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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex barth I'm Lazar Lazar. Hello, everybody nailed it,

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Speaker 1: joined us always buying our dat. Here is Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Bark Hello, Hello, Hello, everybody. I'm gonna complain

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Speaker 1: for thirty seconds of our job on this is too quick.

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Speaker 1: It's too quick NFL. We were just at the Combine.

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Speaker 1: It feels like yesterday that we were just at the

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Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl. The Senior Bowl happens. Now we didn't even

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Speaker 1: get a full Combine recap show in before we have

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Speaker 1: to start talking about free agency? What are we doing? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Two things. First off, you don't even say hello. You

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Speaker 1: literally just opened the show by saying I'm gonna complain.

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Speaker 1: I said hello, Hello, Hello, and then I said I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna complain typical And now you're just We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: even more called from people now about we should do

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Speaker 1: the show twice a week. That's all that's kind of

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Speaker 1: that was that was maybe part of it. But I

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Evan Lazar Complaints our featuring Alex barth Ian.

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Speaker 1: Evan doesn't want to talk about football again because he

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Speaker 1: just did for the last week. Anyway, I told you this,

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Speaker 1: I told you this the other day that because they've

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Speaker 1: pushed the Super Bowl a week later because of the

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Speaker 1: extra game. And remember, it's going to get pushed another

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Speaker 1: pushed and pushed and pushed because we're pushing everything out.

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Speaker 1: They need to we need to have more time. We do.

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Speaker 1: We need to. We need some more time to to

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Speaker 1: to reset, decompress. Three hundred and sixty five day a

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Speaker 1: year businesses right there with the NFL. Anybody if the

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Speaker 1: league year started in two weeks instead of one week

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Speaker 1: from the content, Now you're pushing for agency into the draft,

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but you push the draft back. Can't push

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Speaker 1: the draft back? Already did that? No, you can't know,

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Speaker 1: because that's right, all right. And they're the two biggest

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Speaker 1: seasons in the sports world, Evan, nflc in this number one.

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Speaker 1: NFL off season is number two. That's fair, that's fair,

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Speaker 1: all right. I just I think it's a little fast,

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. But we're gonna talk about our

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Speaker 1: takeaways from the combine. We're gonna wrap up the combine

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Speaker 1: with a little bit of a free agency preview, but

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Speaker 1: I want to start with the combine. Alex. Both of

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Speaker 1: us were very attentively watching the combine all weekend long.

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Speaker 1: I like your point that you made on near appearance

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Speaker 1: on Unfiltered at the end there, if you guys want

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Speaker 1: to listen to that about basically confirming our priors for

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Speaker 1: strains of the class are, but also some of the

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Speaker 1: individual prospects. But I thought the easiest way to do,

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Speaker 1: and we both have our lists, is at three up,

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Speaker 1: up first because we're positive people, we're trying, we're not

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Speaker 1: we'll do three up first. I'll give my three up,

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Speaker 1: But I'm to start with I think, so are we

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Speaker 1: hang on? Are we doing like for like patriots? Prospects

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Speaker 1: are just overall? This was mostly overall, but okay, but

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Speaker 1: I hear you. Yeah, so probably more Patriots then for

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson was excellent and we moved. We have liked Anton.

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Speaker 1: Everybody liked Anthony Richardson. He is an extraterrestrial playing quarterback. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest winner from the combine for me,

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Speaker 1: the combine coverage was that Saturday? I think it was

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Speaker 1: the one The one guy that I think was acceptable

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Speaker 1: conversation fourteen? I think he might have. So the Texans

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Speaker 1: on ninety eight five sportsub dot com. Everybody's freaking out.

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Speaker 1: How do you not have the Titans taking a tackle?

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Speaker 1: First off, I did go to the bottom. They traded

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Speaker 1: don't know what the exact conversation was, but it certainly

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Speaker 1: feels like John Robinson got fired because he traded AJ Brown.

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Speaker 1: feels like that's the move they need to react to.

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Speaker 1: I know they cut Taylor Luan, I know they need

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Speaker 1: So that's like, so it's a down receiver class. We

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Speaker 1: because the plan B isn't there. You see this, sometimes

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Speaker 1: So I actually think even though it was a bad

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Speaker 1: to get off the explosiveness that change the direction to

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Speaker 1: chase down mobile quarterbacks. This is not a big need

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Speaker 1: long as he's six foot, As long as he's six foot,

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Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson. What in ud? I think you need to

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Speaker 1: want like a mid round guy that maybe could push

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Speaker 1: not in love with at Perry, then like, I'm fine

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Speaker 1: with that. Look, I'm not saying he's putting himself in

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Speaker 1: I just that guy's smooth it. That's the word smooth.

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Speaker 1: sorting things out. All Right, we have this bunch of

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Speaker 1: each other? I don't have much of a question about

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Speaker 1: Washington too. You wanted nothing to do with Darnel Darnel Washington,

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Speaker 1: was struggling, and then he just puts the thing on ice, like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was very impressive. He might be in the first

427
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Speaker 1: round conversation now, I don't know where we're at with

428
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Speaker 1: the Patriots anymore in terms of what they look for

429
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Speaker 1: because mac Rose in his position and Bill Belichick's maybe evolved.

430
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Speaker 1: But the Dan Graham, Ben Watson, Rob Gronkowski Patriots draft

431
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Speaker 1: Darnel Washington ten times out of time. Well, that was

432
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Speaker 1: the comp they put up during the Combines podcast, and

433
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Speaker 1: I felt kind of silly saying that a couple of

434
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Speaker 1: weeks ago. But you watch the way tacklers bounce offul Yeah,

435
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Speaker 1: that Oregon play. All right, did you do three? Now

436
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: you have one? That was my third in the tight ends.

437
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 1: All right, so let's clear the board here and take

438
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Speaker 1: some calls eighty five Pats, five hundred, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: do our downs afterwards. Rage, thanks so much for calling in.

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Speaker 1: You've been holding on from Unfiltered to talk to us,

441
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 1: and we really appreciate that. Say hello to the Flagship Show. No,

442
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Speaker 1: the Flagship Shows right here, Raje, what's up? Hey, thanks,

443
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Speaker 1: I'm a long time listener for Board the shows. Oh

444
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Speaker 1: thank you. More comfortable following this show because I used

445
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Speaker 1: to follow this show like some pretty responsibis, and I

446
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: still follow with the elected Mike, Oh thank you. I

447
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 1: was comfortable talking in this book show more next to

448
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Speaker 1: singles things than that. I'm sorry, no, perfectly against them.

449
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Speaker 1: I guess those guys. So actually my question is and

450
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Speaker 1: it's not a question, it's like a discussion point. I

451
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: see there is a lot of food disrespect from the

452
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Speaker 1: Patriots in the division, the way the betting odds have

453
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Speaker 1: came out and everything. I know that Jets are making

454
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Speaker 1: the moose and all sins are making moves and wins

455
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: are bins. But if you see the Patriots track record,

456
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 1: there have been a few plays away with double digitsween

457
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: every season, just two three plays away. Even in the

458
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 1: Camp Newton time as well, they were just three plays

459
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Speaker 1: that we're winning ten games that perce and from this

460
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Speaker 1: team perspective, what I feeling this team is just lacking

461
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Speaker 1: confident in winning those big games. They're so close winning

462
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Speaker 1: so many games and they lose at the end. That's

463
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Speaker 1: what they need to figure out. So what I feel

464
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Speaker 1: the plan should be instead of grabbing this mid level

465
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Speaker 1: players they need to they are at the time, they

466
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Speaker 1: are in the space now who hit the big time

467
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Speaker 1: place like just find the stars like preminutement. So just

468
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Speaker 1: you just go off of the players who can take

469
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Speaker 1: care their position and we have all the other secondary

470
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Speaker 1: level of players to take care and play around them.

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Speaker 1: That's so I feel like it. Oh, I would like

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Speaker 1: to see your thoughts. Awesome, Yes, thanks for the callage.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate that, and it's a good point. I think

474
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Speaker 1: that's where we're all at right now with this team,

475
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: which is I like some of their deaf pieces. I

476
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Speaker 1: like their roster for the most part, but they are

477
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Speaker 1: missing those star pieces. And I think the other thing

478
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Speaker 1: that he mentioned was just that confidence that I think

479
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Speaker 1: Brady really gave them, to be honest with you, but

480
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Speaker 1: that confidence that I brought up on the last I

481
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Speaker 1: brought up twenty eight to three, Like this team I

482
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Speaker 1: don't think has the confidence to go into halftime at

483
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, down at twenty one three and then

484
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Speaker 1: twenty eight three early in the third quarter and say

485
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Speaker 1: it's all right, guys, we got this. You know we're

486
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Speaker 1: gonna come back. We're gonna win this game. That sort

487
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 1: of confidence and that sort of just you know, belief

488
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: in yourself, I think comes more when they go out

489
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Speaker 1: and they trade for DeAndre Hopkins and they signed a

490
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Speaker 1: tremade Edmonds and they you know, elevate their roster where

491
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Speaker 1: they have some star players that that can go out

492
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Speaker 1: and just say I'm just better than the guy that's

493
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Speaker 1: lining up across from me, and I'm gonna make it

494
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Speaker 1: happen for us. And they might not have enough of

495
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Speaker 1: those players right now. Yeah, No, I agree with you.

496
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Speaker 1: I think they've They've got like the the secondary pieces

497
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Speaker 1: in place. Now go out and get like the you know,

498
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Speaker 1: the guys at the top right chart. You're in good shape,

499
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Speaker 1: right And that's why we I think we're both on

500
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Speaker 1: the camp of hating a trade down for the most

501
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: part is because that fourteen you you hope you can

502
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Speaker 1: come away with one of those pillars, you know, one

503
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Speaker 1: of those guys votes building blocks. Sean and Vancouver. What's

504
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Speaker 1: going on, Sean Big good to speak with you again.

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Speaker 1: I have a couple of questions. One question I have

506
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: and maybe you don't have the answer, but hopefully you do.

507
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Speaker 1: Are the Patriots is going to be doing anything in

508
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Speaker 1: terms of coaching for special teams like changing came Acord

509
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Speaker 1: or adding help there, because they were really awful and

510
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Speaker 1: special teams and I don't see anything improving if they

511
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Speaker 1: have the same coaching in place. Yeah, it's a fair question, Sean.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the call. So from everything that we've seen

513
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Speaker 1: just on the outside looking in, we are out at

514
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Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl. You and I, Alex and Cam Accord

515
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Speaker 1: and Joe Houston. Who's the assistant special teams coach. They

516
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Speaker 1: were out there at the team at the Shrine Bowl

517
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Speaker 1: coaching special teams. I went to the combine, I saw

518
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Speaker 1: both of them. They're out there meeting with special teamers.

519
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Speaker 1: So those two guys are in place and are going

520
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Speaker 1: to remain in place. I think the one wild card

521
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Speaker 1: is does Joe Judge start to gravitate back towards the

522
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Speaker 1: kicking game a little bit and at least just offer

523
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Speaker 1: some influence or offer some help on special teams. But

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Speaker 1: cam Acord is going to be your special team's coordinator

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Speaker 1: next year, and your assistant coach is going to be

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Speaker 1: Joe Joe Houston. I don't think that's changing. Yeah. In

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Speaker 1: terms of titles, yeah, I'm with you on that. I

528
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Speaker 1: think those are those are the guys going forward. And

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Speaker 1: does Joe Judge advise there, Does he get an official

530
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Speaker 1: title there? We'll see. But I don't think there's anybody

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Speaker 1: else from outside coming in. And I don't think either

532
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Speaker 1: of those guys. I know some people have wondered about

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Speaker 1: cam Acord's job security. If they were going to get

534
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: rid of him, they would have done it already. He's here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's happening quite yet. And I do

536
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Speaker 1: look at Joe Judge though, and I wonder if maybe

537
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Speaker 1: he's somebody that is more of a floater in terms

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Speaker 1: of where he's coaching next year. Yeah, and maybe he

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Speaker 1: touches a little bit more on special teams than than

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Speaker 1: he does anywhere else in the building. All right, Patty

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Speaker 1: from Magawan Patty, Hey, before I get to my point,

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Speaker 1: let me just say I'm totally on board. If you

543
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Speaker 1: guys want to go to Plice a week, you know too,

544
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm gonna pressence this and Alex I want

545
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Speaker 1: to have a little point counterpoint with you because I

546
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Speaker 1: don't like argument with people, okay style. But I'm gonna

547
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Speaker 1: preface this my point by saying, out of the two

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Speaker 1: players I'm going to bring up, I want Jerry Duty,

549
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm patriots. The last one you did on Tuesday, you

550
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: said that DeAndre m sorry Judy, would be a better

551
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: system than for DeAndre Hopkins. My point is Hopkins played

552
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: six years under Bill O'Brien system. Now granted, hopefully like

553
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: the system that he brings in here is going to

554
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: evolve and do a little Alabam alabamification. As you guys

555
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: like to say, and Duty only played I don't even

556
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Speaker 1: think was was he did he play one season with

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones or was basically two of his quarterback for

558
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Speaker 1: a couple of years. And I just want to know

559
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Speaker 1: where you're kind of coming from. Where you see Judy

560
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Speaker 1: as a better system fit And like I said, I

561
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Speaker 1: would prefer Duty over Hopkins. Yeah, so Judy played half

562
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Speaker 1: a season with Mac when Twa got hurt his last year,

563
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: they're in. Max stepped in at the end of the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like four or five games system fit. It's funny.

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Speaker 1: I actually thought about that comment after I said it.

566
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Speaker 1: System fit was probably the wrong phrase to use. Basically,

567
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Speaker 1: what I mean is I think they need a guy

568
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Speaker 1: in the slot. They need a guy who can put

569
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Speaker 1: up massive numbers, could be a volume receiver in the

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Speaker 1: slot that I think he'll be the best edition. Sorry, Patty,

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Speaker 1: it's no, it's a fair question. M I basically just

572
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: think they need a slot machine guy. A guy that's

573
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Speaker 1: just gonna go in the slot can get one hundred

574
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Speaker 1: and twenty targets. DeAndre Hopkins isn't doing that. He's probably

575
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Speaker 1: more familiar with Bill O'Brien system. Like Patty said, he

576
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Speaker 1: played there and obviously, look, he succeeded in that offense,

577
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Speaker 1: but that was four or five years ago. At this point,

578
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Speaker 1: I just I'd rather see them get the slot receiver,

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Speaker 1: and that's Jerry Judy. So I'm coming around more to

580
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Speaker 1: the DeAndre Hopkins trade just because I think he's the

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Speaker 1: best receiver that we've heard that's available. That's look, I'm

582
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Speaker 1: not is actually available. But what I do love too

583
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Speaker 1: about the Jerry Judy thing. I agree with your point

584
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Speaker 1: about the slot in the route running and stuff, but

585
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: he's just younger and he's twenty three. He has side.

586
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: I love the three years younger than Jacobe Myers of

587
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: pairing when you look at like what the Bills did

588
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: was to Fonnd Diggs or what the Eagles did with

589
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: AJ Brown, Like those guys were hitting their second contracts

590
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: when they were acquired. You know, Hopkins is much further

591
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: down the line here, and that does have some concern

592
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: for me, is that you're acquiring a thirty one year

593
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: old receiver. There's no upside here. You're getting out back

594
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: and it's great that he's gonna be I think he's

595
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: gonna be a Pro Bowl, All Pro talent for the

596
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: first year or two that he's here, and that's great,

597
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that you really want somebody

598
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: ideally that's growing with mac Jones instead of somebody that's

599
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: just already made thing like Hopkins. All right, Eldred, what's up, Eldred?

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Speaker 1: Oh good, good, I got a question for you. Want

601
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: to take it off the air? All right? Uh? They

602
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: say all the tackles are gone, Okay, at fourteen you

603
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: see Jared Joy, Porter, Quinton Johnson, Gonzalez and Edgeworth Russian

604
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: sit there at fourteen? Which one you're taking? And I'll

605
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: take it off the air? Thank you? Thanks for they call, Eldred.

606
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Speaker 1: I'm Christian Gonzal. He's the best player there. Yeah, I'm

607
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: going Christian Gonzalez. So I'll do this because I appreciate

608
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Speaker 1: the call, Eldred. I don't know if Gonzalez is going

609
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Speaker 1: to be there. I shocked. So if it's Joey Porter

610
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Speaker 1: Junior versus Quentin Johnston versus let's say Nolan Smith because

611
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Speaker 1: I know he's edge rusher, like, let's those three guys,

612
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: let's take Let's take Gonzalez out of it. Because I

613
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be there, I'd still take Joey Porter.

614
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Speaker 1: I think he's the best of those. I think he's

615
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: the best player of those three for this team right now. Yeah,

616
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Speaker 1: you know, Quentin Johnson, we have our reserves about and

617
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a scheme fit. Nolan Smith down

618
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Speaker 1: the road might end up a better player than Joey Porter.

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Speaker 1: But who's helping you more in twenty twenty three? Yeah,

620
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I like Joey Porter as well. All Right,

621
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Speaker 1: we got a very special caller that's on the screen

622
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Speaker 1: and you gotta keepit PG mister Amos, all right, we're

623
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Speaker 1: on there. Bradley. What's up? Bradley? Hey, you know, first

624
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: time a long time here. Um, I just needed to

625
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: say Evan, he's just been covering both sides this entire

626
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: draft protest. So two weeks ago, he's saying how much

627
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: he loved the Northwestern tackle. I say, hey, he might

628
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: be a guard. He goes, He's not a guard, instantly

629
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: starts his mock draft saying like, you know, this guy

630
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: might be a guard playing both sides, and then we

631
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Speaker 1: go to Indy. We have a great time at the combine.

632
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Speaker 1: He was spending all day Friday saying, hey, this isn't

633
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: a wide receiver draft class. By the time the plane lands,

634
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: he's saying, if we don't take JS at fourteen, the

635
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: end of the world. So I just need to say,

636
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Speaker 1: Evan playing both sides a little bit here, Okay, So

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Speaker 1: that's a great call. That's an excellent call. Let me

638
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Speaker 1: fill the listeners in on something. Evans hanging up on

639
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: Bradley Evans, I know, but I want to make sure

640
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: Bradley here's this. I hope he's still listening, and if not,

641
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: if somebody in his office could play back for him.

642
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: Evan's favorite prospect at any given time, and it's been

643
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: this way for years, is the last prospect he watched.

644
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: Evan's draft coverage is based almost entirely on recency bias,

645
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: except for like, there's like two or three guys that

646
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: I just love from the game. There's guys that will

647
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: hang around, but no, but like those guys always in

648
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: the background. So it's right. Evan always says they should

649
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 1: draft insert the last player he watched, and then if

650
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: not him, and then he has two or three fallback guys.

651
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: But Evan's favorite player in any given draft is the

652
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: last player he watched. Remember we went through the Cody

653
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: mock phase a couple of weeks ago. How's that go? Right?

654
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: So that's a Hogmiley, you know, it's it's the scene

655
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: from um, it's a road grade up. It's the scene

656
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: from Goodwill Hunting. Remember where they're in the bar and

657
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: they're arguing, and he's like, oh, yeah, of course you

658
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: say that. You probably just read this book and you'll

659
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: be in here regurgitating it until next week, and then

660
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: you'll read Gordon Wood and then you'll be telling us

661
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: that Gordon Wood was right, and then you'll come in

662
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: here in a couple of weeks you'll have read another book.

663
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: That's Evan. Evan is the guy with the ponytail from

664
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: Will Hunting. When it comes to NFL draft coverage, the

665
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: last thing he loves him though, Let's face it, but Bradley,

666
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: great call. You're one hundred percent right that I love.

667
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: I love playing the fence or playing both sides that way.

668
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm always right like that, that's the best way. Oh

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00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: you mean Peter Scronsky. The Patriots drafted him and he

670
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: turns out he's a guard always sunny, right, I mean,

671
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: he just that's how you're always you cover your bases

672
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: that's how you do it in the draft because guess

673
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: for something, Heaven nobody knows Stanford, nobody knows what's gonna

674
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: become of any of these guys. So you you play

675
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: both sides, you tell the whole story, and you let

676
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: the cards fall where they may. So this is a

677
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: good teeing off point, though, because I think there is

678
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: a couple of guys every year, as you mentioned, that

679
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: just stick around as guys that I just love and

680
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm gonna love throughout. So I think that

681
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: maybe I should give some names, right. I think there's

682
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: a couple of guys here that I love from the beginning.

683
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: To be fair, I think js N is one jays

684
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 1: Ends one of them one hundred percent my number one

685
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: graded wider's here from the jump. I have loved j

686
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: Send the entire time. I was. I just needed to

687
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: see it in the combine to believe that it was

688
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: real to do, to believe in myself in my eyes

689
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: that I was like I am seeing what I am seeing.

690
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: I think I've been on Christian Gonzalez pretty high for

691
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: the most part the whole time as well, and I

692
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: do love Skoronski. Scarnsky would I would draft him at tackle.

693
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: I play him at tackle fourteen fourteen. I don't want

694
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: to hear it about arm length. Look at the guy's feet,

695
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: look at the guy's makeup, Look at the guy's ability

696
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: to move people off the line of scrimmage in the

697
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: run game. I think he plays a great technique. I

698
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: think he has great feet. I think it's great athleticism.

699
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: If you're gonna get caught up in things like arm length,

700
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: are gonna be here for a long time, right, Like

701
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: every single guy has one of those blemishes on his

702
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: draft card. And that's why nobody's a sure thing. It's

703
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: why everybody's got something, even the top prospects, like even

704
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: Will Anderson has something that is like I don't love

705
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: this about his game though, right, like everybody, you can

706
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: do that about every single player. So I think those

707
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: three guys Scarronsky, Jason Gonzalez are one, one and one

708
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: on my board. I would say Scronsky is my number

709
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: one tackle, but just a guy that I believe in.

710
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: You're it's always gonna be I like the last player

711
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: I watched, and also Peter Scronsky and Jordans. Yeah, so

712
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: this so the one guy that is totally recency Evan

713
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: recency bias is Laporta from Iowa. You are really into

714
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: Nat Laporta lately. I love Laporta. I love him until

715
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: you watch Za Coons. Yeah, and then I you know,

716
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to use the comp on on Patriots

717
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: dot Com. All right, it's athletics, very It's a very athletic, quick,

718
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: sudden tight end. Hopefully you kind of get my gist.

719
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: I love Laporta. That's a recency bias one one hundred

720
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: and ten percent. I've been looking at the back end

721
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: of that tight end, you know, Schoonmaker, Coonsuporta like that

722
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: part of the tight end class, and I'm gravitating towards

723
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: the part. So here's the thing, though, because you don't

724
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: talk about draft prospects until February so year, so I'm

725
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: playing catch up the whole time, but not you don't

726
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: have any history. It's my point. I've been in on

727
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: Josh Down since September. I've been in on Duwan Jones

728
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: since September. I've in on Jordan Battle, Jake Moody. I

729
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: wrote about these guys in September. The point being, those

730
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: are my guys that like, that's my like, those are

731
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: guys that I'll keep coming. So to bring this all

732
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: home full disclosure, Bradley, who just called in is one

733
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: of our very talented and he ruined video guys. Okay,

734
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: so he's he's somebody that works with us, and I

735
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: keep on telling him that he needs to pull up

736
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: a chair and sit at the mic because he knows

737
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: about as much college football as you do. Alex, Like

738
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: he's he's in a whiz when it comes to college football.

739
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: Went to TCU, worked at TCU for a little while,

740
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: so he's a he's a frog. Every Body upstairs except

741
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: for you likes college football. Oh yeah, he does. He

742
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: does a ton and we watched the combine together. You

743
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: guys got to start like holding him to the mat

744
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more with college football. All right, let's

745
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: let's get through the rest of these calls. Phil Natick,

746
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: what's up, Phil? Yeah, thank the question. Past. I thought,

747
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: I hear you say that you call guarantee that Matt

748
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: grow did not make the coal Strange pick, which actually

749
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: made me happy because I think it was the Selm

750
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: pick at the time, and I hate to think he's

751
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: in charge of things so much he didn't do it.

752
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Who did okay. So I just want to preface this

753
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: very clearly. I have no inside information on this that

754
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: I have not concrete one hundred percent sure that was

755
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: just like a take of mind. But with that being said,

756
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: the coal Strange pick feels like a Bill pick. To me,

757
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: it feels like a Bill Belichick pick. They needed a guard.

758
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: He I think, looks at it, at least recently based

759
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: off his recent draft record of what's the biggest hole

760
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: on my roster right now, regardless a position, if we

761
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: had to go out and play a game on Sunday,

762
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: where would I feel the worst about on my team?

763
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: I think he felt it was guard. What I think

764
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: does happen a little bit in this process as I

765
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: have gotten to know some of the process and the

766
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: people involved a little bit more is I do think

767
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: that Grow is the one that's doing the fact finding

768
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: right Like, I think that in a lot of ways,

769
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 1: Grow comes to Bill and says, here's one hundred guys

770
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: that we really like, and then Bill goes through the

771
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: film himself and then he ends up picking the guys

772
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: that he prefers in that group of one hundred. So

773
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: I personally think that the guy always always when it

774
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: comes to the draft, the guy that has the finals, say,

775
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: is Bill Belichick. I I don't think that anybody else

776
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: is in control except for Train Nixon. That was Ernie Adams.

777
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the final, we're handing in

778
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: the card to the league, this is who we're taking.

779
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: I still think that the buck starts stops with Bill

780
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: Belichick and always will as long as he's the head coach.

781
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: I hope that answers your question. He had just traded

782
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: check Nation Bason to get a sixth round pick, and

783
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: now they're sending it on a guy that everyone else

784
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: thought would be a third round choice out of chat Nubi. Yeah. No, totally, Phil,

785
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: and and that was my whole thing with and thanks

786
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: for the call. That was my whole thing with the

787
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: cold Strange pick from the beginning was everybody. I think

788
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: I'd misconstrued that I was going off about. It has

789
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Cole Strange, right, It just has

790
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that you're trying to compete

791
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: with Buffalo in Cincinnati, in Kansas City and Miami, and

792
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: now you're trying to compete potentially with the Jets if

793
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: they get Aaron Rodgers and you're taking guards from Chattanooga

794
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: in the first round of the draft, like they just

795
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: need to move the needle more than that, and that

796
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: was my entire thing, all right, William and fill them.

797
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: What's up, will what's going on? How do you doing?

798
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing well? Thanks for calling in, okay, Um, I

799
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: just want to say, then to your partner in crime,

800
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: make Alex. I'm also a fan of y'all. I've been

801
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: watching us since y'all was on like doing YouTube and whatnot,

802
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: and now you big time there because I have the

803
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: catch going too, and you know, I'm just a big

804
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: fan of both of y'all. Thank you. Keep the good

805
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: work up. And uh my question now so much a questions. Basically,

806
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm I just want a piggy bank off of what

807
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: you just said. Emman, So are you just a little

808
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: bit worried too about you know, even though Bill gets

809
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: the last same whennot? Are you just a little bit

810
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: worried this this year for this giraffe and also free

811
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: to see of who bills when I'm bringing in. Yeah,

812
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: I'm not as worried about free agency because I think

813
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: free agency, we know who these players are in the

814
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: league for the most part. Yeah, I think one of

815
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: the biggest things with the free agency class a couple

816
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: of years ago is that they for a guy like

817
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: Johnny Smith, for example, Johnny Smith has been the same

818
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: guy that he was in Tennessee for the Patriots pretty

819
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: much right, Like, I don't. I just think that they

820
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: thought that there was more untapped potential and more upside

821
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: there that there might not like his stats besides maybe

822
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: touchdowns which he had that one big touchdown season with

823
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: the Titans, that have been pretty consistent throughout his entire career.

824
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: What are you smirking about that? So? I got something

825
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: from a source here, Evan, a source called Bradley Amos.

826
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: I got something from a source. Who's your call for

827
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: duce Wan in this drafts? Fawn? Yeah? I don't remember

828
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: what Kansas State they're running back? Yeah? Yeah, I know

829
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: who does, Fawn, because I don't remember what I said.

830
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: Did you did you ask them about Darren Sproles? I

831
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: probably did. Yeah, they're like very close. Yeah. So I

832
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: watched a single Kansas State game this year. You know that.

833
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: But these are the things you don't see. So free agency,

834
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm not as worried about. To get back to the

835
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: point free agency, I'm not so worried about the draft.

836
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: I'm still worried about. I'm still worried about because when

837
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: they in twenty twenty one, they went with the chalk Draft,

838
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: like is what I like to call it, Mac Jones,

839
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore, Perkins, Ormandre Now don't Perkins hasn't worked out yet.

840
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: But we're talking about Alabama Oklahoma, like big time programs,

841
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: guys that we know, names that we know. But then

842
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: they also had the Dugger Draft and they had the

843
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: cold Strange Draft. So I'm not sure where we're going

844
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: out the draft. Well, it's every other year at this point,

845
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: so this year is a big school year, right, No,

846
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I would say I think as and this

847
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: isn't even like a Patriots thing. If you're fan of

848
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: any team and you feel great about your team going

849
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: into the draft, like two months ahead, you're kidding yourself.

850
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: It's can I say go ahead? Okay? Yeah, OKAYU just

851
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: uh just I got to break this down and basically

852
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: two ways. So this is from both of y'all. So Alex,

853
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: I like, um, the right I think is he a

854
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: right tackle? When from Ohio State Dewan Juwan Jones, Yeah,

855
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm with you all the way with him, Okay, Evan,

856
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Won't JSN he is, Oh my god,

857
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: he's not. Oh yeah the Ohio State fan or yes,

858
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: there we go, Yeah, there we go. Yeah one of them. Yeah,

859
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: thanks for calling in, gentlemen, thanks for calling in. Hey, look,

860
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: I Jason's just he he looks the part. He's he's

861
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: a good looker. You know. You look at the route running,

862
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: you look at the quickness. I've always said that I

863
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: think that what the Patriots should do. And this is

864
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: where I think they've readed the problems with the wide

865
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: receiver position at the top of the draft. And I'm

866
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: not ready to up on Taikwon yet either, but I'm

867
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: throwing Taikwon in that as well. I've always said that

868
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: the Patriots should look for first round Julian Edelman, Like

869
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: who's the Who's the guy that has a lot of

870
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: the same traits as Julian Edelman? But is somebody that

871
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: has that first round pedigree in that first round talent?

872
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: And I look at a guy like JSON and isn't

873
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: that that's JSN too? It Okay, but so let me

874
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: ask you, this is that guy in the draft every year?

875
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't fair point. I don't know that there's

876
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: a player that fits that mold better than JSN, since

877
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean, when could we realistically have started having this

878
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: conversation twenty twenty. Yeah, I don't think that he fit

879
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: the mold exactly as to how I just described it. Yea,

880
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: And I get that it's easy to say in hindsight,

881
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: but you remember, like Justin Jefferson it's different. But I

882
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: think Justin Jefferson was. I see a lot of the

883
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: suddenness and the change of direction at at six feet tall.

884
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: For JSN, I think Justin Jeffersons might be like six

885
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: walking up a little bit bigger. But I see both

886
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: of them the way that they move is very similar.

887
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Let's even do this. Edelman was still here in twenty twenty,

888
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: so realistically you start having that conversation in twenty twenty one.

889
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: Maybe Cadarius Tony, but he's not quite like he's more

890
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 1: different play He's more like a gadgety shifty guys. Right, Yeah,

891
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean JSN, none of the guys really last year.

892
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they weren't going to have a shot at

893
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: a law they maybe it was Cras right, That's the

894
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: other thing I think with JSN is that you are

895
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: in a position in this draft to take them, like

896
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: I right, in other drafts you might not have been

897
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: they made the playoffs, JSN wouldn't have been in playing right,

898
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: So you're actually in position to take them. But that's

899
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: I've always said that about receivers with the Patriots, and

900
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: that's why I haven't been super in on Quentin Johnston.

901
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: For them is just you know the type of receiver

902
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: that works for you, right, like you know the type

903
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: of body type, the type of movement, the type of

904
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: route running, the position that he plays, Like, go out

905
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: and yet Dion Branch again, like Deon Branch was a

906
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: second round pick, right, you go out again? Okay, could you?

907
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: Because obviously Julian Edelman is a lofty, lofty comparison, You're

908
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: same take, but replace Julian Edelman with Jacobe Myers. So

909
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: I think that Jason is Jacobe Myers with higher upside,

910
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: all right, Like he's with higher physical specimen, type of tools, right,

911
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: And that's the whole that's what I'm chasing. I'm not chasing,

912
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, DK Metcalf, Like I'm not chasing like the

913
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: next great outside receiver. I'm chasing the guy that I'd say,

914
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: this is the fit, this is a match, this is

915
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 1: exactly what you want in a Patriot receiver. And that's

916
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: the guy. And I think that he's gonna be right

917
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: there for him to take him too, So I would

918
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: be disappointed that they pass it on him. Let's see

919
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: who they take, right, If they take somebody that I

920
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: like to, I won't be that to. I still feel like,

921
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: I mean it's close, maybe fifty five five. I still think,

922
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, if I had to choose right now, is

923
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: he on the board of fourteen come that night, I

924
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: don't think he is. Yeah. I hope you're wrong, because

925
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: I hope they take them all, right, Jonathan, what's up, Jonathan?

926
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: What do you ultimately think the Patriots will do in

927
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: the off season comes to signing players and drafting players

928
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: as a very broad question, I mean, that's the whole show.

929
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: You're right, that's what we're doing here. But I going

930
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: to use it as a transition, Jonathan, And thanks for

931
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: the call. We never did our three down with the combine.

932
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: We did it down, we didn't do down. I know

933
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to it. I do want to pose

934
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: a couple of questions that we can answer a little

935
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: bit more quickly that Jonathan, you know, just kind of

936
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: teaed up for us here. So the first I have

937
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: some burning questions about free agency, all right, and I

938
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: sent you these ahead of time so that you could

939
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: you could preps some answers here because it's very little specific,

940
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: all right. So the first burning question for free agency

941
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: that I have is what is your max contract for

942
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers? Like, what's the ceiling that you're willing to

943
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: offer Jacoby Myers to come back to the Patriots twelve

944
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: million a year? So I'm at that three for thirty

945
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: seven and a half, which is like twelve and a

946
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: half million a year, three for twelve and a half. Obviously,

947
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: I you know, the guarantees and all that kind of

948
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: stuff is beyond my math capabilities right now. But something

949
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: around there, And I just want to put it out

950
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: there because and you can agree with me or disagree

951
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: with me, but I think some people take that as

952
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Yeah, So that's not a lot

953
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: of money anymore. Where I'm getting twelve million from is

954
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: Phil Perry reported the expected range for Myers is twelve

955
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: million to fifteen million, right, That's where where I'm at.

956
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: So that's where the twelve comes from. I look, I

957
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: think Jacobe's a really talented player, but that Belichick is

958
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: a I love to use. It's not about collecting talent,

959
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: it's about building a team. Right. They need more explosion

960
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: right out of the wide receiver spot in the reality.

961
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: And look, you could add an explosive player and bring

962
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: Jacoby back, but there's only so many snaps to go around.

963
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: Now you have new wide receiver, you have Jacoby Myers.

964
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: I can't do another year for them not playing Kendrick Borne, Right,

965
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: you got well as because say Thornton, who self develop

966
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: you have to play. Maybe DeVante Parker's a candidate come

967
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: to But like that's the way I look at it

968
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: is that you come out of the summer feeling this

969
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: is our top three. Yeah, right, it's number one receiver,

970
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: it's Jacobe, it's your number three guys between those three

971
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: star Born and Tai Kwon. Yeah, and then you keep

972
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: one as your fourth guy in case somebody gets hurt,

973
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: obviously for depth, and then the fifth guy ends up

974
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: being a casualty. I guess you could. I just it's

975
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: it's a lot of snaps to go around. It's a

976
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: lot of money because you gotta pay. I guess if

977
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: you draft JSN, it's different, but you can't really if

978
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: you draft JSN and signed Jakobe Myers, can you have

979
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: both of those guys in the field, those two so

980
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: it And I know it sounds dumb to say he's

981
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: a good player, but does he fit on the depth chart?

982
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: But there's only let me give you what what Deuce says,

983
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: which I think is spot on. He moves the chains, yeah,

984
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: but he doesn't move the needle. Yeah, it's not even that.

985
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: I just and there's a room for that guy on

986
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: your team, right, but there's only so many snaps to

987
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: go around for everybody. Yeah, and you want to be

988
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: efficient and you want to have pieces that fit together.

989
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: And I just think it's really tough if you bring

990
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: back to Kobe Myers to then figure out how you're

991
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: still adding that explosive piece unless it's purely banking on

992
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton taking that next step. Yeah, I just think

993
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: that I look at it, and sorry, I would add too, Like,

994
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: all right, so that's twelve million. Let's say they trade

995
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: for Hawkins, it's another eighteen million. Call it against the cap.

996
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: Eighteen nineteen against the cap. Right, So that's now almost

997
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: forty million, right, wide receiver in real dollars, not in

998
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: cap dollars necessarily, but in really Okay, but the point

999
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: it's like, let's call like seven million a cap for Myers.

1000
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: It's so light. Take that seven million, put it. You're

1001
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: you're already investing a lot of money in wide receiver.

1002
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: I'd rather take that seven million put it somewhere else. Yeah, right,

1003
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: that's totally fair. I just think that you have to

1004
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: look at it. If you're the Patriots, I do think

1005
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: you need to look at using two premium assets of

1006
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: yours on receivers. I don't think it has to be

1007
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: two if you get this right kind of wide receiver.

1008
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: I just think that it has to be a first

1009
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: round pick or a top fifty pick, I should say.

1010
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: And I would want to use some cap space on

1011
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: a receiver too. Okay, well, but that can be like

1012
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: that could be like Hopkins right where you trade Hopkins

1013
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: is the same guy. Okay, but let me ask you this.

1014
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: So you're saying premium pick, how would you feel about

1015
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: Hopkins and like Kim Jerry or Hopkins and Charlie Jones, Right, No,

1016
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring up Charlie Jones because that might

1017
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: be the slot guy, right, you know, that might be

1018
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: the guy. I wouldn't call that a premium pick. No,

1019
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily either. You know, I've been on laport.

1020
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: I'll continue with like, maybe he's the you know, you

1021
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: drop a tight end, that's a chain mover, right, you

1022
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: know something like that. I'm totally four of those scenarios.

1023
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, so you don't have to use two premium messages.

1024
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: I guess, well, if you're training for Hopkins, you're using

1025
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: the top fifty and you're using caps. Okay, I get

1026
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I say, okay, you need to use

1027
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: two assets, but you don't need it doesn't need to

1028
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: be two players. Okay, I would agree with you on that. Yeah, okay,

1029
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: next one here. I actually really like this free agent

1030
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: tackle class, Like I think I really like it OT class.

1031
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, of course, would you rather would you

1032
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: a nice would you rather do? Would you rather pay

1033
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: a right tackle? McGlinchey, McGarry, Juwan Taylor? A couple of

1034
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: good options there. Would you rather pay or right tackle?

1035
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: Or draft or right tackle? Well, the right tackle in

1036
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: the draft is Dwan Jones. Everybody knows how I feel

1037
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: about that's the question. Though, This is why I asked

1038
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: to pose the question, because it's a good question. Well, Okay,

1039
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: if they are only going to add one tackle, I

1040
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: would rather them draft because Trent on the left side,

1041
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: Dwan Jones on the right side, Like, if that's it,

1042
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: but I would rather I'm very much on record, right

1043
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: So Doo signed win draft one, I would much rather

1044
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: than you know, add two. If that's the case, I'd

1045
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: rather sign on the right side because I think it's

1046
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: much easier to draft a left tackle. I also just

1047
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: so I'm actually in on this right tackle free agency

1048
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: class because I think that what you do there is

1049
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: you get a guy that you don't necessarily need to

1050
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: coach up or touch too much, right, and then you

1051
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about developing bulls how much you

1052
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: need to coach up Duan Jones. I think that at

1053
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: least he's a rookie that's gonna have to learn something,

1054
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, it's not like he's If it's not

1055
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: Duwan Jones, yes, just pay a guy at that point. Okay,

1056
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: So I guess my answer is unless it's Duan Jones,

1057
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: I'd rather pay, or I'd rather pay draft like Darnell

1058
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: Right from Tennessee. I would, I mean I would, but

1059
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: I would rather pay. So I actually liked the idea

1060
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: of paying the right tackle because a I think you

1061
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: get it for a little bit less, a little more

1062
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: value up and then the left tackle, and I still

1063
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: think it's a premium position. And then in the draft

1064
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: he maybe you go after an Handtime Harrison, maybe you

1065
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: go after Trent Brown, maybe holds the position as a

1066
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: bridge to Jalen Duncan or a Bergeron or somebody like

1067
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: that that's more of a Day two tackle option. So

1068
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: that I'm all in on this right tackle class, I'd

1069
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: like to see them make a swing at right tackle.

1070
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 1: I would. I think that the guy that I would

1071
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: prefer them the most. I'm really I'm gravitating towards Juwan

1072
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: Taylor more by the day. I just think he's younger.

1073
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: I think he checks a lot of boxes for them

1074
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: in terms of what they look for in tackles. The

1075
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: one hang up that I have is that he's known

1076
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: to be a better pass blocker than a run blocker. No,

1077
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: he's a better pass blocker. Really, he thinks, Yeah, better

1078
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: pass blocker, and if on the right side, they typically

1079
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: go with the bulldozers over there, right, So is that

1080
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: change up do they? Well? I don't like the idea

1081
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: of signing a guy to a huge contract and then

1082
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: flipping him. Yeah, you can't do that. You can't mess right,

1083
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: you just did that. We saw how that right, So

1084
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: he's a right tackle, and then I think I left tackle,

1085
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: you do have Trent yeah, and then you do maybe

1086
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: have Anton Harrison, Jalen Duncan, like one of these guys

1087
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: that you don't need to put the pressure on that

1088
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: he needs to start right away. Well, that's that's where

1089
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: like a guy like darnelt Right's interesting because do you

1090
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: draft It's essentially what they did with Nate Solder. Do

1091
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: you draft darnelt Right as you because he can play

1092
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: both sides? Yeah, he has played ball, right, So do

1093
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: you draft darnel Right as your long term left tackle?

1094
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: But he's also if you need him to fill in

1095
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: on the right side in his rookie year, right, he

1096
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: can do that as well. Okay, but I think we're

1097
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: both that's Solder Volmer. They did that with one of

1098
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: those guys. Solder Volmer got hurt, right, yeah. I think

1099
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: we're both though in pretty lock step that we would

1100
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: be pretty pleased if they paid a right tackle in

1101
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: free agency or pay a tackle. I should say, yeah,

1102
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: I just don't love the idea of Orlando Brown because

1103
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: I think, well, then if if they're not paying Orlando Brown,

1104
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: it's a right tack, right And that's why I'm in

1105
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: on the right unless you're like super and on Donovan Smith,

1106
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: because I think that they're going to have to pay

1107
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: through the roof for Orlando Brown because he's by far

1108
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: and away the best left tackle, and free agency and

1109
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: a free agency that's not stocked with left how do

1110
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: you have second Isaiah Win or Donovan Smith or I

1111
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: guess Taylor Lawe. We can throw him in there. I think, Donna.

1112
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: The problem that I have with Donovan Smith and Taylor

1113
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: l Wan is you already have Trent Brown. So if

1114
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: you're if you're going with a guy that's gonna be

1115
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: holding down the position for a year or two, Like,

1116
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: don't you already have that guy on the roster that's

1117
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: been in the system, that's been in the purpose. I

1118
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: guess the ideas you can save seven million if you

1119
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: cut Trent Brown, if you can turn it into a

1120
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: net gain financially. I still think that maybe not in

1121
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: the Lawan, but I still think Donovan Smith is gonna

1122
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: get some money. I think he is still I'm just asking.

1123
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm just asking, yeah, if you want, And I also

1124
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to illustrate that after we're Lando Brown,

1125
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: that's the next group is Donovan Smith, Taylor Lawan, and

1126
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win. Right now, pff is Isaiah Win is the

1127
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: second best left tackle win free agencies. If you want

1128
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: to sell me on, he's gonna get what was the

1129
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: tweet like at least five million or something whatever that

1130
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 1: If you want to sell me on, we're gonna signed

1131
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: Donovan Smith in free agency. Yeah, we're gonna flip trend

1132
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: back to right tackle, and then we're gonna draft a

1133
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: tackle and whoever that tackle lands is where he lands

1134
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: left or right, I'm I'm okay with daddy. Like let's

1135
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 1: say maybe it's it's got a left tackle that you're drafting,

1136
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna bitch that

1137
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: gap with Donovan Smith so he doesn't have to play

1138
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: as a rookie, you know. Or you can say the

1139
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: same thing about the right side with Trent all Right,

1140
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: last free agency question here, then we'll get to our

1141
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: downs from the combine. Who is the Stefan Gilmour like

1142
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: splash that you could see the Patriots making because they

1143
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: have a very similar cap situation as that twenty What

1144
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: was that twenty seventeen offseason right going into it when eighteen?

1145
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: Was it eighteen or seventeen? Oh no, it was seventeen seventeen.

1146
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: They have a very similar cap situation where I think

1147
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: that they can make one big swing on a free

1148
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: agent at some point, like a Stefan gilmore ye Day

1149
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: one free agent type. Who's the guy in this class

1150
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: that you could see them doing? So? I think it's

1151
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: either Mike McGlinchey you just talked about or Jesse Bates.

1152
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: I could see them, especially if Devon retires, just throwing

1153
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: a bag at a safety and maybe it's Jordan Poy

1154
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: or like I should say position because it's interesting the

1155
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: two positions. I think they do that tackle in safety, Yeah,

1156
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna have options, right McGlinchey, Taylor at right tackle,

1157
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: even Kayla McGarry if you want to throw them in there,

1158
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: and then it's safety Jesse Bates Vaughan Bell, Jordan pom

1159
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: On Thornton would be another guy. Right, So it somebody

1160
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: at one of those positions. And this is me not

1161
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: really answering the question again, welcome to the show. But

1162
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: somebody at one of those two posts. I don't mind

1163
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: safety because I think that that's probably a pretty good

1164
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: market value. Like, I don't think you're gonna have to

1165
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: give a safety twenty million dollars a year. And honestly,

1166
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: I also just don't love putting a rookie safety in

1167
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: that spot of leaves. I think that's a massive ask. Yeah,

1168
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: if Devin ends up retiring, I'm all with you on

1169
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: Jesse Bates. I think that that would be the guy

1170
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: that they go after. But I'm with that. Mean we

1171
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: get to have tracks on the show. Yeah, absolute love.

1172
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: I love Tremade Edmonds for them too, Okay, I'm in

1173
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: on Tremade Edmonds. I think the best part about them

1174
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: going after a guy light Tremade. First of all, it

1175
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: gives you that second level defender that they have sort

1176
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: of tried to get but have never really gone all.

1177
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm also all four just sealing players from the bills

1178
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: and that, and it's Stefan Gilmour's like comparisons are parallels

1179
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: because it's all over, it's gonna be the same thing

1180
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: because then Bills fans have to pretend they never said

1181
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: the player was good even though they did. So. Tremade

1182
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: Edmunds has been good for Buffalo. I don't I think

1183
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: that there's another level that he can reach. Maybe Bill

1184
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: Belichick gets it out of him, which would be just

1185
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: a cherry on top to the fact that you have

1186
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: tremade Edmunds. We've all wanted that second level athletic linebacker, right,

1187
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: and he brings that to the table. And I love

1188
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: the idea of pairing him with Juwan Bentley. Yeah, because

1189
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: Jawan Bentley is just your your lunch pale guy, right,

1190
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: He's just to do your job, fill the gap and

1191
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,479
Speaker 1: hit people, type of mold tremaide. Edmonds now is free

1192
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: to just fly around, right, like, don't worry about you know,

1193
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: our numbers in the box, don't worry about the fit,

1194
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: don't worry about any like just sea ball, get ball,

1195
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: because Jawan Bentley is going to be the guy that's

1196
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: going to be in the right spot every single time.

1197
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: So I love that pairing with each other. And I

1198
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: just think that if you look at where he was drafted,

1199
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: early draft pick, great size, great athleticism, plays one of

1200
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: those Belichick positions that I still think he believes in

1201
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: is important middle linebacker, even though it's de valued across

1202
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: the league. And maybe because it is a little bit

1203
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: de valued across the league, you're not looking at twenty

1204
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: million dollars a year for Tremaine Edmonds. Maybe he comes

1205
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: in closer to fifteen or sixteen million dollars a year.

1206
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm all for that move. I like that Jesse Bates

1207
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: one too, though. If that ends up being the case

1208
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: with Devon, let me ask you that one more free agent,

1209
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: because there's actually a lot of people talking about him

1210
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: in the chat right now, and it was I was

1211
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: interested when I saw this this morning. Braxton Barrios just

1212
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: got cut by the Jet. Yeah. Look, I think he's

1213
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: not the answer. He's not the guy that you bring

1214
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: in to solve all your problems. But if he ends

1215
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: up being here in camp next summer and he's competing

1216
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: for one of those back end of the roster receiver spots,

1217
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: he can contribute in the kicking game. He can sort

1218
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: of back up Marcus Jones, Like maybe you know you

1219
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: don't want Marcus Jones returning every single kickoff, right because

1220
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: he's burnt out a little bit. You throw him back

1221
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: there every couple of tries as well, and he maybe

1222
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: involves into that slot the Jets thought he was going

1223
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, the Jets paid him, you know, to

1224
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: be that guy. How would you feel if he was

1225
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: the Jacoby Myers replacement if they went out traded for

1226
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins and then signed Practicon Burrios. Sure, I'm for it.

1227
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean I would probably rather than try to go

1228
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: with a little bit more upside and draft somebody well

1229
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: and then maybe they take like Damarrio Douglas in the six. Yeah, No,

1230
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm all for Brackton Burrios Coqueback, how about you. Yeah,

1231
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: I think that he probably had some on tap potential

1232
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: in New York. I think it's tough to graide any

1233
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: of those wide receivers because Zach Wilson was such a mess. Yeah,

1234
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: I actually think there's some on tap potential he's I

1235
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't I'd want it to be incentive heavy if they

1236
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: paid him, but like I wouldn't be afraid to maybe,

1237
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, go to the bargaining go to the m

1238
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: negotiating table with him a little bit. Yeah, so Braxon

1239
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: Barrios too when they drafted Garrett Wilson. Garrett Wilson plays

1240
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: like the Z plays a little bit of inside, a

1241
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: little bit of outside. So I think there was some

1242
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: overlap there too. And then if you're gonna plan on

1243
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: keeping Elijah more happy and in the building, there's something

1244
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: even more overlap with the guy like Elijah Moore. So

1245
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: I think he ended up just being phased out more

1246
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: than anything by those two guys. And I think he

1247
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: can still play in the league. I think he's a

1248
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: little bit better than than you know, the gunner Roschefski

1249
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: is on offense. I think he can actually contribute to

1250
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: your offense a little bit at receiver. Yeah. I don't

1251
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: think that's a bad move at all. As a depth,

1252
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: I let's call it an insurance policy to Jakobe Myers,

1253
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: right if if you don't resigned Jkobe, all right, three

1254
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: down or wrap it up here back to the combine,

1255
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: a little bit all over the play. It's what we got.

1256
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: We got. The plane landed here three down from the combine.

1257
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned it earlier. I went all receivers, all receivers

1258
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: three down all receivers. The biggest one that we have

1259
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: to talk about Jordan Addison, who for Pittsburgh Steeler Jordan

1260
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: as I still like to a degree in the second round, Like,

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01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: if he's there at forty six, I think you definitely

1262
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: take it right in, assuming you don't take a receiver

1263
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: in the first round, of course, but he tested like

1264
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: a very very mediocre athlete. And then when you watch

1265
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: him play, especially at USC, I don't know if there's

1266
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: another gear on the film either, right, Like, I don't

1267
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: think that this is a guy I remember writing in

1268
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: my notes when I was watching him that he doesn't

1269
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: have breakaway speed necessarily, He's not a true burner. You

1270
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: ran a four four nine. It was better than the

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01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: second run was better than the first round, right. I

1272
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: think the first round came in in the four or five.

1273
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: I think it was like four or five two or something. Yeah,

1274
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: and then the second run was a little bit quicker.

1275
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: I just I don't think that Jordan Addison is in

1276
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: the conversation with the fourteenth overall pick anymore. I think

1277
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: he's at earliest gonna be a guy that starts maybe

1278
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: around the twenty fifth pick of the first round. I

1279
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: no longer aim taking him at fourteen. I look at

1280
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: the Ravens at twenty two. If they bring Lamar back,

1281
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: I think that's probably like the earliest spot for him.

1282
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: But I think there is an argument now between him

1283
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: and Jalen Hyatt. Yeah, if that's what you're looking for,

1284
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: So that could push him down. Okay, So well, Jenn

1285
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: highs on my list too, So all right, we might

1286
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: disagree on that one. All right, second one, Jalen High,

1287
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: So to be fair, I'll let's go. Let's just second one.

1288
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: A big part of his overall evaluation is production, so

1289
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't change at the combine. Didn't change it the combine.

1290
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: I still think that I trust him as I do

1291
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: not like Jalen. I don't like him at all. I

1292
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: still trust him as a guy to take the top off.

1293
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you, blasting Rocky top. If the Patriots

1294
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: draft Jalen Hyatt four to four for a burner for

1295
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: your vertical take the top off the defense threat, I

1296
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: can't have that. At least Taekwon ran a four to

1297
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: eight like you know, Like, at least Taekwon's got that

1298
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: got got track speed like Dalen Hyatt's got above average

1299
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: NFL speed for a receiver. He's right there with Zay Flowers.

1300
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: You know, four to four is not that's not legitimate,

1301
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: like oh god, you know type of speed right right,

1302
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: that's just above average NFL speed with the route running

1303
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: concerns I've had about him, with the translation to the

1304
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: NFL game that I've had from going from that offense

1305
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, which is like basically like gimmicky Madden stuff.

1306
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: You go to that, you run a four to four,

1307
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: you come in at like what was he like one

1308
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five pounds something like that. I'm just

1309
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: all out on him. I'm all out. I've been all

1310
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: out the whole time. And the fact that he didn't

1311
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: run fast, I'm even more all out. That's fair. The

1312
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: last one is gonna hurt you, like I know what well,

1313
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: I think we have overlap here. It's fair, it's fair.

1314
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: He did not have a good concept. Keshan Boute. Oh no,

1315
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: that's not who it was. But that's it's not inaccurate.

1316
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: But that's not who I was thinking. Keishan Boute like

1317
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: might be a UFA. He he's off, he's off my boarding,

1318
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: he's off the horrible testing. That's that's why we do

1319
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: the combine horrible testing. Obviously had the issues off the field.

1320
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: At the end of his LSU ten yearn came in undersized,

1321
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: came in under I think he's he might be a DFA.

1322
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna fall that far because I

1323
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: think a team will just look at the LSU pedigree

1324
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: at wide receiver and say, on day three, will take

1325
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: a shot. Yeah, maybe it's day three he's gonna get drafted.

1326
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I so much for my master plan of

1327
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: getting him at forty six. Yeah no, that was that's well,

1328
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm gone, all right, So I thought you were gonna

1329
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: say Tank Dell, he's another guy. Um really did not

1330
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: U pop the way I wanted him too. We knew

1331
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: he was gonna come at small five eight, one sixty five,

1332
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: but a four four nine didn't run any of the

1333
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: agility drills, which isn't super encouraging. Yeah, I and considering

1334
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: some other slock guys tested much better than I expected

1335
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: them to. Charlie Jones or Kim Jarrett or in that

1336
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: same range. Right again, it's that sorting out thing. Yeah, yeah,

1337
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: Tank Dell. You know I had Tank Dell above them

1338
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: coming in. I now moved him down below them and

1339
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: below some other guys too, So I thought Tank Dell's

1340
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: an ever great showing the other two and Evan. You know,

1341
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: this kills me because it's been two years for me

1342
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: with both of these guys, Demarvi and over shown and

1343
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: Henry to Toe. Look, I still think they're good players.

1344
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: I still think they have a chance in the NFL.

1345
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: But you watch both players it overshone specifically, you watch

1346
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: over shown on tape, and his athleticism, his explosiveness looks

1347
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: like his carrying trait. And he didn't have bad numbers,

1348
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: but I thought he was going to test like in

1349
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: that upper percentile. The NFL dot Com does like a

1350
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: collective athleticism score. They had him as the eleventh best

1351
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: linebacker out of like twenty something, which isn't bad, but

1352
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: it's not what I expect him to be in the

1353
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: top five. R Right, He's a guy you thought was

1354
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: going to come out, jump through the roof, you know,

1355
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: crush the forty. All of that toe Toe came in

1356
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: sixteenth at linebacker Rana four to six two. Now I

1357
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: would call his athleticism his second trade. I still think

1358
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: his football, like Q is what I really like. But

1359
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, a guy who I thought maybe at forty

1360
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: six now I think is more in that third round conversation,

1361
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: especially when you had some guys like you know I,

1362
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: I had them, you know, toe toe oh and overshown

1363
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: like one group above guys like Servassi A Dennis Oh

1364
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: when Papo. Now right now I'm thinking, I like, maybe

1365
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: I flipped that. Yeah. So although Anthrey Orgy, a guy

1366
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: we like, also had a good maybe he moves into that.

1367
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: The only guy that I that I came away really

1368
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: liking from this linebacker class is Jack Hampbell and the

1369
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: rest of them I just can do without, Like not

1370
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: Trent and Simpson. I'm not a big Trent and Simpson guy.

1371
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: But from what like everybody else seemed very impressed. I

1372
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: thought he was just talking to some people in Indie

1373
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: that know a little bit more college football than me,

1374
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: like yourself. He switched positions. I guess that colemes In

1375
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: so his last year, because that was my biggest thing

1376
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: was I was like, he looks, he looks tentative, he

1377
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: looks a little bit of a step slow, like his

1378
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: instincts had just like let it loose. Right, because I

1379
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: know he's athletic, but his instincts had just kind of

1380
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: hit the trigger and go just weren't exactly there. And

1381
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: I think maybe it had to do with the position switch,

1382
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: Like maybe that's why he wasn't quite as instinctive on

1383
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: film from his last year. So maybe if they draft him,

1384
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: I gotta go and look at the sow was at

1385
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: the sophomore table. To be fair, there is something to

1386
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: be said for the position change guys that they have

1387
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: more upside. Yeah, it's it's kind of a glass half full,

1388
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: glass half empty. They are going to be more raw,

1389
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: because of course they are. They haven't played the position

1390
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: as much. But the idea is, if he's at this

1391
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: point having played the position for a year and he's

1392
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: this far along compared to guys who have played it

1393
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: their whole lives, all right, maybe there's some room to grow.

1394
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: How you want to look at it. So the year before,

1395
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: if I if I have this correct, the year before,

1396
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: I believe he played the mic and then last year

1397
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: he played more of that overhang slot type week side

1398
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: linebacker type of role. So he's a little bit more

1399
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: in space last year, which we'll see how that ends up. Translating.

1400
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: But Jack Campbell's the one guy that I feel like

1401
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 1: checks every box in terms of linebacker play, athletic, big,

1402
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: can move around. He tested really well. Maybe I gotta

1403
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 1: go back and watch it. He doesn't like I call

1404
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: him explosive but not athletic. Yeah, he tested really well.

1405
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: He tested really well in the agilities too, but better. Yeah.

1406
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: Not maybe not as like miss Ellie, you know, in

1407
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,799
Speaker 1: a straight line, but uh but similar to that. Henry

1408
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: To too, though, I standing with him at the podium.

1409
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: I talked to him a little bit and the inter

1410
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: he's pretty small too. On top of it, you know,

1411
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: he didn't stand out him in six one two twenty seven.

1412
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: I thought he'd be bigger than that. That's another thing. Yeah,

1413
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: he did not exactly fill out the old sweatshirt. I

1414
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: mean again, the idea with him is that that's a

1415
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: drafts m right there. Didn't fill out the sweat It

1416
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: didn't fill out the whole time. I think the idea

1417
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: with henrite To is you're trying to get the guy

1418
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: like Cam mcgroan, mac Wilson, Rake icil. It's another shot

1419
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: at that player. You're not drafting him to be big.

1420
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: But I thought he'd come in at least two thirty.

1421
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: I think overshone. Did he came into two twenty nine.

1422
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: He's sixty three, but he came into two twenty nine. Yeah,

1423
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: So this linebacker class not great, not a great linebacker class.

1424
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: But that's okay. I don't think the Patriots are gonna

1425
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: be two all over linebackers. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe maybe

1426
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: they pivot right, maybe they zig where everybody else SAgs,

1427
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: and everybody says, oh, it's a bad linebacker class, and

1428
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: they end up getting linebacker one in the third round

1429
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: and they feel great about it. I don't know, but

1430
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: this linebacker class doesn't exactly pop for me. But there's

1431
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: our three up, three down. Some free agency thoughts. Alex

1432
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: and I will be back on a week from today.

1433
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: On Thursday, we'll be one day into the official free

1434
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: agency and three or four days into the start of

1435
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: the legal tampering period. So I'm excited for next Thursday

1436
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: because we should have some real concrete news. I've got

1437
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: some of the guys that they've added by that point.

1438
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: So we'll come back to you next Thursday. All free

1439
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: agency for a week. We'll put the draft stuff a

1440
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: little bit on the back Burner. I know that's gonna

1441
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: kill us, but we're gonna do it, and we're gonna

1442
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: talk free agency next week. But until then, signing off

1443
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: for Alex Barth, I'm Evan Lazar. See you next time.

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01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,000
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