteen nine to elevens which at the time there was 338 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 4: some eye rolling. But if you take the feeling that 339 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 4: people had on nine to twelve here in the United 340 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 4: States and multiply it by fifteen, you can imagine how 341 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 4: you would get the public sentiment that, you know what, 342 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 4: we're just not going to live by the near next 343 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 4: to these two million people. We're not going to end. 344 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 4: This will get to our treat of Parsi segment later. 345 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 4: We're not going to live anywhere near Hesbala either, but 346 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 4: we're also not going to leave, so that the only 347 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: other option is you're going to displace you know, millions 348 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 4: of people, not just not just Hamas. Because you had 349 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 4: John Kirby saying for years, for months, if Amas surrenders, 350 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 4: this is over, you now have the Israeli government officials 351 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 4: making very clear Hamas could surrender today would not accomplish 352 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 4: their stated objective, which is to clear out the Gazan population. 353 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: I think that's a really important point. And this is 354 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: another one of the you know, fantasies that's been constructed 355 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: and propped up by US politicians, by Western media is that, 356 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, this military action in Gaza, the all allount 357 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: assault on Gaza, is about quote unquote hunting for Hamas. 358 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 3: Well. 359 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: That's just not true because if that was your actual goal, 360 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: if your actual goal was eradicating Hamas, this is and 361 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: this is what military experts will tell you, this is 362 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: not the way to do it at all. And we 363 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: have now reporting saying no, actually, the goal here is destruction. 364 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: We see the plans that have come out saying, look, 365 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: we want to push people on in the north, and 366 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: then we want to make it unlivable in the south, 367 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: and we want to ultimately push them out. We also 368 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: know the political demands of net Yahoo, who wants to 369 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: hold on to power for as long as possible, which 370 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: incentivizs is him to you know, sort of like quench 371 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: the thirst for revenge that is widespread throughout the Israeli population, 372 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: and to extend the war as long as possible. Because 373 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: he's been able to push off the questions about his 374 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: own failures that led to you know, missing all of 375 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: the intelligence, ignoring all of the intelligence, relocating IDF soldiers 376 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: away from the area that was attacked on October seventh, 377 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: he's been able to push those questions off and delay 378 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: them into after the war is over. So he has 379 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: every incentive to keep this thing going. But it's very 380 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: clear that the way that the war has been wiged 381 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: on Gaza is not aimed at quote unquote hunting for Hamas. 382 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: It's much more about destroying the entirety of the Gaza 383 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: strip and then putting a choice to the US primarily 384 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: of basically like, okay, well people can't live here anymore. 385 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: It's uninhabitable, so what are you going to do now? 386 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 6: Right? 387 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 4: And international legal experts who've been who have studied this 388 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 4: case and who have participated in previous genocide cases brought 389 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 4: before the court think that this has a real chance 390 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 4: of prevailing, which which brings us to the comments from 391 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 4: the French ambassador to the United Nations, who has said 392 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 4: they will respect the decision no matter what, because the 393 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 4: court's mandate depends on international legitimacy. As Andrew Jackson said 394 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 4: about the Supreme Court, you know they made their ruling, 395 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 4: now let them enforce it. So it's the question is 396 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 4: what happens. First question is do they get a conviction? 397 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 5: Right? 398 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 4: But then after a conviction, who enforces it? What mandate? 399 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 4: Does it have to have actual teeth? And for somebody 400 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 4: like the French to come forward and say we're going 401 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 4: to respect this decision no matter what is significant we 402 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 4: have that as a side we do. 403 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, let's take a lot, some guys. 404 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 10: There will be legal implications if if the international law 405 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 10: is violated by one side, by all sides, it's pretty 406 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 10: clear that there have been a violation of international law 407 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 10: by different sides if you look at this file from 408 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 10: the very beginning, and we'll see what the consequences will be. 409 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 10: As you just said, the International Court of Justice has 410 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 10: been seized of the matter, so I will not comment 411 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 10: on this one. You know, France is a strong supporter 412 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 10: of the a CG. We'll see what they decide on 413 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 10: and we'll make sure that we'll support the outcome of 414 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 10: the decision. But I would not the same with the 415 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 10: ICC and the decision by SC. We are strong support 416 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 10: of international justice, whether it's a criminal justice with the ICC, 417 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 10: whether it's a ICG for international law, and we certainly 418 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 10: don't want the We want certainly encroach the their their mandates. 419 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: So do you think that Israel is taking this proceeding seriously? 420 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: I know you and Emily covered yesterday, or at least 421 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: I think you did that Israel is carently interested in 422 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: Alan Dersherwitz representing them, which you know, from our perspective, 423 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: maybe like maybe they're not taking this seriously, but actually 424 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: the fact that they're thinking about who they would appoint 425 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: to represent them indicates that they're not just brushing this 426 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: aside as a nothing burger. 427 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 4: Israel and the US have both been among the most 428 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 4: vocal kind of detractors of any kind of international court 429 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 4: of justice or international criminal court. They're not alone, but 430 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 4: they're the leading kind of voices against this this sort 431 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 4: of international approach to justice. But to see Israel kind 432 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 4: of float Dershowitz and to see Dershwitz decline to comment 433 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 4: on it. 434 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 6: We're going to get to Derschwitz later in the show. 435 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was interesting. You couldn't tell if it's making 436 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: a mockery of the whole thing, because Dershwitz is kind 437 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 4: of mockable at this point, right, But on the other hand, 438 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 4: in a lot of circles, he's still Alan Dershowitz, you know, 439 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 4: the great lawyer who got Klaus van Buren off to 440 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: me decades ago. 441 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: It almost was a very Trumpian move, because you know, 442 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: Trump loves to find these lawyers who are people. 443 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 5: For his industry with himself, right who. 444 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, oh, I saw him on cable 445 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,719 Speaker 1: news and they were really like bombastic and held their 446 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: own on cable news. So that's who I want my corner. 447 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: And so to me, it was this very sort of 448 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: like you know, trumpyan reach for who was the right 449 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: character to vociferously defend them in this case, which obviously 450 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: he would vociferously defend them whether it is whether his 451 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: arguments have merit or not. 452 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 4: But I think they have to take it seriously because 453 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 4: before October seventh, the boycott, divestment, sanctions movement was gaining 454 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 4: steam around the world. This is not a non violent 455 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 4: approach to ending the occupation to try to isolate Israel 456 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 4: politically to force change, just as happened with South Africa. 457 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 4: The number one kind of response to that from Israel 458 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: and its defenders was that this is anti Semitic. 459 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 6: Why are you singling out Israel? 460 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 4: So and you had states like Texas and others like 461 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 4: straight up banning support of BDS. If the International Court 462 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 4: of Justice finds Israel guilty of genocide. It's very difficult 463 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 4: then to tell supporters of BDS that the only reason 464 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 4: they're supportive of BDS is because they're anti Semites, right, 465 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 4: because they can then points, well, what about the International 466 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 4: Court of Justice? Right, So that then makes it easier 467 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 4: politically for those those forces aligned with Palestinian civil society 468 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 4: to isolate as real politically, which then pressures them to 469 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 4: change their behavior. 470 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you can already. 471 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 3: See. 472 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: I mean some impact has been had by these charges, 473 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: even in the fact that you know, John Kirby and 474 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: Matthew Miller are having to get asked about it and 475 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: having to respond and having to make some truly, you know, 476 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 1: ridiculous statements in response to that. 477 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 5: I want to go ahead and move on. 478 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: There's been huge developments in terms of the risks of 479 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: a broader war. So we're going to pause for a minute. 480 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: We're going to bring in doctor Tree to Parsi and 481 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: break all of that down for you. So, as we've 482 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: been discussing, risks have really been proliferating throughout the Middle East. 483 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: We had that terrorist attack in Iran yesterday, We've had 484 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: assassinations in Lebanon. We've of course had those hoofy attacks 485 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: in the Red Sea, and the US looking to escalate 486 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: our response there. So joining us now to break down 487 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: all of this and what it means, what it could mean, 488 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: is doctor Tree to Parsi. He's of course executive vice 489 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: president of the Quincy Institute for Responsible state Craft and 490 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: fantastic front of the show. 491 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 3: Great to see you, sir, Great to see you. 492 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 6: Happy New Year. 493 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: So you had an article that you just posted in 494 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: the nation. Let's put this up on the screen. Talking 495 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: about the risks here, you asked the question will Israel 496 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: drag the US into another ruinous war, and lay on 497 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: the case very clearly that you know, as the US 498 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: is trying to assemble this coalition to go after Huti's 499 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: and figure out how to respond in all these various 500 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: ways that Biden has blocked the most clear solution to 501 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: all of these problems, which is to push for a 502 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: ceasefire in Gaza. 503 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 11: Absolutely, man, we have four areas of potential escalation right now, 504 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 11: the Libanese Israeli border, Iraq and Syria, with the malicious 505 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 11: attacking US troops the Red Sea because of what the 506 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 11: hooties are doing, and then of course a potential direct 507 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 11: confrontation between Iran and Israel, particularly if it emerges that 508 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 11: the Israelis had a hand in those attacks yesterday, which 509 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 11: of course at this point we don't know. The US's approached, 510 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 11: Biden's approach essentially has been to escalate in order to 511 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 11: de escalate, move more troops there, issue threats just now, 512 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 11: very clear threats to the juties that they will be 513 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 11: attacked if there's an additional attack against the ships, on 514 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 11: a very immediate level, perhaps one can say that is understandable, 515 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 11: there needs to be a degree of the turns. But 516 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 11: at the same time, the easiest and fastest way of 517 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 11: actually de escalating this situation is a ceasefire. And we 518 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 11: know that for certain because during the six days that 519 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 11: there was a ceasefire, that's the six days in which 520 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 11: the Iraqi militious completely seized all attacks on US troops. 521 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 11: There were six attacks the day before the ceasefire, but 522 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 11: for those six days nothing, and then they issued warnings 523 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 11: on the sixth day of the ceasefire and saying that 524 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 11: they will resume attacks if Israel resumes bombing Gada. Even 525 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 11: when it comes to the hooties, there was a significant reduction, 526 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 11: So we know for certain that at least there's a 527 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 11: very significant likelihood of that succeeding. But it appears to 528 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 11: be the one option that the Bide administration is the 529 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 11: least inclined to pursue, even though it seems to be 530 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 11: the most effective. 531 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about the terrorist attack yesterday at the 532 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 4: event commemorating costum solemoney we actually have. We have John 533 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 4: Kirby here responding to questions Matt Miller also made similar 534 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 4: comments yesterday. Here's Kirby being asked about potential Israeli involvement 535 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 4: in this attack. 536 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 8: We don't have any more detail in terms of how 537 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 8: it happened or who might be responsible for it. On 538 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 8: your second question, again, I would point you to our 539 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 8: Israeli partners to talk more about this. We're again not 540 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 8: in a position to confirm the specific reports. I would 541 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 8: just tell you that al Hurri was a noted designated 542 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 8: global terrorist and if he is in fact dead, nobody 543 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 8: should be shedding a tear over his loss. We have 544 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 8: no indication at this time at all that Israel was 545 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 8: involved in any way whatsoever. 546 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 12: No indication. But just to be clear, you don't think 547 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 12: did they support or assist in some other one? 548 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 8: I would I'm not going to speak for another nation. 549 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 8: I would just tell you that we have no indication 550 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 8: that Israel was in any way. 551 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 3: Involved in this. 552 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 4: So his first answer was about the assassination of al Alori, 553 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 4: and he says, well, I'll talk to the Israelis about that, 554 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 4: And then with the second one he says, we have 555 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 4: no indication that it was the Israelis. So there is 556 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 4: a degree of difference in the kind of response there, 557 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 4: So take them both. For it's broadly assumed that Israel 558 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 4: was responsible for the killing of the Hamas leader in Beirut, 559 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 4: and Israel has made very little effort to deny that. 560 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: When it comes to the attack in Iran, Israel does 561 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 4: seem to be signaling to allies that they were not responsible. 562 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 4: So why would they be responsor why was suspicion on them? 563 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 4: And if it wasn't them, who would it have been? 564 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 6: Why? 565 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 11: I mean the suspicion as to why it would be 566 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 11: them is of course because of the context that we're in. 567 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 11: We had the assassination of the Ivani in general in 568 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 11: the Mascuts just about a week ago, and then you 569 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 11: had the assassination of the Hamas officials and others. So 570 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 11: within this context hesbel official yesterday as well. So given 571 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 11: that context and on all of those others. 572 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: There's clear fingered. 573 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 11: Indication that there was israelis So it certainly raises suspicious However, 574 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 11: there's no evidence at this point, the evidence that some 575 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 11: are putting forward that this is not the modus operandi 576 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 11: of the Israelis, et cetera. I think that's a fair argument, 577 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 11: but I think we should also recognize that things have 578 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 11: changed after Godza, after the October seventh attacks, in which 579 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 11: you know, the Israelis themselves have said that previous red lines, 580 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 11: previous operations, previous ways of doing things are no longer 581 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 11: the case. So I think we need to keep that 582 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 11: in mind. There is another possibility, of course, which is 583 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 11: that it is the Iran and Mojad in THEK, which 584 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 11: is a terrorist organization, was on the EUS on the 585 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 11: US's terrorist list, got off that list during the Obama 586 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 11: administration for political reasons because they were just buying off 587 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 11: half of the city. The law before them, they were 588 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 11: used by the Israelis to conduct assassinations of israel of 589 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 11: Iranian scientists, and this was revealed by the Obama administration 590 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 11: itself that the Israelis were working with MEK, and the 591 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 11: Israelis have had a relationship with the MK for quite 592 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 11: some time. Their motors OPRANDI would very much be to 593 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 11: do an attack of this kind. So it could also 594 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 11: be that it is THEMK potentially with some Israeli dimension. 595 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 6: What about ISIS or elementary Yeah. 596 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 11: So ISIS in Afghanistan, the Horazzan province. They have attacked 597 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 11: Iran just in the last three years more than three 598 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 11: four times. Some of those attacks quite bloody, nothing like this, 599 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 11: of course, and there is definitely a likelihood that it 600 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 11: could be them as well. 601 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 5: It would raise it they take credit for those attacks. 602 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 11: They do, and on Twitter there were accounts taking credit 603 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 11: for it, but not by that the official sources there. 604 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 11: But it's also a very interesting question that will be 605 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 11: raised if this was isis There's already all kinds of 606 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 11: conspiracy theories in the region asking the question why did 607 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 11: iss never attack Israel during all of the period that 608 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 11: it was active, And it would raise additional questions. During 609 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 11: this war in Gaza, they have done nothing, They've said 610 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 11: nothing about the war in Gaza, but then they take 611 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 11: the opportunity to attack Iran. So it doesn't necessarily mean anything, 612 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 11: but it will just add fuel to some of the 613 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 11: speculation about all of this. 614 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: So why would Israel potentially want war with Iran? Because 615 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: I think that would be the other pushback is like, 616 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: this would be obviously incredibly escalatory, this would be inviting 617 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: a direct confrontation. Israel did have some hand in this 618 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: terrorist attack, so what would be the potential logic behind it? 619 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,959 Speaker 11: So that's the question I'm perplexed by. Mindful of the 620 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 11: fact that for twenty years, the Israelis have done everything 621 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 11: they can to get the US to go into war 622 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 11: with Iran. And just remember what happened a couple of 623 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 11: years ago when Nataniaho was pressing Donald Trump to attack 624 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 11: Iran after the US elections, when Trump had lost and 625 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 11: Trump thought that perhaps by starting a war he would 626 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 11: be able to overturn the elections, and he was pushed 627 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 11: by Nataniaho to do so, and they were counter pressure 628 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 11: for Milli, etc. The Israelis have tried to get the 629 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 11: United States to go to war with Iran for more 630 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 11: than twenty years. They've been pushed back by previous presidents. 631 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 11: Even Trump pushed back prior to that specific incident, and 632 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 11: he actually told the Israelis, if you think this is 633 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 11: a good idea, you should go ahead and do it 634 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 11: on your own, and did not want to have part 635 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 11: of it. Obama pushed back against this. Now the Israelis 636 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 11: find himself with the most deferential president that I can 637 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 11: remember when it comes to Israeli military strategies and objectives, 638 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 11: and they may just believe that this is the one 639 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 11: opportunity they have waited for. Natanyau in particular, who was 640 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 11: in charge back then when they were trying to start 641 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 11: a war with Iran. And the way these Raelis wanted 642 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 11: to start the war is that they would do something, 643 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 11: but they would drag the US into it. Given how 644 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 11: Biden has gone along with almost everything Israel has done 645 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 11: right now, it wouldn't be inconceivable that these Raelis would 646 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 11: think that this is the best opportunity they have Yet 647 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 11: is it evidence that they were behind it? 648 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 9: No? 649 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 11: But as to the question is there a potential motive, 650 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 11: clearly there is. 651 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 4: But to set aside the attack inside Iran, you still 652 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 4: have the Hesbla assassination, the running HIERGC general in Syria 653 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 4: getting assassinated, and then also then. 654 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 6: The Hamas official in Bebrun. 655 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 4: So there's clear evidence that they're certainly not opposed to 656 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 4: an escalation. 657 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 6: Oh so, let's let's say that they get what they want, 658 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 6: that they get. 659 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 4: The escalation, that now there's a direct confrontation. Do you 660 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 4: think that they're correct that the US goes along with them? 661 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 11: Depends on how it happens. I think if you have assassinations, 662 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 11: that then begets a strong response by Hisbolah or by 663 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 11: Iran with another attack on Israel with a lot of 664 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 11: civilian deaths. Then I think once again you would find 665 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 11: and by it in a situation that he would strongly 666 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 11: support the Israeli war effort, which originally, at least initially 667 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 11: will be military support other types of support. The question 668 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 11: is will it eventually drag the US into the war itself, 669 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 11: because once that happens, I mean, already the US is 670 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 11: very much I mean, all the weapons that are being 671 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 11: used in Gods essentially are American weapons. But once that happens, 672 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 11: you're going to have additional escalation risks because you already 673 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 11: have all of these attacks on US troops and basis 674 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 11: by Iraqi and Syria Milie. At one point one of 675 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 11: them will be successful. 676 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 3: In that scenario. At that point, the US will respond. 677 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 3: I mean, the. 678 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 6: Attack injured somebody pretty recently. 679 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 11: Exactly just yesterday or a couple of hours ago, there 680 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 11: was one in Iraq, and the Iraqis are pointing the 681 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 11: finger either at the US or at Israel. Next time, 682 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 11: when some American soldiers are dead, the US is going 683 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 11: to respond even strong and it's just gonn't escalate further. 684 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 11: I think we should remember one thing. We've been lucky 685 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 11: that it hasn't happened. Yet, on October twenty sixth, there 686 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 11: was an attack by an Iraqi militia against the air 687 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 11: Will base in northern Iraq. It managed to get through 688 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 11: all of the American air defenses five am in the morning. 689 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 11: It hit the barracks on the second floor where American 690 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 11: soldiers were sleeping. By pure luck, the explosives did not 691 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 11: work and the drone did not explode. Had it exploded, 692 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 11: the US most likely would have retaliated very strongly, killed 693 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 11: a very large number of militia men, which would probably 694 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 11: have be gotten another response by them, and we would 695 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 11: be at And. 696 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: We all know the way that the media pushes. We 697 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: already see the voices, you know, hawkish voices both on 698 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: the right end and the Democratic Party pushing in this direction. 699 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: I also wanted to get your reaction to some news 700 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: that's developing with regard to the Huthi's. Put this up 701 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: on the screen from the Wall Street Journal. This is 702 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: a nine guys US allies give hu They's ultimatum stop 703 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: ship attacks or face consequences. This report says that US, 704 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: Britain and key allies issued what officials described as a 705 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: final warning to the Many rebel group Wednesday to cease 706 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: its attacks on international shipping in the Red Sea or 707 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: bear the consequences. They go on to say that the 708 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: US military has prepared options to strike the Iran backed 709 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: rebel group according to US officials. What are the risks 710 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: attendant to this strategy? 711 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 3: Massive risk? 712 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 11: I think, first of all, I think it's important to 713 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 11: keep in mind this is the UK and the US. 714 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 11: Major other countries France, Italy, Spain have pulled out of 715 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 11: this coalition precisely because of a desire not to get 716 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 11: dragged into war. I think some of them were also 717 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 11: fearing that they were used as bait. 718 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 6: Looks like Bahrain is the only Middle. 719 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 11: Mighty Bahrain, isn't it. So that tells you something. And 720 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 11: incidentally took a pass. And this is supposed to be 721 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 11: a neighborhood watch watching the neighborhood. And the neighborhood is 722 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 11: the Red Sea. There's no countries from the neighborhood in 723 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 11: the neighborhood, right yeah. So, but the escalation risk is 724 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 11: they're very significant. The hooties have capabilities ballistic missiles, et cetera. 725 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 11: And one of the things that they might do, which 726 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 11: would be very dangerous, and it would also be destabilizing 727 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 11: for the region as a whole. They may start targeting 728 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 11: the UAE and Saudi Arabia as a way of pressuring 729 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 11: the US. That could potentially then cause a breakdown of 730 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 11: the Iranian Saudi normalization, which actually has helped stabilize a 731 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 11: lot of different areas in the region right now. If 732 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 11: that falls apart, we might be in a much much 733 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 11: worse situation than we're right now. So this is and 734 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 11: that's beyond the escalation risk of the US getting further 735 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 11: dragged into the war. Of course, this is again very dangerous, 736 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 11: and it goes back to what we talked about earlier on. 737 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 11: There is a much safer, faster, more effective way of 738 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 11: preventing this escalation, right and that is actually to have 739 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 11: a cease firing GAUSA. Let me just add one point 740 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 11: on that. It raises the question again and again what 741 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 11: is it. What is the US interest and continued bombardment 742 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 11: of Gaza that is of such value that Biden is 743 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 11: willing to risk all of these escalatory cycles. And on 744 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 11: top of that, according to the Democrats themselves, they say 745 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 11: that the elections in this year is going to be 746 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 11: about the survival of American democracy and the polls clearly 747 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 11: show that Biden is destroying his winning coalition, particularly because 748 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,479 Speaker 11: of how he's pushing away the gen Z. So he's 749 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 11: not only risking his reelection, he's not only risking war, 750 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 11: according to him himself, he's also risking American democracy. For 751 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 11: what what is the American interest in continued bombardment in 752 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 11: Gaza that makes all of this worthwhile? 753 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 4: That's actually what I wanted to ask, because it's also 754 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 4: in contradiction with the reports of Biden's own strategy. Keep 755 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 4: hearing that Blincoln and Biden and others are telling them 756 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 4: by the new year, this has got to be done. 757 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 4: Like you don't what did Blinken say, You don't have 758 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 4: that much runway? Like you don't have that much credit? 759 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 4: I mean, like because when they said they wanted to 760 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 4: go for months, you know it has to be over 761 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 4: by now. So even they think this needs to end, 762 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 4: they have the power to end it. It is causing 763 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 4: all of these risks to everything that they stand for. 764 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 4: Yet they're carrying on simply so that starvation and bombing 765 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 4: can continue. 766 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 6: And to what end? Do you have an answer to 767 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 6: that question? Or I don't. 768 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 11: The only thing I think we can say is that 769 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 11: earlier assessments which treated Biden as if he was not 770 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 11: entirely on board with the Israeli strategy, but he was 771 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 11: trying to build credibility with them with a beer hog 772 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 11: or show support so that he at some point could 773 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 11: be able to rein them back. I just don't think 774 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 11: that has proven to be true, because it seems much 775 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 11: more likely that he actually signed on to the Israeli 776 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 11: objective of the elimination of Hamas. He wanted to see 777 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 11: Israel do to Hamas what the United States could not 778 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 11: do to the Taliban, knowing the lessons from that lesson. 779 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 11: He never had the lessons from that story. He nevertheless 780 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 11: supported this, and I think that much better explains why 781 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 11: he's been so obstinate about preventing a ceasefire and thinking 782 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 11: that he's actually still building up cachet and credibility so 783 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 11: at one point later on. 784 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 3: Push for it. 785 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point you have to view that as absurd. 786 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to me is almost just like 787 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: purely ideological and not based on a current analysis of 788 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: American interest, let alone humanitarianism. 789 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 5: On that last point. 790 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: That you both referred to, there is this argument out 791 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: there of like, oh, you all act like the US 792 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,439 Speaker 1: could just push a button this would all be over. 793 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: And really they're their own country, and you know, even 794 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: if we were opposed to it, they would continue and 795 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 1: do what they want to do. 796 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 5: You know what is your response to that? 797 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: Does the US really have significant leverage in this situation? 798 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 11: Of course it does. It's an absurd notion to say 799 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 11: that the US doesn't. I mean, we have that Israeli 800 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 11: major general who just admitted it last week, last month 801 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 11: saying that all these weapons are coming from the US. 802 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 11: If the US cuts off the tap, we can't fight period. 803 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 6: So it's very clear. 804 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 11: I mean, Biden has shipped ten thousand tons of weapons 805 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 11: and ammunition to Israel since the beginning of this war. 806 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 11: The Israelis needed to continue, particularly mindful of the pace 807 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 11: and quantity of bombardments that they're raining down on Garda, 808 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 11: which far exceeds what the US did in Mosul, for instance, 809 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 11: against ISIS. 810 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 3: But it also raises the other question. 811 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 11: If it is so, let's assume for a second that 812 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 11: the United States doesn't have that leverage, Ok, then why 813 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 11: are we sending these weapons? You can say that the 814 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 11: US doesn't have a leverage to stop it, why are 815 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 11: we fueling it? 816 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 6: Answer that question? 817 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 11: Then if it is so that we cannot stop it, fine, 818 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 11: perhaps we can't, But why are we fueling it? Why 819 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 11: are we sending more weapons? In that case, that's the 820 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,720 Speaker 11: question that is not being answered. 821 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, last question for me Hassan Nasrala's speech yesterday, leader 822 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 4: of Hesbola, what did you take away from that? 823 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 11: I think that speech again showed that there is no 824 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 11: desire either in Iran or in Hezbolah to actually have 825 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 11: open warfare. There is clearly a war going on between 826 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 11: these different sides, but open warfare in which the Israelis 827 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 11: would completely invade Lebanon, the Lebanese would use all of 828 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 11: their resources and assets against Israel, potentially dragging in the 829 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 11: US is not something that they believe is beneficial to 830 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 11: them for a variety of reasons. It's not just because 831 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 11: they're weak and militarily, it's also what would it do 832 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 11: inside of Lebanon because of its dynamics. The same thing 833 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,919 Speaker 11: is happening on the Ranian side. Lebanon's or Hissbola's red 834 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 11: line is that, you know, essentially an invasion is their 835 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 11: red line. That's how they would get involved in the war. 836 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 11: Same thing is coming on the Ranian side. They're saying 837 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 11: that unless there is an attack on the Iranian soil, 838 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 11: Yvon will stay out of the war. Now, whether that 839 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,760 Speaker 11: terrorist attack qualifies as that, you know, there's a gray 840 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 11: area there. It depends on how it is being interpreted. 841 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,919 Speaker 11: But I think from the very beginning it's been clear 842 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 11: they're not looking for that open type of a confrontation. 843 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 11: They're looking for a more indirect, asymmetric way of conducting 844 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 11: this war. 845 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Parsi, thank you so much for spending some time 846 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: with us. This morning is truly invaluable. 847 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. Great to see you, 848 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 3: Good to see you. 849 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders is shifting his tone a bit on the 850 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 4: war in Gaza, coming out with a statement calling netnya 851 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 4: whose war quote when put this up here, illegal, immoral, brutal, 852 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:04,240 Speaker 4: and grossly portionate, he says Congress must reject any effort 853 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 4: to pass ten billion dollars of unconditional military aid for 854 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 4: the right wing net Yahoo government. Longer statement up there, 855 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 4: if you want to pause it and read it, Crystal, 856 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 4: Let's unpack this a little bit. First, the obvious point 857 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 4: he has yet to call for a ceasefire. One of 858 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 4: the things that people have always loved about Bernie is 859 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 4: his consistency and his stubbornness. Here his stubbornness, I'd be 860 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 4: surprised if he he goes to his grave never calling 861 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 4: for the words cease fire. He might say the fire 862 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 4: should cease, but he's not going to let the left 863 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 4: pressure him into saying a cease fire. He will call 864 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 4: the war illegal, grossly disproportionate, immoral, and brutal. But he's 865 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 4: just not going to go there and say say those words, 866 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 4: which whatever we're not, we're not here to like make 867 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders say magical words because they're not going to 868 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 4: actually do anything. How significant is this, though, let's say, 869 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 4: short of calling for a cease fire, how sick difficiant 870 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 4: is it for him to call for blocking the ten 871 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 4: billion dollars and to call the war illegal because yeah, 872 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 4: that's calling for a ceasefire because nobody supports an illegal war. 873 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 6: He just won't say the word. 874 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: He just won't say the words, which is frustrating. I 875 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: mean it is frustrating because just at this point, really 876 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,879 Speaker 1: how many we're up according to euromed mine also over 877 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,839 Speaker 1: thirty thousand. 878 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 4: Point on that not me US is undermined, if it really, 879 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,240 Speaker 4: if your ego won't let you go. 880 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 5: With the US, very true, That is very true, I 881 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:32,479 Speaker 5: do think. 882 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,879 Speaker 1: I mean, so it's complicated because on the one hand, 883 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: you're like number one, what took you so freakin' long 884 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: to have this level of upset over what has. 885 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,839 Speaker 5: Been clear from day one? 886 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Bertie Sanders is not naive about who Benjamin 887 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: Netanya who is. He's not naive about what the current 888 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: Israeli government is, or about really what successive Israeli governments 889 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 1: have been moving towards for decades now. Because I also 890 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 1: don't want to give the impression that Netana who is 891 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: some outlier in Israeli society right now, he's not, I mean, 892 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,240 Speaker 1: if anything, in Israeli society he is kind of a moderate, 893 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: which is terrifying. His government, however, is the most extreme 894 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 1: in history. Bernie is not ignorant of any of these facts. 895 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: So it was always clear from day one that the 896 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,800 Speaker 1: response was going to be a whore. And the statements 897 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: that were made from the Israeli government, in case you 898 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: weren't any doubt, you could just listen to their own comments, 899 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: you know, the siege, the complete medieval siege, denying millions 900 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: of people food, water, medical care, fuel, etc. That was 901 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: announced as official government policy, so to not see it 902 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,800 Speaker 1: for what it was from day one was preposterous. 903 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,800 Speaker 5: Then, of course you have the specter of. 904 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: You know, somewhere around the numbers vary a little bit, 905 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: but around eighty percent of the deaths being innocent civilians, 906 00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,800 Speaker 1: which also was incredibly predictable in a densely populated enclave 907 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 1: where a majority of people are kids. So you know, 908 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: that was not surprising it either, but for it to 909 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,240 Speaker 1: have taken this long to even put out this statement 910 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: is immensely frustrating. However, you want to say, Okay, good, 911 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad you finally are seeing it at least somewhat 912 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: like what the overwhelming majority of the world and certainly 913 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of your supporters the way that they 914 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: see this thing. And I do think it's significant because 915 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: he is the United States senator, and you know, an 916 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 1: individual senator, as you know you know better than I do, 917 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: has a significant amount of power. You now have a 918 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: situation where the Biden administration is trying to. 919 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 5: Put together these three pieces Ukraine. 920 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: Aid, border funding and additional aid to Israel and the 921 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,280 Speaker 1: ideas in the new year, when you know when Congress 922 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: comes back that this is going to be a top priority. 923 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,839 Speaker 1: And so if you have Bernie Sanders really trying to 924 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 1: muck up the works on that whole thing and taking 925 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: an adamant stance against it, Yeah, I do think that 926 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: that actually does have some significance. 927 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been. 928 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 4: A real drag on the anti war push to have 929 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 4: to drag the most left wing senator to this position, 930 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 4: and me on a. 931 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,800 Speaker 1: Pak right that were like, look at Bernie Sanders making 932 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 1: the case against a ceasefire, which was grotesque, Which was 933 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 1: grotesque to see. 934 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, and your point, your point to single out his 935 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,360 Speaker 4: use of the word the phrase the kind of the 936 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 4: right wing that Yahoo government as a way to kind 937 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 4: of distance the entire project from this and to try 938 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 4: to pin it on net and Yahoo, I think is 939 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 4: relevant here and to show how far he had to travel. 940 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,879 Speaker 6: There's a there was a clip. 941 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 4: From early November where he was on cable television and 942 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 4: was asked about a ceasefire. 943 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 6: Let's let's roll this and then unpack it. 944 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 9: I want to just clarify one thing, Senator, if I might, 945 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 9: you support a humanitarian pause and Gaza. Some of your 946 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 9: fellow progressives say that there should be a full on ceasefire, 947 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 9: which would require an agreement on both sides to halt 948 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 9: the fighting. Do you support a sea fire and if not, 949 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 9: why not? 950 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 13: Well, I don't know how you can have a cease 951 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 13: fire permanency spire with an organization like Hamas, which is 952 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 13: dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of Israel. 953 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 13: And I think what the Arab countries in the region 954 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,960 Speaker 13: understand that Hamas has got. 955 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 4: To go, right, So that's almost that's two months ago 956 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 4: at this point. What I found so interesting about that 957 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 4: response from him is that a kind of left wing 958 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 4: senator analysis of that same situation would say, Okay, yes, sure, yes, 959 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 4: Hamas is founded with genocidal attent towards Israel, but Hamas 960 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 4: and the occupation are mutually reinforcing kind of dysfunctional elements. 961 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 4: You could just as easily and kind of more persuasively 962 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,840 Speaker 4: say that how can you ever have a permanent cease 963 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,800 Speaker 4: fire with one party occupy militarily occupying another party? 964 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,320 Speaker 6: That's not that is there's there's that's that's not a ceasefire. 965 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,800 Speaker 4: And even if the occupation doesn't involve kind of shooting 966 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 4: civilians for a period of several hours or several days, 967 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,279 Speaker 4: and occupation is still done by force. And you know 968 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 4: there had been you know, hundreds of civilians killed just 969 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 4: in the West Bank before October seventh. 970 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: That's right, and so just get ignored though in this 971 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: whole seasfire commerce, right. 972 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 4: You keep hearing APAC in particular say one of their 973 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 4: big talking points is there was a there was a 974 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 4: ceasefire on October six. No, there's been an ongoing war 975 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,239 Speaker 4: which involves an occupation that's not a ceasefire. 976 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,839 Speaker 1: To make it entirely clear, the greatest threat to Hamas 977 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,240 Speaker 1: and the greatest threat to Israeli extremists is de escalation 978 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: in peace. 979 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 5: That is the greatest threat to Hamas. 980 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 1: And that's not theoretical when you look at a polling 981 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 1: of Palestinians throughout history, when there was some peaceful process 982 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 1: to be engaged with, where there was some reasonable hope 983 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: and expectation that it would result in some kind of 984 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 1: a settlement, not even what I would call a just settlement, 985 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 1: but some kind of a settlement. Support for groups like 986 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 1: Hamas armed resistance groups like Hamas decreases when those pathways 987 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: are all closed. Guess what support for violence increases, and 988 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: we're seeing it right now. I mean this idea that, oh, 989 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,319 Speaker 1: by inflicting a shock on the civilian population, they're going 990 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 1: to turn on humas and that's how we're going to 991 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:30,759 Speaker 1: get them. 992 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:31,799 Speaker 5: It's preposterous. 993 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: This has literally never happened in history that bombing the 994 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,800 Speaker 1: hell out of a civilian population causes them to turn 995 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,279 Speaker 1: on whoever there is governing them. No, it causes them 996 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 1: to be hardened in their actual support to rally around 997 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 1: the flag. This is what we saw in the bombings 998 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: in Britain during the World War Two. It's what we 999 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: saw in the Allied bombings of dressed in other places 1000 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,400 Speaker 1: in Germany in World War Two. We have seen this 1001 00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 1: throughout history. So it's a preposterous idea. And you know, 1002 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to psychoanalyze Bernie. It 1003 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 1: seems to me that and this is not to make 1004 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,839 Speaker 1: excuses either. It's like a product of his generation on this, 1005 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 1: because if you look at the polling, you know. 1006 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 5: The older you are, the more likely you. 1007 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,680 Speaker 1: Are to see things through this binary of Israel's good 1008 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 1: and the Palestinians are bad and that's that, and so 1009 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 1: it just seems to me like he has been incredibly 1010 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,480 Speaker 1: corrupted by the propaganda that he has been exposed to 1011 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,440 Speaker 1: throughout his life and is much more similar to his 1012 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 1: own generational cohort than he is to the younger base 1013 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,440 Speaker 1: that you know overwhelmingly supports him and most of his ideas. 1014 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,880 Speaker 4: And your point that peace is the real risk to 1015 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 4: these extremists both is in the Israeli government in Hamas 1016 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 4: is so important and needs to be underscored. There have 1017 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,760 Speaker 4: been idiots within kind of Hamas who thought that violent 1018 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 4: attacks against Israeli civilians would cause Israeli public to turn 1019 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 4: against the occupation like that was. 1020 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 6: There were there were people. 1021 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 4: Who made that argument absurd, immoral, unethical, disgusting like gross, 1022 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,399 Speaker 4: and also tactically incorrect, like it unifies the country. We've 1023 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 4: seen it before though, when the ANC was launching kind 1024 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 4: of terror attacks against the apartheid South African government. The 1025 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 4: white africaners said, if we give in to the ANC, 1026 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,839 Speaker 4: if we give in to these terror attacks, then all 1027 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 4: the black people are going to organize through ANC and 1028 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 4: kill all the white people in South Africa. But instead, 1029 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,759 Speaker 4: after apartheid was torn down, the violent militant wing of 1030 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,879 Speaker 4: the a n C had no reason to exist anymore and. 1031 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,359 Speaker 6: Just faded and just faded away. The IRA. 1032 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,920 Speaker 4: Was told the same thing that if we give in 1033 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,719 Speaker 4: to the IRA, that they're going to just they're going 1034 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,680 Speaker 4: to take out violent retribution against the British because because 1035 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,480 Speaker 4: of what the British have been doing for thousands of 1036 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,440 Speaker 4: years to the Irish. You know, the depth of the 1037 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,719 Speaker 4: hatred between you know, both religious and ethnic is so 1038 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,839 Speaker 4: deep that it's going to lead to endless violence if 1039 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,280 Speaker 4: unless we so we just have to keep our boot 1040 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 4: on the neck of the Ira. As soon as the 1041 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 4: war ends and there's dignity and peace, Yeah, the reason 1042 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 4: to be in the militant wing of jin Fein like 1043 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 4: just evaporates. 1044 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you have some. 1045 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,719 Speaker 4: Splinter groups that just are defined by their need to 1046 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 4: be violent, but that they're just tiny little elements that 1047 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,280 Speaker 4: fade away and within a couple generations that they're completely gone. 1048 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,960 Speaker 4: And also people age out, Like that's the other thing 1049 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 4: people don't understand, Like participating in that sort of violence 1050 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,320 Speaker 4: is a thing you do in your teens and twenties 1051 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,719 Speaker 4: for the most part, and that you know, if you 1052 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,560 Speaker 4: can get to a place where you can just live 1053 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,440 Speaker 4: a normal life. That's what most people want, and that's 1054 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,960 Speaker 4: why you don't have bombings in Dublin anymore or in 1055 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:53,920 Speaker 4: South Africa. 1056 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 1: And to ignore that analysis is to make the case, 1057 00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:03,880 Speaker 1: which unfortunately many do, that Arabs, Palestinians, Muslims are somehow. 1058 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,279 Speaker 6: Different, just inherently violent. They're just inherently it's. 1059 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,320 Speaker 1: You know, yes, it's in their DNA, which is obviously 1060 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: a wrong and blatantly racist view, which again, unfortunately is 1061 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 1: all too common and pervades so much of the thinking 1062 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,919 Speaker 1: on this conflict, and is how you know, the news 1063 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,000 Speaker 1: media is typically able to get away with these completely 1064 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:32,239 Speaker 1: dehumanizing statements about Palestinians. A coverage of Palestinian atrocities, how 1065 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, we just had one of the deadliest attacks, 1066 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: which is really saying something in all of this war. 1067 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,040 Speaker 1: I think there were roughly two hundred Palestinians killed in 1068 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,480 Speaker 1: this one attack in Gaza. 1069 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,719 Speaker 5: You may not have even heard about it. It was 1070 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:44,320 Speaker 5: a footnote. 1071 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 1: Imagine if that was Israeli's Imagine if it was any 1072 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, Europeans. Imagine if it was here, God forbid, 1073 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: this would be front page news for months and months 1074 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 1: and months and justify apparently all sorts of atrocities being committed. 1075 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,759 Speaker 1: But since it's Palestinians, it's barely live on the radar, right, And. 1076 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 4: There are two million Arab Israeli civilians and they're not 1077 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,759 Speaker 4: blowing things up all over the place like there's nothing 1078 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,360 Speaker 4: inherent in being Arab. 1079 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,960 Speaker 5: It's a great point that the same people it's. 1080 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,399 Speaker 4: The oppression, right, Yeah, it's just just have they live 1081 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,280 Speaker 4: on different sides of defense. 1082 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is such a great point. The political fallout 1083 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,520 Speaker 1: certainly continues for Joe Biden over his response here, Ryan, 1084 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,160 Speaker 1: why don't you break down some of the latest polling 1085 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 1: for us not looking good? 1086 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,480 Speaker 4: It put up this first one, so you several months 1087 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 4: ago you started seeing polls showing Biden losing vote share 1088 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 4: among young people and among Hispanics, and originally it would 1089 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,440 Speaker 4: kick off days of kind of discourse online about how 1090 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,840 Speaker 4: the polling must be com completely wrong. We've seen so 1091 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 4: much of it now people just have to start taking 1092 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,960 Speaker 4: it seriously. So this poll from the Independent has Trump 1093 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,839 Speaker 4: leading Biden among Hispanic voters and absolutely incredible collapse for buy. 1094 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,200 Speaker 4: This has Trump up thirty nine thirty four. Even if 1095 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,160 Speaker 4: you consider this to be something of an outlier. It's 1096 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 4: directionally in the same direction as other poles. You've seen 1097 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,799 Speaker 4: anything Biden want some close to two thirds of the 1098 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 4: Hispanic popular voters in twenty twenty three. We've also seen 1099 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,040 Speaker 4: Donald Trump leading Joe Biden among young people in this 1100 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 4: independent poll in this poll thirty seven to thirty three. 1101 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 4: Even if you say, look, this is wrong. How wrong 1102 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,200 Speaker 4: is it? Say, let's say it's off by ten points 1103 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 4: in each direction. Yeah, that still puts Biden only at 1104 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:37,560 Speaker 4: forty three. 1105 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:38,680 Speaker 5: It still a catastrophe. 1106 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,200 Speaker 6: Twenty seven or something like. 1107 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,920 Speaker 4: Biden has to win like he did in twenty twenty 1108 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:49,360 Speaker 4: overwhelmingly among young people. He has to run up numbers 1109 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,440 Speaker 4: with Hispanic voters, he has to maintain his margins with 1110 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:58,440 Speaker 4: Black voters, and he's not doing any of that. The 1111 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,160 Speaker 4: coalition is coming apart at the seems. 1112 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,400 Speaker 1: It's collapsed, and I mean it sort of exposes the lie. 1113 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,680 Speaker 1: There's this idea in modern politics that everyone is just 1114 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,720 Speaker 1: like totally partisan and no one changes their mind based 1115 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 1: on events on the ground, and not so, guys. People 1116 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: are changing their mind in real time in a major way. 1117 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 1: And in the same poll, which was a USA Today's 1118 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 1: Suffolk University poll. They also found that only sixty three 1119 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: percent of black voters support Joe Biden. Now this is interesting. 1120 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,920 Speaker 1: It's not that black voters are saying, oh, actually we 1121 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,240 Speaker 1: love Donald Trump. No, Donald Trump is still getting the 1122 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: same twelve percent of Black voters that support him last 1123 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,600 Speaker 1: time around. However, you have one in five black respondents 1124 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 1: saying they're going to back a third party candidate in 1125 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. And it's you know, a similar story 1126 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,920 Speaker 1: with young people. It's not like they are flocking to 1127 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It's that they're looking around and saying, you 1128 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,600 Speaker 1: know what, I just I can't do this anymore. And 1129 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,440 Speaker 1: it turns out that participating in mass atrocities and you know, 1130 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,680 Speaker 1: spending our taxpayer do to kill babies in the gaza 1131 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:07,520 Speaker 1: strip turns out that has not only horrific humanitarian consequences 1132 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,480 Speaker 1: and consequences for US interests, it also has some pretty 1133 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,160 Speaker 1: negative consequences for you politically. 1134 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 4: And you might be asking yourself, do Democrats just want 1135 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,880 Speaker 4: to lose? Well, maybe, but let's just assume for the 1136 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,600 Speaker 4: sake of this conversation that they actually want to win. 1137 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,880 Speaker 4: And then the question is why on earth would they 1138 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,560 Speaker 4: stand behind a candidate who is getting crushed so badly 1139 00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,520 Speaker 4: in the polls when you still have almost a year 1140 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 4: ago before the election. And the answer that I get 1141 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,640 Speaker 4: from Democratic partisans and operatives in Washington. 1142 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:38,800 Speaker 6: Is that they're wing in a prayer. 1143 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,840 Speaker 4: Is that those people who are telling polsters now that 1144 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,120 Speaker 4: they're not supporting Biden, but they're not supporting Trump when forced, 1145 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 4: when push comes to shove, because they are being pushed 1146 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,360 Speaker 4: and shoved into the ballot box, that they will come 1147 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,560 Speaker 4: back to Biden and reluctantly cast a ballot for him. 1148 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 4: What I think that they're not understanding is not only 1149 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,720 Speaker 4: do you have maybe Cornell is on the ballot, maybe Cornell. 1150 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,200 Speaker 6: West is not. RFK Junior is going to be on 1151 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:04,760 Speaker 6: the ballot in a lot of places. 1152 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:11,560 Speaker 4: He's getting a lot of publicity within independent media and podcasts, 1153 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 4: which are are places that a lot of working class 1154 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,400 Speaker 4: people get their news from because they're listening to them 1155 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,520 Speaker 4: during quote unquote window time. Probably most of people listening 1156 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,480 Speaker 4: to us right now are engaged in some kind of 1157 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,120 Speaker 4: window time. That means, you know, they're they're they're driving 1158 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,400 Speaker 4: a truck, they're driving and driving an uber, they're just 1159 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,680 Speaker 4: driving themselves on a long commute or they're working construction, 1160 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,920 Speaker 4: they're working in a kitchen. Uh, they're they're working in 1161 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,600 Speaker 4: a hotel, and they and they and they want something 1162 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,240 Speaker 4: to kind of keep their mind off the boredom of 1163 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 4: of the work. 1164 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,440 Speaker 6: So they're listening to these long long form podcasts. Are 1165 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:45,560 Speaker 6: FK Juniors on those. 1166 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,200 Speaker 4: So if he's on the ballot and you're trying to 1167 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,520 Speaker 4: push these voters who who have told you that they 1168 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,240 Speaker 4: hate Biden into voting for Biden, they might take this 1169 01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,840 Speaker 4: this other choice. And so that that that they're making 1170 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,800 Speaker 4: is the whole reason that they that and Trump's unpopularity 1171 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,040 Speaker 4: is the whole reason that They're unwilling to consider any 1172 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,960 Speaker 4: kind of alternatives to Biden. It's a just a wild bet. 1173 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,880 Speaker 4: And I don't want to hear anything about, you know, 1174 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,520 Speaker 4: from those kinds of Democrats about who cares about the 1175 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,000 Speaker 4: you know, electoral politics, right, if this is the gamble 1176 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,360 Speaker 4: that they're willing to take with the future of the country. 1177 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,320 Speaker 1: So true, and listen, Let's be clear. Trump was also 1178 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,920 Speaker 1: incredibly sycophantic with Israel, or if K Junior may be 1179 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 1: the most takish, maybe the most pro Israel of all 1180 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,320 Speaker 1: of them, judging by my recent conversation with them in 1181 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,800 Speaker 1: many of other comments that he's said as well, necessarily rational. 1182 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,920 Speaker 5: True, that's right. He is an alternative. He is a 1183 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:45,800 Speaker 5: protest vote. 1184 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,600 Speaker 1: And you know, also, by the way, I do think 1185 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,560 Speaker 1: that there is something genuinely different between Okay, he's making 1186 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,280 Speaker 1: all of these statements that are incredibly pro Israel versus 1187 01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,920 Speaker 1: he's shipping the weapons right, he's blocking the UN resolutions, 1188 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:06,120 Speaker 1: he's actively participating in these atrocities and running cover right now, 1189 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,919 Speaker 1: like we see it before our eyes. That just hits 1190 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,360 Speaker 1: a little different than theoretical statements that are being made. 1191 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,320 Speaker 1: And to underscore I think what a break there is, 1192 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,120 Speaker 1: especially among young people on this issue. 1193 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,080 Speaker 5: This to me is extraordinary. I don't know, Ryan, you 1194 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:21,880 Speaker 5: can tell me, because. 1195 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,760 Speaker 1: You've got a better memory than me, whether you've ever 1196 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: seen anything like this in presidential politics. 1197 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,640 Speaker 5: Put this up on the screen. Biden's own campaign. 1198 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,840 Speaker 1: Staffers, seventeen of them, seventeen Biden for President twenty twenty 1199 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:40,160 Speaker 1: four campaign staffers just published this anonymous medium post calling 1200 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,480 Speaker 1: him out for his unconditional supporties. They say, dear President, 1201 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,800 Speaker 1: we need Dear President Biden, we need a cease fire. 1202 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:46,120 Speaker 5: Now. 1203 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,160 Speaker 1: We write to you as the current staff of your 1204 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,280 Speaker 1: reelection campaign. As we work to mobilize voters to cast 1205 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,040 Speaker 1: their ballots for you, we must take a moment to 1206 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,800 Speaker 1: acknowledge our tremendous grief and the grief shared by countless 1207 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 1: other Americans toward the fine occurring in Gaza. We join 1208 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,440 Speaker 1: this campaign because the values that you and we share 1209 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,800 Speaker 1: are once worth fighting for. Justice, empathy, and our belief 1210 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,680 Speaker 1: in the dignity of human life is the backbone of 1211 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,480 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, they claim, but of the country. However, 1212 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,800 Speaker 1: your administration's response to Israel's indiscriminate bombing a carefully chosen 1213 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,760 Speaker 1: word because that's what Bind himself said in Gaza, has 1214 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,320 Speaker 1: been fundamentally antithetical to those values, and we believe it 1215 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,640 Speaker 1: could cost you the twenty twenty four election. They go 1216 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,800 Speaker 1: on to list a series of actions that they would 1217 01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,080 Speaker 1: like to see him take. But I don't know that 1218 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:36,680 Speaker 1: I've ever seen a campaign staff presidential campaign staff come 1219 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,320 Speaker 1: out in this organized fashion and say you have to 1220 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,400 Speaker 1: stop this, you have to change now. 1221 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,240 Speaker 4: They didn't put their names on it, which has been 1222 01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,520 Speaker 4: a habit and a pattern in a lot of these 1223 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,800 Speaker 4: staff letters that have circulated. But it was published by 1224 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:53,200 Speaker 4: Politico's kind of West Wing playbook, which is, as the 1225 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,320 Speaker 4: name suggests, read very closely in the West wing. And 1226 01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,640 Speaker 4: so they very deliberately targeted it to to make sure 1227 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,080 Speaker 4: that everybody inside the White House read it, and those reporters, 1228 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,200 Speaker 4: because we've reported on some of these anonymous letters. 1229 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,000 Speaker 6: You make sure that you're not getting. 1230 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,360 Speaker 4: Punked by like just some random It's not some random 1231 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:11,479 Speaker 4: person dms you on Twitter. 1232 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,160 Speaker 6: It's like, hey, I'm mccammet. 1233 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,240 Speaker 4: You're like, all right, prove that you have seventeen people 1234 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,280 Speaker 4: who are the people are Okay, well, now we'll let 1235 01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,240 Speaker 4: this ride. But yes, I've never seen anything like this. 1236 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,960 Speaker 4: Partly this is it's new that staff are willing to 1237 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,480 Speaker 4: stand up in this way that you know, that's kind 1238 01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:34,280 Speaker 4: of a post twenty fifteen, twenty twenty thing. But you've 1239 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,880 Speaker 4: certainly never seen a staff of a presidential campaign, and 1240 01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,200 Speaker 4: certainly not of an incumbent president, come out with this 1241 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,400 Speaker 4: firm of a rejection of their own candidate. 1242 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Biden team does have a plan to 1243 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,800 Speaker 1: try to combat the collapsing pull numbers that they see. 1244 01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,240 Speaker 5: Let's put this up on the screen. They're going to. 1245 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,920 Speaker 1: Lean into Trump and lean in to January sixth, and 1246 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,760 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I might sneer at this, but let's 1247 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,200 Speaker 1: also be clear. I mean that's kind of worked for 1248 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,600 Speaker 1: them in the midtims of likee what they've got. Listen, 1249 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,320 Speaker 1: we're not really promising much, but we're not them. And 1250 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,640 Speaker 1: Trump is a maniac and all the people he supports 1251 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,880 Speaker 1: is a maniac. In January sixth was horrendous, and you know, 1252 01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,320 Speaker 1: let's throw in the overturning of Roe versus Wade again. 1253 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,479 Speaker 1: We're not going to do anything to reclaim those rights, 1254 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,080 Speaker 1: but we're not going to further erode them. And in 1255 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,120 Speaker 1: the midterms and in every basically special election we've had 1256 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,760 Speaker 1: since then, it's been a pretty potent political message. So 1257 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,960 Speaker 1: I can't completely turn up my nose at or sneer 1258 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:36,200 Speaker 1: at it. 1259 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,160 Speaker 4: And what's so incredible is that when it comes to 1260 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,200 Speaker 4: codifying Roe v. Wade, they actually could They actually could 1261 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,000 Speaker 4: run on that, like you could say, because they're getting 1262 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,880 Speaker 4: an enormous amount of support in special elections and just 1263 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,800 Speaker 4: around the country from the rejection of the kind of 1264 01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 4: Republican agenda and the successful Republican agenda overturning Roe v. 1265 01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:58,440 Speaker 6: Wade. 1266 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,720 Speaker 4: Biden could go to voters and say if you elect 1267 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,600 Speaker 4: me and hold the Senate and give me one or 1268 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,880 Speaker 4: two more people in the House of Representatives, flip the House. Yeah, 1269 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,960 Speaker 4: we will codify Roe v. Wade into law. You could actually, 1270 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,560 Speaker 4: I know, it's a novel idea. 1271 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 5: You can actually run on something to like make a. 1272 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,000 Speaker 4: Promise a pledge of something that you will do, get 1273 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,080 Speaker 4: votes for that thing, and then do that thing like 1274 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:24,479 Speaker 4: you could. 1275 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,640 Speaker 6: You could do that, but that seems to. 1276 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,040 Speaker 4: Be just so far beyond the imaginations of our politicians 1277 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,120 Speaker 4: that they just much rather just say, remember how bad 1278 01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,440 Speaker 4: January sixth was, and also how you know what a 1279 01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:36,440 Speaker 4: maniac Trump is. 1280 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,760 Speaker 6: You don't want that, so vote, so vote for us. 1281 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do think that listen, time will tell 1282 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:44,520 Speaker 1: they're betting. 1283 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:45,960 Speaker 5: Basically you might win. 1284 01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,400 Speaker 6: That's that's what's so crazy. 1285 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,320 Speaker 4: Biden could win, absolutely, But it is not take from 1286 01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,280 Speaker 4: this that it's locked in. 1287 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:52,320 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 1288 01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,800 Speaker 1: That is certainly the case, because people do hate Donald 1289 01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,840 Speaker 1: Trump and aren't excited about the chaos that he would 1290 01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,920 Speaker 1: bring with another four years of him in the White House. 1291 01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,920 Speaker 1: But I do think that there is something that has 1292 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:08,720 Speaker 1: fundamentally broken with regard to the Biden response in Israel 1293 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,800 Speaker 1: with you know, unconditional support for Israel that they don't 1294 01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,560 Speaker 1: seem to have really processed. 1295 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:15,080 Speaker 5: You know. 1296 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,400 Speaker 1: I think they really feel like, oh, they'll just get 1297 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,680 Speaker 1: over it, like they'll move on and. 1298 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,440 Speaker 6: If we don't give them a choice, they'll come back. 1299 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:22,320 Speaker 5: They'll come back around. 1300 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,080 Speaker 1: And I just I wouldn't bet on that because I 1301 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,200 Speaker 1: do think that this is a kind of like a 1302 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:35,240 Speaker 1: rock war type breaking point for young people who cannot 1303 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,240 Speaker 1: wrap their heads around the fact that we are so 1304 01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,240 Speaker 1: directly complicit in these horrors that they are seeing every 1305 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,520 Speaker 1: day on TikTok and other places where it's like, okay, 1306 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,640 Speaker 1: it's this is not just some horror happening in some 1307 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,640 Speaker 1: far off land like we are funding this. We are 1308 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,160 Speaker 1: directly complicit in this. This is happening on our watch 1309 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,160 Speaker 1: with this guy that many of us voted for. And 1310 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,120 Speaker 1: so I do think that it is, you know, a 1311 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,760 Speaker 1: different type of This isn't just like, oh, they'll move 1312 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,520 Speaker 1: on to the next issue of the day. I think 1313 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,600 Speaker 1: this has fundamentally reshaped an entire generations relationship towards the 1314 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:08,440 Speaker 1: Democratic Party. 1315 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,240 Speaker 4: And I know it will never happen, but I wanted 1316 01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,400 Speaker 4: to get your take on in these Times piece that 1317 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:14,320 Speaker 4: was out yesterday. 1318 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:15,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw your accents. 1319 01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, So they floated Andy Levin for president. Now it's 1320 01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,639 Speaker 4: partly absurd because I have to explain to everybody probably 1321 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,719 Speaker 4: who Andy Levin is. He's a former member of Congress 1322 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,160 Speaker 4: who was basically driven out of office by Apak in 1323 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,040 Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. He's the scion of the Leven family 1324 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,200 Speaker 4: in Michigan. It's Carl Levin, the son of Sandy Levin. 1325 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,360 Speaker 4: It was the ways it means chairman. He'd win Michigan 1326 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:43,759 Speaker 4: like he'd waltz through Michigan. He's also a former Synagogue president, okay, 1327 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,760 Speaker 4: but he has been very critical of Israel. He calls 1328 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,599 Speaker 4: himself a Zionist, but he's been very critical of Israel 1329 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,479 Speaker 4: for years and was very supportive of elan Omhar and 1330 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,919 Speaker 4: Rashida Tleive every time that they were attacked. And Apak 1331 01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,880 Speaker 4: said that the reason they went after or him was 1332 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,639 Speaker 4: that he, as a former Synagogue president, was giving cover 1333 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,040 Speaker 4: to critics of Israel. 1334 01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,839 Speaker 1: He was sort of a uniquely powerful and influential voice. 1335 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:13,559 Speaker 4: He's also he was the most powerful and most eloquent 1336 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,880 Speaker 4: kind of pro labor and pro union voice in the House. 1337 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,280 Speaker 4: So I mean, I think if you actually did nominate him. 1338 01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:25,479 Speaker 4: He went Apak absolutely loses its mind. He wins Wisconsin, Michigan, 1339 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,760 Speaker 4: Pennsylvania with his with his connections there and with his 1340 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:33,080 Speaker 4: pro labor, pro union record, and he and he easily 1341 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:37,080 Speaker 4: beats Donald Trump by ten points. And I don't see 1342 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,240 Speaker 4: that as even a controversial thing to say, right yet 1343 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,759 Speaker 4: it's basically impossible to envision it happening, which then raises 1344 01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,280 Speaker 4: the question, what is the point of a political party 1345 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:51,400 Speaker 4: that can't do that, that can't even conceptualize of doing that, right? 1346 01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:56,760 Speaker 5: I mean, listen, I'm all for it. I am one 1347 01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:57,320 Speaker 5: on board. 1348 01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,240 Speaker 1: But it's not like there have a been alternatives and 1349 01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,599 Speaker 1: the Democratic primary and then you've got Mary and Williamson, 1350 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,320 Speaker 1: you've got Dean Phillips. So you know, if your whole 1351 01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,080 Speaker 1: thing is like, oh, she's never been elected office, well 1352 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:11,160 Speaker 1: this is a credentialed fellow who you know, he's not 1353 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,719 Speaker 1: where I am on Israel, but he's been much better 1354 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,559 Speaker 1: than Joe Biden and has an actual knowledge of the region. 1355 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,679 Speaker 1: He's on the what is he the chair of the 1356 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,320 Speaker 1: subcommittee on the Middle East, so he has you know, 1357 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,479 Speaker 1: he's been to the region, he has some understanding of 1358 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,080 Speaker 1: it and so there are alternatives, but the Democratic Party 1359 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,680 Speaker 1: has gone out of their way to make sure that 1360 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:31,400 Speaker 1: there are no. 1361 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,920 Speaker 5: Not only no, they're not even having primaries. That's right. 1362 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,800 Speaker 5: I mean, this news just broke of another state. 1363 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,040 Speaker 1: I believe he's in North Carolina that just kicked everybody 1364 01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,400 Speaker 1: off the ballot except Joe Biden. 1365 01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:41,640 Speaker 5: And it's preposterous. 1366 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,439 Speaker 6: It's like a Sodam Hussein stuff. 1367 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,240 Speaker 5: It truly, truly is. 1368 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,639 Speaker 1: So you now are up to I believe it's four 1369 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,320 Speaker 1: or five states that have just said we're just not 1370 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:51,439 Speaker 1: even having a primary. 1371 01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:52,639 Speaker 5: We're just Joe Biden. 1372 01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,760 Speaker 3: You're the guy that's it percent to zero. 1373 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,360 Speaker 1: Congratulations, right, and all in the interest of preserving democracy, 1374 01:10:59,400 --> 01:10:59,720 Speaker 1: of course. 1375 01:10:59,800 --> 01:10:59,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. 1376 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,040 Speaker 1: So you know, you just can't take seriously that they 1377 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,800 Speaker 1: actually believe that democracy is at risk, that Trump is 1378 01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,920 Speaker 1: a unique threat, because if he was, yeah, you talk 1379 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,360 Speaker 1: about you know, Levin the fact that he's not that 1380 01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,840 Speaker 1: known and he's just sort of like a generic person 1381 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,320 Speaker 1: is a massive asset. Every poll shows that if you 1382 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,280 Speaker 1: just have generic Democrat on the ballot, they beat Trump 1383 01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:23,840 Speaker 1: hands down. 1384 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:24,920 Speaker 5: It's not even close. 1385 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:26,280 Speaker 6: Well, I've got a generic Democrat. 1386 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:27,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, you add to it. 1387 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,800 Speaker 1: That he's got you know, good like populous labor, and 1388 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,599 Speaker 1: he's good on the issue of you know, not just 1389 01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:36,439 Speaker 1: enabling dunocide because it's Israel. And yeah, I think you've 1390 01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,400 Speaker 1: got a pretty compelling case there in my opinion. 1391 01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,360 Speaker 5: But the Biden team doesn't have one thing going for 1392 01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,800 Speaker 5: the Ryan. This was just recently on Fox Duse. 1393 01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,400 Speaker 1: I just had to find an excuse to put this 1394 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,080 Speaker 1: in the show because it's sort of hilarious. For some reason, 1395 01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,559 Speaker 1: I don't know why, they brought on a tarot card 1396 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,880 Speaker 1: reader to try to tell us about the future of 1397 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,160 Speaker 1: what's going to happen in politics, and they asked her 1398 01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:57,280 Speaker 1: specifically about. 1399 01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,880 Speaker 5: The coming year for Donald Trump. Let's take a look 1400 01:11:58,880 --> 01:11:59,599 Speaker 5: at what happens. 1401 01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,960 Speaker 6: Oh what is that? 1402 01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I do recognize that I'm a Fox TV. 1403 01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:09,200 Speaker 5: A sense of lot. 1404 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,280 Speaker 1: The death card she pulls there, and she tries to 1405 01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,519 Speaker 1: come and be like, it just means a loss, means 1406 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:14,960 Speaker 1: a loss. 1407 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,759 Speaker 6: Yes, dark year for Donald Trump. 1408 01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,960 Speaker 1: Listen, I guess the lesson there is literally anything could 1409 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,639 Speaker 1: happen over the course of this year. I think any 1410 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,639 Speaker 1: outcome is on the table certainly. 1411 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:26,040 Speaker 6: Yeah. 1412 01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,559 Speaker 4: I mean, if I were Trump right now, I wouldn't 1413 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:29,439 Speaker 4: be feeling great either. 1414 01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:30,839 Speaker 6: I wouldn't be feeling. 1415 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,920 Speaker 4: Great if I hear either of these people no yet 1416 01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:34,519 Speaker 4: yet one of them probably is going to. 1417 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,040 Speaker 1: Win, And I would not be feeling great if I 1418 01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,479 Speaker 1: was an American citizen, which I am, and I am 1419 01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,559 Speaker 1: not feeling great about what twenty and twenty four is 1420 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,599 Speaker 1: going to bring because, like I said, I just I 1421 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,320 Speaker 1: can't you know, normally, like we're political nerds, I get 1422 01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,880 Speaker 1: excited for presidential years. The Iowa coccuses are what less 1423 01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:51,920 Speaker 1: than two weeks away now, which is crazy to me. 1424 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,560 Speaker 1: And it's just like I cannot envision a positive scenario 1425 01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,600 Speaker 1: unfolding that I would be happy about, or that the 1426 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,719 Speaker 1: American people should be happy about this year. 1427 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,479 Speaker 5: And you know, I don't think I'm an outlier and 1428 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:04,360 Speaker 5: feeling that way. 1429 01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,200 Speaker 6: It's pretty bad. 1430 01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,200 Speaker 1: At the same time, we had some big reveals yesterday. 1431 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:16,840 Speaker 1: This was much anticipated unsealing of court documents revealing some 1432 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,559 Speaker 1: of the depositions with regards to Jeffrey Epstein. We can 1433 01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,519 Speaker 1: go ahead and break this down. Let's put this up 1434 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,679 Speaker 1: on tho screens from CBS News. Their news article writes, 1435 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,840 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein contact names released by court. Here are key 1436 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,840 Speaker 1: takeaways from those unsealed documents, and let me just give 1437 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:35,560 Speaker 1: you a little bit of their synopsis and then we 1438 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,439 Speaker 1: can show you some of the specifics. So they say, 1439 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,559 Speaker 1: documents that include the names of more than one hundred 1440 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,160 Speaker 1: people connected to Jeffrey Epstein, including business associates and accusers, 1441 01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,160 Speaker 1: among others, were made public on Wednesday, following a federal 1442 01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,639 Speaker 1: judges December ruling that that information must be unsealed. More 1443 01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:54,599 Speaker 1: than nine hundred pages of mostly unredacted documents were released. 1444 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,800 Speaker 1: They indicate, and I think this is accurate. Much of 1445 01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,160 Speaker 1: the information has been previously reported. However, to see the 1446 01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:05,720 Speaker 1: actual specific is still quite noteworthy. And they mention, this 1447 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,439 Speaker 1: is Virginia Guffrey. This is part of her now settled 1448 01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,360 Speaker 1: defamation lawsuit. That's the context of all of this information. 1449 01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:16,000 Speaker 1: In these depositions. She had accused British socialite Gallne Maxwell 1450 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,840 Speaker 1: enabling her abuse by Epstein, and Maxwell, of course, was 1451 01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,680 Speaker 1: found guilty back in twenty twenty one. Gosh, it's been 1452 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,840 Speaker 1: that long now of enabling that abuse. And so some 1453 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,320 Speaker 1: of the names here, you're not going to be surprised. 1454 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:34,400 Speaker 1: We've got Britain's Prince Andrew, We've got Bill Clinton, Bubba. 1455 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,040 Speaker 5: We've got Donald Trump. 1456 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,840 Speaker 1: We've got Alan Dershowitz, and we can show some of 1457 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,120 Speaker 1: those details. Let's go ahead and put this first one 1458 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:48,960 Speaker 1: up on the screen. So this probably was the biggest 1459 01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,960 Speaker 1: piece that people were sharing. Let me just read this. 1460 01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,280 Speaker 1: This is again of part of a deposition. They say, 1461 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,960 Speaker 1: let me back up. Do you know Bill Clinton was 1462 01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,120 Speaker 1: a friend of Jeffrey Epstein? This person says, I knew 1463 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,120 Speaker 1: he had dealings with Bill Clinton. I did not know 1464 01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,439 Speaker 1: they were friends until I read the Vanity Fair article 1465 01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,080 Speaker 1: about them going to Africa together. Question did Jeffrey ever 1466 01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:07,759 Speaker 1: talk to you about Bill Clinton? 1467 01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,639 Speaker 5: Answer? He said one time that Clinton likes them young, 1468 01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,720 Speaker 5: referring to girls. 1469 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:18,240 Speaker 6: Ryan gross gross gross gross gross. 1470 01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,839 Speaker 4: Yes, this is the reporting, says, this is Johanna Schoeberg, 1471 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,640 Speaker 4: one of the Epstein accusers. 1472 01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,439 Speaker 6: Just I mean, not shocking, but just gross. See it 1473 01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:30,880 Speaker 6: in print. 1474 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,080 Speaker 1: Bill comes up a number of times like this wasn't 1475 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,600 Speaker 1: the only mention of him in these documents either, but 1476 01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,680 Speaker 1: this was the sort of most I guess, damning commentary 1477 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,240 Speaker 1: with regard to him that came up here. 1478 01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:46,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you also had people were noticing, for instance, 1479 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,439 Speaker 4: that like al Gore's name came up in there. But 1480 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,840 Speaker 4: then you get to the part of the document while 1481 01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,720 Speaker 4: al Gore's name is and you said, did anybody ever 1482 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,800 Speaker 4: mention al Gore? And the person says no, they mentioned 1483 01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:58,280 Speaker 4: Tipper Gore. 1484 01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:58,640 Speaker 9: No. 1485 01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,400 Speaker 4: So for some people who names are in there, are 1486 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,080 Speaker 4: in there because the lawyer just asked about them, right, 1487 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:05,639 Speaker 4: And in. 1488 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,960 Speaker 1: Some ways there's sort of like exonerated by the commentary. 1489 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,559 Speaker 1: But then does the fact that you came up in 1490 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,400 Speaker 1: Epstein Docks as I'm sure not again. 1491 01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,360 Speaker 4: Cors got his own situation with that massage thing if 1492 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:15,080 Speaker 4: you remember from. 1493 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,439 Speaker 5: Many v vaguely remember that one. 1494 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,760 Speaker 1: What we have next, I believe is Prince Andrew. Jane 1495 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,160 Speaker 1: Doe number three was forced allegedly to have sexual relationships 1496 01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,599 Speaker 1: with this prince when she was a minor in three 1497 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:31,160 Speaker 1: separate geographical locations, London, at Glene Maxwell's apartment, New York, 1498 01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,439 Speaker 1: and on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands. 1499 01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,840 Speaker 1: In an orgy with numerous other underage girls. Evestein instructed 1500 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Jane Doe number three that she was to give the 1501 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,280 Speaker 1: Prince whatever he demanded and required Jane Doe number three 1502 01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,080 Speaker 1: to report back to him on the details of that 1503 01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:47,080 Speaker 1: sexual abuse. 1504 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:48,240 Speaker 5: Maxwell facilitated. 1505 01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,880 Speaker 1: They say, Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse by acting 1506 01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:55,840 Speaker 1: as Madam for Epstein, thereby assisting in internationally trafficking Jane 1507 01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,920 Speaker 1: Doe number three and numerous other girls. These are the allegations. 1508 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:00,760 Speaker 1: Another person that come up here. I don't know if 1509 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,000 Speaker 1: you guys remember this disgusting character Jean Luke Brunell, who 1510 01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:08,200 Speaker 1: was like the modeling what was a French modeling agent 1511 01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,719 Speaker 1: that was implicated in a lot of this as well. 1512 01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,439 Speaker 4: And years ago I did reporting on Prince Andrew through 1513 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:20,600 Speaker 4: through the financial lens because he got himself involved in 1514 01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,000 Speaker 4: all sorts of kind of shady financial dealings. 1515 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,559 Speaker 6: What he would do is he would basically lend the. 1516 01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:30,680 Speaker 4: Credibility of the Crown to like corrupt banking operations, all 1517 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:31,559 Speaker 4: sorts of other things. 1518 01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,400 Speaker 5: I didn't know that piece, So he was a shady 1519 01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:34,639 Speaker 5: character in all fronts. 1520 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, And while I was doing that reporting, people would 1521 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,559 Speaker 4: just refer to him by his known nickname at the time, 1522 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:41,719 Speaker 4: which was a Randy Andy. 1523 01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,440 Speaker 6: So when this news broke. 1524 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,280 Speaker 4: And we've obviously known about this for years at this point, like, oh, 1525 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:53,880 Speaker 4: Randy Andy, okay, not exactly the most shocking revelation to 1526 01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,000 Speaker 4: people who have known him for so long and the. 1527 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:03,479 Speaker 6: French like acting the French guy modeling, Yeah, just. 1528 01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,040 Speaker 4: Like like a comic book villain. 1529 01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,200 Speaker 6: When it comes to sexual abuse. 1530 01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,800 Speaker 1: Well, in the modeling connections with Epstein was reportedly how 1531 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,479 Speaker 1: he was able to, you know, convince these young girls 1532 01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,479 Speaker 1: to be associated, Oh, I can make you a star 1533 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,400 Speaker 1: basically type of crap, and held himself out that way 1534 01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:26,639 Speaker 1: with a Victoria's Secret in ways that the company, Lex 1535 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,599 Speaker 1: Wexner was the owner and he was an apparently big 1536 01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,280 Speaker 1: benefactor of Epstein and helped to facilitate his you know. 1537 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:34,760 Speaker 5: Lavish lifestyle. 1538 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:39,160 Speaker 1: And other underlings at victoria Secret were complaining about Epstein 1539 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,479 Speaker 1: holding himself out as this modeling agent and trying to 1540 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:43,760 Speaker 1: persuade young girls. 1541 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,559 Speaker 4: The difference between what happened to these young girls and 1542 01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,040 Speaker 4: what happens to so many young girls trying to get 1543 01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:56,280 Speaker 4: into modeling is minuscule. Like so when he and he 1544 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,040 Speaker 4: actually had the imperimitor of Victoria's Secret and a private 1545 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:03,599 Speaker 4: plane and access to the people like Bill Clinton and 1546 01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:04,360 Speaker 4: Prince Andrew. 1547 01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:09,240 Speaker 6: So like, you know, I think every. 1548 01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:12,360 Speaker 4: Young girl who gets into modeling is nervous about because 1549 01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,960 Speaker 4: they've all heard the stories about what's going to happen. Yeah, 1550 01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,439 Speaker 4: then you see a private plane and you see former 1551 01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:22,120 Speaker 4: presidents and prime ministers involved at the time, Now that 1552 01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:23,519 Speaker 4: might be a red flag at the time. 1553 01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:24,760 Speaker 6: That puts you a little bit at ease. 1554 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, well these prominent people, certainly people in the world. 1555 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:35,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, now because of the Epstein releases and revelations, you 1556 01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,040 Speaker 4: might have be like, oh, the most powerful people in 1557 01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:38,960 Speaker 4: the world involved with this. 1558 01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,240 Speaker 6: Maybe maybe it's actually pretty dangerous. 1559 01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,639 Speaker 5: Yes. So Trump did come up a couple of times. 1560 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:45,639 Speaker 5: We have both of those. 1561 01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,680 Speaker 1: He was a sort of like side character in some 1562 01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,040 Speaker 1: of these interactions. Was put this next week one up 1563 01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:57,439 Speaker 1: on the screen. So, oh, this is Alan Dershowitz. Actually sorry, 1564 01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,760 Speaker 1: we'll get to Trump in just a minute. So Dershowitz 1565 01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:05,599 Speaker 1: has long been accused of various horrific things with regard 1566 01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:06,200 Speaker 1: to Epstein. 1567 01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:07,920 Speaker 5: They say here that he. 1568 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,519 Speaker 1: Forced Jane Doe number three to have sexual relations with 1569 01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,599 Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz, close friend of Epstein's well known criminal defense attorney. 1570 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,360 Speaker 1: By the way, Dershowitz helped Epstein get that a sweetheart 1571 01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,960 Speaker 1: deal that enabled him to get off basically scott free 1572 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:29,519 Speaker 1: previous sex crimes conviction. Epstein required Jane Doe number three 1573 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,599 Speaker 1: to have sexual relations with Dershowitz on numerous occasions while 1574 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,479 Speaker 1: she was a minor, not only in Florida, but also 1575 01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,000 Speaker 1: on private planes in New York, New Mexico and the 1576 01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:43,880 Speaker 1: US Virgin Islands. And Ryan, we actually have a perfect 1577 01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:49,800 Speaker 1: response from Alan Dershowitz in the wake of these new revelations. Guys, 1578 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,360 Speaker 1: if we can play the response from Dershowitz so people 1579 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:54,679 Speaker 1: can hear his side of the story. 1580 01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,600 Speaker 12: The one point I do want to make is that 1581 01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,720 Speaker 12: I understand all the feminist groups and the radicals who 1582 01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,720 Speaker 12: think this is the worst thing in the world that 1583 01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,200 Speaker 12: anybody ever had any contact with Jeffrey Epstein. Where are 1584 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,120 Speaker 12: all those radical feminists when it comes to the Hamask 1585 01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:15,760 Speaker 12: rapes of young Jewish girls, sexual abuse and headings? They 1586 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,880 Speaker 12: are quiet, They are silent, the incredible hypocrisy of the 1587 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,840 Speaker 12: me too movement Me too, except if you're a Jew. 1588 01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,360 Speaker 12: And I want to have a list of all the 1589 01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,639 Speaker 12: radical feminists who are pushing hard and I understand that 1590 01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,200 Speaker 12: to get all these names revealed, and I want to 1591 01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,919 Speaker 12: know how many of them have ever actually condemned Hamas 1592 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,200 Speaker 12: for the rapes that we now know occurred and the 1593 01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,720 Speaker 12: murders that occurred, how many have been silent, and how many, 1594 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,560 Speaker 12: like the National Lawyer's Guild, have actually approved of what Hamas. 1595 01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,160 Speaker 1: Did, so making it somehow about Israel, which is kind 1596 01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,439 Speaker 1: of perfect and also ryan the idea that it was 1597 01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:57,360 Speaker 1: just quote unquote radical feminists who were interested in, you know, 1598 01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,960 Speaker 1: exposing the truth of who has been a so. 1599 01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,600 Speaker 5: No jeff Sex ring, but so preposterous. 1600 01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this is in a lot of ways, it 1601 01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,360 Speaker 1: codes almost like right wing interest in Epstein, even though 1602 01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,519 Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's just like a general public disgust 1603 01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,240 Speaker 1: and horror at what was unfolding among so many of 1604 01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,920 Speaker 1: our nations and our global elites. But to try to 1605 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,559 Speaker 1: pin this like this was some secret feminist cabal that 1606 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,639 Speaker 1: was pushing for the exposure here, and that the same 1607 01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,280 Speaker 1: feminist cabal who won't condemn Hamas is I don't know. 1608 01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,080 Speaker 1: It's just absurdities on absurdities. 1609 01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,200 Speaker 4: And how little respect and how much contempt do you 1610 01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:36,839 Speaker 4: have to have for the victims of October seventh to 1611 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,040 Speaker 4: drag them into your Jeffrey Epstein scandal? 1612 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,839 Speaker 6: So true? Like what could be more. 1613 01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:48,599 Speaker 4: Denigrating to their memory than that stand on your own 1614 01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:52,360 Speaker 4: two feet and defend your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Do 1615 01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,920 Speaker 4: not bring in the memories of the people who were 1616 01:22:55,280 --> 01:23:00,320 Speaker 4: killed on that day to try to distract from this it. 1617 01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,160 Speaker 4: It's one of the most offensive things I think I've 1618 01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:02,719 Speaker 4: ever seen. 1619 01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,759 Speaker 1: Well, and we would be remiss if we didn't remark 1620 01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:11,560 Speaker 1: that many people believe that Epstein why he so aggressively 1621 01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:15,160 Speaker 1: cultivated all these relationships with rich and powerful people was 1622 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:19,519 Speaker 1: because he was a foreign agent, and specifically, the theory, 1623 01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,160 Speaker 1: unconfirmed is that he may have had Masad connections. 1624 01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:24,599 Speaker 6: There's a lot of reporting to that effect. 1625 01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:30,960 Speaker 1: There's purely conjecture, right, And so you know the fact 1626 01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,280 Speaker 1: that you've got Alan Dershowitz, who is one of the 1627 01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:37,240 Speaker 1: most vociferous defenders of Israel, who's being floated as representing 1628 01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:41,120 Speaker 1: them at the ICJ, who also has this Epstein link. 1629 01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,120 Speaker 5: Many people are taking note of these things. 1630 01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:47,080 Speaker 4: Ryan and Giuffrey and Dershowitz reached a settlement in which 1631 01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:51,040 Speaker 4: she dropped her at allegation, this allegation where she said 1632 01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,760 Speaker 4: that it was a case of mistake and identity, and 1633 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,320 Speaker 4: he also dropped his counter defamation claim against her, so 1634 01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,760 Speaker 4: that that appears to be the root of what. 1635 01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:08,360 Speaker 6: Rose here. But yeah, I yes, I think you're right. 1636 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,759 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, let's I think we next have Trump 1637 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,200 Speaker 1: with the long teased Trump piece of this. So there 1638 01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:18,160 Speaker 1: was apparently a trip that went sort of AWRYE. They asked, 1639 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,760 Speaker 1: did you see her in the plane on the trip 1640 01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,640 Speaker 1: to New York engage in any kind of affection or 1641 01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,000 Speaker 1: sexual contact with Jeffrey? 1642 01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:24,799 Speaker 5: No, with Glene. 1643 01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:24,920 Speaker 13: No. 1644 01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:26,600 Speaker 1: Howd it come to be that you were in a 1645 01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,080 Speaker 1: casino in Atlantic City? 1646 01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:29,920 Speaker 5: Well, we were flying. 1647 01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,880 Speaker 1: Jeffrey said, why don't you go sit in the cockpit 1648 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,920 Speaker 1: to check out the landing. So we were sitting there 1649 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,599 Speaker 1: and the pilots told me to go back and tell 1650 01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,479 Speaker 1: him we can't land in New York and that we're 1651 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,679 Speaker 1: going to have to land in Atlantic City. Jeffrey said, great, 1652 01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,040 Speaker 1: we'll call up Trump and we'll go to I don't 1653 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:45,760 Speaker 1: recall the name of the casino, but we'll go to 1654 01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,519 Speaker 1: the casino. And then they go on to talk about 1655 01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:49,160 Speaker 1: some sort. 1656 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:49,960 Speaker 5: Of id issue. 1657 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,760 Speaker 1: But that's basically like the Trump's name coming up here 1658 01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,160 Speaker 1: of Jeffrey saying, like, my good friend Trump will go 1659 01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,720 Speaker 1: to his casino. And in another instance, they asked, did 1660 01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,920 Speaker 1: you ever see Donald Trump at Jeffrey's home? And this 1661 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,559 Speaker 1: person says, not that I can remember on his island. No, 1662 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,640 Speaker 1: not that I can remember in New Mexico. No, not 1663 01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,519 Speaker 1: that I can remember in New York. Not that I 1664 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,960 Speaker 1: can remember all right, And so you know, in this instance, 1665 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,840 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is sort of not connected at all in 1666 01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:17,959 Speaker 1: this person's recollection. 1667 01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,280 Speaker 4: And the ID issue is an indication of how young 1668 01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,439 Speaker 4: this girl was. The idea question was, well, she's not 1669 01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:26,880 Speaker 4: old enough to be in a casino, what are we 1670 01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:27,320 Speaker 4: going to do? 1671 01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,719 Speaker 6: And they eventually accorded that deposition. 1672 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,559 Speaker 4: She were not able to gamble, but they still brought 1673 01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:34,639 Speaker 4: her along on this on this trip. 1674 01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:35,120 Speaker 6: Now. 1675 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:39,040 Speaker 4: Trump back in two thousand and two gave a statement 1676 01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,080 Speaker 4: in New York magazine for a profile that they were 1677 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,759 Speaker 4: doing of Epstein, which was supposed to be an expose 1678 01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,880 Speaker 4: but didn't fully come together as an expose of what 1679 01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:52,200 Speaker 4: he was doing. He wrote, and you can hear Trump 1680 01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,320 Speaker 4: kind of dictating this statement to it. He said, I've 1681 01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:59,120 Speaker 4: known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot 1682 01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,479 Speaker 4: of fun to be with. It is even said that 1683 01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,400 Speaker 4: he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and 1684 01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,640 Speaker 4: many of them are on the younger side. 1685 01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,240 Speaker 6: No doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys his social life. 1686 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:14,120 Speaker 4: Now there's also reporting to give Trump some credit here, 1687 01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,720 Speaker 4: maybe more than he deserves, because reasons we'll go into 1688 01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:21,960 Speaker 4: in a second. That after Epstein during the Bush administration, 1689 01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:27,040 Speaker 4: was convicted of I forget the exact charge, but it 1690 01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:31,120 Speaker 4: was some type of like sexual assault ish. It was 1691 01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,280 Speaker 4: knocked down to a very you know, low degree, but 1692 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,439 Speaker 4: it was still a sex crime. He was banned from 1693 01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:41,400 Speaker 4: mar Lago and according to reporting that has come out, 1694 01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,599 Speaker 4: like he was he did not associate with Trump kind 1695 01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,200 Speaker 4: of after that, because that's an interesting break in the 1696 01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:52,080 Speaker 4: Epstein saga. Right after he is a sex criminal, like 1697 01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:55,519 Speaker 4: a public sex criminal. Tons of this stuff happened after 1698 01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,840 Speaker 4: that with these famous people. That's right where everybody kind 1699 01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,640 Speaker 4: of would have known that this had happened. Now, the 1700 01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,559 Speaker 4: reason I say we're giving to Trump too much credit, uh, 1701 01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:06,680 Speaker 4: it was it was a Bush administrator. It was a 1702 01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:11,880 Speaker 4: cost of a Bush administration assistant attorney US attorney who 1703 01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:16,639 Speaker 4: cut the sweetheart deal with Jeffrey Epstein back back then. 1704 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,040 Speaker 4: He then became Trump's labor secretary, right and then also 1705 01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,320 Speaker 4: Epstein died in prison under Trump's watch. 1706 01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:25,519 Speaker 6: Well, let's not forget that either. 1707 01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,240 Speaker 5: Worth noting as well, go and died. 1708 01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,479 Speaker 1: Glainne Maxwell, responding to some of the latest information coming out. 1709 01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:33,479 Speaker 3: This is just too perfect. 1710 01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,719 Speaker 5: Put this up on the screen. She's breaking her silence. 1711 01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:39,639 Speaker 1: Smayan an attorney saying playing the woman card here, saying 1712 01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,360 Speaker 1: it's all about men abusing women for a long period 1713 01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,799 Speaker 1: of time, and it's only one person in jail, a woman. 1714 01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,920 Speaker 5: Of course, you know Epstein was in jail, but he died. 1715 01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:55,400 Speaker 1: Died, suddenly, died, suddenly vexed question mark. But to play 1716 01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:59,280 Speaker 1: the woman card here is utterly preposterous, like the fact 1717 01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,200 Speaker 1: that there has no been full accountability for all the 1718 01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:05,559 Speaker 1: people that clearly there should be full accountability. Is not 1719 01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,720 Speaker 1: to say like you should also get out for you know, 1720 01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,880 Speaker 1: you should also face the same lack of accountability, or 1721 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,360 Speaker 1: to pretend like you weren't integral to these schemes and 1722 01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,960 Speaker 1: there's not a very good reason that you were serving 1723 01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:17,360 Speaker 1: prison time. 1724 01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,240 Speaker 4: I think she's I think she's right in the sense 1725 01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,320 Speaker 4: that there should be lots of men who are also 1726 01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,559 Speaker 4: in jail, correct, although she could have done more to 1727 01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,519 Speaker 4: facilitate that by testifying against a lot of these men. 1728 01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:31,719 Speaker 6: And that is true going public. Look, Glaine that's great. 1729 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,080 Speaker 4: You want more more of these men in jail, like, 1730 01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,479 Speaker 4: start talking, start talking, send us, send us a letter, 1731 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:38,960 Speaker 4: We'll read it here. 1732 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,280 Speaker 6: We'll get these get these prosecutions going. 1733 01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, she saw what happened to Jeffrey 1734 01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:48,120 Speaker 4: Epstein and he died suddenly, and so you can imagine why, 1735 01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,360 Speaker 4: you know, she might be reluctant to take that path. 1736 01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,320 Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, let's move on to one story. And 1737 01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,519 Speaker 1: I want to lose sight of because it's been a 1738 01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,840 Speaker 1: lot of importance to many of you out there, which 1739 01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:59,160 Speaker 1: is the state of the housing market. 1740 01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:00,320 Speaker 5: And Wall Street apparently. 1741 01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,320 Speaker 1: Has a new scheme to further their plans to become 1742 01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:05,840 Speaker 1: America's landlord. Put this up on the screen, reporting from 1743 01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:06,759 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal. 1744 01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,880 Speaker 5: Welcome to the neighborhood. Wall Street designed it big. 1745 01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,400 Speaker 1: Residential property investors are finding it harder to buy in 1746 01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,719 Speaker 1: good neighborhoods, so they are building new ones. 1747 01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,120 Speaker 5: They open this piece. I think is very interesting. 1748 01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,840 Speaker 1: Your new suburban rental has credit kitchen countertops built to 1749 01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:23,360 Speaker 1: withstand even the most hardwaring tenant. The neighbors next door 1750 01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:26,360 Speaker 1: have the exact same laundry machine. Welcome to the community, 1751 01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,000 Speaker 1: where every detail has been designed to keep costs down 1752 01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:30,400 Speaker 1: for the Wall Street landlord. 1753 01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,120 Speaker 5: They indicate big investors. 1754 01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,400 Speaker 1: Are bullish about America's family homes, so bullish they are 1755 01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,080 Speaker 1: willing to buy and build entire new neighborhoods. They were 1756 01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,960 Speaker 1: also willing to buy them, but they've found that harder 1757 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,559 Speaker 1: to do, so now they're just building them out. As 1758 01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,879 Speaker 1: it becomes more difficult to purchase houses for the usual channels, 1759 01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,680 Speaker 1: interest rates are at multi year highs, fewer homes are 1760 01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:52,799 Speaker 1: for sale. Homes are also iwateringly expensive in October, prices 1761 01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:57,920 Speaker 1: hit a fresh record in October. Increasingly, Wall Street solution 1762 01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,519 Speaker 1: is to build new neighborhoods of family homes wherever nobody rents. 1763 01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:01,760 Speaker 5: The model is not completely new. 1764 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,759 Speaker 1: Clustered housing for students and senior citizens has been around, 1765 01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,080 Speaker 1: but they say the number of build to rent communities 1766 01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,360 Speaker 1: is still small, with nine hundred neighborhoods nationwide, each with 1767 01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,080 Speaker 1: an average of one hundred and thirty five to one 1768 01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,120 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty homes according to report by the Urban Institute, 1769 01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,519 Speaker 1: but the concept is growing fast. The National Association of 1770 01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:23,280 Speaker 1: Homebuilders estimates that roughly ten percent of new housing construction 1771 01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:27,040 Speaker 1: is destined for build to rent. So on the one hand, 1772 01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:32,240 Speaker 1: ran I suppose it's good that they're moving their gaze 1773 01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:36,920 Speaker 1: from buying up existing neighborhoods and snatching up the very 1774 01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:40,480 Speaker 1: limited inventory of single family homes that are even available 1775 01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,960 Speaker 1: right now. On the other hand, of course, it's very 1776 01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:49,120 Speaker 1: unsettling to imagine these you know, gigantic companies and permanent 1777 01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:53,880 Speaker 1: capital as your perma landlord. And you know, it's just 1778 01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,640 Speaker 1: another indication of the sort of fraying and decaying of 1779 01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,800 Speaker 1: the American dream of owning your own house, which is 1780 01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:02,720 Speaker 1: the way that most Americans are able to achieve some 1781 01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:04,719 Speaker 1: level of stability and. 1782 01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:08,360 Speaker 5: Basic, basic level of wealth so that they. 1783 01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:13,200 Speaker 1: Can, you know, have a traditional, idealized American middle class life. 1784 01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:16,160 Speaker 4: And we've got to do something about Wall Street buying 1785 01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,839 Speaker 4: up all these homes like you can this the fabric 1786 01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:23,439 Speaker 4: of this society is stitched together by the threat of 1787 01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:27,080 Speaker 4: the American dream. And you're and you and the American 1788 01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:31,000 Speaker 4: dream is often as much a dream as it is 1789 01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:31,680 Speaker 4: a reality. 1790 01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:33,519 Speaker 6: But the dream has to be there. 1791 01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,719 Speaker 4: And what Wall Street is doing, even if they're even 1792 01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,680 Speaker 4: if it's exaggerated somewhat, the extent to which they have 1793 01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:47,240 Speaker 4: bought up the properties at this point, it undermines people's 1794 01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:51,280 Speaker 4: faith in the future. And so it's a political issue 1795 01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:54,840 Speaker 4: just waiting to be grabbed by somebody, and you've I 1796 01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:56,640 Speaker 4: think you just have to get them out of this 1797 01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,559 Speaker 4: buying up residential homes business, like you just have to 1798 01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,559 Speaker 4: ban it, or if you don't ban it, just make 1799 01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,160 Speaker 4: it extremely difficult for them. So if they do it, 1800 01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:10,400 Speaker 4: if you own more than two or one residential homes, 1801 01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,280 Speaker 4: then these are the tax implications for that to make it, 1802 01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:17,200 Speaker 4: to make them compete against homeowners in a way that 1803 01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:20,360 Speaker 4: is that where actual human beings can out compete them, 1804 01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:23,559 Speaker 4: because right now it's the opposite. Like right now, because 1805 01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,080 Speaker 4: they run it as a business, they can write off 1806 01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,920 Speaker 4: all sorts of things, and they have better access to 1807 01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:32,320 Speaker 4: capital than a human being, and so the human being 1808 01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:37,240 Speaker 4: is not just poorer, but also is tax disadvantage in 1809 01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,080 Speaker 4: the competition for buying for buying homes. 1810 01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:40,720 Speaker 6: You've got to flip that. 1811 01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,719 Speaker 4: You've got to make human beings tax advantaged against these 1812 01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,760 Speaker 4: corporations and Wall Street that are trying to buy it up. Now, 1813 01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,479 Speaker 4: more housing is a good thing, So maybe the deal 1814 01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,680 Speaker 4: that you offer them is all right, we're kicking you 1815 01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,920 Speaker 4: out of this scheme where you try to buy up 1816 01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,040 Speaker 4: all of this housing if you want to go out 1817 01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:02,080 Speaker 4: and build a bunch of homes and rent them, Okay, fine, 1818 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,720 Speaker 4: like that, Like if if the deal is then you're 1819 01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,479 Speaker 4: then you're kicked out of destroying the American dream. 1820 01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:08,920 Speaker 8: Yeah. 1821 01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:12,519 Speaker 4: It was like, like, is it ideal that Wall Street 1822 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:16,479 Speaker 4: is your your landlord because they've built some tracked homes somewhere. No, 1823 01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:18,760 Speaker 4: it's not ideal, right, but it's not the worst either, 1824 01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,759 Speaker 4: because at least they're building. At least homes are being built, 1825 01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:23,519 Speaker 4: and that is a huge problem that we just don't 1826 01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:24,240 Speaker 4: have enough. 1827 01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,920 Speaker 1: House massive problem. One thing that we've seen is we 1828 01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,960 Speaker 1: covered this a while back. You know, when you have 1829 01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,640 Speaker 1: these large scale landlords where it's not like mom and 1830 01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:36,000 Speaker 1: pop landlords are the. 1831 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:37,759 Speaker 5: Most sympathetic of characters either. 1832 01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,240 Speaker 1: Let's be clear, the landlord is just in general not 1833 01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:45,120 Speaker 1: the most sympathetic of figures. But when you have these big, national, 1834 01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:51,080 Speaker 1: massive companies buying up and renting out huge proportions and 1835 01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:54,679 Speaker 1: taking over the rental market in various locations, they use 1836 01:33:55,320 --> 01:34:01,719 Speaker 1: oftentimes algorithms that they have developed to absolute maximize their profit, 1837 01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:03,160 Speaker 1: which of course they're going to do. 1838 01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:04,920 Speaker 5: That's what they're in the game to do. 1839 01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,360 Speaker 1: But oftentimes what they've discovered is it actually makes them 1840 01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,519 Speaker 1: more money to price people out of the market and 1841 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,800 Speaker 1: charge the absolute max, even if it means some of 1842 01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:20,160 Speaker 1: your stock is sitting empty. It actually works out for 1843 01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,439 Speaker 1: them in the long term to charge those really higher 1844 01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:26,559 Speaker 1: prices than the market will actually bear. The other thing 1845 01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,960 Speaker 1: that you find is, oh, it turns out they're not 1846 01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,920 Speaker 1: great landlords because they cut costs in every way that 1847 01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,120 Speaker 1: they possibly can. So there's all these documented instances of 1848 01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,479 Speaker 1: tenants having serious issue we're talking like black mold and 1849 01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,840 Speaker 1: pipes exploding, whatever, and they do everything they possibly can 1850 01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:47,240 Speaker 1: to avoid having to pay for those repairs, to avoid 1851 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,000 Speaker 1: having to do those repairs whatsoever. And this is the 1852 01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,599 Speaker 1: story of a modern economy in a lot of senses. 1853 01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,000 Speaker 1: Like the more that things become nationalized and go away 1854 01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,840 Speaker 1: from the local person that you have to look at 1855 01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,639 Speaker 1: at your kids back to school night, or the grocery 1856 01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:07,280 Speaker 1: store or run into in downtown or whatever, the easier 1857 01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:09,639 Speaker 1: it is to make those sort of decisions and feel 1858 01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,200 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing about it. 1859 01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the risk is that will go to long 1860 01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:17,320 Speaker 4: let them buy up too much market share that then 1861 01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:19,920 Speaker 4: they're too big to fail and when politicians finally are 1862 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,439 Speaker 4: pressured by people to do something about it, now it's 1863 01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:24,680 Speaker 4: so built, it's so locked in. 1864 01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:25,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1865 01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:28,920 Speaker 1: Well, you know, to the Democratic Party's credit, they have 1866 01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,320 Speaker 1: several proposals of actual legislation that is meant to curb 1867 01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:36,200 Speaker 1: the practices of Wall Street coming in and buying up 1868 01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:37,360 Speaker 1: single family homes. 1869 01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,040 Speaker 5: Some of this, you know, is quite significant. 1870 01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm blinking on all of this relevant details right at 1871 01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:44,439 Speaker 1: the moment, but it was, you know, it was pretty 1872 01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,519 Speaker 1: significant in terms of curbing the practice. So again to 1873 01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,240 Speaker 1: the earlier discussion, like if Joe Biden wanted to actually 1874 01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:50,639 Speaker 1: run on. 1875 01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,240 Speaker 5: Something, this would be a good issue. 1876 01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,600 Speaker 1: Then it would put a lot of pressure on Republicans 1877 01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:58,000 Speaker 1: because they talk a big game about, you know, your 1878 01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:01,400 Speaker 1: homeowners in the housing market in you know, being more populous. 1879 01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,280 Speaker 1: But when I came down to it, like they're very 1880 01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:04,519 Speaker 1: much in bed with the developers. 1881 01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,480 Speaker 5: Donald Trump is a developer. 1882 01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:10,800 Speaker 1: So for him to you know, side against like these 1883 01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,479 Speaker 1: big Wall Street firms that he is buddies with, it 1884 01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,280 Speaker 1: would be I think it would be very difficult and 1885 01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:18,360 Speaker 1: put him in a tough space. And it's obviously an 1886 01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:22,839 Speaker 1: issue that people care a lot about. 1887 01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:23,759 Speaker 6: Well, What are you looking at today, Crystal. 1888 01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:27,360 Speaker 5: This is the reality of life today in Gaza. 1889 01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:31,280 Speaker 14: Such as the desperation in Gaza. We captured the moment 1890 01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:35,400 Speaker 14: an AID truck of mattresses was mobbed not far from 1891 01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:41,760 Speaker 14: the crossing where it entered fire from Hamas runs security 1892 01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:45,479 Speaker 14: guards frightened the crowd and not for the first time. 1893 01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,960 Speaker 14: There is little law and order. Some people have been 1894 01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:52,000 Speaker 14: injured and killed just trying to get the basics. 1895 01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,200 Speaker 4: We'll take you today, just for a short tour here. 1896 01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:59,840 Speaker 14: There's barely anything in the markets, virtually no commercial goods 1897 01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,720 Speaker 14: getting into the strip. About five hundred trucks a day 1898 01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,519 Speaker 14: used to enter to meet the needs of its people, 1899 01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:10,479 Speaker 14: their needs and now barely met with only around one 1900 01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:14,960 Speaker 14: hundred trucks a day. Rah, we are dying of hunger, 1901 01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:16,040 Speaker 14: poverty and everything. 1902 01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:18,040 Speaker 6: There's no shampoo to wash their hair. 1903 01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:19,760 Speaker 5: Look at what's happening to them. 1904 01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,000 Speaker 3: They have infections because of dirt and filth. 1905 01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:26,120 Speaker 1: Scenes of horror as humans are reduced to absolute desperation 1906 01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:29,519 Speaker 1: and children go hungry. Yet to Kanesset member and Likud 1907 01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:33,000 Speaker 1: party member Tally Gottlieb, this is right, this is good, 1908 01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,200 Speaker 1: It's exactly as it should be. In an impassioned speech, 1909 01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:40,280 Speaker 1: she explained per Google Translate. Without hunger and thirst among 1910 01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,640 Speaker 1: the gas and population, we will not be able to 1911 01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,960 Speaker 1: recruit collaborators, We will not be able to recruit intelligence. 1912 01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,360 Speaker 1: We will not be able to bribe people with food, drink, 1913 01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:52,200 Speaker 1: medicine in order to obtain intelligence. And we know that 1914 01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:55,599 Speaker 1: finding the abductees is a supreme and super important goal 1915 01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:59,680 Speaker 1: alongside the goals of fighting. Now, to be clear, this 1916 01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,600 Speaker 1: is a member of the ruling party actively celebrating and 1917 01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:10,640 Speaker 1: demanding starvation, dehydration and medical collapse, demanding it continue indefinitely. Obviously, 1918 01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:15,640 Speaker 1: this is heinously immoral. Starving millions of civilians, half of 1919 01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:19,479 Speaker 1: whom our children, as a war tactic is a horror 1920 01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,200 Speaker 1: and a very clear warcrime. It is unspeakably awful to 1921 01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:26,120 Speaker 1: imagine what these kids and parents are going through right now. 1922 01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:29,320 Speaker 1: I personally can't imagine the pain of a single day 1923 01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:31,760 Speaker 1: where I could not feed my kids. And this has 1924 01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,000 Speaker 1: been the daily help for the two point two million 1925 01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,960 Speaker 1: residents of Gaza for months now. 1926 01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:37,919 Speaker 5: But it isn't. 1927 01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:41,240 Speaker 1: Only immoral, it also fails as a war tactic. Even 1928 01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,320 Speaker 1: if you don't care about wasted kids, babies, two week 1929 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,960 Speaker 1: to nurse mom's to malnourished to produce milk. There's a reason, 1930 01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,640 Speaker 1: after all, that Israel has failed to rescue a single hostage. 1931 01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:55,240 Speaker 1: Even if they were actually serious about cultivating collaborators in 1932 01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:57,960 Speaker 1: their hunt for Hamas, they would surge aid to the 1933 01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:01,599 Speaker 1: civilian population, create a rift which we Hamas and those civilians, 1934 01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,519 Speaker 1: by offering a path to peace outside of armed resistance, 1935 01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:06,160 Speaker 1: give them something to. 1936 01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:07,520 Speaker 5: Gain by cooperating. 1937 01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,320 Speaker 1: Just as in German bombings of Britain and Allied bombings 1938 01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,840 Speaker 1: of Germany, it turns out terrorizing a civilian population does 1939 01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:17,920 Speaker 1: not win support for those who are inflicting that catastrophic pain. 1940 01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:21,120 Speaker 1: Of course, hunting Hamas is not actually the primary goal 1941 01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:23,600 Speaker 1: of Israel's assault on Gaza. Bibie and his ILK have 1942 01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:26,320 Speaker 1: always found Hamas to be a useful foil and supported 1943 01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,920 Speaker 1: them for exactly this reason. October seventh did not change 1944 01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:34,160 Speaker 1: this fundamental dynamic. The real goal is retribution, to slack 1945 01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:37,639 Speaker 1: the appetite for destruction, for bib to try to cling 1946 01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:40,679 Speaker 1: to power, and ultimately to destroy Gaza so that Israel 1947 01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:44,559 Speaker 1: might succeed in convincing its US benefactors that completing their 1948 01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:48,360 Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing by pushing Palestinians into the Sinai desert or elsewhere, 1949 01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:54,280 Speaker 1: is actually a humanitarian option, since their homes, schools, mosques, hospitals, 1950 01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:57,879 Speaker 1: and markets have all been destroyed. In this light, imposing 1951 01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:01,120 Speaker 1: mass starvation on the population makes plenty of sense. Hold 1952 01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:04,839 Speaker 1: them hostage, denying them the basics of life's life unless 1953 01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:08,879 Speaker 1: they agree to quote voluntary migration. Of course, no migration 1954 01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,720 Speaker 1: is actually voluntary when you were forced to it by 1955 01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,080 Speaker 1: having your house bond and your children starved. Now, at 1956 01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,559 Speaker 1: the beginning of their assault on Gaza, Israel announced they 1957 01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:21,080 Speaker 1: would be imposing a medieval style siege on the whole area. 1958 01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:24,960 Speaker 1: Defense Minister Yoav Galant famously now infamously, I should say, 1959 01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,240 Speaker 1: announced I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. 1960 01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:31,080 Speaker 1: There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel. Everything 1961 01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:34,640 Speaker 1: is closed. Adding we are fighting human animals and we 1962 01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:37,680 Speaker 1: are acting accordingly, just in case the genocidal intent was 1963 01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:41,120 Speaker 1: not clear from the actions. Israel, with help from Egypt, 1964 01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:43,240 Speaker 1: has long controlled what goes in and what comes out 1965 01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,320 Speaker 1: of the Gaza Strip and used caloric rationing in other words, 1966 01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,559 Speaker 1: hunger as a method of control. But what is unfolded 1967 01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,799 Speaker 1: over the past several months has been something else entirely. 1968 01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:57,040 Speaker 1: A new YUN report spells out the incredibly dire situation. 1969 01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:03,479 Speaker 1: Half of Gaza's population is now starfing. Ninety percent report 1970 01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:07,040 Speaker 1: they regularly go without eating a single meal in a day. 1971 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:11,000 Speaker 1: They write that quote, Gaza risk falling into famine unless 1972 01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,360 Speaker 1: access to adequate food, clean water, health, and sanitation services 1973 01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:17,960 Speaker 1: is urgently restored. The entire population, about two point two 1974 01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:22,640 Speaker 1: million people, is suffering crisis or worse levels of food insecurity. 1975 01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:26,400 Speaker 1: Food is not readily available. Any food that can be 1976 01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:30,680 Speaker 1: found for sale is outrageously priced and completely unaffordable for 1977 01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:33,320 Speaker 1: nearly all. Going out to search for food means risking 1978 01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,719 Speaker 1: your life. Only one out of twenty five World Food 1979 01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:39,599 Speaker 1: Program contract a Baker's remains in operation. Israel has raised 1980 01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:42,719 Speaker 1: farmland and destroyed orchards, meaning that even without the threat 1981 01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,599 Speaker 1: of bombings, the strip has no ability to generate its 1982 01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:49,599 Speaker 1: own food. Aid workers have been targeted in Israeli attacks. 1983 01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:52,400 Speaker 1: More had been killed in this war than in any 1984 01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:56,360 Speaker 1: other war in the history of the UN. Isaac Chotner 1985 01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,439 Speaker 1: actually just interviewed r. Of Hussein, he's chief economist of 1986 01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:02,000 Speaker 1: the UN's World Food Program, and he put the crisis 1987 01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,840 Speaker 1: in blunt terms. Quote, I have been doing this for 1988 01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,800 Speaker 1: the past two decades. I've been to all kinds of conflicts, 1989 01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:12,680 Speaker 1: all kinds of crises, and for me, this is unprecedented 1990 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:16,720 Speaker 1: because of one, the magnitude the scale the entire population 1991 01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:20,519 Speaker 1: of a particular place, second the severity, and third the 1992 01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:23,880 Speaker 1: speed at which this is happening. At which this has 1993 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:28,560 Speaker 1: unfolded is unprecedented in my life. I've never seen anything 1994 01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,719 Speaker 1: like this in terms of severity, in terms of scale, 1995 01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:34,680 Speaker 1: and then in terms of speed. He went on to 1996 01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:37,599 Speaker 1: attempt to put in context how the starvation in Gaza 1997 01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,439 Speaker 1: compares to the starvation that is occurring in the rest 1998 01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:43,320 Speaker 1: of the world. He says, if you look globally worldwide 1999 01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:45,400 Speaker 1: right now, they are about one hundred and twenty nine 2000 01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:48,120 Speaker 1: thousand people who are in IPC Phase five, meaning a 2001 01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:51,439 Speaker 1: catastrophic type of hunger one hundred and twenty nine thousand. 2002 01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,880 Speaker 1: In Gaza, there are five hundred and seventy seven thousand. 2003 01:42:56,360 --> 01:43:00,040 Speaker 1: That means eighty percent of the people four on and 2004 01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,080 Speaker 1: five people in famine or a catastrophic type of hunger 2005 01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:07,320 Speaker 1: are in Gaza right now. This is also what makes 2006 01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:08,440 Speaker 1: it unprecedented. 2007 01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:08,960 Speaker 5: Now. 2008 01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,040 Speaker 1: According to Tally Gottlieb, who we heard from earlier. This 2009 01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:15,479 Speaker 1: is to be celebrated, to be encouraged, the terror, the 2010 01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:18,600 Speaker 1: hunger pains, the disease that feast on wasted bodies and 2011 01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:23,240 Speaker 1: compromise immune systems. But make no mistake, although Biden may 2012 01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:26,760 Speaker 1: not come out and say such brazenly horrifying things, he 2013 01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:31,439 Speaker 1: is actually a much bigger monster than Tally Gottlieb. By 2014 01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:35,560 Speaker 1: blocking a ceasefire, shipping the weapons that blows up those bakeries, 2015 01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:40,360 Speaker 1: providing bebe diplomatic cover to continue this assault, Joe Biden 2016 01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:45,360 Speaker 1: is directly architecting this famine, keeping food from the mouths 2017 01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:48,200 Speaker 1: of babies by the hundreds of thousands. I guess at 2018 01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:52,240 Speaker 1: least Tally is being honest in her depraved in humanity. 2019 01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:56,000 Speaker 1: And Ryan, this is something you have pointed out from 2020 01:43:56,040 --> 01:44:00,960 Speaker 1: the beginning. Thank you guys much for watching a Ryan. 2021 01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,560 Speaker 1: It was really nice to host the show with you. 2022 01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:04,759 Speaker 1: I really enjoy This was a first. I think we're 2023 01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,280 Speaker 1: trying to remember, even going back to Rising days, whether 2024 01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,200 Speaker 1: we'd ever hosted before because Ryan usually fills in for me, 2025 01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:12,960 Speaker 1: but we decided to do a little mix and match 2026 01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,439 Speaker 1: this weekend. I'm glad that we did a good time 2027 01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:17,960 Speaker 1: to do this again. Indeed, all right, guys, have a 2028 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,400 Speaker 1: great weekend. We'll have some content posting for you over 2029 01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:22,040 Speaker 1: the weekend as well, and we will be back with. 2030 01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:23,679 Speaker 5: A normal show schedule. 2031 01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:26,559 Speaker 1: And you know, plans are to have Soccer back in 2032 01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:28,920 Speaker 1: his chair next week as well, so we'll see you then. 2033 01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:31,040 Speaker 6: Actually, not really a good time, but glad we did 2034 01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:31,599 Speaker 6: it anyway. 2035 01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:33,880 Speaker 5: Indeed, indeed, see you guys soon.