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Speaker 1: because college, you know, your day is pretty much you know, uh,

428
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: schedules for you, um what overseas you you practice maybe

429
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: once or twice a day, and then you know you're

430
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: on your own. And I've never been like on my

431
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: own like that, having a fend for myself, having to

432
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and buy food to cook. Um.

433
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: And then the basketball wasn't but I was anticipating. I

434
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: was thought I was going to the pros. So there

435
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: were certain things that will already be in place, and

436
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 1: I was gonna be in the place of continuing to

437
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: learn um. But it was a lot different back then

438
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: because if you were the American or the foreigner, you

439
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: were expected to score, you know, fifty fifty points, and

440
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: if you didn't win and you didn't score those points,

441
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: they really put the blame on you. They don't mind

442
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: saying it's your fault. This is what we're paying you

443
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: to come here to help us win. So it was

444
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: and it was like imitating. It was like imitating the

445
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: the NBA, And I was just used to playing basketball

446
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: as like you know, in college, you're playing as a team,

447
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: you're moving the ball with you. You know, everybody gets

448
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: to touch the ball when it was the direct opposite,

449
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: like you put the ball into the super superstars hands

450
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: and you you gotta you gotta perform magic. Um. But

451
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: I was super happy that I had an outlet to

452
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: continue to play. So, I mean, I lived out of

453
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: a suitcase. But I surely just and enjoyed playing. Um,

454
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 1: I didn't enjoy because back then you didn't have you know,

455
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: you didn't have WiFi, you had a land line. So

456
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: my people, yeah, so my my, my telephone bills were

457
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: like two grando months back. Your check, your check, yeah, yes,

458
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: all my money goes through my phone. Yeah, I get it. Yea.

459
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: On the other side of the break, we hear more

460
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: from don Staley and how she was able to do

461
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: all these wonderful things that she just says so dismissively,

462
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: like it's not a big deal, but she's a superstar.

463
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: But more importantly, eat him. In the every champion and

464
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: carry champion has to be a champion, a champion and

465
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: carry chappion and carry champion, a champion and carry chappion

466
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: and carry Chappion sports. And then the Taming can naked work.

467
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: Every champion and carry chappion is to be a champion,

468
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: a champion, they carry champion, they champion, they carry Champion,

469
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: they carry Champion sports, and the the Taming can naked war.

470
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: All right, you guys, we talked about it, Don Staley

471
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: giving us that truth with an app are naked. Here's more.

472
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: But first of all, you go from because I think

473
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: people who are listening can't understand, you go from being

474
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: the number one college player in that same year, your

475
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: male counterpart town signs an eight million dollar deal and

476
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: you folting clothes, and then you go overseas because that's

477
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: the only way where you can at least do what

478
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: you love. UM and your homesick and they're all these

479
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: other options is to love hate relationship, to do what

480
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: you have to do. You imagine if I had to

481
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: pick up and leave and move to another country so

482
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: I could just do what I gotta do, which to

483
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: me is mind blowing now like the thought of that,

484
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: but it also talks about your commitment. Walk me through

485
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: how you decided to be in the w n B

486
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: A or ended up playing in the w n B

487
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: A and leaving overseas and what that experience was like. Well,

488
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: the main reason why I went overseas was because I

489
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: wanted to be an Olympian UM. And when I tried

490
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: out for the Olympic team, I got cut um and

491
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: the two things that they said, Well, the reasons why

492
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: I got cut was one, I was too short, and

493
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: there's that short thing again. And I didn't have enough

494
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: international experience. So that's why I went overseas to play

495
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: to get myself ready for the that next Olympic Games,

496
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: which was ninety six. So I'm in overseason in ninety two,

497
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: ninety three, and ninety four and then that that following year,

498
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: like I went ninety four to ninety five, but I

499
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: came home a little bit early because I was a

500
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: little banged up over there and I wanted to just

501
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: kind of heal up so I can participate in the

502
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: Olympic trials. Um. So it is I mean, you you

503
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: have to be committed if you have goals, and you

504
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: have to understand. When I was growing up in the projects,

505
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: only saw women playing in two events. One was the

506
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: national championship. So I wanted to be a national champion

507
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: and two was in the Olympics, so I wanted to

508
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: be an Olympian and the gold medalist. So those were

509
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: and I didn't even think about a w n B

510
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: A I mean, and I knew the NBA was out,

511
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, those two things just held my tension and

512
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: they made me super committed to that. And little did

513
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: I know, just from being involved in the nineties Olympic team,

514
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: two two women's basketball pro leagues, we're gonna be birthed

515
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: out of our experience, UM I had. I chose to

516
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: stay with the a b L because all of us

517
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: UM didn't know that there was gonna be a w

518
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: NBA league. So we committed to playing in the a

519
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: b L. So I did that for two years and

520
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: then I just felt like my body wouldn't be able

521
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: to take me playing year round like doing the traditional

522
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: basketball season. So I decided after two years to take

523
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: my talents to the w n B A uh, and

524
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: there we were talking victory. I we did a uh

525
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: think about the year of the the Olympic, year of

526
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: the woman I thought was and we did this whole

527
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: talk about all the different things that came from the Olympics.

528
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: And you're speaking of that now, um, And how would

529
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: you know? You wouldn't know, but you still have had

530
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do both. I I feel like the

531
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: w n B A then versus now has has changed dramatically. Um.

532
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: I feel like this year, you give me your take

533
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: on it. This year there was more buzz around the finals,

534
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: I believe than ever before. More people are paying attention

535
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: where you know, the marketing feels better, it feels like

536
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: there is some value there. How would you view the

537
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: league when you play to now? Well, when I play,

538
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: the league was just you know, three years old, three too.

539
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: I think I played five or six years so three

540
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: to nine, it was under ten years old. Um. But

541
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: and I and I thought I thought it was talent field.

542
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: Back then, I thought it was super talented. And especially yeah,

543
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: especially yes when the A b L folded and all

544
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: those players had to come into w n B A,

545
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: it was top to bottom load packed packed, um. And

546
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: then if you fast forward, you know, fifteen sixteen years

547
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: from there. Um. As far as talent, I think the

548
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: talents up and the talents up because we've had twenty

549
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: five years of all of those those players that are

550
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: planning in the w n b A. Now they only

551
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: knew of a w n b A like their their

552
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: their lifespan was really only of having a women's professional

553
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: league here in the States. So they had something to

554
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: really work hard for. They have goals, so they're gonna

555
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: do everything they need that they need to do to

556
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: give themselves a chance to play in the league. Um,

557
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: and to do that, you gotta be really good. And

558
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: whilst you're gonna be, you're gonna be left behind. And

559
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: that makes it, you know, I mean if you pour

560
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: into anything like you know people who have poured into

561
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: the w n b A right, and the novelty has

562
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: worn off. And I thought for a while, um it

563
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: plants towed. But I think now we're we're coming back.

564
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: Like I think, this is this is time for women

565
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: like women in sports, this is this is our time,

566
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: Like we have to strike when the iron is hot

567
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: so we can get to another another fiftieth year, twenty

568
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: five more years. And I do think, I do think

569
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: you'll have a million dollar player, a multi million dollar

570
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: player in the in the near future. I do. Um,

571
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: you always try to compare UM leagues, you know. You you

572
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,959
Speaker 1: you go back to the NBA, their first twenty five

573
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: years M. I don't know if there were a millionaires

574
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: then I say that now I say that now all

575
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: the time. I'm like, I'm not. I don't know, but

576
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: but but what I what I do know, and I

577
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: hope I'm not like how people romanticize what it used

578
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: to be like. But I do know if I feel

579
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: like if you sit it up and swoops even Lisa,

580
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: like y'all can take these girls like if this was

581
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: it was the talent then versus the talent now right,

582
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent, But I felt like it

583
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: was more gritty. I felt like it was more you

584
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like y'all had a different type

585
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: of edge when you all played. And I don't know

586
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: if that's the advent of college giving giving these stars

587
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: more attention, giving them more access, I don't know, but

588
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: just it just feels different, the love for it feels different. Yeah. Well, well, um,

589
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to you know when the Teresa Edwards, um,

590
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: the you know, Medina Dixon's, you know, the the Debbie Lido's,

591
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: the you know the Yalanda Laneys. I mean, these are

592
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: those shoulders we stood on. We're still on their shoulders

593
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: and now you know, now this error of athletes in

594
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: the w n B A is standing on our shoulders. Um.

595
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: I do feel like there was a different grittiness, meaning

596
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: we we trimmed the fact, like there's no there was

597
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: no fact to us playing. I think now there's a

598
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: lot of fact to the w n B A in

599
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: that you're trying to outdo somebody, you're trying to I

600
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 1: mean they've worked on things that you know, coaches back

601
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: back in the day went allowed us to do that.

602
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: That was circus basketball, you know what I'm saying. So,

603
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: but they they work on those things, and I do

604
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: think some of them have to utilize, um, some less

605
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: traditional moves um to to outfox people because I do

606
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: think they're they're bigger and stronger. Now, yeah, they're bigger, stronger.

607
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: You don't think so, No, No, I agree, you're right.

608
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you're right. That's how I'm saying is though,

609
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: And I know I'm looking at it from fifty one

610
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: year old eyes, But when I was around the Olympic team,

611
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: anytime I go to a w NBA game, I do

612
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: often thing this is physical. I don't know if I could,

613
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't don't know after it. They know. It's like

614
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: you sit in courtside, you like you know that, you know,

615
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: like you Okay, this is real. The girls get after it.

616
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I agree, and they are big girl

617
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: like they are. But I was at game too, I

618
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: was like, these these things ain't fooling around, you know

619
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like um, but I'm fragile now, So

620
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean this is I have a hard time believing

621
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: that if we could, we could freeze time, we could

622
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: take this young lady and put her in today's league.

623
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: I still think you'd just back to basics, just fundamentals.

624
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: I think you, I think you would be right there.

625
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: I think I wouldn't even I don't even think my

626
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: heart will be in it for sure, for sure, for sure.

627
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: And maybe that's what I'm referring to because so and

628
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm watching it differently. So I mean I don't and

629
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: it's hard I listen. I ain't play ball, so let

630
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: me shut up. But you like I like this, I

631
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: like I want all of this. I want you to

632
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: have all of this. I don''t get back on defense.

633
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear nothing else. It's all of

634
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: it right here. But I mean, I don't know. In

635
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: my case, I'm just saying that for you, coach, Okay,

636
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: I have to ask you this because I know you

637
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: gotta go in a minute. Year one coach now coach

638
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: highest paid or you and Geno maybe tied. I don't know.

639
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm not for sure, but I have the reports that

640
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: you're the highest paid basketball culture women's basketball. You're black woman.

641
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: The celebration is loud, and I know you here, but

642
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: you live on the humble like nabig deal. Yeah, yeah,

643
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm good. How does that make you feel? Do you

644
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 1: understand this what is happening? Do you understand what you've done,

645
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: what you've been able to accomplish because you was folding

646
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: clothes and nineties. I just just you right here. You

647
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to the people at the retail

648
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: store closed ninety two. Now you're the highest paid. I'm

649
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm kicking it over them almost three million year to

650
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: create um an environment that nurtures women's sports. It's not

651
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: just for basketball, it's for women's sports in general. That's amazing. Yeah,

652
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: I mean, uh is a thing that my path truly

653
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: was divinely ordered. Like I am a believer that h

654
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: I found my calling. I listened to um where God

655
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: wanted me to go, because surely I didn't see myself

656
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: in Columbia, South Carolina like and it maybe Philly like

657
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: the Temple thing was a you know it was it

658
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: was a good match because I'm from Philly. But then

659
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: you know, once I left Philly and came to South Carolina,

660
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm you know this this is yeah,

661
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: well I didn't think it fit, but as the years

662
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: went by, it fits. And then now I'm just gonna

663
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: tell you what spared me, the fight for what took

664
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: place on Friday, which was you know, a raise. It was, Um,

665
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: I wanted equal pay like I wanted. I wanted equal

666
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: pay and I never backed down from it because UM,

667
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: here I him. I'm writing letters. Um, I'm reading letters

668
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: to say to speak on all the inequities that happened

669
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: at in San Antonio at the n C Double A Tournament.

670
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: Like you know, I got it out. I had to

671
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: get it off my chest, and then I had to

672
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, just move on and focus on our team.

673
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: And then it stayed with me when we got back,

674
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: Like how am I gonna be out here politicking and

675
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: fighting for um equality? Um? Nationally and then we we don't.

676
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: I don't even have it here. There's now it's not

677
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: been you know, discussion about it. So then I'm like, hell,

678
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm going for it. Like I'm like, I'm going for it,

679
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: like this is what I want. Like and it took

680
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: it took a while for it to take place, but um,

681
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: you gotta stay the course when you want to do

682
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: something big. Now now now they offered me, um, you know,

683
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: a significant race. But then I'm like, hell, if you

684
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: can get this, you can. We're here, We're we're almost here.

685
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: Give me my money. But but but because it's not

686
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: about the money, it's about the principality smoking yes, but

687
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: but throughout the negotiations it was all about the money.

688
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: Like basically, you know, some of the stuff came out

689
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: like why you know why you think you should make

690
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: more than the football coach? I like, I don't. I don't.

691
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: I didn't pay the football coach, Like really, I didn't

692
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: wear football school as he sees a football conference. I wasn't.

693
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: That wasn't my My point. My point is, I do

694
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: I do what the mess basketball coach does. Um, we've

695
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: had sustained success here, We've been in the final fours,

696
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: we won a national championship. We've done basically all these things,

697
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: and and I had to look at like if you

698
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: look at and I don't want to talk about Frank

699
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: Martin in this way. I'm just gonna talk about the numbers.

700
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: And the numbers say, I've been here from um two

701
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: thousand and eight until now. He was here from I

702
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: don't know, two thousand and twelve until now. If you

703
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: add up his his um increases, is salary increases, you

704
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: add up mine, he's got more. So that number is

705
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: staggering to me. And I just felt like, now is

706
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: the time. But it's also you know, was I fighting

707
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: for me? Yes, but I was also fighting for a

708
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: bigger like this is much bigger than than me. This

709
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: is for black women, for white women, for corporate women, CEOs,

710
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: this is for teachers, this is for administrators, This is

711
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: for every woman that doesn't get a dollar on the

712
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: dollar she earned. And and I just felt like, you know,

713
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: and I don't. I didn't. I was doubtful. I was

714
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: really doubtful whether or not it was gonna get done.

715
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: But when it got done, it was well worth the negotiations.

716
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: It was well worth you know, the high pitched voices

717
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: that were you know, spewed out um because it was

718
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: not about me. It was more about everybody else. And

719
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: I just hope this creates a norm because this is unpopular.

720
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: It's unpopular for for South Carolina to do it um

721
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: and and it's you know, it's a microcosm of what's

722
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: happening out there in the world. So I hope it

723
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: moves from being an unpopular right thing to a popular

724
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: right thing and the norm. So I think it's I

725
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: think it's a pretty big deal. I think it's pretty

726
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: cool deal. And all these things were happening too. When

727
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: I just told somebody this is robbing Robberts that the

728
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: U l f G documentary that they had on CNN.

729
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: I watched it. I sat down and watched it, and

730
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm just like, damnly, this is a damn shame that

731
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: this is happening to them when you know they've been

732
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: super successful. So I sat down, I watched it, I

733
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: took notes, and I'm just like, I'm I'm I'm here

734
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: for this reason, Like sometimes you need something tangible to say,

735
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: this is why you're here, Keep pushing, keep fighting, keep

736
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: this is what we need. We need groundbreaking. We went.

737
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: We need momentum heading into you know what I think

738
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: is a woman's movement. It's time for us to rise

739
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: up and to to risk it all. Because I did.

740
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: I risked. I risked it all. Like they could have said,

741
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: I'll get on out of here. We you know we're

742
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: not doing this out, dare you? Um? So you gotta

743
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: be able to risk it all and know that if

744
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't turn out the way you wanted to, it

745
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: wasn't because you didn't bite. Let's normalize equal pay. How

746
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: about that. Let's normalize equal pay for hard working black

747
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: women and women all over. But let's just normalize equal pay.

748
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: It it's just so simple, like I like, not asking,

749
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: like equal pay, like racism, like it's such it's such

750
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: a simple thing to solve. Okay, I gotta let you go.

751
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: Last question number one preseason congratulations what we're looking like?

752
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: I mean, just so many wins, so many wins, and

753
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: I know I know what it feels like to be

754
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: the first and do so many things that people haven't

755
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: done before. And all it is is check check, check,

756
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: check check, and we keep moving. You back your back

757
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: and practice. You don't like I I need you to

758
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: take a moment to disenjoy this season. Let it be

759
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: two weeks, that would be a day. But it is

760
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to watch. It makes me so happy,

761
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: Like I'm so happy listening to you right now. Do

762
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: you understand like I am celebrating every one of your

763
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: wins because it's a win for us. It is a

764
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: win for the culture, it's a win for women. It

765
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: is a win, huge wins, and I'd like to see

766
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: us have some parody and normalize something different, especially in

767
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: women's basketball at the collegiate level. Number one, preseason, what

768
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: we're looking like, I mean, I probably, like everybody else, good, bad,

769
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: ugly at times, Like like I mean, we got a

770
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: good team, no doubt about it, very very talented um.

771
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: And we just started doing this this week and it

772
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: it's not fun, but we just started simulating what what

773
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: a game would be like in terms of seven institutions.

774
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: So some people aren't getting as many reps as they've gotten,

775
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, for the two months that we've been together.

776
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: So you you'll hear a little bit of chirping, you

777
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: see a little bit of facial expressions, you'll feel see

778
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of body language, and that's normal. You know,

779
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take that away from competitors, But I

780
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: told our players this year that we're all gonna have

781
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: to sacrifice UM and you gotta keep you gotta keep

782
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: um sending that message because again they lose sight because

783
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: they look within and say, hey, I'm not starting, I'm

784
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: not playing. So we gotta consistently, you know, give them

785
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: that message. And I asked them again, I'm a very beginning.

786
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: I was like a little bit different. You know, you

787
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: understand what we're They all said yes, I said, but

788
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: we only need what you do best, just this year,

789
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: just this year. We don't need your whole bag. We

790
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: know you gotta do We can do a lot of

791
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: things with that basketball, but we only need the thing

792
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: that you do best. And if you do that, things

793
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: are gonna start clearing up. If you try to muck

794
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: it up by looking at what this person does, which

795
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: is her best thing, but you want to add that

796
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: to what you already do, it's gonna mess things up.

797
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: So we have to constantly battle with our players to

798
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: see the big picture. And it's not gonna happen overnight,

799
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: but it's going to happen if we're if we just

800
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: like we have to drill how we're playing ball screens,

801
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: ball screen defense. We gotta drill it. We gotta drill

802
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: these things too, because you know it it's coming. We

803
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: play in you know, two weeks. Um, the parents are

804
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: gonna come to the games. They're gonna see there their

805
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: little girls expecting them to play. And we're gonna get

806
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: on the zoom call with the parents and we're gonna say, hey,

807
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: we're about to start. Your daughter may play some minutes,

808
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: no minutes, a lot of minutes. We don't know. Any

809
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: given day could change. So we need you, We need

810
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: you to be parents and support them. Don't don't ask

811
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: what you don't know, because you know, we've been in

812
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: the gym for two months and if you want to

813
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: count back to June, uh five, six months. So it

814
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: is what it is. So I think we do a

815
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: really good job of communicating, and we got a good team.

816
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: And whether we're the number one or number three, number six,

817
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: number eight, whatever it is, Um, we're gonna fight. We're

818
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: gonna not literally fight, We're gonna but maybe sometimes times

819
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: it happens. Um, coach, I know you have to go.

820
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: We only need you. I'm writing down with turn we

821
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: need you to do the thing you do best. I said,

822
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: that's how we want them to do. I am for you,

823
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: and I am so very very very very very excited

824
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: for you. No matter um what the season looks like,

825
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: we hope it's always a win. I went to U

826
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: C l A. So I gotta be careful what I

827
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: say because you know they'll be watching everything. Coach texting

828
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: me like Kerry, can I talk to you? I'd be like,

829
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: I just I can't. I get like coach, I didn't play.

830
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: I just I hadn't work in sports. I'm sorry, but

831
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: I I coach. I'm just I am so proud of

832
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: you and so excited for what's next in your journey.

833
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: You have really, truly, truly been a trailblazer and it's

834
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 1: not gonna notice. We need it. So thank you for it.

835
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: Thank you so. As this is being released this week

836
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: one of college basketball. Don did not know this, but

837
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: I intentionally moved this podcast up so that I could

838
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: praise her during this week. Her class currently is number

839
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: one preseason number one, Paul. That means nothing to her,

840
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: as she has talked about I will be very clear

841
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 1: here though, if just in case, you know, my coach

842
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: coach close at U c l A is listening. I

843
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: am bruin, but I'm very impressed by don so please

844
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: don't be mad at me. Side note, I'm looking forward

845
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: to see what she does, and I don't want to

846
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 1: hear anyone critiquing her if she doesn't have the season

847
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: that's some expect because she got paid. That money she

848
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Speaker 1: got paid that was already invested years ago. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: had her at a bargain. All right, you got her

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Speaker 1: on the cheat, you finally pay her her worth. It

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Speaker 1: is back if you will. I don't wanna hear no

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Speaker 1: no crap talking. I do want to say though, when

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Speaker 1: I listened to the podcast, I thought it has to

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Speaker 1: be difficult. Two always feel like you have to do

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Speaker 1: and say the right thing when you're in such a

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Speaker 1: public position. College sports is very political, although people will

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Speaker 1: say it's not. College sports is very political sports and generalists,

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Speaker 1: but on the collegiate level there's an extra layer of

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Speaker 1: red tape that you have to deal with boosters, you know,

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Speaker 1: alumni parents. She meant is all of that. There's so

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Speaker 1: much going on, but she has been able to do

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Speaker 1: something that I think we all should learn to do.

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Speaker 1: Keep the main thing the main thing. I'm here to

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Speaker 1: coach these girls to play basketball so that they can

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Speaker 1: compete and move on and do whatever they want to

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Speaker 1: do that in line, whether that be go to the league,

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Speaker 1: whether that be find another career, maybe that be a coach,

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Speaker 1: whatever it may be. I'm here to do the main thing,

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Speaker 1: and I keep the main thing the main thing. Oftentimes

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Speaker 1: we get so caught up and ship that just don't

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Speaker 1: matter instead of just being right, instead of just doing

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Speaker 1: what we came to do, we get caught up and distracted,

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Speaker 1: and that's where we see all the pitfalls, all the problems.

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Speaker 1: So I thanked on for reminding me to keep the

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Speaker 1: main thing the main thing. Thanks for listening. That's the

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Speaker 1: main thing today. Kids Back next week, y'all. Mm hm