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Speaker 1: again this week we have a mystery for you and
Speaker 1: we're going to share it, which is going to be
Speaker 1: the quite cleverly named Project Lucifer. I like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a listener's suggestion. I'm going to say this
Speaker 1: now because I always forget this stuff. It was suggested
Speaker 1: by Dallas quite a while back. So thank you Dallas name. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: what is Project Lucifer space? Yes, it happens in space.
Speaker 1: In a single sentence, Project Lucifer is a supposed plan
Speaker 1: to create a second son in our solar system, which
Speaker 1: I like. I like the idea. I think it's really
Speaker 1: not a good idea, but that's for you know, my
Speaker 1: own selfish reasons. We'll go over that, reasons why we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that. Okay, we should probably just dive right
Speaker 1: in because there's a little bit to go over. Off,
Speaker 1: let's launch. Come on, Joe, where's your punt? You spaced out? Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: if anybody has read much sci fi, then you've probably
Speaker 1: read Arthur C. Clark's novel two thousand one, A Space Odyssey.
Speaker 1: And even if you haven't read that book, you've probably
Speaker 1: seen Stanley Kubrick's movie of the same name, Bump bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump,
Speaker 1: bump bum. Yes, once again, Kubrick has made an appearance
Speaker 1: in the show. I really like him, so apparently hoarding
Speaker 1: him in wherever I can. Well, what people may not
Speaker 1: know is that there was a second book, and then
Speaker 1: a second film, which was called in ten Odyssey to Well,
Speaker 1: if you haven't read the book or you haven't seen
Speaker 1: the movie and you intend to, you should probably stop
Speaker 1: the podcast right now because spoilers. I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: about it. I think it's been thirty plus years. I
Speaker 1: think we're safe. But if it's in your queue and
Speaker 1: you want to pause us now, it's the time to
Speaker 1: do it. All right. For the rest of you who
Speaker 1: are listening, here's what's going on in the second book.
Speaker 1: The monolith, which was in the first book and movie,
Speaker 1: it is still orbiting Jupiter. The monolith eventually ends up
Speaker 1: on the surface of Jupiter, where they resurrect. They're dead. No,
Speaker 1: that's not wrong. Yeah, it's Cubic's idea and two thousand
Speaker 1: one of Space Odyssey resurrect dead on planet Jupiter. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're right, don't question. That is not the storyline. All
Speaker 1: the storyline is that the monolith ends up on the
Speaker 1: surface of Jupiter, at which point it begins to replicate itself.
Speaker 1: And I'm actually sure that that's what happened. I read
Speaker 1: a couple of synopsi, and basically what happens is that
Speaker 1: it ends up on the surface, it grows it's growing enough,
Speaker 1: and they say that is replicating itself to create more mass.
Speaker 1: It becomes a dark spot on Jupiter. You actually it's
Speaker 1: observable from space. It is growing so long. It well,
Speaker 1: it's been a long time since I've read the book.
Speaker 1: But but essentially the gist of two thousand one is
Speaker 1: that the Aliens left a wormhole next to Jupiter. That's
Speaker 1: what allowed our asked not to travel to them. He
Speaker 1: makes an appearance in the second one, by the way, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And so I always sort of assumed that they were
Speaker 1: just chunking, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands of
Speaker 1: these monolists through the wormhole, rather than it replicating itself.
Speaker 1: That I didn't read the book, and I didn't want
Speaker 1: I didn't have the time to watch really what happened,
Speaker 1: but that important. What happens is suddenly there are a
Speaker 1: bunch of monoliths of the similar nature in the thing
Speaker 1: little area, correct, and the monoliths begin to condense the Jupiter,
Speaker 1: which is a gas giant with additional mass. And it
Speaker 1: is this application of the additional mass that allows Jupiter
Speaker 1: to transform into a new small sun, which is super
Speaker 1: awesome for the moons around Jupiter, which are considered to
Speaker 1: potentially be habitable if they just had the right that
Speaker 1: sun and heat and all of that. So hey woo.
Speaker 1: These moons are specifically Europa, which has ice, right, it
Speaker 1: does have ice. I believe Europa is the one that
Speaker 1: has all the cracks because of something coming from side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there red is am I correct in that I can't
Speaker 1: keep them. And then there's Enchilada. Don't Joe, You're actually
Speaker 1: pretty close because they're thirty some odd moods are much Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's Europa and Io are the big ones that
Speaker 1: everybody points to and as being possibly habitable. And then
Speaker 1: there's gannym of course, which also, by the way, Arthur C.
Speaker 1: Clark wrote a fun short story about many many years
Speaker 1: ago which I can't remember the name of, but I
Speaker 1: think it was called The Sentinel, but it was. It
Speaker 1: was kind of the basis for two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: But interesting, interesting little story, Ganny. It actually turns out
Speaker 1: to be this enormous space, enormous spacecraft and not at
Speaker 1: all humanity gets out there. So you know, I like,
Speaker 1: there's a one that I heard a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago where Europa because the ice, you know, everybody thinks
Speaker 1: there's something living under the ice, like microscopic bacterial stuff.
Speaker 1: It turns out there's actually crack in size creatures living
Speaker 1: under it. Every time we land on it, they suck.
Speaker 1: They suck the capsules with people down because hey, look
Speaker 1: crunchy shell soft inside. It's like kitty bar. It a
Speaker 1: once every billion years or so, so we better take advantage. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: back to our story, the original story that we were
Speaker 1: talking about, the second Jupiter turns into a second son.
Speaker 1: That son is named Lucifer. But keep in mind, Lucifer
Speaker 1: isn't used in a negative connotation, which you know if
Speaker 1: you've read been spent any time around the Bible, the
Speaker 1: name Lucifer has a lot of negativity around it. Well,
Speaker 1: it's not that. Instead, it's reflection of the fact that
Speaker 1: the word lucifer as an adjective in Latin means light bringing.
Speaker 1: Actually turns out if it's a now and it means
Speaker 1: morning star. And I know that I have heard lucifer
Speaker 1: used in that way for both in Oh God, it's
Speaker 1: it's religious studies. People have talked about the morning star
Speaker 1: used to be called Lucifer, and you don't hear it
Speaker 1: that often but that's where it comes from. Probably wrong,
Speaker 1: but that's off the cuff. So I'm sure everybody is wondering,
Speaker 1: why in the hell I just gave the to a
Speaker 1: book in a movie. We're not a we're not a
Speaker 1: film review podcast. We're not that other podcast, not linguistics either. No, Well,
Speaker 1: it turns out, believe it or not, there are conspiracy
Speaker 1: theorists who believe that this is possible, not only possible,
Speaker 1: but they claim that this is one of NASA's ongoing
Speaker 1: projects and it's totally real. Not with those budget cuts,
Speaker 1: is not. Well, just saying okay, so there's there's okay, well, okay,
Speaker 1: so credits, we're going to cut now because we're done.
Speaker 1: That's great, pet No, No, it's just you know, actually,
Speaker 1: I mean if they if they are capable of keeping
Speaker 1: this a secret, they can actually have a black budget too.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. I guess all those weather satellites, not
Speaker 1: really Weather's budget might be a lot lot bigger than
Speaker 1: you think. It's true. Yeah, it's all monopoly money at
Speaker 1: this point anyway. Yeah, anyway, so let's go, let's jump
Speaker 1: into a little bit of science. Why would somebody think
Speaker 1: this was real? Well, there is some real science to it,
Speaker 1: and then there's some pseudo science. Let's just let's just
Speaker 1: walk through all of that as quickly as possible here. So,
Speaker 1: first off, Jupiter, like I said before, if you know
Speaker 1: anything about it, it's a gas giant planet. It's a
Speaker 1: giant planet. And Jupiter as a gas giant is referred
Speaker 1: to sometimes as a failed star, which is kind of
Speaker 1: harsh in my opinion. How do you think that makes
Speaker 1: Jupiter feel? Yeah? Um no, So what it basically means
Speaker 1: is that if Jupiter had more mass, then theoretically it
Speaker 1: could have become a star too. Aren't we just as
Speaker 1: much a failed star? Huh No, But we don't have
Speaker 1: the gas to make the nuclear fusion. So no, we're
Speaker 1: not a star. We are not a star. We're like
Speaker 1: sea level. Yeah, okay, no, So anyway back to back
Speaker 1: to actually going into the science here. Yeah, mass mass.
Speaker 1: That is the huge problem is that it doesn't have
Speaker 1: enough mass to be able to allow for sustained nuclear fusion.
Speaker 1: So instead it's a guest Jane. It doesn't have that ability. Now. Sadly,
Speaker 1: for Jupiter, it's calculated that depending on who does the math,
Speaker 1: it would need at least ninety times more mass than
Speaker 1: it has right now, going to start maybe perhaps ye source,
Speaker 1: I mean it really it depends on who's doing the math,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, you split airs at that point.
Speaker 1: To me, it doesn't because there ain't that much mass
Speaker 1: in the Solar System, because there's outside of the Sun.
Speaker 1: They're just doesn't They're correct. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: other planets that are around the same size as Jupiter
Speaker 1: out there that have managed to achieve nuclear fusion. Those
Speaker 1: are what are referred to as a brown dwarf, and
Speaker 1: those are actually they're bigger than Jupiter. They are, they are.
Speaker 1: So when I read it and it's described Jupiter is
Speaker 1: at the extreme low end of possibly becoming a brown dwarf.
Speaker 1: And what I've heard is that the stream, Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: heard this way far below. Like you know, I've heard
Speaker 1: that the minimum size for a brown dwarf is about
Speaker 1: thirteen Jupiter masses. I wouldn't be surprised in terms of
Speaker 1: actual size. It might be about the right side, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't have the mass. The mass what is what matters.
Speaker 1: So let's do this because I am really bad when
Speaker 1: it comes to description of this stuff, and I think
Speaker 1: you're going to do a better job than I am. Joe.
Speaker 1: Can you briefly, are you able to explain to people
Speaker 1: what mass means versus size, yes, versus side. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, like it's real simple. I mean,
Speaker 1: take two balloons, blow one up with air from your
Speaker 1: mouth and fill the other one with water from your
Speaker 1: faucet to about the same size, and you'll notice that
Speaker 1: even though they are the same size, one has different maps.
Speaker 1: They have different masses, different different densities density. There's the
Speaker 1: thank you one way is more so, so that's what
Speaker 1: we're getting at here. We're gonna throw around the word
Speaker 1: mass a number of times going forward. So that's why
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that you had a good back at the
Speaker 1: envelope explanation. Thank you. And the reason mass is important
Speaker 1: in this context is because the more mass, the more gravity,
Speaker 1: and therefore the more it compresses itself, which is what
Speaker 1: you need for to for stars to exist, as you
Speaker 1: need that massive pressure to be into not only ignite
Speaker 1: that that fusion reaction, but also keep it contained because
Speaker 1: the key point for a star is that the nuclear
Speaker 1: the process of nuclear fusion is always pushing outwards, but
Speaker 1: the intense gravity of the mass of the star itself
Speaker 1: is always pulling it back in, and so it keeps
Speaker 1: it in this sort of perfect goldie Goldilocks zone where
Speaker 1: it's balanced. Now, eventually, through the process of nuclear fusions,
Speaker 1: stars like our son eventually will burn up enough that
Speaker 1: it's mass or reduce it's gravitational force were reduced, and
Speaker 1: suddenly it'll start spewing that stuff out, not being able
Speaker 1: to contain it anymore. And that's when you start to
Speaker 1: get into the death cycle of a star. And you know,
Speaker 1: and don't don't get stressed about it. That's not supposed
Speaker 1: to happen for at least like two more years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got time. It's it's, it's it's it's a number
Speaker 1: that is so big you'll never have to worry about it.
Speaker 1: It's not trillions, but it's billions of brown dwarf though different,
Speaker 1: different kind of thing, right, not like our son is
Speaker 1: not what our son is a star. It's a yellow dwarf.
Speaker 1: A brown dwarf does not does put out some radiance,
Speaker 1: but it's not in a spectrum. It's not very bright.
Speaker 1: It's not in the for us, I don't believe it's
Speaker 1: actually in the visible spectrum. We can see, but it's
Speaker 1: it's not a shining star something having it towards like
Speaker 1: the low end of like the oranges, oranges and reds
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah, and but not as much
Speaker 1: as our son because they're actually affusing different elements. I
Speaker 1: don't think they have enough feeling us and they don't
Speaker 1: know how the helium et cetera and hydrogen and stuff
Speaker 1: to to actually have that kind of reaction, so they
Speaker 1: have a lower level kind of reaction, which is like
Speaker 1: deuterium and something else. So it's just darker essentially. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't put out as much heat in mind, basically
Speaker 1: not as hot simple version, but also not as bright, right,
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't illuminate the planets around it as much
Speaker 1: as well. Is that true? That would be true. It
Speaker 1: would with different color light, different with different level, different
Speaker 1: kinds of radiations, So life on another planet around the
Speaker 1: groundwarf would look a lot different. Planets would not be
Speaker 1: green and assuming they would be something else. But he
Speaker 1: something akin to like Crypton, you know from the Superman comics.
Speaker 1: His star was a different color. So when he came
Speaker 1: here he had all of these things blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of the way they could see, so
Speaker 1: they could get the comic books. Great reference, and actually
Speaker 1: they can't sustain in life. It's just the planet's going
Speaker 1: to have to be a lot closer to it than
Speaker 1: we like a moon might be. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That
Speaker 1: science having been covered, here's what our friendly neighborhood conspiracy
Speaker 1: theorists feel is actually going on, or believe is actually
Speaker 1: going on. Is they think that the lack of mass
Speaker 1: and Jupiter could be solved by simply adding nuclear fuel
Speaker 1: to it. So this supposedly would jump start the process
Speaker 1: of nuclear fusion. Again, Remember, the process of nuclear fusion
Speaker 1: is what creates the radiance of a star. It's what
Speaker 1: produced sends out the light and the heat radiation. I'll
Speaker 1: point out that sometimes where when you're doing the reading,
Speaker 1: Jupiter is not the only planet that is referenced. You
Speaker 1: will also see Saturn brought up in this discussion. I'm
Speaker 1: going to leave Saturn out for now when we talk
Speaker 1: about this, we're still only going to be talking about Jupiter.
Speaker 1: Eventually we'll talk about Saturn, but from here until I
Speaker 1: say again, it's all Jupiter all the time. Saturn is
Speaker 1: like a lot smaller than Jupiter. Actually, that's problem Okay,
Speaker 1: so we've got this planet and we're gonna start start
Speaker 1: nuclear fusion, and so how are we going to do it? Well,
Speaker 1: it turns out that we're going to use NASA's probes.
Speaker 1: That's how we're gonna do it, because there's Galileo, Cassini
Speaker 1: and Voyager and a whole bunch of others in the
Speaker 1: Deep Space Fleet that could do this, and there's a
Speaker 1: good reason for it. The way a deep space probe
Speaker 1: works is once you get past Mars, there really isn't no.
Speaker 1: It turns out once you get past Mars, the problem
Speaker 1: is that you cannot rely on solar solar panels to
Speaker 1: create enough electrical fuel for the satellite's to work. So
Speaker 1: they have to have a secondary. They have to have
Speaker 1: a different source, and that different source is what is
Speaker 1: called an RTG that stands for radioisotope thermoelectric generator. That
Speaker 1: not me. Yeah, well you know sometimes I do things right,
Speaker 1: not often, So that is their fuel source. And actually
Speaker 1: a bit of current pop culture is if you ever
Speaker 1: read Andy Were's The Martian, you actually might be familiar movie. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: I don't think they went into the RTG that much
Speaker 1: of the movie. I didn't see either because you know
Speaker 1: previously mentioned I don't like stuff like that. Yeah, forget
Speaker 1: you hate the lost space. These arts are cool, pretty
Speaker 1: cool to the units I really would love to have
Speaker 1: on myself. Yeah no, no, not at all. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: here's why Joe, I don't want one, because here's the
Speaker 1: problem is that rtigs are radioactive and they are putting
Speaker 1: off radiation is not good for you know, it's actually
Speaker 1: good for you. It makes you get bigger, you're grow
Speaker 1: an extra armed there's a green yeah, and then you
Speaker 1: start to waste away and die. Yeah. So here's here's
Speaker 1: how an RTG works. RTGs use plutonium to thirty eight.
Speaker 1: It's in pellet form, and the heat from the radio
Speaker 1: active elements that radioactive process that's in the plutonium. It
Speaker 1: goes through a thermo coupler, which is a material that
Speaker 1: produces a direct electrical current when heat is applied to
Speaker 1: it's it's using the heat to create electricity, but uses
Speaker 1: heat instead of light. Yes, that's absolutely right. The nice
Speaker 1: thing about the RTGs, why they're so popular is that
Speaker 1: they have no moving parts, so there's nothing to break.
Speaker 1: In that fashion, they're super simple. For instance, the Galileo
Speaker 1: Space Probe. It had two RTGs on board um, which
Speaker 1: you know, gave it all the power it needed and
Speaker 1: was carrying approximately seventeen pounds of plutonium thirty eight, so
Speaker 1: it's it's a small load to get lots of energy from.
Speaker 1: I've heard that the Rush has used quite a few
Speaker 1: of these just for powering lighthouses up, like in the
Speaker 1: Arctic Circle. Yeah, they do. It's hundreds of miles of
Speaker 1: cabling has got electricity running through it, and that's how
Speaker 1: the electricity has generated. That's what they used to tell
Speaker 1: people on the cruise ship. If you didn't know that
Speaker 1: I worked on a cruise ship, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: People would ask like, do you you know does the
Speaker 1: do you have to gas up or anything like that,
Speaker 1: And first mate, he always said, um, oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: What you can't see is the extension cord that well,
Speaker 1: you're actually running on little tracks with little brushes like
Speaker 1: slot cars your kids down. That's how it works, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how we're going to do space travel from now
Speaker 1: and just put tracks everywhere. So people would actually ask you, guys,
Speaker 1: if you had to refuel. Yeah, they really did ask it.
Speaker 1: They really did people's stupidity has no bounds. I guess not. Sorry,
Speaker 1: let's let's move were talking, Yes, let's go back to it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So so far, we've talked about how Jupiter works, We've
Speaker 1: talked about how the power for space probes works. In
Speaker 1: a second, we're going to talk about how that's going
Speaker 1: to apply to Project Lucifer to make a big second
Speaker 1: son in our solar system. But why that's that's a question.
Speaker 1: But why why go through all of this effort? The
Speaker 1: reason is it is what we talked about before with
Speaker 1: Ghanymede and what was the other um Enlada and Europe. Okay,
Speaker 1: the idea is that the reason to do this is
Speaker 1: to create other habitable worlds in our local solar system.
Speaker 1: So it's a new planet that would be habitable that
Speaker 1: we could then you know, send whatever we wanted there
Speaker 1: and turn it into whatever we wanted. And it's literally,
Speaker 1: you know, months away by current today's spacecraft technology. So
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty damn close. But wouldn't it mess up
Speaker 1: our solar system? Not necessarily that we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: There's there's there that's the issues with this people up
Speaker 1: a little bit. Well, that depends on how you do it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I okay, I do it. If you do it
Speaker 1: in the way that scientifically possible, Yes, it would, if
Speaker 1: you do it in the way they're talking about monolith
Speaker 1: yeah it would not. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, that's fine. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I just like I keep asking myself, like, why would
Speaker 1: we want to do this? Yeah, that's that's in That's
Speaker 1: a completely valid question. I've asked that a lot. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's fun reasons. So the supporters of Project Lucifer for
Speaker 1: the RTGs that we were just talking about before we
Speaker 1: went off on that, uh, they say that Project Lucifer
Speaker 1: is going to be using the radioactive material that is
Speaker 1: in the RTGs to create an atomic bomb when they
Speaker 1: crash the craft into the atmosphere of the planet, and
Speaker 1: once it's fallen far enough into the gas giant, the
Speaker 1: high pressures at the depths of it are going to
Speaker 1: ignite did at which into a nuclear reaction, at which
Speaker 1: point it's then going to be able to create a
Speaker 1: sustained nuclear fusion situation. All of them, We're doing that
Speaker 1: with all of them, or just we just we just
Speaker 1: need one to work, just one payload to work. Yes, one,
Speaker 1: We just got to get that one spot on in
Speaker 1: the right, there's a job thirty four pounds of that
Speaker 1: stuff on on the probe, right, It depends on the
Speaker 1: probe on how much there is. So like when we
Speaker 1: were talking just a minute ago about Galileo, it's got
Speaker 1: seventeen pounds to our t g Oh, you're right, I'm sorry, yeah, Tom, Sure, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: But but the key here is that it's the pressure
Speaker 1: of Jupiter that's what's going to do it. Because if
Speaker 1: you know, we set off nuclear bombs on this planet
Speaker 1: and our planet is not a star, we didn't have
Speaker 1: uncontrolled nuclear fusion because it burned out if there was
Speaker 1: nothing to contain it. So with that low depths, that's
Speaker 1: where they're saying that's going to allow it to hold
Speaker 1: that process. Going, I know, it's cookie science. I see
Speaker 1: the look on your face. Yeah, I'm at the point
Speaker 1: right now in this episode where I'm thinking, well, am
Speaker 1: I so naive about science that I like literally don't
Speaker 1: understand that? Or is this just bad like that bad
Speaker 1: of science? I don't know. Well, it's well, one thing
Speaker 1: one of the things you got to know about Jupiter
Speaker 1: is that it doesn't have a similar It's atmosphere is
Speaker 1: a lot deeper than ours, and so at the surface
Speaker 1: wherever the surfaces, if it even exists, we're not even
Speaker 1: totally sure about that. The pressures are going to be
Speaker 1: tremendously high. Whether they're high enough to sustain and actually
Speaker 1: contain a fusion reaction, well that's a different story. But
Speaker 1: they are extremely high by our earthly standards. So it's
Speaker 1: not bad science. I'm just scientists. Either of those or
Speaker 1: both of those exclusively. Someone says, not bad science, okay,
Speaker 1: I would say that. So crash a probe into the planet,
Speaker 1: It explodes, it creates this gas giants, nuclear fusion, sustained
Speaker 1: reaction turns Jupiter into another star through this runaway nuclear
Speaker 1: refusion process, and walla, we've got all these habitable worlds.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. But I mean it's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not as if as scary and crazy
Speaker 1: it might sound. It's not like they've ever tried it,
Speaker 1: or have they, Because this is what has really got
Speaker 1: people going is back in two thousand three, Galileo, the
Speaker 1: the spacecraft, the probe. I keep calling it a probe.
Speaker 1: I don't actually really know if probe is the right word.
Speaker 1: It's a spacecraft, though probe. Probe works. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a spacecraft, it's an identified flying object. It is identified
Speaker 1: flying object. Well true, Well Galileo was. It been on
Speaker 1: its mission for many, many years, and it was running
Speaker 1: out of fuel. The reaction it could not sustain it
Speaker 1: much longer in its RTGs. So what NASA decided to do, uh,
Speaker 1: and this is their official reason, is they said, listen,
Speaker 1: we don't want it to crash into one of the
Speaker 1: moons and potentially contaminated with bacteria or anything like that
Speaker 1: from planet Earth. We want to keep it pure and
Speaker 1: pristine in its own way. So what we're gonna do
Speaker 1: is instead we're going to crash it into Jupiter and
Speaker 1: destroy it that way, getting rid of any nasty hitchheckers,
Speaker 1: because who wants Earth crap on their planets? In my brain,
Speaker 1: I think if they were actually trying to colonize the
Speaker 1: moons as planets, it would maybe be helpful to start
Speaker 1: putting Earth bacteria on there. But on the other hand,
Speaker 1: as somebody who's interested in trying to find those things
Speaker 1: unique to other places, that makes a lot of sense contaminating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know for sure you find that back to
Speaker 1: her there it evolved you know, autonomously from something that
Speaker 1: we did well. And plus also you want to actually,
Speaker 1: if you're going to do that, do a controlled thing
Speaker 1: where you actually introduce bacteria that you want to do
Speaker 1: rather than in this case, I think it was just
Speaker 1: whatever straight crap was laying around the lab that hitched
Speaker 1: to board that thing, So it could be some negatives.
Speaker 1: The labs are always are clean, but once it gets
Speaker 1: to the the launch site and it gets launched, you know,
Speaker 1: there's just there and then there's Freddy who's coming out
Speaker 1: with the flu who sneezed on it, you know, and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Do you want influence of viruses like
Speaker 1: replicating on on their own? Probably not? Probably not so
Speaker 1: our friendly neighborhood conspiracy theories they see this act of
Speaker 1: crashing Galileo into Jupiter and they say, ah ha, that
Speaker 1: is evidence that you are trying to make Project Lucifer happen.
Speaker 1: That's what's going on. Okay, Well, but there didn't They
Speaker 1: just disprove their own theory, right. They were like, all
Speaker 1: you have to do is crash one probe into there
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah. So NASA crashed a
Speaker 1: probe into there and what happened. Nothing they tried and
Speaker 1: they didn't quite do at this time. Remember, just because
Speaker 1: they crash it in there doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: They have to do it right, So bear with me
Speaker 1: through this. Like I said, they believed that as it
Speaker 1: went through to the depths of Jupiter, the pressure was
Speaker 1: going to set off the plutonium in the RTG and
Speaker 1: we were going to get this nuclear reaction. And of
Speaker 1: course NASA holding up there into the cover up is
Speaker 1: always said duh, that's not possible, dude, to which case
Speaker 1: they said, duh, stop lying to us. Well, NASA seems
Speaker 1: just a little bit too eager to quell these rumors. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and thankfully. I mean, you know, NASA was bad at
Speaker 1: what they were trying to do because nothing actually happened.
Speaker 1: Right wrong again, Dunny, Wrong again, because a month or
Speaker 1: so after Galileo went down into the atmosphere of Jupiter,
Speaker 1: a dark spot appeared on Jupiter. About a month later
Speaker 1: there was this giant Earth sized dark spot. So we
Speaker 1: were able to observe this. I ask if it was
Speaker 1: monolith shaped, No, no, it was. It was a circle,
Speaker 1: but it was it was huge. It was it was large.
Speaker 1: Although it looked to me like it was probably a
Speaker 1: shadow cast by one of j It was moving, so
Speaker 1: people said it was it was our friendly neighborhood conspiracy
Speaker 1: theorists said that is a proof that it worked. The
Speaker 1: plutonium exploded, it went off, it just did not create
Speaker 1: a sustained nuclear reaction, so there was this big plume
Speaker 1: and that's what came to the surface. Scientists have instead said,
Speaker 1: as you, Joe just pointed out it was a shadow,
Speaker 1: or others have said it was on the equator of Jupiter,
Speaker 1: which it turns out is amazingly turbulent, and they're like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it it was some kind of crazy storm, giant giant storm,
Speaker 1: which I don't want to be in the middle of.
Speaker 1: I'm sure weather is quite fun. J Maybe another reason
Speaker 1: to turn it into a sun and so we don't ever, ever, ever,
Speaker 1: ever have to deal with the weather. Yeah that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean we were so going to go down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Okay that I feel like we've gotten everything across in
Speaker 1: terms of what the story is. I feel like maybe
Speaker 1: it might be a little bit confusing. So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna do what I don't normally do, which is just
Speaker 1: the briefest of recaps. Drop a nuclear bomb of some
Speaker 1: shape or form they say, into the atmosphere of Jupiter.
Speaker 1: That's gonna go off. That's going to create a nuclear
Speaker 1: reaction which is going to turn it into a sun,
Speaker 1: which would would be hot, which would then also allow
Speaker 1: the that nuclear reaction trainings with sun would turn the
Speaker 1: moons of Jupiter into habitable worlds. And and proof is
Speaker 1: that we dropped a spacecraft into it, and oh look,
Speaker 1: we got this giant dark spot that proves that it
Speaker 1: went off. We just didn't achieve sustained reaction the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that might explain why NASA is currently working what
Speaker 1: they call the Big Gas Probe. That it was like
Speaker 1: twenty times bigger than than they're not actually a nuclear
Speaker 1: fuel remarkably enough. Okay, so that is our story. We
Speaker 1: are now going to get into theories. But before we
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Speaker 1: that's our first section of the theories. Portion is so
Speaker 1: why do this? And we briefly covered this a little
Speaker 1: bit before, and the answer is to play god of course. Duh.
Speaker 1: So the idea that some organization which wants to set
Speaker 1: up a planet on its own terms isn't all that
Speaker 1: far fetched according to a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 1: we have read. I mean, we've heard about these societies
Speaker 1: that want to change governments on this planet. So why
Speaker 1: is it so far fetched that somebody might say, hey,
Speaker 1: let's just take our ball and leave and set up
Speaker 1: our own somewhere else. There are plenty of dystopian movies
Speaker 1: and books about this very sort of thing, be where
Speaker 1: the elite get live off planet and everybody else suffers
Speaker 1: below or whatever. Yeah, So I mean it's it's the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Is that so that the this society or
Speaker 1: this group that wants to create a new society I
Speaker 1: should say they want to move everybody who is worthwhile,
Speaker 1: and I use air quotes around the world worthwhile. I
Speaker 1: don't know what their criteria is, but they they're going
Speaker 1: to use them to repopulate these newly habitable moons around
Speaker 1: this new sun of Jupiter or the new sun that
Speaker 1: is made from Jupiter Lucifer, and they're gonna make their
Speaker 1: own civilization. They're not going to have any of that
Speaker 1: riff raff that this planet is just bogged down with,
Speaker 1: or any of those crappy processes. You know, they're not
Speaker 1: going to have any of that stuff. They're going to
Speaker 1: be really upset when they find out you can't have
Speaker 1: a society without people who are kind of dumb. And
Speaker 1: the TPS report will always live on. Yeah, I think that,
Speaker 1: but but you know, any off planet society, they're gonna
Speaker 1: leave most of the rip rap behind anyway, because when
Speaker 1: you're looking to take somebody your to your new colony,
Speaker 1: obviously you're not gonna be recruited. You're not gonna recruit
Speaker 1: high school dropouts with no skills there, so you know,
Speaker 1: and then you're not going to recruit home most people
Speaker 1: in heroin addicts. Well but but okay, but wait, but
Speaker 1: but you know what, manual labor has to be done
Speaker 1: nothing and nothing happens with how some guy cleaning out
Speaker 1: to slop pens and turning a wrench. You're probably not
Speaker 1: going to recruit people who like have a pension for murder.
Speaker 1: You know, you might leave them behind. And by the
Speaker 1: time we're actually ready to start colonizing other planets in earnest,
Speaker 1: most of the manual labor is gonna be done by machines.
Speaker 1: And so the guy that's got to maintain the machines
Speaker 1: and that'll be that'll be a high skilled job. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna he's not gonna be some second dumbass, okay,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, you're not gonna be taking anything. The
Speaker 1: other thing about it, too, is creating your elite society.
Speaker 1: When you're talking about the kind of money they're talking
Speaker 1: about to create a whole new solar system in our
Speaker 1: solar system. With that kind of money, you could very
Speaker 1: easily just buy a continent here on Earth and just
Speaker 1: move everybody out of it. But you're still on Earth,
Speaker 1: so you're still subject to a certain bozo in a
Speaker 1: certain country who decides he wants to set off nuclear
Speaker 1: bombs and he's just fouled the pools for everybody. That
Speaker 1: can happen, that's true. So you don't have that problem
Speaker 1: if you just leave the pool and go to your own,
Speaker 1: you know, to go to the one next door. I
Speaker 1: suppose it just seems like kind of an expensive solution
Speaker 1: to me, but I suppose that would work well, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's why you're the riff raffles getting left behind. Okay,
Speaker 1: So so who is doing this? Who? Who is the
Speaker 1: group that's going to do this? Are seen Illuminati and
Speaker 1: the second Son. You know, I have seen that it's
Speaker 1: been the Illuminati have been pointed at. I've seen that
Speaker 1: it might be the Freemasons. I've never seen it, the
Speaker 1: Shriners or the Moose. I'm pretty sure they can't make
Speaker 1: the trip, but they're actually there's a whole another group
Speaker 1: that I hadn't I've I came across this. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have ever listened to Clyde Lewis.
Speaker 1: He's got a syndicated radio program and he's here in Portland.
Speaker 1: But on his site they started talking about this Jason Society. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't know Jason. I didn't know Jason, and so
Speaker 1: I was really really kind of intrigued by this, this
Speaker 1: entire thing made up of super smart scientists that we're
Speaker 1: doing all of these things. And supposedly Jason was originally
Speaker 1: created by President Eisenhower, and I'm gonna I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: read a this is all in quotes here. He put
Speaker 1: together the Jason Scholars to investigate all things cosmic, including
Speaker 1: extraterrestrials UFOs and the so called breakaway group that would
Speaker 1: have to evacuate the planet to start civilization elsewhere. That's
Speaker 1: what Jason was all about. Yes, you're right, is so?
Speaker 1: And there are other grips out there that are they
Speaker 1: are seriously discussing moving humanity, not all of us, but
Speaker 1: but starting us off somewhere else in Mars or new
Speaker 1: stars wherever, to get humanity off the Earth, you know,
Speaker 1: not entirely, but you know, I'm moving us around, spread
Speaker 1: us out. This person in the theory of using like
Speaker 1: hive ships or colony ships is not new. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been around for a long time. That's how we
Speaker 1: got to America. And actually I'm going to reveal it now.
Speaker 1: We are on one right now. They just haven't told
Speaker 1: the dumbasses to step on you guys know this too, obviously,
Speaker 1: it's really the matrix. Yeah, our listeners are smart enough
Speaker 1: they know about this. Nobody I'll does. Okay, So so
Speaker 1: the Jason Society, they're they're going to figure this out,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna they're gonna jettison all the good people
Speaker 1: to this new planet. But what is going to stop
Speaker 1: the rest of us here on planet Earth from cobbling
Speaker 1: our own rockets together clampet style and and go into
Speaker 1: the new good neighborhood and moving in and just turning
Speaker 1: the whole thing south on them. Well, they they probably have,
Speaker 1: like you, big lasers and stuff like that. Well, that's
Speaker 1: that's one of the things you show up. They'll probably
Speaker 1: just like vaporize you. I think they have diamondium, diamonium.
Speaker 1: Oh are you talking about the dice sphere? Okay, different things, Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: know what I was getting at was that if their
Speaker 1: plan to do this works, they're gonna cause some cataclysmic
Speaker 1: problems throughout the rest of the Solar System, which is
Speaker 1: going to stop us from being able to get ourselves there.
Speaker 1: Because when this new start throws off, it's going to
Speaker 1: exert a lot of gravity and it's gonna start sucking
Speaker 1: asteroids out of the asteroid belt and pulling them towards itself,
Speaker 1: which is then gonna make you know, the trip between
Speaker 1: the two it's gonna be, you know, going through a minefield,
Speaker 1: and then a lot of those asteroids are going to
Speaker 1: be coming and falling onto this planet, causing just mayhem,
Speaker 1: clause we're now going to be blasted with radiation that
Speaker 1: we weren't set up to deal with in the first place.
Speaker 1: So basically we're all just gonna meld and they We're like,
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about them. It's not like
Speaker 1: they're ever going to be able to make it here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. That's not gonna happen though, because
Speaker 1: the planet is just to note a nuclear reaction without
Speaker 1: changing the mass of Jupiter. So it's actually not gonna
Speaker 1: master it's not gonna muck with the horrible mechanics of
Speaker 1: the Solar System right much at all. But it will
Speaker 1: it will change it. The mass of the mass of
Speaker 1: Jupiter won't change. It just becomes an illuminated object rather
Speaker 1: than just you know, one that reflects the light. Now
Speaker 1: it creates its own life. But it's the plan is
Speaker 1: not to change its mass at all. But okay, and
Speaker 1: so I mean, if you really want to turn it
Speaker 1: into a star, you have to add a ton of
Speaker 1: mass to it, more mass than can be found in
Speaker 1: the Solar system. Yeah, so that's the only way to
Speaker 1: do it, and that will definitely mess up our orbit.
Speaker 1: But in the fake science, suddenly it has more influence.
Speaker 1: Overly speaking, Okay, I'm saying the opposite of that. I'm
Speaker 1: saying that I agree that according to your you know,
Speaker 1: the fake theory, right, not the fake theory, but the
Speaker 1: fake science behind it. Yet the conspiracy, all they're doing
Speaker 1: is setting off a nuclear reaction. It's not going to
Speaker 1: change it. It's not going to change anything, So there
Speaker 1: will I mean, so it's you know, still fine. They're
Speaker 1: just trusting that we're all too dumb to figure out
Speaker 1: how to get over there. There was partially true that
Speaker 1: people who can operate a spacecraft with them, they will.
Speaker 1: Actually we know how to get there. Now it's just
Speaker 1: it's too expensive. Yeah yeah, and you know they're going
Speaker 1: to take all the people with the money, so it
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. But you know, but I agree that
Speaker 1: if if we're doing it the real way, that's it's
Speaker 1: going to be a problem. Well, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: real way. Let's let's talk about some of the Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the approved science that's not not the alternative
Speaker 1: alternative science. Let's talk about the approved, actual science that
Speaker 1: we get from all of the people who study this
Speaker 1: stuff and seem to be the scholars that most people
Speaker 1: refer to. Let's start with that, talking about that, you know,
Speaker 1: the people that are in the in the employee of
Speaker 1: big oil people that you mean Jason Members. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: not that Jason Members. We're talking about about the guys
Speaker 1: at NASA. The guys, the guys that NASA are part
Speaker 1: of Jason. Maybe they are, of course they are. If
Speaker 1: they're if they're involved in the cover up of Project Lucifer,
Speaker 1: they are part of Jason. Okay, let's go backwards here
Speaker 1: a little bit. Let's let's roll back and let's talk
Speaker 1: about one of the first problems we have, which Joe
Speaker 1: was just talking about, which was or briefly alluding to,
Speaker 1: which is the source of this nuclear fusion process, which
Speaker 1: is the RTG. RTGs are not atomic war heads. They're
Speaker 1: not something that is weapons grade plutonium. That's actually something
Speaker 1: very different. RTGs use plutonium two thirty eight, which is
Speaker 1: called reactor grade a nuclear weapon uses. I love how
Speaker 1: clever this name is weapons grade plutonium, which is plutonium
Speaker 1: to thirty nine. And the other difference is that inside
Speaker 1: of weapons grade plutonium there is also a very very small,
Speaker 1: like single digit percentage of plutonium to forty, whereas reactor
Speaker 1: grade has more plutonium to forty in it. Now, that's
Speaker 1: an important thing to understand, because it is the plutonium
Speaker 1: to forty that makes it harder to sustain a chain
Speaker 1: reaction in the nuclear project. Is why you might want to,
Speaker 1: you know, put it on something you were blasting into space.
Speaker 1: You'd want something fairly stable tiny little space instead of
Speaker 1: something that you know, if got rubbed the wrong way,
Speaker 1: might just explode, especially if you're shooting it into space
Speaker 1: through her atmosphere. They actually, the way they do it
Speaker 1: in the RTGs is they put them all in like
Speaker 1: their own separate, little little container of minimal radium and
Speaker 1: some other stuff that are basically kind of unbreakable, so
Speaker 1: they can't there's not enough in any one of these
Speaker 1: given containers to actually reach what it's called critical mass.
Speaker 1: Critical well, it helps to make it more stable, but
Speaker 1: also even if it was like weapons grade, there wouldn't
Speaker 1: be enough of it to really, I think, be in
Speaker 1: any given space to actually be enough of a critical
Speaker 1: master to turn into a weapon, even if even if
Speaker 1: you but it might express or whatever, not necessarily probably
Speaker 1: not could escape its containers somehow and scatter around and
Speaker 1: poison a few people. What's about it? So here to
Speaker 1: answer your question, it couldn't explode, Okay, if I understand correctly,
Speaker 1: it's the plutonium to forty that has kind of a
Speaker 1: stabilizing effect on the nuclear process. But in nineteen sixty two,
Speaker 1: the United States did conduct an underground nuclear test with
Speaker 1: non weapons grade plutonium so reactor grade PU two forty.
Speaker 1: They were able to get it to explode. It was
Speaker 1: very difficult and it had an extremely low yield. So
Speaker 1: even though they got it to go off, it wasn't
Speaker 1: as if it was, oh my god, we found the
Speaker 1: mother of all explosions. Well this this sucks. This is
Speaker 1: way less than what we already know how to make.
Speaker 1: But of course you gotta you gotta remember too, we
Speaker 1: only know what's in those RTGs because that's what they
Speaker 1: told us. And that is a beautiful point. Joe, I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that we at least got that
Speaker 1: across that this is everything that is I'm going to
Speaker 1: use the word I'm gonna say documented officially. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: we're being lied to. Maybe our friends here in the
Speaker 1: next section are right, and what is on the schematic
Speaker 1: is only a portion or actually completely wrong. I don't know,
Speaker 1: totally wrong. Well, it could be, it could have some
Speaker 1: of it, but it's just you know, they've scaled it
Speaker 1: in some way. But what Joe talked about before was
Speaker 1: the fact that it's so difficult to get the plutonium
Speaker 1: in the RTG to go off, and that is because
Speaker 1: of the fact that each of these bits of PU
Speaker 1: two thirty eight I've seen it describe there about the
Speaker 1: size of a marshmallow, and not the little ones that
Speaker 1: you put in your hot coco, but the bigger marshmallow, Yes,
Speaker 1: a jumbo marshmallow, which is then enclosed, as Joe said,
Speaker 1: in a ridium that is then put into a shockproof
Speaker 1: graphite impact shell that is then put into what they
Speaker 1: call a general purpose heat shield module. And they are
Speaker 1: so multilayer wrapped that they cannot come into contact with
Speaker 1: one another. So I mean, if something goes wrong, let's
Speaker 1: say an asteroid comes flying by and smashes into the
Speaker 1: spacecraft rather than jamming them all together. They are going
Speaker 1: to statter in the wind like packing peanuts. They're they're
Speaker 1: gonna spread about. They shouldn't be colliding with each other.
Speaker 1: And even if they do, they they're so wrapped up
Speaker 1: they can't use so they cannot create um that that
Speaker 1: that critical mass. Yeah, and so they can't go critical
Speaker 1: and so yeah yeah, yeah, so they can't get a
Speaker 1: large enough mass together. But of course that's that's only
Speaker 1: according to what they're telling, correct. Now, The thing to
Speaker 1: remember is that, and this is why it's kind of
Speaker 1: difficult to make a fusion reaction or nuclear reaction happen
Speaker 1: in general, is that you need to be able to
Speaker 1: implode all of the material around the bluetonium equally and
Speaker 1: at the same time, so it's from all sides. If
Speaker 1: you only do it from one side, it's not going
Speaker 1: to react. It's not going to create that that fusion,
Speaker 1: so it's not going to go off. So again, that's
Speaker 1: why the packing peanut method is so good, and it's
Speaker 1: actually really hard to create this perfectly ignited system. We
Speaker 1: did it, I mean in the fourties and World War two.
Speaker 1: The US dropped fat Man on Nagasaki. It used this
Speaker 1: implosion trigger mechanism, but it took to you as many
Speaker 1: many years to get it. By the way, we're not
Speaker 1: fusion bombs those we're just atomic bombs. But they use
Speaker 1: that implosion method. One of them did fat Man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other to use the gun methods little barrel, Yeah,
Speaker 1: used the gun barrel yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean
Speaker 1: they didn't do it the same the whole time because
Speaker 1: it's not easy to do now. They were essentially the
Speaker 1: prototypes and yeah, it's like that they actually had these
Speaker 1: special little switches and everything that out of themselves are
Speaker 1: not exportable item and everything, just just to make sure
Speaker 1: that all the charges go off a precisely the same time,
Speaker 1: because that's what it is. It's just a sphere of explosive,
Speaker 1: all these different charges with all these wires and switches
Speaker 1: and ignitors going to them, and they've all got to
Speaker 1: go off at precisely the same time. If there's a delay,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work. And believe me, you can you can
Speaker 1: wire it up as good as you possibly can, and
Speaker 1: they're actually not going to go off the precisely the
Speaker 1: same time. Like if you and I do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's the question. If you shot something into like Jupiter,
Speaker 1: for instance, is the pressure going to be equal from
Speaker 1: all sides a given time more or less theoretically? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's that's where that's why the science, that's why
Speaker 1: it's Jupiter is one of the places that they use
Speaker 1: this idea for because theoretically, as it falls through the
Speaker 1: atmosphere miles and miles and miles and down, the pressure
Speaker 1: is going to be uniform on all sides, even behind,
Speaker 1: on all sides. I mean, it's it's like the pressure
Speaker 1: on a deep sea. Uh, what is the alvin in
Speaker 1: the the autonomous stuff, the autonomous robots to go into
Speaker 1: the Mariannas Trench and stuff like that, the pressure on
Speaker 1: all sides is basically the same. Here's the next question,
Speaker 1: follow up question, the little containers that they put them in.
Speaker 1: How precise is that right? I mean, human error is
Speaker 1: a thing. Manufacturing defects are a thing. So are they
Speaker 1: all so uniformed that they would also deconstruct at the
Speaker 1: same rate? So our they're not. They're not built to
Speaker 1: that kind of set, that kind of specification. Our friends
Speaker 1: who are putting out all of this are under the
Speaker 1: belief that the intense pressure is going to jam everything
Speaker 1: together at such a great force that it won't matter.
Speaker 1: And basically the iridium is going to separate naturally away
Speaker 1: if I understand it correctly, and then the next layer
Speaker 1: of the packaging peanut is going to separate, and they're
Speaker 1: going to kind of condense, you know, based on their
Speaker 1: own densities. They're gonna re reorganize. And I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. It's weird science. Some of it
Speaker 1: does make sense. I will give them that from a
Speaker 1: layman's perspective. Some of it makes sense, but some of
Speaker 1: it doesn't follow the rules of logic that we've learned well.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that. Let's face it, if if
Speaker 1: NASA really intended to do what they're what they're talking
Speaker 1: about here, then they wouldn't have separated all that that
Speaker 1: great plutonium out in all these little containers. They would
Speaker 1: have put it all together where it could actually be
Speaker 1: touched off. If that was maybe they are, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that. I don't think the pressure on Jupiter
Speaker 1: is ever going to be big enough to actually touch
Speaker 1: off usion reaction. Yeah, but there just isn't enough pressure there.
Speaker 1: So let's and let's say let's do this real quick,
Speaker 1: because a lot of this science of how the Sun
Speaker 1: works it's miles above my pay grade. But we talked
Speaker 1: about it a little bit earlier, and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to go I mean, I've got some stuff written here about,
Speaker 1: you know, the combination of helium and the proton to
Speaker 1: proton chain. Like, we don't need to go into all
Speaker 1: of that. As I read this again, Really, what we
Speaker 1: talked about before is it's got to have enough gravity
Speaker 1: to hold that fusion reaction to itself and not let
Speaker 1: it expel everything out. So the science says that Jupiter,
Speaker 1: even if it did create a sustained reaction, would not
Speaker 1: be able to hold it all in. It would burn
Speaker 1: up and it doesn't spell it all into space. That's why.
Speaker 1: That's why it needs to be times bigger than it is.
Speaker 1: That gives it the gravity to hold it all together
Speaker 1: at the center and sustaining reaction. Yeah yeah, so so sorry, Jupiter,
Speaker 1: that's why you're a failed star. If you just studied
Speaker 1: for the essay t S you would have made it. No,
Speaker 1: she should have just stopped losing weight, stop diet. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: it needs to be a planet. Okay, So we've talked
Speaker 1: about why they're doing this project, Lucifer. We've talked about
Speaker 1: the official why it can't happen science, real science, the
Speaker 1: why it can't happen science. I'm not going to call
Speaker 1: it that because you know, we never turned away theory,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the things we do stilly, but
Speaker 1: we do it. Okay, So we're gonna go into the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist section of their science. It's real, why they
Speaker 1: say it's real. So if you remember we talked about
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty two nuclear test with reactor grade plutonium,
Speaker 1: will they say, Look, it proves that you can light
Speaker 1: this stuff off, so it is entirely possible. What it
Speaker 1: be safe to say that the similarities are like saying, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: you can light this um sparkler off, or you can
Speaker 1: light this mortar firework off. You can do both, right.
Speaker 1: One is going to create a son, the other is
Speaker 1: what the US did underground. Would that be a fair
Speaker 1: comparison in the most general general way to say it?
Speaker 1: That is not a bad way to look at it, okay,
Speaker 1: because it is technically the same thing right, good at night,
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't sustain for very long. It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: very powerful. So yes, I'll give you that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that one of their things they're saying is that
Speaker 1: the Jupiter has more of the constituent elements just right
Speaker 1: there president in the atmosphere to create this chain reaction
Speaker 1: that we don't have in our atmosphere. I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what if they know, even if
Speaker 1: Jupiter went off, I don't know how long it could
Speaker 1: sustain the reaction. But that's the big problem. Let's move back.
Speaker 1: Remember I talked about we've already talked about this a
Speaker 1: couple of times of Galileo. Yeah, we crashed him into Jupiter.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's him, maybe her it Galileo
Speaker 1: crashed into Jupiter. Well, at that time, there was a
Speaker 1: guy named Jocko vander Warp. Did I see that, right, Joe?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, like all right, Well, he went
Speaker 1: on Coast to Coast am. We've talked about them before,
Speaker 1: the radio program that talks about all of this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, And he said that the two thousand crashing
Speaker 1: of Galileo. Yah, I said, eight, didn't I you? Oh,
Speaker 1: well it's the two thousand three crashing. Well, not to
Speaker 1: be confused with the two thousand crashing that didn't actually happen,
Speaker 1: right two three crashing of Galileo into Jupiter. He's the
Speaker 1: one who seems to have initially claimed that the plutonium
Speaker 1: in the RTGs was going to implode. His appearance on
Speaker 1: that show was then pick up by another guy UH
Speaker 1: named Richard Hoagland, who said, and Richard Hogeland, by the way,
Speaker 1: believes all things space conspiracy. From what I can gather,
Speaker 1: he he believes that all of the things that we
Speaker 1: see in the photos of Mars are actually old structures
Speaker 1: from a Martian civilization. From generalizing here, but those are
Speaker 1: things that he says well, by the way, he also
Speaker 1: says NASA's covering up that ancient civilization. But he heard
Speaker 1: this stuff from from Vanderwarp and he locked on. He
Speaker 1: got on board then bandwagon, and he just broadcasted. And
Speaker 1: he seems to be one of the major proponents of
Speaker 1: the idea that the black spot that happened a month
Speaker 1: after Galileo crashed. He's the one who seems to be
Speaker 1: the source of the the reporting that that was proof
Speaker 1: that a reaction happened. It just wasn't sustained. So we
Speaker 1: actually can trace this back a little bit to somebody
Speaker 1: to figure out at least where some of these stories
Speaker 1: come from. You know, how often do we talk about this.
Speaker 1: We have no idea who it was. We can't figure
Speaker 1: it out. I think we actually have the too. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm puzzled by some of the things that he says.
Speaker 1: You think you do have your Yeah, yep, you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you look back far enough, you buy something.
Speaker 1: Find somebody speculating somewhere in popular mechanics way back when
Speaker 1: that maybe we could turn Jupiter into a second Son,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, the idea may have been floating
Speaker 1: around for longer than we know. I'm not really sure. Well,
Speaker 1: according to uh And, in order for this to have happened,
Speaker 1: the explosion on Jupiter would have needed to be two thousand,
Speaker 1: eight hundred times the size of the biggest nuclear bomb
Speaker 1: we ever set off on this planet, which by the way,
Speaker 1: was a big one. That was one of the Soviets
Speaker 1: set off, right, Yeah, they set it off in fifty
Speaker 1: I want to say fifty two, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to lock into that because it's I don't remember the
Speaker 1: exact year, but it was. I almost said a different words,
Speaker 1: really big really really big. Um, so we I mean
Speaker 1: that that yield is phenomenal, and the math again, like
Speaker 1: a lot of this, the math is a little weird.
Speaker 1: But he's saying that NASA is lying and they are
Speaker 1: basically floating these intensely powerful warheads through space under the
Speaker 1: guise of being objects of observation for other planets. Well,
Speaker 1: why did it take a month for us to observe
Speaker 1: the Is it because Jupiter is just so big that
Speaker 1: it's took it took, it took. So, if I understand,
Speaker 1: if I'm I'm reading into what he says, it took
Speaker 1: about two weeks for to fall deep enough into the
Speaker 1: atmosphere of Jupiter for the pressure to become great enough
Speaker 1: to ignite the plutonium, and then it took another two
Speaker 1: weeks for that to radiate back up for us to
Speaker 1: be able to see. Yeah, that just doesn't makes sense
Speaker 1: to my brain. But that's why I will be one
Speaker 1: of the people left behind. That's okay, There'll be lots
Speaker 1: of us. It will be a party. But he's saying
Speaker 1: that he's talking about eight hundred times the size of
Speaker 1: that fifty eight megaton bomb, right right. I haven't done
Speaker 1: any any actually calculation to figure out how much plutonium
Speaker 1: you have to have more than I believe you can
Speaker 1: pack on these little spacecraft, that it is an amazingly,
Speaker 1: amazingly pure grade of plutonium that is so real, still
Speaker 1: have to be a lot more than thirty four pounds,
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, oh, yeah, no, no, I'm not in
Speaker 1: disagreement with you at all there. It would need to
Speaker 1: be a bunch more. Yeah, not for a bomb that size.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that we have a rocket right now
Speaker 1: that could actually get that to Mars, or excuse me,
Speaker 1: the Jupiter. Yeah, no, we don't want to put it
Speaker 1: into Mars. We don't put it into Jupiter. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: I i'd really actually kind of like preferred to nuke
Speaker 1: Mars because that's the planet that I'm actually really more
Speaker 1: interested in terraforming. We're looking it is not process Elon
Speaker 1: Musk has got this to a planet. He does doesn't
Speaker 1: actually I wanta Okay, it doesn't involve about flying Galileo
Speaker 1: into it though, so that's good news. Sorry, I can't
Speaker 1: help start laughing. Hoagland. Also, he's also the source that
Speaker 1: seems to feel that the whole crashing into Jupiter instead
Speaker 1: of the moons to not contaminate them. He seems to
Speaker 1: be the source of the one saying well, that's a
Speaker 1: total lie. I don't know why, but he is. But
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to talk about here is
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. We've only discussed Jupiter this entire time,
Speaker 1: and soon the spacecraft Cassini is going to be crashed
Speaker 1: into Saturn because it is sad. Yeah, it's been up
Speaker 1: there for seventeen years. I mean it's it's been there
Speaker 1: for a long time. It's running out of power, it's
Speaker 1: at the end of its lifespan, and they're going to
Speaker 1: do the same thing with its they did with Galileo.
Speaker 1: People are now saying, well, they're trying it again. They're
Speaker 1: going to a different planet because it didn't work so
Speaker 1: well the first time. Except there's a massive, massive, massive massive.
Speaker 1: I can't get across how massive this problem is. It's
Speaker 1: about ninety times more massive than Jupiter. Is that Saturday
Speaker 1: is smaller? Well Jupiter. It's also not a gas giant,
Speaker 1: is it. Yes, it is a gas giant. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like or something like that, but but it is. It
Speaker 1: is smaller on magnitudes of scale. I think it's in
Speaker 1: terms of mass it's about a third Jupiter mass, which
Speaker 1: is what we're Yeah, so it's even smaller. So it's
Speaker 1: gonna be even harder for this to actually work. If
Speaker 1: indeed this was their plan, like this is the most
Speaker 1: screwed up plan. If they're like, well, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: it again, but let's go to the one that's even
Speaker 1: harder this time, it's almost like it's not their plan.
Speaker 1: It's almost like they're trying to fail. There are there
Speaker 1: are some cool, interesting, ambitious plans out there, Like there
Speaker 1: was one that that NASA just floated in February this year,
Speaker 1: which is basically to put a satellite in the l
Speaker 1: one orbit between the Sun and Mars. And since the
Speaker 1: reason Mars doesn't have an atmosphere is because it's it's
Speaker 1: too close to the Sun and it's n off. No, no,
Speaker 1: Mars is further from the Sun that we are. Oh
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And Venus actually has more of
Speaker 1: an atmosphere than we do. Okay, anyway, yeah, but anyway,
Speaker 1: any thinking, maybe mercury. But but essentially Mars's magnetic field
Speaker 1: died about three plus billion years Again, it didn't have
Speaker 1: as much iron in this core. Is that right? I'm
Speaker 1: not sure exactly why. I remember reading that could be,
Speaker 1: that could be why, but it's but essentially our magnetic field,
Speaker 1: believe or not, is protects us from the solar wind
Speaker 1: and diverses, and and that's what keeps our atmosphere from
Speaker 1: being stripped away like Mars's atmosphere has been. So there's
Speaker 1: a plan, and but it's just it's just an idea,
Speaker 1: so to put it, might to put this thing in
Speaker 1: orbit between the Sun and Mars might be prohibibly expensive.
Speaker 1: But if on the other hand, we could do it
Speaker 1: and be what are they? What are they between? I
Speaker 1: guess essentially it's a it's gonna be it's going to
Speaker 1: generate a magnetic field that will essentially protect Mars from
Speaker 1: the Sun's from the solar wind. It's a really cool
Speaker 1: idea if it's actually you know, if we can actually
Speaker 1: afford to do it, because once we had that protection
Speaker 1: for the Mars's atmosphere, then there's volcanic activity on Mars.
Speaker 1: It would it would, it would generate an atmosphere and
Speaker 1: actually a fairly short amount of time, and so between that,
Speaker 1: maybe dropping a few nukes here and there to kind
Speaker 1: of encourage the polar caps ice caps to melt a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know that kind of thing. Uh, Mars
Speaker 1: could actually be more habitable in not a long period
Speaker 1: of time. What's not a long period of time? Decades?
Speaker 1: I mean, and we're not talking yeah, we're not we're
Speaker 1: not talking walking around, you know, walking around on the
Speaker 1: surface without any sort of breathing aid or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as getting into some sort of
Speaker 1: Earth kind of atmosphere, God knows how long it would
Speaker 1: take to get everything. Yeah, but in terms of terraforming,
Speaker 1: terraforming a planet, that's actually one of the quicker ways
Speaker 1: of going about it some of the other methods that
Speaker 1: I've heard about. And so it's cool idea. And so
Speaker 1: there's there are ideas out there to create new and
Speaker 1: so whenever I hear ideas like Lucifer, for example, I'm
Speaker 1: always kind of like, yeah, cool, let's create some more
Speaker 1: habitable planets in our solars. Except that the dumb one, well,
Speaker 1: that's a dumb idea, it is, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: dumb idea. I mean, even and it's like we said before,
Speaker 1: even if Lucifer worked, I really still think that it's
Speaker 1: going to cause some serious problems inside of our own
Speaker 1: solar system for no other regions than the radiation well,
Speaker 1: because you know that's not that much. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: far less than our sun puts out and well, but
Speaker 1: they're actually further from our planet. I mean even its
Speaker 1: closest approach, Jupiter is still farther away from us then.
Speaker 1: But it's going so what I mean by at is
Speaker 1: not necessarily the cancer causing kind of radiation boil my insides,
Speaker 1: but it's it's going to create probably some radiant heat,
Speaker 1: and the impact to our light and their day and
Speaker 1: night cycles could actually destroy this particular planet because everything
Speaker 1: is used to a certain amount of time where it
Speaker 1: is on this globe, and if we suddenly add a
Speaker 1: second light source, that entire day night cycle is going
Speaker 1: to be thrown into a tail space. Seriously, doubt that
Speaker 1: the Jupiter, even if you came a little sun, would
Speaker 1: be any brighter than a full moon. Well, for me,
Speaker 1: it's just all the unknowns. I mean, there's literally no
Speaker 1: way for us to know. Luckily, it's not going to
Speaker 1: happen anyway, because the only way we're gonna make ye,
Speaker 1: the only way we can make this happen is either
Speaker 1: go outside our solar system and get a huge amount
Speaker 1: of matter to bring back to at a Jupiter or
Speaker 1: go siphon stuff out of the Sun at it to Jupiter.
Speaker 1: Well that's the dumb idea. Well, if we had the
Speaker 1: means to do that, then we can do pretty much anything.
Speaker 1: We don't need to waste our time trying to create
Speaker 1: a star out of Jupiter. Could they could essentially build
Speaker 1: ourselves a giant like orbiting Tiki Torch. Yeah, we don't
Speaker 1: need We don't need to turn Jupiter the star I
Speaker 1: am from planet tiki Torch. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I think
Speaker 1: it's when we get to the point where we had
Speaker 1: the technical wherewithal to turn Jupiter into a son and
Speaker 1: I hope we do reaset points someday. We probably won't
Speaker 1: do it, but it'll be great because having that kind
Speaker 1: of technical wherewithal means you can do some pretty fantastic things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, moving moving that much mass from outside our
Speaker 1: Solar system to Jupiter, that that would be quite a
Speaker 1: huge achievement. Yeah, I mean, but that's also that's again
Speaker 1: that's in the same frame of reference of if what
Speaker 1: we need is energy to change these particular planets to
Speaker 1: do stuff, then why don't we do, you know, the
Speaker 1: Dison's fear, So we're capturing all of the power of
Speaker 1: this on channeling it somewhere. That seems as just as
Speaker 1: much of an effort as lighting a gas giant on fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it probably makes more sense. There's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that would make more sense, and turning Jupiter into a soun. Okay, anybody,
Speaker 1: either of you, I think we've walked through most of this.
Speaker 1: You get anything else, you're kind of spaced out. I
Speaker 1: see it again. All right, well we're gonna go ahead
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