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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome back to Killer Thriller DOCU Edition. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Jen Fessler. So today we are talking about

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Speaker 1: the new Hulu documentary sky King. You guys, this was

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Speaker 1: unlike a lot of the true crime documentaries that I've

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Speaker 1: August tenth day after my birthday, twenty eighteen, and I

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Speaker 1: remember this. A Horizon airplane was stolen from Seattle Tacoma

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Speaker 1: International Airport by twenty eight year old Richard Russell. Everybody

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Speaker 1: called him Bibo and a Horizon Air ground service agent,

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Speaker 1: so he had no piloting experience.

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Speaker 2: He was the guy that you.

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Speaker 1: See in the orange vest taking the luggage off the plane,

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Speaker 1: putting the luggage back on the plane. So he was

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Speaker 1: an incredible guy and he performed this unauthorized takeoff and

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Speaker 1: SeaTac air traffic control made radio contact with him.

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Speaker 2: He was the only guy on the plane.

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Speaker 1: He stole the plane, and he started to talk to

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Speaker 1: air traffic control. He described himself as a broken guy.

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Speaker 1: He said, I got a few screws loose, I guess,

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Speaker 1: which was heartbreaking because when you watch this you see

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Speaker 1: that this guy was the kindest, warmest most hard working,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I fell in love with him watching it, and he

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Speaker 1: had everything going for him, but he ended up stealing

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Speaker 1: this plane. He does what's called a barrel roll in it,

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Speaker 1: which is basically an impossible thing to do, and these

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Speaker 1: were his last moments of life, and he, you know,

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Speaker 1: purposefully crashes the aircraft into the Katron Island. And you know,

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Speaker 1: he wanted to die by suicide and this was the

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Speaker 1: way that he wanted to go and there were no

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Speaker 1: other collateral human injuries.

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Speaker 2: He was a soul fatality.

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Speaker 1: But the film is so incredible and such a fabulous

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Speaker 1: commentary on not just you know, suicide, but men's roles

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Speaker 1: in today's culture and how difficult it can be to

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Speaker 1: provide for your family, you know, mental health, mental illness.

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Speaker 1: And we're about to bring in the most incredible director.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Patricia E. Gillespie. Patricia High.

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Speaker 2: Welcome. We are so happy to have you, all right,

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Speaker 2: you guys, so welcome.

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Speaker 3: Patricia, Hi, thank you so much for having me. I

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Speaker 3: really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Patricia, thank you so much for coming. I have to

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Speaker 1: tell you, and I was telling my producers before we

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Speaker 1: had you on this story and we do a lot

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Speaker 1: of true crime. That's sort of the nature right of

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Speaker 1: the podcast is true crime doc And I know that

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Speaker 1: this was a crime, and it could have been an

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Speaker 1: even worse crime, but there the heart of this felt

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Speaker 1: like so utterly sad and so it was, I mean,

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Speaker 1: so poignant. And you know, usually when I'm done watching

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Speaker 1: can't sleep and the hairs. This was more like just sadness,

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Speaker 1: but not in a way. It was such a fascinating

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Speaker 1: documentary and I feel like something that so many people

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Speaker 1: can There's so much to take from it, so not

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Speaker 1: just sadness, also some admiration I think for him and

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Speaker 1: some and lots of empathy, but and for his family.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm sorry. I just I thought it was

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Speaker 1: so that it was so moving. It was really just

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Speaker 1: a fabulous just congratulations, fabulous work, very welcome.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you enjoyed.

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Speaker 2: It, I really did. I mean, you always feel weird

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Speaker 2: saying you enjoyed it, right.

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Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, yeah, but I did. I have to say.

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Speaker 1: So let's I'm just gonna ask this question right off

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Speaker 1: the bats. We can get it over with, why Bibo

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Speaker 1: where does that come from?

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Speaker 4: So Bibo, I'm probably gonna call him Bibo through this

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Speaker 4: whole thing, but I'm realizing a lot of the press

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Bibo was.

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Speaker 4: Actually a name that he got when he was a baby.

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Speaker 4: He was named after his father, whose name was also Richard.

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Speaker 4: And I asked Karen, I said, where where does that

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Speaker 4: And I remember going through all those images and seeing

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Speaker 4: It's sort of an automotia for how adorable he was.

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Speaker 1: And he was so adorable, Yeah, he really was. Like

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Speaker 2: Sweet, yeah, and sensitive and all of it.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, I obviously I've read up on you,

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Speaker 1: that what drew you to this story? Did you feel

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Speaker 3: You know, this story in particular was really personal to me.

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Speaker 4: I grew up working class, and I remember hearing this

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Speaker 3: It just grabbed me, grabbed me right part and the gut.

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Speaker 4: And he sounded like so many of the people I

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Speaker 4: I think that I think a lot of men, but

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Speaker 4: And I wanted to square this really kind voice that

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Speaker 4: out who really was this guy underneath it all and

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Speaker 1: That was the part that was one of the many

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we live in a really intense media

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Speaker 4: which in this case was I think a pretty clear

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Speaker 4: that sort of got glossed over in favor of this

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Speaker 4: was this something else? And I'm not seeing those aren't

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Speaker 4: important conversations to have and to look into. But when

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Speaker 1: Which is which is feels even more relevant now than

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Speaker 2: Eighteen, is that when it happened? Yeah, it feels even

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Speaker 4: This film took a long time to make, but you know,

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Speaker 4: just it's I feel, in this weird way that we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I one hundred percent agree with you

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Speaker 4: are a lot of different opinions about you know, just

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Speaker 3: But if you stop and listen.

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Speaker 4: And you approach the story from a place of curiosity

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Speaker 4: I actually agree very much about just the realities of life, success, work,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I love everything that you just said, and I

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Speaker 1: Hard to even watch the news anymore, because that's all

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Speaker 1: But that was that hard for you to watch them

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Speaker 4: He So we everybody you see in the film that's

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Speaker 4: even though there's this idea that suicide ends someone's pain,

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Speaker 4: Most of the family had heard little pieces of audio,

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Speaker 1: Is that that was the message, right, Like as you

442
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: see Biebo lifting luggage all day, welding all day, right,

443
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: that's that kind of toil.

444
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 4: And his when you think about what Bibo is doing,

445
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 4: he's what's going on with his knees, with his back

446
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 4: as he enters his thirties. You know, it's like it's

447
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 4: people forget that. People don't when they're on the plane.

448
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 4: They don't look out the window and think that. And

449
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 4: life now is physical and intense and hard, and then

450
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 4: you're supposed to deal with whatever is going on inside

451
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,959
Speaker 4: when you're exhausted, you know.

452
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 3: I think that's a unique challenge.

453
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 4: I also think growing up working class is a challenge

454
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 4: that is not specific to men, but is pronounced in men.

455
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 4: Where if you're growing up working class from the ragged

456
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 4: edge of the middle class, right, you got a lot

457
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 4: of just like problems you're dealing with. You're trying to

458
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 4: pay the mortgage, you're trying to figure out the budget

459
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 4: for the groceries, you're trying whatever, and you don't other

460
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 4: there's problems with the medical system, but just a million

461
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 4: things you're dealing with that aren't You can't just throw

462
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 4: money at to solve, and you're trying to take care

463
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 4: of your family and you're trying to work together to

464
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 4: make ends meet, and you just don't want to bother anyone, right,

465
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 4: And there's all this tocal messaging of like, you know what,

466
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 4: we got enough problems. Don't talk about your feelings, man,

467
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 4: and it can lead to some really disastrous places. And

468
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 4: I hope people start to think about, you know that

469
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 4: that needs to change too.

470
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: There's this doctor maybe you know I'm his name as

471
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: Scott Galloway, Yeah, and just as an aside, but he

472
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: talks a lot about this and a lot about these

473
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: challenges for men, specifically right now, how impossible a situation

474
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: that they're in trying to buy a house, and then

475
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: that the mental toll, right, and it I always I

476
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: love him. I think he's fascinating, but it just all

477
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: of this ties into that it's just a bitch, the

478
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: whole thing. And so tell me about this. I have

479
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: to ask about the bird. And there were there wasn't

480
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: just one bird that just happened, but I felt like

481
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: there were birds everywhere in the film, right there.

482
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 4: Was So Phil's the bird that's God set bick And

483
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 4: I actually remember that day I can't remember exactly what

484
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 4: was going on, but something had fallen through. I think

485
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 4: we were supposed to go to a job site and

486
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 4: we couldn't go to his job site, and we were

487
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 4: sort of standing in the driveway being.

488
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 3: Like, what are we going to do? We've had all

489
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: these plans, where are we going to go? And then

490
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 3: all of a sudden fells like, oh, there's a dead

491
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 3: bird over there.

492
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 4: I gotta go pick it up, and we were like wait,

493
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 4: and you know, it's a it's a really tragic moment

494
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 4: in the film, but heartbreaking. Yeah, but I think it's

495
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 4: also just it was such kismet or such such my

496
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 4: God moment where I'm like, is this is is there

497
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 4: something from the Great beyond talking to us here?

498
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: I have to be honest with you. I didn't know

499
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: that you didn't plant it.

500
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 3: No, No, that happened.

501
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: I believe you. I was like, it was just so heartbreaking.

502
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

503
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 4: I mean we definitely told Bill Phil like pause, let

504
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 4: us get the camera over there.

505
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: It was beautiful though.

506
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was crazy.

507
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: And he seems so taken by it also, right, Yeah,

508
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: like you could see that on his face.

509
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

510
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 4: I think also, like, you know, my fit when I work.

511
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 4: I'm really close with my editor Emiliano Batista. We've cut

512
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 4: a bunch of films together. And when we were talking

513
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 4: about this early in the edit, he's like, you know,

514
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 4: we still had some shooting off you and he's like,

515
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 4: if it fly, shoot it. So we would schedule in

516
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 4: these moments where I'm like, okay, like let's sit in

517
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 4: this area and try to see if we can get

518
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 4: some birds.

519
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: And we'd never get any.

520
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 4: And with Karen in particular, or Andre's at the airport right,

521
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 4: that was crazy. Yeah, and I'm like, someone is this

522
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know what I believe, but

523
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 4: is someone messing.

524
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: With h bibo? I'd like to I would like to

525
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: believe that.

526
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: Speaking of his mom on the beach and which was

527
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: just just heartbreaking, did you were you road tripping with her?

528
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: We went, we went with her up Tomorrow Bay.

529
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 4: She takes a road trip in that car every year,

530
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 4: and you know it's sort of it's usually open ended,

531
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: but because we were filming, we're like, okay, Karen, where

532
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 4: do you want to go?

533
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 3: What do you want to do?

534
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 4: And she actually came forward and said I want to

535
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 4: put you know, she she they put Bibo's there's still

536
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 4: they're still in the process of distributing Beebo's ashes, and

537
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 4: so you know, they've gone.

538
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 3: All places all over the world.

539
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 4: His sister's gone on trips and brought them, you know, abroad,

540
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 4: and and she just said to us, hey, well what

541
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 4: would you think if we brought Bibo? And I want

542
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: to do that for the film, And so that sort

543
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 4: of shaped the trip.

544
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a really powerful moment. What about his

545
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: wonderful co worker, who Wow, what a doll of a man.

546
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: And also just what what actually hit me the most

547
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: in terms of his story that he felt so guilty

548
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: for not pushing Bibo to join him in, you know,

549
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: his new job, that he felt you know, guilt about that,

550
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: and which is so sad. And I don't know, it

551
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: sounds like they were really close, but he seemed to

552
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: have just such perfect insight into Bibo's character and also

553
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: what was going on around them both and how just

554
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: dirty the whole machine was.

555
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, Andrea's I hope he ends up working for a

556
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 4: labor union or something at some point, I or running

557
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 4: for president.

558
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

559
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: He's amazing, He's amazing.

560
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: I spoke to a lot of guys that Bibo worked with,

561
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 4: and unfortunately most of them weren't able to come forward

562
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 4: because they hadn't moved on from that job or they

563
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: felt concerned about what would happen to their employment. And

564
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 4: I think Andreas did a really beautiful job telling that

565
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 4: story on behalf of all of them. But there are men,

566
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 4: many guys that feel that way, And I think that

567
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 4: guilt that people feel. I think, you know, I've lost

568
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: people important to me to suicide, and it's you're you're.

569
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: Always left with that. What was the last text ascent?

570
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: Why didn't I go get that coffee? Why didn't I

571
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: do that? It's a it's a just a sad part

572
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: of what suicide does. I think if Bibo.

573
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 4: Knew, I think if he really knew the impact this

574
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 4: would I'm on his mom, on his family, on co

575
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 4: workers like Andreas, on FA people themselves. I don't think

576
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 4: he would have done it. But I think depression monster

577
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 4: and it lies to you, you know.

578
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: I I one hundred percent agree. I watched his uh

579
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: dear friend from high school that became the doctor. I'm

580
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: sorry I don't have I don't have all the names

581
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: Chris talking about. Also, like how Bibo if it wasn't

582
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: for Bibo flying him, using all of his points and

583
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: flying him out to see all of the schools, he

584
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: would have never been, you know, maybe never have been

585
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: a doctor. And so he seemed like he was also

586
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: carrying his own guilt, right, Like, there's got to be

587
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: a myriad of emotions. But the Gil piece is hard

588
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: to watch because you're looking at these people that are

589
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: such wonderful people obviously, you know, and it's so makes

590
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: you just feel so awful that they have to carry

591
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: this this around. So I'm sure it comes sort of

592
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: with the territory of suicide unfortunately. But yeah, I thought

593
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: to myself, he is such a great family and he

594
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: knows that he does. And so like when you say

595
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: he didn't, maybe he didn't know or didn't think through

596
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: what it would do to them. He just couldn't bear

597
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: life one more second. And I don't know that he

598
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: allowed himself to get in touch with, you know, how

599
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: his mom was going to feel, how his siblings were

600
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: going to feel, how his friends were going to feel,

601
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: his wife was going to feel. Because on the plane,

602
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: that was what was so chilling, is that I feel

603
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: like he was lighthearted and by the way I'm sorry,

604
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm excited, so I tend to like just go all

605
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: over the place.

606
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: Forgive me, I love it, thank you.

607
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: So, but why didn't they have somebody a psychiatrist, somebody

608
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: they put ground control.

609
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: God blessed the guy Andrew.

610
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: So why don't they have someone that specialized in mental

611
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: health there to talk him down?

612
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 4: I really hope that question gets asked repeatedly and loudly

613
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 4: as this film was released. You know, I think I

614
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 4: think there, I hope the film raises questions about, Yeah,

615
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 4: all the people we see working in this film, Hey.

616
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: Well, how do we make these things better? How can

617
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: we make these things easier?

618
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 4: What are these people's experiences, whether that's the guys that

619
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: are loading your luggage or the guys that are directing

620
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: the planes. I think that's a really important question and

621
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 4: we should ask it.

622
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: That was a big ask of him.

623
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: I felt for him, and I felt I felt for

624
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: the manager her name, and talking about how afterwards she's

625
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: like go home.

626
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: Or no, don't go home, come staying with you.

627
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: It was so traumatic for all of them obviously, But yeah,

628
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean, especially in that line of work, you would

629
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: think that anything could happen. You're up in the sky.

630
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: Don't you need mental health professionals? On hand, I don't know. Yeah,

631
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: I thought that was that was weird and sad, and

632
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure it took its toll on him.

633
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: Those people go through a lot.

634
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are so many interesting things about this, and

635
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: I think when you know this already, but one of

636
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: the most interesting parts of this for me was when

637
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: he said he didn't get the promotion because he was

638
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: a white guy. And but the way that that translated, right,

639
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: and his sibly that's saying no, no, no, and his coworkers,

640
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: let's not turn this in to he was a racist.

641
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: That's not who he was at all.

642
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: And he that was a message that he was sent

643
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: as to why he didn't get the job. That didn't

644
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: come from his thought patterns or you know, his you know,

645
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: his belief system comes from somebody else's who said that

646
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: to him. But the way it probably and I guess

647
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: that's why, was that snippet part of how this got

648
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: politicized for sure, because I don't remember hearing that.

649
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 4: I remember the first time I heard it, and I

650
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 4: heard it after I'd heard a bunch of the other audio.

651
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 4: My heart kind of sank because, like, let us be frank.

652
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: It did not sound great without context, right, but when.

653
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: It was approached with such assumptive, sort of.

654
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: In a just assumptive way, that people didn't say, gee,

655
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: why is this kind of it doesn't sound like the

656
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: rest of the stuff he's saying. He sounds like a

657
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 4: nice guy, sounds concerned about pay, sounds concerned about all

658
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: his coworkers, and then there's this thing that sounds really bad.

659
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 4: What does it mean? And they didn't go find that

660
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: story that this was. You know, he told people something

661
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: that was said to him. And further, Andreas, his coworker,

662
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 4: provides a lot of context about well, why why it

663
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 4: might be advantageous for people to foster that belief? Why

664
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 4: it might be Yeah, of course, right, it's just stoke

665
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: white even in order to achieve their ins And of

666
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: course it's all that stuff is opinion, you know, people's experience.

667
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 4: But I think it's really important to listen to Andreas's

668
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 4: words about this because I think there's an important message there.

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00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: Yes, it's sort of like you are white trash message

670
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: that he he got, you know, not even subliminally, I

671
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: don't know, but there are so many interesting talking points

672
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: messages in this film. I just what do you what

673
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: would be your wish in terms of what viewers take away.

674
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot that you want them to

675
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: take away, But is there, you know, anything for you

676
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: that you really profoundly want people to hear.

677
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think for me it's two main things.

678
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: The there's there's something about how working people, how how

679
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: I think we all really need to cooperate and get

680
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 4: together and look at what we share in common. Right,

681
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 4: this is a movie where you look at somebody like

682
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 4: Danny Bibo's brother with the who's at the shooting range

683
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: and you know, and Andreas, and you'd say, these people

684
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 4: don't have anything in common ones this end of the

685
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 4: political spectrum.

686
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: Ones, this end of the political spectrum, they are not

687
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: for me.

688
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: The one which one was wearing the Maga hat. That's Danny, Yes.

689
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 4: But actually, if you really listen to them, they're saying

690
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: a lot of the same things. And it's been amazing

691
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 4: to see them speak in public about this. And you know,

692
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 4: it's it's silly, but the way it was said to

693
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 4: me when I was growing up, anybody who knows what

694
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 4: a bread sandwich tastes like, they're your friend.

695
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter who they are.

696
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: Wow, I love that. I'm absolutely going to use that.

697
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: Believe Oh, I may get right now, I've got to

698
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: copyright it. Go on.

699
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: So I feel like we have to think about that

700
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 4: to solve these problems about the housing crisis, and also

701
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: about mental health and about you know, a whole bunch

702
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: of factors just going to the grocery store, going to

703
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: the gas seat, like where we should be on each

704
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: other's team. And we got to find a way to

705
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: do that. While we disagree about other things, there are

706
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: a lot of things we have in common, and we

707
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 4: got to be in the same boat. And we got

708
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: to be skeptical of people who want us to feel

709
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: like we're enemies, because those are usually people who don't

710
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 4: have those problems.

711
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 3: So I hope people feel that.

712
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 4: But most importantly, I hope people watch this film and think,

713
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 4: you know what, I got to call my buddy and

714
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: ask if he's okay, or when their buddy calls them

715
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 4: and says, hey, hey man, how you doing that they

716
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: feel at liberty to answer that question more honestly or

717
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 4: even say, you know what, it's not weak in me

718
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: if I need to go get some help. That I

719
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: think would be the grand slam. I think that's the

720
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 4: legacy his family really wanted to leave and why they

721
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 4: came and did this painful, difficult thing, because that's that's

722
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 4: and I think that's what people would have wanted.

723
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: You know, me too, me too, A little bit in

724
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: all of you. I may have a little bit of

725
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: a crush on you. I think you ought to be

726
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: such a good work. No, because you know what it is.

727
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of Scott Galloway and that message

728
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: I don't don't I don't hear it in many places, right,

729
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: but because I'm a fan of his and he's my algorithm,

730
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: it comes up a lot. And just how hopeless, you know,

731
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: our youth is today because there's no they don't a chance, right,

732
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: Like just getting just buying a house today is absolutely

733
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: impossible for what ninety percent of young people. So anyway,

734
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: and I love talking about how we're just drawn to

735
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: a certain side and we're being manipulated. I could go

736
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: on and on, but I'm sure you have things to do.

737
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: But I love the film really, Thank you so much.

738
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I just it's such a pleasure when I

739
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: get to set with people like you who just get it.

740
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: You know, I have to say thank you, thank you

741
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: so much,