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<v Speaker 1>Murder in Illinois is a production of iHeartRadio. Five weeks

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<v Speaker 1>after the killings, a grand jury indicted Christopher Vaughan on

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<v Speaker 1>four counts of first degree murder in connection with the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting deaths of his wife and three children. His family

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<v Speaker 1>has never shared their story or spoken publicly about the murders,

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation, or Chris until now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>He has always been curious. If there was a puzzle,

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<v Speaker 3>he had to do it. If something was broken, he

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<v Speaker 3>would try to fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>Long before Christopher Vaughan was known as a killer, he

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<v Speaker 1>was a son and a brother in the Vaughan family

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<v Speaker 1>of Missouri by way of Indiana, the eldest of Gail

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<v Speaker 1>and Pierre Vaughan's three boys.

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<v Speaker 2>I compare the other boys to Aiman, I would say

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<v Speaker 2>they were more typical. But if he gave Chris something

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<v Speaker 2>to do, he did it be slightly different than I

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<v Speaker 2>would do it, or somebody else would do it. That

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<v Speaker 2>was just him. He had his own way of doing things.

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<v Speaker 1>When Gail speaks of her three sons, there's a definite

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<v Speaker 1>sparkle in her voice that shimmers with pride. But when

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<v Speaker 1>she shares specific memories of Chris as a child, there's

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<v Speaker 1>also a sense of awe.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris was a natural. Anything he touched, he could do.

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<v Speaker 3>He was really good at sports. His academic achievements are amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>There was one time it was Christmas and he had

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<v Speaker 4>asked for an R two D two.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a little motorized robot. Well, he was so

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<v Speaker 3>excited when he opened it up and he just his

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<v Speaker 3>eyes just oh my gosh, oh my gosh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's bouncing around, and he disappeared and we were

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<v Speaker 3>still opening gifts, but he has gone. Well about an

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<v Speaker 3>hour or two, Laters comes out of his bedroom and

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<v Speaker 3>he was so excited because he came out with a

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<v Speaker 3>walking dinosaur holding an object like a card in front

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<v Speaker 3>of him. What he'd done is he'd taken his R

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<v Speaker 3>two D two apart and along with some of his

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<v Speaker 3>other toys, made a dinosaur butler that tried to carry objects.

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<v Speaker 3>The way he could think was amazing. If you have

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<v Speaker 3>a routine and you do something a certain way all

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<v Speaker 3>the time, but it takes you twenty minutes to do it,

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<v Speaker 3>he would look at what you're doing and he would

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<v Speaker 3>be able to get the result that you got faster

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<v Speaker 3>than what you did in twenty minutes. It was just

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<v Speaker 3>aggravating sometimes because you think, man, I've done this forever

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<v Speaker 3>and look at the sool squirt. He just showed me

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<v Speaker 3>how to do it better and more efficiently.

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<v Speaker 4>So now that took quite a bit from us parents

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<v Speaker 4>not to Chris do it this way.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we tried not to do that. We tried really hard.

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<v Speaker 3>All the boys think on your own, you know, think

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<v Speaker 3>out of the box, don't always go with the crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's kind of what we got.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Lauren brad Pacheco, and this is murder in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, think foot baby like sticky, a beautyful bards.

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<v Speaker 5>You came to distress Fuxicent.

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<v Speaker 2>All on broging hard cards, but you.

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<v Speaker 5>Did try to love somewhat. But now you've got to listen.

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<v Speaker 6>To Lisa.

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<v Speaker 1>During his trial, Christopher Vaughan was portrayed by the prosecution

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<v Speaker 1>as a fairly monstrous person, a selfish, emotionless man who

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<v Speaker 1>thought nothing of murdering his wife and three children. But

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<v Speaker 1>that depiction is at odds with the Chris the people

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<v Speaker 1>closest to him claim to know. As we start to

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<v Speaker 1>unpack this case, it's important to understand who Vaughn was.

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<v Speaker 1>According to those who have known him his entire life

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<v Speaker 1>for more than thirty years. Before Christopher Vaughan was a

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<v Speaker 1>headlined villain and later a convicted killer, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>son and a brother. The eldest of three, Chris's creative

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<v Speaker 1>mind set him apart early on. Here's his brother Eric,

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<v Speaker 1>the younger by thirteen months.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I am definitely a middle child, which in my

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<v Speaker 7>definition as an instiator and in the moodlifter. Chris has

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<v Speaker 7>always been kind of a rock. He was the brains

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<v Speaker 7>of the three of us until a little brother got older.

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<v Speaker 7>But he would always be curious on technologies, and you know,

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<v Speaker 7>he took a part in my parents' first computer and

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<v Speaker 7>ended up blowing it up, which was not a good deal.

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<v Speaker 7>He was always curious as to, you know, how things

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<v Speaker 7>worked and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Being so close in age, Eric and Chris were excited

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<v Speaker 1>about the prospect of having a younger sibling, but only

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<v Speaker 1>a brother. Here's their dad, Pierre.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a time too that when we were living Indiana,

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<v Speaker 2>we found out Gail was pregnant with Adham. That the

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<v Speaker 2>boys huddled in their room for all morning and they

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<v Speaker 2>come out and they told Gails. They said, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>decided you need to have another boy, because we really

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<v Speaker 2>don't want a girl, and if we have a girl,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll have center back. Of course, they were like three

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<v Speaker 2>and four years old when that happened, so that was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Until recently, Air, who also goes by the nickname Pete,

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<v Speaker 1>kept busy as an estimator and product manager for a

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<v Speaker 1>large painting company. He shares his wife's love of all

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<v Speaker 1>things outdoors, given the activities they've just finished or are

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<v Speaker 1>about to set out on each and every time I

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<v Speaker 1>call I joke, they're the most active retired couple I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the youngest, Vaughan Adam's take.

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<v Speaker 8>I think my dad probably spearheads that no pun intended

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<v Speaker 8>with his enjoyment of the outdoors. He's always pres only

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<v Speaker 8>I can remember. He's always been into fishing, fishing and hunting,

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<v Speaker 8>just being outside, always doing something in the yard, whether

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<v Speaker 8>that's maintenance or or improvement. He doesn't sit still very well,

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<v Speaker 8>so out of doors was just always a really good

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<v Speaker 8>good place for him. He always said that he could,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, sit in a deer stand or or on

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<v Speaker 8>a boat fishing and just relax and decompressed from work

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<v Speaker 8>and all that. And he attempted to pass that love

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<v Speaker 8>of out of doors onto my brother's snary. We did

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<v Speaker 8>do a lot of fishing.

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<v Speaker 1>Growing up, Gail says. Chris had an interesting spin on that.

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<v Speaker 1>From an early age.

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<v Speaker 3>We taught the boys how to fish for catfish because

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<v Speaker 3>they were ponds only used for children to fish in.

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<v Speaker 4>But the fish didn't realize that they were in a.

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<v Speaker 3>Small pond, and they were very large catfish, and Chris

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<v Speaker 3>showed his brother how to catch one. After we caught

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<v Speaker 3>a couple, he watched them and he would he always

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<v Speaker 3>think of ways to make things better. So what he

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<v Speaker 3>did was he would lock his reel once he got

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<v Speaker 3>a bike, and he just turned to the shore and

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<v Speaker 3>run full speed, dragging the fish out of the water with.

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<v Speaker 1>Him so we wouldn't have to reel it in exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So all the other kids were watching him, going wow, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>So pretty soon there were other children doing the same things,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, the catch ratio was much better that way.

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<v Speaker 1>The von boys enjoyed a childhood of camaraderie and healthy competition.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Pierre.

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<v Speaker 2>The three boys were close, Chris and Eric. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they were always doing boy things, picking on each other

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. And they you know, those two

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<v Speaker 2>were close enough where they they would challenge each other

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<v Speaker 2>whether we were practicing archery or fishing or whatever. Typical boys,

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<v Speaker 2>they had to, you know, have a challenge all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was a competition. But no, they were always

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<v Speaker 2>great and they looked out after each other, and if

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<v Speaker 2>one of them needed help doing something, you know, Chris

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<v Speaker 2>would jump in and help them, and the other ones would.

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<v Speaker 2>To Adam come a few of the years later, but

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<v Speaker 2>they included him in the brotherhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris in particular, was a huge influence on his youngest brother.

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<v Speaker 8>Chris was quite a role model for most of my childhood.

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<v Speaker 8>Being five years older than I am, he was kind

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<v Speaker 8>of the trendsetter in the house. Being the oldest child,

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<v Speaker 8>he had to clear the path with the parents and

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<v Speaker 8>between Chris and my other brother, Eric, they were able

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<v Speaker 8>to explore both ends of the spectrum, which allowed me

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<v Speaker 8>to learn from their mistakes and successes and plot a

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<v Speaker 8>path right down the middle. I looked Chris a lot

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<v Speaker 8>for some of the direction during what I would consider

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<v Speaker 8>my formative years, simple things such as his passion for

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<v Speaker 8>soccer or his ability to buckle down and do well

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<v Speaker 8>in school.

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<v Speaker 1>Even now decades later, somewhat shadowed by the exhaustion and

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<v Speaker 1>sadness of the tragedy they've weathered. There's a fondness and

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<v Speaker 1>affinity for the bond the brothers have shared since childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again is Eric.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, we were pretty close to the three of us,

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<v Speaker 7>even with the age gap for a younger brother, but

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<v Speaker 7>we were the eighth team. Adam, Chris, Eric is what

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<v Speaker 7>we dubbed as kids, which is pretty cool. We didn't

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<v Speaker 7>have a lot of video games and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 7>We got creative, went outside and did stuff, played outside.

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<v Speaker 1>And tell me a little bit more about that. It

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<v Speaker 1>really sounds like your parents instilled a love of outdoor

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<v Speaker 1>activity for you guys. So just tell me how did

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<v Speaker 1>the outdoors kind of become your playground?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think what started at a pretty early age.

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<v Speaker 7>I was probably a five six seven range. On weekends,

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<v Speaker 7>usually either Saturday or Sunday, Mom and Dad would load

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<v Speaker 7>us up in the back of the pickup truck and

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<v Speaker 7>we go out to Bush Wildlife, which is a wildlife

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<v Speaker 7>area that has like forty some odd man made lakes,

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<v Speaker 7>and we'd spend the whole day fishing. If we got

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<v Speaker 7>board fishing, then we had brought games and stuff, so

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<v Speaker 7>we'd go back to the truck and play games, and

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<v Speaker 7>we'd have a picnic lunch. And as we got a

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<v Speaker 7>little older and parents trust us a little more, we

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<v Speaker 7>would go fishing. They it actually he could rent like

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<v Speaker 7>a John boat, but they wouldn't give us the trolley motor.

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<v Speaker 7>We had to row with oars. That was a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of fun. It was like the three Stooges in a boat.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Adam, that sense of humor wasn't limited to

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<v Speaker 1>the water.

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<v Speaker 8>Something comes to mind that makes me smile. Chris was

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<v Speaker 8>probably about medium height and build. Eric was a little

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<v Speaker 8>smaller and a little thinner, whereas I was always the

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<v Speaker 8>large one in the group. Always carried a little bit

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<v Speaker 8>more weight than I wanted to you, So for a

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<v Speaker 8>number of years there I was actually larger than Eric.

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<v Speaker 8>What Chris and Eric figured out is that one of

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<v Speaker 8>them could stand behind me. It was almost like a

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<v Speaker 8>ventriloquist skit where I would stand there and move my

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<v Speaker 8>mouth and then one of them would talk from behind me.

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<v Speaker 8>I was just kind of the teenage hijinks that we

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<v Speaker 8>got into.

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<v Speaker 1>The Vaughns all convey a functional family and a loving home. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>here's Adam.

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<v Speaker 8>I'd say we were a pretty tight knit family. Both

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<v Speaker 8>parents were engaged in seeing that my brothers and I

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<v Speaker 8>followed the rules and did our best to do whatever

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<v Speaker 8>it is that we were tasked with doing, whether that

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<v Speaker 8>be school or work or sports. My mom had the

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<v Speaker 8>opportunity to stay home most of my school years, so

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<v Speaker 8>she was around and involved. My dad worked, but he

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<v Speaker 8>did make the effort to still interact with us quite

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<v Speaker 8>a bit after work. He was, you know, a baseball

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<v Speaker 8>coach for Chris and Eric for quite some time. Cool

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<v Speaker 8>thing about that was it was it was kind of

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<v Speaker 8>a family thing, and I got to be the bat

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<v Speaker 8>boy for a number of years as well, so that

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<v Speaker 8>was one of the family type events that he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. It sounds like Gallon Pierre gave Chris and his

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<v Speaker 1>brothers an idyllic childhood. With three boys, you'd imagine there

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<v Speaker 1>would be the potential for a lot of fights or

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<v Speaker 1>physical altercation, but that was against family rules, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was also against Chris's nature. According to Gail, he was pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>Much kind of time and he wasn't a mean spirited person.

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<v Speaker 3>He still isn't.

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<v Speaker 8>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>The first rule of the house was you can't hit

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<v Speaker 3>the other person. You can holler at him, but you're.

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<v Speaker 5>Not supposed to knack anybody, So there was no physical

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<v Speaker 5>fights between them or anything. And they were all just

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<v Speaker 5>really good and work played well together all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>He was just so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing we found and Crispond's upbringing or history suggests a

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<v Speaker 1>predisposition or inclination towards any sort of violent behavior. His

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<v Speaker 1>mother recalls he had a special affinity towards animals.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that is true.

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<v Speaker 4>He's especially like cats, all kinds of cats, domestic panthers, tigers,

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<v Speaker 4>makes no difference, just as long as as a cat.

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<v Speaker 4>And he admired their abilities the most because they were independent,

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<v Speaker 4>They were great parents to their cubs. They have an

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<v Speaker 4>ability to observe and ponder before pouncing instead of like

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<v Speaker 4>a dog just rushing.

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<v Speaker 3>In growing up, that thing to be what he was.

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<v Speaker 4>Trying to strive for, as in his abilities to be

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<v Speaker 4>independent and to observe before he did something.

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<v Speaker 3>And we did have one.

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<v Speaker 4>Cat when he was growing up in Manchester along with

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<v Speaker 4>our great name. Her name was Stormy, and she was

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<v Speaker 4>just a regular domestic cat and Chris had a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of patients and he taught her to do tricks and

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<v Speaker 4>he taught her to sit up and wave, and he

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<v Speaker 4>could tell her to wave one paw or wave the

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<v Speaker 4>other paw, and then he also taught her to play fetch,

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<v Speaker 4>among other things. Those are the things I remember the most,

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<v Speaker 4>because it's kind of hard to get a cat to

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<v Speaker 4>bring you anything back unless they want to.

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<v Speaker 1>That patience and sensitivity seems to have gone hand in

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<v Speaker 1>hand with a bit of introversion. Many I've interviewed Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in his youth, as quiet and thoughtful.

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<v Speaker 3>There was one time in elementary school he was going

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<v Speaker 3>to be in a Christmas play and he was all

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<v Speaker 3>dressed out in his little outfit, and when it came

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<v Speaker 3>for him to go on to stage, he crawled under

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<v Speaker 3>his desk and stayed there. He didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 3>on the spotlight. But as he got older he got

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<v Speaker 3>a little better. Because he and a girl in junior

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<v Speaker 3>high for a speech contest, they did a like a

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<v Speaker 3>little skit about Mark Twain and he.

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<v Speaker 4>Did really, really, really well, and he started coming out

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<v Speaker 4>of his shell a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>That may have coincided a bit with teenage hormones and

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<v Speaker 1>Chris's growing effect on girls. Here's how Adam puts it.

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<v Speaker 8>He was definitely able to catch the eyes of the

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<v Speaker 8>fair sex. I was always envious to that as well.

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<v Speaker 8>As I said he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was.

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<v Speaker 8>He was kind of the goal of what I wanted

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<v Speaker 8>to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to Gail, Well, he enjoyed talking to girls.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, Chris was and is a very good looking

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<v Speaker 4>young man.

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<v Speaker 3>They would just do anything to talk to him. But

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<v Speaker 3>he really didn't date, so to speak. He was shy

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<v Speaker 3>at the dand says he didn't want to do that

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<v Speaker 3>and we didn't pressure it. But he would talk to

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<v Speaker 3>his girls on the phone, and it seemed like there

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<v Speaker 3>for a while he had all of his girlfriends were

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<v Speaker 3>the name of Christie, Kristen, Christy. He told me that

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<v Speaker 3>that was so if he said their name, they all

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<v Speaker 3>sounded the same and they wouldn't know he was talking

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<v Speaker 3>to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>But while he may have joked about it with his mom,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris wasn't overly comfortable with female attention.

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<v Speaker 4>No, They overwhelmed him sometime and he just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>took it, tried and treated him nicely, but.

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<v Speaker 3>He just did not single any one girl out, which

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<v Speaker 3>drove him crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then right before Chris's first year of college, he

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<v Speaker 1>finally met the girl who would end up breaking that pattern.

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<v Speaker 3>He and his brother Eric were working at a miniature

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<v Speaker 3>golf place and two girls came past this one girl

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<v Speaker 3>made a Tommy joy and he goes, oh, really, and

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<v Speaker 3>somehow he just picked her ball up and threw it

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<v Speaker 3>in the water.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, then she demanded he got here another mall, and

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<v Speaker 4>it seemed like he was just instantly smitten with her.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was just a click. He was just there.

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<v Speaker 1>That encounter wasn't just by chance. Through a mutual friend,

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<v Speaker 1>his brother Eric met the girl he thought Chris needed

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<v Speaker 1>to meet, and in a way, Chris's fate was sealed.

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<v Speaker 7>Vocally with introducing Chris to Kimberly. Through Kimberly's friend Colleen.

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<v Speaker 7>I knew Colleen from when I was in middle school.

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<v Speaker 7>At high school, her parents owned the golf driving range,

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<v Speaker 7>and that summer I was working as a painter's apprentice

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<v Speaker 7>from the company, my painting company my dad worked for

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<v Speaker 7>during the day, and then you know, I would go

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<v Speaker 7>from there to the golf driving range after they closed

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<v Speaker 7>and helped pick up golf balls. Well, one evening when

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<v Speaker 7>I was up there, Kim was up there visiting colleens.

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<v Speaker 7>So I got to talking with him and a little bit,

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<v Speaker 7>and then I went home, you know, next day, told

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<v Speaker 7>Chris that he really needed to come up and meet

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<v Speaker 7>this person. You know, I think he did work together.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though Kimberly was a bit older, Eric thought she'd

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<v Speaker 1>nicely balance Chris's more quiet, introspective nature.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, my first impression she was very bubbly. You could

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<v Speaker 7>see that she was pretty intelligent, just with the witty

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<v Speaker 7>comments that she would come back with when I was

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<v Speaker 7>making jokes or picking on her. Slender blonde several years

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<v Speaker 7>older than myself, so I wasn't unnecessarily interested, but I

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<v Speaker 7>could tell she had a really good personality and all

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<v Speaker 7>in all seemed to be like a nice person. That

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<v Speaker 7>was my first impression of her, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Once christ and Kimberly started hanging out, things progressed quickly.

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<v Speaker 7>They would come over and you know, she'd bring her

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<v Speaker 7>school books and stuff like that, and they would sit

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<v Speaker 7>in the front room and talk and you know, appear

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<v Speaker 7>to be doing homework er studying or whatever. He would

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<v Speaker 7>go see her in the evenings whenever he was available,

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<v Speaker 7>and you know, it was more frequent that they were

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<v Speaker 7>hanging out, so it was noticeable that, you know, they

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<v Speaker 7>were getting to know each other better.

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<v Speaker 1>Gail picks it up here.

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<v Speaker 3>From there, they started dating, I mean seriously dating, dinner, movies,

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<v Speaker 3>drive picnics, and going to her house a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris and Kimberly apparently became serious right.

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<v Speaker 4>Away instantly, I mean there was no in between, just

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<v Speaker 4>from just talking to all the girls to one.

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<v Speaker 1>But Pierre didn't necessarily feel they were an ideal match.

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<v Speaker 2>She was more or less the one decided that she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be with Chris and talking with Chris. Other

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<v Speaker 2>than having a good time when they were together, they

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<v Speaker 2>really had nothing in common.

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<v Speaker 1>Having raised Chris and his brothers to have strong and

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<v Speaker 1>active ethics, both in terms of work and recreation, Pierre

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<v Speaker 1>and Gail found Kimberly's inclinations more sedentary and cerebral.

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<v Speaker 2>With Chris, we had him doing so many different things,

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<v Speaker 2>and he worked at Summer help in construction. I had

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<v Speaker 2>him out in the field painting and delivering goods to

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<v Speaker 2>the painters, and so he got some construction experience. And

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<v Speaker 2>Kimberly's family their bookworms, their college people, and they never camped,

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<v Speaker 2>they hiked, they stayed in the house. When they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>studying or reading books, they were watching TV. So they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't outdoors people at all. So Chris was like this

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<v Speaker 2>amazing person that knew a lot about everything, and she

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<v Speaker 2>was very sheltered, so you know, that was another thing

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<v Speaker 2>that she liked about him.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to reiterate here that the Phillips family has

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<v Speaker 1>declined our request for an interview. What we are presenting

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<v Speaker 1>is the Bond's take on the dynamic between the young couple,

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<v Speaker 1>one in which they saw Chris as the protector, even

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<v Speaker 1>though he was younger than kim by two years.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris was always good night in shining armor. He was

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<v Speaker 3>always rescuing, and Kimberly came across as being very, very needy,

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<v Speaker 3>and she was always arguing with their parents, and she

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<v Speaker 3>was in tears about something that happened during the day,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was always trying to boister her up and

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<v Speaker 3>make her happy again and try to solve her problems.

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<v Speaker 1>And as Chris was heading to college, there was another

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<v Speaker 1>reason why the Bonds may have wanted that to be

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<v Speaker 1>his focus. Here's Adam.

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<v Speaker 8>I do remember a conversation between my parents and Chris

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<v Speaker 8>prior to Chris leaving for school in regards to Kimberly.

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<v Speaker 8>At that point, Chris was the first vawd that I

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<v Speaker 8>was aware of that attended college. My parents told him

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<v Speaker 8>pretty directly that they didn't anticipate his relationship with Kimberly

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<v Speaker 8>to be a long term the situation because they wanted

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<v Speaker 8>them to focus on school, and Chris, of course took

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<v Speaker 8>offense to that, as most hot blooded teenage boys will,

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<v Speaker 8>and said he would find a way to make it work.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever think in a million years that Chris

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<v Speaker 1>would come home from college and tell you guys he

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<v Speaker 1>was getting married.

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<v Speaker 8>No, well that's not entirely true. I remember one Friday

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<v Speaker 8>night at Pizza Hut, we had a conversation basically to

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<v Speaker 8>the effect that with three boys, this was my dad talking,

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<v Speaker 8>do you expect us at some point to be curious

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<v Speaker 8>and eventually to want to be a girl? It was

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<v Speaker 8>my dad's attempt at telling us to use protection if

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<v Speaker 8>we ever chose to go that group that got me thinking, oh, wow,

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<v Speaker 8>I guess my brothers are into things more advanced than

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<v Speaker 8>where I was.

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<v Speaker 1>During Chris's first and only year of college in Missouri,

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<v Speaker 1>he was traveling to see Kim fairly often. Here's Gail.

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<v Speaker 3>She was going to Missou at the time in Colombia,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was in Ralla, Missouri, so he would make

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<v Speaker 3>the trip quite often and not tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 3>There was just no way you could put a webs

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<v Speaker 3>between them.

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<v Speaker 1>And while Chris had traditionally done fairly well in school,

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<v Speaker 1>Gail believed his growing relationship with Kim started to change that.

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<v Speaker 3>Back in high school, all of his classes were honors classes.

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<v Speaker 3>He had been on the honor wall the entire high

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<v Speaker 3>school four years, and then once he got Durala and Kimberly, his.

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<v Speaker 4>Grades started showing signs of stress. His report cards were

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<v Speaker 4>terrible and he just couldn't concentrate.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting that Gail pointed out what she perceived from

0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:06.439
<v Speaker 1>Chris was stress rather than happiness, but academic achievements in

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 1>general represented very different goals to both families. Here's Pierre's

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 1>take on the Phillips.

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<v Speaker 2>They're basically professional students. They went to college and they

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<v Speaker 2>got their degrees, and they kept going back and got

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:24.359
<v Speaker 2>more degrees, and they eventually, you know, worked around the college.

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind, Chris was the first Bond to attend college,

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<v Speaker 1>while one of Kim's sisters obtained multiple graduate degrees. According

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 1>to the Vaughn family, the discrepancy left them feeling judged.

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<v Speaker 7>Here's Eric, especially Kim was one of Kim's sisters. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>even up into the anth that they happened in O seven,

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 7>she was still said doctorate in multiple master's degrees, and

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<v Speaker 7>to the lifelong student that pretty much ran on their

0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:01.920
<v Speaker 7>side of the family. I think with Susan being Kim's mother,

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 7>I believe she had a master's degree also in teaching.

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 7>If you didn't have that, you weren't good enough for

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:12.639
<v Speaker 7>anybody type attitude. I just let it roll off my

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 7>shoulder as they go, Well, I mean, you know, I'm

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:18.440
<v Speaker 7>not a book smart person. I'm more of a street smarts.

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.199
<v Speaker 7>You know, you show it to me once I can

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 7>stand up and give a presentation on it. Versus they

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:28.239
<v Speaker 7>were very much book smart individuals, especially.

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.119
<v Speaker 1>In the early stages of the relationship. The Vaughns didn't

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:35.080
<v Speaker 1>have many encounters with Kim's family, but when they did,

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 1>they felt definite discomfort. Eric recalls a holiday dinner they

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>attended at the Phillips home.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, we went over and we met Kimberly's parents for

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 7>the first time, and it was definitely an odd, odd family.

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 7>Her dad and her mom had a unique relationship coming

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 7>from my family and seeing their family is like, I

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 7>don't know how this works. And I remember thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 7>if I had to grow up in a house like this,

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 7>I wouldn't be home very much at all because I

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 7>wouldn't want to be here.

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Decades later, this is how he remembers that evening.

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<v Speaker 7>Jim's mom definitely ran the household. She was a teacher

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:22.199
<v Speaker 7>at a local high school. And Kim's dad, Dell, he

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 7>was a attorney X army guy, I believe, and he

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 7>was very submissive. She asked him to do anything, he'd

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:32.679
<v Speaker 7>jump up and just go run and do it. And

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 7>I had not ever seen, you know, married couple act

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 7>like that before. It was not cut the tension with

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 7>a knife type, but it was definitely awkward. My parents' opinion,

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 7>if I remember correctly, it was we're doing this for

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 7>Chris and Kim, we really don't want to be here

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 7>type thing, just because it just felt weird when you

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 7>were there. And Tim's mom couldn't cook with a darn, so,

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:06.480
<v Speaker 7>you know, my mom being a really good cook, and

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 7>which rubbed off on me, you know, very critical on

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<v Speaker 7>you know, the dishes that they chose to serve.

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<v Speaker 1>So Eric recalls the time frame of that meal was

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<v Speaker 1>odd too.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, we got there at like six o'clock. They waited

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<v Speaker 7>until we got there to actually start cooking it. In

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<v Speaker 7>my mind, I would have prepped the stuff because there's

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of like chopping and preparing that you could

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<v Speaker 7>have done ahead of time, but they didn't. They waited

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<v Speaker 7>until we got there to start cooking. So when we

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<v Speaker 7>got there, you know, Kimberly was helping her mom in.

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<v Speaker 7>Kim's dad, Dell, was in the living room watching TV,

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<v Speaker 7>and my parents and you know, I was kind of

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<v Speaker 7>bouncing back and forth instead of sitting in front of

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<v Speaker 7>the TV. But yeah, we came over to expecting dinner,

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<v Speaker 7>not to sitting awkwardly converse for almost three hours before eating.

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<v Speaker 1>Kim and Chris's relationship progressed in an equally awkward way

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<v Speaker 1>for both families. Here's Gail.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a very strong reaction. Chris came back on

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<v Speaker 3>Valentine's Day or Mother's Day and says, well, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to marry Kimberly because we're expecting and being the night

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<v Speaker 3>shining armor, he was going to take care of what

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<v Speaker 3>he had done. And I was very upset with him,

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<v Speaker 3>to say the least, that actually put a little rift

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<v Speaker 3>in between us for a while, but I got over

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<v Speaker 3>it because he was determined. He had a determination that

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<v Speaker 3>when he started something, he was going to finish it,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was actually looking forward to a family.

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Vaughan was nineteen. Pierre was upset to especially since

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<v Speaker 1>he believed Kimberly's father had been enabling the situation the

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<v Speaker 1>entire time without Gail or Pierre's knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>I had pretty much the same reaction as Gail did.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not happy with it. And then, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>we found out later that her father was driving her

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<v Speaker 2>down for the weekends and stuff like that and.

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<v Speaker 3>Just dropping her off and supposedly staying with a girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 3>but it never turned.

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<v Speaker 2>Out that way. Yeah, she was really staying in Chris's

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<v Speaker 2>dorm because his roommate was either staying with somebody else

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 2>or going home for the weekends and stuff like that.

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 2>And then one thing led to another and we were grandparents.

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<v Speaker 2>But like Gail said, you know, Chris took responsibility for

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<v Speaker 2>it and everything like that. Even though he was not

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 2>happy with the situation either, he wasn't going to walk

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<v Speaker 2>away from it.

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<v Speaker 1>We will be revisiting the unexpected nature of Kim's pregnancy

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<v Speaker 1>in another episode, but the time, Eric wasn't all that

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<v Speaker 1>aware of the real reason his older brother was getting hitched.

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<v Speaker 7>He didn't come out and tell me he was getting

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<v Speaker 7>married or the reason for getting married necessarily, but he

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<v Speaker 7>alluded to it, and you know, I kind of drew conclusion. Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>they've been dating for six, seven, eight months or so.

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<v Speaker 7>They seem to be pretty serious. I mean, that's natural progression.

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<v Speaker 1>Their wedding day perhaps included a slight foreshadowing of problems

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<v Speaker 1>to come.

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<v Speaker 7>The wedding itself went off without a hitch, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>when they got to the point of the pastor said

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<v Speaker 7>if anybody has objections, please say so now, and then

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<v Speaker 7>enlightening struck. That was a little awkward. It didn't rain.

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<v Speaker 7>It was just like a heat lighting or something like that.

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<v Speaker 7>So I made a big boom. He had beenished saying it,

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<v Speaker 7>and then within like ten seconds, you know, it happened.

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<v Speaker 7>It was just like, okay, that's weird. Everyone kind of

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 7>looked around at each other and kind of, you tell

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 7>everyone a snicker in a little bit amongst themselves, but

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<v Speaker 7>standing up in the front looking back on everybody in attendance, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was kind of funny he was still a teenager. But

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<v Speaker 1>Chris brought that same driven ethic he'd applied to academics

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<v Speaker 1>and life in general into his marriage. Here's Pierre.

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<v Speaker 2>He responded very well. He was working full time and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to upgrade his job up times a year. It

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty amazing because he would change jobs, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>half dozen times a year just to improve himself, and

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<v Speaker 2>every time he did he made more money. But as

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<v Speaker 2>far as taking responsibility, Jim really didn't cook, so after

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<v Speaker 2>work he would come home and cook the meals and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>As newlyweds, Chris and Kim weren't quite able to afford

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<v Speaker 1>their own place at first, especially with a baby on

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<v Speaker 1>the way. Here again is Eric.

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<v Speaker 7>Once they got married, they stayed with Dell and Susan

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<v Speaker 7>for quite a while they didn't have their own place,

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<v Speaker 7>and then at some point in time they stayed with

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 7>my parents. My dad and I and Chris. We made

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 7>an apartment with a full bathroom in the basement at

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:17.439
<v Speaker 7>my parents' house. They kind of kept to themselves when

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 7>they were there in the house. They were downstairs, and

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 7>I really didn't go down and bug them too often.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's Gail's take they had nowhere to stay and they

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 3>had no money, so we had a downstairs apartment, a

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:33.720
<v Speaker 3>one bedroom, and that's where they stayed until two days

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 3>before they induced our granddaughter's birth, and after that they

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 3>stayed with Kimberly's mom and dad, and Kimberly's mom and

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:49.399
<v Speaker 3>dad were overly protective and didn't really let anybody come

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 3>and visit.

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<v Speaker 1>According to both Pierre and Gale, Kim's family started to

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:57.279
<v Speaker 1>edge out the bonds from the young couple's lives, and

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>they perceived it as judgmental.

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Basically, Kimberly's parents attitude towards Chris and our family was

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 2>that we were the people who lived on the other

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<v Speaker 2>side of the tracks, and we were dumb and illiterate

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 2>because we didn't have college educations, and that.

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 3>Was a big deal in their family. College.

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Apparently Kimberly didn't escape that judgment either.

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Actually, they looked down on Kimberly because she hadn't gotten

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 3>a diploma on some specific venue. She never followed her

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:40.839
<v Speaker 3>master's or did any dissertations to create anything, so her

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 3>parents actually treated her just like they treated us at times.

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<v Speaker 1>After Abigail was born, Gail says Kim's parents quickly turned

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<v Speaker 1>into gatekeepers of sorts, making it hard for the Bonds

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<v Speaker 1>to visit.

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<v Speaker 3>My parents were still alive and at the time of

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 3>the birth of Abigail, and we were all so very excited,

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 3>and my parents came up to celebrate and come and

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 3>see the baby, and we were actually turned away at

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 3>the door of Kimberly's moms, saying that they were busy

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:20.840
<v Speaker 3>and they didn't have time to see them us, which

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:24.399
<v Speaker 3>my mom was broken hearted. Pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>The Vaughan say they weren't even allowed to visit until

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<v Speaker 1>months after the baby was born, at.

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<v Speaker 6>Least two or three months, so she was probably three

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<v Speaker 6>months old when we really started to get to see her,

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<v Speaker 6>because that's when Kim's mom said it was okay for

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:42.760
<v Speaker 6>them to come out and visit the world.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to restricting access, Gale and Pierre claimed Kimberly's

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 1>mom asserted an odd control over the way Ken and

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Chris parented.

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<v Speaker 2>Kimberly's moms had weird ideas under things, baby shouldn't be

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 2>in sunlight, the baby shouldn't drink water, this, you know things.

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 2>It was just very strange.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually things loosened up and Gale and Pierre were able

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.919
<v Speaker 1>to visit as often as they could. Kim and Chris

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>had finally gotten a place of their own, just in

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>time for more news.

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't too long after that that they moved out of

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<v Speaker 2>Shorty's parents' house and and got an apartment, and so

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 2>then we could we could come over and see the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just Abigail at the time, and then we

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:36.919
<v Speaker 3>found out that and was pregnant with the Sandy. Then

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<v Speaker 3>Chris just kept building from there, and he decided that

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<v Speaker 3>the apartment that he had was not big enough, so

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<v Speaker 3>they he took it upon himself to get a house built.

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<v Speaker 1>The kids came quickly. They're firstborn, Abigail, and their second Cassandra,

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<v Speaker 1>were born just a year apart. Chris applied an equally

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 1>accelerated approach to applying for employment, a typical but effective.

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<v Speaker 4>First he applied for a job, and it wasn't just

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 4>a small job, it wasn't a fast food. He was

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<v Speaker 4>going for executive status at major companies, and for some

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 4>reason they would call him back and they send us

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 4>your resume. He says, no, I would rather have a

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 4>face to face, and he never used a resume.

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<v Speaker 3>What he did was he researched the company, he would

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 3>find weaknesses within the company. Then when he was at

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:34.919
<v Speaker 3>the face to face, he would advise on.

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<v Speaker 4>How to strengthen or relieve the weaknesses, and he would

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 4>actually just sell himself on how valuable he was on

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<v Speaker 4>fixing their problem and darning he got hired every single.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, even without a college degree, Chris would quickly create

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 1>an impressive career that would bring affluence to his young family. Unfortunately,

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the couple's relationship would not be as successful. On the

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<v Speaker 1>next murder in Illinois, Kim and Chris present as a

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<v Speaker 1>picture perfect family with behind closed doors, their marriage is

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<v Speaker 1>marred by dysfunction and the stress of Chris's career.

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<v Speaker 2>When nobody else was around, that dark side would come out.

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<v Speaker 3>We noticed Chris turning more into a loner. He would

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 3>be in the family, but he wouldn't laugh and be

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<v Speaker 3>as happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Kimberly's parents said, if you do you ever mistreat my daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>or if you ever divorced my daughter, or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll regret it for the rest of your life.

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