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Speaker 1: sow there. But if you've been listening to some of

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Speaker 1: pirates of history. Yes, so I do have a question

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Speaker 1: for you Annie, oh pirate related questions, Yes, because pirates

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Speaker 1: have been pretty romanticized in general. Do you have or

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Speaker 1: Oh no, this is actually kind of embarrassing, but I

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Speaker 1: and when Pirates of the Caribbean came out, and this

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Speaker 1: you're not the only one. Johnny Depp took the hearts

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Speaker 1: that every time I think of Pirates. Unfortunately, this has

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Speaker 1: And next we're talking about a pirate queen or perhaps chieftain,

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Speaker 1: Chin She was originally know with Sha Zingu, who married

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Speaker 1: thank you, which is the Fragrant Maiden is China's Most Wanted,

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Speaker 1: most wanted, This country's least wanted girls and ghost gods.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't born. I can't embald out of my mother.

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Speaker 1: I allowed her breast into boats of China, my country,

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Speaker 1: And just to go back to and Bonnie and Mary

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