1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,759 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Welcome back to she Pivots. I'm Carolyn Tisch Blodgett. 2 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: Welcome back to she Pivots, the podcast where women share 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: bold career moves and personal turning points that changed everything. 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:30,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: I'm your host, Emily Tisch Sussman. There is exactly one 5 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: guest I bring back on this show every season, same person, 6 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: different pivots. 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:36,440 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Every single year. 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: We're back with our annual she Pivots episode with my sister. 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: Carolyn Tish Blodgett is the CEO and founder of Next Three, 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,839 Emily Tisch Sussman: our family sports investment fund. She represents our family's ownership 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: at the New York Giants. She's the governor of Gotham FC, 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: New York and New Jersey's women's soccer team, and the 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: first ever chair of the Executive Committee of the National 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: Women's Soccer League. And this past year, the team she's 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:06,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: been building at Gotham won the championship again. She got 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: here by her own three kid pivot after building the 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,680 Emily Tisch Sussman: brand at Peloton. But for that story, you're going to 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: have to go back to her episode from twenty twenty three. 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: We do this interview every year because I want the 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: real time version of what it takes to build a 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: women's sports brand, not just the highlight reel, the bet, 22 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: the doubt, the wins, the parts nobody sees. This is 23 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: Carolyn Tish Blodgett, and this is how she pivots again. 24 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:36,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: What is your name and what do you do? 25 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I'm Carolyn Tisch Blodgett, CEO and founder of Next three. 26 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I oversee all of our sports investments. I'm the governor 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: of Gotham FC, and I work with our family at 28 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,640 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: the Giants as an advisor to ownership. 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: And how do we know each other? 30 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:48,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: Oh? 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,920 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: And you're my sister. This is now our annual interview 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:52,920 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: fel so honored. 33 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: The reason we keep having you back on is not 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,920 Emily Tisch Sussman: just because you keep pivoting, but also because we've been 35 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: tracking the progression of Gotham from the beginning, Like we've 36 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: done this every season now of like, how do you 37 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: think about owning a women's sports team? 38 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,760 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: What is the landscape? 39 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: And it's evolved every year, So how do you think 40 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: about owning a women's sports team? Because you really run Gotham, 41 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:14,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: how has it evolved? 42 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I think when I came on this podcast last year, 43 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,280 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I was just about to become the first ever chair 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,920 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: of the executive committee, which is kind of chair of 45 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,280 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: the league. I think we were like late breaking news 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: on the podcast. We broke it, Yes, we broke it 47 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,680 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: here breaking news. I'm still here now. It's a two 48 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,959 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: year role, so next year I will be breaking news 49 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,200 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: of pivoting away from that. There wasn't such an easy 50 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,400 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: decision to take on that role because it is a 51 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:36,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: lot of work. 52 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,240 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I think we know. I've like I've built brands before. 53 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,440 Carolyn: I used to run marketing and peloton, so I know 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,440 Carolyn: what it takes to be successful at the kind of 55 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:45,919 Carolyn: what is in front of me. These are the steps 56 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,800 Carolyn: we need to do to be successful at the local level. 57 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,919 Carolyn: But our success at Gotham really hinges on the league 58 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,399 Carolyn: being successful. I think all of us collectively, and part 59 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,280 Carolyn: of what's interesting about being on the board is as 60 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,120 Carolyn: much as we compete on the field, it really is 61 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,440 Carolyn: is a group of people that believe in the collective 62 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,560 Carolyn: and we all work together because we all know each 63 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,120 Carolyn: of us is only going to be successful in our 64 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,000 Carolyn: own markets if the league is successful. So that was 65 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,200 Carolyn: kind of the decision to spend time on the league. 66 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,000 Carolyn: As I think about how I spend my time on 67 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,120 Carolyn: league things, some of it's like very in the weeds 68 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,080 Carolyn: and probably not that interesting on the podcast, But I 69 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,680 Carolyn: think at a macro level, we are coming up on 70 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,040 Carolyn: our next media deal. Getting more people, getting the casual 71 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,000 Carolyn: sports fan and a lighter user of the product into 72 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,800 Carolyn: our games in a more regular way is job number one. 73 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,600 Carolyn: Part of our thesis, and in investing in Gotham was 74 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,520 Carolyn: a bet that we have the best product in the 75 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,440 Carolyn: world if you're talking about women's soccer, really soccer in general. 76 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,080 Carolyn: This is one of the best products in the world, 77 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Carolyn: but not enough people are currently fans today. So we 78 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,800 Carolyn: want to go grow that and I think we've seen 79 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,960 Carolyn: a lot of that success, but I think we're still 80 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,880 Carolyn: really at the tip of the iceberg in terms of 81 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,200 Carolyn: how big this league can grow, and so all our 82 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,000 Carolyn: eyes are on this next media deal, really getting more 83 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,000 Carolyn: eyeballs on the product. And can you actually explain what 84 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,760 Carolyn: the media deal is and why it's significant. We're only 85 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,200 Carolyn: in the first ever media deal for the entire league, 86 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,640 Carolyn: right what was before that? So this is the second one, 87 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,600 Carolyn: the original media deal. The games are on Lifetime TV. 88 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,159 Carolyn: Personally love Lifetime TV, but not really your destination for 89 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,039 Carolyn: like I'm just laying on the couch looking for a 90 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,640 Carolyn: sports game, where can I find it? So this current 91 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,440 Carolyn: media deal that we're in was really revolutionary. At the time, 92 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,680 Carolyn: it was forty times what the last one was. The 93 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,240 Carolyn: league actually has to pay for production, so a lot 94 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,800 Carolyn: of times like you're losing money actually to even get 95 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,240 Carolyn: your games on TV. So now we are on multiple channels, 96 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,680 Carolyn: we are paid at a much higher rate. Again, I 97 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,520 Carolyn: think that number will go up. It's kind of a 98 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,760 Carolyn: balance of how much you're paid and how much access 99 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,440 Carolyn: you have. The discoverability is challenging if you think about, 100 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,120 Carolyn: like when the NFL moved Thursday Nights to Amazon Prime, 101 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,080 Carolyn: that took hundreds of millions of dollars to train consumers 102 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,240 Carolyn: like Thursday night, I watched the NFL on Prime, and 103 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Carolyn: so we are on Prime on Friday nights. We're still 104 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,120 Carolyn: training the consumer to realize that, figuring out the right 105 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,720 Carolyn: balance of reach, discoverability, and who are the partners that 106 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,920 Carolyn: are going to really lean in and help us grow this. 107 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: Before this media deal, when it was just on Lifetime, 108 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,599 Emily Tisch Sussman: not every game was aired right. So if you like 109 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:17,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: went to a game and you're like, oh, this is 110 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: so fun, I start following, you can't find a lot 111 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: of that couldn't right, and that's still the case. Not 112 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,320 Emily Tisch Sussman: all of our games are aired today, So we have 113 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,920 Emily Tisch Sussman: as a league product called the End of Yourself plus app. 114 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: It exists so you can at least to your point, 115 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: like if you're a really avid fan, you can find 116 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,039 Emily Tisch Sussman: all of our games. 117 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:35,360 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Even for our own games. 118 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,320 Emily Tisch Sussman: Like when we talk about like discoverability, the amount of 119 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,360 Emily Tisch Sussman: texts that go on game day, mainly from mom who's 120 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: like I can't figure out what the game is on. 121 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: I can't even find it. It's like it's like go 122 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: through all of them. Even when you go into any 123 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: of our channels, even if you start searching the keywords 124 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,360 Emily Tisch Sussman: like NWSL Gotham Soccer. 125 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,159 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: It doesn't always show up. You have to search like 126 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: twenty different names. 127 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,039 Carolyn: I think as teams, we could do a much better 128 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,479 Carolyn: job of promoting where our games are. I think that's 129 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,120 Carolyn: back to the kind of building the habits. Like ESPN 130 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,320 Carolyn: will be in a more regular cycle where we're on 131 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,799 Carolyn: ESPN every Sunday night, so then we'll start to build 132 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,640 Carolyn: the habit and the teams and the league can do 133 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,880 Carolyn: a much better job of like building those habits and 134 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,080 Carolyn: pushing people there. And then to your point, on discoverability 135 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,120 Carolyn: within it. That's where I go back to, like, who 136 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,320 Carolyn: are the right partners that are really going to invest 137 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,720 Carolyn: with us and really want to see us be successful. 138 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,880 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I would point to the Championship. It was on CBS. 139 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,400 Carolyn: It broke a million viewers, first time we've had over 140 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,880 Carolyn: a million viewers on Championship or any of our games, 141 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:33,960 Carolyn: and CBS was. 142 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,800 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Thrilled with it. They really wanted to lean in. 143 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,440 Carolyn: When we lean in with our partners and we have 144 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,839 Carolyn: the right broadcast people there and all that, we get 145 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,120 Carolyn: the results. And so now going into the season, we're 146 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,400 Carolyn: having great conversations with all of our partners, but in 147 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,440 Carolyn: particular them to say how do we build off of 148 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,640 Carolyn: that championship number and continue to grow that into the 149 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:51,159 Carolyn: next year. 150 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: We had a talking circle at Gloria Steinem's house a 151 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,919 Emily Tisch Sussman: couple of weeks ago, and one of the things that 152 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: came out of that conversation was that women's yo worts 153 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: is in the zeitgeist. When we had this conversation two 154 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: years ago, it was not. So that feels really different now, 155 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,279 Emily Tisch Sussman: like two three years later. The ownership of women's sports 156 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: is seen by a lot of male investors as an 157 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: incredible investment, and they're moving fast, and they're taking up 158 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: all the allocations of these investments, and so a lot 159 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,679 Emily Tisch Sussman: of these women's sports teams and sports leagues are actually 160 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: getting gobbled up by the mail investors who who are 161 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: like purely in it for the numbers, and the women 162 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: investors who are moving a little slower and maybe don't 163 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: have the confidence to be in sports are getting edged out. 164 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,240 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: This has now become like a new passion to find. 165 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: We are having right now the great wealth transfer where 166 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: our generation, the generation above us are making a lot 167 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: more money inheriting a lot more money, like need to 168 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: diversify and think about how to invest, and women are 169 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: not necessarily looking at sports in that same way. 170 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,640 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: How is that playing out for you? Is this true? 171 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,320 Emily Tisch Sussman: Like, are you finding that these male investors are like 172 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: moving fast and taking up all the allocation. Are you 173 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: having other conversations with women who could be going into 174 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,320 Emily Tisch Sussman: sports investment, in sports ownership? 175 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,600 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: What are those conversations look like. 176 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Carolyn: Obviously there's many less female owners than there are male 177 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,320 Carolyn: across men's and women's sports. Wealthy individuals that could become 178 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,119 Carolyn: investors in sports, that's probably where the conversation needs to happen. 179 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,440 Carolyn: So whether it is like their advisors, their family offices, 180 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,800 Carolyn: whoever is advising them to start to have those conversations 181 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,480 Carolyn: around do you want to be sports owner? 182 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:20,560 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Is that interesting to you? 183 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:20,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: Like? 184 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: These are the teams we should look at. 185 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,360 Carolyn: Women's sports being seen as an investable asset is a 186 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,480 Carolyn: very good thing for women's sports. There is a good 187 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,120 Carolyn: return on an investment in women's sports. That was our thesis. 188 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,000 Carolyn: I've spent the past two years trying to get people 189 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,360 Carolyn: to see that, and I think when you see private 190 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,880 Carolyn: equity funds coming into women's sports, that's a good thing. 191 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,080 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: That means that people see that there's a return. 192 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,920 Carolyn: Before it was seen as an investment asset, it was 193 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,719 Carolyn: seen as a charity. And you don't want to be 194 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,200 Carolyn: a charity because a charity means it's not taken seriously. 195 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,440 Carolyn: It means funding gets pulled when you change your mind. 196 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,200 Carolyn: That's not the gross story of women's sports. The growth 197 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,600 Carolyn: story is an investment class. The back of private equity 198 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,400 Carolyn: firms want to invest in women's sports is a good 199 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,200 Carolyn: thing and I think we'll continue to drive valuations up. 200 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,600 Carolyn: It will continue to drive real investments into women's sports, 201 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,000 Carolyn: including the end of yoursel. Your point that I agree 202 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,160 Carolyn: with is the like, why don't more women see themselves 203 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,280 Carolyn: as owners? And I don't think that's really on the league. 204 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,439 Carolyn: By the time it gets to us and we're reviewing, 205 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,600 Carolyn: you know, expansion bids or potential investors, that's probably too late. 206 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,840 Carolyn: I think what you're saying, which I agree with, is 207 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,720 Carolyn: like the advisors, the bankers who are talking to these 208 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,480 Carolyn: people about you just inherited XYZ fortune. How do you 209 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,520 Carolyn: want to spend your money? That's probably where the conversation 210 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,440 Carolyn: should be had around do you want to invest? 211 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: You are someone who said we're going to go into 212 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: this space before other people. 213 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:42,199 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Yeah. 214 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,440 Carolyn: I mean there's a fair amount of women now that 215 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Carolyn: are NFL owners. There are some that are MBA, so 216 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,199 Carolyn: I think it's changing. I was just talking to a 217 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,560 Carolyn: potential investor in an expansion team and I said, you 218 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,800 Carolyn: know someone I like a lot of Admira a lot, 219 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,040 Carolyn: And I said, obviously, I personally would love to see 220 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,120 Carolyn: you in the league. I think you'd add a lot 221 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,839 Carolyn: of value. But you have to go in eyes wide open. 222 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,319 Carolyn: This is a long term investment. Our evaluation is tripled 223 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,200 Carolyn: I think since we've come into the league, so clearly 224 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,760 Carolyn: there is a return there, but it's a lot of time, 225 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,840 Carolyn: it's a lot of unglamorous work. This is not a 226 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,160 Carolyn: passive investment. If you're looking for a straight, simple return, 227 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,120 Carolyn: go buy a stock. 228 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,320 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: This is not that you've talked about that. 229 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: You're in partnership meetings like sponsorship meetings all the time, 230 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: and this is for women's sports broadly, and you're also 231 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: in them for the giants as well. So you see 232 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: that in like established men's sports brands, it's not the 233 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: same conversation necessarily in both. It's better than it used 234 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: to be in women's sports, but it's not necessarily the same. 235 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:35,280 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Yeah, it's interesting. 236 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,640 Carolyn: What's nice is I think there's a growing number of 237 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,960 Carolyn: brands that totally get it and are ready to lean 238 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Carolyn: in and they see the Roi CarMax our front of 239 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,200 Carolyn: Kit sponsor I would put high on that list of 240 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,960 Carolyn: took a bet on us when they became our front 241 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,600 Carolyn: of Kit sponsor in twenty twenty three and have continued 242 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,720 Carolyn: to see that bet payoff. They look at their return 243 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,640 Carolyn: on their marketing spend with Gotham versus any other male 244 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,920 Carolyn: sports team, and it's a better investment and they see that. 245 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,960 Carolyn: I think looking at like in investment in Gotham versus 246 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,880 Carolyn: an NFL team, for example, the eyeballs can't compare an 247 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,280 Carolyn: average NFL game is getting, you know, seventeen million, twenty 248 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,560 Carolyn: million people to watch like a very average game. We're 249 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,520 Carolyn: not obviously getting that. We just broke a million for 250 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,959 Carolyn: the championship. What we have is a much deeper engagement. 251 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,720 Carolyn: Our fans are much more engaged in the product, and 252 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,080 Carolyn: in particular, we see a much higher recall rate for 253 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,520 Carolyn: our sponsors. We see a much higher shift to brand 254 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,280 Carolyn: loyalty than women's sports. I think our consumers deeply understand 255 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,040 Carolyn: that our partners are key to our success, and so 256 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,320 Carolyn: they are much more likely to shift their spend and 257 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,120 Carolyn: spend with a partner than they typically do in men's sports. 258 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,040 Carolyn: Much more of a data story. It's more work on 259 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,400 Carolyn: our partnership team and for us to sell that. But 260 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,360 Carolyn: for the brands that get it, then they really get 261 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,439 Carolyn: it and they're really seeing the benefit. So there are 262 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,160 Carolyn: definitely still brands that we talk to that maybe they 263 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,760 Carolyn: don't want to do the like under the tent looking 264 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,280 Carolyn: to understand a difference between the different partners. They're just 265 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,520 Carolyn: kind of looking to put their name on something and 266 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,000 Carolyn: like logo slap and see where. 267 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,199 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: It goes, Like check a women's sports box exactly. 268 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,640 Carolyn: Certain brands don't want to talk to us at all, 269 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:07,920 Carolyn: and they're like, what's a women's soccer team? 270 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:08,600 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I have no interest. 271 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,240 Carolyn: Other brands I think are starting to feel a little 272 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,800 Carolyn: pressure to have a women's sports strategy, but it does 273 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,000 Carolyn: feel a little bit like a check the box. The 274 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,080 Carolyn: investment they're willing to make is so small and they 275 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,440 Carolyn: don't even really want to engage. It's like, we want 276 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,240 Carolyn: our partners to be there on game day and show 277 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Carolyn: up and do stuff with our players, and when you're 278 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,200 Carolyn: checking a box, you just don't end up wanting to 279 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:30,480 Carolyn: do that. 280 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: Coming up, we dig deeper into how you build a 281 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: team people recognize on the other side of the world 282 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,320 Emily Tisch Sussman: the night Gotham flew to Kansas City with every single 283 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: odds stacked against them, and why the locker room of 284 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,079 Emily Tisch Sussman: the future has an L shaped entrance. 285 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,720 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: We'll get there right after the break. 286 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: Coming back to this broader goal that you articulated from 287 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: the beginning, that Gotham will be the first global brand 288 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,680 Emily Tisch Sussman: in women's sports, and those individual athletes, female athletes, primarily 289 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: tennis that people recognize anywhere in the world where there's 290 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,959 Emily Tisch Sussman: no women's team and that will be Gotham. How has 291 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: that vision played out? So it really does start with 292 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: the product on the fields. If you think about all 293 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: those teams that have become global brands, and I would 294 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: probably put Kansas City Chiefs in that, you know, in 295 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: its recent era in the NFL, but the Dallas Cowboys 296 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,199 Emily Tisch Sussman: in their era been like the like. 297 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,720 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: People in England love the Dolphins because that's funny. 298 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: I know, it's so funny because that's when they started 299 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: airing the NFL, right when. 300 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,880 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: They were good. Yeah, exactly. 301 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,640 Carolyn: You see a lot of La Dodgers fans like hats 302 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,040 Carolyn: around when you're like walking around in other countries. So 303 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,520 Carolyn: if you think about these brands, which I have all 304 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,880 Carolyn: been men's to date, that have all become these big 305 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,720 Carolyn: global brands, it does start with winning. And winning is 306 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,760 Carolyn: when a casual fan comes in. It is then on 307 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,400 Carolyn: us as stewards are the bran to convert them into 308 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Carolyn: lifelong fans. And so we'll talk about that, but it 309 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,480 Carolyn: does start with winning. And so last year we won 310 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,000 Carolyn: the championship. Great job, congratulations. So the celebrating of the 311 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,680 Carolyn: championship was really important to that. 312 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,280 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: So we won championship. 313 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,439 Carolyn: It was critically important to me, to our whole team 314 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,440 Carolyn: that if we won, when we won, that we celebrated 315 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,840 Carolyn: this team like the champions that they are, and that 316 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,000 Carolyn: we took the exact playbook of how men's teams are 317 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,040 Carolyn: celebrated in New York. We went really deep, like screen 318 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,720 Carolyn: by screen of the YouTube video that we found of 319 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,400 Carolyn: the Giants parade to make sure down to what was 320 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,320 Carolyn: the seating at City Hall, to make sure you know, 321 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,400 Carolyn: we do we really followed it like as much as 322 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,960 Carolyn: we could, because again, if you're going to be this 323 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,080 Carolyn: first global women's brand, we have to take a page 324 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,160 Carolyn: from the men's book. They celebrate champions well and we 325 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,280 Carolyn: need to follow that same playbook. So first on the 326 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,520 Carolyn: business side was really being championship ready. Then how do 327 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Carolyn: we convert these moment in time fans into lifelong fans 328 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,240 Carolyn: of the team. And so we relaunched our season ticket 329 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,640 Carolyn: membership called the Blueprint. 330 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,600 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Now, so if you think about what. 331 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,920 Carolyn: Season ticket memberships look like in sports, it's always been 332 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,880 Carolyn: about just access to tickets because in a world before 333 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,880 Carolyn: a secondary ticket market, the only way to get like Giants' 334 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,920 Carolyn: tickets for a long time, the buildings sold out. There's 335 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,240 Carolyn: no stub hubver or feet Geek, and so the only 336 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,040 Carolyn: way to have tickets was to be a season ticket member. Now, 337 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,240 Carolyn: in a world of secondary ticket markets, the ticketing part 338 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,760 Carolyn: of it doesn't matter as much, and so it's much 339 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,240 Carolyn: more about joining a community. So our bet on creating 340 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,440 Carolyn: a Blueprint was to reimagine season ticket membership to really 341 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,680 Carolyn: be about joining a community. And so the blueprint is 342 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,440 Carolyn: only the first five thousand members. You get a fancy 343 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,720 Carolyn: jacket with your number on it. We will one day, 344 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,080 Carolyn: you know, memorialize it physically. You know, if you drop 345 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,680 Carolyn: out of being a season ticket member, we're not going 346 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,440 Carolyn: to replace you as that number. You will always be 347 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,040 Carolyn: one of the original five thousand people that got this 348 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,480 Carolyn: team to what hopefully one day will be a multi 349 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,400 Carolyn: billion dollar team. And so we've made decisions like that 350 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,440 Carolyn: that were really deliberate in taking that great product and 351 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,320 Carolyn: that great moment of winning the championship and translating that 352 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,760 Carolyn: into what we hope is lifelong fandom. 353 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,680 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: And by the way, the jacket is popping off. 354 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,360 Emily Tisch Sussman: I went to the Sirens game right after the Blueprint 355 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: Jackets were mailed on like Thursday. I went to the 356 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: Sirens game on Sunday and there were a lot of 357 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: people wearing blueprint jackets. I couldn't believe how quickly they 358 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: had turned it around and how proud they were to 359 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: be wearing them, which I also think points to how 360 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: a fan of women's sports can be different than a 361 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: fan of men's sports. 362 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:28,400 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Yeah, it's interesting. 363 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,880 Carolyn: So we have a bunch of different types of target 364 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,840 Carolyn: audiences in our fans. Some are kind of core soccer loyalists, 365 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,680 Carolyn: love the sport of soccer and this is a great product. 366 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,840 Carolyn: They love that there is a group, as you said, 367 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,960 Carolyn: of kind of women's sports fans, and they really believe 368 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,200 Carolyn: in kind of the broader role they are playing in 369 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,760 Carolyn: lifting women's sports up. They love the vibe, they think 370 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,080 Carolyn: it's really fun. They're going to wear that jacket proudly. 371 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,160 Carolyn: They are proud supporters. It's actually kind of a page 372 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,560 Carolyn: out of our Peloton book is early on, when you 373 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,040 Carolyn: did your hundredth ride, you got this T shirt. 374 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:57,760 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: You couldn't buy it. 375 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,920 Carolyn: The only way you could get this T shirt was 376 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,440 Carolyn: is if you did one hundred rides. And our head 377 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,359 Carolyn: of I think member experience was this title at the 378 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,160 Carolyn: time built out a model of like if we got 379 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,760 Carolyn: really big, which was the hope, how expensive it was 380 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,919 Carolyn: going to be free. It's like free T shirts? How 381 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,280 Carolyn: could you give away so many free T shirts? But John, 382 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,960 Carolyn: our founder, thought this was the worst advice he'd ever gotten. 383 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,959 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: He's like, what are you talking about? Like this is gold. 384 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,520 Carolyn: The fact that somebody is so proud to be a 385 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,479 Carolyn: part of your community that they're going to wear this 386 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,560 Carolyn: T shirt dropping their kids at school, walking down the street, 387 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,760 Carolyn: That is exactly what we want to be doing. And 388 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,280 Carolyn: so the Blueprint jacket was kind of that same idea. 389 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,720 Carolyn: It was super expensive, and we did look at a 390 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,280 Carolyn: model of how expensive five thousand of those would be. 391 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,800 Carolyn: But the bet was that people are going to be 392 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,960 Carolyn: so proud to be a part of Gotham that they're 393 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,320 Carolyn: going to go to a Sirens game, They're going to 394 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,960 Carolyn: a Liberty game, They're going to walk down the street 395 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,440 Carolyn: wearing that jacket and tell all of their friends about 396 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,040 Carolyn: how proud they are to be a part of Gotham. 397 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: And it's definitely working, Like I feel like I now 398 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: get daily texts from people of like a random person 399 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:54,919 Emily Tisch Sussman: they took a picture of on the street like a 400 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: gothamat wearing a Gotham sweatshirt. 401 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,399 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I had lunch today at the American Girls Store, not 402 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,719 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: too Bragh. I was there. 403 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: One of the women who works there saw my Gotham 404 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,639 Emily Tisch Sussman: necklace and she immediately was like, olhways that the women's 405 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:06,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: soccer team. 406 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,879 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Wow. Cool? And I was like, have you been to 407 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,080 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: a game yet? And she's like no. 408 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,679 Emily Tisch Sussman: I go to a lot of Liberty games and my 409 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: friends are all Liberty season ticket holders and there was 410 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: a ticket bundle with Gotham and so my friends got 411 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: tickets to Gotham and I can't wait to go. 412 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,879 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I love that. Yes, I've been waiting to tell you 413 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,760 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: this the whole time you've been here. But tell the story. 414 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:24,879 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I'm thrilled, you know. 415 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,480 Carolyn: Sometimes I feel like last year we're just all about testing, 416 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,239 Carolyn: tried a million different things to see what's stuck. And 417 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,760 Carolyn: so obviously we're still kind of collecting the data and 418 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,200 Carolyn: some things that was clear we were better than others, 419 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,560 Carolyn: but it's always helpful to hear the anecdote of like, oh, yeah, 420 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:38,280 Carolyn: it worked great. 421 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: So that also is part of being in New York 422 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,320 Emily Tisch Sussman: and part of building the brain is like leading into 423 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,439 Emily Tisch Sussman: culture in New York, the general fans of women's sports 424 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: like a lot of it is like millennial moms. It's 425 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: like people like us who were just looking for a 426 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,520 Emily Tisch Sussman: great irl, no screen experience, things that feel safe and 427 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: positive to experience with their kids. But beyond people who 428 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,919 Emily Tisch Sussman: are looking first, there's a big push this year to 429 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: move into broader culture, particularly grounded in New York schleppin 430 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: players all over the city. How is this part of 431 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: the strategy. I feel like it's important to articulate. 432 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,560 Carolyn: To me, this is critical to our success to be 433 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,920 Carolyn: able to break through nationally and then globally. To break through, 434 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,679 Carolyn: you have to be a part of culture. So I 435 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,879 Carolyn: was actually just interviewing someone and we were talking about 436 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,119 Carolyn: marketers that can steal share from other brands. So like 437 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,359 Carolyn: a Pepsi coke again, you know, like you're a soda drinker. 438 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,920 Carolyn: You're gonna drink a soda? Are you gonna drink a 439 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,800 Carolyn: Pepsi or a coke? Do you clar for godtect people 440 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,200 Carolyn: who know that you did used to work at Pepsi, 441 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:32,960 Carolyn: Yes I did. I just like haven't talked with Pepsi 442 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,439 Carolyn: in fifteen years, but here we are talking about today. 443 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:35,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I did. 444 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,080 Carolyn: But anyway, if you're like looking for a soda, you're 445 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,320 Carolyn: going to drink a pepsi or a coke or other 446 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,440 Carolyn: marketers have a I think, more exciting challenge of audience creation. 447 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,040 Carolyn: And that was our job at Peloton. No one was 448 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,640 Carolyn: waking up saying like, I wonder what at home spin 449 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,200 Carolyn: bike I should buy. We had to go create the audience. 450 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,760 Carolyn: That is our job at Gotham, and our job at 451 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,680 Carolyn: the end of your Celle I think is to go 452 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,480 Carolyn: create the audience. People aren't waking up saying which women's 453 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,359 Carolyn: soccer teams should I be a fan of? Sitting here 454 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:01,919 Carolyn: in New York, they're saying, like, what should I do 455 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,560 Carolyn: for this weekend? And we need to get Gotham like 456 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,159 Carolyn: higher on that list and then get them to a 457 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,280 Carolyn: game or to watch on TV. Breaking into culture in 458 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,359 Carolyn: other parts of New York and other parts of society 459 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,560 Carolyn: is very high to me on that list, because that 460 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,000 Carolyn: is how we're going to get other audiences to be 461 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,800 Carolyn: aware and then eventually to come into our games. So 462 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,280 Carolyn: you've done, obviously a great job of getting us into 463 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,399 Carolyn: the fashion where like all of New York culture, we 464 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,480 Carolyn: have the World's Cup coming this summer, and so that 465 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,480 Carolyn: is a massive opportunity for us to break into culture. 466 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,080 Carolyn: We're going to have the global epicenter of soccer happening 467 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,000 Carolyn: in our backyard. 468 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:38,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: So we've been. 469 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,520 Carolyn: Very deliberate and how we're going to break into that. 470 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,560 Carolyn: The Men's World Cup, Yes, Men's World Cup, Yeah, so 471 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,960 Carolyn: it is I mean New York especially, we're hosting eight games, 472 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,639 Carolyn: including the final. When you're an upstart brand, like we 473 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,360 Carolyn: couldn't go create our own FanFest during the World's Cup. 474 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,000 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: That's you know, cost millions of dollars. 475 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,600 Carolyn: But we've been working really closely with the host committee 476 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,920 Carolyn: and the sponsor brands to say, ohko, you're going to 477 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,720 Carolyn: have this great watch party in Central Park and Queen's. 478 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,639 Carolyn: Can Gotham show up and be a part of that? 479 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,840 Carolyn: Can we get our players into things? So we're going 480 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,560 Carolyn: to be kind of pushing in wherever we can. From 481 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,240 Carolyn: an end of your Celle perspective, the league will stop 482 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,359 Carolyn: playing for June because there's not enough stadium availability, and 483 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,720 Carolyn: then in July the league will start again, so we 484 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,440 Carolyn: won't have access to our own stadium where we normally play. 485 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,440 Carolyn: And the league came to us and as we're creating schedule, 486 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,120 Carolyn: I assume you want to be away for July because 487 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,840 Carolyn: you're not going to have your stadium. And we got 488 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,560 Carolyn: together as a team and said, well, yes, that is 489 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,520 Carolyn: what makes sense on paper. But what if we actually 490 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,920 Carolyn: leaned in and said, no, everyone's going to be in 491 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,199 Carolyn: New York for soccer, Let's play a game in New 492 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,879 Carolyn: York during that week kind of leading up to the 493 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,000 Carolyn: World Cup. Let's be creative, let's play somewhere else. So 494 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,440 Carolyn: we have made the decision to play the Wednesday before 495 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,600 Carolyn: the World Cup. 496 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,920 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Final at City Field. 497 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,360 Carolyn: First time Gotham will have ever played in a baseball stadium, 498 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,960 Carolyn: first time we've ever played at this scale in New 499 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:57,560 Carolyn: York City. 500 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:58,800 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: This will be right where the. 501 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,600 Carolyn: Mets play, right where the tennis stadium is. Couldn't be 502 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,120 Carolyn: easier to access. It opens up Long Island, it opens 503 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,080 Carolyn: up Westchester, all of New York. So we're super excited. 504 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,160 Carolyn: And again there's going to be fans to the point 505 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,960 Carolyn: of like building a global brand, fans of soccer from 506 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,400 Carolyn: all over the world, and we are inserting ourselves into 507 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,200 Carolyn: that and hoping that people will add a Gotham game 508 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,720 Carolyn: to their soccer tour. 509 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,360 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: While they're in New York. 510 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,119 Emily Tisch Sussman: With the Men's FIFA World Cup, bringing the summer of 511 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: soccer to the US. Gotham FC will be participating in 512 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,439 Emily Tisch Sussman: a new creative way, a women's soccer game at City Field. 513 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: Gotham will face the Washington Spirit in a rematch of 514 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: the twenty twenty five NWSL Championship on July fifteenth, and 515 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: it's going to set the record for the largest women's 516 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: sporting event in New York City history. 517 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: So now we're going to go back to the championship. 518 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,800 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: We technically closed. 519 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: The deal before the twenty twenty three championship when Gotham won, 520 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: so we were technically the owners of twenty train three 521 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,520 Emily Tisch Sussman: but had been in the room for like four minutes. 522 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,359 Emily Tisch Sussman: And then in twenty twenty four we made it to 523 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: the semifinals, lost and penalty kicks. Twenty twenty five this 524 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: past year. This is the business team that you built. 525 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,399 Emily Tisch Sussman: This is the soccer team that you built. This is 526 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: the team that you managed. I'm going to try talking 527 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: about this. You won. 528 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,320 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Oh, thank you one that I like this. You're crying 529 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,000 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: every time I think You're like, I know, like this 530 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,639 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: is your team. How does that feel? Gosh? 531 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,000 Carolyn: I feel like now I have to take myself mentally 532 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,480 Carolyn: back there, it does feel different than twenty twenty three. 533 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,159 Carolyn: I feel like my brain thinks about the championship in 534 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:25,919 Carolyn: two different ways. 535 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: On the one hand, to. 536 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,520 Carolyn: Your point about losing penalty cakes, you could argue, we 537 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,399 Carolyn: have a really good team. I mean, we won in 538 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,840 Carolyn: twenty twenty three, we lost some penalty kicks in twenty 539 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,640 Carolyn: twenty four, and then we won in twenty twenty five. 540 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,399 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Like some people would call that a dynasty. I think 541 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:38,879 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: you got to win. 542 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,480 Carolyn: Another to colour said she did the great superd Yeah, yeah, 543 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,439 Carolyn: I'll go with her on that. So on the one end, 544 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,880 Carolyn: you could say this team that was built before our time, 545 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,439 Carolyn: credit our coach Juan Carlos, our general manager a l 546 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,639 Carolyn: Abrabush West. They have built an incredible team, incredible roster, 547 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,720 Carolyn: and we're kind of in our dynasty era and we 548 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,080 Carolyn: need to capitalize on that. On the other hand, last 549 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,720 Carolyn: year was really challenging and a lot of way we 550 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,280 Carolyn: had to make a lot of really difficult roster decisions 551 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,280 Carolyn: quickly at the beginning of twenty twenty five, every time 552 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,280 Carolyn: we announced that a player was leaving. Our fans are 553 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,480 Carolyn: really like loyal fans that really understand the team. 554 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Were you know, what is y L doing? Why is 555 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,119 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: she the general manager? This is terrible. She should be fired. 556 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,560 Carolyn: We had to band together and put our head down 557 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,760 Carolyn: and say, like, this might look like a bad idea 558 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,159 Carolyn: in the outside, but we know this is the right 559 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,840 Carolyn: thing for our team. I give you L a lot 560 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,520 Carolyn: of credit for being able to put our head down 561 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,080 Carolyn: and do what was right for the team then, and 562 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,240 Carolyn: from my perspective, coming off of the twenty twenty four loss, 563 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,520 Carolyn: I hadn't really deliberately set what our culture should be, 564 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,800 Carolyn: and it showed and we said we want to be 565 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,399 Carolyn: the first global women's soccer brand. Like how that showed 566 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,959 Carolyn: up in the day to day really wasn't clear. And 567 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,680 Carolyn: so in the off season from twenty four to twenty five, 568 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,919 Carolyn: we very deliberately set out what our mission was, what 569 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,320 Carolyn: our vision was, and most importantly, what our values were, 570 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,119 Carolyn: and brought that to the team and our player leadership 571 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,760 Carolyn: Council was a part of it. It was my vision, 572 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,920 Carolyn: but it was very much a collaborative effort. We quite 573 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,240 Carolyn: literally spray painted them on the wall, made a lot 574 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,720 Carolyn: of difficult decisions, set what our culture was, and then 575 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,879 Carolyn: our performance on the field was bumpy all year and 576 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,119 Carolyn: there was really a narrative around us of who is 577 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,920 Carolyn: this team? Do we underperform? It looks like we have 578 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,760 Carolyn: a lot of pieces, but it doesn't seem like it's 579 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,840 Carolyn: all clicking together. What's the problem. And so going into 580 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,320 Carolyn: the playoffs, at one point we were as high as 581 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,400 Carolyn: ranked fourth, which from a business perspective, having a home 582 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,880 Carolyn: playoff game is very different than having an away playoff game. 583 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,320 Carolyn: There's no revenue sharing in the league, so when you 584 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,399 Carolyn: have a home playoff game, you can make money. 585 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,680 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: When you have an away playoff game, you lose money. 586 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,000 Carolyn: Just to put it simply, we were planning for a 587 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,280 Carolyn: home playoff game, ready with our list to go out 588 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,720 Carolyn: in our marketing, and then we lost in North Carolina 589 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,439 Carolyn: the week before. We drop all the way down to 590 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,840 Carolyn: eighth place, and it meant that we had to go 591 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,480 Carolyn: face Kansas City current the number one team in the league, 592 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,920 Carolyn: and not just a number one team in the league, 593 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:51,480 Carolyn: the number. 594 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,680 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: One team that the league had ever had. 595 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,119 Carolyn: The top of the table to the bottom of the 596 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,600 Carolyn: table is usually really tight. 597 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Not this year. 598 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,840 Carolyn: Kansas City run away winning the shield, which is like 599 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,000 Carolyn: the regular season, most number of goals scored, least number 600 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,320 Carolyn: of goals allowed, any stat they broke it, and Gotham 601 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,760 Carolyn: had just come off the worst game we've ever played. 602 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,360 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: And Kansas City had never lost at home. 603 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,720 Carolyn: Kis City had never lost at home since yet like 604 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,000 Carolyn: eighteen months or something like that. Gossam had never beaten 605 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,040 Carolyn: Kansas City. I mean, it was like every single odds 606 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,040 Carolyn: stacked against us. My friend I get my eyebrows done 607 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,440 Carolyn: at her house sometimes, and I was sitting there getting 608 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,280 Carolyn: my eyebrows down with her the Friday before the game, 609 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:25,960 Carolyn: and I was like, oh. 610 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: My god, we to go to Kansas City. 611 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,040 Carolyn: And I was like, oh, I think we have to 612 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,000 Carolyn: charter a plane because the government shut down. 613 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,720 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Can we afford this? 614 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,000 Carolyn: I'm debating with my lovely friend and I said, I 615 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,480 Carolyn: was like, Okay, if we lose, I'm gonna be really 616 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,160 Carolyn: annoyed that we charted this plane. But if we win, 617 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,280 Carolyn: I think we're gonna win the championship. And obviously, you know, 618 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,800 Carolyn: we went in kidsity we win the whole thing. But 619 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,640 Carolyn: she did texting and she's like, thank god you came 620 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,560 Carolyn: for eyebrows. Thank god you chartered that plane because it 621 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,600 Carolyn: really helped. They're also the only team that has their 622 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,040 Carolyn: own stadium, and so most games you go to, including 623 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,040 Carolyn: our games. We try to make it feel like a 624 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,280 Carolyn: home game, but it still feels like we're a tenant 625 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,280 Carolyn: in someone else's stadium. Kansas City, and I give one 626 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,240 Carolyn: hundred per cent credit to the Longs, the owners there, 627 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,840 Carolyn: who really had the vision of how much to invest 628 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,359 Carolyn: in their women's team. They built this amazing stadium. I 629 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,399 Carolyn: mean the entire town of Kansas City. It feels like 630 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,160 Carolyn: you're in the current hometown. 631 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,119 Emily Tisch Sussman: The whole neighborhood has like sides of the buildings with 632 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,439 Emily Tisch Sussman: the players faces on it. 633 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,320 Archival: Right. It is like home field advantage like I've never 634 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,000 Archival: seen in this league before. And it's also freezing cold, 635 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,680 Archival: which I think we're a little bit used to, but 636 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,120 Archival: they're really used to. So windy, the stadiums sold out. 637 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,600 Archival: Their fans are on their feet screaming, 638 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,320 Emily Tisch Sussman: the whole Ted Lasso cast is there 639 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Oh right, the whole ted last cast is there everywhere? 640 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:35,159 Emily Tisch Sussman: Right. 641 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320 Carolyn: They're also filming the end of re Cell documentary and 642 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,879 Carolyn: they're featuring Kansas City. They're not featuring Gotham, so they 643 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,200 Carolyn: have no interest in showing us, And I think it 644 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,159 Carolyn: gave us the freedom to a prove the world wrong 645 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,639 Carolyn: that they'd gotten the story wrong about Gotham, and obviously 646 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,200 Carolyn: Jaden Shaw had the famous quote of underdogs my ass. 647 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,360 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: After, which is perfect. 648 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,639 Carolyn: But I think it gave us as a team the 649 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,800 Carolyn: freedom to just be who we are, because if we 650 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,240 Carolyn: had lost, no one would have bet a night Side 651 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,720 Carolyn: World would have said, obviously Kansas City just had some 652 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,960 Carolyn: steps on their way to go win the championship, and 653 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,919 Carolyn: we were just one of the steps. I felt like 654 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,159 Carolyn: the night before, you know, in our team meeting, we 655 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,760 Carolyn: all had this feeling of we could go lose and 656 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,639 Carolyn: everyone would say, yeah, got them at a kind of 657 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,240 Carolyn: mediocre season, or we could really band together and show 658 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,280 Carolyn: everyone the best version of ourselves and we know that 659 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,200 Carolyn: the best version of ourselves can beat anyone. 660 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: And then we did welcome everyone to the NWSL Championship. 661 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,600 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: It's the number two seed Washington Spirit getting ready to 662 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,240 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: take on number eight seed. 663 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:40,040 Archival: Gotham FC, Nothing got them in the NWSL Championship. 664 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,600 Archival: Bing up the confetti from what was a grand party 665 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,480 Archival: down Broadway and on the steps of City Hall to 666 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,320 Archival: celebrate the twenty twenty five NWSL champions, Gotham FC. 667 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,760 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: We stand here as twenty twenty five NWSL champions. 668 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,506 Emily Tisch Sussman: So we won now so now it's all great, right? 669 00:29:03,506 --> 00:29:06,680 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: So. Definitely, for twenty four hours it felt amazing. City 670 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,120 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Hall was amazing. This is a very privileged position to 671 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: be in, to be winning, and we would much rather 672 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,320 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: be winning than not winning. So let me just be 673 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,200 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: very clear about that. We were very quick to add 674 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,280 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: that second star to our crest. But in soccer, soccer 675 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: is a global game, and so with success comes entry 676 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: into all these other global tournaments. And again to the 677 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,640 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: conversation of we want to be a global brand, like 678 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,720 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: this is again a privilege. 679 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,600 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: This is where we want to be. 680 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,680 Carolyn: We want to be in all these tournaments, but it 681 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,200 Carolyn: is definitely a strain on our players and a strain 682 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,479 Carolyn: on our staff. So because we won the CONCACAF tournament 683 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,960 Carolyn: last year, the first ever CONCACAF tournament, we represented the 684 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,960 Carolyn: CONCACAF region which is like the America, Central and North 685 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,160 Carolyn: America in FIFA's first ever what they called the Women's 686 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,640 Carolyn: Champions Cup basically at Club World Cup, and so it 687 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,440 Carolyn: was best teams from around the world, all competing to 688 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,520 Carolyn: be the best team in the world. 689 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,440 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Again, a privilege. We wanted to be there. We earned 690 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,240 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: our right to be the ones representing North and Central America, 691 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,280 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: but it was during our off season. We had a 692 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,800 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: really short off season, especially because we won the championship, 693 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,280 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: so it's even shorter our players, our staff really didn't 694 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,240 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: get to recharge in the same way that they typically would. 695 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,080 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: For those of us that are on the planning end 696 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,000 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: of it, we had no off season because we're planning 697 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: for the preseason to be able to go into that 698 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: and so we'll be in the CONCACAFT Tournament again this year. Again, 699 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: these are all tournaments we want to be in. We 700 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,800 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: very much believe we should be in. If you want 701 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,400 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: to be able to global brand, which we do, you 702 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,320 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: have to be in these tournaments. I think we have 703 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,680 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: something like fourteen extra games compared to everyone else, and 704 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,080 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: that's a lot, or twelve maybe, So we think a 705 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,560 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: lot about the mental health of our staff, our players, 706 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,120 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: assuming that there are going to be levels of burnout 707 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: that we just have never seen. No team in the 708 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,240 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: end of our sale has played as many games as 709 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,160 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: we will play this year. 710 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: Oh that's crazy. 711 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,719 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Yeah, that's I just said that for the first time 712 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,800 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: out loud. But I think it's true because we were 713 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,920 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: in the feed for tournament. We are in the CONCA 714 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: CALFF champion like semi finals and hopefully championship from twenty 715 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,720 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: twenty five, and then we're also in next year's CONCACAFT 716 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: tournament in the fall since we won last year's and 717 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: the Resale championship, so we are in three different tournaments 718 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,000 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: on the same time as we're playing our regular season. 719 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,560 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: And we have so many international players that play for 720 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,880 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: their country and we're in a year before the World Cup. 721 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,200 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: They're all trying to compete for spots on their national 722 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: team rosters, so it's not like in the off breaks 723 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,680 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: that they're getting a break. They're now working as hard 724 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,240 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: as they've ever worked trying to get on the World 725 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,880 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Cup roster. So it is a lot. Again, it's a 726 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,600 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: good problem to have. It's where we want to be, 727 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,000 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: but it comes with challenges. 728 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,920 Emily Tisch Sussman: Women's sports are on the rise and nobody is expecting 729 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: the hype to slow down anytime soon, but there are 730 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,920 Emily Tisch Sussman: still leaps and bounds that need to be made while 731 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: the world catches up. Resources like facilities are crucial for 732 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,360 Emily Tisch Sussman: women's sports teams to thrive, which is why Gotham FC 733 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: just announced that we're building our very own new practice facility. 734 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: Will dive into why that's so important right after the 735 00:31:50,040 --> 00:32:07,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: break be right back. There has been this arms race 736 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: for facilities, which was a little unexpected when we walked 737 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: into this three years ago and very exciting we now 738 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: have the opportunity to do it ourselves. 739 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,080 Carolyn: We're super excited about this long overdue. I take our 740 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,760 Carolyn: player feedback very seriously. When we came into twenty twenty three, 741 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,400 Carolyn: I think there was not a great relationship between ownership 742 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,040 Carolyn: and players. I think they've been promised things over and 743 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,000 Carolyn: over that didn't come through, including not having a celebration 744 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,640 Carolyn: when they won in twenty twenty three. So one of 745 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,560 Carolyn: the first things I did when we came in as 746 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,320 Carolyn: new owners was I asked l R. General Manager for 747 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,000 Carolyn: the phone number of each of our players and the team, 748 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,920 Carolyn: even the ones that we're leaving, and I called every 749 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,200 Carolyn: single one personally and said, I'm Carolyn, I'm the new owner. 750 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,680 Carolyn: We're going to do things differently. Here's my cell phone number. 751 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,640 Carolyn: We can only be as good as the feedback we get. 752 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,880 Carolyn: Call me text me anytime if you have any feedback. 753 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,840 Carolyn: I think Yell was horrified that she was like, You're 754 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,040 Carolyn: going to call all of them like I am. And 755 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,040 Carolyn: so now fast forward to today. I have a player 756 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,560 Carolyn: Leadership Council. Any player knows that they can call me, 757 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,600 Carolyn: and they do at any time with any feedback. But 758 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,320 Carolyn: I have a very deliberate relationship with the player Leaderseral Council, 759 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,520 Carolyn: basically like the captains who bring feedback to meet. So 760 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,720 Carolyn: facilities has always been a sore spot with our staff 761 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,320 Carolyn: and with our players. So actually back to the culture 762 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,440 Carolyn: point before, we had one hundred percent of our players 763 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,000 Carolyn: coming out of twenty twenty five recommended Gotham to others. Wow, 764 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,120 Carolyn: never seen a statistic like that before. Again, coming out 765 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,000 Carolyn: of a very challenging twenty twenty four, it was really unbelievable. 766 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,600 Carolyn: One hundred percent of players that took the service said 767 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,040 Carolyn: that they would recommend Gotham 768 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: And we've had very few players leave, but the ones 769 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: that did are very sad to go. 770 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,400 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Yes, yeah, obviously, you know that's the difficulty of sport 771 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,200 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: is sometimes you have to make a decision that's right 772 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,120 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: for you personally. It feels like a funeral every time 773 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:42,391 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: they leave 774 00:33:42,391 --> 00:33:42,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: every time 775 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,280 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Tears, and you know, we just very sad. Our players 776 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,840 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: are now super happy. Obviously we can continue to get better, 777 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,680 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: but we've really invested in a player experience always building, 778 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,360 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: never finished, always building, and actually always building, never finished. 779 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,479 Emily Tisch Sussman: So we're literally building, 780 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,760 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: but literally building. Yes, the facilities was the one area 781 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,640 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: that we hear consistently from our players that needs to 782 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: get better and from our staff. We're going to continue 783 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: to raise the bar and we're not going to raise 784 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,759 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: the bar across everything at any moment. You know, we 785 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,680 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: have to go kind of one by one. But when 786 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,880 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: we raise the bar, we are never going to go 787 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,600 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: back to what it was before. You know, medical used 788 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,359 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: to be a really negative spot for us. We ended 789 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,080 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: up hiring great medical director. Anytime in the future, there 790 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,719 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: might be dips, but we will never go back to 791 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,759 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: what it looked like before. And so facilities again, we 792 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,560 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: will never go back to what it looks like. So 793 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,319 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I've been trying to kind of take pictures. Along the way. 794 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,640 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: When the rookie class comes in the year after our 795 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,000 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: facility is done and they're like, oh, yeah, cool, you 796 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,279 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: have like your own four field and you just drive 797 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,719 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: in and park and showers when you want them, Like, 798 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,799 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I just want them all to remember what it used 799 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: to look like. So when I go to our offices 800 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,400 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: now there's no privacy, there's nowhere to have a conversation. 801 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,839 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: So yeah, Ella and I will often meet in her car, 802 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,640 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: the only place of a private conversation, and that's the 803 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,760 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: only private place. I'm like, let's just take a picture 804 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: of this and remember this. When we have our beautiful office, 805 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,479 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: you will know where we came from to the point 806 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,320 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: of always been never finish. It is always going to 807 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,759 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: feel like there is more work to be done. You know, 808 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,560 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I said our players are happy today, they might not 809 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,279 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: be happy tomorrow. There will always be things that can 810 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,719 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: be improving. That's part of being at a growth team. 811 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,719 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I think that's what's exciting about it. But it's very 812 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,000 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: important to me that we are always continuing to raise 813 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,840 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: the bar and we will never go back to what 814 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: it looks like before. So this is something we've been 815 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: looking at since we came in. It was clear to 816 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,719 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: us really quickly, you know, once we became owners that 817 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,719 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: the facility was not good enough. Even before there was 818 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,200 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: an arms race of facilities. These are professional athletes that 819 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,160 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: need to be treated as such and this is not it. 820 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,800 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: So what we currently have is we rent the academy 821 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,560 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: field from Red Bulls, so it's normally used for their academy, 822 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,640 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: meaning like their young boys to see it like their 823 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: teenagers that play for them, and then we come in 824 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: and rent it. We don't have our own locker room there, 825 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: we don't. Have meeting space there, and so then we 826 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,880 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: took over this warehouse down the street, and that's where 827 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,959 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: our locker rooms are, that's where our gym is, where 828 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,920 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: the team lifts, that's where our meetings are, that's where 829 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: our equipment is. And so the players and staff have 830 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: to just drive back and forth between the two and 831 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,640 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: it's just this logistical headache and just not a real 832 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,920 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: experience of a professional athlete. So we have decided to 833 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,719 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: take over the Red Bulls facility. They're moving somewhere else 834 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: and so we will have their entire facility now, which 835 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,120 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: is massive, four field as I said before, huge indoor space. 836 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,400 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: We're still in the design phase, but an incredible upgrade 837 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: and having our own facility that we can control when 838 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: we practice, we can control when we have team meetings, 839 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,319 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: the privacy of going in the gym and it just 840 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,279 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: being ours will all feel completely different than where we 841 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,799 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: were before. And just to be really thoughtful, like the 842 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,160 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: difference between building for women's team and our men's team, 843 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,359 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: you know, the fact that like the locker rooms will 844 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,000 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: have an L shaped entrance, so it's not like totally 845 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,399 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: open to it. When we were at the championship game 846 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,719 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: in San Jose, we went the day before when the 847 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: players were practicing there and I was like, I just 848 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:51,919 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: want to see the locker room. 849 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,799 Emily Tisch Sussman: Going into the locker room. Where our players were preparing 850 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,799 Emily Tisch Sussman: for the championship game, One, there were just a ton 851 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: of urinals. I was like, someone some flowers and plays. 852 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: And two the players had to walk by a gigantic 853 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: wall of stinky shoes and it's like, who stinky shoes 854 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,319 Emily Tisch Sussman: are these? And they said, oh, it's the academy the 855 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: teenagers of the men's team for the champion 856 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:15,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: exactly, 857 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: And. Said are they going to be here tomorrow? And 858 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: they are, 859 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:18,879 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Yes, they were, 860 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: And the answer was they were, like they left up 861 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,839 Emily Tisch Sussman: the stinky teenage boys shoes for the championship. 862 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Yeah. It's really hard not to feel like an unwanted 863 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,240 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: tenant in every stadium we play, and even when we're wanted, 864 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,800 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: it's just your tenant. And so having our own space, 865 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,279 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: to your point that will be for women, even 866 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,279 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: just being thoughtful around where is the coach's locker room 867 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,160 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: versus the player's locker room. How much privacy do we 868 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: want versus how much do we want? A community space? 869 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,280 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Where is the mother's room, where it's like the social 870 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: content room. A lot of our players do things kind 871 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,799 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: of on the outside to help build the brands. How 872 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,759 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: do we support them in that so it will just 873 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: be so deliberately for women, which will feel so different. 874 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,320 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I was talking to Tyrna Davidson, one of our captains 875 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,600 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: oh at the Glorious Steinem and she was saying, you know, 876 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,360 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: it's super important to her is that it's clearly designed 877 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: for women. And she used just a silly example of 878 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,200 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: when they go into like a men's locker room, the 879 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: bathrooms usually don't have garbages, and in any women's bathroom, 880 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,880 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: obviously you would put a garbage can there, and it 881 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,680 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: just doesn't occur to them. From details like that all 882 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,759 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: the way through to what beautiful branding can we put 883 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: on the outside, it will hopefully feel very deliberately designed 884 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,400 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: for women. And for Gotham. 885 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,839 Emily Tisch Sussman: When we played in an international tournament CONCACAF last year 886 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: at CONCA CAF in Monterey, Mexico, I remember them telling 887 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: us that the players can't like take a bathroom break 888 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,680 Emily Tisch Sussman: during so they have to just like go before and 889 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: like go at halftime, and they didn't have enough bathrooms 890 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: for them all to go during halftime and make it. 891 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,240 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Oh, because they're like only used to having urinels, I guess? 892 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,586 Emily Tisch Sussman: yeah, right. It was it a thirty six person roster. 893 00:38:46,586 --> 00:38:47,370 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Yeah, that's crazy 894 00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:48,759 Emily Tisch Sussman: And it was like, I don't know how they did it, 895 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: like prioritized by urgency. That's a problem. 896 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,560 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Totally. Yes, our Player Leadership Council will be a part 897 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,600 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: of the process, our key members of our staff will 898 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,040 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: be part of it. So we're going to be very 899 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,759 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: no stone unturned, deliberate in hearing all like the pain 900 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,319 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: points people have had and making sure to bring those through, 901 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,439 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: and also being really eyes wide open that what good 902 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,280 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: looks like today in twenty twenty six is probably different 903 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: than what good looks like in twenty eight, in thirty 904 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,359 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: and beyond that. So we also want to leave some flexibility, 905 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,759 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Like we don't want to build this perfect state of 906 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,360 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: the art facility today that will never need to be evolved. 907 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,759 Carolyn: We want it to be very flexible because the game 908 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,480 Carolyn: is growing so quickly, evolving so quickly that we want 909 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,560 Carolyn: to be able to be flexible and like grow into 910 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,200 Carolyn: it as well. 911 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,239 Emily Tisch Sussman: You've been advising our family and representing our family and 912 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: the Giants for years longer than we've been involved in Gotham. 913 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,319 Emily Tisch Sussman: So what have you learned that you can take from 914 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: the Giants, Either things that we can like directly apply. 915 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,840 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Or the opposite. 916 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,960 Carolyn: I think the biggest thing that sticks out to me 917 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,960 Carolyn: about the Giants or any NFL team is there's this 918 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,880 Carolyn: incredible history the Giants to celebrate their one hundred anniversary 919 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,839 Carolyn: last year. Fandom is passed down through the generation. I 920 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,520 Carolyn: mean people, you know, I don't tell you this, like 921 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,960 Carolyn: we'll stop you on the street if you're wearing a 922 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,160 Carolyn: Giant shirt, Like, oh, my grandfather a season ticket member, 923 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,080 Carolyn: and then my dad became a season. 924 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,720 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Ticket member, and now I'm a season ticket member. 925 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,839 Carolyn: And so from a fan engagement perspective, you really have 926 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,279 Carolyn: to honor the tradition of that. But also, I think 927 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,439 Carolyn: for a long time you didn't really have to think 928 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,839 Carolyn: that much about like what I would call fan acquisition 929 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,919 Carolyn: because fandom was intergenerational, like it came from the top 930 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,960 Carolyn: and was passed down. For Gotham, we had the opposite 931 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,560 Carolyn: of that, where there are no fans being passed down. 932 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,600 Carolyn: It is all new, so nothing's being handed to us 933 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,040 Carolyn: from Gotham. Soccer is the number one sport being played 934 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,840 Carolyn: at the grassroots level, at the rec level, for children, 935 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,000 Carolyn: at youth level. So all these kids are going out 936 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,319 Carolyn: on the weekends playing soccer, their parents are standing there 937 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,680 Carolyn: on the sidelines, and then they're coming home and no 938 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,160 Carolyn: one's actually thought about what team they should root for. 939 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,440 Carolyn: One of the things that I think we've had to 940 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,000 Carolyn: do differently is be able to bring that fandom from 941 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,480 Carolyn: the ground up and be able to then say, like, 942 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,640 Carolyn: how do you actually get the youth participants to convince 943 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,640 Carolyn: their parents to become fans, and that actually, I think 944 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,400 Carolyn: it's some we've been able to bring to the Giants 945 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,680 Carolyn: in their flag strategy. I'm obsessed with black football and 946 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,560 Carolyn: I think it's like the key to the NFL's future. 947 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,440 Carolyn: So I think flag has always been thought of in 948 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,160 Carolyn: the NFL and at the Giants as a community asset. 949 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,040 Carolyn: This is how we can get people playing football. Yes, 950 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,160 Carolyn: and it should also be a marketing asset, particularly for 951 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,000 Carolyn: young girls. This is a way and in a lot 952 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,239 Carolyn: of communities people are not playing tackle at the same race. 953 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,480 Carolyn: The number one way you get someone to become a 954 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,680 Carolyn: fan is to play. So getting more people to play 955 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,480 Carolyn: the sport at a youth level then translates into fandom. 956 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,400 Carolyn: I think that's an area where we've been able to 957 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,680 Carolyn: test things at Gotham that we can bring to the Giants. 958 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,360 Carolyn: I think on the football side, there's so much for 959 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,200 Carolyn: Gotham to learn from the Giants when I think about 960 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,680 Carolyn: their scouting, their analytics, the way they think about player 961 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,840 Carolyn: fit on the team, the psychological model of who would 962 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,880 Carolyn: thrive in the New York market and who wouldn't. 963 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,480 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: I think we. 964 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,319 Carolyn: Probably have the best scouts in the end of your cell, 965 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,719 Carolyn: But as Ell and I talk about often, like our 966 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,000 Carolyn: bar isn't to be the best in the end of 967 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,479 Carolyn: you wanted the best in the world. And so that's 968 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,920 Carolyn: an area I think we can continue to lean in. 969 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,840 Carolyn: And even like ty Sam who runs data and analytics 970 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,719 Carolyn: for the Giants, the way that he uses analytics to 971 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,200 Carolyn: support the coaches in their game day decision making, that's 972 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,000 Carolyn: an area where we're kind of in the early innings 973 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:18,680 Carolyn: of what we can do. 974 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: I got a tattoo after this championship forgot them. It's 975 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: the Championship Star I actually traced it from the actual championship. 976 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,160 Carolyn: Well, I was wondering how we did it so perfectly. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, 977 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,600 Carolyn: I had the tattoo artists trace it. I did not 978 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,880 Carolyn: trace it. Yeah, yeah, I got it right there. And 979 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,799 Carolyn: Mom came with me and said that she is going 980 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,920 Carolyn: to get one. She still has not made good on that. 981 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,479 Carolyn: What's your likelihood of getting one? 982 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:38,319 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Well? Will? 983 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,600 Carolyn: My husband told my kids that if they ever get 984 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,920 Carolyn: a tattoo, they will be banned from our household. 985 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: So the answer is low, like until they're sixty. My 986 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: kids repeated it back to me. Once they're sixty, they 987 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:49,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: can decide. 988 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:49,680 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Oh they can't. 989 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,279 Carolyn: Okay, Well what I was going to say, Okay, so 990 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,879 Carolyn: I guess I have some time. I have twenty years 991 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,439 Carolyn: to decide what my tattoo is. Sadly, I think it's low. 992 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,880 Carolyn: What do you hope in all of this that your 993 00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,880 Carolyn: kids take away from this? 994 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Oh, that's a good question. 995 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,439 Carolyn: I think they obviously get like a very inside look 996 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,600 Carolyn: as they often hear me on the phone or listening 997 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,960 Carolyn: to like voicemails late at night being traded. 998 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:10,200 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Back and forth. 999 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,720 Carolyn: I think being able to make the hard decisions even 1000 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,440 Carolyn: when the world is telling you something different. There have 1001 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,600 Carolyn: been moments where we've made decisions, whether it's roster decisions 1002 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,560 Carolyn: or difficult decisions on letting people go or not hiring 1003 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,240 Carolyn: people that I think the outside world might be critical about, 1004 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,000 Carolyn: and to be able to kind of like shut out 1005 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,480 Carolyn: the outside noise, look inward and say I'm going to 1006 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,120 Carolyn: do what's right by my team or or by the 1007 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,799 Carolyn: culture I'm trying to create or the vision I'm trying 1008 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,840 Carolyn: to create. It's easier said than done sometimes, but I 1009 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,520 Carolyn: think to be able to kind of look inward and 1010 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,000 Carolyn: even I would broaden that to just believing in a 1011 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,400 Carolyn: women's soccer team. Back to the conversation on investors, like, 1012 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,839 Carolyn: there's a lot of different ways to spend your time, 1013 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:50,680 Carolyn: spend your money. 1014 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:51,799 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: And I don't want to say. 1015 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,400 Carolyn: It's a sacrifice because I love what I do and 1016 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,960 Carolyn: I get a lot of joy out of it, but 1017 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,400 Carolyn: there are sacrifices to it. Can't tell the last time 1018 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,560 Carolyn: I went to a restaurant. They can't tell you the 1019 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,920 Carolyn: last time I saw my friends. But being deliberate about 1020 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,600 Carolyn: how you spend your time and if you believe in something, 1021 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,680 Carolyn: making the sacrifices to achieve what you want to achieve. 1022 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,759 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Hopefully is something they take away from it. 1023 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,000 Carolyn: I did have this thought the other day that I 1024 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,680 Carolyn: don't have to tell you, like this has been my 1025 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,800 Carolyn: lifelong dream from when I was seven years old, was 1026 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,879 Carolyn: to go work for our family at the Giants one day, 1027 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,800 Carolyn: and you know, I wrote my college essay about it. 1028 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,560 Carolyn: I wrote my busins school application essay about it, like 1029 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,399 Carolyn: this is where I'm going, and I probably glamorized it 1030 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,400 Carolyn: to some degree because I didn't actually really know what 1031 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,200 Carolyn: it meant. The other day, I think my kids, I 1032 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,840 Carolyn: couldn't put them to bed because I was stuck in 1033 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,480 Carolyn: a call I don't know something where I was like 1034 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,279 Carolyn: maybe I had to go on a work trip and 1035 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,440 Carolyn: you know, I had to leave them again. And obviously 1036 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,359 Carolyn: they see like the glamorous parts of it. The US 1037 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,719 Carolyn: soccer team won this weekend and Alexander was like, oh, 1038 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,279 Carolyn: are you going to be on stage? And I was like, no, 1039 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,640 Carolyn: that I have nothing to do with this. This is 1040 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,640 Carolyn: not my game to win. So obviously, like they see 1041 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,640 Carolyn: the glamorous parts of it, but they also see the 1042 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,920 Carolyn: trade offs and the not glamorous parts of it. 1043 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,160 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: So I did have that thought. 1044 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,799 Carolyn: I was like I wonder if my kids would dream 1045 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,719 Carolyn: about being in a family business in the same way 1046 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,200 Carolyn: that I did, because also the family business part it 1047 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,480 Carolyn: is complicated and it does change dynamics between family members. 1048 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,399 Carolyn: So I never had this conversation with them. So maybe 1049 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,000 Carolyn: they would say yes, But I wonder would they want 1050 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,879 Carolyn: to work for a family business in the same way 1051 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,799 Carolyn: that I did because it is complicated. 1052 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,440 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Yeah, well, definitely. 1053 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: My little daughter Evelyn, Yes, yeah, she was pantsuits to 1054 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,920 Emily Tisch Sussman: every game it has since she was four, and follows 1055 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:19,839 Emily Tisch Sussman: you around every game. 1056 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,560 Carolyn: So she's all in. She's one hundred percent. Oh, I 1057 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,440 Carolyn: don't care about family dynamics Now I'm in. Yeah, yeah, 1058 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,760 Carolyn: She's like, oh, barrel right through exactly. 1059 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: Is there something that you saw as a low point 1060 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,239 Emily Tisch Sussman: or a challenge that now you see it as having 1061 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: really built you to the successes you're having today or 1062 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:35,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: success you are now. 1063 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,600 Carolyn: Yeah, there's a lot of low points. I'd probably point 1064 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,600 Carolyn: to the feedback. I kind of alluded to this before 1065 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,600 Carolyn: in the Culture conversation, but we got some really challenging 1066 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,600 Carolyn: feedback at the end of twenty twenty four that I 1067 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,120 Carolyn: think made me question my leadership, our team's leadership, and 1068 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,879 Carolyn: what we were doing here that was my first full 1069 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,840 Carolyn: year in seat. Was I doing a good job? Was 1070 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,400 Carolyn: I the right person to lead this? I think now 1071 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,160 Carolyn: our team is so much better off for the decisions 1072 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,360 Carolyn: we made, the way. 1073 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,000 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: That we handled it. 1074 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,200 Carolyn: I think we very clearly know who we are, what 1075 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,600 Carolyn: we stand for, what our values are. We're better, I think, 1076 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,120 Carolyn: get identifying when it's right, fit when it's not. And 1077 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,359 Carolyn: I think I'm able to be more deliberate and where 1078 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,440 Carolyn: I spend my time and where I don't. And so 1079 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,640 Carolyn: I think I'm a better leader for going through that. 1080 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,440 Carolyn: I think our team is in a better place. We're 1081 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,520 Carolyn: going through it, but it was really difficult. 1082 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,399 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Yeah, do you think you'll pivot again? 1083 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,240 Carolyn: Feel pretty locked into this one. Feels like I'm really 1084 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,680 Carolyn: here to stay. Maybe pivot within it, like you know, 1085 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,560 Carolyn: maybe not the chair of the executive committee forever, you know, 1086 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,200 Carolyn: smaller pivots. Yeah, yeah, a smaller one within it. But 1087 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,120 Carolyn: I feel really here to stay. 1088 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,520 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: On this one. I think everyone will be thrilled to 1089 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,960 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: hear that. Okay, great, thank you for your annual she 1090 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,120 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: Pivots interview. Thank you. Now I'm already thinking what we're 1091 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,719 Carolyn Tisch Blodgett: gona talk about next year. Always building, never finished. 1092 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: This is Gotham FC's mantra, but I think it applies 1093 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,680 Emily Tisch Sussman: to women's sports as a whole, especially during this period 1094 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,839 Emily Tisch Sussman: of growth. We do this interview with care once a year, 1095 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: and every year she tells me about the new things 1096 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: to be excited about building. Not only is Gotam building 1097 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: a new practice facility, but has a Yesterday, the team 1098 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: is officially planning to move to New York City's first 1099 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: ever soccer specific stadium in Queens, playing there starting in 1100 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: twenty twenty eight. Carolyn decided what she wanted to build, 1101 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: set it out loud and kept showing up for the 1102 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: unnglamorous version of it. And the proof is the new 1103 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: Heightscotham FC and the whole NWSL have achieved in the 1104 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: past year. Carolyn leads from the top, but everyone has 1105 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,719 Emily Tisch Sussman: a role. 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