1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Can we get it? Oh? Can we 4 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: get it? 5 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: H can we get a Michig goose? Can we get 6 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: a Michigan. 7 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: Like? Uh, you nailed it. Yeah, that's basically it. So 8 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: we are diving in with with great thanks to of course, 9 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: our super producer, the Man the Myth, mister Max Williams. 10 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: We are diving into a bit of a mystery. You've 11 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: heard of the Bermuda Trale, but what about the Michigan Triangle. 12 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: My name's Ben Noel Brown. 13 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 2: You're here, Yeah, you know it's funny. I'm actually venturing 14 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 2: to Michigan. I've never been to the state of Michigan before, 15 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: and I'm going for funsies with with my my kid 16 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: and some friends. Uh, to see the band Mister Bungle 17 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: play at a venue called the Filmore in downtown Detroit. 18 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 2: Really excited. That's the cool art stuff in Detroit, and 19 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: there's a place that I've never been to and I'm 20 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: looking forward to. Also never been to Bermuda and recently 21 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 2: rew I've been on an old school Disney movie Kick, 22 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: and in The Sword and the Stone, I love the 23 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: part where Merlin gets upset and goes blow me to Bermuda, 24 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: presumably acknowledging the triangle effect to some degree, being some 25 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: sort of magical portal, I guess. But yeah, who knew 26 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: Lake Michigan, You know, one of the great lakes has 27 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: a mysterious vortex of some kind. 28 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: And I have always, like I imagine many of us non 29 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: Michiganders have been throughout time. I got to confess to 30 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: our pile, Max, I've always been mystified by how Michigan 31 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: ended up the one state. 32 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just we gret like that. And the 33 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: best thing is Michigan is the only state where you 34 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 3: can use your hand to tell people where you're at, 35 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 3: because everyone in Michigan's like this, see I'm from here here, 36 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 3: I'm from here, from here. And I remember growing up 37 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: my family moved here to Atlanta in the nineties. I 38 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: was a kid when we moved here, and all my 39 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: friends were like, oh man, no, no one Michigan does that. Max, 40 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: You're just a weirdo, which they're correct. I am a weirdo. 41 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: But I remember one time in college we're like a 42 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: bar just like singing to Maya. We're talking to some 43 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: people and this girls like, oh, I' from Michigan too, 44 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: I'm from this part, and my buddy Michael being like, wait, 45 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 3: people actually do that. 46 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: Yes, I've always told you that first. 47 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: I've heard of everything I know about Michigan. I learned 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: from the Sufian Stevens album Michigan to the Other States. Yeah, 49 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: we will, we will, we will, and we will. We're 50 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: doing better than him though a little bit. In any case. 51 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: I you know, that's where I heard about, like the 52 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: upper Peninsula and is it the lower Peninsula? 53 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeahwa, which is the main peninsula. 54 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: I think to your point, Ben, that's why it feels 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: weird right where it does almost feel like Canada or something, 56 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: and then you know, it just feels a weird divide. 57 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: It doesn't. It does feel like it's a tale of 58 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: two states peninsulas for sure, but you know it's and 59 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: there's also kind of distinctive vibes and sort of like 60 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: regional things depending on which part of the sita, which 61 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: is true of other states. But it feels like a 62 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: little more so. But again, haven't been but lest we 63 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: bury the lead once again in case anybody isn't familiar. 64 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: The Remember You Triangle is a spot famed for being 65 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: the site of numerous ship and airplane disappearances. And this 66 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: is of course in the Atlantic Ocean. 67 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: Uh. 68 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: The Michigan Triangle, on the other hand, is as we said, 69 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: in Lake Michigan, with its southern point at a place 70 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: called Benton Harbor. 71 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: And from there, if you trace the triangle out, just 72 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: like the Bermuda Triangle, you'll see you'll see the area 73 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: extends north to Luddington, Michigan, and the other line of 74 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: the triangle goes to Mantawac, Wisconsin. That the thing is, Look, 75 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: if you've never been to the Great Lakes, I promise 76 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: it's not hyperbole. It's there's a reason for the hype. 77 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: They are huge, huge freshwater lakes. For the average sized human, 78 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: these are oceans. 79 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so I just like two three weeks ago, 80 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: was in Michigan. My cousin DJ is getting married, huge 81 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: like here on and it's look, you get out there 82 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: in like you know, you look at it, it's it's 83 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: just an ocean because you don't see the other shore, 84 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: like you know lakes down here in Georgia, which are 85 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 3: all you know, man made they're called you can always 86 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: see it like Lake Lanears that the biggest one. You 87 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 3: can see across it easy. But no, these just look 88 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: like oceans. They just continue on and on and on. 89 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: And they almost have waves. And they are cold as hell. 90 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 3: Oh there's cold as ice. And they're not willing to sacrifice. 91 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: I love or anything else, you know, even a couple 92 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: of degrees. I was once in Duluth, Minnesota, which is 93 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: on the banks of one of the Great Lakes, and 94 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: I dipped my foot in there and about pulled out 95 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: a hypothermic stump. It was very, very. 96 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: Cold, And there's a reason that you shouldn't mess with 97 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: these bodies of water. Technically, they are what's called an 98 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: inland fresh water sea max if we could get some 99 00:05:45,680 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: spooky music, perfect. So if you look at the Lake 100 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: Michigan Triangle, what you see is a dangerous region where 101 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: huge ships and even one commercial airline plane have vanished. 102 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: There's the shipwreck Alley in Lake Uron, there's the shipwreck 103 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: coast of Lake Superior. Those are all pretty intimidating. They're 104 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: tall orders, but because of the currents we mentioned earlier, 105 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: Lake Michigan is then, as of now, considered the most 106 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: dangerous of the Great Lakes. 107 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: Dangerous lakes. Usually when I think of danger in lakes, 108 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: that involves like drug people getting in like jet ski 109 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: accidents or you know, water skiing accidents. They're just boating 110 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: while intoxicated, or just not being able to swim. That's 111 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: also a problem. But Ben, isn't there a local lake 112 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: legend or a local lakes or is it Lake Linear? 113 00:06:59,279 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: It is lake. 114 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: The city at the bottom of it was people were 115 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: flooded and people were killed. 116 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: Yes, Georgia has no natural lakes. Every single one you 117 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: see is the result of human intervention. A flood. Flood 118 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: did take a town where once Lake Lanier stood and 119 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: people die there every year because humans are not made 120 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: for water design flaw. You'd be the judge. Let's go 121 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: to Charles Berlitz. Charles Berlitz is a guy who's always 122 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: been fascinated with things like the Bermuda Triangle, which, to 123 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: be very clear, has never been proven to be supernatural. 124 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: And when Charles is deep into Bermuda triangle research, he 125 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: has a moment an epiphany and he says, hang on, 126 00:07:54,600 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: hang on a tick, what's that like? Michigan, isn't it 127 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: it is? 128 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: It is like Michigan. Uh. He sees some similarities, let's 129 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: just say, in in the in the manner and timing. 130 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: Uh and and just a lot of the a lot 131 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: of things lining up that feel to him like Jinki's 132 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: kind of aha moments right between these two anomalous areas. 133 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: And anomalous perfect word for it. And he's not alone. 134 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: The author of the book The Great Lakes Triangle one, 135 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: Jay Gorley, argued, quote, the Great Lakes account for more 136 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: unexplained disappearances per unit area than the Bermuda Triangle. Well, 137 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: tough to back, yeah, exactly. I mean there, you know, 138 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: you have to look at the reporting, the statistics, you 139 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: have to we have to understand that given the decades 140 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: or centuries of time in play, the records aren't great. Yeah. 141 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: And it is like an ocean because it runs along 142 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: the coast of like the entire state. And then like 143 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: there's you know, that's what separates the up and the 144 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, exactly Wisconsin. 145 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: The shipping corners, that's what they use. Took the rivers 146 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: from there to go into there, and that's why industrial 147 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: cities like Chicago, Detroit all come from right there because 148 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: you can ship out to the Atlantic ocean, they. 149 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: Have navigable waterways. But now we're getting into the land 150 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: of water wise. I make no apology, no. 151 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: As you been, I would like to award you a 152 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: blue ribbon on that one, my friend. 153 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,479 Speaker 1: Oh goodness, thank you blue ribbon for punistry. 154 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, like Nike shoes blue ribbon or actual blue ribbon. 155 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: Well, actual blue ribbon. How about how about we go 156 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: for a trip up to Lake Michigan to do the 157 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: show live and hope we don't disappear. Because what's interesting 158 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: about this when our pow research associated Jeff Dove into 159 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: god accident. When j was looking into this, Jeff found that, 160 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: according to a lot of the local folklore, the majority 161 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: of these alleged eerie anomalous situations, they occur within a 162 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: discrete span of time from eighteen fifty to nineteen fifty 163 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: and after that there aren't as many quote unquote unexplained disappearances. 164 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: But the apparently the first disappearance takes place in sixteen 165 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: seventy nine, or the first weird thing, we should. 166 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 2: Say, that's right, sixteen seventy nine, back half of the 167 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: seventeenth century. We start to see, like you guys were 168 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: just talking about the Great Lakes begin to take that 169 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: kind of shipping lane role you know earlier in the 170 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: early days of this kind of thing. This is more 171 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: becoming a route for fur trades. Right in sixteen seventy nine, 172 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: a ship called Le Griffin or the Griffin if you 173 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: want to be in English about it, went on its 174 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: very first voyage. It's made in voyage. I love using 175 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: nautical terms. It was originally planned for the route to 176 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: be taken through the Great Lakes because it was the 177 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 2: most efficient passage to to the far East. Yeah, a 178 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: north a northwest passage, not the Northwest passage, but a 179 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: very efficient northwest passage to the far East, in the 180 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: hopes of bringing the fur trade to Asia or as 181 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: they called it back then, the Orient. 182 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: They did did. I'm just it's so there's this strong 183 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: economic argument right for enduring traversing these at times dangerous waters. 184 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: Sad to say, Le Griffon never made it past Lake Michigan. 185 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: At some point it disappeared within the confines of what 186 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: proponents call the Lake Michigan Triangle. And so most people 187 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: assume that the ship sank below the depths of this 188 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: enormous inland sea such that it would be impossible to 189 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: recover any remnants of the wreckage, any remnants of the cargo, 190 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: any remnants of the crew. And the deadliest sinking in 191 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: the entirety of the Great Lakes also occurred in this 192 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: triangle in eighteen sixty. The Lady Elgin goes down. You know, 193 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: cast your memory back there, as Van Morrison said, brown 194 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: eyed girl, it's eighteen sixty. The majority of ships are 195 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: still going to be made of wood. The Lady Elgin 196 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: is a steamship, but it is a wooden steamship, and 197 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: it hits a smaller vessel called the Augusta. The Augusta 198 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: is able to limp safely to harbor, but the Lady 199 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: Elgin continues taking on water and it sinks. Three hundred 200 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: people die. 201 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, gosh, it's stuff. It's the stuff of nautical legend, 202 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 2: you know, or you think of like the ghost ship 203 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: that's forever doomed to wander whatever the nautical version of 204 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: wander is. Lists Perhaps no listing is. I think when 205 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: they tip over, it doesn't matter. Yeah, three hundred dead 206 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: in this mysterious region. Same deal. Next, we've got May 207 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: twenty first, eighteen ninety one, and I have to just 208 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: I guess this is just the writing style of Milwaukee, 209 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: which comes from Milwaukee Magazine. And the first thing just 210 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 2: says seven sturdy sailors of strong Wisconsin stock dropped a 211 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: shipment of lumber off in Chicago and then board at 212 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: their ship. I wish it ended with an oc sounding, 213 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: it would make it more like a limerick or something. 214 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: But their ship was called the Thomas Hume. Uh, and 215 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: they were setting sail for Muskegon. Where's Muskegon? No, Muskogee, 216 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: it could be anywhere up there. 217 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: Honestly, that's a very Midwestern name. 218 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's sureus. And they got a nice art 219 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: museum there Grand Rapids. It's it's I think it's I 220 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: think you know what it is. I think it's like 221 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: a bedroom community type deal. 222 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: And in Muskogan at this point, there is something called 223 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: the Hackey Hume lumber Mill. The Thomas Hume is a 224 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: sail boat, as we said, it has it's a big, 225 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: big operation. It's a schooner. And this is not the 226 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: first Michigan rodeo for these guys. They have made this 227 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: journey back and forth multiple times on the lumber company's 228 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: other ship, that Rouse Simmons. But despite the fact that 229 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: this was a routine voyage. They set across Lake Michigan 230 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: and they never reach their destination. Crazy thing about wood 231 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: in a shipwreck. Wood floats. So it's interesting that when 232 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: this thing disappeared in eighteen ninety one, despite the fact 233 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: that it was a wooden vessel and it was literally 234 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: carried loads of wood, no debris from the schooner was 235 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: ever found to. 236 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: The no flotsam and or jetsam. That is really suspicious, 237 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: and that's when you start that's when the you know, 238 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: enough of these types of things get reported that you 239 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: start to think there might be something up. 240 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: Oh quick, amendment, however, we're giving you the turn by 241 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: turn of the story. In two thousand and six, divers 242 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: found what they think might be partial remains of the ship. 243 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: But who can tell it's wood, you know what I mean, 244 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: It's like it's more wood at the bottom of this 245 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: inland sea. 246 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: It floats, but doesn't wood also so rot when water 247 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: logged like that, and so it could you know, be 248 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: hard to identify. Prapps m h. 249 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's been a lot of research on this 250 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: wreckage to confirm whether or not it belongs to the 251 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: Thomas Hume but Word on the street, or should we 252 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: say word on the shore, seems pretty convinced that this 253 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: this shows us the ship somehow wrecked, and this is 254 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: where we go to. Let's go back to the Thomas Hume. 255 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the great granddaughter of Thomas Hume, Elizabeth Sherman. 256 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: She wrote a book entirely about some of these mishaps. 257 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: Well, a very poetic title, I might add, Beyond the 258 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: wind Swept Dunes, the Story of Maritime Muskegone Muskegone. I 259 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: bet it's Muskeegne like Muskegee Tuskegee. But Muskegone sounds cool. 260 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: It sounds more futuristic. 261 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: I feel like no Elon Musk is gonna name his kid, 262 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: his next kid Muskegon. 263 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: Sherman. I don't know. 264 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: It doesn't have enough like numbers in it. 265 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, and it needs some more hashtags and 266 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: the like alpha numeric figure. 267 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 3: It reminds me of what Frank Zappa named his children, 268 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 3: and one of them changed their name correct. 269 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 2: Well, my favorite was always Moon Unit, who just went 270 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 2: shortened it to Moon. She was a VJ on on MTV. 271 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: I think a couple of them were. But duezl still 272 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 2: goes by deusel Almet arguably the most sensible name. But 273 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Frank Zappa and his kids. 274 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: I think it's pretty cool. I think Ahmatt is at 275 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: odds though Deuezel's cool. He actually plays the music of 276 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: his dad. But Amitt, I think is the eldest and 277 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 2: is literally trying to sue his brother to keep from 278 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 2: using his own name. He's kind of messed up. You 279 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: hate to see that. 280 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens. 281 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: It's like one of the most sensible name is actually 282 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: the biggest asshole. But speaking of names, what a what 283 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: a generic segue into a story that involves names. Sherman 284 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 2: attempted to explain the last voyage in her book, the 285 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: Last Voyage of the Hume. 286 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, in the last Voyage of the Hume, 287 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: they had that other boat, the Rouse Simmons, going with them. 288 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: The weather turned ugly and the Simmons made their way 289 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 1: back to Chicago. The Hume weathered it on alone and 290 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: disappeared again. People still will tell you that this Homus 291 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: Hume was discovered at the bottom of the lake in 292 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: two thousand and six. And the creepy thing is to 293 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: the point about water log and decay in a maritime environment. 294 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: The creepy thing is the hume was still apparently in 295 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: your perfect condition. 296 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: Whoa, perhaps it was surrounded by one of those atlantis 297 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 2: bubbles that we hear so much about. 298 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I hear about them all the time. 299 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: Thing moving on to that spooky that one is like that, 300 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: that's sort of like the twist at the end of 301 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 2: a little short horror story. And after all that time, 302 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 2: it was a near perfect condition, and then her head. 303 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: Fell off and they found the hook on the side 304 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: of the door in the morning. There's a weird moment though, right. Yes, 305 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: there's something about this tragedy with the Thomas Hume that 306 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: inspires people in the shoreline communities to say, hey, maybe 307 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: there's something up, Maybe there's something wrong with the water, 308 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: and sailors then and now, always being somewhat of a 309 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: superstitious lot, start to think it's bad luck, and bystanders 310 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: are paying more and more attention to the vessels on 311 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: the horizon. Yeah, you're right, Ben, Each one of these 312 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: stories has a little of that. I would say the 313 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: Hume most so, but each one of these has some 314 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: little little off detail that's kind of makes you makes 315 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: it easier for the mind to grasp that these are 316 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: in some way connected, you know. 317 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: Case in point, the Rosa Bell. When the Thomas Hume, 318 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 2: which I believe would we could say was the most 319 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: famous thus far of these disappearances, when it disappeared, people 320 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 2: really started to wonder what was going on. Like you said, Ben, 321 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 2: people were really starting to make these connections and think, 322 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: is there something amiss here? Is there some you know, 323 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: malevolent forest at play? Because by this point, Ben, wouldn't 324 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: the idea of the Bermuda Triangle have been kind of known? 325 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: Was it that like a like a sailor's tale as well, 326 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: or was that a little more modern? 327 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: I think I want to say it was a little 328 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: bit more modern as an urban legend. I think the 329 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: first story about the Bermuda Triangle comes along in nineteen fifty. 330 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: Okay, wow, So in a weird way, the Michigan Triangle 331 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: kind of pre dates the Bermuda Triangle in terms of 332 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 2: its sort of like regional status or whatever. And again 333 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 2: I did not know about the story until Research Associates 334 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: extraordinary Jeff Bartlett brought it to our attention. Whereas you 335 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: hear about the Bermuda Triangle all the time, probably more 336 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: bad low budget movies about the Bermuda Triangle than made 337 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: than we care to count. But the Rosa Bella. The 338 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 2: turn of the century we start to see some other 339 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: strange events, and the first of which we're going to 340 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 2: talk about now involving this ship called the Rosa bell 341 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: Bella Bell at b E l E in nineteen twenty one. 342 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: We've got eleven folks who are aboard this ship, all 343 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: members of the Benton Harbor House of David. Is that 344 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: like a church? What are we talking? What is the 345 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 2: Benton Harbor House of David. That's a wild name for 346 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: an organization. 347 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: It is a commune. Oh, it's a religious group which 348 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: is still around today. It was founded by Benjamin Pernell 349 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: Benjamin and Mary Pernell. 350 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 2: Very Michigan centric. So now we basically kind of have 351 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 2: a cult involved. Huh, why not? You know, let's just 352 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: put in for good measure. So all twelve members of 353 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: this commune disappeared and their ship was found Wait, let's 354 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: let's get back into nautical terms. What is foundered mean? 355 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: Doesn't that mean that the ship has as capsized? 356 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: No? 357 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: Cap size is capsized? Foundered is floundered? Foundered? No, it's 358 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: a nautical term. It means for a ship to fill 359 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: with water and sink sixth drowned when the yacht foundered 360 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: off the Florida coast. Sorry, I'm just getting into trying 361 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 2: to use as many silly, obscure nomical terms. 362 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 3: You said, Florida coast. 363 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 2: No, No, that was in the definition. Oh, I was 364 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: just reading the example that the dictionary gave. 365 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 3: They just can't grasp that something would founder off the 366 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: coast of Michigan. 367 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: That's weird, right, but it did. But again to your 368 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: previous point, Max, you really do have to think of 369 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: these bodies of water more like oceans with their own 370 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: kind of machinations, right ben Well. 371 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: Flounder also means to struggle or stagger. Cumsley and water 372 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: and the Rose bel It's interesting the Roosevelt did not sink. 373 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: It was found overturned. It was foundered overturned floating in 374 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: Lake Michigan, but not the way the shipbuilders designed it 375 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: to float. The ship was apparently damaged in a collision 376 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: with something, which ties in, by the way, with cryptid legends, 377 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: but no other ship reported a collision, No other remains 378 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: had been found, and a lot of people in the 379 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: area said that's nuts because the Rose of Bell had 380 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: been rebuilt after an earlier mishap in the eighteen hundreds, 381 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: very similar to this one. 382 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: Again Superstit sort of a ship of thesis kind of quandary, 383 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: not really just just in that it's a ship and 384 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: there's some rebuilding involved, but I mean it's not offally 385 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: every piece had not been changed out by this point. 386 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: That's the famous thought experiment. Another fun nautical term that 387 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: just came to mind is listed. When a ship lists, 388 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: that means it takes on water and leans over to 389 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: one side. So that's basically what the what the what 390 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: the ship was doing here? And to your point, Ben, 391 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: this is kind of the little spooky story twist, right, 392 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: the idea that the ship had been rebuilt after a 393 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: previous wreck that was very similar to that other one. 394 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: That is sort of the little twist that makes this 395 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: fit kind of you know what I mean, Like there's 396 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: gotta be some little extra ghostbusters e clue in each 397 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: of these. There wasn't any evidence as to what may 398 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: have caused the shipwreck, and it was very mysterious as 399 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 2: to what happens to every single soul on board, right, 400 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: It's almost like they were pressed to digitated, you know, 401 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: into another realm. But again, this wasn't in the days 402 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 2: of like, you know, underwater drones and the ability to 403 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: do such an exhaustive search. So that also, I think 404 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: figures somewhat into not being able to find all of 405 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: the stuff. 406 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the coastguard said it's a mystery. The eleven 407 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,239 Speaker 1: crew members, again from the commune, were never found. So 408 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: what if it's more than just shipwrecks. We'll just fast 409 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: forward a little bit to a guy named Captain George R. 410 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: Donner in nineteen thirty seven. Is he related to the 411 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: daughter party? Honestly, I haven't checked as a banging party. 412 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 3: I was gonna say he's a related to George R. R. Martin, 413 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 3: but uh, you know, I certainly. 414 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 2: Got one R though. Man, that's an absurd question. Ben's 415 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: question was at least reasonable. You think everyone with an 416 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 2: R for a middle name and George is related? Sorry, Max, 417 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 2: I didn't mean to be so harsh on you. I 418 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 2: love you. Are you turning away from me? He made 419 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: the heart figure, he made the heart sign. All is well, 420 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: he's just giving me the silent treatment. Yeah. Nineteen thirty seven, 421 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 2: George R. Donner on the O. M. McFarland sailing through 422 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 2: as we mentioned, very very icy, icy conditions in the 423 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: Great Lakes. You know, even in the best of times, 424 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: that water's damn cold. But you know, if you're battling 425 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: icy conditions, this is like Titanic kind of you know situation. 426 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: And he's not the youngest of men. Captain Donner is 427 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: fifty eight years old. He's already had a heck of 428 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: a slog. The ship is sailing through the Lake Michigan triangle. 429 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: So he shuts the door to his cabin, you know, 430 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: maybe takes off his hat and says, I'm gonna crash 431 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: for a second. But he didn't mean it literally, because 432 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: a few hours later, the ship is drawing closer and 433 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: closer to Port Washington. The crew members are knocking on 434 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: the door. Captain, Captain Captain. No one answers. The door 435 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: locks from the inside. Eventually they break down the door 436 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: and they find the cabin is captainless. The entire ship searches, 437 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: they never find the guy. He is a ghost. 438 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: Holy cow, do you think he wanted to commit himself 439 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: to old Davy Jones's locker? Like he felt like it 440 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 2: has been a good run. You know, my home is 441 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 2: the sea. 442 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he was like, fifty eight, this is my year. 443 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to start a new life. 444 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: This is like Midsommar rules. You know that I'm imposing 445 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 2: oh myself in my cult of one, my cult of 446 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 2: the mind. Crazy though, that's weird and like to your point, Ben, 447 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 2: it's not just about ships anymore. This is the kind 448 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: of stuff that you see dramatized in some of those 449 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: bad perm you to triangle type stories, you know, where 450 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 2: people just vanish like it's some sort of you know, 451 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: piercing of the veil between two worlds, you know what 452 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: I mean. 453 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: That would be some of the more supernatural or paranoris 454 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: arguments for this. The Lake Michigan Triangle, as we mentioned 455 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: at the top, has also apparently claimed an aircraft. Northwest 456 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: Airline flight twenty five oh one disappeared in June of 457 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty. Maybe let's dive into the details there. 458 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: That's right, June twenty third, to be precise, nineteen fifty 459 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: Northwest Airlines Flight twenty five oh one. Guarantee, my brother, 460 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: this is some lost inspo right here. 461 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: You know. 462 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: It's flying from New York City to Seattle with fifty 463 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 2: eight people on board over the Lake Michigan Triangle. Captain 464 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: of the ship, Robert Lynde, calls in to ask for 465 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: permission to you know, make their descent or actually make 466 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: us Pacific descent twenty five hundred feet because of a 467 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: bad electrical storm in some high winds. But he's denied. 468 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: WHOA why would he be denied? That seems like a 469 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: crappy thing to do. He's trying to be safe. Maybybe 470 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: it was a matter of air traffic and they gave 471 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: him some other option. But apparently then communications are severed. 472 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, we know being an air traffic controller is 473 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: an incredibly difficult and stressful job. But it stood out 474 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: to me as well. Man, the idea that you could 475 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: just say nah, like, hey, stay the course, you're good. 476 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: Our planes crashy, Nah. 477 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: Just fly right into that sucker. He'll be fine. 478 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: You've got it. 479 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: You've trained, you've trained your whole career for this. 480 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: No. 481 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: But seriously, man, does this not feel like the plot 482 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: of Lost? 483 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: It does? 484 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: Don't find They don't find the plane. 485 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: It's a Michigan or version thereof for sure, and there's 486 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: a there's this huge search. This is the nineteen fifties, right, 487 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: So it's not the same. Is when a wooden schooner disappears, 488 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: they drag Lake Michigan for wreckage, as in physically dragged, 489 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: not like Twitter drag, and they don't find anything for days. 490 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: Human remains are washing up on the shore, but the 491 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: plane itself is gone. And this is where we have 492 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: to ask ourselves. Right, if human remains are washing up, 493 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: then that does mean the plane crashed, right, because the 494 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: plane would have to crack open, you know. 495 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those things are like hermetically sealed. You know, 496 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: speaking of which, not to derealist too much, but did 497 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: you hear about that flight from Atlanta to Guy Barcelona 498 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 2: kept pooping all the way to pooping? Well, the thing 499 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: that I didn't realize that I thought was so interesting 500 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: about that is apparently when someone is having explosive diarrhea 501 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 2: in a shared air hermetically sealed environment, it's considered a biohazard. 502 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: It is you're tasting that, That's what smell is. 503 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 504 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: I tried to incept Matt Frederick into talking about that 505 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 3: on Strange News yesterday. I told I told Ben that 506 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: before the corner, But I tried to incept Matt, and 507 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 3: unfortunately I'm not very good at any take. 508 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: Matt's also like a steel trap man. That guy can't 509 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: be incepted. 510 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 3: True, very true. I should have tried it one of y'all. 511 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 2: But well, it obviously worked on me, it did whatever. 512 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: Whatever. 513 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: Maybe I also like to talk about airplane poop with 514 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: an article Advice that references it posed the question of 515 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: what about those people that took a very strong sleeping 516 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: pill thinking they'd wake up in Barcelona and then woke 517 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 2: up bay back in Atlanta and then be having to 518 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: tiptoe around poop flowing. I don't know. I want to 519 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 2: know more details about the center. 520 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 3: I was talking to my friend Meredith about that and 521 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 3: also going to see the Postal Service concert next month 522 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 3: in Seattle, and I sent her a recycled air I'm like, 523 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 3: this song means a very different thing right now to me. 524 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: Well, also, I've you know, guys, I've been on a 525 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: lot of flights in a lot of different situations. The 526 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: I get get into them, you just do, man. Well, 527 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 1: I got yeah, right right. So I I'm pretty close 528 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: with the Delta community behind the scenes, and this has 529 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: been the talk of the town, right It's the talk 530 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: of the talk of the skies. And I would just 531 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: want to practice an exercise empathy here. No, very few 532 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: people purposely get explosive diarrhea. Very few people want that 533 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: to happen. So if you're hearing this, hope your butt's okay. Man, 534 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: you know you will live to fly another day. 535 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 2: Oh. One person, God, that person isn't being docked by name. 536 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,959 Speaker 2: Can you imagine if that was in the papers? Oh, 537 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: your life would be over and. 538 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: He had nothing to do but run for president at 539 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, it's typic canoe and skypoop two. Right, 540 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: So there's also oh wait, this might be a different 541 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: story for another day, but Louis Armstrong was a guy 542 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: who did enjoy explosive diarrhea. He was a laxative salesman. Oh, 543 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 1: in addition to being a celebrity. Yeah, okay, anyway, that 544 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Lake Michigan. Hopefully people are 545 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: pooping in it. They don't. 546 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: Oh, they certainly are. 547 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: I know, I know, hopefully though better angels. As we 548 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: said the previous show, there is a search every year 549 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: for flight twenty five oh one. It is funded by 550 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: Clive Cussler, the famous, the famous thriller novelist, and the 551 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: Michigan Shipwreck Research associates. 552 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: Clive Custler famously into nautical exploration and stuff too. Remember 553 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: we spoke to that I always forget her dang name, 554 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: Rachel Lance. Rachel Lance about underwater explosions and specifically surrounding 555 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 2: what was the name of the vessel. The Clive Custler 556 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: basically also financed them digging up. It was like a 557 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: Civil War era, like weird sub and like the deaths 558 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: of those individuals due to like implosion basically, but the 559 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 2: Hunley HL only that was what we talked about, and 560 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: that's yeah, that's very much a Custler thing. 561 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: And then because this is folklore, right, the Lake Michigan 562 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: Triangle is urban legend. It is folklore. That's why you 563 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: hear stories that come out after the fact, like history 564 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: Daily dot org reports to police officers about two hours 565 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: after the flight disappeared, they report seeing a red light 566 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: hovering above Lake Michigan for ten minutes. Is that true? 567 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: There's no way to know. 568 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 2: No, But it's the kind of things that we see, 569 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: you know, in the obviously on our other show stuff. 570 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 2: They don't want you to know. This type of lore 571 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 2: always finds a way to incorporate, like extraterrestrials, you know, 572 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 2: like it's it's an abduction site. There's some perfect alignment 573 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 2: that this is like this, you know, like perfect storm 574 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 2: spot for being abducted. 575 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: And there are many, many more examples. But while we 576 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: are on our paranormal stuff, they don't want you to 577 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: know vibe. Let's lean into it, as they say in 578 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,479 Speaker 1: corporate America, let's learn more about the strange lights. Let's 579 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: learn more about the spooky stuff. Let's take a peek 580 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: under the kimono. Oh no, no, kimono. It's so bad. 581 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 2: God, We've been around enough leadership type changes and corporate 582 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 2: folk to you know, we could fill a couple of 583 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,919 Speaker 2: mole scheme notebooks with these douchey corporate sayings. They're all 584 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 2: delightfully cringey. But yeah, it's true. Ben, you make a 585 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: great point in what we discussed earlier absolutely holds true 586 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 2: in this situation. There are many other reports like what 587 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 2: you heard from those police officers. Reports are strange lights hovering, 588 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 2: you know, crafts supernatural goings on. Right, we also heard 589 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: some folks reporting odd and sudden changes in the weather. 590 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 2: Max pointed out earlier that Lake Michigan is big enough 591 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 2: to have its own kind of micro weather, like you know, 592 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 2: waves and stuff like that in storms. But even this, 593 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 2: this is outside of the norm. For that, the idea 594 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 2: of rogue waves, which are like out of nowhere, very 595 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 2: powerful and damaging waves, and then like crazy weather phenomenons 596 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 2: or anomalies, really they just kind of pop up out 597 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 2: of nowhere. 598 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, people, you can find countless tales of people claiming 599 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: to see strange lights in the sky at night, claiming 600 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: maybe their compasses or other electromagnetically sensitive instruments aren't working. 601 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: And of course, just like the Bermuda Triangle, you'll find 602 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: people who say there is some sort of portal through time, 603 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: through space, through dimensions. At this point, none of that 604 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: is proved, but it is true for the average person. 605 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: The weather on the lake is strange in that triangle area. Now, 606 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: is that because there are Eldrich love Craftian forces at play, 607 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: or is that because weather is difficult to predict and 608 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: most people on the surface of the ocean or this 609 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: case in inland sea don't understand it. Max, I love 610 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: your head shakes right now. You go on, Yeah, you're 611 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: going Eldrich monster. 612 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeap, Okay, I want it, I want it. So bad, y'all. 613 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 2: I want that more than I want extraterrestrials. Give me 614 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 2: Cuthulhu all day. Loah, yog shabab, whatever the f What 615 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 2: do they say, man if Tak, Yeah, that's the one. 616 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 2: By the way, I know this was occurring to me 617 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 2: in terms of like thinking about the ecosystem that is 618 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 2: Lake Michigan, just in particular. It is two hundred and 619 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 2: seventy nine feet in depth average, but there are points 620 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 2: of it that can go as deep as nine hundred 621 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 2: and twenty five feet. That's deep. I mean, it's not 622 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 2: like you know, deep sea exploration deep, but for a 623 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 2: freaking lake, that's that's intensely deep. 624 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: Agreed. Yeah, especially considering that once again, human beings are 625 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: not made to be under the water, right. 626 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 2: So this they kind of go pop. Yeah, they go 627 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 2: too deep. 628 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, they pop and then they flop and 629 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: they may be jetsam or flotsam as a result. So 630 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: there's also there's something that I do think has a 631 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: little bit of sand the idea that there are ancient structures, yes, 632 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: beneath the water brought up the depths yea, because it's 633 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: it's completely plausible given the rise and fall of the 634 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: water level over time. We know that the human world 635 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: is littered with under sea ruins. It's just do they 636 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: have some sort of special powers. 637 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 2: Well, right, things like the Lost City of Atlantis for example. 638 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 2: That's why I mentioned the Atlantis bubble earlier, because that's 639 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 2: when you start getting into that kind of stuff. You know, 640 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 2: we were talking about mysterious goings on and then we're 641 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 2: starting to talk about ancient structures of a stone enge nature. 642 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 2: But like you know, under the water. But there have 643 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 2: been some unusual structures or I guess rock formations found 644 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 2: at the bottom of Lake Michigan, and for a long time, 645 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 2: researchers kind of kept them lit on it because they 646 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 2: did your point, Ben, They a didn't want a bunch 647 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 2: of like Yahoo's diving down in there trying to you know, 648 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 2: check them out and ended up getting trapped or killed 649 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 2: or whatever. And b didn't want them to disrupt you know, 650 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: what was ultimately a scene of research, a place where 651 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 2: they wanted to be able to keep things intact. 652 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,919 Speaker 1: M absolutely, and we all know how it goes when 653 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: people are working on science. A publisher report that says, 654 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: maybe with these a million caveats, this thing might be 655 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: a possibility you can consider next thing. You know, there's 656 00:39:54,680 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: an alarmist, breathless headline all over social media that says, 657 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 1: this guy has a degree, and he says the stone 658 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: hinge is made by alien fish and they live in 659 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: Lockness and they live in Lake Michigan, and they freaking 660 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 1: hate wooden. 661 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 2: Boats and they get it on like rabbits. Don't know 662 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 2: why I felt it't they need to add that detail. 663 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 2: But this rock formation, though, is described as being a 664 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 2: forty foot ring of ancient stones that's around fifty feet 665 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 2: under the surface of Lake Michigan. And apparently one of 666 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 2: the stones has what appears to be a carving of 667 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 2: a mastodon, which is an animal that only existed or 668 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 2: that went extinct rather in the Ice Age about ten 669 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 2: thousand years ago. 670 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean this is just this was taught 671 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 3: from early on. Is that, like you know, Michigan is 672 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 3: a very flat state, Like you know, Georgia is a 673 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 3: very hilly mistake right next to Appalachians. Obviously northern parts 674 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 3: are in the Appalations. Michigan got flattened out by the 675 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 3: glaciers from the from the last Great Ice Age, and 676 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 3: the Great Lakes were dug from the right, So this 677 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 3: all kind of tracks. Look, you know, stuff dating back 678 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 3: to like the Ice Age now at the bottom of 679 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 3: a lake, because that's all from ice Age time period. 680 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 3: So you know, I believe in it. There's fish that 681 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 3: repopulate like rabbits that hate all of us, that are 682 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 3: aliens down there. 683 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: I've been yeah, vioally, yeah, you know, we got there. 684 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: We got there. We also can't wait to go visit 685 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: that I missed the Great Lakes. We can't wait to 686 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: go visit ourselves and folks, we see in this exploration 687 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: not just a series of tragedies in this one area, 688 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: but we see a cultural attempt to explain those tragedies 689 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: all together in a larger theory. This makes us want 690 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 1: to shout out a recent episode we did on stuff 691 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Read in my mind, 692 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: how to build an urban legend. 693 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 2: It's a lot easier than you might think, and is 694 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 2: absolutely you can either say, aided or exacerbated by the 695 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 2: Internet like this our modern times in the game of 696 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 2: telephone that is social media communications. And to a previous 697 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 2: point we made just about how easy it is to 698 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 2: just have something out there, attach the name of a 699 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,359 Speaker 2: person of note and then all of a sudden, people 700 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 2: are reposting it as fact. 701 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: Keanu Reeves says Lake Michigan is dangerous because of the aliens. Yeah, 702 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: one thousand people in thirty seconds will go. I don't know. 703 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,879 Speaker 1: I believe him, though he seems right. 704 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 3: He was in the Matrix and then he was John Wick. 705 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 3: I mean he's been the two greatest heroes of all time. 706 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I think the John Wick movies are wonderful. 707 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: I love him, they really are. I love him, I 708 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: love them. But also I love Pacific Rims, so I 709 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: might not be the best. 710 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,879 Speaker 2: Joe Pacific rim I like the first one. We've talked 711 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 2: about this, I think we're in agreement. 712 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 3: He was also the quarterback in The Replacements, which is 713 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 3: a very funny movie with Gene Hackman in it. 714 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: He also knows where the Bostard sleeps in Francis Ford, Coplas. 715 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 1: So with that, while we're waiting for Kiatu to confirm 716 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,720 Speaker 1: his own experiences with Lake Michigan. 717 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it just last thing. Speaking of made in voyages, 718 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 2: have you guys seen anything about or have any interest 719 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 2: in the voyage of the Demeter, which is like origin story? Yeah? Yeah, 720 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 2: apparently not very good. I do like the idea of it, 721 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 2: but apparently it's just like a basically a slasher movie 722 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 2: on a boat. Fine with our with our guy the 723 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 2: Onion Night from from Game of Throne, So I think 724 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 2: we all. 725 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: Have a bit of a soft spot for of course, finally, 726 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: and we want to learn more of these stories. There 727 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: is again a lot we didn't get to in this one. 728 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: So if you would like to delve into the story 729 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: the Lake Michigan Triangle, then why not join us for 730 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,720 Speaker 1: an upcoming clip show. What are we calling it? Guys? Stuff, 731 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: we lost stuff, we forgot, stuff that got left over, 732 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: stuff that got left over. In the meantime, we hope 733 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: you are having a wonderful week a wonderful weeknd. We 734 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: will be on the way back very soon, as as 735 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: we gave an earlier shout out. If you live out 736 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: Las Vegas Way, let us know. 737 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do a meet a meetup? Is that what 738 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 2: they call him? 739 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: Probably? 740 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 2: Yes, do one of those we can have. We can 741 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 2: have a fear and loathing type experience. We go to 742 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 2: circus circus and I'm just kidding. We don't do things 743 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 2: like that, but we would love to see you if 744 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 2: you're out there there, we'll we'll give you some more 745 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 2: details around the actual live events and how you can 746 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 2: get into that. But help. Yeah, let us know if 747 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 2: you're around. 748 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm excited about seeing the Hoover Dam in person, and 749 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,439 Speaker 1: let us know if the Hoover Dam's worth the trip. 750 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 2: He's not kidding. Yeah, he's been talking about it a lot, 751 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 2: and I feel the energy and the love. 752 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: It'll be an episode at the very least. Thank you, 753 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: as always to our super producer, mister Max Williams. Williams Williams, 754 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: our official michigand er Gander Gander, How we do, Max, 755 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: How we do on this week? 756 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 3: I'm proud of you. 757 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:08,240 Speaker 1: A resounding, a resounding uproarious cosa from Max Michigan Williams, 758 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: Max the sturdy sailor of strong. 759 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 2: Michigan stock. 760 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: There we go. Thanks also to Alex Williams to composed 761 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: our track, Chris vossi Otis East, jeffco Here in Spirit, 762 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, the hidden structure at the bottom of our 763 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: own lake or the mastadon bones out of fool work? 764 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever the hieroglyph on our mystical rock structure. Now 765 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 2: that sounds too positive. We'll work shop this and thanks 766 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,240 Speaker 2: to you know ah YouTube brother. See you next time, folks. 767 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 768 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.