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Way there and welcome, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.600 end to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:09.759 as always, joined by Devin and in an echo chamber, 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.600 we're just like excited because we're you know, about to 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:19.280 leave on a vacation. Vacation. Is that vacation. Well, once 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:23.080 again this week we have a mystery for you and 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.560 we're going to share it, which is going to be 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:30.320 the quite cleverly named Project Lucifer. I like it. Yeah, 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.760 this is a listener's suggestion. I'm going to say this 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.920 now because I always forget this stuff. It was suggested 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:42.160 by Dallas quite a while back. So thank you Dallas name. Yeah, So, 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:48.440 what is Project Lucifer space? Yes, it happens in space. 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:53.559 In a single sentence, Project Lucifer is a supposed plan 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:57.880 to create a second son in our solar system, which 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.320 I like. I like the idea. I think it's really 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.080 not a good idea, but that's for you know, my 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:08.079 own selfish reasons. We'll go over that, reasons why we'll 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.400 talk about that. Okay, we should probably just dive right 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.239 in because there's a little bit to go over. Off, 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:24.680 let's launch. Come on, Joe, where's your punt? You spaced out? Okay, Well, 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.600 if anybody has read much sci fi, then you've probably 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.799 read Arthur C. Clark's novel two thousand one, A Space Odyssey. 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.160 And even if you haven't read that book, you've probably 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:41.680 seen Stanley Kubrick's movie of the same name, Bump bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.200 bump bum. Yes, once again, Kubrick has made an appearance 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:49.040 in the show. I really like him, so apparently hoarding 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:53.519 him in wherever I can. Well, what people may not 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.560 know is that there was a second book, and then 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:03.000 a second film, which was called in ten Odyssey to Well, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.560 if you haven't read the book or you haven't seen 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.840 the movie and you intend to, you should probably stop 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.200 the podcast right now because spoilers. I'm going to talk 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.680 about it. I think it's been thirty plus years. I 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.400 think we're safe. But if it's in your queue and 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:18.960 you want to pause us now, it's the time to 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:20.799 do it. All right. For the rest of you who 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.960 are listening, here's what's going on in the second book. 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.560 The monolith, which was in the first book and movie, 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:31.680 it is still orbiting Jupiter. The monolith eventually ends up 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:36.040 on the surface of Jupiter, where they resurrect. They're dead. No, 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.360 that's not wrong. Yeah, it's Cubic's idea and two thousand 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.400 one of Space Odyssey resurrect dead on planet Jupiter. Oh, 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:49.200 you're right, don't question. That is not the storyline. All 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.240 the storyline is that the monolith ends up on the 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:58.160 surface of Jupiter, at which point it begins to replicate itself. 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.680 And I'm actually sure that that's what happened. I read 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.320 a couple of synopsi, and basically what happens is that 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.680 it ends up on the surface, it grows it's growing enough, 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.080 and they say that is replicating itself to create more mass. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.480 It becomes a dark spot on Jupiter. You actually it's 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.160 observable from space. It is growing so long. It well, 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.520 it's been a long time since I've read the book. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.279 But but essentially the gist of two thousand one is 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:31.160 that the Aliens left a wormhole next to Jupiter. That's 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.360 what allowed our asked not to travel to them. He 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.960 makes an appearance in the second one, by the way, Yeah, exactly, 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.400 And so I always sort of assumed that they were 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.359 just chunking, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands of 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.280 these monolists through the wormhole, rather than it replicating itself. 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:51.599 That I didn't read the book, and I didn't want 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.960 I didn't have the time to watch really what happened, 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.839 but that important. What happens is suddenly there are a 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.840 bunch of monoliths of the similar nature in the thing 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:05.599 little area, correct, and the monoliths begin to condense the Jupiter, 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.440 which is a gas giant with additional mass. And it 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:14.320 is this application of the additional mass that allows Jupiter 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:19.239 to transform into a new small sun, which is super 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.400 awesome for the moons around Jupiter, which are considered to 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.800 potentially be habitable if they just had the right that 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:31.000 sun and heat and all of that. So hey woo. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:35.680 These moons are specifically Europa, which has ice, right, it 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.120 does have ice. I believe Europa is the one that 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.640 has all the cracks because of something coming from side. Yeah, 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.120 there red is am I correct in that I can't 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:50.920 keep them. And then there's Enchilada. Don't Joe, You're actually 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:56.159 pretty close because they're thirty some odd moods are much Yeah, 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.880 there's there's Europa and Io are the big ones that 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.480 everybody points to and as being possibly habitable. And then 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.240 there's gannym of course, which also, by the way, Arthur C. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.800 Clark wrote a fun short story about many many years 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.039 ago which I can't remember the name of, but I 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.640 think it was called The Sentinel, but it was. It 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.400 was kind of the basis for two thousand and one. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:19.680 But interesting, interesting little story, Ganny. It actually turns out 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.480 to be this enormous space, enormous spacecraft and not at 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:27.440 all humanity gets out there. So you know, I like, 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.440 there's a one that I heard a couple of years 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.719 ago where Europa because the ice, you know, everybody thinks 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.920 there's something living under the ice, like microscopic bacterial stuff. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.480 It turns out there's actually crack in size creatures living 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.279 under it. Every time we land on it, they suck. 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.440 They suck the capsules with people down because hey, look 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.640 crunchy shell soft inside. It's like kitty bar. It a 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:57.200 once every billion years or so, so we better take advantage. Okay, Well, 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.440 back to our story, the original story that we were 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:03.360 talking about, the second Jupiter turns into a second son. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.719 That son is named Lucifer. But keep in mind, Lucifer 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.920 isn't used in a negative connotation, which you know if 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.880 you've read been spent any time around the Bible, the 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:19.200 name Lucifer has a lot of negativity around it. Well, 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.400 it's not that. Instead, it's reflection of the fact that 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:28.800 the word lucifer as an adjective in Latin means light bringing. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.720 Actually turns out if it's a now and it means 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.080 morning star. And I know that I have heard lucifer 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:41.239 used in that way for both in Oh God, it's 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.520 it's religious studies. People have talked about the morning star 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.960 used to be called Lucifer, and you don't hear it 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.960 that often but that's where it comes from. Probably wrong, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:57.240 but that's off the cuff. So I'm sure everybody is wondering, 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.200 why in the hell I just gave the to a 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.880 book in a movie. We're not a we're not a 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:10.280 film review podcast. We're not that other podcast, not linguistics either. No, Well, 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:14.240 it turns out, believe it or not, there are conspiracy 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:18.960 theorists who believe that this is possible, not only possible, 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.800 but they claim that this is one of NASA's ongoing 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.720 projects and it's totally real. Not with those budget cuts, 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:33.080 is not. Well, just saying okay, so there's there's okay, well, okay, 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.600 so credits, we're going to cut now because we're done. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.439 That's great, pet No, No, it's just you know, actually, 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.200 I mean if they if they are capable of keeping 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.439 this a secret, they can actually have a black budget too. 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.080 Yeah that's true. I guess all those weather satellites, not 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.440 really Weather's budget might be a lot lot bigger than 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.200 you think. It's true. Yeah, it's all monopoly money at 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:56.720 this point anyway. Yeah, anyway, so let's go, let's jump 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.280 into a little bit of science. Why would somebody think 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:03.360 this was real? Well, there is some real science to it, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.000 and then there's some pseudo science. Let's just let's just 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.559 walk through all of that as quickly as possible here. So, 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.080 first off, Jupiter, like I said before, if you know 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:16.080 anything about it, it's a gas giant planet. It's a 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:20.439 giant planet. And Jupiter as a gas giant is referred 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.640 to sometimes as a failed star, which is kind of 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.520 harsh in my opinion. How do you think that makes 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:33.320 Jupiter feel? Yeah? Um no, So what it basically means 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:38.760 is that if Jupiter had more mass, then theoretically it 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:43.320 could have become a star too. Aren't we just as 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.360 much a failed star? Huh No, But we don't have 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.000 the gas to make the nuclear fusion. So no, we're 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.760 not a star. We are not a star. We're like 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:55.640 sea level. Yeah, okay, no, So anyway back to back 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:59.600 to actually going into the science here. Yeah, mass mass. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.160 That is the huge problem is that it doesn't have 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:08.960 enough mass to be able to allow for sustained nuclear fusion. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:14.800 So instead it's a guest Jane. It doesn't have that ability. Now. Sadly, 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.360 for Jupiter, it's calculated that depending on who does the math, 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:23.079 it would need at least ninety times more mass than 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:28.960 it has right now, going to start maybe perhaps ye source, 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.040 I mean it really it depends on who's doing the math, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.439 and it's you know, you split airs at that point. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.319 To me, it doesn't because there ain't that much mass 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.000 in the Solar System, because there's outside of the Sun. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:45.320 They're just doesn't They're correct. There are a lot of 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.800 other planets that are around the same size as Jupiter 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:54.040 out there that have managed to achieve nuclear fusion. Those 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.840 are what are referred to as a brown dwarf, and 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.760 those are actually they're bigger than Jupiter. They are, they are. 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:04.720 So when I read it and it's described Jupiter is 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:11.120 at the extreme low end of possibly becoming a brown dwarf. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.480 And what I've heard is that the stream, Yeah, I've 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.640 heard this way far below. Like you know, I've heard 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.640 that the minimum size for a brown dwarf is about 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.080 thirteen Jupiter masses. I wouldn't be surprised in terms of 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:25.080 actual size. It might be about the right side, but 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.480 it doesn't have the mass. The mass what is what matters. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.320 So let's do this because I am really bad when 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.200 it comes to description of this stuff, and I think 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.000 you're going to do a better job than I am. Joe. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.280 Can you briefly, are you able to explain to people 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:42.080 what mass means versus size, yes, versus side. Yeah. Well, 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.200 it's just like you know, like it's real simple. I mean, 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.720 take two balloons, blow one up with air from your 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.160 mouth and fill the other one with water from your 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.920 faucet to about the same size, and you'll notice that 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.000 even though they are the same size, one has different maps. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.800 They have different masses, different different densities density. There's the 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:04.240 thank you one way is more so, so that's what 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.280 we're getting at here. We're gonna throw around the word 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.080 mass a number of times going forward. So that's why 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.600 I'm hoping that you had a good back at the 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.400 envelope explanation. Thank you. And the reason mass is important 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.280 in this context is because the more mass, the more gravity, 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:22.680 and therefore the more it compresses itself, which is what 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.120 you need for to for stars to exist, as you 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.080 need that massive pressure to be into not only ignite 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.800 that that fusion reaction, but also keep it contained because 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.280 the key point for a star is that the nuclear 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:39.320 the process of nuclear fusion is always pushing outwards, but 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.080 the intense gravity of the mass of the star itself 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.120 is always pulling it back in, and so it keeps 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:51.080 it in this sort of perfect goldie Goldilocks zone where 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.960 it's balanced. Now, eventually, through the process of nuclear fusions, 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.559 stars like our son eventually will burn up enough that 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.920 it's mass or reduce it's gravitational force were reduced, and 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.000 suddenly it'll start spewing that stuff out, not being able 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.679 to contain it anymore. And that's when you start to 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.480 get into the death cycle of a star. And you know, 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.600 and don't don't get stressed about it. That's not supposed 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.040 to happen for at least like two more years. Yeah, 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:20.199 we got time. It's it's, it's it's it's a number 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.120 that is so big you'll never have to worry about it. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:28.920 It's not trillions, but it's billions of brown dwarf though different, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.680 different kind of thing, right, not like our son is 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:36.280 not what our son is a star. It's a yellow dwarf. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.880 A brown dwarf does not does put out some radiance, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.640 but it's not in a spectrum. It's not very bright. 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.600 It's not in the for us, I don't believe it's 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.880 actually in the visible spectrum. We can see, but it's 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.920 it's not a shining star something having it towards like 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.600 the low end of like the oranges, oranges and reds 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.760 and stuff like that. Yeah, and but not as much 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.559 as our son because they're actually affusing different elements. I 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.880 don't think they have enough feeling us and they don't 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.439 know how the helium et cetera and hydrogen and stuff 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.440 to to actually have that kind of reaction, so they 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.120 have a lower level kind of reaction, which is like 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.839 deuterium and something else. So it's just darker essentially. Yeah, 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.600 they don't put out as much heat in mind, basically 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.360 not as hot simple version, but also not as bright, right, 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.200 so it wouldn't illuminate the planets around it as much 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.360 as well. Is that true? That would be true. It 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.640 would with different color light, different with different level, different 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.080 kinds of radiations, So life on another planet around the 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.640 groundwarf would look a lot different. Planets would not be 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:34.720 green and assuming they would be something else. But he 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:39.920 something akin to like Crypton, you know from the Superman comics. 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.280 His star was a different color. So when he came 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.320 here he had all of these things blah blah blah. 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.320 But that's kind of the way they could see, so 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.480 they could get the comic books. Great reference, and actually 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.560 they can't sustain in life. It's just the planet's going 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.080 to have to be a lot closer to it than 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.440 we like a moon might be. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:03.280 science having been covered, here's what our friendly neighborhood conspiracy 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:07.640 theorists feel is actually going on, or believe is actually 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.880 going on. Is they think that the lack of mass 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:15.400 and Jupiter could be solved by simply adding nuclear fuel 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:19.720 to it. So this supposedly would jump start the process 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.280 of nuclear fusion. Again, Remember, the process of nuclear fusion 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.560 is what creates the radiance of a star. It's what 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.560 produced sends out the light and the heat radiation. I'll 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.560 point out that sometimes where when you're doing the reading, 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.880 Jupiter is not the only planet that is referenced. You 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:40.040 will also see Saturn brought up in this discussion. I'm 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.920 going to leave Saturn out for now when we talk 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.240 about this, we're still only going to be talking about Jupiter. 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.040 Eventually we'll talk about Saturn, but from here until I 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.680 say again, it's all Jupiter all the time. Saturn is 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:55.840 like a lot smaller than Jupiter. Actually, that's problem Okay, 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.120 so we've got this planet and we're gonna start start 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:03.360 nuclear fusion, and so how are we going to do it? Well, 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.480 it turns out that we're going to use NASA's probes. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:11.240 That's how we're gonna do it, because there's Galileo, Cassini 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.400 and Voyager and a whole bunch of others in the 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:17.640 Deep Space Fleet that could do this, and there's a 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.800 good reason for it. The way a deep space probe 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:29.560 works is once you get past Mars, there really isn't no. 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.120 It turns out once you get past Mars, the problem 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:36.600 is that you cannot rely on solar solar panels to 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.600 create enough electrical fuel for the satellite's to work. So 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.000 they have to have a secondary. They have to have 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:46.440 a different source, and that different source is what is 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:53.880 called an RTG that stands for radioisotope thermoelectric generator. That 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.560 not me. Yeah, well you know sometimes I do things right, 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.520 not often, So that is their fuel source. And actually 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.240 a bit of current pop culture is if you ever 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:08.760 read Andy Were's The Martian, you actually might be familiar movie. Well, actually, 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:10.960 I don't think they went into the RTG that much 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.000 of the movie. I didn't see either because you know 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:17.320 previously mentioned I don't like stuff like that. Yeah, forget 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.200 you hate the lost space. These arts are cool, pretty 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:22.879 cool to the units I really would love to have 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:29.240 on myself. Yeah no, no, not at all. Okay, here's 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.040 here's why Joe, I don't want one, because here's the 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:36.760 problem is that rtigs are radioactive and they are putting 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.960 off radiation is not good for you know, it's actually 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:41.960 good for you. It makes you get bigger, you're grow 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.960 an extra armed there's a green yeah, and then you 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.600 start to waste away and die. Yeah. So here's here's 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:55.680 how an RTG works. RTGs use plutonium to thirty eight. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.840 It's in pellet form, and the heat from the radio 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:06.560 active elements that radioactive process that's in the plutonium. It 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:10.040 goes through a thermo coupler, which is a material that 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.720 produces a direct electrical current when heat is applied to 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:17.840 it's it's using the heat to create electricity, but uses 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.800 heat instead of light. Yes, that's absolutely right. The nice 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.359 thing about the RTGs, why they're so popular is that 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.720 they have no moving parts, so there's nothing to break. 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:34.000 In that fashion, they're super simple. For instance, the Galileo 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:38.160 Space Probe. It had two RTGs on board um, which 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.720 you know, gave it all the power it needed and 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:45.119 was carrying approximately seventeen pounds of plutonium thirty eight, so 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.960 it's it's a small load to get lots of energy from. 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.400 I've heard that the Rush has used quite a few 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.000 of these just for powering lighthouses up, like in the 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.719 Arctic Circle. Yeah, they do. It's hundreds of miles of 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.840 cabling has got electricity running through it, and that's how 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.480 the electricity has generated. That's what they used to tell 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.679 people on the cruise ship. If you didn't know that 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.320 I worked on a cruise ship, I didn't know that. 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.359 People would ask like, do you you know does the 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:11.440 do you have to gas up or anything like that, 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.560 And first mate, he always said, um, oh yeah, I know. 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.439 What you can't see is the extension cord that well, 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.520 you're actually running on little tracks with little brushes like 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:29.800 slot cars your kids down. That's how it works, okay, Yeah, 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:31.639 that's how we're going to do space travel from now 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.840 and just put tracks everywhere. So people would actually ask you, guys, 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.320 if you had to refuel. Yeah, they really did ask it. 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:43.440 They really did people's stupidity has no bounds. I guess not. Sorry, 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.840 let's let's move were talking, Yes, let's go back to it. Okay, 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.680 So so far, we've talked about how Jupiter works, We've 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:54.280 talked about how the power for space probes works. In 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.360 a second, we're going to talk about how that's going 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.719 to apply to Project Lucifer to make a big second 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:06.600 son in our solar system. But why that's that's a question. 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.719 But why why go through all of this effort? The 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.240 reason is it is what we talked about before with 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:23.160 Ghanymede and what was the other um Enlada and Europe. Okay, 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.800 the idea is that the reason to do this is 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:32.440 to create other habitable worlds in our local solar system. 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.000 So it's a new planet that would be habitable that 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.560 we could then you know, send whatever we wanted there 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.600 and turn it into whatever we wanted. And it's literally, 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:48.960 you know, months away by current today's spacecraft technology. So 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.920 it's it's pretty damn close. But wouldn't it mess up 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.600 our solar system? Not necessarily that we'll talk about that. 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.119 There's there's there that's the issues with this people up 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.680 a little bit. Well, that depends on how you do it? Yeah, 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:04.600 so I okay, I do it. If you do it 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.440 in the way that scientifically possible, Yes, it would, if 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.560 you do it in the way they're talking about monolith 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:13.040 yeah it would not. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, that's fine. Sorry, 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.680 I just like I keep asking myself, like, why would 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.960 we want to do this? Yeah, that's that's in That's 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.960 a completely valid question. I've asked that a lot. Okay, 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:29.240 it's fun reasons. So the supporters of Project Lucifer for 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.040 the RTGs that we were just talking about before we 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.840 went off on that, uh, they say that Project Lucifer 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:40.159 is going to be using the radioactive material that is 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:45.960 in the RTGs to create an atomic bomb when they 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:51.040 crash the craft into the atmosphere of the planet, and 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:55.280 once it's fallen far enough into the gas giant, the 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.080 high pressures at the depths of it are going to 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:03.440 ignite did at which into a nuclear reaction, at which 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.919 point it's then going to be able to create a 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:11.119 sustained nuclear fusion situation. All of them, We're doing that 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:15.000 with all of them, or just we just we just 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:19.400 need one to work, just one payload to work. Yes, one, 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.080 We just got to get that one spot on in 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.639 the right, there's a job thirty four pounds of that 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.560 stuff on on the probe, right, It depends on the 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:29.439 probe on how much there is. So like when we 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.200 were talking just a minute ago about Galileo, it's got 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:43.520 seventeen pounds to our t g Oh, you're right, I'm sorry, yeah, Tom, Sure, yeah, absolutely. 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:48.120 But but the key here is that it's the pressure 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.800 of Jupiter that's what's going to do it. Because if 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:54.000 you know, we set off nuclear bombs on this planet 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:56.560 and our planet is not a star, we didn't have 0:22:56.720 --> 0:23:00.359 uncontrolled nuclear fusion because it burned out if there was 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:03.400 nothing to contain it. So with that low depths, that's 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:07.119 where they're saying that's going to allow it to hold 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:10.000 that process. Going, I know, it's cookie science. I see 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.680 the look on your face. Yeah, I'm at the point 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:14.880 right now in this episode where I'm thinking, well, am 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:18.280 I so naive about science that I like literally don't 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:22.000 understand that? Or is this just bad like that bad 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.439 of science? I don't know. Well, it's well, one thing 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:25.879 one of the things you got to know about Jupiter 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.119 is that it doesn't have a similar It's atmosphere is 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.280 a lot deeper than ours, and so at the surface 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.520 wherever the surfaces, if it even exists, we're not even 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:36.920 totally sure about that. The pressures are going to be 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:41.080 tremendously high. Whether they're high enough to sustain and actually 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.879 contain a fusion reaction, well that's a different story. But 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:48.480 they are extremely high by our earthly standards. So it's 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:55.040 not bad science. I'm just scientists. Either of those or 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:59.280 both of those exclusively. Someone says, not bad science, okay, 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.680 I would say that. So crash a probe into the planet, 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:08.840 It explodes, it creates this gas giants, nuclear fusion, sustained 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:15.359 reaction turns Jupiter into another star through this runaway nuclear 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:20.000 refusion process, and walla, we've got all these habitable worlds. 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.320 That's what it is. But I mean it's you know, 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.240 I mean, it's not as if as scary and crazy 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:28.440 it might sound. It's not like they've ever tried it, 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:33.360 or have they, Because this is what has really got 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:37.639 people going is back in two thousand three, Galileo, the 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:41.240 the spacecraft, the probe. I keep calling it a probe. 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:43.280 I don't actually really know if probe is the right word. 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.320 It's a spacecraft, though probe. Probe works. You know, it's 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:51.600