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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up Everybody? Friday?

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Speaker 1: Friday June eleventh, Straight Fire Off a fun night in

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Speaker 1: the association. Also big college Football News, and we got

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Speaker 1: a great guest coming up. It's a monster podcast. I'll

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Speaker 1: just say off the top, the College Football News going

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Speaker 1: to potentially a twelve team playoff. Obviously I like it.

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Speaker 1: The more the merrier, more football everybody wins. But it's

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Speaker 1: not a done deal yet, so I'm not ready to

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Speaker 1: dive in, especially with two relatively close NBA games last night.

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Speaker 1: So We'll do plenty of college football, uh coming up,

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Speaker 1: just not today. So I I thought I would, you know,

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Speaker 1: given the way the Bucks barely survived against the Nets,

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Speaker 1: and by the way I plan on putting my house.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a renter obviously out here in l A.

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Speaker 1: But I would bet my house that the Nets win

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Speaker 1: and cover the next game. Um, the way the Bucks

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Speaker 1: barely survived, I don't think there's a storyline there. Like

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Nets were terrible, still had a chance

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Speaker 1: to send it to overtime on a Kevin Durant three

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Speaker 1: where he was double teamed. Um, you know, Joe Harris

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Speaker 1: was awful. Kyrie was invisible in the fourth The storyline

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Speaker 1: today in sports is what the hell happened to the

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Speaker 1: Clippers in Game two against the Jazz. The Clippers folded

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Speaker 1: like a like a card table. It was embarrassing, folks.

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Speaker 1: My guy Damon Jones, if you're listening, where was your

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Speaker 1: boy Kauai? Where was your boy Tyler? What the hell

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Speaker 1: happened in the fourth quarter? Obviously the Jazz win. Donovan

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Speaker 1: Mitchell for the second straight game, was the best player

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Speaker 1: on the floor, Rob g we can we can say

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Speaker 1: this right now coming into the series. Who's the best

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Speaker 1: player in the series. Kawhi Leonard best? Two way? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Whose second? Well, Paul George maybe Donovan Mitchell. You know

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Speaker 1: there's some way to three, Rob, There is no debate, Okay,

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Speaker 1: through two games, through ninety six minutes of basketball, unequivocally,

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Speaker 1: the best player in Jazz Clippers is Donovan Mitchell. There's

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Speaker 1: no debate. Right Yeah, I'm sorry, guys. I know that

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Speaker 1: everybody was all like, oh, kau I was so amazing

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Speaker 1: against the Mavericks. Let's be real here, Kawhi Leonard was

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Speaker 1: awful in the fourth quarter. He was Houdini. He vanished.

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Speaker 1: You could not find him. Kawhi Leonard in the fourth

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Speaker 1: quarter one for four took one shot in the final

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Speaker 1: seven minutes, and by the way, that was on somebody.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the more the Morris twin missed

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Speaker 1: yet another three. Okay, Why he's shooting so many shots

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, only Tyler knows. And Kauai had

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Speaker 1: like a tip in opportunity in that miss That was

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Speaker 1: his only shot in the final seven minutes. If this

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Speaker 1: guy is such a superstar, why is he deferring like

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Speaker 1: this in the fourth quarter? Does he not want the

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Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert smoke? He's not even attacking the rim Morris

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Speaker 1: who will get to in a second? Okay, Morris in

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Speaker 1: the series shooting three's still in two games one of fourteen.

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Speaker 1: He had seven in Game seven Flukey Ship against the Mavericks.

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean to drop an obscenity this early

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Speaker 1: in the pod, but yeah, I'm a little pissed. I

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Speaker 1: lost some money on the clips. I thought they could

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Speaker 1: have at least covered three and Kawhi Leonard deferring was embarrassing,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how we can continue to call

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Speaker 1: this guy Weekend And we got all he's a leader.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the best two way players we can

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Speaker 1: He's a good player. But he don't mention Kauai Leonard

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Speaker 1: in the same sentence as Lebron James. Okay, Lebron will

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Speaker 1: put it on his back and carry the team, win, loser, draw.

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Speaker 1: Kauai he doesn't even wanted to smoke from the jazz.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna run you through this, Okay. The

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Speaker 1: Clippers take a lead one on a Reggie Jackson three.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Reggie Jackson was the was basically the

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Speaker 1: clippers best player in Game two. Twenty nine points uh

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Speaker 1: Paul George was pretty good ten Kawai Leonard was on

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Speaker 1: a milk carton in the fourth quarter. Here's what happens

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Speaker 1: after the Clippers take one. Nick Batum mrs the three,

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Speaker 1: He missed the three. Morris, another miss Thy, Patrick Beverley,

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Speaker 1: and then Joe angles hits at three and the Jazz

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Speaker 1: go from down to to up ten. Where was Tyler?

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Speaker 1: His rotations are just I'm mind boggling, Like I don't

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Speaker 1: that he's their second best defender after Rudy Gobert. That's

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Speaker 1: former Duke star once again. Luke Kennard was on the

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Speaker 1: Like what are we doing here? Patrick Beverley twenty one

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Speaker 1: minutes over five, over five shooting Terrence Man, I don't

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Speaker 1: know why he's not playing. I'm telling you, tylu for

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Speaker 1: all these great adjustments that he allegedly made rob against

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Speaker 1: the MAVs, and really, when you're down oh two, losing

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Speaker 1: the first two at home. You don't really have a choice.

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Speaker 1: You have to make massive adjustments. He inserted Terrence Man

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Speaker 1: a lot that worked, great call, pulled Patrick Beverley. Well,

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Speaker 1: now he's down O two to the Jazz. He has

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Speaker 1: tried Patrick Beverley, he has tried Luke Cannard. He hasn't

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Speaker 1: really tried Man. I would assume Terrence Man will get

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Speaker 1: a lot of run in Game three, But bottom line,

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Speaker 1: who the hell is gonna guard Donovan Mitchell. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this to bed now, Okay, Paul George is no longer

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Speaker 1: an elite defender. Luca don Chanch lit him up like

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Speaker 1: him through the ringer, just going to work. Donovan Mitchell

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Speaker 1: thirty seven points. He did only have ten in the

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Speaker 1: second half. But when Jordan Clarkson former Laker Jan Clarkson,

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Speaker 1: When Jordan Clarkson is pumping in six of nine for three,

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Speaker 1: did you ask me twenty three pointers? You're not winning

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Speaker 1: that game. Rob. This is gonna pain you to say this,

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Speaker 1: but I was at a bar watching this with a

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Speaker 1: couple of buddies and I said to my man, Dan, yo,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have Jordan Clarkson than Dennis Shrewder. Did you

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Speaker 1: have that thought as you were watching Jordan Clarkson give

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Speaker 1: the Clippers the business? Now? You know what, I'm such

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Speaker 1: reason PhD can't become Jordan Clarkson. There's there's there's no reason.

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Speaker 1: It's totally possible. That's what I was thinking, that irrational

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Speaker 1: like a shot is going up. Oh yeah, oh yeah, thousand.

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad that you actually pointed out the Kawhi

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Speaker 1: the national media is how poorly the Clippers performed in

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Speaker 1: clutch situations this whole season. Now it's gonna get worse

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Speaker 1: after last night, after what you mentioned and how they

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Speaker 1: you know, in a matter of four minutes. But entering

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Speaker 1: clutch time in the postseason of the sixteen teams. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna guess you know what their offensive rating and clutch

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Speaker 1: Little League fifteen out of sixteen, a whopping sixty one

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Speaker 1: point nine. Oh gosh, listen, they don't have a point guard.

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Speaker 1: They are one in four in collect situations entering last night,

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Speaker 1: so that I'll be one in five. Listen, Rob, we

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Speaker 1: can be real that we there were two problems all

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Speaker 1: stunk in the clutch. Okay, Rob, how does this not

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Speaker 1: a guest that quickly, but like I mean, I I'd

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Speaker 1: love to hear Damon Jones defend Tylu in this series

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Speaker 1: so far, I mean, the Clippers have been terrible. In

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Speaker 1: Game one, they got the rebound, they could have easily

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Speaker 1: potato between Paul George Kawhi, Leonard Oh, let's get it

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Speaker 1: to Morris and his shot out blocked by Gobert. So

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Speaker 1: then in Game two, they lead by two with I

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Speaker 1: think like five minutes six minutes left, and what happens

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Speaker 1: just a total meltdown when you've got Patrick Beverley and

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Speaker 1: Morris Jack and bad shots. Listen, man, I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you. Rob. Every time I play basketball and it's

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Speaker 1: a close game and you know we want to win

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Speaker 1: to stay on, I'm cool with the ball going into

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Speaker 1: the hands of the best guy on the on my team.

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Speaker 1: I get it. You create everybody knows you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: the ball. You attack the rim, best player on our team.

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Speaker 1: And guess what, I'm okay with you shooting a shot

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Speaker 1: want to go down with your best player getting a chance.

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Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonards not taking those chances. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: Paul George played forty four minutes. He got nine free

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Speaker 1: throw attempts. He was attacking Gobert. He wasn't afraid Kawai

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Speaker 1: game three. But Kawhi Leonard has attempted eight free throws

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Speaker 1: in the two games. Guys, Donovan Mitchell has made oh,

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Speaker 1: it's made six threes last night alone. Like, I don't

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Speaker 1: he's just like, I just don't get it, robbed. What

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Speaker 1: am I missing with Kawhi Leonard here, Well, what you're

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Speaker 1: missing is he was put in absolute jail by Bojean

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Speaker 1: Bogdanovitch in the four quarter. Are our friends over at

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Speaker 1: stat muse have to have the information for us? Two

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter Kauai when guarded by Bugdanovich, Wow defender,

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Speaker 1: First Team All Defense. I can't call him the Serbian

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Speaker 1: plumber anymore? Can I know? You cannot? I mean that

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Speaker 1: how close are we to a Jazz Sons Conference finals? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I have a couple of bets going with a few people,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of one of them being our colleague

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Speaker 1: at Fox Sports Radio, Brian No. Me and him have

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Speaker 1: a wing beat going. He has the Clippers, I have

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Speaker 1: the Jazz. In this series, you should double down at

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Speaker 1: this point. I mean no, I mean maybe I'm going

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Speaker 1: We don't know how bad Mitchell's her, We don't know

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Speaker 1: if Connley is gonna play, and will Connley throw off

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Speaker 1: I'm just stunned that the Clippers could look this bad.

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Speaker 1: they figured it out. They just they shipped their pants

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Speaker 1: t vs Jared Greenberg. He's on T n T studio shows,

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Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes

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Speaker 1: straight fire. A guy he made news this week, big

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Speaker 1: that's what kind of got me off. I was like,

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Speaker 1: what wait what Yeah, very very crazy moment out that's

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Speaker 1: the listener here. I'm sure we don't have a lot

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00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: of sideline reporters listening. Take us through right leading up

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Speaker 1: to the interview. You know, the game ends. How much

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Speaker 1: time do you have with k D before the interview? Uh?

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Speaker 1: If at all? You know, is there somebody in your ear?

427
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 1: And just take us through the end of the game

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Speaker 1: and the interview and what leads up to it. Yeah,

429
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: it's a it's a great question, man, And I'm glad

430
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 1: glad you asked that because if you're into the broadcasting industry,

431
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: or you're just an avid viewer of sports on television.

432
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: I think it is something that behind the curtain that

433
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: people would find interesting. When when you're the first game

434
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Speaker 1: of a national TV doubleheader, the end of your first

435
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: game is the equivalent of a fire drill, because you

436
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: have the second game to get to and you're trying

437
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: to figure out how much time you have. And the

438
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: interesting part about what happened after game two was we

439
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: knew pretty early in the fourth quarter that I was

440
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: going to talk with Kevin Durant because it was a

441
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: blowout and he wasn't gonna play in the fourth order,

442
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: so I knew I got I was getting him, which

443
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: is not always the case. You don't always know that

444
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: much time ahead of time who you're gonna be talking to.

445
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: So I knew it was gonna be Durant, and the

446
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: game ended relatively quickly. But then Durant took a really

447
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: long time, which you know he's entitled to to say

448
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: hi to his mom um. There are a couple of

449
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: other I think, like French Montana was there a couple

450
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: of other people that he was like chilling with and

451
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: and we're waiting and I don't know how closely you

452
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: paid attention, but Marv and Grant Hill, who's on the broadcast,

453
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: are tap dancing their way through this because we really

454
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Speaker 1: want to get Kevin Durant. But now the window for

455
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Speaker 1: how much time I'm gonna have is shrinking, literally by

456
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Speaker 1: the second. And you know, I wear an ear piece

457
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Speaker 1: of my ear And finally, when Kevin Durant comes over

458
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Speaker 1: to me and starts talking to me, that's when the

459
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Speaker 1: fire drew really starts to happen, because that's when our

460
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: studio in Atlanta and the game what was it the

461
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: I think it was the Phoenix game. I don't remember

462
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: what game was after us the other night, but you know,

463
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: my producers getting word from both our Atlanta studio and

464
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: the truck in the next game wherever that is. And

465
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: now he's communicating that to me. So like the number

466
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: one thing in our business, you know this, Like we're

467
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: always taught be a good listener, you know, make sure

468
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: you're hearing everything you say. But it's like the hardest

469
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: thing in the world because I gotta dude yelling in

470
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Speaker 1: my ear how much time I had left. He says, no,

471
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Speaker 1: you have two questions, and then I asked my second question,

472
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Speaker 1: and Durant's second answer was like really really short. So

473
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Speaker 1: I don't even hear it because my producer saying, go

474
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: one more, go one more, and and so now I

475
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: have to put that question together and listen, no excuses.

476
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: This is my job. I'm going to get it right enough.

477
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: I if I messed up, I'm fair game to be criticized.

478
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: So it's just an absolute fire drill, particularly when you're

479
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: that first game of a double header and it's fun

480
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: like I I get an adrenaline rush out of it.

481
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: I love it. But but it's it's nuts. Man. It

482
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: feels like for you that any sideline reporter, either whether

483
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Speaker 1: it's the halftime interview or the end of game, there's

484
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: oh that was a softball with a waste of time,

485
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: or oh my gosh, I can't believe this person asked that.

486
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: You know, there's really not a ton of middle ground there. Um,

487
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. Talk me through your process in the

488
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: fourth of what you're gonna ask Durant, Um, you know,

489
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: if you did you think about pushing down like you know, KD.

490
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: You surprised you guys want by seventy five points, Like

491
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Speaker 1: I don't know, like, I don't know your relationship with Durant?

492
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: Does he know you or you guys on a first

493
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: name basis we cover the league for a while, you've

494
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: known him since. Okay, everybody knows Kevin Durant, But does

495
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Speaker 1: he have like is he more willing to push back

496
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: on you because he knows you a little bit? I

497
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: don't know. Um, I don't. I don't know if he

498
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Speaker 1: knows my name like he You know, there are some

499
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: guys like you know, the best example I'll give you

500
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: is like Steph Curry, Like he he goes so far

501
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: out of his way, like he's such a genuinely nice guy,

502
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: not to say others aren't, but like he's he treats

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Speaker 1: the person interviewing him like a human being. And and

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00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that's gotten to me over

505
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: the years is I've really been like an advocate for

506
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Speaker 1: the athlete to try and push back on fans of

507
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: the media who don't treat multimillionaire professional athletes like human beings.

508
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: Like I've been an advocate for that, like these these

509
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: guys are you know, humans as well. But the thing

510
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: that's bothered me lately, and I've seen it more and more,

511
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: especially in the in the n B A is athletes

512
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: want to be treated with the respective being a human

513
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Speaker 1: being and want us to understand what they have going

514
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: on in their lives and what their job is. But

515
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: they often don't reciprocate that to members of the media

516
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: and understand that I'm just doing my job or you're

517
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: just doing your job. And part of all of this

518
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: ecosystem that we're all living in is all helping fund

519
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: and pay for everyone's careers everyone you know, yours, mine,

520
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: the the athlete. Like, the reason why these guys have

521
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: these enormous contracts over the last few years is primarily

522
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: because of the media dollars that have come into this.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't like the media, if you don't

524
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: want the media to be involved, then fine, are you

525
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: willing to part ways with the extra fifty million dollars

526
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: you got in this contract? You know what I mean?

527
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: It's a fair point. Uh. And And you know, I

528
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: don't know what the ratings are gonna be, Like, I

529
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: am curious though Lebron's out curries out. We know those

530
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: guys have been awesome for the NBA and TV ratings

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00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: and eyeball at the last decade you know, part of

532
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: me likes the new blood, but at the same time,

533
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's like Son's Nuggets game two second quarter?

534
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: Am I really locked in? Or am I maybe seeing

535
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: what's on DVR or playing FIFA with my kids or something.

536
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I don't know what we are you

537
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: on the whole ratings thing. First of all, do you

538
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: check TV ratings ever? Casually? You know, just kind of

539
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: follow on Twitter, you know a bunch of the guys

540
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: that write about that stuff and listen to some sports

541
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: media podcasts. You know, I just love to learn about

542
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: the industry as much as I love to study basketball.

543
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: But um, for me, I'm also I'm torn on it

544
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: for for this reason. Number one, when the Warriors are

545
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: putting together their dynasty, I was on the on the

546
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: top of of of a you know, my my pedestal

547
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: here saying, you know, you all need to appreciate what

548
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: we have, what's going on, and you should love greatness.

549
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: Whether you're rooting for them or rooting against them, I don't,

550
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't care. But just like I want to be

551
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: able to tell my kids and my grandkids that, you know,

552
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I covered one of the greatest teams ever. Like how cool.

553
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: Is that people that got to cover Jordan's I envy, right,

554
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: like that that's unbelievable. Um. On the other hand, you know,

555
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: people who have been begging for more parody, this is

556
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: what you get, right, Like, this is a product of that.

557
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I don't believe Lebron

558
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: has done but Lebron is clearly coming to an end

559
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: here at some point. Um, you know, we need that

560
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: next generation of guys who are going to carry the torch.

561
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: And I think the earlier we get it started, the

562
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: better for the whole ratings and attention and awareness thing. Um.

563
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: The ratings thing is just so weird to me because

564
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's just that I lived eating

565
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: sleep basketball, but like it just boggles my mind when

566
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: I hear people talking about, like the ratings aren't that good.

567
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, like all you hear people talking about on

568
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: on tele vision and podcasts and on the web, on

569
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: websites and Twitter is like the NBA. That's so like,

570
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: are people just like totally ignoring games or maybe maybe

571
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: do we have a faulty rating system? I don't know,

572
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: it is weird. You know. The social media stuff is

573
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: obviously depending on who you follow, but even getting pumped

574
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: into your timeline, you know, is NBA on some level

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00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: I do wonder though, uh, And we talked with Henry

576
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: Abbott about that about this this week. So when Jordan's retired,

577
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: there was this big malaise of ratings and lack of interest,

578
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: and you know, there were still stars iverson Kobe Shack

579
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: and their infancy, but there was a period of toughness

580
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: in the league. And you know, San Antonio Spurs being

581
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: dominant wasn't great for the league. You know, they had

582
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: to change rules. Final scores are like two seventy nine.

583
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: Lebron goes to the Heat and we have a ratings explosion.

584
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: You know, Celtics get back to good. So on some level,

585
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: like you said, everybody wants parody, but Jared aren't super

586
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: teams kind of good for the NBA. Like you want

587
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: someone to hate, Uh, yeah, we want somebody to watch,

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00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: you know. You know, yeah, And I'm with you though

589
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: that hate usually draws people in just as much as

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00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: love and passion. I think you're probably right on that,

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00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, it's um, it's it's well, it's like,

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00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't Adam Silver always talks about he doesn't want

593
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: parody to be defined as and I'm paraphrasing him here,

594
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: but but he doesn't want parody to be defined as

595
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: like every team is equally as good or as bad

596
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: as each other. He defines it as something to the

597
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: effect of, there is an opportunity for all of these

598
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: teams to compete at a high level. Like that opportunity

599
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: is there. They're not being held back by their market size,

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00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: by their TV contract, by ownership, whatever it may be.

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Speaker 1: So for me, like, I want both, and I think

602
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: we can exist in a world where there is both.

603
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: Like if you're a small market team in Memphis, in

604
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: New Orleans or here in Milwaukee where I am, if

605
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: you are smart about how you spend your money and

606
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: you invest in developing talent, you don't need to you know,

607
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: rely on Kevin and Durant coming to sign with your

608
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: franchise to be relevant. You should be able to be

609
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: good enough at the same time. As a basketball fan,

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00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: which I think people forget, we are first and foremost,

611
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Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't. I

612
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: love watching great basketball because what happens with parody often

613
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: is games are close because both teams suck right, Like,

614
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, the Golden State Warriors for me were so

615
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: much fun to watch because of how beautiful the game was.

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Speaker 1: you are on the whole Janice Milwaukee thing, Zion New Orleans,

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Speaker 1: like Yanna Stays and everybody champion and what a great decision.

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Speaker 1: Here we are and they're on the Virgin losing to

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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets, getting bounced again, and it's almost like,

624
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: again hindsight, honest, made a mistake. Now a lot of

625
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: people will say, you know, some of your colleagues on

626
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, inside the NBA, that was a great decision,

627
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Speaker 1: so smart, and then they'll kill you, honest for never winning.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't know, Jared, I just have

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Speaker 1: this weird feeling where it's like they can't win unless

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00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: they team up and win, right and and so that's

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Speaker 1: what they ultimately should do, right. No, And and here's

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Speaker 1: the funny thing about what I think we lose sight

633
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: of in the moment is just because Jana signed a

634
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: contract and a very handsome contract doesn't mean he's still

635
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: at some point this year, next year, or two years

636
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: from now, I could say I want out and they

637
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: would have to trade him, right like and and from

638
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: what we've seen over the last few years with some

639
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: of these guys like James Harden and Anthony Davis and

640
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: and others Paul George, they it's not even like they

641
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: lose leverage on which team they get to pick. Like

642
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, James hard and Paul George hand picked the

643
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 1: team they wanted to get traded to after they had

644
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: signed mega deals, right And I think I think the

645
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: NBA has got a massive issue on its hands, and

646
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: the Players Association has a massive issue on its hands.

647
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much in the weeds you

648
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: want to get on this, but just the top line

649
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: issue is when the NBA instituted the super max contracts,

650
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: they didn't see far enough into the future that the

651
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: guys who would be offered SuperMac contracts would have already

652
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: made over a hundred and fifty million dollars in their career.

653
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: And while money was important, happiness was more important because

654
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: they had that luxury, because they already had a hundred

655
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars in the bank, so they didn't

656
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: need to take that super max and sit there and say,

657
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: I'll be unhappy in this city in an organization that's

658
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: not gonna surround me with the proper talent um and

659
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: and not pay into the luxury tax to help make

660
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: us better. Right. And then the other part of it

661
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: with like Janice is I don't know. And I hate

662
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: to kill coaches on this because I have a lot

663
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: of great relationships with a lot of great coaches around

664
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: the league. But I don't think it means you're a

665
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: bad coach. I just think we've we've really learned over

666
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: the last couple of is that fit matters, Like the

667
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: coaching staff and the players need to mesh and they

668
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: need to be on the same page, and the coaching

669
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: staff needs to learn how to maximize what the players have.

670
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know that has had that yet. Oh wow, Okay,

671
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: I didn't expect I didn't expect you to go go

672
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: go that route. But uh wait, I want to back

673
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: up to what you said about happiness. Like Kyrie Irving,

674
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: you would think he would have been happy in Cleveland

675
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: winning championship with Lebron or a title with Lebron, and

676
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: then he goes to Boston and you'd think he'd be happy.

677
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: Brad Stevens very good coach young stars, and then he's

678
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: not happy. So he goes to Brooklyn and now he

679
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: kind of handpicks Duran and they get James Harden. Is

680
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: it happiness because you've got your stacked team and you're winning,

681
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Because again, you you make a great point about the money, like, okay,

682
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: hundred fifty million for you know, his second contract, you

683
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: know what's another two million? And don't just say two million,

684
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: because you know these guys are extremely wealthy. It almost

685
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: feels like they've bought in on some level to the

686
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: social media yelling legacy. Top ten player Charles Barkley, t NT, FOX, ESPN.

687
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: Everybody's saying legacy, legacy, legacy, and that is almost getting

688
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: in the heads. It feels like of all the young

689
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: players to a certain extent, Yeah, I think so, But

690
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: I also think like one of the parts I go

691
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: back to me being an advocate for remembering that these

692
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: guys are human beings. It's it's not it's not up

693
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: to us to determine what their happiness is. And I

694
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: made that a very vague statement, but I think it

695
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: can apply to anything. I think happiness could be winning. Yeah,

696
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: I think it could be a geographical location. Like you know,

697
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: go back to J. J. Reddick, obviously not a superstar,

698
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: but like he was piste off that he couldn't get

699
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: back to the Northeast because he just wanted to be

700
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: closer to his family who was living in Brooklyn, right, Like,

701
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: like little things like that, Um, the who the coaches,

702
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: who the GM is, who the owner is? Um? And yes,

703
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: who your teammates are I think matter for some of

704
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: these guys, and and and and the other part of

705
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: it too, which I think is interesting. And I won't

706
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: name any names here because I don't have this. You know,

707
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: I have not confirmed this with any of these guys necessarily,

708
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Like sure, I believe that the

709
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of guys in the NBA have a desire

710
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: to win a championship. But then I also think there's

711
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: a fraction of guys in the league who are just

712
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: happy playing in the league and they're not motivated by

713
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: championships and they're not that same competitive guy. Like a lot,

714
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's there's there's some guys in this

715
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: league who play basketball because they're six nine to fifty, right,

716
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: Like that's why they play basketball, and they're not all

717
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: devoted to trying to become at all time. Great, Well

718
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: how about this try to put a name on it.

719
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: I'll offer some names if you don't want to. Is

720
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: is a guy like Poor Zingis who we hear reports

721
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: that he's at the hotel bar multiple nights week. He

722
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: just likes being a celebrity seven ft three tall. Women

723
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: obviously gravitate towards the guy, relate to him. I mean,

724
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: it's it's tough, you know, it's it's it's tough to

725
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: focus on your job when you just got women coming

726
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: all over you. But no, that's that's a fair point.

727
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: So let's spring it forward to this offseason. Okay, we

728
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: have heard in past Kevin Durant said I'm happy and okay,

729
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: see I'm signing set, I'm out, you know, Paul George,

730
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: Anthy Davis, all these guys. Damian Lillard, is he in

731
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: Portland's game one of the season, not as an opponent,

732
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: but is he staying in Portlanders or does he demand

733
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: his way out? I think he stays. I think he

734
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: I think they figure out how to make some moves

735
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: around him, and unfortunately that probably means c J. Mc

736
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: collum's got to go. But I also think with their

737
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: head coaches is gonna make a difference. Um you know,

738
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: I don't think Damian Lillard disliked Terry Stots at all.

739
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, I think, yeah, they had a

740
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: really really good relationship. But I just think that they

741
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, some things run its course and you need

742
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: to try some new things. Umre, We're Lillard's gonna get

743
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: crushed here. And this always sucked for a long time

744
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: because I feel like all of us saw this coming.

745
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: He was the dude who, by the way, like one

746
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: of the best in the league to deal with from

747
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: a media standpoint. Lillard is, but like he stood so

748
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: firm and was so outspoken about never wanting to leave,

749
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, not wanting to be a part of a

750
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: super team, being loyal to the city, and you know,

751
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: he's been there for almost ten years, and I don't

752
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: know that it's Yes, he's the superstar and he leads

753
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: to to get the lion share of the accountability and

754
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: responsibility because we always put it on the superstars. But

755
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: like have they really done enough around him to to

756
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: make him succeed. So like now now that he maybe

757
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: wants out, all we're gonna do is throw in his

758
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: face the honesty and the great answers he gave us

759
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: for the last almost decade about wanting to stay there

760
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: and wanting to be loyal and not wanting to be

761
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: a part of a super team. So I think that

762
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: I think they figured out and he stays, well, you

763
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: say we, I don't know that you or I will

764
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: do that. I think that, you know, the meatballs on

765
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: Twitter are gonna say, oh, look he said this five

766
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: years ago. Like things change, you know, you get new information,

767
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: you make new decisions. Bradley Beale, will he force his

768
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: way out of Washington? And if so, where now He's

769
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: a unique case because you know Zion's Pelicans can say

770
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: we're gonna trade for Bradley Beale, and Bradley Bill will say, Yo,

771
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: I'm not signing with you guys, and I'm undrestricted in

772
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: a year, so don't trade for me. Because that's where

773
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis his dad did when the Celtics, remember Celtics

774
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: were hot for Anthony Davis. His dad came out and

775
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: said he ain't signing in Boston. He's not going there,

776
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: so don't trade for him. Bradley Beale, Yeah, I think,

777
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: you know I I said this at the time. The

778
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: worst thing I think that happened to the Wizards organization

779
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: was that they made the playoffs, because like they were

780
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: flirting in the last week of the season of being

781
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: the Tennessee which Russell Westbrook was doing his thing. And

782
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, I've always been a big critic of of

783
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: Westbrook and and you know, I'm just not necessarily the

784
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: biggest fan of the way they go about playing there,

785
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: and it bothered me that I love the play and

786
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, like I love what the NBA

787
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: has done with that. I think it created excitement, it

788
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: added more integrity to a regular season. But we're like,

789
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: people are trying to throw Russell Westbrook into the m

790
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: v P conversation because he had a right four months

791
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: stint to get them out of the ten seed into

792
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: the eight seed, right, Like what are we doing? Like

793
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: what are we forgetting about how bad of a basketball

794
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: team they have been and what it means to be

795
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: the eight seed in the Eastern Conference. Like that's not

796
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: an accomplishment, right, So I wondered if making the playoffs

797
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: and being in part of the playing tournament for the

798
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: Wizards was almost like, oh, we're we're getting misled here

799
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: on on who they are. It's like sugarcoating the whole thing.

800
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: And I hope I've been saying this for a couple

801
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: of years about the Wizards. I didn't love the John

802
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: Wall trade, but in the end, maybe it made more

803
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: sense to start over with him and Westbrook and maybe

804
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: that's a better fit. They got a first decide what

805
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: they're doing with Scott Brooks, um you know the thing.

806
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: And this is kind of a bigger picture conversation here,

807
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: but with the Wizards who just reshaped their front office

808
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: and the Celtics who are going through reshaping of their

809
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: front office, Like I don't understand how all of these

810
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: teams are doing this, especially teams in mega big markets,

811
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: are doing this without finding out what Massia ju Jerry

812
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: is doing, Like he's considered, you know, if we're talking

813
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: about free agents, like there is no bigger free agent

814
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: this offseason, and potentially Massa ju Jerry, Like, how do

815
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: we not find out that he doesn't want to come

816
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: here before we go ahead and reshape our own front office.

817
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to push back against him because listening,

818
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: obviously he's really really good. If Durant does not get

819
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: injured in the twenty nineteen finals, do we think of

820
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: Massi as still like, oh my gosh, this guy is amazing.

821
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: He did this, that and the other. Um. And again,

822
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking the guy. People will perceive that as

823
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: a knocket. It's just a reality. Like, no, but Katie

824
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: doesn't go down. Warriors win, and hey, we swung for

825
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: the fences with Kauai. We got to the finals. You know,

826
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: that's that that's the win. I mean, Damian Lillar were

827
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: killed to get to the finals, and that's exactly right.

828
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: Like the thing that bothers me and I know our

829
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: guys on inside the NBA are very guilty of this

830
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: as well. Um, but I think it's it's a product

831
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: of their rightness, like Charles and Shack, like being the

832
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: elite of the elite. And and the one thing I've

833
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: learned about working with those guys is that, like their

834
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: mindset is so different, Like there's a difference between being

835
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: an NBA player, a really good NBA player and then

836
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: like you know, one of the best NBA players, like,

837
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: there's something different about your brain. But but we we

838
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: make this such a black and white thing of you're

839
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: either competing for championships or you suck. Right, Like, there's

840
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: no middle ground right now when we talk about things,

841
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: and we never allow for growth. We never allow for

842
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: the fact that, like we never account for the fact

843
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: that it took Lebron ten years to win a title.

844
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: We never account for the factor remember that that Michael

845
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: Jordan's team struggle for a long time in the eighties

846
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: before he won titles, right, Like, this league is so

847
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: difficult to win at a high level. It makes you,

848
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: It punches you in the face before it allows you

849
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: to get back up on your feet on the canvas

850
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: and throw a punch. I mean, Boston Celtics are a

851
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: great point, right They go to the Eastern Conference finals

852
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: three times in four years. They have a ton of

853
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: injuries here uh and Covid in this past season, and

854
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: now it's like do we break up Tatum and Brown

855
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: and now there's just Kemba Walker stuff. I don't know

856
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: where you are on that is Kemba Walker in the

857
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: Boston uniform next season? Now that sounds fun. But Jared

858
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: who's taking on Kemba Walker's contract He's got I think

859
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: extra Is it one less year than porzingis or an

860
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: extra year? Yeah, I'm not sure. Off stuff, I had

861
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: what it is, and I know it's gonna be difficult,

862
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: but I do know from what it sounds like. You know,

863
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: Boston's gonna retain a lot of the support staff around

864
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: Brad Stevens that Danny Ainge had, including Mike Zarin, who's

865
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: known to be one of the more creative h cap

866
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: guys in the league. Um, every time I hear that

867
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: an NBA contract is untradeable, I am setting my alarm

868
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: on my phone for forty eight hours for that got

869
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: to be traded. Because think about it. I mean, how

870
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: much time did you and I spend on on podcasts,

871
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: on on TV shows talking about ranking you know, the

872
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: Chris Paul, John Wall Russell Westbrook contracts over the last

873
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: couple of years, and Chris Paul has been traded twice.

874
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: Al Horford Horford Yeah, like so, so it's interesting you

875
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: said that just triggered something. So, Um, you know Washington

876
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: took a chance on Westbrook and they got to the playoffs.

877
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: Is there a you know, below average team out there

878
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: that never stiffs the playoffs. That's like, if we get

879
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: Kemba and we don't overload him with minutes and and um,

880
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, reliance on scoring, we can sneak in the playoffs.

881
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: I mean, is there a team out there that could

882
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: actually use Kemba Walker? Because again, Washington, like you said,

883
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: like they probably shouldn't have made the ploffs, but they

884
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: made it. Their fans were geekd they had Russ like

885
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: that's exciting. Yeah, I'll tell you a couple. I mean,

886
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: I think I think Orlando is interesting. They need uh

887
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, they've obviously got Mark al Fulton, Cole Anthony,

888
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: but they could use a veteran point guard. I think

889
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: she caught Chicago obviously, we've heard all the rumors about

890
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: them going after a lot of different point guards. But

891
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: I know we're here in Lonzo ball all and stuff,

892
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: but um, you know Chicago could use a guy like that,

893
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: especially you know, Chicago got screwed this year. They went

894
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: all in and I love what they did. I love

895
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: the chance they took because too many times teams are hesitant.

896
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: But you trade for Voog and in exchange, you give

897
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: up your first round draft pick, which essentially is an

898
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: unprotected pick. And now you don't make the playoffs if

899
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: for Chicago and you lose your first round draft pick.

900
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: So like a team like that, Um, you know, New

901
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: Orleans is gonna be interesting. What what happens with a Lonzo?

902
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: What does what do they do with with Eric Bledsoe.

903
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: You know they can be looking for, um, you know,

904
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: a point guard of the future too. Yeah, and I

905
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: mean New Orleans I think is the real story to

906
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: watch with Zion And we'll wrap up on this. We've

907
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: never seen, uh you know, a first round rookie and

908
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: elite rookie. UM, say no to the rookie extension And

909
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: I don't, Jared, I keep coming back to this, Like

910
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: Lebronze decision to leave for the Heatros was such a great,

911
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: great moment for the NBA. I know it, you know was,

912
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: oh he's hated, blah blah blah. It was huge for

913
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 1: the league. I know, I don't know if Zion has

914
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: it in him to be that villain. But if he

915
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: does that and Zion now is on the market, like Jared,

916
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: that is awesome for the NBA. I know it's stinks

917
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: for the Pelicans and their fans and Zion is gonna

918
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: get hate. But tell me that wouldn't be good if

919
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: one of the best young players in the league all

920
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: of a sudden is available to anyway. Yeah, I don't know.

921
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: I'm torn. You know, I have a lot of good

922
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: relationships in that that organization, But I I get what

923
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: you're saying from from the standpoint of Like the NBA

924
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't say this publicly, but they love when all this

925
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: stuff goes on because how much attention and awareness it

926
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: brings the sport. There's no question, um, you know what

927
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: it makes the sport at twelve twelve month a year conversation.

928
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'll say this about the

929
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: honest the little bit that I've got to interview him

930
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: like he's he's a really good human being. And not

931
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: to say it takes a bad human being to do

932
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: what you're suggesting. But I wonder, and I don't I

933
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: genuinely don't know the entrance, But I wonder if a

934
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: part of this that competitive fire that he appears to

935
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: have and that he's gonna learn, he's still going to

936
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: grow and mature, is going to be like you know

937
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: what I want to I want to see if I

938
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: can make this work. And again, like his numbers this year. Uh,

939
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing my voting for for all NBA teams,

940
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: Like it was hard for me not to put Zion on. No,

941
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: I didn't. It was hard. He ended up missing you

942
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: know a lot of games. But um, I left him

943
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: off on third. I was gonna put him on thirteen.

944
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: I ended up putting Jason Tatum over him. Yeah, butler

945
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: on there. No, I didn't either. Um. But my point

946
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: is is that I just as great as Zion's individual

947
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: numbers were this year. I wonder if that is the

948
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: wake up call for him this offseason to say, listen,

949
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: I could put up these unbelievable numbers, but if we're

950
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: not winning, it doesn't mean anything. And the me interrupted

951
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: Jared on a title winning team, can Zion Williamson be

952
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: your best player? Yeah, I don't think. I don't. I

953
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: can't say no yet to that question. All right, that's

954
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: interesting because mostly the number ones are wings, right, or

955
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: or or guards. I don't but just keep remember this.

956
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: Remember this. When the Pelicans finally got rolling this year

957
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: and finally started to make a run, he was the

958
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: point guard dan Ban Gundhy. It took him like two

959
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: months into the season to recognize the offense needs to

960
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: run through every possession Zion, because there was a couple

961
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: of early season late close games where the inbound would

962
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: come to brandon Ingram and Zion wouldn't touch the ball

963
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: on multiple late game possessions, and You're just sitting there

964
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: scratching your head, being like, dude, he's the most dominant

965
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: inside presence we have. He's the closest thing since Shack

966
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: in terms of his ability inside the paint to score

967
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: with defenders draped all over him, and he's not touching

968
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: the ball. So Stan finally said, you know what, he's

969
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: getting the ball to start the possession and we'll run

970
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: all offense through him. Brandon Ingram for Kemba. I'm sure

971
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: that you know brandon Ingram, Brown and Tatum is like

972
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: three of the similar player on Boston. I don't know

973
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: if they want to do that on the wing, but

974
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: um yeah, I think more more Zion less brandon Ingland

975
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: probably is a winning path for the Pells. I forgot that.

976
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Speaker 1: You know Stan van Gundy. You've done a lot of

977
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: stuff with him, right uh, and and other gentlemen and

978
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: the Pelicans. So I hope I didn't put you on

979
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: the spot to no, no, no, I'll talk about anybody.

980
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: And these guys know too that you know. It's like

981
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: I said at the beginning with you, I deserve criticism

982
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: if I mess things up, and they know that they

983
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: can be criticized. Listen, there's nobody more upset that they

984
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs this year than the Pelicans. Like

985
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: there's nothing you or I could say to criticize the

986
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: Pelicans that they're already not saying. Internal. Yeah, I know,

987
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: and this is tough, but like you literally have one job.

988
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: You have Zion. The second they won that ping pong lottery,

989
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 1: it's how do we build a winner around this guy?

990
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: And then what two years no playoffs? Um, they better

991
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: make it next year or it's gonna it's gonna be real,

992
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: real difficult. And the West is not getting easier. The

993
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: West is not getting easier, but they're getting better. And

994
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: I think it just goes back to like Zion's numbers

995
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: might not be as good next year as they were

996
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: this year, but I think they'll be more impactful. A

997
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: Trey Young type step back to go forward. Yeah, yeah,

998
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: sure absolutely. I mean Young was like second in the

999
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: league in scoring last year, but they lost a million games.

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00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: You don't know how many Twitter battles I had with people,

1001
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: and I shouldn't engage my in this type of stuff,

1002
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: But like people at the trade deadline, I'm sorry. At

1003
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: the All Star break we're in Atlanta, were so upset

1004
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: that Trey Young wasn't an All Star this year, and

1005
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: and now they're coming back and me saying, look, look

1006
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: what Trey Young's doing the playoffs. Yeah. Look, he's a

1007
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: different player today than he was before the All Star Break.

1008
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: He was not an All Star and that's why he

1009
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: didn't make it, all right. Jared Greenberg, Sideline Guys studio

1010
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: host All Knowing NBA Oracle Jared green Bay, Jared, great stuff,

1011
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: and you know, good luck on all the sideline interviews

1012
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: the rest of the playoffs. Thanks for asking me a

1013
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: lot of real questions. Appreciate it.