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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news team.

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Speaker 2: They did a great job in the last twenty four

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Speaker 2: hours Divine and now mulroy from the CIA, and of

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Speaker 2: course with mcmlroy's public service to the nation and to

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Speaker 2: our military, mcmorroy joins the Lobo Institute. Nick, I want

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Speaker 2: to get away from the talking points. People have to

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Speaker 2: come out of press conferences and say the usual, what's

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Speaker 2: really going on away from the media, the lights of

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Speaker 2: the media in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: So good to be with you guys. Obviously a horrible

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Speaker 1: issue to discuss. I think right now law enforcement and

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Speaker 1: especially the intelligence community is trying to determine whether this

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Speaker 1: was just ISIS inspired, which it seems obviously that it was,

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Speaker 1: or was it Isis directed, and they're going to be

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Speaker 1: looking at all of this individual's communications, potentially is travel.

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Speaker 1: There has been in reports. Do you travel to Egypt

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Speaker 1: and traveled to Canada. That doesn't mean that was anything

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Speaker 1: done there, but they're certainly going to look at who

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Speaker 1: he met and why he met them, and to try

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Speaker 1: to determine if there was any direction or any support

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Speaker 1: that was lended by main Isis, either in Syria or Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's probably where they're looking right now

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Speaker 1: to determine I guess, ultimate culpability when it comes to

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Speaker 1: this horrendous attack.

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Speaker 2: Do we have a strategy for lone wolfs.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question, because it's very difficult. It's very

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Speaker 1: difficult to determine who who's been self radicalized, as they

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Speaker 1: call it. The only way to really do that, of course,

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Speaker 1: is to kind of somehow get an informant into the mix.

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Speaker 1: But when they're self radicalized, although this individual does look

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Speaker 1: like for the FBI worked with other people, which does

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Speaker 1: indicate that there was some kind of organization that might

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Speaker 1: have gone beyond the actual attacker. Doesn't mean it was,

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Speaker 1: but it's very difficult if it's just one person, which

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Speaker 1: is why it's so hard to stop these, you know,

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Speaker 1: singular people that decide to either get a weapon and

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Speaker 1: shoot up a public place or drive a truck into

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Speaker 1: a public place. But that is what's really trying to

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Speaker 1: be determined right now, and whether there was multiple people

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Speaker 1: involved in this, it does appear from the FBI statements

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Speaker 1: that there were, and then we obviously need to find

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Speaker 1: these individuals, capture them. They are a threat to the

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Speaker 1: public right now.

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Speaker 3: Mick is there any reason to believe at this time

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Speaker 3: that there's any connection between what happened in New Orleans

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Speaker 3: and what happened in Las Vegas. Could they be connected

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Speaker 3: at all?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: I know people have talked about the similarities. They both

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Speaker 1: rant a truck from the same company. Both appear to

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Speaker 1: be US Army veterans, which is obviously a horrible thing

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Speaker 1: for any veteran. Myself included that should just be coincidence.

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Speaker 1: But I think they are looking at the connection. There's

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Speaker 1: potential that they served at the same location, at the

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Speaker 1: same base. That doesn't mean they know each other or

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Speaker 1: this is connected, but those similarities seem to be out there.

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Speaker 1: At least they're being reported, and I'm sure the FBI,

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Speaker 1: which is in the lead of this both investigations, would

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Speaker 1: be looking to see if there was a personal connection

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Speaker 1: and whether there was anybody directing both of them to

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Speaker 1: do this or not. I think it's too early to

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Speaker 1: really have any direct knowledge of whether that's the case.

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Speaker 3: Micking your long career, you've had a lot of experience

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Speaker 3: in the Middle East. We're going to have a new

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Speaker 3: president taking office here in about eighteen days. What do

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Speaker 3: you think the policy should be could be as it

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Speaker 3: relates to the Middle East, trying to get some resolution

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Speaker 3: there in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do think if we look at all the

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Speaker 1: issues that are going on in the Middle East right now,

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Speaker 1: the common denominator is are on They of course supported

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Speaker 1: or support Hamas, they support Hezbola, they were basically given

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Speaker 1: free reign in Syria, they support the Huthis, and yeah, Man,

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Speaker 1: I think that is one of the main efforts that

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Speaker 1: the incoming Trump administration is going to focus on. They

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Speaker 1: are likely to go back to what was called the

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Speaker 1: maximum pressure campaign, which is a maximum amount of sanctions,

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Speaker 1: some of some of whom were withdrawn with the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll all be put back into place, and

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Speaker 1: potentially even more strict sanctions implemented. I think that's going

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Speaker 1: to be the biggest shift when it comes to foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: trying to starve, of course, the Uranian regime from being

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Speaker 1: able to support say a billion dollars a year is

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Speaker 1: a high estimate for how much they supported HEZBLA and

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Speaker 1: try to force them back to the table because their

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Speaker 1: economy is essentially collapsing.

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Speaker 2: The reality, I.

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Speaker 1: Think is at seven hundred and eighty five thousand per dollar,

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Speaker 1: and they can't even keep the lights on, essentially in

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Speaker 1: a country that's main main resources as energy. So it

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Speaker 1: is teetering, and I do think the Trump administration is

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Speaker 1: going to try to push them to point that they'll

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Speaker 1: want to come back to the table on an agreement

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Speaker 1: not to of course, develop a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 2: And make one final question, Lisa Matteo and I were

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Speaker 2: talking about this. I mean, Lisa's got to sit with

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Speaker 2: a fam. I got to sit with a fim. Paul

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Speaker 2: Sweeney's got to sit with a fim and try to

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Speaker 2: explain all this. How do you is the real deal?

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Speaker 2: How do you explain this violence, whether terror based or

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Speaker 2: not in America? What do you tell kids? What do

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Speaker 2: you tell people afraid to go on the subway, afraid

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Speaker 2: to go to a bar, etc.

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Speaker 1: Well there's two parts, right, So one is if we

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Speaker 1: adjust the way we live. We're a free country. We

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Speaker 1: have freedom of association, speech, and we need to fight

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Speaker 1: for it. And one of the way to fight for

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Speaker 1: it is to utilize it. So if you start adjusting

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Speaker 1: everything you do based on this, the terrorists win. But

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Speaker 1: then again it's a very real threat. And in the

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Speaker 1: United States, because of our freedom, that freedom includes you

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Speaker 1: the right to bear arms, which means other people could

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Speaker 1: get those weapons. It is particularly troublesome when it comes

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Speaker 1: to these large public events, so you have to make

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Speaker 1: your own decisions. But I think it's a balance between

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Speaker 1: those two. You can't let them dictate your life, them

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Speaker 1: being the terrorist, but you have to be reasonable and

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Speaker 1: proactive when it comes to your own security. So it

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Speaker 1: really is is a balance. We can do better. I

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Speaker 1: think when it comes to protecting these public events. It's

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Speaker 1: easy to be the Monday morning quarterback and look at

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Speaker 1: everything that they didn't do, but I think collectively, rather

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Speaker 1: than point fingers, we should just take every incident like this,

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Speaker 1: do an after action, find out what didn't work and

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Speaker 1: what did work, and fix what didn't work. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's what, unfortunately or we're going to have to

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Speaker 1: do on each one of these events until we make

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Speaker 1: it just so difficult for these terrorists to really be

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Speaker 1: able to carry out these attacks.

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Speaker 2: Nick Mark, thank you for joining us today with the

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Speaker 2: Lobo Institute. I have much more is