Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why? Why? Oh? Look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, ding dong?
Speaker 1: Should we share the bts? Yeah, whatever you want to share,
Speaker 1: like high comedy. That just happened. That's sort of like
Speaker 1: Bowen forgot to run his audio and he did the
Speaker 1: whole accounts on and everything we said. The words ding
Speaker 1: dong felt like a gag from the Dick Van Dyke
Speaker 1: Show or something. So it felt like one Division. Oh,
Speaker 1: that felt like one Division. Are you watching? Yes? How
Speaker 1: you welcome to the stage? One division? Dision? Okay, we
Speaker 1: don't know who that is that voice from beyond We'll
Speaker 1: get don't know. Yeah, no one reads the titles before
Speaker 1: they listen. No one. Kristen Stewart, tell me what you
Speaker 1: thought about one Division. Supposedly, Um, all of the reviews
Speaker 1: that are coming in are saying nothing happens in the
Speaker 1: first two episodes. It's all set up, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I get that, but I also right, but I also
Speaker 1: love the fact that you have Elizabeth Olson turning in
Speaker 1: with a really good performance. She's so good. Martha may Martha,
Speaker 1: Mama Mama like that the Mama, Mama, Mama. I didn't
Speaker 1: seem that either. But you know what we both saw
Speaker 1: in love was Ingrid goes West, Anger goes West. She's
Speaker 1: so fucking, so fucking good and also she's so talented,
Speaker 1: and I said to you, you should pitch her to
Speaker 1: host SNL because I bet she would turn it. Well,
Speaker 1: you you bet your ass. While Katherine Han and Tiana
Speaker 1: Paris were on screen with Elizabeth, I was like, let
Speaker 1: me text someone at work right now and be like
Speaker 1: you guys got to reach out to Elizabeth. And when
Speaker 1: Boon Yang text, it gets sent. All right, here's the deal. Um,
Speaker 1: she actually is really fucking good, and Catherine Han is
Speaker 1: perfect every time. When has she not been perfect? I
Speaker 1: can't tell you. I cannot tell you. I ever since Steps,
Speaker 1: ever since Stepbrothers, ever since Anchorman. She like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know that the scenior Anchorman where Christina Apple get
Speaker 1: like nails her first time anchoring solo and they cut
Speaker 1: to like the women in the Office. She Kathernan is
Speaker 1: on the side being like you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you win the pointing. Also that performance is so good
Speaker 1: and she killed it in and of course Stepbrothers we love,
Speaker 1: but you know shook me. No, I actually didn't watch
Speaker 1: I love Dick sorry Amazon, um, but you know what
Speaker 1: shook me so hard like an earthquake. You know how
Speaker 1: an earthquake shakes you often. This shook me almost equally so.
Speaker 1: So when Revolutionary Road came out, I was sitting for like,
Speaker 1: you know this like bracing drama. And then there was
Speaker 1: Catherine Hans serving up suburban domesticity. The repression was real
Speaker 1: but still funny and charming. And then she has like
Speaker 1: a crying scene at the end where RelA, which we love,
Speaker 1: she can legitimately do it all and just to see
Speaker 1: her step into this, like because I thought Elizabeth Wilson
Speaker 1: was doing like fifties scom of it all well, and
Speaker 1: then she comes in and was so that like sort
Speaker 1: of ethel and I love Lucy sporting character woman that
Speaker 1: it just sorry, I love Lucy that she just rocked
Speaker 1: in that she can do everything everything. I feel like
Speaker 1: we've talked about this and this is true, like Boomer
Speaker 1: leanings on the show coming at you, But like I
Speaker 1: do feel sad for the youth today, like they haven't
Speaker 1: seen it or who who just aren't like guided towards that,
Speaker 1: like the algorithm never like surfaces that stuff up to
Speaker 1: them anyway. Who cares well. This is what we'll say
Speaker 1: to our very gen z crowd. Please seek out. I
Speaker 1: love Lucy, you will love this great show. It's got
Speaker 1: this woman, fabulous woman. It's got a woman. That's all
Speaker 1: you need to know. It's got a woman. Okay, speaking
Speaker 1: of women, Um, we got a fucking hell of a
Speaker 1: woman on the show today. This is actually Bow And
Speaker 1: our guest doesn't know this, or I would be hard
Speaker 1: pressed to believe that if they come on in a
Speaker 1: second and be like, no, I knew that they were
Speaker 1: telling the truth. This is not our first interview with
Speaker 1: the guests, our first interview. This is not our first interview.
Speaker 1: And you barely remember too when we were working at Vulture,
Speaker 1: what was that thing that the room you booked in
Speaker 1: in like the East Village? Was that app called oh,
Speaker 1: I booked a breather. We booked a breather for our
Speaker 1: interview with Trixie Mattel, who the night prior had been
Speaker 1: crowned the winner of All Stars three. And got on
Speaker 1: and did a twenty minute interview on the phone with
Speaker 1: Trixie Mattel, and we were like sort of skittering tittering
Speaker 1: around the room, all nervous because it was like, see
Speaker 1: congrat like we were truly supplicans, supplicants and we were
Speaker 1: simply suppling, so we were we were literally So I
Speaker 1: just remembered that the other day. It feels like another
Speaker 1: lifetime ago. But I mean, this is a guess that
Speaker 1: I think probably was aspirational the entire time we've been
Speaker 1: doing the podcast, and then we thought, well, we can't
Speaker 1: ask because she'll never say yes. Cackle the cackle. Why
Speaker 1: do you think people are always like, um, I feel like, girl,
Speaker 1: you're just everywhere right now. I'm like, because they say
Speaker 1: yes to everything because it's easy. It's going along with
Speaker 1: Trickie Mattel, not hard to get the next special. Um,
Speaker 1: but wait, so before we sort of bring the guests in,
Speaker 1: uh no one knows who it is yet bowing at home,
Speaker 1: they to hear about the credits. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they can go through like the weird sort of like
Speaker 1: behind the curtain stuff of like, let's not bringing our
Speaker 1: guests yet. I feel like we can experiment with the
Speaker 1: form going forward, and I think Trixie is like pushing
Speaker 1: us to that better place, Like don't you think the
Speaker 1: readers know who the guest is? When they tap on
Speaker 1: the damn episode. I just want to put that out there.
Speaker 1: I like the pump in the circumstance. And in keeping
Speaker 1: with the pump in the circumstance, let me say this
Speaker 1: truly disgusting, offensive list of credits and this and and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it because this is psychati. I love
Speaker 1: ship like this. By the way, I know people are
Speaker 1: supposed to be like, well, I'm embarrassed. I love it.
Speaker 1: Let me know. I know you love it. I know
Speaker 1: you love it. And it makes me a combination of
Speaker 1: proud and matt to say that tricks even tell who
Speaker 1: has the Guinness Record for world's skinniest human woman in
Speaker 1: North America, because after competing on season seven of RuPaul's
Speaker 1: Drag Race, went on to as probably the audience well
Speaker 1: in those win Drag Race All Stars three. But that's
Speaker 1: only a small part of the story, Bowen Yang. As
Speaker 1: you know, and we talked last night after a rewatch
Speaker 1: of moving parts the Netflix documentary starring Trixie mattell Um,
Speaker 1: that it's so rare that like we have like, yes,
Speaker 1: this drag Race contestant, that's a successful drag Race contestant,
Speaker 1: But then what they've done outside the show so dwarfs
Speaker 1: that I mean incredible singer, songwriter, comedian and drag icon.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you. After giving Barbara the album
Speaker 1: that was released last year a few more spins, I
Speaker 1: went online. I was like, I wonder if this is
Speaker 1: on vinyl. It is on vinyl tomorrow. The other albums,
Speaker 1: Two Birds and One Stone, you can stream them on
Speaker 1: Spotify or you can order the goddamn vinyl like I did.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. And don't forget the Moving Parts soundtrack,
Speaker 1: which has songs that are exclusive to the documentary. And
Speaker 1: as they say in the community, say that you might
Speaker 1: also know or not know that our guest is actually
Speaker 1: a New York Times best selling author along with Katia,
Speaker 1: their comedy partner, Trixie and Katya's Guide to Modern Womanhood
Speaker 1: is Avilable Now. You might also know them from the
Speaker 1: Trixie and Katia Show from Viceland, the web series and
Speaker 1: the podcast The Balls in the Beautiful also with Katia
Speaker 1: Zama Lokova. Like we mentioned that the Netflix documentary Moving
Speaker 1: Parts earlier, she's also the CEO of Trixie Cosmetics and
Speaker 1: host this season of The Pit Stop on The Driver's
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, and he happens to be gay. He happens
Speaker 1: to be gay. Oh, there's the last. The most recent
Speaker 1: episode of the pit Stop was really interesting. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: there was We don't really have to get into it.
Speaker 1: I love She's such a messy bitch. I really love it.
Speaker 1: But the way she was like dragging. We'll talk about it. Everyone.
Speaker 1: Welcome into your ears tricks. God, I am so privileged.
Speaker 1: I just love you both so much. We like he
Speaker 1: gotta stop, it's so far. I just love listening to
Speaker 1: you both. I love all your povs. I think you
Speaker 1: are equal parts critical of things in culture, and you
Speaker 1: equal parts try to see it all different ways. I
Speaker 1: just love you both. And Bowen, I have to say,
Speaker 1: your voice is just like it's so chocolate and like
Speaker 1: I don't know something. No, it's so relis do you
Speaker 1: really are becoming a sex icon? And people have been
Speaker 1: noticing sort of around the world that you're a sex
Speaker 1: icon and it's really wonderful to see. Thank you. But
Speaker 1: you're you're both very, very attractive. And something about Bowen's
Speaker 1: boy because Matt usually hit the hysterics, the highs and
Speaker 1: lows they're singing, and then it'll be silent and Bowen
Speaker 1: will come in like blah blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I just want to take a shower.
Speaker 1: In that that sounds. I would say that Bowen is
Speaker 1: the Trixie and I might be the Katia. The beauty
Speaker 1: of Trixie and CONTI is that any duo can sort
Speaker 1: of like trade off the identities. That's my opinion. That's well, yes, totally.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like a reverse because I'm sort of
Speaker 1: the straight man in that relationship and she's the whack
Speaker 1: of do even though she looks normal and I look beautiful, gorgeous, gorgeous,
Speaker 1: but she's just hard to pin down because her po
Speaker 1: VM most things is very like logical. And then sometimes
Speaker 1: she'll peek. You'll she'll she'll lift the veil a little
Speaker 1: bit on a life experience and you're like, wow, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the inside is right. There's one episode where I was like,
Speaker 1: did you ever have a pet that died? And she goes,
Speaker 1: I had a lizard that I burnt, And You're like
Speaker 1: what what? What? Oh my god? Wait, do you have
Speaker 1: you have I ever had a pet that died? No?
Speaker 1: They all live forever. No. I mean, I'm a real country,
Speaker 1: so our pets are here for a good time, not
Speaker 1: a long time. You know. It's like like like checkers,
Speaker 1: back legs stop working, but the bet is so far away,
Speaker 1: like get the gun. I'm sorry, it is very that.
Speaker 1: I know that's awful, but that's what country people do
Speaker 1: with their pets. I'm sorry. This is actually a question
Speaker 1: I often think, like with the whole putting pets down
Speaker 1: of it all, not that not that I'm like, not
Speaker 1: that I understand the reality, which is, let's take it
Speaker 1: out back. That is very country. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: like I've seen people like let their animals live on
Speaker 1: well beyond their years and the dog will literally be
Speaker 1: dragging its hind legs up the stairs and I'm like, girl,
Speaker 1: this is not an existence. Oh I have my boyfriend's
Speaker 1: mom has a dog that is named below Love that
Speaker 1: literally lives as like a muffin in a basket, like
Speaker 1: under a blanket, like a newborn. Like do you guys
Speaker 1: want to see it? Okay, well, everyone look quick and
Speaker 1: then we'll put it back in a cage for three
Speaker 1: like it's just trying to live in the dark like this,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I mean, it's a good quality of life.
Speaker 1: I guess if you're a dog that you're fine with that. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there is just like um an immediate acceptance that you
Speaker 1: have to like lock into when like if I'm a
Speaker 1: pet owner and my my dog's hind legs stop working,
Speaker 1: I in order to not do anything about it, I
Speaker 1: would have to uh cope within it within two milliseconds
Speaker 1: in me like, yeah, I mean it's okay, it's fine,
Speaker 1: it's fine. Let her crawl up the stairs with two
Speaker 1: front lines. She loves it. She's doing yoga. No, she
Speaker 1: does this all the time. Yeah, she's in constant pain.
Speaker 1: She does this all the time because that's what she does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she does that because she doesn't have another choice. It's
Speaker 1: not like fucking sometimes he drinks a Miller light while
Speaker 1: watching Jeopardy. It's not like a hobby like che To them,
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't have a pet, because I'm always
Speaker 1: mystified in Los Angeles because the number of people who
Speaker 1: have don't. It's the most selfish people alive, but they
Speaker 1: only pets. And I'm like, you are the personality type
Speaker 1: that needs to take on something to take care of
Speaker 1: I really doubt it. I can barely get I can
Speaker 1: barely get myself to the restroom. Sometimes, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: walk a dog down this star. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Walking the commitment of I'm going to pick up this
Speaker 1: ship for the rest of my life. Absolutely not. I
Speaker 1: will never have a dog in the country. Just let
Speaker 1: your dog go. It comes back hours later, It went
Speaker 1: to the bathroom ten times. It probably killed and fed
Speaker 1: itslf like something like, it's the city animal that you
Speaker 1: want to talk ball and change Jesus Christ. It's literally
Speaker 1: a lump a rope that's attached to you. Having a
Speaker 1: pet in those cities acts as a counterweight to like
Speaker 1: the egomania that people live with every day. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I also I'm a lifelong vegetarians. This isn't about me
Speaker 1: not liking animals. I almost feel like I love animals
Speaker 1: so much. I'm not gonna get an animal that has
Speaker 1: to live fifteen years in my apartment. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not the vibe. It's barely quality of life, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you would wish that. See And then I feel bad though,
Speaker 1: because like another another. What they say the other side
Speaker 1: of the coin is that if you are someone that
Speaker 1: is able to care for an animal that needs a home,
Speaker 1: I I hosted the show called Hot Dog on HBO Max,
Speaker 1: and like we did one episode which was all rescue dogs,
Speaker 1: and it was just like I had to read all
Speaker 1: these all this copy that was like so many dogs
Speaker 1: are suffering, and it was just like I'm holding the dog,
Speaker 1: like and I'm thinking to myself, like at the time,
Speaker 1: I had a boyfriend who had a dog, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I have a fully Like I have full
Speaker 1: capability to take care of one of these animals and
Speaker 1: they need me. Like I convinced myself in the copy
Speaker 1: that I was like, I must do this because they
Speaker 1: live sometimes really short, horrible existences and then they just
Speaker 1: die and it makes me so sad. Like it really
Speaker 1: tugged at my heartstrings. And so I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: should I do this because I'm able to? And then
Speaker 1: I was like no, because that's not going to make
Speaker 1: the dog happier. I'm like, I don't know, it's a
Speaker 1: whole it's a whole thing. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get an animal right now. Well, you travel
Speaker 1: all the time. That's another thing. Yeah, But that's the
Speaker 1: other thing. If I got an animal, even it was small,
Speaker 1: I'd have to take it on a tour bus and
Speaker 1: then I'm putting a whole band and everyone out being like,
Speaker 1: there's a dog here, but no, you can't bring your
Speaker 1: girlfriend on the tour, you know. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: a little too selfish for all that. There's plants on
Speaker 1: my patio that literally looks like cigarette ashes that I
Speaker 1: think all alive. I see my boyfriend like once a week.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a huge commitment, Like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just I got stuff going on. I got I got,
Speaker 1: I got you know, what do you call it? Burners
Speaker 1: and the thing? I got things to fire. I have
Speaker 1: a question for Tricks because I feel like you can
Speaker 1: really um educate me and Matt on this. We're new
Speaker 1: to ninety day Nation, We're new to ninety day Fiance.
Speaker 1: So am I a little bit? So? Am I a
Speaker 1: little bit? Okay? Are we all on the same relatively
Speaker 1: like same early like outset timeline on what are you
Speaker 1: watching right now? Tricks? So? I watched season one and
Speaker 1: two probably two years ago, and then this during Quarantine
Speaker 1: the last probably a couple of months. I'm I'm up through.
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of seven now of Straight Up.
Speaker 1: So the last season was really good, it was like
Speaker 1: Fernanda and like, um, what was her name? I have
Speaker 1: I've only seen season four, sorry, Nicole, Nicole and as
Speaker 1: in oh Nicole and as in forever crazy crazy. What
Speaker 1: I love about the show is this, my boyfriend watches
Speaker 1: all of the the Housewives, every reality show. My boyfriend
Speaker 1: is like the connoisseur, the Salt Bay of reality show. Okay,
Speaker 1: he loves reality TV so much that I always make
Speaker 1: fun of him because I'm like, you found me the
Speaker 1: Reality TV Trophy, and then he's like salt band reality
Speaker 1: TV and I'm always like, you know, rewatching Clue with
Speaker 1: for the eightieth time, like your your shows are dumb,
Speaker 1: and then now I'm watching this, which is absolutely lower
Speaker 1: than the Low than the Low. But what I love
Speaker 1: about it is it's unpredictable but formulae. It's always like
Speaker 1: a Doughey white guy, like a seventeen year old Ukrainian girl,
Speaker 1: or it's like a middle aged mom with two kids
Speaker 1: and like an eighteen year old fitness personal trainer from Brazil,
Speaker 1: and they're always like, oh, this is real. And what
Speaker 1: I like about it is it is a little inspiring
Speaker 1: because it is I would do anything for love because
Speaker 1: these people truly believe it. They believe it, whether or
Speaker 1: not you believe it's right. These people think that they
Speaker 1: are making worthy sacrifices for real love, and that part
Speaker 1: of it's kind of inspiring. I mean, I've cried watching
Speaker 1: that show earnestly. I have a feeling that I will
Speaker 1: get there too, because I was watching it last night
Speaker 1: and within ten fifteen minutes and watching it, I texted
Speaker 1: Bone and I was like, because I watched all the
Speaker 1: Ship too, Like I watch all the Housewives everything, and
Speaker 1: then I watched this and I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: a new level of bat Ship because I started where
Speaker 1: Bowen asked me to start, which was before the ninety
Speaker 1: Days season two, which is unfair because I got my
Speaker 1: seasons mixed up and I've only seen one in three
Speaker 1: but two I'm watching now with you, so I'm on
Speaker 1: the same track, all right. So so basically, like it's
Speaker 1: it's what I love about it is it's a constant
Speaker 1: heightened It's like I have never been able to make
Speaker 1: a relationship work because um, well actually I've had three divorces,
Speaker 1: I'm twenty two. Um, I also am pregnant, and it's
Speaker 1: been really hard to get from place to place with
Speaker 1: my one leg. It's just like constant, like every scene
Speaker 1: is a new heighten of insanity. And that's when I
Speaker 1: met John, He's a criminal from England. It's like it's constant.
Speaker 1: It's constantly raising the stakes to where I'm on this
Speaker 1: couch like like thinking like maybe I shouldn't smoke anymore
Speaker 1: because I can't picture, like what's real? What's fake? Like
Speaker 1: my reality blurs watching it. Oh that's I eat the marijuana, Gunny,
Speaker 1: and I literally like lay like a coffin viewing like
Speaker 1: a viewing of the body, like angled toward the TV,
Speaker 1: like to the TV like it's real. And what's great
Speaker 1: about it is you guys obviously watched two and three.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's her name in Mohammed was the first
Speaker 1: time the gun really went off with crazy Michelle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yes, her and Mohammed. I got a cameo from her.
Speaker 1: I'm on my birthday the first day at the at
Speaker 1: the wedding when he's like because in my culture, I
Speaker 1: will not kiss her like what he you like? And
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like my boyfriend was offended by this because
Speaker 1: I said, people eat self awareness. If you are a four,
Speaker 1: get a four. If there's an eight coming into the
Speaker 1: equation saying I love your toast, put up the like
Speaker 1: there should be some red flags here, okay, Like there's
Speaker 1: a reason why I'm not with Ben Affleck okay, and
Speaker 1: there's a you have to live in live in your means,
Speaker 1: is it for you? No, he's not it for me
Speaker 1: at all. I just hold it because like that's like
Speaker 1: to somebody. A lot of people think it's really hot. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: And I told my boyfriend like we're a good match
Speaker 1: because I think we're like equally ugly or hot to people.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I think my boyfriend wanted to hear
Speaker 1: like your its head and I'm so lucky, and I'm like, okay, look,
Speaker 1: that's the toxic thinking that puts these people in these situations.
Speaker 1: If you're fifty with a bunch of kids, living in Baraboo, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: and like a seventeen year old Ukrainian Instagram model says,
Speaker 1: she loves you, give me a fucking boy like yeah,
Speaker 1: and also that, but but you have to you gauge
Speaker 1: immediately and tell me what you think about this bow
Speaker 1: and like when you once you see from the other
Speaker 1: so ordinarily they'll open on one of their perspectives at
Speaker 1: least this is how before the ninety days is mind you,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen much Ninity I fiance, but like we'll
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with like Angela, and like
Speaker 1: we'll get her perspective and about how she's talking to Michael,
Speaker 1: who lives in Nigeria. So Angela is like a trumper
Speaker 1: who's fifty two from the middle of the country, and
Speaker 1: she is showing you picked her that she's received from Michael,
Speaker 1: who's her Nigerian fiance, our boyfriend, that she's see him.
Speaker 1: Yes she is, because remember she brought all that Trump
Speaker 1: memorabilia for Michael to wear and he was so excited. Okay,
Speaker 1: So basically then you get to find you Find two episodes,
Speaker 1: three episodes later, you meet Michael actually in the perspective
Speaker 1: of he's giving A a a talking head and then he says,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to meet Angela, and they show the pictures
Speaker 1: that he's received from her, and they look nothing like her,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, they these people can't see themselves.
Speaker 1: They can't understand why. Like, so I guess that's my
Speaker 1: thing is it's like whenever I'm talking to someone online
Speaker 1: or like back in the day, it feels like a
Speaker 1: hundred years ago. When I used to date online, I
Speaker 1: would always be cognizant of the fact that, like, am
Speaker 1: I showing pictures that when I show up, they're going
Speaker 1: to recognize as the same person I'm showing because there's
Speaker 1: it's one thing to think like I look good in this,
Speaker 1: and it's another thing to think, this is a good
Speaker 1: picture of me exactly because also when you're online dating whatever,
Speaker 1: you have to go this is the best picture of
Speaker 1: this person. I'm seeing them in their best lighting. I'm
Speaker 1: seeing them probably five or more pounds ago, probably five
Speaker 1: or more years ago. Like that's the truth. And so
Speaker 1: I also just think, I'm with Matt, you have a responsibility.
Speaker 1: And one of my first UH tours, I had this
Speaker 1: whole stand up section about like people need you aren't
Speaker 1: doing yourself favors by sending an eight. If you're a six,
Speaker 1: send your six pictures, not doing yourself a favor at all.
Speaker 1: You're go under give him like one of these, give
Speaker 1: them like the give them like the forest, whatever, or
Speaker 1: I give him like something, and then reveal like revenge body,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a real culture. Number
Speaker 1: seventy you gotta give him the forest, got to give
Speaker 1: him the And I say that as someone who was
Speaker 1: very asymmetrical sides my face me as well, me as well, Um,
Speaker 1: but this is but this is my thing though, Like
Speaker 1: isn't We're saying all this as if it's like unique
Speaker 1: to these people who are warden, who are like completely
Speaker 1: whose realities are very distorted. But it's like, but this
Speaker 1: is just I mean, there's a couple of things happening
Speaker 1: here where there's like one um uh like it's being
Speaker 1: it's it's being like filmed, and we're seeing it as
Speaker 1: the viewer and we get to like examine that, examine
Speaker 1: that like from an outside perspective too. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is just a more pronounced version of what everyone does,
Speaker 1: which is like, let me like the show, let me
Speaker 1: show like, let me project all these feelings onto this
Speaker 1: person that I've ever met a b let me um,
Speaker 1: let me show like the pictures of me that are
Speaker 1: like completely completely enhanced bogus exactly, so I feel like
Speaker 1: they're there. We can relate to these people in some way.
Speaker 1: But what I think you're right, because this show wouldn't
Speaker 1: be effective if it was look at the monkeys in
Speaker 1: the cage we can't relate to. Like, I just watched
Speaker 1: the season where I'm Jay, this guy from Jamaica, he
Speaker 1: three days after the wedding to this girl cheats on
Speaker 1: her and she's like, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this isn't unique to because you're a
Speaker 1: straight people feel about cheating and give me a break.
Speaker 1: But like he cheated, it's over crazy, um, but like um,
Speaker 1: on FISA was it season four? Like a woman who
Speaker 1: likes money who like you hate on Fista for being crazy,
Speaker 1: but also that guy lied to her about how much
Speaker 1: money he had exactly and then that woman and on
Speaker 1: Fisa exists is a figure in America, figure in American society. Not,
Speaker 1: it's not even specific to it's not even specific to
Speaker 1: like immigrants totally. Nicole Buyer says that she she's obsessed
Speaker 1: with the show. And Nicole Buyer says, a part of
Speaker 1: me is convinced that it's anti immigrant Propagain, it's not not.
Speaker 1: But it also doesn't make the Americans look smart. Ever, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it is equal opportunity. Um, it branks on everybody. There's
Speaker 1: one there's one couple that I'm watching now on Before
Speaker 1: the ninety Days and I'm I'm forgetting. But it's it's
Speaker 1: this he goes to I believe Eve Brazil and Paul
Speaker 1: It and Paul and Carini. Oh my god, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not not pun creany, although the poun cranny stuff
Speaker 1: is dark because he keeps asking her to get pregnancy
Speaker 1: tests and it's like really crazy. He don't speak this thing.
Speaker 1: They do not take the same language at all. He
Speaker 1: makes no effort to learn Portuguese. She's trying to learn English,
Speaker 1: but he it's crazy. Sorry, keep going. So it's it's
Speaker 1: it's wild but comedy Portuguese is bradgi PG, you're lying.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, bra bradge PG. Sorry, I'll let you
Speaker 1: sorry about this is This is all I want to say,
Speaker 1: and that we can go back to Brad and talk
Speaker 1: about it for an hour and a half. Um. But
Speaker 1: my thing on this other couple is that he gets
Speaker 1: there and he's like, I'm in love with her and
Speaker 1: she doesn't show up for Oh, it's the one Marissa
Speaker 1: is her name or Michelle or something, but it takes
Speaker 1: her three hours to show up for their first date
Speaker 1: and he's like, there and waiting and waiting, waiting. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna this is the worst day of my life.
Speaker 1: And then she shows up and of course he's in
Speaker 1: love with her and obsessed. Um but no, no, it's
Speaker 1: not even them I'm talking about. It's another one. But
Speaker 1: the girl says, I don't like him, he doesn't like
Speaker 1: his pictures. I'm not into it, but I want a
Speaker 1: better life. And I have to say, watching it and
Speaker 1: seeing where she comes from and seeing what her reality is,
Speaker 1: I don't not get it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like if I'm it's like I'm going to get an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go to America, and it's like a legit
Speaker 1: thing because this guy is legitimately a love with me,
Speaker 1: and like, this is an opportunity for me. I don't
Speaker 1: begrudge her that, by the way, I do some of
Speaker 1: these In some of these new episodes, America is in
Speaker 1: real time of burning building. It's like, and people are
Speaker 1: still like, I gotta get there. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: like it. Here is wars and sucking fires. And I
Speaker 1: will say this too. It makes me think critically about
Speaker 1: marriage because on TV we only see marriage for love,
Speaker 1: and when you think of marriage is honestly more of
Speaker 1: a business partnership between two people. People get married for
Speaker 1: all different reasons if it mutually improves the quality of
Speaker 1: the life. Maybe he just wants a hot girl and
Speaker 1: maybe she just wants to get out of the fucking
Speaker 1: USSR or some ship. If you both win, who are
Speaker 1: we to be critical of? Why exactly married? That's the thing.
Speaker 1: The more I watch it, the freak show aspect fell away,
Speaker 1: and the more I'm like, these two people are trying
Speaker 1: to find something that works for both of them, whatever
Speaker 1: it is, and they understand marriage to be functional because
Speaker 1: in other countries some of these people, marriage is a
Speaker 1: little more like it's arranged, or the one where the
Speaker 1: guy had to go to the Philippines or whatever and
Speaker 1: pay her dowry, had to go buy two cows to
Speaker 1: give her her parents. Like, for us to be critical
Speaker 1: of these people's relationships is to be critical of each
Speaker 1: society's view on marriage. And they're not congruent in any way. Ever. No,
Speaker 1: that's on period, and that's on period. But it's funny,
Speaker 1: like true truly. Twenty minutes after watching it, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, these people are insane, And then it
Speaker 1: slowly did become No, they're lonely and they want partnership
Speaker 1: and what's so bad about that? And they're there, this
Speaker 1: is the way where they can find it exactly. Just
Speaker 1: you wait until the tell alls, which are like the reunions.
Speaker 1: It feels it's it's even more impactful than like The
Speaker 1: Avengers to me, or any crossover event, because it's like
Speaker 1: it's like all of these people, all these people who
Speaker 1: you are only following in their separate little like stories,
Speaker 1: come together and they interact with each other and you're like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck right? Fixing actually, because it's a better
Speaker 1: crossover event than Gold It's fears and then at the
Speaker 1: end someone snaps their finger and half of them disintegrate. No. Um,
Speaker 1: it's very fierce because they will have different opinions. The couples,
Speaker 1: like this one girl was like, yeah on feces, all
Speaker 1: women like money on faces upfront about it, and you
Speaker 1: guys grill her for it at least she's sayings or
Speaker 1: then they're like, um, like that one guy who was like,
Speaker 1: how came you? You never say thank you for all
Speaker 1: the things I do for the baby, and the other
Speaker 1: guys like I watched the season and the whole time
Speaker 1: I couldn't stop thinking, that's your wife and baby, why
Speaker 1: do you need her to say thank you? Like, I
Speaker 1: think it's more validating because these are first time reality
Speaker 1: celebrities who have had to deal with comments and you know,
Speaker 1: people who have never been on TV before. They're in
Speaker 1: the comments, they're reading, they're responding, Yeah, they're those people.
Speaker 1: They learn a lot because they're ultimately in a room
Speaker 1: for the first time with the only people who can
Speaker 1: say that they've been through that exactly. Drag Race is
Speaker 1: the only reality TV I've seen really besides this, So
Speaker 1: it's been a good like parlay. This is my first
Speaker 1: reality show to like indulge in. And I feel like
Speaker 1: you would love Loves, you would love the House because
Speaker 1: and now that you've now that you've broken the seal
Speaker 1: in ninety day, like you can watch anything. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I know some of the girls, so like I did.
Speaker 1: I went to um Lisa vander Pump's house. She's super nice,
Speaker 1: and she was super super nice and it was for
Speaker 1: a thing, and I kind of did have to float
Speaker 1: that I knew more about her than I But then
Speaker 1: I was like, to be honest with you, I don't
Speaker 1: really watch it, which I think she found kind of refreshing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my boyfriend is like the slum dog millionaire like Encyclopedia
Speaker 1: of Housewives. Yeah, that's why I find it intimidating is
Speaker 1: because how I've seen some of Salt Lake City because
Speaker 1: that was new. But I'm like, how am I supposed
Speaker 1: to start this show? Twelve seasons in? Easier than you think.
Speaker 1: It's easier than you think. You can actually kind of
Speaker 1: jump in anywhere you want and like get on the
Speaker 1: interstate and just like from any point just getting I
Speaker 1: will say I used to be like my boyfriend at
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's house, like whatever, hanging out, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: you're crazy, that show is so stupid and like months
Speaker 1: in our relationship and be like what did she say
Speaker 1: to her? Yeah exactly, or like like slowly invested. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just about absorption over the long term. When I
Speaker 1: watch these shows, it's like I'm just gonna put this
Speaker 1: is how I do it with ninety Days two. It's
Speaker 1: like I just put it on and it's not osmosis
Speaker 1: and guess and yeah, yeah, yes, and but um, anyway,
Speaker 1: I think you should. I think you can watch anything
Speaker 1: that were we to say that I was just gonna
Speaker 1: suggest to you how I got into it, which is all.
Speaker 1: This is all. I did. Just watch the season of
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York when Brett when Bethany returns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Bethany is in the beginning, and then she leaves
Speaker 1: for three or four seasons to go try to start
Speaker 1: a reality a talk show of her own rather and
Speaker 1: do her own spinoffs, and then she comes back to
Speaker 1: New York. And that's where I started. And from there
Speaker 1: I kind of just picked and did whatever I wanted.
Speaker 1: But that was the way I started, and I am
Speaker 1: here today the woman I am. Yeah, David has been
Speaker 1: giving me a little bit of a crash course and
Speaker 1: some of the most iconic grallery television. Like during Lockdown,
Speaker 1: we watched Flavor of Love. I've never seen it Flavor Well,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a purity, there's a purity to that.
Speaker 1: And I watched I Love New York and I watched
Speaker 1: The Simple Life, which I loved. David. David was watching
Speaker 1: Top Model, which I watched a few seasons of that
Speaker 1: with him, and I just couldn't believe I've never seen it,
Speaker 1: like these women are being asked to walk in a
Speaker 1: line and say easy Breezy Beautiful cover group and they
Speaker 1: can't do it. You drag Race there like today you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to start your mom on funding and then
Speaker 1: like we have to do so much to win drag Race.
Speaker 1: That surprises me that you had never seen any of that,
Speaker 1: like like and to Pure, Too Pure, which which we love,
Speaker 1: But you had went on drag Race after being a
Speaker 1: fan of drag Race, or was just because you had
Speaker 1: done drag for so long or both. Every track queen
Speaker 1: who is not on Drag Race says they don't watch it,
Speaker 1: but they do, and they say they wouldn't do it,
Speaker 1: but they would. Of course I would never do that show,
Speaker 1: but yes you would, and so watch That was really
Speaker 1: the only reality show I had ever seen, which I
Speaker 1: think is like why I sort of excelled at it
Speaker 1: a little bit because I didn't have I didn't know
Speaker 1: what I was doing, Like I was just fine. You
Speaker 1: didn't have the filter of I have to be a
Speaker 1: certain way, right, exactly right. It was like my first
Speaker 1: time with cameras around. I don't know how TVs worked
Speaker 1: or anything, which is great about reality because that's how
Speaker 1: you get authentic people. To be authentic, is like you
Speaker 1: get people from Baraboo, Wisconsin, who have a life from
Speaker 1: the Philippines. You know, you don't get more real than that.
Speaker 1: How was that pre interview? Because they watched it at
Speaker 1: the pit stop. Because I watched, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is like immediately tense from the jump. I don't believe
Speaker 1: that for a second. I bet I bet they both
Speaker 1: knew what was happening. It was fine. I think the
Speaker 1: editing made it seem a little bit like, um, it
Speaker 1: was a little bit like Bethany Alma Rossa or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew that the whole time. I was I literally
Speaker 1: just watched earlier today and I was like, no, they're
Speaker 1: saying that, but the five is good and that was good.
Speaker 1: But she made me laugh because she obviously she watched
Speaker 1: me review Canada's Drag Race, which my job is to
Speaker 1: not ship talk but tell about everything I don't like
Speaker 1: about anything. And then it's like she's the guest and
Speaker 1: she was so nice. But also for I will say,
Speaker 1: I'm glad she had the balls to like when she
Speaker 1: was like I'd never seen your season and I get
Speaker 1: your famous I was like, that is so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she cracked my ship up. I thought she was great. Also, people.
Speaker 1: I guess thought that we were having sexual tension, were
Speaker 1: you only you can tell us. I didn't think we were.
Speaker 1: But as I need to be hit over the head
Speaker 1: with like flirting, I never know what's happening, like you know,
Speaker 1: like a wine mom will have, like if you're waiting
Speaker 1: for a sign, this is it on the kitchen. That's
Speaker 1: what I need. I need like that big of a sign.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, oh well, let me get my
Speaker 1: pants off, you know, like I need to know what's
Speaker 1: going Yeah, exactly. I feel like the thing too with
Speaker 1: like like you on the pit stop and like this
Speaker 1: is the way that that I know, I know that
Speaker 1: I felt anyway, Boen, probably you agree, But like when
Speaker 1: we were doing the Vulture recaps and like whenever we
Speaker 1: were doing like an episode of a podcast about drag
Speaker 1: race that is also entertainment. So if I go up
Speaker 1: there and I'm like, I think all the queens are amazing,
Speaker 1: And first of all, it's brave that they're going up there,
Speaker 1: especially today when we think it's accepting a nationwide to
Speaker 1: be gay on television, but actually it's really hard. It's like, no, bitch,
Speaker 1: Like I'm actually gonna say if I don't, Like, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a drag queen, and like something you said
Speaker 1: in the documentary is it's like it doesn't make people
Speaker 1: an expert on drag no matter what they think. It
Speaker 1: makes them an expert of being a fan of the
Speaker 1: television show. And I do think I am a huge
Speaker 1: fan of the television show, so I can say that, Like,
Speaker 1: I think Denali is a fucking great performer, and her
Speaker 1: outfits looked whack to me, like on this last episode
Speaker 1: of the show, like that's and me, as a fan
Speaker 1: of the show who has an opinion on the competition,
Speaker 1: should be able to say that. But the discourse around
Speaker 1: drag Race is so heated and crazy and people are
Speaker 1: so invested. It gets me in my head talking about
Speaker 1: the show because of the way people it's like stand
Speaker 1: culture is pop stars and drag Race, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Well, and they're really intense and they are
Speaker 1: fiercely defensive of like, yeah, the great thing about Drag
Speaker 1: Race is probably one of the only shows where multiple
Speaker 1: people can feel totally different ways about runways, looks queens
Speaker 1: based on anything anything, Like I love Olivia so much
Speaker 1: she could just do okay that week, and I'm like Olivia,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like I just love who I love.
Speaker 1: So you're getting your head talking about it too, because
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in a couple of group threads and everyone
Speaker 1: hates Olivia, and I'm like, I actually think Olivia was good,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. And and then like
Speaker 1: the way it was established in our group that was
Speaker 1: like we keep calling you to a queen the Jester,
Speaker 1: we just keep on your dress and like, wow, Jester flops.
Speaker 1: But then in this last episode, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Jester kind of like down from there, and I
Speaker 1: never hope back to either because like, especially with I
Speaker 1: mean like the fundamentals of drag I will be like
Speaker 1: that wig is rotted, that wis too flat for your
Speaker 1: body shape, your six four, that's a flat wig. Why
Speaker 1: don't you have a shape on Why are you showing
Speaker 1: those shoulders? And if you're gonna show those shoulders, why
Speaker 1: don't you put makeup on them? And it's like people
Speaker 1: think it's so personal, but I'm like, we're critiquing drag.
Speaker 1: It's fun. And with Drag Race, there is like a
Speaker 1: tiered commentary sort of hierarchy to it where it's like
Speaker 1: the reason people watch, like you know, Raj and Raven
Speaker 1: like talk about looks, and the reason people watch like
Speaker 1: you host pit Stop is because it's like, oh, you
Speaker 1: guys have been through this crazy crucible that is the show,
Speaker 1: and so you like people want to hear your input
Speaker 1: because it's it's different than what me whatever, what anyone
Speaker 1: says on some any random group chat. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, right, And it doesn't mean more more qualify,
Speaker 1: But like I've done it multiple times, lost and one
Speaker 1: plus Christmas plus celebrity drag race, So like, I think
Speaker 1: I have a bit of an idea of what that
Speaker 1: how much heat is really on these people, and I
Speaker 1: think I'm forgiving in that way, like if you pull
Speaker 1: a ship runway or like I mean sometimes it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's garbage. You're I'm not saying you're garbage, but that sucks.
Speaker 1: And I've worn a lot of garbage drag race, are
Speaker 1: you kidding? So, like, we've all done it, We've all
Speaker 1: had bomb runways, like terrible runways, except not all of us.
Speaker 1: Some people like violets of the world, there's people who haven't.
Speaker 1: I know, it's that's kind of frustrating to but then
Speaker 1: also the violets of the world did that have bomb
Speaker 1: runways every single time? Incredible, incredible, incredible usually have flop performances,
Speaker 1: and she had some fucking fulop just like like talk
Speaker 1: about American's Next Top Model not being able to read.
Speaker 1: That's one Season seven acting challenge, like where it was
Speaker 1: like it was like, you guys, we talked about that
Speaker 1: all the time. Which, by the way, back to rescue animals,
Speaker 1: Tempest is your rescues animals all the time. Tempest, She's
Speaker 1: such a time But I love Tempest story. I talked
Speaker 1: to her probably once a month. We're very close, and
Speaker 1: I called her recently because she's where she rescues dogs
Speaker 1: and exotic exotic birds. Like I talked to her recently
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm just kind of down because my
Speaker 1: two can got murdered by my rescue dog. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: Tempest is like at home with an emu and a
Speaker 1: two can just vibing. Isn't that crazy? Yeah? But it
Speaker 1: really fucking love Tempest. She had one. She has one
Speaker 1: of the most memorable entrances. Squirted at that baby and
Speaker 1: then can I tell you this is just this is
Speaker 1: just a little like ego stroke but like sent me
Speaker 1: the nicest message I have ever received. Tempests sent me
Speaker 1: like like one of the sweetest DM I'm sorry this
Speaker 1: sounds so obnoxious, but she was like I just wanted
Speaker 1: to say hi, and blah blah blah blah. I was like, Temps,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love you. Literally, I'll freak out
Speaker 1: over any drag creen that's ever been on the show.
Speaker 1: And if Julia Roberts walks down the street, I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's not true. But one time I did
Speaker 1: run into Jennifer Garner on the street while I was
Speaker 1: singing for the ride the tour bus I used to
Speaker 1: work for. I was singing Megan Trainer lips are moving
Speaker 1: for a tour bus and Jennifer Garner walked by me
Speaker 1: and was like what And I didn't care at all,
Speaker 1: But then I'll see, like, fucking um, I feel like
Speaker 1: the Magnolia Crawford. Literally, Magnolia Crawford. I would get on
Speaker 1: my knees and stock cock. I swear to god, Magnolia
Speaker 1: Crawford gag. Like, but Jennifer Garner, I don't really care,
Speaker 1: Like these queens are everything to me, Like guess what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like we could invite like fucking whoever on
Speaker 1: the show, but like, we didn't reach out to you
Speaker 1: because we assume you'd say no, She's the most famous
Speaker 1: person in the world. It's sixtys are so busy. I
Speaker 1: love doing pods and um it's one of the only
Speaker 1: things they don't have to get in drag Force. So
Speaker 1: I always say, yeah the bald in the Beautiful, which
Speaker 1: you people can subscribe to me and Contie every week.
Speaker 1: You two are truly like on a radio host level,
Speaker 1: just morning show. I just the it's just so quick
Speaker 1: and sharp. I'm like, wow, next week. Next week is
Speaker 1: our on like COVID Portoviy Artist Special, So I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: Boiler alert. I'm not sure I'm allowed to say this,
Speaker 1: but Violet Chop she's going to be on the pit stop.
Speaker 1: Want to talk about critiquing drag You want to talk
Speaker 1: about somebody who hates everything? Yeah. I was like crying,
Speaker 1: laughing because I'm like, what do you think of this look?
Speaker 1: And She's like, it's not a look. I'm not even
Speaker 1: going to critique. God. I fell into one of those
Speaker 1: wormholes recently, which was like the top one best around
Speaker 1: my looks have all time, and it's like miss Mojo serious.
Speaker 1: First of all, we have to say Miss Mojo gave
Speaker 1: it up for Ms Mojo. Wait, what do we go on?
Speaker 1: What are we just watching? It was like Miss Mojo
Speaker 1: Top ten iconic Glee Characters. It's like number three, Mr
Speaker 1: Shoe And it's always a white women who reads the copy.
Speaker 1: And and Trixie worked her pussy ciss like, yeah, good
Speaker 1: forget when she's dragged the house down, absolutely boots. When
Speaker 1: when she slaid, yeah, grab a bucket and a mop
Speaker 1: with that gradass pussy Trixie's how. I don't know the
Speaker 1: ethnicity of Miss Mojo, but though the voice makes me laugh,
Speaker 1: and the idea that that channel exists and we all
Speaker 1: referred to it at some points, Mojo is culture and
Speaker 1: that's actually a real culture. Number one hundred and six,
Speaker 1: Miss Mojo, she is. Miss Mojo is an icon and
Speaker 1: Miss Mojo was getting a Kennedy Center Honors if I
Speaker 1: have anything to say about it. Miss Mojo was actually
Speaker 1: originally the cast of She was originally the host of
Speaker 1: Drag Race, Miss Mojo's Drag Miss Mojo needs to come
Speaker 1: on as a guest judge. We need to finally see
Speaker 1: her face totally Wait, but what I was saying was
Speaker 1: like it was like a top one hundred best looks,
Speaker 1: and like, of course the number one was you already
Speaker 1: know it was when Violet came back for the She's
Speaker 1: A for the Season A finale and the crown was
Speaker 1: in her head. I was like, you can never no
Speaker 1: one could ever touch this, and like so many of
Speaker 1: her looks, like the iconic fucking cinching of that waste,
Speaker 1: like yeah, the guest judge that was so good. We
Speaker 1: had her on the pod and she was go listen
Speaker 1: to it because she was talking about um, how much
Speaker 1: she hates kids and drag, which is so fierce because
Speaker 1: I say it uncanceled Violets like a child in a wig.
Speaker 1: Give me a fucking break with Volet kids. And then
Speaker 1: she was talking about um, like when Violet does like
Speaker 1: corporate gigs and they're like, well, how about you are
Speaker 1: a little less sexy, or like how Violet will literally
Speaker 1: tell these corporate people, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do and you can record it while it happens or not,
Speaker 1: but I'm not changing it. And Violet has like so
Speaker 1: much conviction about like I didn't start doing drag to
Speaker 1: have anybody tell me anything, which I just she's like
Speaker 1: my idol in that way. People really think she's kind
Speaker 1: of an ice cold bitch, but it's just because she's
Speaker 1: really unflinching about, like I start doing dragged to answer
Speaker 1: to any of you. I love her, she inspires me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to admire someone who like will never ever
Speaker 1: ever um get on the back heel with like some
Speaker 1: beta cuck energy. It's like, oh, you will always always
Speaker 1: always driving. Yeah whatever. She is a little bit like
Speaker 1: she's she's a little bit frosty though. Like one time
Speaker 1: I saw her on tour and I was like like
Speaker 1: backstage with her and I was like, I really liked
Speaker 1: your number and she's like thanks, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I just love the outfit to everything you've been doing
Speaker 1: has been so great. It's like pause and I'm like
Speaker 1: staring and she's like, I liked that one picture of you.
Speaker 1: Like trying to get her to stay one nice thing.
Speaker 1: She was like a picture of you. Yeah. She was
Speaker 1: like exhausted, She's like, oh fine, I liked that one
Speaker 1: picture of you so funny. Oh my god, Okay, so
Speaker 1: I think it might be time to ask the question
Speaker 1: bo oh yeah, oh my God, I can't believe we
Speaker 1: haven't asked. We've just been carried away by conversation. But
Speaker 1: it is time because this is what we do on
Speaker 1: the podcast. We asked everyone except Margaret Show because we
Speaker 1: got too nervous. What was the culture Trixie Mattee that
Speaker 1: made you say culture was for you? Probably probably Buffy
Speaker 1: the Vampire Slayer, Okay, just because it was horror and
Speaker 1: camp in comedy and very moving. Um, it just made
Speaker 1: me think about like what something on TV could make
Speaker 1: me feel and think about like the world and like
Speaker 1: what was possible, And it just changed a lot for me.
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know why. I probably just because
Speaker 1: I saw when I was a teenager and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like and I didn't think about what that
Speaker 1: show is and think about how hard it would have
Speaker 1: been to pitch in the room. This is based off
Speaker 1: a show that a movie that flopped, like what that
Speaker 1: was that was up there for me? And probably the
Speaker 1: Rocky Horror Picture Show. I know that's kind of tired,
Speaker 1: but um, seeing somebody vibrate between genders and gender expressions
Speaker 1: and using it for power was like, Oh, there's something there,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, yeah, I will just come right
Speaker 1: out and say that Buffy has been tough for me
Speaker 1: because se of the guys who have dumped me, our
Speaker 1: Buffy heads are are are David boy And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I have a hard time watching because I think of
Speaker 1: I think of all these men. That's so weird. You
Speaker 1: constantly date Buffy stands. They happen to be Buffy stands,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is okay? So do colonize her?
Speaker 1: They all look completely different. The demographics, there's no like
Speaker 1: common demographics except that they're they're gay men or who
Speaker 1: attracted to gay men. And it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you all love Buffy and you've broken my heart. This
Speaker 1: is crazy. There's got to be something they've driven a
Speaker 1: steak through your heart, even they have, it's just, um,
Speaker 1: I feel like people talk about like the Sopranos change television.
Speaker 1: I think Buffy is a little under celebrated for that.
Speaker 1: And you have to think like Buffy was doing, if
Speaker 1: we want to talk drama acting, they were doing what
Speaker 1: every dramatic show could do, Like they were going that
Speaker 1: deep and they were adding fight sequences like Hollywood level
Speaker 1: special effects every week. Yeah, c g. I she was
Speaker 1: turning it out too for seven years, learning almost scripts
Speaker 1: like every week, Like what, it's amazing she doesn't have
Speaker 1: an Emmy, And then I was just talking about this
Speaker 1: um like scream like the fact that Nev Campbell doesn't
Speaker 1: have like oscars on oscars. For that, I'm like, because
Speaker 1: you know, for women especially, you have to play a
Speaker 1: certain sort of Oh, this is the role you take
Speaker 1: when you want an award, because if there's anything spooky
Speaker 1: or anything funny, we don't respect it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Well, we talk all the time about how
Speaker 1: like there's no world where it's untrue that Rachel McAdams
Speaker 1: is deserving of an Oscar for me and girls. I mean,
Speaker 1: she created a character that will live on forever and
Speaker 1: fucking nailed it and made the movie by doing what
Speaker 1: she did, I could say, likewise, Alicia Silverstone and clueless,
Speaker 1: there was really no one else who could have done
Speaker 1: it like that. And I think it the seems to
Speaker 1: be said for Buffy the Vampire Slider with the Emmys.
Speaker 1: It's just they still do it now. They're sort of
Speaker 1: coming around, but it's really more the sort of prestige
Speaker 1: cable networks that can get fantasy stuff nominated, like Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones, but something on the c W is just
Speaker 1: never really going to break through or the w B
Speaker 1: at that time because the genre things scared them away. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: like Sarah Michelle Geller was doing an iconic performance that
Speaker 1: has stood the test of time, and it feels like
Speaker 1: at that time they couldn't see it. Whether it was
Speaker 1: the genre of it all, whether it was she was young,
Speaker 1: whether it was whatever the whether it was she was beautiful,
Speaker 1: it was based on a flap like I don't know
Speaker 1: what it was, but it feels like they didn't take
Speaker 1: it seriously. And if you look at the quality of
Speaker 1: the work truly, the range, the depths, the way she
Speaker 1: played that all, like every part of that show was
Speaker 1: super natural of course, but like human life relatable all
Speaker 1: the time, and it just wasn't celebrated enough. And I
Speaker 1: think about that sometimes, but stuff like that gives me hope,
Speaker 1: Like when I hear I always talk about like a
Speaker 1: Jane Jet pitched I Love rock and Roll to Twine
Speaker 1: three record labels and Neil said, no, it's not a hit,
Speaker 1: No one won't like it. Yeah, Wow, Like I love
Speaker 1: Roman Michelle one of my favorite movies. Lisa Kudo wrote
Speaker 1: that ten years before, and then after doing Friends and
Speaker 1: getting famous, she took it to the market again and
Speaker 1: it got bought. Like some things are just timing related
Speaker 1: or it's just like not fair. But like RuPaul has
Speaker 1: thirty five Emmys and Sarah Michelle Gellar doesn't have one
Speaker 1: for Buffy, and I love Drek Grace. I think we're important.
Speaker 1: It's important, like redistribute the wealth of awards. Take one
Speaker 1: of RuPaul's Emmy's and give it to don't even change
Speaker 1: the name play, give one to Charisma carp Hello. I
Speaker 1: literally feel though, like with the Emmy's and ship like that,
Speaker 1: Like once you win one for a certain role, I
Speaker 1: think you should be you should move on, like you've
Speaker 1: won an Emmy for the party, move on. But because
Speaker 1: I feel like it's boring, and I fucking love Julia
Speaker 1: Louie Dreyfuss, Like, don't get me wrong, I think she
Speaker 1: does deserve to win every time she gets nominated, but
Speaker 1: when um, she now every single year in wins and
Speaker 1: wins and wins and wins. The same thing was like
Speaker 1: Brian Cranston for breaking bad, like we know already, let's
Speaker 1: like move on and celebrate something else. I always feel
Speaker 1: like that when something wins for one role every single year,
Speaker 1: or when one show wins every award in a year
Speaker 1: like this year, Whips Creek Like, you can't tell me
Speaker 1: that it was the only comedy deserving of the awards.
Speaker 1: It's just breaking bad. Was to serve so Bob trying
Speaker 1: to get me to watch that for forever, and I
Speaker 1: was like, it's just like a bald white guy with math,
Speaker 1: Like I got that at home, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But then when I watched it, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is amazing. I can't belave that show. How they made
Speaker 1: the first season feels so high stakes, and you go,
Speaker 1: where could they go from here? This was crazy? Forget it.
Speaker 1: And by the end of it, like him, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was sobbing, sobbing, I mean crazy. That's how I
Speaker 1: also felt about Um, I don't know. I've rewatched a
Speaker 1: lot of trash during this year, and I rewatched True
Speaker 1: Blood again and I was like, Cant and I were
Speaker 1: both rewatching it. We're both rewatching it, and every time
Speaker 1: I watch it and finish it, I'm still not sure
Speaker 1: I like it, but I watched it. It's true. It's
Speaker 1: mostly I don't want to say trash that's not fair.
Speaker 1: Why don't you just say it, well, no, it's it's
Speaker 1: just pulpy, it's just like, yes, it just it just
Speaker 1: you you have such a recency bias with that show,
Speaker 1: like you only all that Maunters is what you just
Speaker 1: saw like ten minutes ago. Because I think True Blood,
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the best shows that's been
Speaker 1: on in the past couple of decades. I honestly think
Speaker 1: it's like it literally Trisy walked away. But when you disagree, yes,
Speaker 1: it's like okay, but here thinks The Chilling Adventures of
Speaker 1: Sabrina is one of the best shows. It's not. And
Speaker 1: you're an first of all, it's that's not true. But
Speaker 1: this is why I think it's good, because it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be pulpe and camp and it really was,
Speaker 1: like even when it was horrible, it was horrible with purpose.
Speaker 1: They got like the finest New York stage actors to
Speaker 1: come beyond this trash show, like Routina Wesley. You cannot
Speaker 1: tell me that unbelievable. And also like they got like
Speaker 1: Everan Rachel would like coming in for a minute. Fucking
Speaker 1: Denis Hair. Deniso Hair deserved an oscar for playing for
Speaker 1: playing his role on that show when not an Emmy, unbelievable,
Speaker 1: an oscar, he doesn't for a TV show. Yes, yes, yes, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: I I stand by what I said, but like truly
Speaker 1: shocking television that you're like, what, But that was the
Speaker 1: point and that was what it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: and it delivered on that the whole time. Yes, it
Speaker 1: got shitty towards the end, but so does everything else.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me. In Gray's Anatomy's a d F season
Speaker 1: that like True Blood wasn't good after it fucking did
Speaker 1: it six seasons and was like we're out. It was good,
Speaker 1: And honestly, I had never the way that they used
Speaker 1: like being a vampire or like he v to talk
Speaker 1: about things like h a v and race and and
Speaker 1: you know, God hates fangs, like come on, like the
Speaker 1: way that they creatively all that happened. I did like it.
Speaker 1: I've watched it in my life through twice, so I
Speaker 1: can't have hated it. No. Season two and three are
Speaker 1: really good, like this annual of it all a girl
Speaker 1: and fucking Jason Stackhouse could snap my throat. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about him. We talked about a racist I
Speaker 1: just popped out like, yeah, he's what happened? We were
Speaker 1: like what happened to him? It is one of those
Speaker 1: shows kind of like Looking, where the main character was
Speaker 1: the least likable looking. I mean Looking was like what
Speaker 1: was the main character where he's like, am I a
Speaker 1: top or a bottom? I'm like, how do you not
Speaker 1: know that? He's literally that was my problem with that
Speaker 1: bo When did you watch Looking? I never watched. Well,
Speaker 1: you're it's fine, it's fine, Yeah, it's fine. And my
Speaker 1: problem with it that was exactly when you're saying, it's
Speaker 1: like you're third. You're in the show, quote unquote thirty
Speaker 1: years old, you look like Jonathan Groff, you live in
Speaker 1: San Francisco, have for years. You're a successful person with
Speaker 1: friends that go out. You go out all the time,
Speaker 1: and you haven't figured out like what lube is? Girl.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I didn't buy it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And I thought like if they if they
Speaker 1: made that character, that I would buy that because like
Speaker 1: I was one of those gay men who didn't know
Speaker 1: how to have sex, Like I I get it, Like
Speaker 1: still sometimes yeah, I'm still like arment no, but like
Speaker 1: it's just kidding everyone. I really know how to fuck
Speaker 1: um um but no um but um anyway, Uh, that's
Speaker 1: I didn't buy that show for that reason. I was like,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Groff has written thousands of dicks, I know it,
Speaker 1: um and probably even tried it out topping once or twice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I will say back to True Blood to what
Speaker 1: made that show work is And when I was in
Speaker 1: school for musical theater, they talked about acting realistically in
Speaker 1: unrealistic circumstances, and in True Blood they committed to these
Speaker 1: unrealistic They played everything like it was really. The acting
Speaker 1: in that show is so good. It's phenomenal, phenomenal. It
Speaker 1: is girl Jessica, that bitch makes me cry every two episodes,
Speaker 1: the Queen and Queen Pam or your Girl Pam Chris Stratton,
Speaker 1: so good, folks. That is just rattling this off. Was
Speaker 1: a huge fan. Well those are our guests today. I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding, Oh my god, but no, they were. I
Speaker 1: mean the way that Pam starts as like a bit
Speaker 1: and then the more you learn her backstory, like being
Speaker 1: with the mother of a brothel, You're like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: would make someone a bit like that. You know, she
Speaker 1: was trying to do a vampire before her time. Really,
Speaker 1: they all have edges. I didn't mean to come in
Speaker 1: here and talk about True Blood, but no we did.
Speaker 1: I have to ask you, tricky, what are you What
Speaker 1: are you playing these days? What video games are you playing?
Speaker 1: Are you playing? I'm a little bit on a hiatus.
Speaker 1: I completed Pokemon sword um during Christmas and New York
Speaker 1: Christmas and Thanksgiving bread um, and then uh, I'm playing
Speaker 1: Cyberpunk seven right now, um, which is really good. I
Speaker 1: love it. Everybody's complaining that it's so buggy. I'm like,
Speaker 1: so is Skyrim, so is Fallout. So we're all these
Speaker 1: big games that I get that. I understand that, like
Speaker 1: any big budget open world game like this, is bound
Speaker 1: is bound to run into stuff. What what I think
Speaker 1: bumps a lot of people is that it had been
Speaker 1: hyped up over the course of like eight years, eighties
Speaker 1: seven years. It was eighty seven years, truly eighty seven years,
Speaker 1: and then um it just the release date kept getting pushed.
Speaker 1: So it feels that so now, like the narrative is
Speaker 1: everyone's like we got jilted or we were you know,
Speaker 1: conned out of this like gameplay experience, and now we
Speaker 1: have to wait for all these patches and um now
Speaker 1: there's all this like new stuff coming out where like
Speaker 1: the demo they released was like, um not an actual
Speaker 1: demo was just footage or whatever. Like there's all this
Speaker 1: like shitty stuff now that like makes um CD project
Speaker 1: rad what of that company is that made? On the
Speaker 1: witcher is like not a great whatever? I like. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I'm playing it on a rather like high powered
Speaker 1: gaming PC, so I know that I don't have the
Speaker 1: same problems as a lot of people because I don't
Speaker 1: because it's on consoles. Yeah yeah on PC. I know
Speaker 1: on PlayStation was literally unplayable for me. It's been a
Speaker 1: really beautiful game. Um. And the storytelling is good, the
Speaker 1: animation is good. The imagining of the United States in
Speaker 1: seven is good. I like it. It's not as bad
Speaker 1: as what's the take on the US Then I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I don't play it. It's this high tech city in California, um,
Speaker 1: and it's called Night City and everything is run by
Speaker 1: like mega corporate Like the government is just like mega corporations, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: the mega corporations is basically the government. The police are
Speaker 1: kind of corrupt. Everything is like basically drugs and sex
Speaker 1: being sold everything is about drugs and sex and technology,
Speaker 1: which I mean, I can see it. And then there's
Speaker 1: been some comments that some of the advertising featured in
Speaker 1: the game is transphobic, um, which I mean. It really
Speaker 1: depends on how you viewed, I guess, but I find
Speaker 1: the experience to be pretty good so far. I've just
Speaker 1: been dedicating a little less time to play video games
Speaker 1: because I really will sit here for hours. I know
Speaker 1: it's it's scary. It's scary, and I'm a big day
Speaker 1: by daylight girl, so I'll still play that a few
Speaker 1: times that we're cute. Wait, okay, started to such topics
Speaker 1: so quickly, but we have not talked you and I
Speaker 1: the three of us about Michelle branch in the way
Speaker 1: that I would like you to talk about Michelle branch
Speaker 1: specifically tricks, because that's that's how you and I started.
Speaker 1: That's how you and I started talking to each other. Right,
Speaker 1: Like I think, like I like this article on the right,
Speaker 1: like this interview I did came out where I was
Speaker 1: just like one of my earliest influences was The Spirit
Speaker 1: Room by Michelle branch Or. The interview asked me, what's
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say cultures for you was
Speaker 1: like Leanders every day and that's what you said. I
Speaker 1: was like on that day, I was like today, it's
Speaker 1: today when I think like the other day, I thought, Wow,
Speaker 1: The Spirit Room by Michelle Branch is such a formative
Speaker 1: album for me. I know every single lyric to that. Remember,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I am gagging at what is happening right now.
Speaker 1: Trixie just pulled out her acoustic guitar. That happen Like,
Speaker 1: I like literally learned to get hard of that music. Like, yes,
Speaker 1: I can see she really good. She really was to
Speaker 1: thank you, Oh god, you want to Also, I'll never
Speaker 1: not like cry to goodbye to you. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's so over. Yes, she really that that like man
Speaker 1: years old Billie Eilish eat your heart out. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: whole moment was a good moment like her like the
Speaker 1: same time, it's like I don't like her, but Avril Levine,
Speaker 1: Vanessa Carlton, like it was very singer songwriter moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's when I started playing guitar and everyone you know,
Speaker 1: guitar is a very male dominated instrument. It's very phallic,
Speaker 1: it's very aggro, it's aggressive, it's jazzing on it. It
Speaker 1: comes up your crotch. Right. The guitar has a long
Speaker 1: penis like top. It's actually a real culture number. The
Speaker 1: guitar peniss like top. So when I started playing guitar,
Speaker 1: it's like, no gig, I know, like three gig guys
Speaker 1: with play guitar. And I'm always like, why was I
Speaker 1: I'm such a fag. Why was I into guitar? And
Speaker 1: it's like because I was thirteen when I started. This
Speaker 1: was a time of Avlavie Michelle Branch Cheryl grow on
Speaker 1: the radio. Women with guitars were such a thing, so
Speaker 1: I thought it as like subversive, like women holding this
Speaker 1: power with this thing interesting tricks. Are you really watching
Speaker 1: you play, whether it's guitar or auto harp, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's really beautiful. I'm sorry, let me just say this,
Speaker 1: because it's like you look blissed out completely. You look
Speaker 1: so serene when you play. It's it's so nice. I
Speaker 1: just I just had to say that they're so good.
Speaker 1: Do you You're so good? Like no, but like you
Speaker 1: really are. Like I'm telling you, I don't just buy
Speaker 1: I mean your your fucking album is going to go
Speaker 1: in my vinyl collection. Like I truly loved it, Like
Speaker 1: I I and I really I want to say, like,
Speaker 1: I loved your first two albums, but this last album
Speaker 1: I really love and it's almost I hope you take
Speaker 1: this as a compliment. It's almost giving me like Weezer.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? That's like a huge compliment. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really was giving me Weezer. I was really really enjoying it.
Speaker 1: And I love them all. I love gold, I love
Speaker 1: Jesse Jesse, I obviously love Malabo, I love I love
Speaker 1: the cover Stranger. That's really good. And like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just I hear. Do you love Casey Musgraves? Obviously
Speaker 1: you do. Of course, I hear so much of her
Speaker 1: in it, you guys have done. She's a fan, she's
Speaker 1: a friend, she's a reader. I don't know. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine if we found out she listened to this podcast,
Speaker 1: I would die. You guys call him a reader, And
Speaker 1: when somebody's a fan of me in real life, I
Speaker 1: call him a friend of the pod, which makes no sense.
Speaker 1: She's a friend of the pot even before I had
Speaker 1: a pot of and she's a friend of the pod.
Speaker 1: But I just thank you. I will say I'm very
Speaker 1: lucky because people come out of the woodwork and they're like, basically,
Speaker 1: I get this response a lot, which I find very flattering.
Speaker 1: People like, Hey, I actually finally listened to your music
Speaker 1: and it's actually good, which isn't what you guys are saying.
Speaker 1: But that's what you guys are saying. But it's like
Speaker 1: people mean that they don't expect it to be good,
Speaker 1: and then they're like, oh, this is nice. I appreciate that,
Speaker 1: because you know, I love Weezer, and my all time
Speaker 1: favorite band is Fountains of Wayne Verius. Fountains of Wayne.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, rest in pirest in peace. By the way,
Speaker 1: I cried not to be gay, but I cried. Our
Speaker 1: good friend is Rachel Bluman. Um. I couldn't imagine I
Speaker 1: met him. I met Adam once in a pitch meeting
Speaker 1: for something, and I just was like, I know, this
Speaker 1: is a serious professional meeting. I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: like Fountains like you guys changed the way I thought
Speaker 1: about songwriting period forever. And he was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank you, okay, because to him, it's like twenty years
Speaker 1: always like oh that band, thanks, And I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I needn't understand the way Adam Schlesinger writes music.
Speaker 1: But um, what a funny, talented guy, so talented. But
Speaker 1: with Barbara, I was just like, well, I've done the
Speaker 1: country and folk thing, especially living in California, was like,
Speaker 1: I want to do something really bright and sunshiny in
Speaker 1: California and listening to like the Go Goes and Weezer
Speaker 1: and just like, I don't know that album is so
Speaker 1: fun to make. It's so good, so good. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You guys are extremely sweet for saying that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like it was such a weird little risk
Speaker 1: when I started playing guitar and stuff and drag, but
Speaker 1: it it had such a better effect than I thought.
Speaker 1: I thought, like doing comedy people, we're gonna feels like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do comedy and then you gonna have to
Speaker 1: deal with the song I'm gonna sing later, okay, And
Speaker 1: it was The response was very like, surprisingly, very positive always,
Speaker 1: which has been so nice. Do you think it's that people,
Speaker 1: even like gay audiences who like love drag race, they
Speaker 1: just have like a preconceived idea of what drag music
Speaker 1: is going to be, obviously, because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you think it's gonna be like cunt cunt pussy. I'm
Speaker 1: from New York and I walk the walls, and you know,
Speaker 1: like which we do going to be love that we
Speaker 1: love it. I mean when I think that Baby's a
Speaker 1: harrabin a deserve Best Pop Vocal Performance for Jungle Kitty,
Speaker 1: But I mean, and that's just nothing, that nothing matters,
Speaker 1: which doesn't um. I will say, we when we roll
Speaker 1: out albums like this year, we have multiple, multiple records
Speaker 1: coming out. It's the first time I've said it. We
Speaker 1: have multiple records coming out, and when we roll out,
Speaker 1: when we roll out records, we get together and we
Speaker 1: we I hate to say it. This isn't to throw
Speaker 1: anybody under the bus. We have to swim upstream with
Speaker 1: people's opinion of what somebody in a wig could do
Speaker 1: with music, yeah, or with anything. This is what it
Speaker 1: is with anything you um, you train an audience to
Speaker 1: get used to seeing you a certain way. And what
Speaker 1: if it means and for and for drag race contestants specifically,
Speaker 1: it means like I either go the way of and
Speaker 1: and they're not like it's not like a mutually exclusive choice,
Speaker 1: but it's like I either go the way of like
Speaker 1: do of doing what is like already in the matrix
Speaker 1: of like what the outcomes are outside of the show
Speaker 1: or I do something, but you you even talk about
Speaker 1: this in moving parts though You're just like I want
Speaker 1: to like do my whole like Emmy Lou Harris, Loretto,
Speaker 1: Loretta Lemn Dolly Parton thing. But like people there are
Speaker 1: people are not used to seeing a drag queen do
Speaker 1: this on stage the way that I would like to
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, Like I will say, like the first
Speaker 1: time I pulled out a guitar and started putting it
Speaker 1: in the stand up every night it was like hour
Speaker 1: long stand up show. I was in p Town doing
Speaker 1: a whole summer fifty five shows and every night people
Speaker 1: be like, oh, the show was funny. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know you play guitar. I love this here you play
Speaker 1: and every night it was like, oh, well, there's a
Speaker 1: world for this. And then when I started playing the harp,
Speaker 1: it was moments where I was just like, I am
Speaker 1: here in a wig for these people who want they
Speaker 1: came to like I don't know if they came to
Speaker 1: see Gotta Got Got, but like I'm going to stay
Speaker 1: up here and play an appealition focustrument like it's a
Speaker 1: little wild but character so well, because like it's Dolly
Speaker 1: Parton calls that immediately and also honesty is you can
Speaker 1: never doubt that. So like, that's what kind of music
Speaker 1: came naturally to me. So I can't pull off a
Speaker 1: purse first because I don't listen to that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But then if you, like I think of people like
Speaker 1: Blondie or the B fifty two is where it's like
Speaker 1: these people are wearing wigs and wearing instruments, they just
Speaker 1: don't call it drag. And then every top star has
Speaker 1: wigs and lashes on like them. I love them and
Speaker 1: they and they all do like an acoustic phase. Can
Speaker 1: I ask you a question from Moving Parts? Because yes,
Speaker 1: Matt and I rewatched last night. Thank you guys very much.
Speaker 1: Of course everyone should watch it. It's really great. And
Speaker 1: I feel like Netflix is tough because the algorithm just
Speaker 1: kind of decides for everyone what they're gonna watch. Like,
Speaker 1: so if you missed it, if you missed it when
Speaker 1: it came out, you should check it out. It's really
Speaker 1: really good. We looked out when it came out. We
Speaker 1: were trending on the YouTube like the we were under
Speaker 1: trending and critically acclaimed or whatever for like a month
Speaker 1: and a half so it really got a lot of exposure.
Speaker 1: We loved out there. There's a partner where you go
Speaker 1: to a viewing party at some bar to watch the
Speaker 1: premier of All Stars three yes, the talentship portion, and
Speaker 1: then it cuts to you seeing moving parts. Um, and
Speaker 1: then I can't tell. I can't because I was expecting
Speaker 1: like some reaction from you after the fact, But it
Speaker 1: looks it seemed like were you uncomfortable because was that
Speaker 1: like was that was that what you're speaking to right now?
Speaker 1: Where you're just like, I'm noticing that the audience is
Speaker 1: um a little confused or disengaged by the idea of
Speaker 1: seeing a drag queen like with an auto harp playing
Speaker 1: this song. Yeah, I guess I'm always aware that I'm
Speaker 1: probably the only one doing that thing. So like, even
Speaker 1: with this tour grown up, We're here, I'm traveling with
Speaker 1: the band, and I'm like, well, I'm probably the only
Speaker 1: person who's ever only drag Queen has done this on
Speaker 1: a scale, so it's always a little bit of a risk.
Speaker 1: But I guess with moving parts on All Stars, I
Speaker 1: knew I wouldn't win with that talent, but I also
Speaker 1: knew this is probably the only time I'll get to
Speaker 1: do something like this on TV and I'm playing thirty
Speaker 1: eight strings. I'll never get eliminated for this, Like a
Speaker 1: out show, you won't get eliminated. And I guess it
Speaker 1: was a little vulnerable, like I don't know. It was
Speaker 1: a slow rollout to introduce people who know me from
Speaker 1: and comedy. It was a weird time to roll out
Speaker 1: that there's also music and try to get those people
Speaker 1: to do to listen to both. And it's been really nice.
Speaker 1: I mean, on my shows, it's weird because some people
Speaker 1: are just there because they like drag Race. Some people
Speaker 1: are there because they've only seen on and they don't
Speaker 1: even watch. Some people are only there because they only
Speaker 1: know my records. So whatever reason they calm, I try
Speaker 1: to put something in for that, you know, because like
Speaker 1: grown Up has like fifteen costumes, five wigs, so if
Speaker 1: you're there for looks, there's looks, you know. Um. But
Speaker 1: it was always vulnerable. But I like playing my heart
Speaker 1: when I can. I love playing my guitar too. I
Speaker 1: just never thought, you know, I grew up playing guitar
Speaker 1: because I wanted to play music. I never would have
Speaker 1: thought it would ever be playing it and drag like,
Speaker 1: of course not, you know, it's just it's so it's
Speaker 1: great to see like you doing what you truly love,
Speaker 1: because I think that this is just something I gauge.
Speaker 1: And you said to talk about this a little bit
Speaker 1: in the documentary too, which is you love drag Race,
Speaker 1: and like, I'm sure that you um like appreciate the
Speaker 1: experience of having been on it and everything it's afforded you,
Speaker 1: but it seems like you don't love being a contestant
Speaker 1: on the show, you know what I mean, Because it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's I always feel like drag Race can
Speaker 1: make it seem to someone that's watching it like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is measuring how someone is as a drag queen,
Speaker 1: and the best drag queen will win the show, when
Speaker 1: that's really not true. Like being good at drag race
Speaker 1: is a skill in and of itself, and to be
Speaker 1: someone that walks into drag Race and kills drag Race
Speaker 1: and wins means in no way that like you are
Speaker 1: the quote unquote best drag queen. These are all incredible queens.
Speaker 1: So does that kind of come into your mind when
Speaker 1: you're on the show, watching yourself on the show, and
Speaker 1: watching people watch the show, well, I'm not a very
Speaker 1: good competitor, and competition brings out the best in a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I wouldn't say it necessarily brings out
Speaker 1: the best in me. And then I think I'm really
Speaker 1: good at dragging the real world, like the business side
Speaker 1: of it and and the uniqueness of it, like the
Speaker 1: marketing of it. Um. I love selling ship, I love
Speaker 1: writing ship, and so I guess for me, competing on
Speaker 1: drag race has never been like where I do the best.
Speaker 1: I mean, I one, of course, I'm proud of it,
Speaker 1: especially at All Stars. I'm like, I'm I stand by
Speaker 1: every runway and every performance. Um, I did a wonderful job,
Speaker 1: but like I would never want to do it again.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just not. Have you guys ever been on
Speaker 1: a reality style competition thing? It's really I was one
Speaker 1: who wants to be a million I wish doesn't really count.
Speaker 1: And I hope I've hosted a I host this reality
Speaker 1: competition show obviously too. I kind of see you haven't
Speaker 1: competed as a dog yet. No, I haven't competed as
Speaker 1: a dog, but watch this space. Um No, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of interesting to like see how the sausage gets
Speaker 1: made and these are these really are people, thank you. Um,
Speaker 1: but it really is interesting because like they really are
Speaker 1: real people. And then when the judging happens, it's really
Speaker 1: lee what it is like. There's no like producing that
Speaker 1: goes into like the judging of it all. And that's
Speaker 1: why I'm always like, oh, this is so interesting because
Speaker 1: as the host, I kind of was walking to the back,
Speaker 1: and I assume producers would come back and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so for the narrative, this person needs to win and
Speaker 1: that you have to be really hard on this person
Speaker 1: and the judging and that would be kind of guided
Speaker 1: that way. But at least on our show, that wasn't
Speaker 1: the way it was, and I would imagine that's actually
Speaker 1: not the way it is on drag Race because um,
Speaker 1: sometimes the critiques are so like what that it has
Speaker 1: to be their real critique, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and the critiques in real life are they take
Speaker 1: hours for six for the for the three top and
Speaker 1: three bottom to it takes hours and you see ten
Speaker 1: minutes of it maybe, and it's so nuanced because everything's
Speaker 1: also taste. Michelle could love it, Ross could hate it,
Speaker 1: two different opinions. And I love judges I love everyone.
Speaker 1: It's four people behind the table. They're not smarting near
Speaker 1: better than me, And I'm such an asshole. Even on
Speaker 1: Drag Race in front of Rue Paul, who's flawless. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're pretty, but mama, yeah, hello, yeah, And
Speaker 1: you can't really tell me anything. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why you've been on. Even in season seven and I
Speaker 1: went home fourth. I remember sitting in the van being like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well they just told me I wasn't a next drag Superstar,
Speaker 1: but they don't really have control over that idea. Like
Speaker 1: I was talking to Violet about this recently and Violet
Speaker 1: was like, it's crazy to see everything you've done and bought.
Speaker 1: It's such a wonderful person. But she goes, it's crazy
Speaker 1: because I didn't see it for you at all. Like, thanks, Violet,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. But it gets to me you
Speaker 1: can't let those experiences really define you because those reality
Speaker 1: shows are so hard to win. Drag Race is so
Speaker 1: hard to win, especially the all stars format, because it's
Speaker 1: like a rude Goldberg machine. Don't do too good, but
Speaker 1: don't do too bad. You kind of have to do
Speaker 1: what I did and like not eliminate anyone and not
Speaker 1: ever be in the bottom, like that's how to win that.
Speaker 1: I have not been on a reality competition show myself, either,
Speaker 1: but I to like draw a really like jan Kee
Speaker 1: parallel analog whatever. Like hearing you talk about drag Race
Speaker 1: just kind of reminds me of SNL and this in
Speaker 1: the way that it's like people who even audition for
Speaker 1: ESNL and who don't get it are like, are incredible,
Speaker 1: and meanwhile I'm over here being like it's it's and
Speaker 1: it's like what you're saying, It's like, I am a
Speaker 1: fine comedian, fine comedian, fine writer. I happen to be
Speaker 1: decently good at us Like on SNL, I'm my skill
Speaker 1: is being on that show, and it just so happens
Speaker 1: to be that outside of the show, I'm like doing
Speaker 1: all these different things where I'm like humbled every fucking
Speaker 1: moment where I'm like I go onto the set of
Speaker 1: this like TV show and I'm like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the hell I'm doing. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's so valuable for anyone to have like
Speaker 1: multiple environments where they are being challenged in different ways
Speaker 1: so that they can be like, oh wait, I'm not
Speaker 1: deriving all my value and that is so true. It's
Speaker 1: like I know that. I mean, I'm just gonna acknowledge it.
Speaker 1: I know that I get a lot of opportunities other
Speaker 1: drag queens do not get and we'll never get. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to be the first drag queen to
Speaker 1: do so many things, and it's like a lot of
Speaker 1: that is not drag race related. So like I'm lucky
Speaker 1: to be at a place where people love me from
Speaker 1: drag race, but they really like me because of the
Speaker 1: music or the YouTube or whatever. So now it's nice
Speaker 1: because my worth doesn't hinge on what I did on
Speaker 1: a TV show years ago exactly. And isn't it nice
Speaker 1: that you do these live shows and you look in
Speaker 1: the crowd and you tricks he don't necessarily know what
Speaker 1: they're here, like how they know you? You know. It's
Speaker 1: like if I don't even mention drag race and shows,
Speaker 1: because I feel like you already saw that, like you
Speaker 1: came from more, you know. And I don't claim to
Speaker 1: be the best singer, the best dancer, the prettiest that anything,
Speaker 1: but I just try to do things that like, well,
Speaker 1: this is what I do, and I know other people
Speaker 1: can't do it, So I'm going to do that more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like when Bowen said, like when you see
Speaker 1: you during your thing, there's obviously so much joy in it.
Speaker 1: I always like a true hack for anyone that wants
Speaker 1: to do anything is if you are having fun and
Speaker 1: you love what you do truly, everyone else will have
Speaker 1: fun and probably like what you do. Like it's really
Speaker 1: it's just you just have to. It's truly a trick.
Speaker 1: But once I think I read it in Amy Poehler's book, Um,
Speaker 1: it was just like she said something like that's the trick.
Speaker 1: If you are having fun, other people will have fun.
Speaker 1: It does not have to be perfect, it does not
Speaker 1: have to be the best and keep you yes. And
Speaker 1: people out there that are like determined to critique because
Speaker 1: that's who they are and what they are in the
Speaker 1: way that they go about life is to um, be
Speaker 1: very critical and that's how they file things in their brain.
Speaker 1: That's fine. That is not most people, and that it
Speaker 1: is probably not the people that are coming to see you.
Speaker 1: I will say to you like, um, I mean, we
Speaker 1: could talk about this forever, but you owe it when
Speaker 1: it comes to listening to the voices, you owe it.
Speaker 1: The people who love what you do to not pay
Speaker 1: attention to the people who don't love what you do.
Speaker 1: That is huge. That's a very only job. Because I've
Speaker 1: talked like I know, I represent like mediocrity to a
Speaker 1: lot of people. There are a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are like that sense of humor does nothing for me,
Speaker 1: or that music does nothing for me. But that has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with drug. Queens are so confident because,
Speaker 1: like I mean, as tricksy, it's like, you can't tell
Speaker 1: me anything. You can't tell me anything you got. I
Speaker 1: could be bombing, it could be like Mama, that was
Speaker 1: a serve, you know, but with drag. Of course we
Speaker 1: watch for the beads and the sequence in the wigs,
Speaker 1: but we're really watching because it's inspiring to watch someone
Speaker 1: believe it and I believe it. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Before you sell it, you gotta buy it yourself. Okay.
Speaker 1: I'd rather be delusional than depressed. Completely completely, I'd rather
Speaker 1: be delusional than depressed. Put it on my gravestone. Quantity.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like uh circuit gaze with clock fans
Speaker 1: and I'm walking on the stage with an Appalachian harp,
Speaker 1: like Mama, this is about to be it. I'm about
Speaker 1: to shut it down, but the secret live. But I
Speaker 1: also knew when I started playing guitar and drag or
Speaker 1: stuff like that, I knew I had to commit a
Speaker 1: hundred million for it to sell because you can't go
Speaker 1: out there, gunshine what you're doing. That's what good can
Speaker 1: me all the I mean, I was just thinking about
Speaker 1: this too. It's like comedians, like you're really being paid
Speaker 1: for bravery, and the best comedians are fucking fearless. You
Speaker 1: go to watch someone be fearless, which is why it's
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable, and someone's trying to stand up and they're scared.
Speaker 1: I know every time I've had a bad show, I'm
Speaker 1: like that that audience I wake up the next day.
Speaker 1: I was later like it was me. Yeah, I went
Speaker 1: into that. You know what I can always tell like
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's because now we've been doing it
Speaker 1: for so long, and I feel like I've been doing
Speaker 1: it for so long that there was a period in
Speaker 1: like I can, like towards the last couple of years
Speaker 1: of living in New York, like and when I first
Speaker 1: came to l A where I feel like I could
Speaker 1: walk out onto a stage and not even think about
Speaker 1: it and just go and have a good time or whatever.
Speaker 1: But sometimes, like every every so often, they'll be a
Speaker 1: period where I'm about to get on stage, and in
Speaker 1: the minute before or in the thirty seconds before, I'll
Speaker 1: start to have this let's just forgive me, but the
Speaker 1: inner saboteur will come in and I'll just be like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: like is this gonna happen there right now? And I
Speaker 1: that's a fight or flight moment. It's like I can
Speaker 1: listen to this voice for even one second more about
Speaker 1: someone that's in the audience, are people that aren't there
Speaker 1: or whatever, or like maybe I for a second was
Speaker 1: running my ship and I I stumbled over it even
Speaker 1: in my head. Whatever it is in that moment, but
Speaker 1: it's truly defining. I feel like that minute before you
Speaker 1: get on stage where it's like, oh, what do I
Speaker 1: do with this? Because it will dictate how the next
Speaker 1: ten minutes goes, or the next thirty minutes goes, or
Speaker 1: the next hour and a half goes, depending on what
Speaker 1: show you're doing. And so it's so it but I
Speaker 1: so can distill it to myself. You know what it is? True?
Speaker 1: It is, it always is, and that's why at the
Speaker 1: end of the day you can blame whoever. But usually
Speaker 1: in the clear light of day, you're like, I let
Speaker 1: that audience down, I let the no laugh dictate that
Speaker 1: what the show is going to be like in the
Speaker 1: first two minutes, I flumble, flummed, like flubbed and never recovered.
Speaker 1: It's really always you. And that's where you realize like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: if it's me, I trust myself, so I'm gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: It kind of goes both ways. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like we're talking about decades ago when we used
Speaker 1: to be live performers. I think it will stand up
Speaker 1: all the time, And I'm like, am I do my
Speaker 1: credits transfer? Am I gonna have to go like relearn?
Speaker 1: I don't remember my show. I don't remember my five
Speaker 1: minutes at my fifteen minutes, said, I don't remember any
Speaker 1: of them. I think nobody's credits are transferring once, right?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna all have to like go learn stand
Speaker 1: up again? I think so, because I'm even watching these brave,
Speaker 1: brave people who it's in the summer at least would
Speaker 1: do outdoor park shows like standa friends in New York
Speaker 1: would do out of park shows it's like god less,
Speaker 1: I can never do that, like God bless you. And
Speaker 1: then some some people even like like I think Comedy
Speaker 1: Central even recorded some mount or sets and they're now
Speaker 1: posting them on Instagram of like comedians we love and
Speaker 1: who are proven quantities, known quantities as far as like
Speaker 1: their comedy, their voice, who are like playing to these
Speaker 1: rooms quote unquote that are like patios and where the
Speaker 1: audience members are like like nervous to laugh and you
Speaker 1: see it kind of funk with them and like wait
Speaker 1: a minute, we are all we are all like for
Speaker 1: better for worse, like kind of flattened to the same,
Speaker 1: all being like it's like a new like a new computer,
Speaker 1: new phone. A little bit we all got that, like
Speaker 1: it's weird. We're all gonna have to rely on instincts
Speaker 1: and bravery because we don't remember the material. We haven't
Speaker 1: had life experience for a year to make the material.
Speaker 1: Like we can't we can't go into the world and
Speaker 1: talk about COVID. We can't know. No, it won't what
Speaker 1: we won't. Here's the thing. It's gonna be great because
Speaker 1: remember as much as the performers are going to be
Speaker 1: in their head and have to find it. These audiences
Speaker 1: that come back are going to be so happy to
Speaker 1: watch something like that, and the audiences are are going
Speaker 1: to have the back of the performers, and the performers
Speaker 1: are going to be ready to go. I really feel
Speaker 1: confident that just the energy of the live audiences when
Speaker 1: they come back, because I've been thinking about this a lot,
Speaker 1: and I just thought, like, not only am I missing performing,
Speaker 1: I'm also missing going out and seeing things like yes,
Speaker 1: of course I miss like little social things Like I
Speaker 1: was thinking this morning, like I want to go on
Speaker 1: a date, you know what I mean, Like I want
Speaker 1: to dress up, like go to a restaurant and like
Speaker 1: decide there if I want to suck the guy, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to date and do go about even little
Speaker 1: social things now because you have to have like someone
Speaker 1: over your house, you go there or whatever. And with performing,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. I'm getting so used to quote
Speaker 1: unquote a show being I go on like a Zoom
Speaker 1: show that Joe Kimbooster is hosting, and we shoot the
Speaker 1: ship for six minutes about whatever. That's not material, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's not like a rehearse comedy bit.
Speaker 1: But then I thought more about it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, what I miss most of all is
Speaker 1: just going out and being a art of something that's
Speaker 1: that's live and electric, and listening to live music and
Speaker 1: watching live comedy. And I'm gonna be so happy to
Speaker 1: be there when it's all done that I'm actually less
Speaker 1: concerned about performing when I go back because i can
Speaker 1: feel myself in the audience and I'm ready to give
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like because I miss that.
Speaker 1: I miss it so desperately. It's it's I think I
Speaker 1: can speak for all three of us when I say
Speaker 1: it's a life force. Yeah, and staying busy the way
Speaker 1: you guys have, or like if we're being vulnerable, this
Speaker 1: has been probably one of the most I know, we're
Speaker 1: not supposed to say it, but like, besides, touring is
Speaker 1: probably one of the most financially viable years. I've been
Speaker 1: home the most to make the most content. I mean
Speaker 1: Netflix and my YouTube channel and the pot I've content
Speaker 1: every day of the week, and so like, in that sense,
Speaker 1: it's been enriching and it's gonna be people like you
Speaker 1: and me. If you don't use it, you lose it
Speaker 1: and those limbs will atrophy and fall off. So some
Speaker 1: of these drag fans and comedians who are sitting home,
Speaker 1: they are going to come back and not have it.
Speaker 1: They are because they haven't been stretching. Like you also,
Speaker 1: can't you run and then go back to marathon running
Speaker 1: and just expect your body to work. You know, you're
Speaker 1: leg going to fall off. Girl. You hate to break
Speaker 1: it to you. Your legs are going to be falling off.
Speaker 1: And it's nice for you guys. Between the pod and
Speaker 1: S and L and all this stuff, you can at
Speaker 1: least stretch those muscles in a way that's like maybe
Speaker 1: insulated but still using them, still keeping You know, for sure,
Speaker 1: if SNL wasn't happening, bone would be dead. I can agree.
Speaker 1: I can co sign because and every Saturday it's the
Speaker 1: dress rehearsal audience. It's the dress rehearsal audience that comes in,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh my god, like we're like
Speaker 1: one of the only places open and existing that they
Speaker 1: can go see that, yeah, that they can go, Like,
Speaker 1: I I am so fucking lucky to do this. And
Speaker 1: then but I was gonna say, like there are some
Speaker 1: comedians who like just will have the gift no matter
Speaker 1: what I mean. Maybe this is an a fair example
Speaker 1: because she she works at SNL. But I was watching
Speaker 1: like a Zoom stand up show, like back in like April.
Speaker 1: Roll no, no, not back in April, back in um
Speaker 1: like July UM. And it was anadres and and she
Speaker 1: was on this Zoom show and she's just like reading
Speaker 1: jokes that she's written, and she was just kind of
Speaker 1: reading one. She was with her dog in her living room,
Speaker 1: but she's just reading these jokes and she's just like,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, here's something. Um. I was going through old
Speaker 1: journal entries the other day, but I'm trying to read
Speaker 1: less books written by white authors, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you stupid. She was texting me before because she's finally
Speaker 1: watching for the first time ever. She watched the movie
Speaker 1: Second Act with JL, and we were like a live
Speaker 1: texting because she knows that I'm me and of course
Speaker 1: I'm in I'm gonna be an authority on Second Act
Speaker 1: by JL. But which is I'm saying it like it's
Speaker 1: a book that Jlo wrote, It was a film she
Speaker 1: was in. But she's the best. Um. Listen. We could
Speaker 1: literally keep talking for hours on and but we I
Speaker 1: think we should move on to I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: because I know, I know this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: lie because chatter boxes as I've never when they're long.
Speaker 1: As a listener, I listened to the whole thing so well,
Speaker 1: I'm already like thinking, you need to come back often
Speaker 1: because we are any of the time of our lives,
Speaker 1: and this has been a blo I know anybody who's
Speaker 1: a listener of this show dreams to be on this show. Anybody,
Speaker 1: even performers like they all want to do it. This
Speaker 1: is I guess the time bone where we do? I
Speaker 1: don't think, so, honey, would you say, so what is?
Speaker 1: What is? I don't think so honey. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: you asked, and I'll tell you now that you did.
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey. Is a sixty second segment? Oh,
Speaker 1: I know what it is. And so in the sixty
Speaker 1: seconds we rant, which is like a sort of like
Speaker 1: an accelerated, elevated way of speaking about a topic in
Speaker 1: pop culture, which is um popular culture culture that a
Speaker 1: lot of people enjoy and can experience and can consume.
Speaker 1: Really it's about consumption at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: and we can get into whether or not that's healthy
Speaker 1: or not, how good that is, but that it's about consumption,
Speaker 1: the capitalists, you know, sort of regime that we live under.
Speaker 1: We could talk about it, not now but later, um
Speaker 1: and in that say, seconds, we talked about something in
Speaker 1: pop culture, rants against it, and it's because we don't
Speaker 1: like it, that's why rant. Otherwise it will be rave,
Speaker 1: which is the opposite of front um. So this being
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, usually sort of volleyed around one, two, three,
Speaker 1: and I usually go first, and I am prepared to
Speaker 1: do that because I have a thing, okay, interesting, Well,
Speaker 1: then I have the timer ready to go. This is Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Quote twists end quote on the
Speaker 1: national anthem. Okay, so today is the inauguration and Lady
Speaker 1: Gaga is harm in the national anthem. We've probably already
Speaker 1: seen her do it, because I'm imagining this happens in
Speaker 1: the morning, but she has announced prior to singing it
Speaker 1: that she's doing it with a quote unquote twist. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. I don't think this is a
Speaker 1: song that needs a twist. It's not like Willow by
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift that needs like a speaky like cold Soup
Speaker 1: Goblin Ghost remix of them. This song does not need
Speaker 1: a twist. This song was written by MS for Into
Speaker 1: Scott Key Honey, and the key is the key. It
Speaker 1: should be sang in key. We need to be singing
Speaker 1: this song in the correct way. The only way I
Speaker 1: will say you can make a twist on it is
Speaker 1: if you sing it like when Houston extra good. Other
Speaker 1: than that, the last time we saw the National Anthem
Speaker 1: song with a twist, it was Fergie and while it
Speaker 1: was gay culture, it was bad. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's better to have that version of I don't
Speaker 1: of the National Anthem or not. I'm gonna say probably yes,
Speaker 1: but that should be the last twist on the anthem.
Speaker 1: They're done now, Lady Gaga, no sing it normal. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Honey, whoa girl energy? You should storm
Speaker 1: the capitol, says that baby. Can I just say from
Speaker 1: someone who was there, did I see you climbing in
Speaker 1: the window? It was not. It was not as bad
Speaker 1: on the ground as it was on TV. I saw
Speaker 1: somebody climbing in the window and cheating. I was like
Speaker 1: I sort of like did my over the shoulder gas,
Speaker 1: like I was actually pretending to be like, um, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of promising young women that were storming
Speaker 1: the capital, and I was when you and you were
Speaker 1: the one who put a pink wig on the flagpole
Speaker 1: because you were representing the barbs. Yes, I was actually
Speaker 1: so it was people are getting confused. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: like the proud boys that were storming. It was the
Speaker 1: proud Boys and the bars and I was sort of
Speaker 1: the leader of the Yeah, and I was. And I
Speaker 1: was also chancing hey, Mike Pens, but it was more
Speaker 1: like this, hang Mike pain. Um. But anyway, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: lady gu guys apparently doing a twist on the national anthem.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to find out what that is. I hope
Speaker 1: it's something simple. I hope it's like a nail reveal
Speaker 1: or something like low productions, just like nail are a twist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope it's nothing. I hope she like parts her hair.
Speaker 1: I'm also so scared for her to be there, like,
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone there. Here's a twist on the
Speaker 1: national anthem. Don't sing it? You know you wanted a twist. Um,
Speaker 1: but but I just feel like we don't. It's going
Speaker 1: to she's gonna and then seeing it from the floor,
Speaker 1: she's even gonna get a yeah, yeah. I want the
Speaker 1: twist to be the Lady Gaga things that from her
Speaker 1: home from a secure location, Okay, because I don't need
Speaker 1: her and the sucking inauguration. I don't need Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: at the inauguration. I don't need Joe Biden at the inauguration.
Speaker 1: Why we're not doing like a remote zoom thing is
Speaker 1: unbelievable to me. It's not like we're not going to
Speaker 1: be intimidated by terrorists like you should be. I'm that
Speaker 1: home intimidated by terrorists. They're out here promising to come.
Speaker 1: And I honestly hope that this comes out. This this
Speaker 1: episode will come out on Inauguration Day, which yes, I
Speaker 1: can confirm. My building emailed me a week ago, said
Speaker 1: on January twenty, we're gonna be testing the alarm systems.
Speaker 1: It will be sudden and loud. I was like, Hi,
Speaker 1: can we move this to any other day? Do you
Speaker 1: think that, like we could just take one alarming factor
Speaker 1: away from this day test the alarm system Like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be watching the inauguration and panicking because it's the
Speaker 1: alarm is just screaming at me, like why that day regardless,
Speaker 1: I digress. I just can't believe we're having it. Changed
Speaker 1: the alarmed like rain on me or something, you know,
Speaker 1: like the dound check, but changed the material. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I just don't know why we have
Speaker 1: to do it on that day. But they didn't get
Speaker 1: back to my email. Um, but anyway, I just I
Speaker 1: don't I'm kind of dumbfounded that we're having the inauguration.
Speaker 1: I hope that this comes out on the day of
Speaker 1: the inauguration and it's a non factor because it went
Speaker 1: well and safely, but it's it's it's jarring to me.
Speaker 1: And the last thing I needed to hear was that
Speaker 1: Gaga is gonna be there, because of course we need
Speaker 1: also do the twist without saying there's a twist. It's
Speaker 1: like when people wear revealed, that's obvious. We know there's
Speaker 1: something under there. When you walk the runway looking like Voldemort,
Speaker 1: I know that you're taking that off. Of course. That
Speaker 1: is the great myth about the reveal is like that
Speaker 1: the reveals are going to be good because it's a
Speaker 1: real you want to reveal. You want to know why
Speaker 1: Sasha Vlors reveal worked so well because it was an
Speaker 1: incredible lip sync and because it went with the performance,
Speaker 1: and because you didn't see it coming. Yes, give me
Speaker 1: something I have no ideas coming. Yeah, but then you
Speaker 1: could even have said that you could. I mean it
Speaker 1: all like heightened to that point though, that's it was
Speaker 1: part of the narrative, yes, yeah, or like Catia doing
Speaker 1: the Bang reveal, never saw it coming. It's weird, but
Speaker 1: like when you walk out there in a hefty bag
Speaker 1: like this and like, I wonder if that's coming off,
Speaker 1: like anyway, twists on the national anthem, I don't think so, honey. Um,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that Goga's posting of the twist
Speaker 1: of telegraphing the twist is saying like working on something fun,
Speaker 1: can't wait to announce. Oh, it's like Demi Vato being
Speaker 1: like our nation is in such disgrace, I'm going to
Speaker 1: the studio, yeah, I or like influencers when they're like
Speaker 1: secret project and it's them in a picture they took
Speaker 1: six months ago. It's not even related anyway. The girls
Speaker 1: are trying their best and speaking of trying their best,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to say ultimately probably really slang and succeeding.
Speaker 1: This is who is? Who is? I just think one
Speaker 1: of the I think bon Yang is one of the
Speaker 1: most important people in the culture. And I think that
Speaker 1: and I stand and I recently was in reviewed and
Speaker 1: I say, I was asked about Owen Yang and I
Speaker 1: cried no from who I frequently shed shed tears about you.
Speaker 1: Come on, was it a ch angela to cry? Did
Speaker 1: you like cheat out to the camera and like, did
Speaker 1: you like make a moment? Sorry, I'm getting emotional. Yes,
Speaker 1: love that love it, which is my way of starting
Speaker 1: dropping in what in the moment of moving parts were
Speaker 1: in Catia caused Trixie like one of the best comedicy
Speaker 1: writers like ever. I'm just like, I was like, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's I'm catty in that moment to you and
Speaker 1: Matt's Trixie where I'm always like gassing my sister up
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're I'm like, you're incredible anyway, Well,
Speaker 1: I love you right back. Girl. Done it again constantly.
Speaker 1: We love to do that monologue, but with negatives like hey, flop,
Speaker 1: you have again ing the bar for all of us
Speaker 1: constantly raising the bar for the circus, the circus and
Speaker 1: doing it foolish and you wait, is that Wait? Is
Speaker 1: is it hay clown? Hay clown clown? Okay, you have
Speaker 1: done it again, constantly raising the bar for the circus.
Speaker 1: I'd say, I'm surprised, but I know who you are,
Speaker 1: personal cat, and I get stuck in these rattles where
Speaker 1: we see the same thing over and over again, and
Speaker 1: right now it's Hey over and over again. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just talked about this on the last weeks episode. We've
Speaker 1: been saying flop for weeks. Yeah, flop. We are obsessed
Speaker 1: with flop. For a while, we were stuck in like
Speaker 1: we would be in a room together silently, ten minutes
Speaker 1: to go by, and she'd be like, Stacy, did Frederica
Speaker 1: ever mentioned a Jame gum or a Jamie gum, which
Speaker 1: is from Silence of the Lamps. Yes, that's me and
Speaker 1: bowing with them for months we were doing I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to pass on that one, which is the front
Speaker 1: Gun interview about like rather singers, good writer, good performer,
Speaker 1: young producer, young producer and Sissy's baby. You just get
Speaker 1: stuck in these like story loops. Yeah, so David David.
Speaker 1: It was watching Um Housewives and one of the trailers
Speaker 1: ended with someone going, I wouldn't be surprised if we
Speaker 1: never saw an East Richards again, And I was stuck
Speaker 1: saying that for weeks weeks, I'll be taking the trash show,
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't be surprised if we never sawed East
Speaker 1: Richards again. Also another one is Bowen and I love um.
Speaker 1: On Real Housewives, they said, um, beast, I'm done talking
Speaker 1: to you, you beast, beast, and then she it's pure evil,
Speaker 1: pure evil, pure evil. I'm telling you, Trixie, you would
Speaker 1: love Housewives because you love you love the existence of
Speaker 1: the woman, the desperate woman just micro performances within like
Speaker 1: within two words like that's just you love the observation
Speaker 1: of the woman who was a laugh away from a tear,
Speaker 1: and that is every single woman who was ever on
Speaker 1: Real Housewives, and that's why we need to watch it.
Speaker 1: We get stuck saying, m pretty much. I would let
Speaker 1: Gema know that Gemma is a fat hunt. We get
Speaker 1: that is a good one. UM in which anything New
Speaker 1: York says, look at the material is pretty up there
Speaker 1: to look at the material. Oh my god, New York Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a dreamer. Dream at your sleep, don't you sell good?
Speaker 1: You know what we got? We got stuck on? Um, hey,
Speaker 1: break a leg? What did you say said? Break a leg?
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm gonna get the part. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. Yes, Okay, Oh, I know those one
Speaker 1: liners from shows I've never seen. I'm not gonna break
Speaker 1: it like, I'm gonna get the part. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm gonna get the part. Assen on pause,
Speaker 1: but I'm play. Yes, So the one that really doesn't
Speaker 1: get the first fucking night. Yes. Also, Hoops is this
Speaker 1: Hoops is a whore, Her mom's, her grandma's. The biggest
Speaker 1: horror I've ever seen in my entire life. There will
Speaker 1: never be anyone like New York on reality TV in
Speaker 1: that same context. Oh my god, she invented it. I
Speaker 1: submit Monique as host of Charm School. Um, the who
Speaker 1: jumped out and then it jumped you exhibited hore like behavior.
Speaker 1: The whore jumped out and then it jump back in.
Speaker 1: But it jumped out. And when you when you do clownary,
Speaker 1: the clown comes back to. Yes, it's it's important material.
Speaker 1: She won an Academy Award deserved it. Also, I've only said,
Speaker 1: like David was watching Housewives and I got stuck saying,
Speaker 1: m uh, is it about Tom? It's about Tom? Does that?
Speaker 1: I don't even know the show? So then things will
Speaker 1: get stuck and like, why is that clinging to my brain?
Speaker 1: It has that effect on you. Lisa Arena is the
Speaker 1: gift that keeps on giving. But she has been for decades,
Speaker 1: but she recently had a line on Housewives, which was
Speaker 1: at a reunion. She goes, you liked the tweet, and
Speaker 1: in liking the tweet, it says everything. Every It says
Speaker 1: everything everything, or at least I had that one really good.
Speaker 1: At least he goes, Oh, you're angry. You're so angry.
Speaker 1: You are so crazy, so crazy, you get it? Who
Speaker 1: told you that? Who told you that angry? It's so
Speaker 1: kind ofcending, like, oh, you're angry. Both of them, both
Speaker 1: of them knew it was the last scene they would
Speaker 1: have on the show together, and they're both soap actresses
Speaker 1: that were beat to hell sitting on that couch looking
Speaker 1: at each other half cross legged, knowing it was both
Speaker 1: their last scenes of the of the season, and they
Speaker 1: were serving it. I don't know. You gotta get into it.
Speaker 1: Um listen, this is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: He claims to have a topic and gonna see Bowen.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're I don't think so, honey. Time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The relationship between gum health
Speaker 1: and preventing dementia? Did you guys know about this? Cola
Speaker 1: Scola told me? Or was it Joe Firestone? Someone told
Speaker 1: me that you have to floss within twelve hours every
Speaker 1: single day, or once you get older, you're going to
Speaker 1: not remember anything that you form dementia plaques. I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is real. I haven't actually verified the science,
Speaker 1: but I believe it when I hear my friends tell
Speaker 1: me you have to flostery el soo, you're gonna get Alzheimer's.
Speaker 1: I have a family history. I don't think so many
Speaker 1: this relationship because I don't want I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: being sort of conned in a way into flossing and
Speaker 1: into maintaining my dental health. But no, I will do
Speaker 1: anything in my power to prevent Alzheimer's from hitting me.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna Bells Gray. I'm not gonna become my grandmother.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to say. It's tragic and cheap and
Speaker 1: cheap passed. So um, I don't think so many. This
Speaker 1: new relationship that I have to sort of, this new
Speaker 1: element of upkeep that I have to incorporate into my life,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, this um potentially bogus relationship
Speaker 1: medically that I have to now abide. That's one minute.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to hear about this as someone with several
Speaker 1: grandparents who passed away of better. Yeah, apparently, but honestly,
Speaker 1: keep it in the teeth, like, just keep the string
Speaker 1: in the teeth full time, because gums they bleed, girl,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. But once you get into it,
Speaker 1: once you get into a habit of flossing, they stopped leading.
Speaker 1: They don't bleed you. Alright, Well, I guess I gotta
Speaker 1: break it in. Alzheimer's isn't funny? However, is something funny
Speaker 1: about forgetting really essential ship in your life? I know
Speaker 1: this's awful, but in the movie Still Alice, when she
Speaker 1: couldn't find the bathroom in her own home and pistol pants,
Speaker 1: I was laughing so hard. I know that that's awful,
Speaker 1: but like I cried a lot in that movie. But
Speaker 1: peeing your pants in your own house because you can't
Speaker 1: find your own bathroom is it is funny? Well, the
Speaker 1: reason you left is because if you're gonna feel cry
Speaker 1: and when you're gonna do that's the thing. Is like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm already a dripping wet pisces if I'm trying.
Speaker 1: If I want to find the humor in something that's
Speaker 1: that's sad, let me because I guarantee you trust me.
Speaker 1: I feel very sad about it on the inside. And
Speaker 1: that's almost why I'm laughing, because if you don't laugh,
Speaker 1: you'll cry, And that's where that comes from. But that
Speaker 1: being sun to the bathroom with my pants and I
Speaker 1: don't have Alzheimer's, so like yeah, and so what excuse
Speaker 1: do you have? I drink whiskey, not a one, because
Speaker 1: sometimes I have fireball whiskey with pizza. You might as
Speaker 1: well be still Alice after that girl, Come on diet
Speaker 1: literally wait wait, bow and I wanted to tell you
Speaker 1: I've been making my own food at home and I
Speaker 1: don't think cooking my meat right and I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm shipping like Bow and Yang. It's horrible. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: how are you you're on the record that your ships
Speaker 1: are bad. But how are you cooking your meat? Girl?
Speaker 1: I'll cook it and then I'll just like cast iron
Speaker 1: skill it or something. Do you think I don't have
Speaker 1: a cat? Are you? Leg Hottie with the chicken in
Speaker 1: the microwave? That's also iconic. The editing on that show
Speaker 1: is showed so shady. Every time Hottie blinks and they
Speaker 1: do the bike ring wing ring wing, like shaping another one.
Speaker 1: Beyonce bit you look like Luther vand Van Dross bit
Speaker 1: you like Luther Van Dross. Yeah, I might be a
Speaker 1: bitch to at least it don't go around to everyone's Yeah,
Speaker 1: so good, Hotti Hotti mental institution by a straight jacket
Speaker 1: that said that it's Goldie. It's gold Goldie's gold. Yes,
Speaker 1: mental institution busing a straight jacket. So that show is incredible,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so good. And then um, who's the
Speaker 1: one a pumpkin who spits in her face? It's like
Speaker 1: a pumpkin. Do I hate her? No? Does she still
Speaker 1: need a facelift? Yes? Like she invented reality television? She did. Also, wait,
Speaker 1: I just want to throw I just want to say
Speaker 1: before we move on to trickxies. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: One of the most iconic from Real Housewives of Atlanta
Speaker 1: is who gon check me Boo? Who go check me boo?
Speaker 1: You need to get checked? Who don't check me boo?
Speaker 1: And then the neck role that went into it. I'm
Speaker 1: just like say was she made some mistakes and got
Speaker 1: got kicked off the franchise, but she was forever Okay,
Speaker 1: So huge moment in So far Out. It's Trixie Mattels.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Times do you have something prepared?
Speaker 1: By the way, I do these alone in my house
Speaker 1: all the time, and I say, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: While it happens, we love that, Okay, okay, and this
Speaker 1: is tricky, I don't think so honey. Her time starts now. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a little bit tired. But I follow a
Speaker 1: lot of doll collecting websites and sometimes I'll go ton
Speaker 1: they'll be selling dolls, and every time they post dolls
Speaker 1: on Facebook, they put trigger warning because some people are
Speaker 1: afraid of dolls. If we've arrived at a place where
Speaker 1: you can't scroll past some naked Barbie dolls being sold
Speaker 1: in a lot, you maybe shouldn't have a computer be
Speaker 1: on the internet. With that, and with that, the way
Speaker 1: that Barbie has become a scapegoat for people's issues and
Speaker 1: people's problems. Let me tell you, Before Barbie, women were
Speaker 1: only allowed to play with barbe baby dolls, women were
Speaker 1: allowed to mention the moms. And then Barbie came along,
Speaker 1: and you could imagine to be single, have a house,
Speaker 1: a car, have jobs, be beautiful. And the only reason
Speaker 1: Barbie gets scapegoated as like the landing point people's in
Speaker 1: securities is because America makes women hate their bodies. Barbie
Speaker 1: is a toy that's so popular, everyone has one, and
Speaker 1: so just because there's a been diagram doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: Barbie's at the fault of all of that. Barbie changed
Speaker 1: the lives for women forever, forever and what and there
Speaker 1: we go. And that's one minute. I any un any
Speaker 1: anti Barbie culture I'm hesitant about because I feel that
Speaker 1: it wasn't her fault and putting the blame on her
Speaker 1: is anti feminist things. It's very first thought. It's very
Speaker 1: first thought. And that was like a Malcolm Gladwell essay trick,
Speaker 1: state like you synthesizing those two things, well, thank you.
Speaker 1: I feel very strongly about I've read my free time,
Speaker 1: I read a lot of nonfiction books about Barbie, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't be more passionate about it. Barbie is she's
Speaker 1: a scientist, she's a lifeguard, she's a teacher. She's a model,
Speaker 1: she's stunning, she's a legend, she's an icon, she has
Speaker 1: a point, she is the moment. She's a woman who
Speaker 1: gets it. She's a woman, she's she's bisexual, she's a friend.
Speaker 1: I'm crying. She's a mother, she's a driver, she's a
Speaker 1: police officer. Until she came along, and they were basically,
Speaker 1: you can pretend to be a mom and that's it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then the reason she got to popular is because
Speaker 1: people are like a dog with boobs, I can't have that.
Speaker 1: But the greater fear than that is raising a daughter
Speaker 1: who wasn't attractive. So parents were like, well, maybe if
Speaker 1: I buy this, my daughter will have a meal ticket
Speaker 1: because she'll have a husband. So it's a very dark past.
Speaker 1: But the heavy lifting that Barbie did for the development
Speaker 1: of like equality and women and the way that can,
Speaker 1: at least in the last ten years, she gets everything
Speaker 1: loaded on top of her is crazy. It's crazy. I mean,
Speaker 1: like people lose their minds even at like the like
Speaker 1: the differently figured the more realistically figured or or proportional
Speaker 1: Barbie like the dolls. Like everyone had a conniption, And
Speaker 1: I was like, but is it really do we do
Speaker 1: we actually care that much? Or do we hate that
Speaker 1: idea so much that like we are going to shoot
Speaker 1: on this on Twitter for like a whole day. I yeah,
Speaker 1: how many g i jo's do see with beer bellies? Bitch?
Speaker 1: Not right? Yeah? Yeah exactly, but one and I were
Speaker 1: talking because Ben de la Cram, who we fucking love
Speaker 1: is like featured prominently in in your documentary as well.
Speaker 1: We were talking like him eliminating himself on All Stars
Speaker 1: was the most was the most iconic thing he ever
Speaker 1: could have done, and the most dragged thing he ever
Speaker 1: could have done. Like I'm flipping around this lipstick it's
Speaker 1: my own name in this shitty white out, and I'm
Speaker 1: leaving and gonna pretend like it's an emotional moment and
Speaker 1: stomp out of here after like killing it in the
Speaker 1: way that this competition exists. Right now, I have checked
Speaker 1: ten on every box and now I'm gonna see myself
Speaker 1: out and even the way Ru reacted. I knew that
Speaker 1: Rule loved it, Like I've I felt like Rue must
Speaker 1: have loved it, or at least I hope that Rule
Speaker 1: loved it. But the thing is like I felt like
Speaker 1: that was drag on top of drag, which made it
Speaker 1: so iconic and amazing to me. Yeah, I mean, what's
Speaker 1: more punk rock than exiting a drag competition on your
Speaker 1: own terms? It's it was hunger games like the berries,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna kill myself like it was that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was that you and you even made you even
Speaker 1: made the observation in the documentary or like after that happened,
Speaker 1: you were like me, Ben wants us to be the Olympics.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's a it's a TV shows Like
Speaker 1: Ben didn't want to wear a crown that represented also
Speaker 1: reality TV, and it's like, you really should leave then
Speaker 1: if you don't want to carry that title, if you
Speaker 1: don't think it's ethical, you'll be happy, you know. By
Speaker 1: the way, by the way, everybody's like, no man, no bitch.
Speaker 1: I was like, but because because I'd love to wear
Speaker 1: the crowd, me and Angela were like finally, it's like
Speaker 1: we were thrilled. Angel were like everything, I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like it. Yes, Like like Kennedy ran backstage like
Speaker 1: she was not the father. She angela like what like this?
Speaker 1: And I was not the father. I was just thrilled.
Speaker 1: I was like, right, right, right, it was nice. I definitely,
Speaker 1: I mean I unofficially owe her about a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: So thank you, Ben to the There's a moment in
Speaker 1: the documentary I think I keep talking about the docs. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but when it's it's the premiere. It's the premiere party
Speaker 1: for All Stars three, and then you and Ben and
Speaker 1: Kenny your back stage um, and you're talking about Katya um.
Speaker 1: And then Ben's like, yeah, I mean like sometimes I
Speaker 1: get I get asked questions or like people were asking
Speaker 1: you about conton You're like, I don't know how to answer.
Speaker 1: Then Ben was like, yeah, I get asked questions too.
Speaker 1: And then you cut her off. You're like, why do
Speaker 1: you dress like this? And then immediately Ben picks up
Speaker 1: and it's like yeah right, and it's a mental issue,
Speaker 1: and like you guys have such a genuine line. I'm
Speaker 1: like so funny and like I feel so like fly
Speaker 1: on the wall for like watching this interaction, even happened.
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is great. I wish for
Speaker 1: both of you to someday. I'm sure you've done it
Speaker 1: if you can, somebody be in a drag dressing room.
Speaker 1: That is where the show is. It is people who
Speaker 1: respect each other being fucking mean to each other is
Speaker 1: so funny. I guess that's That's one more thing I
Speaker 1: want to ask, is like, so yes, like the way
Speaker 1: that the fans get heated about it at the show
Speaker 1: and the results of the show, etcetera. It's it's very
Speaker 1: high stakes. I wonder like amongst the cast when when
Speaker 1: the results are kind of happening, like you know, the
Speaker 1: Morgan McMichaels of it all, and like you know, like
Speaker 1: the the eliminations are tough from the very beginning. Is
Speaker 1: it actually dramatic and thick between you guys or are
Speaker 1: you guys kind of like performing mixture of both? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: you have to. It's a little bit Stockholm syndrome because
Speaker 1: it is real, especially on all stars level, because we
Speaker 1: all want this, we're all stars, were all professionals. But
Speaker 1: is Stockholm syndrome because when you've been there a week
Speaker 1: with no phone and no outside contact, you this is
Speaker 1: your bubble and this is the real world. It feels
Speaker 1: real reality TV. When you're doing well, it does feel real.
Speaker 1: So certain things feel more emotional. When somebody's eliminated, it
Speaker 1: does feel like they're dying. It does. It feels like
Speaker 1: you're never going to see them again. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not true. Especially. What makes me laugh though, is when
Speaker 1: drag Races like two episodes in and everyone's been there
Speaker 1: two days and like, we've been here the whole competition.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you've been three days. Like chel love her
Speaker 1: to death. We're like three days into drag Race and
Speaker 1: she's like, I miss my cat. I'm like cheating like
Speaker 1: four days. She was just like I'm exhausted. I love her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was a true, true true. Let's dedicate this episode
Speaker 1: to the incomparable cheat debate. If you stay ready, you
Speaker 1: ain't got to get ready the most like, so good,
Speaker 1: very good, Well, I love you. Guys. May go down
Speaker 1: to history as our longest episode, and I probably could
Speaker 1: have done it for two more hours. They could please
Speaker 1: come back literally open invitation whenever you want, like this
Speaker 1: is truly truly fine. Well, thank you, I really appreciate it,
Speaker 1: and um, I know you guys, have a lot of
Speaker 1: similar listeners. But if anybody wants to hear bald in
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Speaker 1: part of Artist Special comes out this week, so get
Speaker 1: into it. Check it out, check it out, into Yes
Speaker 1: and by makeup, Come by makeup stream Barbara read the book,
Speaker 1: do all that. But um, I just love you guys.
Speaker 1: This has been such an honor. We love you back,
Speaker 1: and we got to say, oh my lord and um listen,
Speaker 1: the way we sort of wrap up every episode is
Speaker 1: famously with the song before we sing it, I want
Speaker 1: to ask you a question. Did you want you did
Speaker 1: watch Promising Young Woman? Did? So? Next week we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about Promising Young Woman. But there's a scene
Speaker 1: in it where bo Burnham knows all the words to
Speaker 1: Paris Hilton Stars are Blind? And I just want to
Speaker 1: ask a question before we leave. Do you think straight
Speaker 1: men know the words to Paris Hilton Stars are Blind?
Speaker 1: I don't even think a lot of game that know it. No,
Speaker 1: and don't make this another plot. No, but and this
Speaker 1: is gonna this is gonna draftly carry into our conversation
Speaker 1: next week when we'll discussed the film. But for now,
Speaker 1: even though the guys can make it nice and naughty,
Speaker 1: be got at and stollen body. Let's see what do
Speaker 1: you love? King may be I'm perfect for you. Do
Speaker 1: you listen to the rest of that song? Watch promising
Speaker 1: young woman available to rent. Bye Bye,