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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast George Norri with you. Johnny Enoch with

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Speaker 1: us a clinical hypnotherapist, lecturer, writer from Vancouver, British Columbia.

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Speaker 1: As a better fact, he's one of the keynote speakers

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you about that a little bit later on again. Now,

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Speaker 1: not only has he been researching extraterrestrial phenomena and esoteric subjects,

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Speaker 1: of unexplainable events while growing up, his search for answers

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Speaker 1: has led him on adventures all over the planet. He's

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Speaker 1: a featured speaker on Ancient Mystery Tours of Egypt, the

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Speaker 1: Serpentine Mysteries Tour of Peru and Bolivia with Brian Forrester,

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Speaker 1: and he's writing books on advanced civilizations, one of them

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Speaker 1: the Cosmic Origins of Civilization. Johnny Enoch on Coast to

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Speaker 1: Coast Johnny, welcome to the program. Well thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me on. Great to be here. You're looking forward to

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Speaker 1: this and your work is amazing. What led you into

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Speaker 1: this field? Well, thank you. My investigation into these very

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Speaker 1: fascinating subjects started at an early age. I grew up

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