Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson
Speaker 1: with You, And this is that show that for me
Speaker 1: as a fun one center because we get to talk
Speaker 1: about a very important debate. We nailed the last debate
Speaker 1: President of debate by saying that if Joe Biden had
Speaker 1: a bad night, he would not be the nominee. We
Speaker 1: were right on that one. So what's the prediction this time?
Speaker 2: So Tomorrow night is in all likelihood the single most
Speaker 2: important night between now and election day. Both candidates have
Speaker 2: a lot to lose. The stakes are very high. I
Speaker 2: think this will be the only debate between Donald Trump
Speaker 2: and Kamala Harris. I don't Thinkamala wants to do another debate.
Speaker 2: That means Tomorrow night, Kamala's got to make it through it.
Speaker 2: If she makes it through it, her team will put
Speaker 2: her back in Joe Biden's basement and she will not
Speaker 2: leave again until election day. She'll come out periodically to
Speaker 2: read a speech from a teleprompter, and then they'll throw
Speaker 2: her back in the basement. Trump, on the other hand,
Speaker 2: this is his single best opportunity to lay out the
Speaker 2: massive difference between his record and Kamala's record. But it
Speaker 2: also has a lot of risks. She's going to try
Speaker 2: very hard to bait him. She wants him to look
Speaker 2: like a jerk. She's going to do everything she can
Speaker 2: to try to make him look like a jerk. And
Speaker 2: he's going to have to show a super human level
Speaker 2: of restraint, a greater level of restraint than I think
Speaker 2: he's shown at any previous debate.
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Speaker 1: said a moment ago you think this is the most
Speaker 1: important debate. Is this the most important debate for Trump
Speaker 1: as much as it is important for Kamway Harris, who
Speaker 1: has a a a a tougher night hitting a home run.
Speaker 2: So this debate is huge for both of them. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't think it will be the most consequential debate ever.
Speaker 2: That was the last debate, and our listeners will recall
Speaker 2: the night of the Trump Biden debate. We recorded a
Speaker 2: special pod that night. By the way, we'll do this again.
Speaker 2: We'll do a special pod the night of the Tuesday
Speaker 2: debate and we'll give our analysis real time right after
Speaker 2: the debate. But the Biden Trump debate, we said that
Speaker 2: night was the most consequential presidential debate in history because
Speaker 2: and we predicted it that evening, it would change the
Speaker 2: names on the ballot. That's exactly what it did. That
Speaker 2: debate resulted in Joe Biden being pulled off the ballot.
Speaker 2: This debate, I don't think is going to have that
Speaker 2: level of consequence. We know that name's on the ballot
Speaker 2: now they're going to be Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: That's not going to change. But from Trump's perspective, the
Speaker 2: upside is very significant. This will be his single greatest
Speaker 2: moment to cut through the billions of dollars of media propaganda.
Speaker 2: The media is doing everything they can to lionize, to
Speaker 2: canonize Kamala Harris. The debate tomorrow night is his chance
Speaker 2: to lay out substantively why people's lives were better when
Speaker 2: he was president than they have been while she and
Speaker 2: Biden are running the federal government, and why people's lives
Speaker 2: will be better next year when he is president again
Speaker 2: than they are right now under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: Upside is significant from Kamala, the upside is not as
Speaker 2: great as the downside. Listen, there is a reason her
Speaker 2: team does not trust her extemporaneously. There is a reason,
Speaker 2: like I am not aware of any precedent in history
Speaker 2: for any campaign doing what Kamala is doing, which is
Speaker 2: utterly and completely hiding from the media. They have so
Speaker 2: much concern about her ability to answer questions on the
Speaker 2: fly that this debate has a real downside. If she
Speaker 2: says something really dumb, if she crashes and burns, that
Speaker 2: that's a risk. On the other hand, look, you and
Speaker 2: I have talked about this before. I worry that Republicans
Speaker 2: underestimate Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: I think I think a lot of Republicans think she's
Speaker 2: dumb as rocks, and I that's not the case, and
Speaker 2: I've served with her in the Senate, and the problem
Speaker 2: is Republican expectations are so low for Kamala that it
Speaker 2: really does lower the expectations for the debate. So if
Speaker 2: she does fine, if she gets up and gives reasonable
Speaker 2: answers and doesn't have a catastrophe, the media will all
Speaker 2: spin it as a huge victory for her. That's dangerous because,
Speaker 2: as I said, the expectations have been defined so low
Speaker 2: that she doesn't need to clear all that much for
Speaker 2: it to be considered by all of the media a
Speaker 2: victory on Kamala Harris's part.
Speaker 1: You know, the last debate also had a different I
Speaker 1: think bar standard. Right when it began, I think the
Speaker 1: media realized, we can't fix this. We got to get
Speaker 1: rid of this guy, we got to dump him. And
Speaker 1: you and I did a post debate analysis, which we
Speaker 1: will also do after this one, and it was very
Speaker 1: clear instantly this was we got to get rid of
Speaker 1: this guy. We got to get rid of this guy.
Speaker 1: We got to get rid of this guy. We got
Speaker 1: to get rid of this guy. And you could hear
Speaker 1: it as soon as the debate was over on.
Speaker 2: Everybody, everybody, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, all the media, the
Speaker 2: demand redic operatives, they were all get rid of Biden.
Speaker 2: We're gonna lose, give us a new choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so when you knew that was a chance,
Speaker 1: they don't have that option now. So they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to tell everybody, even if it is not a great night,
Speaker 1: that it's a better night than it was or wasn't
Speaker 1: that bad. Right, they're gonna spin it. We know that
Speaker 1: because they can't replace her, like they're stuck. We're within
Speaker 1: the sixty day window here. This is the candidate. So
Speaker 1: they're gonna lie if they have to. They're gonna cover
Speaker 1: for her if they have to. So what does a
Speaker 1: bad night actually look like for her? Is it getting stumped?
Speaker 1: Is it you know, getting fact checked or just saying
Speaker 1: things aren't true or nailing her on her flip flops,
Speaker 1: because if you look at the list, she has basically
Speaker 1: changed her position on almost everything that's significant in the
Speaker 1: last two weeks. I mean we're talking about she's changed
Speaker 1: her what she thought on fracking. She's changed her thoughts
Speaker 1: on getting rid of combustion engines and cars. She's changed
Speaker 1: on almost every major policies you held.
Speaker 3: Now she's in favor of the wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think the flip flopping is less damaging
Speaker 2: than the actual substantive failures of her administration. You and
Speaker 2: I talked about this the night of her speech at
Speaker 2: the DNC convention. There were lots of aspects of that speech,
Speaker 2: but the most fundamental was that it's divorced from reality.
Speaker 2: Her campaign is trying to run a campaign like she's
Speaker 2: a challenger. They are treating Donald J. Trump like he's
Speaker 2: the incumbent president. It's fundamentally weird. That's not how VP's run.
Speaker 2: VPS run saying our record in this administration has been
Speaker 2: really successful. Continue the success. She's trying to run away
Speaker 2: from everything the last four years, and so listen. My
Speaker 2: advice to Trump would be, don't focus as much on
Speaker 2: the flip flopping. Focus on the fact that her actual record. Look,
Speaker 2: you don't have to tell us what you would do.
Speaker 2: You're in office, you're doing it right now, and what
Speaker 2: you're doing right now is a disaster. So it doesn't
Speaker 2: really matter what empty promises you make, because we are
Speaker 2: seeing the effects. And the most important advice for Trump, well,
Speaker 2: actually there's a number of different bits of advice. One
Speaker 2: is don't blow his top, don't get provoked. And by
Speaker 2: the way, Kamala's entire strategy is going to be to
Speaker 2: piss him off. She wants him to blow his top
Speaker 2: and become a spectacle. She wants him to look like
Speaker 2: an abusive jerk, that is, I promise you hurt ab eighteen.
Speaker 2: She's sitting there with Pete Boudage, Edge and a bunch
Speaker 2: of smart Democrats saying, okay, how can you poke him?
Speaker 2: What irritates him, what makes him angry? And they want
Speaker 2: to paint him so their spinners will say that he's
Speaker 2: a misogynist and a racist, that he doesn't like women,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't like African Americans. It doesn't matter what
Speaker 2: he says, that's going to be their spin. But she's
Speaker 2: going to try really hard to get him to say
Speaker 2: something that they can point to his proof for the
Speaker 2: claim that they're already planning to make. And so, from
Speaker 2: his perspective, the downside he has to avoid is stepping
Speaker 2: into that is getting provoked. The upside he has. You know,
Speaker 2: the best political advice I've ever gotten was something Heidi
Speaker 2: told me years ago, right when I was first running
Speaker 2: for the Senate, and I was getting ready to go
Speaker 2: give a speech, and I was getting ready to walk
Speaker 2: out on stage, and Heidi told me, she said, remember,
Speaker 2: it's not about you. It's about them. It's about their children,
Speaker 2: their hopes, their dreams, their future. Like every good political address,
Speaker 2: every good political debate, it's not about I'm so awesome,
Speaker 2: I'm so wonderful. It is about you, your family, your children,
Speaker 2: what you care about. That I think is the most
Speaker 2: important thing for Trump to do tomorrow night is focus
Speaker 2: on how Joe sixpacks life was better when he was
Speaker 2: president than it is now and it can be better again.
Speaker 2: It's also it is not all backwards looking. It is
Speaker 2: backwards looking only to assess what the future will be.
Speaker 2: Debates are also about what is your life going to
Speaker 2: be like next year. Everyone wants their life to be better.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants their kids to be better off. Everyone wants
Speaker 2: their income and their finances to be better. Everyone wants
Speaker 2: their hope and future and their safety and security be better.
Speaker 2: And Tomorrow night is Trump's best chance to hold Kamala
Speaker 2: responsible for the failures of her own record and to
Speaker 2: contrast that with the successes of his record and then
Speaker 2: draw the connection that means you at home, your life
Speaker 2: is better if I'm in the White House next year.
Speaker 3: So how short is the list?
Speaker 1: And this is a question that I always ask when
Speaker 1: I'm involved with debate prep is I don't want my
Speaker 1: guy to got on stage with too much in his head, right,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to go out have him go
Speaker 1: out there with too many things where you get off
Speaker 1: on tangents that maybe don't connect with a voter. You
Speaker 1: look at the list and it's a pretty long list
Speaker 1: of flip flops that we have. Basically banning plastic straws,
Speaker 1: I leave that one off the list. For example, a
Speaker 1: mandate for automakers might bring it up. Banning fracking, I'd
Speaker 1: own that if I was him. Mandatory buyback program for
Speaker 1: assault weapons. She just flip flopped on that and dropped
Speaker 1: that idea in the last week. Decriminalizing cross and border
Speaker 1: I'd own that one. But there's you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot that she's flip flopped on at federal jobs guaranteed,
Speaker 1: do you lean in on that one? It was part
Speaker 1: of the Green New Deals. She says she's no longer
Speaker 1: for it. A medicare for all. Do you lean in
Speaker 1: on that one? Reparations for slavery? Do you touch that one?
Speaker 1: What ones do you stick with and really try to
Speaker 1: hit home runs on?
Speaker 2: If you're Trump? There are four issues in this debate, border, inflation, crime,
Speaker 2: and national security. Borders number one and Trump needs to
Speaker 2: pound over and over and over again. When I was president,
Speaker 2: we had the lowest rate of illegal immigration in forty
Speaker 2: five years. You and Joe Biden have deliberately caused an
Speaker 2: invasion of this country. Every death that has happened, every
Speaker 2: child that has been abused, every woman that has been raped,
Speaker 2: is because you invited eleven and a half million illegal
Speaker 2: immigrants into this country, and to this day you refuse
Speaker 2: to fix it. And in fact, I would focus on
Speaker 2: something you and I talked about in our podcast last week,
Speaker 2: which is just last week, Mexico announced the government of
Speaker 2: Mexico that they are paying for buses to take illegal
Speaker 2: immigrants from Mexico's southern border to our southern border. The
Speaker 2: government of Mexico is doing this. They're putting armed guards,
Speaker 2: armed soldiers on those buses and they're dropping them off.
Speaker 2: They're doing this because you, your administration created an app
Speaker 2: for an illegal immigrant down in Central America to say, Hey,
Speaker 2: I want to come to America and you invite them.
Speaker 2: That is happening today. And so understand if Kamala Harris's president,
Speaker 2: this invasion will continue. But instead of eleven and a
Speaker 2: half million people, it's going to be twenty million or
Speaker 2: thirty million people. And that means they're going to be
Speaker 2: more dead bodies, they're going to be more children assaulted,
Speaker 2: they're going to be more women raped. Making that case
Speaker 2: is critical inflation, So on every pole that is done,
Speaker 2: the number one and number two issues in this country
Speaker 2: are Number one are the crisis of the southern border
Speaker 2: and inflation slashed the economy. Those are typically one and two.
Speaker 2: They're both at about thirty percent depending on the state,
Speaker 2: depending on the time of the pole, one or the
Speaker 2: other is one and two. But those two together dominate
Speaker 2: the field. After that crime, although crime wraps into illegal
Speaker 2: immigration as well, so it's it's it is its own issue,
Speaker 2: but it's also a subsidiary of illegal immigration, and then
Speaker 2: two simultaneous wars. Look, I think Trump needs to own
Speaker 2: when I was president we had no wars. Not only
Speaker 2: that ISIS. During Barack Obama, Isis owned a caliphate, they
Speaker 2: were waging war. In just a few months, I defeated
Speaker 2: ISIS and it was all over, and we had no war.
Speaker 2: We had peace, and in fact, we had peace breaking
Speaker 2: out in the Abraham Accords. I signed the Abraham Accords.
Speaker 2: The Middle East, we sawbs and Israelis coming together under
Speaker 2: you and Joe Biden. We have the war in Ukraine
Speaker 2: because Russia is encouraged by the weakness that you and
Speaker 2: Joe Biden have. And we see October seventh and the
Speaker 2: war in Israel because you sent one hundred billion dollars
Speaker 2: to Iran and ninety percent of Hamas's funding comes from Iran,
Speaker 2: and you funded the death squads that murdered Israelis. You
Speaker 2: say you've got Israel's back, Why do you continue flooding
Speaker 2: cash into Iran? Kamala, You gave a speech at the
Speaker 2: DNC saying you will always support Israel. Why today are
Speaker 2: you allowing Iran to sell two million barrels of oil
Speaker 2: a day funding the death squads who are fighting and
Speaker 2: murdering Israelis and Americans. Why are you doing that today?
Speaker 2: And by the way you trying to get that. It's
Speaker 2: a question. I think Trump Church try to force her
Speaker 2: to answer that, to turn to her and say answer
Speaker 2: the question why. Right now you are in office, I
Speaker 2: enforced the oil sanctions and we cut a RAN's oil
Speaker 2: sales from a million barrels a day down to three
Speaker 2: hundred thousand. You and Joe Biden came in, you refuse
Speaker 2: to enforce them, and Iran is selling two million barrels
Speaker 2: a day. Kamala, why are you going to allow Iran
Speaker 2: to sell two million barrels a day tomorrow? Because the
Speaker 2: money they make is gonna fund Hamas terrorists that is
Speaker 2: going to murder Israelis and Americans? Why are you so
Speaker 2: committed to giving money to America's enemies? She's gonna run.
Speaker 3: I don't know how Kamal answers that to be well.
Speaker 3: And this is my question.
Speaker 1: Do you preemptively say what you think the response is
Speaker 1: gonna be? Because I think what if I was on
Speaker 1: her side, I'd say, look, you're gonna respond with we
Speaker 1: have sanctions on Iran and I'm in favor of those sanctions.
Speaker 1: I'm an active in those sanctions. So should he preemptively say, hey,
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna say you've got sanctions, but they're
Speaker 1: not being enforced, so they're worthless. Just like you said,
Speaker 1: say we have safety at the border, and it's worthless.
Speaker 1: It's wide open southern border. Everybody knows it. Do you
Speaker 1: take that off the table in part of in part
Speaker 1: of your attack on her if you're Trump.
Speaker 2: Now, no, why now? Because you let her make that response,
Speaker 2: and then you say, look results better. When I was president,
Speaker 2: we had the lowest rate of illegal immigration in forty
Speaker 2: five years. Under you, it's the worst in history. So
Speaker 2: what you're doing is not working. When I was president,
Speaker 2: Iran was selling three hundred thousand barrels a day. Under you,
Speaker 2: it's two million barrels a day. That's eighty billion dollars.
Speaker 2: You've given to the Ayatola commany who chance death to
Speaker 2: America and death to Israel. I would I'd let her.
Speaker 2: I'd want her to say, we have sanctions, we're trying. Well,
Speaker 2: if you're trying, you're either catastrophically incompetent or you don't
Speaker 2: in fact want them to work. Because what I can
Speaker 2: tell you is when I was there, it worked. So
Speaker 2: one of us can get the job done and the
Speaker 2: other could try to tomorrow. You're still you have the
Speaker 2: opportunity to get the job done right now, and you're
Speaker 2: not doing it. I think it's because you don't want
Speaker 2: to do it. I think it's because you want the
Speaker 2: money to go to Iran. But whether you want this
Speaker 2: result or you simply or are so ineffective that you
Speaker 2: can't get it done, it doesn't matter, because the result
Speaker 2: for Americans is our lives are at greater jeopardy today.
Speaker 2: We have a greater risk of a terrorist attack than
Speaker 2: any time in history. And that listen what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: These are not words that come naturally from Donald Trump. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Number one, they're based on laying out a detailed factual
Speaker 2: predicate that that's not so. Look, let's talk for a
Speaker 2: minute about what the two candidates are doing. Kamala right
Speaker 2: now is doing a very detailed preparation session. She has
Speaker 2: a whole room of people, she has someone I'm sure
Speaker 2: playing Donald Trump. They're going through questions, they're going through answers,
Speaker 2: entering possible options. Trump has said a thousand times he
Speaker 2: doesn't prepare for debates. I don't know if he's preparing
Speaker 2: for this debate or not. I do know that when
Speaker 2: I debated him over and over and over again. I
Speaker 2: think it was right that he did not prepare. That's
Speaker 2: just not how he does it, which means it is
Speaker 2: harder to think through. Now. Look what he does well
Speaker 2: is he has instincts of a barroom brawler. He has
Speaker 2: instincts of just uppercut, uppercut, uppercut, and those instincts can
Speaker 2: be valuable, very valuable. I will say, I think they
Speaker 2: are more dangerous to him with an African American female
Speaker 2: opponent than they are with an old white guy. That
Speaker 2: it's one thing to punch Joe Biden, it's another thing. Look,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what he says or does. They're gonna
Speaker 2: call him a misogynist and a racist, but they desperately
Speaker 2: want him to give one SoundBite that is proof for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they want the clip and they can use an.
Speaker 2: Ad And so this is where I hope they're doing
Speaker 2: some preparation. I don't know if they are, but avoiding
Speaker 2: giving that clip. And it's where his usual approach of
Speaker 2: just go into the fight and whatever they say, just
Speaker 2: punch them, that has risks. Now that being said, and
Speaker 2: I said this the night after Biden's debate, I called
Speaker 2: Trump a couple days later and told him this, the
Speaker 2: debate against Biden was the best debate Donald Trump has
Speaker 2: ever done. He was in control, he was measured, He
Speaker 2: didn't go over the top. He didn't he didn't interrupt.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I actually think it is a
Speaker 2: real victory for the Trump campaign that the microphones are
Speaker 2: turned off. I think the irony is the Biden campaign
Speaker 2: insisted upon that in the scene end debate, and I
Speaker 2: think it proved a huge favor to him, because look,
Speaker 2: if you look at the first debate between Trump and
Speaker 2: Biden back in twenty twenty, that was not a good debate.
Speaker 2: And the reason it was not is that Trump interrupted
Speaker 2: Biden constantly and Biden was in the process of crashing
Speaker 2: and burning, and Trump's interruptions basically save Biden. What he
Speaker 2: did in this most recent debate because his microphone was
Speaker 2: turned off, is he stayed quiet and let Biden destroy
Speaker 2: himself in this instance. And there was the hole back
Speaker 2: and forth where ironically Kamala said, we want the mics
Speaker 2: back on, and Trump's campaign team said, no, let's stick
Speaker 2: with the rules we had. I think that substantively benefits
Speaker 2: Trump because it helps him be more disciplined and constrained,
Speaker 2: and it lets Kamala. She will be memorizing little bits,
Speaker 2: little one minute answers, and she will be and she'll
Speaker 2: do some good ones. She will have some good moments
Speaker 2: that she member. It's why if I were Trump, I'd
Speaker 2: ask some specific questions. I'd put her on the you know,
Speaker 2: why are you going to allow Iran to sell two
Speaker 2: million barrels of oil tomorrow when you know that money
Speaker 2: will fund Hamas and Hezbala and be used to murder
Speaker 2: Israeli's and Americans. I doubt she's prepared for that question.
Speaker 2: If I were Trump, I'd be thinking of a couple
Speaker 2: of places where she has to add lib because her
Speaker 2: greatest risk is when she's ad libbing. Look, you recall
Speaker 2: the interviews she did where she was asked about you
Speaker 2: haven't been to the border, and she's like, well, well
Speaker 2: have him been to Europe? Well, I have him been
Speaker 2: to the border. Like the ad libbing she was bad at.
Speaker 2: Trump wants to get her in a position where he
Speaker 2: asks a really powerful question.
Speaker 1: And she can't answer it. That would be a blessing.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned crime Center is another point that you thought
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump should really hit on this debate. And
Speaker 1: there's a very interesting new stat that came out to
Speaker 1: sad stat.
Speaker 3: But it's one that's important.
Speaker 1: A police officer is shot in the US every twenty
Speaker 1: two hours this year. That is a massive increase during
Speaker 1: the Biden Harris era. Police Union has come out and
Speaker 1: they said under the watch of the Biden Harris administration,
Speaker 1: a police officer in United States of America is now
Speaker 1: being shot every twenty two hours this year. According to
Speaker 1: the Maternal Order of Police, more than two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty law enforcement officers have been shot so far this year.
Speaker 1: They said, this is the war on cops is continuing
Speaker 1: in this country because we have turned them into the
Speaker 1: bad guys. During the past two years, center more than
Speaker 1: six hundred and thirty law enforcement officers have been shot.
Speaker 1: We saw three hundred and seventy eight officers shot last year.
Speaker 1: That is a sixty percent increase from twenty eighteen when
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was president.
Speaker 3: Should that become an issue?
Speaker 2: So look, I think standing up for law enforcement and
Speaker 2: standing up to secure the border absolutely should be an issue.
Speaker 2: I would go after Kamala on her repeated support for
Speaker 2: abolishing the police, for defunding the police, for defunding an
Speaker 2: abolishing ice. This is what she's done over and over again.
Speaker 2: I would tie it to her raising money to bail
Speaker 2: out violent protesters, violent rioters in Minneapolis, and by the way,
Speaker 2: she picked as her VP the most liberal governor America
Speaker 2: who refused to send in the National Guard to stop
Speaker 2: Minneapolis from burning. And so her pattern for her entire
Speaker 2: career has been siding with the radicals who undermine cops.
Speaker 2: And Donald Trump ought to point out, look, the Fraternal
Speaker 2: Order of the Police has endorsed me. Law enforcement offices
Speaker 2: across this country have endorsed me. The Border Patrol Union
Speaker 2: has endorsed me. He ought to make that point tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: He ought to say, the men and women who protect
Speaker 2: us are standing with me, and there's a reason because
Speaker 2: I stand with them because I have their backs. And
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, her entire career, systematically has undermined them. And
Speaker 2: I would turn turn to her and say, Kamala, at
Speaker 2: a public Senate hearing, you compared to ICE, the Immigration
Speaker 2: and Customs Enforcement Agency who protect us from violent criminals
Speaker 2: coming to this country, you compared them to the KKK
Speaker 2: the Ku Klux Klan. Do you still think the people
Speaker 2: who guard our border and protect us from violent criminals
Speaker 2: coming in this country? Do you still think their clansmen
Speaker 2: like That's the sort of question Kamala she doesn't have
Speaker 2: a good answer.
Speaker 1: To doesn't have a good answer to it, and that
Speaker 1: puts her in a corner. How much do you think
Speaker 1: the the This is going to be a tough debate
Speaker 1: for Trump on the issue. For example of Israel, Like,
Speaker 1: I think that should be brought up. I could see
Speaker 1: that the media and the and those that are involved
Speaker 1: in this debate running away from that issue. Should he
Speaker 1: make that an issue as well? And how much he
Speaker 1: supported those that are advocating for the terrorists.
Speaker 2: He absolutely should, because it divides the Democrat party. He
Speaker 2: should point out, Look, it is your party that is
Speaker 2: embracing the pro Hamas protesters. It is your party that
Speaker 2: is funding a RAND that's paying for Hamas. It is
Speaker 2: your party that is undermining Israel. And you know, I look,
Speaker 2: this might be an interesting moment for him to turn
Speaker 2: to her and say, listen, when I was president, we
Speaker 2: had the Abraham Accords, we had incredible historic peace in
Speaker 2: the Middle East. Why did it go so badly as
Speaker 2: soon as you and Joe Biden took over? What did
Speaker 2: you do wrong? Or Comma, do you think you did
Speaker 2: nothing wrong that you have no You bear no responsibility
Speaker 2: for the disaster that happened as soon as you came
Speaker 2: into the White House. All right, that's another nat question, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how she answers that. I actually, if
Speaker 2: I were part of Kamala's prep team, that's really that's
Speaker 2: a tough question to answer because whatever she says, it
Speaker 2: is a problem. And the rioters, look, I wouldn't make
Speaker 2: Israel about Israel. I would make Israel about America.
Speaker 1: How do you mean, because that's that's hard to do.
Speaker 1: That's I'm asking it sincerely. How do you do that then?
Speaker 2: Because everyone who hates Israel hates America. By the way,
Speaker 2: everyone who hates Jews hates Christians. Hamas hates Israel, and
Speaker 2: they hate America. Hesbela hates Israel and they hate America.
Speaker 2: Iran refers to Israel as the little Satan. They refer
Speaker 2: to America as the great Satan. I'd say kamala. Under
Speaker 2: your administer, you put one hundred billion dollars in the
Speaker 2: hands of Iran. They funded Hamas and Hesbala. They committed
Speaker 2: the greatest mass murder of jew since the Holocaust in
Speaker 2: a single day, and they have called for jihad against America.
Speaker 2: Your administration has released multiple terrorists to have crossed our
Speaker 2: southern border. It's only a matter of time until radical
Speaker 2: Islamic terrorists commit another horrific terror attack in the United States.
Speaker 2: And if I were Trump, I'd look at the camera
Speaker 2: and say, I'll tell you what if I am present,
Speaker 2: I will protect you against that. We're going to secure
Speaker 2: the border, We're going to stop the terrorists, We're going
Speaker 2: to stop letting them in for the last four years.
Speaker 2: So one of the most important jobs that Trump has
Speaker 2: to do is to tie her to her actual record,
Speaker 2: because their entire campaign is based on running away from
Speaker 2: a record. Now from Kamalist perspective, all right, I'm going
Speaker 2: to wager and offer you a hundred dollar bet.
Speaker 3: You have my attention. I like winning bets with you.
Speaker 2: One hundred dollars bet that Kamala tomorrow says the words
Speaker 2: I'm speaking. You're gonna take that bet? Oh, she's gonna
Speaker 2: say it. No, I will not take that bet. No
Speaker 2: way in hell, okay. And it's why she's so pissed
Speaker 2: that the mics are off, like like she's been practicing
Speaker 2: I'm speaking and she has t shirts made to say
Speaker 2: I'm speaking because she wants him to interrupt her.
Speaker 1: And it's the Yeah, she's he's a chauveness pig who's
Speaker 1: interrupting a strong woman.
Speaker 2: You know, stop mansplaining like like she's ready for that.
Speaker 2: Because the mics are off, it's going to be harder.
Speaker 2: But she will have a moment. All right, how about
Speaker 2: a dollar? Will you take a dollar bet that she
Speaker 2: says just for the entertainment. I'm just says so, so
Speaker 2: next podcast one or the others is collecting a dollar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in for that one. I yeah, no problem.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to something you said them
Speaker 1: by the way.
Speaker 2: I admire you as a fiscal conservative, that you're cheapest.
Speaker 2: Hell I met Romney. I've not met Romney. I didn't
Speaker 2: say a ten thousand dollars bet. I said a hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: All right, So you want to know something. You're going
Speaker 3: to laugh at this.
Speaker 1: So there's two things I will always bet because I
Speaker 1: still feel like I win even if I lose.
Speaker 3: You ready for the list. It's very simple, kso or barbecue.
Speaker 2: You'll bet keso your bet barbecue.
Speaker 1: Every time you I know I'm gonna lose because even
Speaker 1: if I lose, I still get keso o a barbecue.
Speaker 3: I still win.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: So you know what Heidie and I bet in our marriage.
Speaker 2: I love this. What is it? We bet either a
Speaker 2: latte or a BackRub. And it's kind of like I
Speaker 2: don't care if I win or lose either way, Like
Speaker 2: if I buy my wife a latte. That's great. If
Speaker 2: I give her a back rub, I like giving her
Speaker 2: a back rub, and she gives me a back rub.
Speaker 2: I like getting a BackRub. Like it's it's like it's
Speaker 2: a perfect bet because there's there's no losing, all right.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to something that you said
Speaker 1: a moment ago, and it's a theme that I would
Speaker 1: say if I was in the room tonight with Trump
Speaker 1: doing last minute debate prep, I would tell him to
Speaker 1: own this line that you mentioned, and I want to
Speaker 1: go back to it.
Speaker 3: You are in office now.
Speaker 1: Is that a theme that he should keep hammering home
Speaker 1: to remind people this is not somebody that's running for
Speaker 1: she is the incumbent.
Speaker 3: You're in office now.
Speaker 1: All the problems that you're creating that you now claim
Speaker 1: if you vote for me, I'm going to fix. Why
Speaker 1: aren't you fixing them now? Is that a theme he
Speaker 1: should hammer home?
Speaker 2: Yes, but I would connect it to this. You say
Speaker 2: you will do X. You're in office right now, you're
Speaker 2: doing the opposite of X, and it's a disaster. Like
Speaker 2: I'd make the point, all right. When I was a
Speaker 2: college debater, because as you know, I was one of
Speaker 2: the cool kids. I was not a Division one college
Speaker 2: athlete like a certain co host of mine, I hear.
Speaker 1: I feel like that almost took me off the list
Speaker 1: for this gig with you, right, It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's an athlete, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you know, by the way, I can still
Speaker 2: take your acid hoops. Well that's true, particularly because you've
Speaker 2: gotten particularly because you've gotten so skinny. Like when you
Speaker 2: were seventy pounds heavier, you were more dangerous because you
Speaker 2: could post up on me and just sort of use
Speaker 2: your mass and you might have been able to outscore me.
Speaker 2: You and I have not.
Speaker 3: Shared that on one but I faster. Now this could
Speaker 3: be a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think, I think I think I could.
Speaker 2: I think I could take your ascid hoops. Now you
Speaker 2: can kill me at tennis, not even not even beat me,
Speaker 2: but dominate me at tennis. But I think I could
Speaker 2: take you at hoops. But but we may never know.
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, last time you played with me,
Speaker 2: you did get your finger broken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was out of commission for six eight weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's on you. By the way, I'm still waiting for
Speaker 1: that workers com claim to come through.
Speaker 2: Knowing keep waiting a.
Speaker 3: Long time on that one, all right, But back to.
Speaker 2: My employer owes thirty to thirty four trillion dollars. My
Speaker 2: employer's judgment.
Speaker 1: Proof you do work for an interesting company. I will
Speaker 1: say that. So back to are you you are in office?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: How do you keep hammering that?
Speaker 2: I think you do it to make the so anyway,
Speaker 2: the point I was making about college debate is, particularly
Speaker 2: when you're in opposition, the word that I would always
Speaker 2: urge a debater to say in opposition is harms. Harms, harms,
Speaker 2: Who is hurt, who is hurt? Make it real, make
Speaker 2: it connect it to the actual harms. This goes back
Speaker 2: to the case that she gave you when you're debating. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's it's absolutely the same. It is who is losing,
Speaker 2: who is hurting. So she's going to promise, she's going
Speaker 2: to promise I'm going to lower prices. She's going to
Speaker 2: promise I'm going to secure the border. She's going to promise,
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring peace to the Middle East. And
Speaker 2: it's a very simple point. You say this, but if
Speaker 2: you were in fact going to do it, you would
Speaker 2: do it right now. Nothing is stopping you from doing it.
Speaker 2: Today you are doing the opposite If the American people
Speaker 2: want to know what you'll do in office, the best
Speaker 2: way to know what you'll do in office is ask
Speaker 2: what are you doing in office right now? And by
Speaker 2: the way, if the American people want to know what
Speaker 2: I'll do in office, the best way to know is
Speaker 2: to look at what I did when I was in office.
Speaker 2: When I was in office, we had the lowest unemployment
Speaker 2: rate in fifty years when I was in office, where
Speaker 2: the lowest African American unemployment ever recorded. When I was
Speaker 2: in office, where the lowest Hispanic unemployment ever recorded. When
Speaker 2: I was in office, we had historically low inflation at
Speaker 2: two percent or lower. When I was in office. We
Speaker 2: have the lowest rate of illegal immigration in forty five years.
Speaker 2: When I was in office, we had pa and prosperity worldwide.
Speaker 2: Russia didn't invade anybody, China didn't invade anybody, and Israel
Speaker 2: was not only at peace, but was negotiating historic peace
Speaker 2: agreements with Arab neighbors. Every single thing that worked well
Speaker 2: for the American people. You and Joe Biden have screwed up,
Speaker 2: and you're campaigning promising it'll be different, but you're not
Speaker 2: willing to change anything today. I think you're going to
Speaker 2: continue doing what you're doing right now, and what you're
Speaker 2: doing right now is not working.
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Speaker 1: only have one debate, What would make Kamala Harris have
Speaker 1: debate too? And how important is it to get her
Speaker 1: into a second debate after this one? Because look at
Speaker 1: the reality is, this is still two months away from
Speaker 1: election day and Americans have a zero point two percent
Speaker 1: second memory when it comes to stuff. I mean, we
Speaker 1: have Donald Trump that was just shot for goodness sakes
Speaker 1: and sassination tempt and no one's talking about that anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, that can't be true. Alexa told me it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: Good point, which is a great example of how big
Speaker 2: tech is wildly biased in trying to completely skew the
Speaker 2: election results, as is, for example, the entire corporate media. Look,
Speaker 2: the only way I think Kamala does another debate is
Speaker 2: if this goes so catastrophically bad that our team concludes
Speaker 2: that she is losing unless something happens different. I think
Speaker 2: that's unlikely. It's possible, but I don't think this debate
Speaker 2: is going to be the same sort of bloodbath that
Speaker 2: the Trump Biden debate was. I think the narrative after
Speaker 2: the debate, every media outlet is going to say, Kamala
Speaker 2: wan she could literally fall to the ground curl up
Speaker 2: at a ball and begin crying and wailing hysterically, And
Speaker 2: they'd say Kamala one because that's what they want to say,
Speaker 2: because they know they can't pull her. They were willing
Speaker 2: to attack Biden because they said, Wow, we can get
Speaker 2: rid of this guy and be in a better position
Speaker 2: to win. At this point, they're committed. They are tied
Speaker 2: to the mast of the ship Kamala Harris. So it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what she does, they're gonna say she won.
Speaker 2: So it would take something truly epic for it to
Speaker 2: be bad enough for them to be willing to agree
Speaker 2: to another debate. Now Trump wants another debate. He's asked
Speaker 2: for a Fox News debate, but of course Kamala will
Speaker 2: not go in front of a hostile questioner. She wants
Speaker 2: she wants the questioner, she wants the moderators to be
Speaker 2: on her side. And by the way, let's close. I
Speaker 2: want you to listen to this compilation of Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: debating Pence and her saying what I said she is
Speaker 2: going to say tomorrow night. I'm speaking. Give a listen,
Speaker 2: mister Vice president. I'm speaking. I'm speaking, mister Vice President.
Speaker 4: I'm speaking.
Speaker 3: I'm speaking be important if you see the truth.
Speaker 4: Mister Vice President, I'm speaking, I'm speaking. If you don't
Speaker 4: mind letting me finish, we can then have a conversation. Okay, please, okay, fine,
Speaker 4: answer you now?
Speaker 2: Do people deserve a straight answer.
Speaker 4: I will not sit here and be lectured by the
Speaker 4: Vice president.
Speaker 2: I'm speaking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm about to I will not be lectured by
Speaker 4: the Vice president.
Speaker 1: I mean that's her dream scenario, right, do that to
Speaker 1: Donald Trump all night.
Speaker 2: She's going to try. With the MIC's off, it's going
Speaker 2: to be harder, but she's still going to say it.
Speaker 3: It's going to be an interesting debate.
Speaker 1: It's going to be very interesting to see if we
Speaker 1: get a second one out of it, and it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how the media spends it if it
Speaker 1: is a bad debate.
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