WEBVTT - Ep. 239: Kale Does Not Love You Back 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.680 bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening Hunt podcast, 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:22.440 you can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:26.120 are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.960 the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store, 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:36.720 nor where you stand with on X. Okay, we're here 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:38.800 with Dr Paul Saladino in the first and we'm to 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.760 top about that. I get that right, You got it? Man? Um? 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.680 Why why are we tell people what we're having in 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.120 pillform right now? So my my hope was that I 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.920 would get everybody a little bit buzzed on liver pills 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.760 before we got started on this podcast. So these are 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:58.600 desiccated organs. The first uh sampling, it's like a tasting, 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.200 like you go to a wine bar, a beer house. 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.280 You've got a sampling, a tasting. So I brought two 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.800 different vintages today. We've got the bone marrow and liver pills. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:10.160 Steve is over here sniffing them, smelling mind eating them. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.640 I have twelve to eat, twelve to eat. So the 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.920 first vintage is bone marrow and liver from grass fed, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.360 grass finished cattle raised in New Zealand on regenerative farms. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:24.479 And the second vintage is beef organs, which consists of heart, liver, kidney, spleen, 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.800 and pancreas from similarly raised cattle in New Zealand. And 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.280 these are super interesting for me because, um, a lot 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.759 of people don't understand how valuable organs are. I think 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.520 as a hunter, you guys probably get this. Or if 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.960 you think about the way that indigenous people and hunter 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:44.200 gatherers have eaten animals throughout antiquity, they eat them, nose, 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.640 the tail, they eat the whole animal right, nothing is wasted, 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.800 and a lot of the organs are sacred. They're regarded 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.560 as sacred. This New War tribe in Africa. They're super tall, 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.760 even the women are like above six ft. They think 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.639 of liver as too sacred to be touched by human hands. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.760 But it's just regard. They've they've realized over generations that 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.400 if they feed the organs specifically things like liver and 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:09.240 spleen and pancreas and heart, their warriors get strong, the 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.400 young people are fertile, they have healthy babies. It's just 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.600 by trial and error they've realized, Hey, there are unique 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:17.960 nutrients in these organs. And what's so interesting for me 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.000 about this is the way that we become optimally healthy 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.919 humans and how much of this we're missing in our diets. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.560 So I'm a doctor, I think about nutrition. I think 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.520 about nutritional adequacy, vitamins, minerals, where we get them. And 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.440 one of the most striking things that I've encountered in 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.680 writing this book, the Carnivore Code, we'll talk about it today, 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.640 is that, Hey, a lot of the nutrients that you 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.720 find when you're eating animal meat and organs are pretty 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:42.080 difficult to find elsewhere in our diets, which really speaks 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:46.080 to this evolutionary program, this evolutionary blueprint that humans have 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:50.239 to eat animals and in their entirety throughout our whole existence. 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.239 And so one of the passioning projects that I developed 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.679 was this company called Heart and Soil to make these 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.840 descated organ supplements for people who can't access the organs 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.200 or who don't want to eat the organs. Because if 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.520 you've ever seen a pancreas, it looks like a little alien. 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.240 I mean, you can eat it, but a lot of 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:06.960 people won't do it. But I still want to be 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.120 able to get people this good nutrition. It's like my 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.840 sister's kids, niece and nephew, and my parents and my grandparents. 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.080 They're probably not gonnaed a pancreas for a spleen, but 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:19.680 they'll take these pills. And so everybody in this room 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.000 is now getting a little bit buzzed on the unique 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.800 nutrients found in these two rare vintages that I brought 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.120 when I was When I was a little boy, and 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.600 you got into an argument about vegetarianism, you'd be like, 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.200 you can't be a vegetarian because you won't get BE 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.839 twelve right or vegan or whatever. But then I read 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.760 that you get enough B twelve off insect contamination in 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.080 your produce, So like, what is not? But what is 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:50.160 it that you need? Uh? I got a thousand questions? No, 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.480 queen back, hold that question, okay, because I want yan 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:56.160 you to to tell you about his special pills. All right, Oh, Steve, 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.800 want me tell you about how I think it was 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:05.000 our first born. We took the cent, love it and 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:09.080 had it turned basically into a pill. But yeah, but 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.119 it was like witchcraft and hate the pills. I didn't 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.360 I didn't eat. It was kind of like witchcraft more 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:21.000 than like health right, Like it was like spiritual metaphysical. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.200 It wasn't like good for your health. Well, I think 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.359 it's kind of I know, I think it was the latter. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.039 It was meant to be good for your health. Yeah, 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.960 it was more like metaphysical in nature. I think it's 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.680 kind of both. I think that a lot of the 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:37.839 stories around the organs came from observed health benefits. People think, oh, 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.600 we eat the heart, it makes me strong, and that's 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.279 interesting because there's extra coins. I'm key ten and heart. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:44.720 So I think the question you were going to ask 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.320 was what are the unique nutrients and animal foods or 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.480 what are they? What do you because I know about 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.080 B twelve right best. Everybody knows that one, right, but 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.799 the list is really really long. This is so fascinating. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.800 So one of the interesting ideas that I've come across 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.440 in this this sort of this realm of carnivore and 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.560 animal based diets is that if you look at plants 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.040 and you look at what we can get nutritionally from plants, 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.000 there are no nutrients and plants. And this is gonna 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.680 sound crazy, but it's true. There are no nutrients and 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.240 plants that we cannot get from animals if we eat them. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.680 Nose to tail, meaning if we eat yeah, but the 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.000 reverse is not true. There are so many unique nutrients 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.920 and animal foods eating nose to tail that you cannot 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.479 get from plants. And BE twelve, which is a molecule 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.279 called kobol amen, is just one of them. And it's 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.320 really a myth that you can get enough BE twelve 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.760 to have adequate methylation and all these other physiologic processes 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.320 you need in your body from just animals on your produce. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.039 That doesn't happen. You really should eat animal foods, but 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:48.760 the list is very long. You guys, sort of creatine creatine, 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.400 and so it's a molecule that your body makes, but 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.000 it only makes a small amount, and you get creatine 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.000 and muscle, meat and liver and things like this, and 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.320 then carnaentine, coaline, carnesceine, and serene toriine. I can talk 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.560 about any of these, Vitamin K two. The list is 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.839 a long. There's probably about nine to ten unique nutrients 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.039 just that we know about that we need to be 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.800 optimal humans, and there's medical studies on all of them 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.800 showing this has this benefit, this has this benefit, and 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.799 we only get them from eating animal organs and meat. 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.760 So a question that will ask people is and this 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.800 is just a question that a doctor would ask somebody 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:23.640 because it's a nerdy question. Where do you get your 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:28.360 ribe of flavan? Man? I don't know. I think it's 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:32.640 been special k don't they advertise? Yeah, I was gonna 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.440 say something Breakfast Cereals something. There's a breakfast cereal company 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.560 that started to introduced Americans to the idea of rival flavor. 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.320 I don't know what it is, but I accepted that 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.800 I need it. Right, well, you definitely need it. Rabit 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.200 flav is vitamin B two and if we get it 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:51.320 in a synthetic form, it's two different molecules. This gets 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.360 a little a little complex. I don't want to get 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:54.760 too in the weeds here, but there are a lot 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.479 of the molecules. A lot of these vitamins have like 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.520 mirror images when we synthesize them, but in nature they 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.280 only exist is one form. It kind of look. They're 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.520 called a nanti umors, or these mirror images that look 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.360 like your hands. You know, they're not the same image, 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.440 but there there are a mirror image, but you can't 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.600 overlay them right, So there's a they have what's called chirality. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.600 They're in antiums, and when you synthesize vitamins like riva 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.120 flavor in the lab, you get both in antiumers, but 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.600 in the natural world only one of them is occurring, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.160 so the riva flavor and you get in liver. Liver 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.240 and heart are the main place that humans have gotten 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.880 ribe of flavoran throughout our evolution, and it's a nutrient 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.280 that's critical for humans to do a process called methylation, 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.520 for our biochemistry to work right, for us to make 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.760 sex hormones and your transmitters, and to have energy metabolism. Basically, 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.080 to feel as good as possible and experience life as 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.280 richly as we can, we need these little micro nutrients. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.680 And when you get the ribe of flavor made in 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.160 the lab from special K, this other mirror image can 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.680 block what the actual biological molecules supposed to do. So 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.560 the takeaway here is that the real form of the 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.600 vitamin quote unquote, real form that occurs in natural food 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.840 is always better. It's a concept that's not too far 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:02.280 from our intuition, but it's you know, corroborated by science. 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.000 So yeah, you can get a little ribe of flavor 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.720 or a little bit of full eight from your special 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.160 k but the versions you find in real food, especially 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:14.080 animal foods, are much more utilized and easily utilized and 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.400 help us become better individuals. I mean, that's what's so 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.600 fascinating to me as a doctor. How do we kick 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.080 the most assess humans? How do we enjoy this life, 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.320 these short eighty five years that we get on this planet. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.560 If you're if you're lucky, right, if you're lucky. Yeah. 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.160 I start a new guy the other day and his 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.400 dad all of a sudden died at seventy two. I'm like, 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.040 I don't like here. I'm at the point where I 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:36.640 don't like hearing that kind of stuff. How old are 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.880 your parents? Well, my mom, my dad died of eighty. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.040 My mom's eight. You know, Okay, so your parents have 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.400 gotten I mean, your dad lived eighty years, your mom 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.319 has lived a good life. My parents are both seventy. 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.280 And it's thinking you start to think about mortality when 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.760 your parents get close to that that age. And I 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.560 told you I was walking around a graveyard here in 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.559 bos Montana last night. That's what I do when I 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.080 come to new towns. Not all time, but I like 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.320 thinking about that stuff up. And we were looking at 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.160 grave sites from people from eighteen ninety and you know, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.440 even nineteen o six, and you think what happened? What 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.920 was their life back then like? And mortality is clarifying. 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.920 But they've sat around talking about how this place got 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:19.199 too crowded and went to ship and you know, you think, wow, 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.440 what was it like? But it also reminds you I'm 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.800 gonna die one day. And I think it's a doctor 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.600 who started out as somebody that just liked to be outside. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.800 I'm kind of straddling both worlds. I want to live 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:32.319 as well as I can. And that's why I went 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.920 to medical school was that I enjoyed doing things outside. 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.199 I enjoyed hike in the Pacific Crest Trail. I threw 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.080 hiked it when I was twenty one years old, and 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.800 I've been, you know, like a casual mountaineer for a 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.920 long time. I love backcountry skiing, and I thought, man, 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.280 this is a beautiful life. I love being outdoors. How 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.440 do I do this for as long as possible? I 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.280 want to serve and ski and climb ounce for as 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.240 long as possible. And that's why I think human health 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.240 is fascinating. And I think that if we can understand 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.760 how humans are really programmed to eat. We get to 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.679 do the those things longer. You guys get to go 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.000 on expeditions longer and hunt animals in a beautiful way, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.040 and you just get to have more fun in life 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.840 when you get your ribe of flavor. Yeah. I remember 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:16.120 reading about um hide hunters like commercial hunters on the 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:21.720 Texas planes and how there's there's there's a reference to 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.160 how they would just eat like the finer cuts on 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:28.120 animals and they would get nutrient deficiencies and they had 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.280 to learn um they had learned he had to eat 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.679 all this stuff, had to eat the organs, and they 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.120 would like put bile, they would put bile on meat 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.720 and do all these things. Just eat as much stuff 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:42.400 as they could, and they found that they would get 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.640 better health than if they were just eating like just 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:50.880 eating backstrap exactly like the tongues. And that happens today too. 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:52.760 I mean we see that over and over and within 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.160 the carnivore animal based community, you see that. I work 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.959 with people who just eat the muscle meat because that's 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.199 all we're really used to today, and they get full 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.200 eight deficiency and you get all kinds of things that 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.640 don't really go that well, but if he knows the tail, 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.760 you feel really good, which is why a lot of 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.000 times when people do things like the desiccated liver supplements 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.800 or eat fresh liver, they get a little buzz. So 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:15.480 any minute now the buzz is going to be kicking 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.520 in for you guys. So you guys are probably pretty good, 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.839 you're tuned in. But this is I think that what's 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.239 so interesting is these trappers, these hide hunters, didn't understand 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.200 what the Native Americans did, right, because the Native Americans 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.520 knew that they ate these animals, these animal organs. They 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.040 ate the animal fat, they ate the kidney fat, which 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.599 we call the suett the perinetric fat. They ate the 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.360 gall bladder. There's all these stories of kids, and you know, 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.160 indigenous cultures using the gall bladder like salt because it's salty, 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.160 and they'll squirt the bile on meat and stuff, and 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.720 there's valuable nutrients throughout it. But it makes all of 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.400 us kind of go d it's gross. And so I 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.360 really think that a lot of the illness that we 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.400 suffer today as humans, a lot of the chronic disease, 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.120 a lot of the non optimal living that we do, 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.200 it is because of these nutrient deficiencies. And so that's 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:00.800 why it's cool to get to do this work, because 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.640 it's so awesome to get an email back from somebody 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.560 who's who says things like I have so much more energy, 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.920 my libido is better, I lost weight, I can sleep now, 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.400 or my autoimmune disease went away. When they make dietary changes, 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.439 the first of which is probably including these organs in 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.160 their diet. And we can talk about other dietary changes 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:19.960 you might make to get that way. But that's what's 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.480 really cool, and it's this sort of ancestral wisdom that's 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.800 been lost. I I gotta hear my first question before 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:28.240 we get into details, and no one I want to 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.240 talk about your diet too. But here's my first question. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:34.120 Is there's a criticism of American society today that we 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.440 don't agree on, that we no longer agree on the 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:44.520 objective realities, right, that there's two versions of truth um 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.880 or multiple versions of truth. When I think that we 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.840 have this nostalgic attitude that once upon a time there 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.520 was only like one version of truth, and I wonder 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.160 is it infiltrated diet? Like I don't remember when I 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.240 was a little kid, I don't remember there being like 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.920 two versions of what healthy. What was healthy? I think 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.319 everybody knew, like the food pyramid, and they're sort of like, 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.520 I get it, I'm not gonna do it, but I 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.080 accept that that's correct. But we've now entered into a 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.720 spot where you can have a version of reality being 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.640 that meats really bad for you, and it's healthy to 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.600 be a vegetarian because meat kills you, and that's by 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.520 some people accepted like, well, no, that's that's objectively true, 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.480 that's categorically true. You might choose to eat meat because 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.160 you don't have self control or you're a glutton or whatever, 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.719 but we all know that that's right. And then you 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.000 have another group of people being like, oh no, no no, no, no, 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.600 fat and meat, it's an objective reality that it's good 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.560 for you. You might not do that because you have 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:45.280 a sugar addiction or you have a problem with animal ethics, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.360 but we all know that this is actually true. Like 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.960 how do people pick? Like who's right? There's only one 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.440 where you so so right, there there's one, but who's 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.600 who's is the one? That's why I do what I do, man, 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:58.360 That's why I do what I do. I think that 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.720 truth is truth is what we're after. And I really 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:03.199 love you bring this up because I think this is 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:04.800 a little bit of an insidious notion that there are 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.079 multiple versions of truth. There's only one version of truth, 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.360 and either what I'm saying is right or what the 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.600 plant based people are saying is right. And that's why 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.200 I do what I do, because I believe with every 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.880 fiber of my being that humans have been eating meat 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.600 throughout our entire evolution. We can get into this and 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.200 that it's essential for human health. And in the book 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.320 and the Carnivore Code, I break down why have we 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.480 been told that meat is not bad, not good for us? Right? 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.440 I can tell you why it's not good for you? Well, 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.440 can get like get what else it to? Elvis Presley 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.720 died and they found a giant burger and his coling 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.160 like you can't digest. But I always feel like why 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.520 do I feel? I always wonder why I feel so 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.200 good when you eat something that's so bad for you, 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.320 Like I like, I don't even know that I'm dying, 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.320 Like I feel like I'm great. You feel amazing. And 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.400 I hear that all the time from people who email 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.400 me at hard and Soil because you know you can 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.120 email me there if you have questions. And people say, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.120 I feel so good when I eat liver, I get high, 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.119 I get a little buzz, I I feel these nutrients. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.680 And conversely, there's a little bit there's a little bit 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.560 of selection bias here in terms of who emails me 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.960 with these stories. People email me and say, hey, doc, 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.080 my my doctor recommended that I go on a plant 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.840 based diet because X Y Z and I just feel 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:15.920 like garbage. My energy is down and don't feel good. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:17.480 I'm gaining weight, And I go, yeah, it's because you're 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.080 eating the junk. You're eating survival food. So that's why 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:22.600 I do what I do is because I feel like 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.240 there are objective truths that need to be understood, and 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.280 so probably for the rest of my life, this will 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.920 be my life's work, is helping people of all walks 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.680 of life, of all vocations understand the science that I've seen. 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.880 And I'll be debating vegans and plant based people forever, forever, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.040 trying to help people understand that what they're saying, in 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.840 my opinion, is so badly mistaken and the reason you're misled. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:46.920 I suppose you understand this, but the reason a lot 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.000 of people are mislead is because of epidemiology, and we 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:51.680 can get into what that is and why the science 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.480 is not all the same, but there's it's not being 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.560 sold to us accurately. We're being told things that are 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.640 based on studies that are servational, they're not actually interventional, 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.040 real science, and it's very hard for someone that's not 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.440 a medical doctor or a medical researcher to understand that. 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.760 So we are being misled. And what's cool is that 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.640 I think that people will eventually realize what you've realized. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.640 If you eat animal meat and organs from well raised animals, 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.560 you are going to thrive. You're gonna feel good, your 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.680 kids are gonna be healthy, you're gonna be fertile, you're 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.200 gonna have a healthy baby. Your depression might get better. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.080 I've seen autoimmune disease get better. And you're gonna go, 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.080 wait a minute, there's so much cognitive ausness here. How 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.360 can this be bad for me? And I want to 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.240 be the voice or one of the voices who says 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.400 it's not bad for you, and that spark comes on 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.000 in your brain and you go, of course, it's not 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.080 bad for me. I'm being misled. This is bad information. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.080 I don't necessarily believe that there are evil people out 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.160 there or that they're trying to do harm. I just 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.760 think that people are not they're not thinking about it properly. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.960 In the plant based world, where did it come from? 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.000 Like where, Like I don't even know what year it 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.600 was or approximately the all of a sudden that because 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.400 I grew up thinking, you know what, if I just 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.720 a broccoli probably every day, all day, maybe an apple, 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.400 I'd be like the ma is healthiest person in the world, right, 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.399 Like because the food pyramid? Man? Was it just the 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.919 food pyramid? That's the earliest thing I remember is you 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:11.879 had to like fill in that little pyramid. I don't know. 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.600 I mean, I don't know. I'm guessing. But where is 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.119 this as a society did it? I think we know 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.080 it because if you go back to its three generations, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.680 it wasn't that way, right, you go back to your 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.840 parents parents, they understood that meat was valuable, and that 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.159 meat was something that was more expensive because it was 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:31.440 more valuable nutritionally. It's really only in the last seventy years, 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.240 and you can trace it back to ansel keys in 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.879 the nineteen sixties. There's a series of epidemiology studies that 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:41.119 were done that began to vilify saturated fat, and I 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.240 was just about to do that. So epidemiology is observational research. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.080 It's a survey. They're going to take a thousand or 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.359 ten thousand people in hand them a survey that says, 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.480 what did you eat for the last ten years, how 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.600 much McDonald's, how many steaks, how many French fries, how 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.239 many of these things? You know, how many things did 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.280 you eat like this? And then they're gonna look at 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.960 how healthy those people are. And in Western countries, in 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.720 Western countries, that's a really important point because I'll contrast 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.800 it with Eastern countries in a moment. But in Western countries, 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.840 if you do that epidemiology today and like we've been 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.040 doing it for the last fifty to sixty years, oftentimes 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.840 you will see an association, a correlation between people eating 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:22.840 red meat and adverse health outcomes. But we know, yeah, 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.920 we know, correlation does not causation make We can't draw 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:31.600 a causative inference from a correlation. And these epidemiology studies, 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.840 these observational studies, were never meant to do that. They 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.080 were meant to degenerate a hypothesis, a guess which you 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.560 then test with interventional studies, And interventional studies with red 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.080 meat have been done, they're just never talked about on 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.080 the evening news. We'll get to those. They don't show 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:49.240 any problems with meat, But the epidemiology studies show often 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.760 not all the time, but often in Western countries with 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:57.000 Western narratives, that meat is associated with bad outcomes. Now 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.359 here's the question I have for you, guys. How many 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.920 times have you you've been to a barbecue and seen 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.159 someone only eat meat? They just eat a hamburger patty. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:06.919 They don't need anything else with it. There's no catchup, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.400 there's no bun, there's no mayonnaise, there's no French fries, 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.840 there's no cold slaw, there's no potato salad. How many 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:13.879 times you ever seen that happen? How many times have 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.280 you ever seen someone walking to McDonald's and just get 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.480 a hamburger patty five year old and bought him a 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.040 hot dog and only gave him the hot dog. You 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.880 might see that result, right, right, maybe, but he might 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.439 eat the bun. He might you might wonder later like 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.040 what happened to the bunks? He's just standing there at 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.320 the hot I think at the height of atkins. I 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.760 might have seen it once for a restaurant or someone 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.639 literally just ate two two hamburger patties on that plate. Right, 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:39.440 I've never seen it, but you get my point, right, 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:44.240 People who eat meat generally we because we have been told, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.400 because you guys have heard this narrative. You just told me. 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:48.960 We've been told a narrative throughout our whole life for 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.040 the last sixty years that red meat is bad for you. 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.560 So who eats red meat. It's people that are out 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:55.840 there and they're ape hangers on the harley with tats 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.840 and the Hell's Angels or the hot you know, wild hogs. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.920 They're doing other rebellious stuff. They're looking at this health 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.800 advice and going, I don't care about health advice. I'm 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:05.880 going to discard that health advice and every other piece 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.120 of health advice there is. I'm not going to exercise, 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.199 I'm not gonna get a colonoscope or a mammograham. I'm 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.920 gonna smoke, I'm gonna ride this motorcycle. I'm not gonna 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:14.919 get in the sun. I'm gonna eat French fries with 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:19.320 my hamburgers, drink alcohol. And so this is the problem. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:24.080 You can't epidemiology studies cannot differentiate the meat from everything 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:25.879 that gets eaten with the meat. And how often do 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:27.639 things get eaten with the meat that might also be 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:29.919 causing problems. And we can get into this, and I 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.760 think that the real the real problem, and this will 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.760 be interesting free listeners here. The real problem is not 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.119 the meat. It's not the liver, it's not the hamburgers. 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.399 The real problem is the processed food. And the reason 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.280 the processed food is bad is because of process vegetable oils. 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.200 And we can get into that when the time has come. 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.600 But fast is vegged boils and little leic acid, like 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.600 this is the real thing driving problems. And if you 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.359 look at meat, it is so often eaten with vegetable oils, 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.680 and so many processed foods have these vegetable oils and 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.240 the linoleic acid, which is a complex word in there. 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:00.879 So that's a alto the rabbit hole we have to 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.159 go down. But the point is people eat a lot 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:04.520 of junk food. They had a lot of sugar, they 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:06.000 eat a lot of bread, need a lot of alcohol 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:10.399 and cigarettes with meat, and epidemiology can't differentiate. But every 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.840 time you or I or anyone, here's on the news 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:17.760 red meat is associated with X. That word is associated. 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:20.680 You will never hear on the news red meat causes 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:24.119 because if you actually look at the interventional studies, the 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.880 studies where they actually go to a laboratory or they 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:28.800 take people and they do they do an interventional trial. 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.040 They'll take a hundred people and they're saying, okay, this 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:32.760 study has actually been done and I referenced it in 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:34.880 the book. They said, okay, we want you to remove 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.399 we want you to remove two fifty calories from your 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.720 diet of carbohydrates, and we're gonna have you put in 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:42.639 eight ounces of red meat per day. And they follow 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:44.840 those people with the control groups. They have two groups. 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.320 One group has eight ounces of red meat half a pound, 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.280 pretty substantial amount of red meat in their diet extra 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.680 per day. The other group has diet as usual and 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.520 they follow them for eight, six, ten weeks and they 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.520 look at the end of the study, the group with 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.440 more red meat is better. They have lower inflammatory markers, 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:04.879 lower inflammatory market. I'm getting the buzzs. I can't tell 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:06.359 if it's from the liver pills or because of what 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:11.080 you're telling because you're so excited about meat. Well, many 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.120 things given me a buzz and you haven't even gotten 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:17.080 into it yet. But um, I recently switched and started cooking. 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.000 When I fry fish, I fry it and be fat, 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.359 don't I switched. And here's the thing. Every time I 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:28.640 fired that thing up, I feel guilty, but I also 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:30.560 feel like, but I just want this. I like it 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:32.960 better and it's better. But I feel like something the 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.080 back of my heads tell me I'm being bad, and 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.080 I'm always doing like what I think it makes sense. 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.040 It's like, there's what I think, like as a human 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.960 being who studies sort of human history, world history, whatever, 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:45.920 like I do things that I think makes sense, right, 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.800 I can just see it, But then I'm always in 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:50.960 the back of my head is like that someone told 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.359 me that it's bad, but it goes against what my 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:55.359 general tendency would be. Like if I could take an 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.520 animal and it has fat on it and nothing's just 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:00.639 been out like feeding on grass, it has fat, and 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:03.000 I make an oil from that, It's like, I'm like, 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:07.000 it's hard for me to picture that. That's worse for 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.800 me than some ship a chemist made, and it's it's 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:11.359 just hard for me to get there. But I'm like, 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.360 but I have to accept that it's true, because I've 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:17.479 been told kind of exactly. And so before nineteen eleven, 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:19.680 there was no such thing as vegetable oil. In fact, 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:23.600 before eighteen sixty five, So in eighteen sixty five, cotton 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.880 seed oil was made from cotton seeds. These are not food. 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:30.840 Nobody eats cotton seeds. In nineteen eleven, Crisco was founded 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.720 and they started making vegetable oil. And ever since, between 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.240 eighteen sixty five and nineteen eleven, human health got a 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:38.520 little bit worse. But between nineteen eleven and now we've 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.800 just absolutely we've tanked. If you look at the rates 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:43.760 of diabetes, if you look at the rates of chronic disease, 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.560 they are skyrocketing in the last hundred years, and they're 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.040 really going up since the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties. 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:52.960 And so vegetable oil was not even a thing. It 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.520 didn't even exist. Our ancestors, our parents and grandparents really 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:59.239 are great grandparents. And like the early eighteen hundreds, all 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.200 those people who died and they were in that cemetery 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:02.960 last night that I saw who died in eighteen eighty, 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.400 they were not eating vegetable oil. It didn't even exist. 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.080 They were eating tallow and lard, and the pigs that 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.080 were making that large we're not fed on corn and soy. 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:12.439 They were just fed on you know, things pigs are 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:16.840 supposed to eat, but the talents, grasshoppers and carrots, and 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:18.760 you know, they were just doing things wild hogs are 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:22.000 supposed to eat. And those ancestral animal fats are what 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:25.920 are treasured in indigenous cultures. And that's what we see 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.680 over and over that there was really in the medical literature. 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:31.560 There was really no such thing as a heart attack 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:36.879 until the realties early nineteen ten, that type of region, 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:38.840 and we didn't even think about heart attacks and as 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.560 American people until the nineteen fifties when Eisenhower, I believe, 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:43.800 had his heart attack. So it's just been it's a 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:46.320 new invention. It didn't even happen when we were eating 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.280 animal fats. But people used to in the old days, 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:52.280 people like when I was even like my grandparents, you 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:54.560 just people used to say that he died of old age. 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:57.040 But I think now we just putting names to it. 0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:00.400 I'm gonna go back to sameing people died of old age. Well, people, 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:02.479 no one dies old agian more. Now they die from 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:05.119 something very specific that was like diagnosed, right, but you 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:08.600 just bucket at all as being Yeah, so I don't know, 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:10.439 but I don't know. If people were dying in heart attacks, 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:12.320 they're just dying. They get old and died and no 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.440 one knew why they died. Well, I think that what 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:16.719 what we knew of medicine then was different. But even 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:18.920 in the early nine hundreds, there was really no no 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:21.000 heart attack in the medical literature. People didn't like go 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:22.840 and say, oh my god, I have so much pain 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:24.840 in my chest. You know, people didn't have that. They 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:27.040 would die in ammonia or infections or things like that. 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:29.600 But heart attacks are I mean, we we could tell 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:31.960 when the heart arteries are blocked, or you could tell 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:34.080 if if somebody has like this heart attack and they 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:35.920 have this pain in their chest. It just wasn't even 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.320 something that we recorded until then. And even in the 0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:41.560 early thirties it was rare. As we were getting more 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:43.159 and more medical knowledge and getting a sense of the 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.200 heart and how it worked, and then over time it 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.159 just got to be more and more common. And so 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.720 you're absolutely right, Steve. Vegetable oil is completely synthetic and 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.359 something humans would have never eaten, and the amount of 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.719 this fatty acid in there, literally like acid is really 0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:01.800 giving our bodies this evolutionarily inconsistent, ignally causing massive problems. 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.200 Not to mention that because of the molecular structure this oil, 0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.600 it oxidizes, it becomes rancid very quickly, and in order 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:09.840 for us to eat it and not notice that and 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:11.760 not just spit it out because it tastes like garbage, 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.080 it has to be bleached and deodorized. But you're right, 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:15.600 it's made in a lab. If you look at the 0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.840 way vegetable oil is made, there's nothing there's nothing natural. 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:22.160 There's nothing, you know, even that that our answers could 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:23.600 have ever done with that. Our answers could have never 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:27.359 ground a cotton seed or a rape seed, or you know, 0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:31.200 a soybean into oil. They could have never done these things. Yeah, 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:35.040 I was just gonna ask. Yeah, olive oil is different. 0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:37.639 So when I think about oils, I think about and 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:39.720 again I don't want to get too technical, but I 0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.280 think about the linoleic acid content in that oil. Linoleic 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:45.600 acid is an omega six polyon saturated fat, and olive 0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:48.800 oil is about ten lintilic acid and it's mostly mono 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.119 one saturated fat. Which is oleic acid, which is actually 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:53.480 a fat that our body makes, is an eighteen carbon 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:57.720 monoe saturated fat called oleic acid. We don't make linoleic 0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.760 acid in the human body. We need a small amount, 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:02.159 but we store extra, which means when you're eating foods 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:04.879 that are drenched and vegetable oil, you're storing and storing 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.720 and storing it, and that leads to major problems. So 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.760 olive oil is isn't isn't much better oil to eat. 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.000 I think that I'm with Steve. I only eat tallow. 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:15.119 I want to eat animal fats because that's going to 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:17.679 have more of the nutrients. But olive oil is probably 0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:19.760 even better than vegetable oil. But if you're gonna cook 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:20.960 in an oil, you gotta be a little careful. You 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:22.920 don't want to eat it too much. But this is 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:24.480 the point that a lot of the foods that were 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:28.119 told are healthy for us are completely contrived. I mean, 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.880 kale has the best publicist in the whole world. When 0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.200 did we start thinking that broccoli and kale were healthy? 0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:36.440 So I just want to go back and complete. I 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.159 want to go back and completely laughing as we got 0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:41.840 like I got like a kale pass you wouldn't begin 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:45.639 to comprehend in my garden and um, and we were 0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:49.960 talking about how kale like growing up whatever, you didn't 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:51.960 pay attention to it. Well, holy ship, people are high 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.919 on kale. People like kale. It's kind of good publicist, man. 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:56.840 But it doesn't love you back. And we can talk 0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:00.480 about why. But you were saying something earlier about broccoli, 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:03.600 and that narrative is what's been told to all of us. 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.760 And so there's both the unhealthy user bias, which is 0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:08.239 all the people who are eating red meat and all 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:10.639 this other bad stuff and all the people who are 0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:13.440 eating vegetables are doing all the healthy stuff. And so 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:15.800 you see it over and over in Western cultures. But 0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:19.080 if you if you look at epidemiology done in Asia, 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:21.040 and there's two studies in the book I mentioned with 0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.520 over probably close to three thousand people between both studies. 0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:27.280 If you look in Asia, the men who eat the 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.679 most red meat have the lowest rates of heart disease 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:31.760 and the women who eat the most red meat have 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:35.680 the lowest rates of cancer. Is red meat has read 0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.360 meat good for Asians is good, you know, and and 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.680 bad for Westerners. No, the narrative is completely different. The 0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:45.960 narrative because in Asia, red meat is associated with affluence. 0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.040 Was I was thinking this might be That's where it 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:50.720 might red meat is affluence, so he eats red meat. 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.440 The people that are affluent, the people that are gonna 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:55.440 actually think about health behaviors, the people that have a 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.280 higher socio economic status, which allows more care to doctors, 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.000 which is going to give better health outcomes. So that's 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:03.200 the huge thing that we're seeing with epidemiology. It's telling 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.800 us about a cultural narrative. We can generate a hypothesis 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.120 and we have to test it, and those tests have 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:11.840 been done, but they don't get on the news. And 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:14.960 the tests clearly show red meat and organs are not 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:16.959 bad for humans, and why would they be. We've been 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.480 eating them for millions of years. Can you touch on 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:21.520 something real quick? I mean you made the point great 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:25.080 by wat double background on it where you're talking about 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:32.200 the correlation causation thing. Um, I read a great explanation 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.880 this once for some group was putting out how pet 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:40.960 owners live longer, insinuating that, right, go get a pet 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:43.080 and you'll live longer. Remember reading like a sort of 0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.960 deconstruction of what that meant about. Well, let's take a 0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.480 look at pet owners in America versus non pet owners 0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.479 in America. There are a lot of things that are 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.959 sort of in the package of pet owners that they 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.920 tend to have a home and some amount of expendable 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.520 income and on and on and on and so yes, 0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:05.240 I would believe that that's true. I don't think it's 0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:08.440 owning the pet that is making you live longer. Like, 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:13.400 how do you how do you describe that? Like that 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.760 problem that people run into. There's an amazing website called 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:19.760 Spurious Correlations dot com that's this very well, that's what 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.800 I'm trying to get at. Spurious correlations. Spurious correlations, And 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:24.320 I have a graphic, a couple of graphics of this 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:26.760 in the book. And you can see this correlation between 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.440 the divorce rate and Maine and the per capita margarine consumption, 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:35.640 and they're very highly correlated. They're extremely highly correlated. Absolutely, 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:37.840 it's in the book. Yeah. The idea with maine and 0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:40.440 and the margarine is they're highly correlated. But are we 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:42.560 thinking that if people eat less margine, they're gonna get 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.480 divorced less? No, it makes no sense. It's just there 0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.640 are things that happen in the world that are correlated 0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:49.880 that have no actual cause of relationship. I mean, the 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.240 most hilarious one that's always quoted is the number of 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.920 movies Nicholas Cage appears in is highly correlated with, Like 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.360 I think it's something morbid like death, hangings by suicide 0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:00.840 or something like that. And so you can see it. 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:02.719 There's these charts are in that website, so you can 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.200 and people would say, okay, nicknas Cage movies are causing people. 0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.479 So a lot of people, a lot of people kill themselves. Right, 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.560 it's a highly correlated fact, but it doesn't mean that 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.800 they cause the same thing. You have to really break 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.520 it down. You generate a hypothesis and then you test it. 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.240 And when you really get to the nitty gritty and 0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:21.360 you do the test, red meat is not harmful to humans. 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.280 But we never hear about that, And why would it be? 0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:25.400 Why would a food And this is the kind of 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:26.920 this is the way that I think about this, and 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:28.440 I think you guys get this because you think about 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.960 it the same way. Why would something that has made 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.960 up the majority of the human diet that is crucial, 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.000 that caused all these unique nutrients that we were talking 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:38.320 about about the beginning of the show. I mean like, 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:41.480 you can't get beat twelve without eating meat. You can't 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.360 get colline and any significant amount without eating meat. You 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:48.520 can't be a an optimally functioning human without eating meat. 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:51.160 Why would it be bad for us? There's an amazing 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.840 set of studies where they gave vegetarians creatine. So creatine 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.400 is this muscle. It's a muscle derived molecule. It's a 0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.400 molecule we find in the muscle in the brain that 0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:01.479 holds onto a phosphate groups so it can donate. It's 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.520 a t P which is the energy currency of the body. 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.760 So we needed to think and run neurons and flex 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:10.320 muscles and things like this. When they give extra creatine 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:13.719 to vegetarians, they get smarter, They do better on memory 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.560 and recall tasks and court card sorting tasks. They get 0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:21.920 smarter because they're creating deficient in their vegan and vegetarian diet. 0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:24.680 Why would a food that provides us with all of 0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.960 these unique nutrients be bad for us. This makes no sense, 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:30.640 and it begins to kind of crystallize when you think 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.400 about epidemiology. That's why we've been so misled, you know, 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.440 I think part of where it comes from you'll you'll 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:42.280 know is better than I do. But unexplained with using 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:46.240 a different example. Um, there's a group called the Wildlife 0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:51.160 Conservation Society, okay, and they've always been opposed to UM, 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.760 wildlife trafficking Okay, So particularly trafficking and endangered species have 0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.720 always resisted on a conservation standpoint. They've opposed you know, 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.640 markets that sell like illicit wildlife materials, okay, tiger hides, 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:07.239 you know whatever, panda bear clause. What have you um? 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:13.520 When COVID hit, they took a new tact where they're like, 0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:19.320 see wildlife, we told you wildlife markets are bad. It 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.440 gave us COVID, but it was like, I know that 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.680 you believe wildlife markets are bad, but you've always said 0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:28.800 wildlife markets are bad because it encourages illicit trade and 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.520 endangered species. You could point out to me that here's 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.800 another reason, but you can't have it be that the 0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:37.880 whole reason switched and now we should hate wildlife markets 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:41.000 because what you really want is you want wildlife markets 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.840 to go away because you're trying to protect endangered species. 0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:49.920 You're now being opportunistic by attaching your argument to COVID transmission. 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.840 And I think that a big Like much of the 0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:56.680 anti I think much of the anti meat thing is 0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.600 they're saying, I don't want people to be mean to animals. 0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.920 I don't want that would be animal exploitation. Um, that's 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.400 only gonna fly with so many people. My message will 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:11.640 resonate with far more people if I could make a 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.799 health thing. And I think that's like a huge part 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.080 of this. It's a it's a very big part of it. 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.120 And I think that a lot of people in the 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.200 plant based space, I believe are well intentioned. I just 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.200 think that they're not thinking about the studies properly, and 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.120 if you ask them, a lot of them do believe 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.560 morally that the consumption of animals is not a good thing. 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:33.520 And those are sticky arguments to get into with people. 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:38.440 I think that I try because I yeah, because I've hunted. 0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.000 And I'll just state at a high level that if 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.240 you look at the regenerative agriculture space, which is grass feeding, 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:48.000 grass finishing of cows, and regenerative you know, rotational grazing, 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:50.200 that's essentially the way that bison and other ruminants have 0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.440 always lived on the plains, and that that is carbon negative, 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:55.000 meaning it's sequesters more carbon into the soil than those 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.080 animals produce, and that's been the main that's been one 0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.440 argument is sort of the the environmental argument. So to 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.240 say that owls are killing the planet is completely false 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.320 because they're not. It's just how they manufacture cow me 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:08.920 these days. In some sense, yes, but it's very it's 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.480 a deep rabbit hole because that also is very misleading 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.040 as well. And there's been conflation of data from the 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:16.719 f A O versus the e p A, And in 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:18.320 my book, I have a graphic of e p A 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.880 data showing that if you look at tail pipes and 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.160 tailpipe quote unquote, meaning if you look at the amount 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:27.080 of methane emissions in carbon dioxide equivalence, those are two 0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.360 different molecules that if you look at the amount of 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.600 methane and carbon dioxide equivalence that comes out of a 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:33.440 cow versus what comes out of a tail pipe in 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.960 the United States, there's of a car. Those are essentially 0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:41.040 tailpipe to tailpipe. There is no comparison, no comparison cars 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:45.080 and trucks and transportation is of the U S greenhouse 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:47.160 gas emissions. In two thousand sixteen, when this ep A 0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:50.080 data came out and ruminants are one point nine percent, 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.240 and that includes even the k fos, the clustered animal 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:55.479 feeding operations. But I agree with you, you're talking about 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.120 one one point nine percent. Now, this is u S 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:00.600 data from the e p A and its tailpipe tailpipe. 0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.239 What's so misleading is people will show data and plant 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.400 based circles with from the f a O. And the 0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:07.080 f a O did a survey and they looked at 0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:10.360 you worldwide data and they took life cycle analysis of 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.680 a cow and compared it to tailpipe emissions of a car. 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:17.000 Lifecycle analysis means how many carbon dioxide equivalents do we 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:18.440 do we use up or do we put in the 0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:20.239 atmosphere in the whole life cycle of the cow. Well, 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:21.400 if we have to put them on a truck and 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.960 move them somewhere, what about the amount of carbon it 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:25.920 takes to run the factory that has to slaughter them. 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.120 What about the carbon it takes to run the store 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.200 that sells it to you. You know, that's the life 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.719 cycle of a cow in terms of carbon dioxide equivalents, 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.560 and they're comparing that to what comes out of the 0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:38.200 tailpipe of a car. No one's ever done a life 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:42.200 cycle analysis. Oh well, well, they've they've never they've done that, 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.160 but they've never done lifecycle analysis of what comes out 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.080 of the end of your car. They've never done lifecycle 0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:51.520 analysis of petroleum and transportation. So nobody knows. And this 0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:53.759 is what's so crazy. And I really think that the 0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:57.920 transportation industries are protecting themselves because they are hugely contributing 0:36:57.960 --> 0:36:59.920 to this in a big way. You know, if you've 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.200 how much carbon dioxide equivalent or how much I mean, 0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:05.880 they're sitting there going it's not us, it's the cows, 0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:09.840 exactly exactly. And nobody's ever looked at the life cycle 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.279 of a plane or a train or a car drag 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.920 and all that metal out of the ground making roads. 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.160 You know how much it costs to maintain the car, 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:20.759 how much it cost to do the part. It's how 0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:24.040 much it costs over the life cycle of the exactly right. 0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:27.759 So all we come that nobody's done that. All we 0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:30.200 can look at is tailpipe to tailpipe. And any PhD 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:32.640 students sitting out there looking for a dissertation, you're not 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:37.760 gonna get funding. Don't ask the auto industruper funding. Nobody's 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:40.560 gonna fund that, you know, because they don't want you 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:42.960 to know, so I'd be curious to hear from you 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.480 guys about your experiences with hunting. But I've haunted a 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.640 small amount, but I've found it very spiritual, and I 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.560 don't mean that to sound flipping. So I've haunted deer 0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:54.840 three seasons now with my bow, and I've gotten a 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.239 deer twice, and both times that I've killed a deer 0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:00.320 with my bow, it's been one of the most memorable 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.759 experiences my life. And the first thing I think of is, 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.000 holy sh it, I better live a good life because 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.400 this is a responsibility. This dear gave itself to me. 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:13.200 This is an incredibly, incredibly privileged position that I am 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:14.960 in to eat the most hutritious food on the planet. 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.040 And this is a this is a requirement. This is 0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.480 an ask from however you think about the universe and 0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:22.719 God and the spirituality in our place and all of it. 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.160 This is this is sort of life asking me to 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.919 be a good person. What I've realized from the work 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.080 I read this one the Tom Brown's book. You read 0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:34.880 The Tracker Tom Brown, You read that, yeah, grandfather, and 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:36.560 point in that book says, in order for something to live, 0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:39.080 something else must die. And it's so true. You know 0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.520 that the lion on the planes doesn't feel bad about 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:43.319 killing the antelope. It's what it must do to live. 0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:45.040 And it's part of the cycle of life. We're all 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:46.960 gonna die. I'm gonna be food for worms one day. 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:49.920 And if I'm out hiking it's on bobcat or cougar 0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:51.680 decides to try and take me, I'm gonna fight. But 0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:54.000 you know, maybe I'm part of the circle of life too, 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:55.759 and I'm going to accept that. And so it's the 0:38:55.880 --> 0:39:00.640 it's the human burden. The human burden is um is 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:07.399 that like no other species has any remorse, any even 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:13.839 any even compassion for suffering. It's just amazingly and would 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:17.960 tell you otherwise to watch predators kill ship man, dude, 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:23.440 it just they just don't. I'm not criticizing them. I mean, 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.759 God bless him, but um, it's not that they're not 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:28.080 like I'm going to go in there and make a good, 0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:31.319 clean kill. You know, it's just not on their mind, man. 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:33.960 And it's an interesting thing to think about, but that's 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:37.480 the way I imagine it. And so when people, I think, 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:40.760 if someone wants to want chooses not to the animals 0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:43.120 because they don't want to cause suffering. I think that's 0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:46.120 your choice. You know, that's your moral choice, and you 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:47.880 have to be careful about how it's going to affect 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:49.600 your own health. And will you come hunting with me 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:51.279 or somebody who has more experienced with me and see 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.200 what it's about and see what the responsibility is like 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.320 and realize that this is how we do what we 0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:57.640 do on this earth. I mean, we kind of talked 0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.919 about this at the beginning of the podcast. I what's 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.279 what I am so passionate about is helping as many 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:06.720 people as possible live well, live as fully as possible 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:10.560 by getting getting the nutrients into them that are lost, 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.239 these nose to tail nutrients with hard and soil, and 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:15.919 this eating animals knows to tail, understanding that animal foods 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.560 have been incorrectly vilified. In order for me to do 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.520 my work in this short life as well as possible, 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:23.880 I need to be nourished. I have to have nutrients. 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:26.439 So in order for me to carry out the mission 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:29.560 that I think is most important, like my responsibility is 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:31.400 to nourish this body. And I don't drink alcohol for 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:32.799 a lot of the same reasons. I just I want 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:36.279 to be a healthy individual. I can do something good. Okay, Yeah, 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:38.120 but I think that that's what we do, and we 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:39.880 need to nourish ourselves to do the work that we're 0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.320 gonna do, and the nourishment has to come from animals. 0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:43.800 And I don't think that we should feel bad about that. 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.480 That's an interesting point you bring up. And I guess 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.800 I had felt that a little bit but hadn't articulated it. 0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:53.919 And we had a um the founder of a Black 0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:58.279 Rifle coffee company was on the show and it was when, um, 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.239 it was early in the pandemic, and he said something 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:06.520 interesting to me where he was talking about, um, everybody 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:08.600 was stressed out right, like everybody's stressed out, and we're 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.680 kind of like everybody's like really analyzing their obligations and 0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:15.440 and you know, you're like sort of triaging all the 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:18.000 things in your life. Because it was a few months ago. 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:19.520 Seems like a million years ago now, but like a 0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:21.799 few months ago, everybody was kind of like, holy shit. 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:24.320 And he had made this point of like did he 0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:29.320 he views his obligations and these concentric circles to build 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:33.040 out from him so and and he has this this 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:37.440 this view of it that I thought sounded selfish, but 0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:39.799 once he explained it. It wasn't. He's, like I said, 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:44.320 at the center of the concentric circle, wrapped around that 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.840 is my family, you know. And he said, for me, 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:50.160 wrapped around that is my company, the people that rely 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.160 on this company to living. He and he went on 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.080 to say that like that's where I take care. I 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.960 have to take care of the center, because if I 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:02.239 don't take care of the center r then the concentric 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.840 circles out from that aren't in a position to be 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:09.719 properly serviced. And it was like interesting to hear someone 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:14.200 put it, because, um, the obligation you have to be 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:18.640 like with it, to be present, to be healthy, to 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:22.239 be like mentally clean, to not be hungover every morning. Right, 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.640 It's like it's not just you like looking out for yourself. 0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:29.600 You can imagine it as a way that you're protecting 0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:32.080 those things that are wrapped around you, because there has 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.759 to be that like strong core and center. If you 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:38.840 don't protect yourself, who does that fall to? Yeah, listens 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:42.719 and then and then exactly no one's gonna do it. 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.680 And I mean, look, we've all got this life to 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.200 do good work. I mean art. We're all here to 0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:48.759 do art. We're all here to make our own art, 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:52.719 and that for me as a physician, I've realized that 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:54.680 in order to make art, you have to be healthy. 0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:56.680 And I know you guys, we can talk about how 0:42:56.760 --> 0:43:00.680 to define healthy, but nutrition and nutritional density and nutrients, 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:04.080 an absence of inflammation and autoimmunity that allows people to 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.080 make their art. There's so much beautiful art, and whether 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:08.680 it's painted art or singing art or this type of 0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:11.440 spoken art or writing art like this allows us to 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.200 do our work. And that's what makes life meaningful. Is 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:17.160 to create something beautiful, You've got to be healthy to 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:18.520 do it. And that's why I want to do what 0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:21.200 I do, is to help people make more beautiful art, 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:23.560 because God knows we need more beautiful art in this world. 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:25.880 And that sounds who but you get it. It's exactly 0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:27.720 the same thing that we have to take care of ourselves. 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:29.879 And for me, when I was hunting, I'll just wrap 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:31.399 this thought up and then I'll tell you what I eat. 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:34.239 Like I realized, Okay, this is the most nutritous food 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.040 on the planet. Those those two white tail that I've 0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:38.640 eaten have been some of the most nourishing food. But 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:42.560 I also remembered every single bite, like Okay, I took 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:45.719 this life. This is my responsibility to do well and 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:47.800 also to be a kind human. And so it's this 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:51.000 amazing kind of quote sacrament. It's just remind me to 0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:53.520 be a good human. And I think that's one of 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:55.680 the tragic things about getting your food from a grocery 0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:57.320 store all the time. And you guys probably get this. 0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:58.839 I mean, I think that if more people could hunt, 0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:01.239 we would be a different society. And that's the way 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:02.640 it used to be, you know. I mean, think about 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:04.719 how many generations ago. It wasn't that long ago when 0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:06.480 a lot of the food we got was from hunting. 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:09.080 And if people just look below the surface, I'm sure 0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.000 that would have reminded them this is I should be 0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:14.160 gracious for this. This is bounty, this is nutritious food. 0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.520 I'm not gonna waste it. I'm gonna eat all the organs, 0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:18.400 get all my nutrition, and it's gonna nourish me to 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.879 do whatever I find meaningful in this life. And that's 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.320 that's my take as a doctor. So it's cool stuff. 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:35.640 I think there is a lot of value in the 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:39.560 the mental aspect of it. I mean, you know, it's 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:44.080 not all chemistry, too, because when we're eating fish and 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.640 game that we caught ourselves or hunted ourselves, or even 0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.040 eating things that we grew ourselves. I just like I 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:52.279 become aware of it. And otherwise I wouldn't pay any 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.840 attention to it. I would just be like whatever, you know, 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:56.760 it wouldn't be interesting to me. But also it becomes 0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:59.759 intensely interesting to me, and there's probably and I like, 0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:01.480 and I pay more attention to it and focus on 0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:03.640 it more and more concerned about the quality because it, like, 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:08.360 it becomes a thing of spiritual mental interest to me, 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:12.240 and it heightens it's it heightens my awareness and involvement 0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:15.040 with it, whereas otherwise it would be just like another blase, 0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.920 boring thing that I wasn't even considerate of, you know. 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:21.880 And I think the humans need wild places just like 0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:24.719 they need nutrients. Every time you take a bite of 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:28.560 food that you've grown or gathered or hunted, there's a 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.800 memory of being in a wild place or being in 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.399 some outdoors somehow, and that that's nourishing for us too. 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:35.560 You think, Oh, man, I think about I think about 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:37.000 the camping trip and the hunting trip I went on 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:40.439 in January and Junction, Texas, where I where I got that, dear, 0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:42.120 you know, with my bow, And then I think about 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:44.120 the one in Flagstaff, Arizona a few years ago where 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:45.880 I got my bow, and I know exactly where it happened, 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:47.960 and I know that space, and in order to get 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.120 those animals with a bow, I had to know that 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.319 space well. I had to become part of that space, 0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:54.200 and I had to think where am I in relation 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:56.160 to these animals? How do I smell? What time of 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.200 day is it? And so you get this wilderness experience, 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:00.719 and that's also valuable for humans. The whole thing kind 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.200 of wraps into each other and gives you this such 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:07.080 a powerful experience that I think for me has always 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:10.040 spoken to the ethical consideration, like, yes, we don't want 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.600 anything to suffer, and this is such a rich experience, 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:17.239 and I would suggest an indispensable, invaluable part of being 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:20.120 a human to be interacting with the animals that way, 0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:22.160 in a respectful way. You really become part of the 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.080 whole community, don't you. You do You're part of an ecosystem, 0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:28.200 you know, you become part of an outdoor ecosystem and 0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:30.719 outdoor community. And I think that, I mean, going to 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:32.640 grocery stores is kind of tragic. We all have to 0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:34.719 do it today, But how cool would it be to 0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:36.279 get back into that more? And that's what you guys do, 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:37.880 and that's why it's so cool, And I want to 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:39.680 get back to doing more of that. And I think 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:41.560 that it starts with nutrition and then you start getting 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:43.799 back into those wild places. And I'm hoping to get 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:45.120 to a point in my life real soon where I 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.879 can do a lot more that now. In the book 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:53.120 and the Carnivore Code, I outline five tiers of a 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.319 carnivore diet. And before I started this, I'll just tell 0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:58.560 people who are listening my intention in talking about carnivore 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.080 diets and animal foods is not to convince everybody in 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.280 the world to stop eating plants. It's really to construct 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:09.279 a diet hierarchy in terms of nutritional value and um 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.360 like the way that these foods make us who we 0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:14.880 are or allow us to become as optimal as we 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:18.520 can be as humans from like a medical, biochemical, nutritional perspective. 0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:22.440 And so my my thesis with a carnivore diet or 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:24.359 an animal based diet which a little is a little 0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:27.040 more of an inclusive idea, is that kind of like 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:29.640 we've been talking about animal foods eaten nose to tail, 0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.560 organs and meat have been at the center of our 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:36.560 ancestors existence forever since we were hominids, and that they 0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:39.040 are the most valuable foods on the planet. And yet again, 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:40.960 as we've talked about, they've been vilified for the last 0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:43.480 seventy years. They should not be vilified. So I think 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:45.480 that the first step to doing our art to being 0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:48.759 as optimal as possible is remembering that animal foods eating 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:52.080 nose to tail are the most nutritionally dense and valuable 0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:53.719 foods on the planet. Like I said earlier, they have 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:56.600 nutrients that are not found anywhere else that are very 0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:59.600 difficult to get. Their magical foods quote unquote, they're just 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:01.400 the most nutritional foods in the planet. These are the 0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.480 most important food strusted to get. We should not believe 0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:06.840 that they are harmful for us. And then beyond that, 0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:10.320 in the book, I've created a broad strokes perspective on 0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:13.239 what I believe are more and less toxic plants. So 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:14.920 I don't want people to think that they can't eat 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.399 any plants, or they shouldn't eat any plants. Some people 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.400 do really well with no plants in their diet. I 0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:22.120 haven't eaten significant amounts of plant foods and over two years, 0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:24.480 and I feel pretty darn good. And I'm not combusting 0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:28.240 with oxidative stress or you know, backed up into ridiculous 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:30.200 amounts of constipation. I poop every day. Guys, I know 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.560 you're all wondering about this with no fiber in my diet. Actually, 0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:37.080 that's good to hear. So I you know, there's this 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:40.680 there's this spectrum of plant toxicity, which plants are more 0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:42.719 and less toxic. And if people want to include plants 0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:45.880 in their diet, which are the least toxic parts of 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.320 plants and the least toxic plants, Yeah, you better explain 0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:51.000 plant toxicity. Yeah, I mean it's the thing that plants. 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:52.759 I mean, as much as you can say a plant 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:56.800 intentionally does something, it's like a part of a plant strategy. 0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:58.920 It is absolutely a part of a plant strategy. And 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:02.240 it's it makes sense evolution narily. When you go hunting animals, 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:04.359 they're gonna run away from you. They're pretty crafty. They 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:06.120 can bite you or kick you, or go are you, 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.800 or they can just run away. They're flying away, or 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:11.200 they're fast, or they're crafty. They they fear better than 0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:13.680 us or smell better than us. But plants are rooted 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:15.840 in the ground. This is not surprising to anyone. But 0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:19.319 there's been a coevolution between animals and plants for over 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:23.759 four and fifty million years, and animals and plants have 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:26.960 been in this kind of ongoing warfare, this chemical warfare. 0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:32.160 Plants have had to evolve defense chemicals to meter how 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.560 much they get consumed by herbivorous animals or omnivorous animals, 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:38.480 or there would be no such thing as ecosystems. If 0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.640 every tree was just made of chocolate or whatever, you know, 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:45.080 delicacy a bear or you know, any animal wants to 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:47.279 go eat, there would be no plants left on the 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.040 planet because animals would eat the plants, they would reproduce more, 0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:51.279 and there would just be more and more animals and 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:54.400 less and less plants. So there is this delicate balance, 0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:58.560 and that delicate balance is really it's it's just it's coordinated, 0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:02.520 it's orchestrated by these plants chemicals, and we're familiar with 0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:04.080 some of these. A lot of us know about some 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.239 plants that are toxic around you know, around Christmas. If 0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:08.560 you have a point set in your house, you're like, 0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:10.120 don't let the kids go by the point set. You 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:13.840 guys know the point set of plants. Oh they're super toxic. 0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:16.880 Oh yeah, the super top knew that and forgot toxic. 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.000 If you think if a kid eats a point set, yeah, 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.680 they'll they'll they can get really, really sick. And there's 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:24.120 a lot of other plants like that. And we were 0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:26.600 familiar with gluten and lectins messes up a lot of 0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:28.160 people's guts. I mean, there's a lot of plants out 0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:30.560 there that are just totally freaking toxic. There are people 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:34.840 that have died for eating too much surrell and soral, 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:37.960 you know, and um, it's that's because of the amount 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:39.480 of oxalates in there. So that's a whole another thing 0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:41.879 we can go down a rabbit hole with. But there 0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:43.680 are a lot of plant toxins out there. And the 0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.920 ideas that the roots, the stems, the leaves, and the 0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:50.400 seeds of plants are plants kind of just saying hey, 0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:52.719 I'm here and you're there. I'm good, don't mess with me. 0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:55.440 I won't mess with you. Let's just try and be friends. 0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:57.919 I'm gonna put some toxins in these foods, these parts 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:01.799 of my plant and issuade you from over consuming them. 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:03.840 And if you eat a lot of them, you're not 0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:06.160 gonna feel very good, or you might even die. I 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:07.920 might make this fruit every once in a while, and 0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:10.279 that's gonna be less toxic because I kind of want 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:12.000 you to eat that and then poop out my seeds 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:14.840 somewhere else where. It has this fertile pile of manure 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:17.520 for me to grow. But there's a clear communication here. 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:21.440 And so if you look at plants, the seeds of plants, 0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:25.600 which essentially are seeds, nuts, grains, and legumes, so beans 0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:28.080 are all seeds, they're all plant babies. That are all 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:32.680 plant reproductive efforts to reproduce, to put their generation forward, 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:35.480 to put the next generation of DNA beyond them. And 0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:38.000 these are some of the most highly defended parts of plants. 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:41.400 And this won't really be totally foreign to anyone who's 0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:44.200 heard of things like gluten intolerance or Celiac disease. Well, 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:46.240 wheat is a grain and it has a lot of lectins. 0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:49.960 Gluten is one lectins are these one type of plant 0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:53.960 defense chemical compound. But if that is other lectins like 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.200 wheat or magluten in, a lot of things in wheat 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.080 are not good for humans. It's a plant seed, it's 0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:00.360 a grain. A lot of other grains are not so 0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:02.840 good for us, like beans. Beans are excuse me, a 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:04.360 lot of other seeds are not so good for us, 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:06.719 like beans. And if you eat you ever trying to 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:10.080 eat a raw bean, like off the plant. They're trying 0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:12.120 to be like a kidney bean. You ever seen kidney 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:16.919 bean or a lion? They're superbeans. Really, how do you feel? 0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:19.080 I didn't need enough. I knew that they will mess 0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:20.680 you up, so I never ate enough to mess super 0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:22.200 mess you up. So but I read about a kid, 0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:23.520 a three year old kid who got lost in a 0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:25.480 soybean field one time, and he'd eat a bunch of 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:27.279 soybeans and got sick. And I just ate one to 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:28.920 see what it was like. Yeah, so if you eat 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:32.040 raw beans, they will they will make you violently ill. 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:34.919 And there are hundreds of recorded episodes now of people 0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:37.960 getting food poisoning from undercook kidney beans. So a lot 0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.280 of the seeds out there are frankly toxic to humans. 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:42.920 You know, apple seeds have toxic things in them like 0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:46.120 arsenic or cyanide, and I should stop eating those. My 0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:49.359 dad was always like eat the seeds in the core 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:52.600 and the apple. Ye, I mean you could eat them, 0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:57.200 just don't don't shoot them. Don't. I guess I've ever 0:52:57.480 --> 0:52:59.680 been poisoned. Let me hit you one of that. I 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:01.319 think you'll think it is, then you'll appreciate this one. 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:06.560 So you're from us with snowshoe hairs, they're they're famously cyclical, 0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:09.319 and they on these like you know, seven year eight 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:13.040 year cycles where their populations explode and in a collapse 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:15.240 and exploding collapse, and people used to try to correlate 0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:19.040 it to all kinds of things, um, sun spots wherever 0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:21.839 that no one could ever find an explanation. Lead theory 0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:26.480 on why snowshoe hairs have a cyclical spike is they 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:32.080 predominantly will feed on willow um as the willows are 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:36.680 getting overgrazed, they'll start putting a ton of energy into toxins, 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.960 and then the primary food source of the animal actually 0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:44.640 starts to not be nourishing and kills it. All of 0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:47.680 a sudden, you trim off this whole population of rabbits. 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:51.600 The plants aren't getting grays anymore, they don't put energy 0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:56.120 into plant toxicity, and eventually this very small amount of 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.200 rem that rabbits are left are back to eating a 0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:01.480 healthy food source. And this cycle seems to run in 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:03.959 about a seven year cycle. And that's this is after 0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:06.800 many people postulated many things, but to lead theory on 0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:10.080 what drives that is there that plant's response to getting 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:13.240 eaten by it. And if you look at grazing animals, 0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:16.760 there are many historical examples of large herds of grazing 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:21.440 animals dying and mass when they're cordoned off by fences 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:23.720 are made to graze on a small amount of area. 0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:26.600 If you look at ruminants or grazing animals, they don't 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.800 eat just one plant. I mean this, this example of 0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:31.359 the hairs is interesting, but a lot of them will 0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:32.480 pick a little bit of this one, little bit of 0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:33.920 that one, a little bit of that one, because they 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:36.319 realize every plant has a toxin in it and if 0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:38.520 they get too much of this toxin, they're gonna get sick. 0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:39.640 But they can get a little bit of this tox 0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:40.680 and a little bit of that tox, and a little 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.279 bit of that tox and a little bit of that toxin. Right, 0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:46.160 So this is these are herbivorous animals. But the thesis 0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:48.080 that I example advanced or you know, the kind of 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:50.239 the hypothesis. What I'm saying in the carnivore code with 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:53.839 this idea is, look, eating animal foods made us human. 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:55.120 And we can talk about why I think that way. 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:56.839 If you look at the evolution of the human brain, 0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:00.360 it exploded in size, not literally but figure early in 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:03.840 the last two million years, and that correlates very strongly 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:05.960 with the advent of hunting. There were these auschuli and 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:10.080 these bifacial tools cut marks on bones, mass graves, and 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.120 you can date, you know how old these bones and 0:55:12.160 --> 0:55:13.960 these animals are that have cut marks and stuff. It 0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.200 looks like humans started hunting about two million years ago. 0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:19.799 Our brain was about five hundred ccs and it had 0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:23.000 been about five ccs for the previous ninety million years. 0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:25.560 And you know, you go up and in the last 0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:27.440 and the next two million years, it grows from five 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:30.200 hundred ccs TOCs it triples in size, which is a 0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:33.200 massive energetic input for humans. We had to change all 0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:35.720 sorts of things in our gut, and that was probably 0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:39.200 because there were more calories and there were these unique 0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:42.719 nutrients and animal foods nias and riba flavor, coline, carnatine 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:45.799 creatine that our brains needed to grow and something. When 0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:47.960 we had those boom. We can grow a bigger brain, 0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:49.600 and that gives us more survival advantage. We get a 0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:53.640 near cortex, We can plan hunting with our with our tribe, 0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:55.759 we can evade predators better. We don't have claws and 0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:59.400 towns anymore, but we can fashion spears and nest. The 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:02.080 human race goes on, and so a food that lies 0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:05.759 at the center of our evolution is what we need 0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:07.719 to grow and that really made us who we are. 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:09.239 That's a statement I make in the book that eating 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:12.839 animals nos the tail made us human. It made us human, 0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:16.080 and I think that because of that, and there's good 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:19.560 evidence for this, looking at stable isotopes of you know, 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:22.399 fossilized remains of teeth that are I think at least 0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:24.600 a million years old, which is crazy to think about that, 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:29.360 and even more recent hunter gatherers um from fifty thousand 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:32.320 years ago. You can look at uh stabilized stope analysis 0:56:32.360 --> 0:56:35.280 of co living Neanderthal and Homo sapiens in northern Europe 0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:38.240 and see the majority of their protein was coming from animals. 0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:40.800 And you can look at this these barrium and caesium 0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:43.680 and nitrogen and carbon and sulfur isotopes, and say, man, 0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:45.680 they were eating a lot of animals. It looks like 0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:48.680 they were eating like more animals than known carnivores like hyenas. 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:51.920 So the thesis in a lot of anthropology circles is, hey, 0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:55.279 we were essentially high level quote carnivores. We weren't eating 0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:57.440 all animals, but we were eating the majority of our 0:56:57.480 --> 0:56:59.839 diet as animals when we could get them. So I'm 0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:02.960 they think that our blueprint is humans is in stark 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.839 contrast what we've been told today. It's not kale that's 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.279 the superfood. It's the animal foods that are the superfoods. 0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:11.040 And that you see this indigenous cultures too. They seek 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:14.840 out animals preferentially, and they'll eat plants as fallback food, 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:18.400 as survival food, but they don't really if they've got 0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:20.160 a big kill, they're not gonna be like, hey, we 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:23.440 got a whole whole elephants or a whole water buffalo. Well, 0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:25.200 let's just put that aside. I'm gonna go I'm gonna 0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:27.520 go gather some tubers, you know, I'm gonna go gather 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:31.040 some There's some good, some good acorns over here. They're like, no, 0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:34.240 I'm gonna eat this freaking buffalo. Man. But we're we're 0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.480 adaptable as humans, and we do have the ability to 0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:39.240 be omnivorous, and I think that we've used that throughout 0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:43.160 our evolution to during times of scarcity, use plant foods 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:46.240 as fallback foods, as survival foods. And this is because 0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:48.960 plants have toxins. So what have we done. We've learned 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:51.000 how to ferment them. And you see this over and 0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:53.560 over a lot of times when indigenous cultures eat plant foods, 0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:57.120 they're fermented things like sauer Kraud. This comes from fermented cabbage. 0:57:57.120 --> 0:57:59.880 A lot of the toxins that are in cabbage, which 0:57:59.880 --> 0:58:02.600 a lot of the same toxins and kale are degraded 0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:05.160 when you ferment the cabbage. A lot of beans are 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:07.800 fermented in sort of South American cultures. So we've figured 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:10.240 out ways. But if you look at the number of ways, 0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:12.600 the sheer volume of ways that humans have figured out 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:16.440 to make plants more edible, it's clearly indicating they are 0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:19.720 full of toxins. Whether it's cooking or dhauling or it's 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.439 an interesting point, man, Like the amotta plants we eat 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:25.160 you know, the grains and stuff we you don't eat, 0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:29.040 like you can't eat raw raw. You gotta do to 0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:30.680 make them medable. You gotta do a lot of stuff. 0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:32.160 You gotta pressure cook the heck out of the mean. 0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:35.280 Look at white rice, you know, in Asian cultures, it's 0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:37.120 a staple, and they figured out, oh, if you take 0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:39.880 the hull off the rice, it's way less toxic for humans, 0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:42.320 and we've been told the reverse. So brown rice is 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:44.240 more healthy. But brown rice has a lot of arsenic 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:47.160 in it, because arsenic is concentrated in the hull of 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:49.760 the rice, and a lot of the things that prevent 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:52.080 us from absorbing minerals are in the hull of the rice, 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:55.240 like phightic acid, things like that. So humans realize, hey, 0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:57.440 if we take the hull off the rice, we can 0:58:57.520 --> 0:58:58.840 get the grain out of the middle, and there's not 0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:00.439 a lot of nutrients in there, but as at least 0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:03.320 calories to keep me going until tomorrow. But where do 0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:05.880 we then get our massive micro nutrient doses. We get 0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:09.280 them from animal foods every day. Okay, this is my 0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:11.040 long way to answer for what I eat every day 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:15.640 and the reason I had that whole sort of explanation was. 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.440 I wanted people to understand that this is my perspective 0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:20.520 on it, because when I say this, people are just 0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:23.080 gonna be like, click off goes the podcast. This guy's 0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:27.440 a looney been m because you're doing you're doing an 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:36.160 extreme version. We should have started with that. Yeah, I mean, so, 0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:38.120 so I don't need plants, all right, I don't need 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:41.480 any plants. I have any any plants in over two years. 0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:43.840 I did a short experiment for a couple of days 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:46.960 where I was wearing a continuous glucost monitor where I 0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:49.560 included some berries and some squash in my diet just 0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:51.360 to see what would happen to my glucost. But I've 0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:54.520 found that I feel better without plants. And the reason 0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:56.480 I don't need need plants is because I don't. There 0:59:56.520 --> 0:59:59.480 are no nutrients and plants that I can't get from 0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:01.760 eating animal. No, the tail and I take when you 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:04.720 can play. When you say plants, you're talking like flower, 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:08.280 like wheat, No, like like any plants that I'm saying. 1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:10.440 I mean you're including that. Oh yeah, I'm including like 1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:12.800 grains and flour and wheat like I don't know to 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:16.120 talk about skipping green vegetables. No, all of this every 1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:17.120 once in a while, I'm on a date with a 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:18.560 girl and I don't need plants, and she goes, well, 1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:21.800 do you eat bread? No, I don't need bread. I 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:23.640 don't even plants. Well do you know no, I don't. 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:25.400 Just I don't think people understand, like I don't need 1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:27.920 plant products, like all I eat all I eat his 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:30.600 animals and you know I people say, well, then you 1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:32.720 just eat meat, and how that go over on the date? There? 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:34.439 They usually that's usually that of the day or they're 1:00:34.480 --> 1:00:35.800 like they kind of roll their eyes and they're just 1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:37.360 not sure what to think. I think they're in shell 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:39.800 shock after that. I'm not sure. Yeah, I try to 1:00:39.960 --> 1:00:41.880 get that to like the second or third date. I don't. 1:00:42.000 --> 1:00:43.840 I try not to let that. Don't do dinner dates. 1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:47.200 They're like, you want to go to restaurant. I'm like 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:50.280 about that, Let's just go for a walk. Uh, let's 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:53.040 just go hiking or something. Um still doesn't go over 1:00:53.120 --> 1:00:54.920 so good. People think it's a little strange. But I 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:56.720 don't eat I don't need plants. I eat only meat. 1:00:56.800 --> 1:00:58.960 But by meat, I don't just eat meat, right, I 1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:01.360 eat meat and liver and organs. So I eat two 1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:04.000 meals a day. I'm interested in time restricted feeding, which 1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:06.760 is eating. I eat breakfast, and I eat lunch late lunch, 1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:08.080 and then I don't eat dinner because I want to 1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:10.000 have some period in the day where I'm not eating, 1:01:10.360 --> 1:01:13.440 kind of like this intermittent fasting type of idea. And 1:01:13.520 --> 1:01:14.800 if you look at this, you know, I take my 1:01:14.880 --> 1:01:16.880 key tones in the morning and I actually have keytnes 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:19.800 in my blood every morning, so I'll get into keytosis. Um. 1:01:19.960 --> 1:01:21.320 But I think is a good thing for humans to 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:23.160 kind of cycle in and out of keytosis, but not 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:25.120 be in it all the time. I think, when you're 1:01:25.120 --> 1:01:27.160 done telling us about what you eat and then we 1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:30.280 should talk a little bit about keto keytosis, well yeah, 1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:33.080 do that, but but finish this because but I want 1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:35.480 to I gotta have you in the morning. So I 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:36.960 wake up in the morning. So this morning, I eat 1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:39.120 the same thing pretty much every day. I I've got 1:01:39.200 --> 1:01:41.400 it works for me, and I mean I'm easy. Um. 1:01:41.480 --> 1:01:42.680 But again that it's not to say that you have 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:44.280 to eat this way. There's a lot of variety. We're 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:47.200 building a cookbook around this too. Um. So I eat 1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:48.760 a lot of so I eat grass fed grass finish 1:01:48.840 --> 1:01:50.439 meat from our generative farms, a lot of good farms. 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:52.240 I want to support that type of agriculture. If I 1:01:52.320 --> 1:01:55.000 can't eat an animal that I've hunted, i'll eat meat 1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:57.200 from those farms. And so i'll eat about a pound 1:01:57.240 --> 1:01:58.840 of meat twice a day, eat a little less than 1:01:58.840 --> 1:02:00.760 two pounds of meat a day. And it's right now, 1:02:00.840 --> 1:02:02.959 it's a lot of stew meat. And I make bone broth, 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:05.040 so I'll make my own bone broth with knucklebones. It 1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:07.040 has all the tendons on there. And what I'll do 1:02:07.120 --> 1:02:09.160 is I'll blanch the meat in bone broth and then 1:02:09.200 --> 1:02:11.040 add salt to it, and then I'll eat the bone 1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:13.960 broth and tendons, and i'll get my glycine, the connective tissue, 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:16.120 and I'll eat the meat. And then I also eat 1:02:16.160 --> 1:02:18.200 some organs, and so as many of the fresh organs 1:02:18.240 --> 1:02:20.680 as I have, i'll eat those. So most days i'll 1:02:20.680 --> 1:02:25.760 eat liver, heart spleen, pancreas. If i've got thimus, i'll 1:02:25.760 --> 1:02:27.520 eat it. If I can get testco, i'll eat it. 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:29.720 And your butcher's gotta love you, man, because you're buying 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:32.080 the stuff they have. No, it's not even at the butcher. 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:33.800 It's hard to get I gotta talk to my phone. 1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:35.120 You're buying all the stuff that winds up in a 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:37.560 rendering play. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's important, you know. 1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:39.200 So I get all the organs I can in a day, 1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:41.880 a few ounces, and then I'll eat some suet because 1:02:41.880 --> 1:02:44.440 I'm really interested in this kidney fat um. It's high 1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:48.240 in a compound called ste i. I just I chew 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:50.000 it and I have like a swig of bone broth 1:02:50.080 --> 1:02:52.120 with it, kind of warm because it sue it's really waxy. 1:02:52.480 --> 1:02:56.160 It's all either like straight as straight ass. You don't 1:02:56.160 --> 1:02:58.240 you don't you don't you don't like rendered out in 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:01.240 the pan, or like you make a crackling Nope, I 1:03:01.320 --> 1:03:02.880 just eat it. I just take the suit raw and 1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:05.320 I eat it with bone broth, and then I'll add 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:08.280 some Redman real salt. And then so for the first 1:03:08.440 --> 1:03:11.200 year and a half, you're okay with salt. Yeah, yeah, 1:03:11.320 --> 1:03:13.320 totally okay with salt. Before you get to how it 1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:16.919 felt to tell me about just blanching stew meat, because 1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:19.320 that to me sounds real tough. It's actually not bad 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:21.240 at all, because I don't over blanch it. I mean, 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:22.920 I'm just doing that because I find stew meat to 1:03:22.960 --> 1:03:25.920 be affordable. People will sometimes criticize my diet and say, 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:27.960 I can't eat two ReBs a day. That's fifty bucks 1:03:28.000 --> 1:03:29.400 in me. And I go, well, I eat eight dollars 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:31.960 a pound grass fed, grass finished stew meat, and I 1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:35.120 think it's I think it's great. So you take the bone, Yeah, 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:37.520 that's good. Yet had a good question. You take you 1:03:37.560 --> 1:03:40.040 make bone broth, which I get and then imagined you 1:03:40.120 --> 1:03:42.400 probably pick all this stuff off the bone, eat all 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:44.680 of it. And I actually will chew on the bones too. 1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:48.400 And then and then you'll take stew meat, slice it, 1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:51.040 just slice it thin or cut it however, and you'll 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:54.880 heat up bone broth to cook the stew meat. And 1:03:54.960 --> 1:03:56.360 this is how I'm doing it. Now do you ever? 1:03:56.480 --> 1:03:59.720 Do you ever? Uh? Did you just take animal fat 1:03:59.800 --> 1:04:04.040 and fry? I don't. Why not? I have in the past, 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:06.640 But because I'm a scientist, because I'm a doctor, and 1:04:06.680 --> 1:04:10.000 I think about lipid peroxides and all this other so 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:12.400 you know, I don't know, keep talking about your food. 1:04:12.400 --> 1:04:15.840 I'm gonna add in my notes lipid peroxide, lipid peroxides, 1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:23.640 white frying is bad. All right. Now, I'm disappointed. I've 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:25.320 done a lot of that. Okay, I think that's probably 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:27.320 if you're fine an animal fat, I think you're probably 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:28.720 find there's a lot of cultures to do it. But 1:04:28.760 --> 1:04:30.640 I do experiments myself all the time. I'm trying to 1:04:30.680 --> 1:04:32.880 optimize because I realized that. I'm like, so you're like 1:04:32.960 --> 1:04:35.440 against frying stuff an animal fat. I'm not against it. 1:04:35.520 --> 1:04:38.160 I just like doing the experiments and myself to see 1:04:38.240 --> 1:04:40.400 because I'm like the pirate man, I'm like the astronaut 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:42.280 on the way to the moon. Nobody's ever done this before, 1:04:42.400 --> 1:04:44.040 and I just want to be like, is this better 1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:46.080 as it worse. I want to be the person that 1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:48.000 kind of helps people understand, like this is the ideal, 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:49.240 but you can do it this way too. I'm not 1:04:49.320 --> 1:04:52.080 completely against frying things in animal fat um. I used 1:04:52.120 --> 1:04:53.200 to do that a lot. I just do a lot 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:54.640 of the blanching now, and so I'll put it in 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:56.800 the in the bone broth for maybe less than a minute. 1:04:57.160 --> 1:04:59.200 So I like my meat really raw, and so if 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:01.120 you just cook the outs side and then you know 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:04.120 the inside is pretty much like blue rare. Yeah, yeah, 1:05:04.120 --> 1:05:05.600 I'm not over cooking it. And the meat I get 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:07.680 from these regenerative farms is pretty darn tender, and I 1:05:07.760 --> 1:05:11.919 love it. Not into fish. We can talk about fish. 1:05:12.000 --> 1:05:16.320 We can talk about fish. So I love fish. I 1:05:16.440 --> 1:05:19.080 just feel like a lot of fish is from sources 1:05:19.120 --> 1:05:21.080 that are polluted. If I could eat fish from clean 1:05:21.200 --> 1:05:23.320 rivers and lakes or oceans, I'll do it. So you 1:05:23.360 --> 1:05:25.240 don't like the heavy metals, I don't like the heavy metals. 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:28.360 Get worried about this then microplastics. Yeah, I mean I 1:05:28.440 --> 1:05:30.640 think about this because I I test my heavy metals 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:32.920 all the time, and I test the metals in my clients. 1:05:32.960 --> 1:05:35.560 And if I have had clients who eat opo, I 1:05:35.600 --> 1:05:37.600 go to the story they get opos wild or they 1:05:37.640 --> 1:05:39.720 get you know, it's just like I think I'm one 1:05:39.720 --> 1:05:43.480 of these bigger deep sea fishes. Oh I'm a minute, okay, yeah, um, 1:05:44.200 --> 1:05:48.200 halb don't eat with fish, yeah, halib it, sword fish, 1:05:48.240 --> 1:05:49.560 those kind of things. A lot of metals, and you'll 1:05:49.600 --> 1:05:54.880 see this down. We should have started with this if 1:05:54.920 --> 1:05:58.760 you're if you're guinea pigging yourself like all. I mean, 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:00.800 I think that's awesome. I think we should have just 1:06:00.880 --> 1:06:04.360 started with this intro to to like set the record straight. 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:06.840 He's you know, I think it's great, but there's no 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:11.400 reason to apologize. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:13.240 you feel a little bit of burden. Right. If I'm 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:15.240 going to write a book as a physician, I'm going 1:06:15.320 --> 1:06:17.040 to test all my labs. I've probably done over a 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:19.480 thousand blood work test at this point, and I talked 1:06:19.480 --> 1:06:21.240 about Yeah, I test my labs all the time. I 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:23.200 had a couple of blood tests like last week. I've 1:06:23.240 --> 1:06:25.160 done it all my podcast multiple times. I love doing 1:06:25.160 --> 1:06:27.600 blood work and looking at things and looking at my 1:06:27.640 --> 1:06:29.760 inflammatory markers and my heavy metals, and I want to 1:06:29.800 --> 1:06:31.160 know these things because I'm writing a book and I 1:06:31.240 --> 1:06:33.000 have to be able to tell people this is what 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:34.560 I think works, this is what I believe works. And 1:06:34.560 --> 1:06:36.240 I work with clients doing this too, So I see 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:38.000 it all the time. And what I'm saying about the 1:06:38.040 --> 1:06:41.880 OPA or the uh, the I had so many a 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:43.800 lot of tuna, and then you see the mercury and 1:06:43.840 --> 1:06:47.240 the blood rise immediately even three week, three times a week, 1:06:47.320 --> 1:06:49.360 wild Sam, and I'll see the mercury bump a little bit, 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:51.880 and I'm like, oh, that's an ideal. Have we just 1:06:52.040 --> 1:06:54.320 over polluted all the oceans at this point? And I think, well, 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:57.360 I like fish and I love fishing, and I love 1:06:57.840 --> 1:06:59.440 I've only fly fished a couple of times, but I 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:01.920 freaking love being on rivers. I love being in those places. 1:07:02.200 --> 1:07:04.200 But I ask myself, is it the best food in 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:08.760 was it? Was it fantastic food years ago? Absolutely? But 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:13.080 the thing I worry about is that is fishing. I'm 1:07:13.080 --> 1:07:14.520 not telling people I can't fish. I'm just trying to 1:07:14.600 --> 1:07:17.160 offer tools that might be helpful for human health. But 1:07:17.360 --> 1:07:21.640 is fishing now like eating beef grown in downtown Tokyo. 1:07:22.280 --> 1:07:24.640 You know, if if you eat beef that's inhaling lots 1:07:24.680 --> 1:07:26.440 of polluted air all the time, is that the best 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:27.680 kind of beef you want to eat? Like I want 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:29.560 to eat beef that's grown on the Idyllic farm in 1:07:29.600 --> 1:07:33.320 northern California. Well, yeah, but they just eat short lived, 1:07:33.600 --> 1:07:35.920 non pasciferous fish. That's probably the way to do it. 1:07:36.200 --> 1:07:39.080 That's the way to Yeah, eat small fish that don't 1:07:39.080 --> 1:07:42.960 accumulate metals, avoid big old fish, to eat lots of 1:07:43.040 --> 1:07:45.240 big old fish. There you go, That probably the way 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:47.280 to do it. So if I did more of that, 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:49.840 maybe I do that, But I mean one could do that. 1:07:50.000 --> 1:07:52.160 You could do that. You could do that. And also 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:53.600 if you were eating fish, you could eat the fish 1:07:53.640 --> 1:07:55.760 nose to tail too. You know. The the fish row 1:07:55.880 --> 1:07:58.120 is very beneficial and has been treasured by cultures for 1:07:58.240 --> 1:08:01.360 many generations as well. And the organs brain. Yeah, those 1:08:01.400 --> 1:08:03.840 kind of things are valuable. Fish eyes, fish head, soup. 1:08:04.000 --> 1:08:06.280 This is what we're talking about. Nose to tail. Let's 1:08:06.280 --> 1:08:08.040 get back to your daily diet. Okay, my daily diet. 1:08:08.840 --> 1:08:11.640 You started out. You got your bone broth. My bone broth. 1:08:11.680 --> 1:08:14.920 I blanched some some some some steaming in it. How 1:08:15.000 --> 1:08:18.560 much bone broth you drink? Uh? So I make a 1:08:18.680 --> 1:08:20.960 big pot for and it last me three to four days. 1:08:20.960 --> 1:08:24.040 I drink probably sixteen ounces a day of bone broth. 1:08:24.680 --> 1:08:27.400 No coffee, I don't do coffee. That's a plant. Yeah. 1:08:27.520 --> 1:08:29.200 Do you got any kind of coffee type thing you 1:08:29.280 --> 1:08:31.560 make just to get that sensation of drinking coffee? I 1:08:31.600 --> 1:08:35.519 do deep breaths, I'll just go, you know, or just 1:08:35.680 --> 1:08:39.439 the organs. You have to quit drinking coffee at some 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:41.760 point in time. Was it hard? It was hard. I 1:08:41.920 --> 1:08:43.680 used to be a bike racer, so I used to 1:08:43.760 --> 1:08:45.760 race road bikes, and there's a big culture and road 1:08:45.800 --> 1:08:48.800 bike in around. Sipping your cappuccino with your finger out. Yeah, 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:50.920 then like coffee and road bike in and stuff. Yeah, 1:08:51.680 --> 1:08:53.439 you know that kind of brings a bell. I've seen that, 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:56.519 like a bunch of old dudes on bikes, the little 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:59.519 clickie shoes going in and get going in to get coffee, 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:02.360 and there's a there's yeah, you wear spandex, you drink 1:09:02.400 --> 1:09:05.960 coffee a lot of the time. Like, yeah, they're super excited. 1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:08.040 Maybe they shouldn't be wearing spandex. But that's a whole different, 1:09:08.520 --> 1:09:10.600 whole different stories. So and yeah, when I had to 1:09:10.600 --> 1:09:12.559 stop drinking coffee, got a wake at headache for a week, 1:09:12.600 --> 1:09:13.760 and I was like, okay, but it was giving me 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:20.600 a drinking and give you a headache. I do, but 1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:22.600 sometimes I'm like I don't want to drink it for 1:09:22.680 --> 1:09:26.280 a week, and I don't drink camel tea in the morning. Yeah, 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:30.240 he's very on your very you're the exception. I wind 1:09:30.320 --> 1:09:32.240 up where I can't get any coffee. I take a 1:09:32.840 --> 1:09:39.880 aspirin or Bobby profen. Proact what's the word I'm looking for. Proactively. Really, 1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:42.080 I'm like, I'm like, well, if I can't get a coffee, 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:43.439 I'll get a headache. So I just treat. I just 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:45.600 treat the headache. And I used to take Excedrin. I 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:47.960 used to carry around exceed because he's got caffeine in it. 1:09:48.680 --> 1:09:50.400 Just I don't know, stick your head, and I used 1:09:50.439 --> 1:09:53.160 to water and do like twenty five push ups. You're golden. 1:09:53.720 --> 1:09:57.200 It's pain. That's not what he's trying to It's not 1:09:57.360 --> 1:09:59.720 the fact that he's not waking up. It's the fact 1:09:59.760 --> 1:10:03.080 that he's You're gonna get the caffeine addiction. So excedrin 1:10:03.160 --> 1:10:04.680 has a little bit of caffeine in it. I iced 1:10:04.720 --> 1:10:06.880 to bring it camping, and if we were doing a 1:10:06.920 --> 1:10:08.400 thing where there wasn't gonna be coffee in the morning, 1:10:08.400 --> 1:10:10.000 I would bring it and just take it instead of 1:10:10.040 --> 1:10:12.800 coffee so that I wouldn't get the coffee headache. But hey, 1:10:12.800 --> 1:10:14.800 what don't you talk about coffee? All right? So there 1:10:14.840 --> 1:10:17.439 you are. You have to drinking all this bone broth. 1:10:17.600 --> 1:10:20.960 Drinking bone broth eating tendons blanched me. And then I'll 1:10:21.000 --> 1:10:22.960 eat the organs, and I eat the organs raw. So 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:25.320 I love to eat the organs ship. I'll do shooters. 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:27.519 And I was talking to Korean about this before. I 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:28.760 think a good way to eat liver is to do 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:30.320 a shooter. But I realized a lot of people won't 1:10:30.320 --> 1:10:31.920 do this, which is why we made the descated organ 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:34.960 supplements as well. So I'll do the organs and then 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:36.720 So for the first I was just saying this. For 1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:38.200 the first year and a half I did this, I 1:10:38.280 --> 1:10:40.599 had no carbs in my diet. It was zero carb 1:10:41.360 --> 1:10:43.719 um but a lot of protein balm. Let me ask you, Okay, 1:10:43.800 --> 1:10:46.560 we'll come back to that. No, No, just a quick digression. 1:10:48.040 --> 1:10:54.080 Are you okay? Do you ever find yourself? Do you're 1:10:54.360 --> 1:10:59.040 sneak a donut? I think that, I'm I think that. 1:10:59.280 --> 1:11:01.639 Are you ever like my god? Do I want to donut? 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:04.479 You know what? I will never eat another cookie as 1:11:04.520 --> 1:11:06.760 long as I live. I just don't crave them. See 1:11:06.760 --> 1:11:09.800 that's like, Yeahni, he's all anti sugar. Well, I just don't. 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:12.000 You may not like the next thing I'm gonna say, 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:15.200 but I don't. Um, I don't. I just don't crave 1:11:15.280 --> 1:11:18.880 those foods. I think in my mind, I've been able. No. 1:11:19.080 --> 1:11:21.360 I never did, not, even like a little kid. I mean, sure, 1:11:21.400 --> 1:11:23.240 as a little kid I did. But at some point 1:11:23.320 --> 1:11:26.360 there was a shift in my mind and psychologically I 1:11:26.479 --> 1:11:29.000 just connected the way I felt afterwards, and I was 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:31.360 like it's not worth it. It's not worth it. Nothing 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:33.640 takes as good as healthy feels. Tony Robbins said, that 1:11:33.760 --> 1:11:35.880 is I love it, you know, like I just prioritize it. 1:11:35.920 --> 1:11:37.360 I was like, you know what, in medical school, I 1:11:37.439 --> 1:11:39.559 was doing jiu jitsu. Man, I'm getting choked and ship. 1:11:40.040 --> 1:11:41.720 I don't want to feel bad the next day, Like 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:44.160 I can't even a donut or drink alcohol, and you know, 1:11:44.200 --> 1:11:46.000 I just running and being in the woods. There's so 1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:47.639 many cool things I want to do in my life. 1:11:48.400 --> 1:11:49.800 I don't want it. It's not worth it to me 1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:51.880 to eat bad food. That's why I quit drinking so 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:54.639 much alcohol. I love drinking alcohol, just like being hungover. 1:11:54.880 --> 1:11:57.960 Do you feel like you're more connected to how your 1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:01.320 body feels? And maybe the average person who if you ask, 1:12:01.640 --> 1:12:04.400 how do you feel after drinking five bottles of beer? 1:12:04.560 --> 1:12:08.519 How do you feel after eating half of a pound cake? 1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:17.759 That that you're yeah, or that you're actually tuned into 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:23.280 a certain visceral feeling and experience of yourself, like moment 1:12:23.400 --> 1:12:26.360 by moment that you just there. You don't crave it 1:12:26.400 --> 1:12:29.680 because it feels like pain. Absolutely, And I think this 1:12:29.840 --> 1:12:32.560 is one of the key points is that when you 1:12:32.680 --> 1:12:35.920 simplify your diet enough. When you get clean enough quote unquote, 1:12:35.960 --> 1:12:37.960 you get you get a good baseline. A lot of 1:12:38.000 --> 1:12:41.679 people can't separate signal from noise, so they always feel shitty, 1:12:41.760 --> 1:12:43.679 or they always feel a little bit hungover, They always 1:12:43.720 --> 1:12:45.400 feel a little bit brain fog. Are they always a 1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:48.559 little depressed? Yeah, what you're saying, once you get clean 1:12:48.680 --> 1:12:50.760 quote unquote, you know once you and a lot of 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:52.719 people experience that for the first time when they fast, 1:12:53.160 --> 1:12:55.160 because it's it's really tricky for people to understand what 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:57.120 good food is. But if you if you really don't 1:12:57.160 --> 1:12:59.320 know what to eat, just fast for a few days, 1:12:59.360 --> 1:13:01.000 which is not easy, but fast for three days and 1:13:01.040 --> 1:13:02.479 you will feel the best you've ever felt in your 1:13:02.479 --> 1:13:05.120 life because you have no negative inputs. Now, the trick 1:13:05.240 --> 1:13:06.840 is being able to do that long term, because you 1:13:06.880 --> 1:13:09.080 can't fast forever you will die. But if you can 1:13:09.200 --> 1:13:11.200 feel as good as you feel when you are fasting, 1:13:11.280 --> 1:13:13.280 when you're eating food, then you found food that really 1:13:13.320 --> 1:13:15.160 worked with your body. And that's the way that I 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:17.040 and now thousands of people feel when they're doing an 1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:20.080 animal based diet or mostly animal foods, eating nose to 1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:22.600 tail and so yes, I think that I've gotten so 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:26.920 refined in the laboratory of this corporeum my body that 1:13:27.120 --> 1:13:29.080 I know when I eat something bad, I'm just like, man, 1:13:29.240 --> 1:13:31.360 I ate something, I'm off either my stomach feels off 1:13:31.439 --> 1:13:33.240 or I get brain fog. And I've heard it from 1:13:33.280 --> 1:13:34.920 my friends too. I mean, you know, I'm traveling with 1:13:34.920 --> 1:13:36.439 a couple of couple of my friends from Hard and 1:13:36.479 --> 1:13:38.360 Soil here, and you know, one of the guys had 1:13:38.360 --> 1:13:39.640 to eat a sandwich in the airport and he did 1:13:39.680 --> 1:13:41.120 it kind of cheapestly. I was like, Doug, where'd you go. 1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:42.720 He's like, I had a sandwich. I was like, why, 1:13:42.760 --> 1:13:43.880 why did you do that? You didn't want to eat 1:13:43.880 --> 1:13:45.400 it in front of me, did you? And he's like, yeah, 1:13:45.720 --> 1:13:50.000 sandwich shaming. Yeah. And then he was like, you know what, 1:13:50.080 --> 1:13:51.960 I don't feel good and he was farting all last 1:13:52.040 --> 1:13:54.559 night and stuff, and so you know, it's you can tell. 1:13:54.640 --> 1:13:56.640 But once you get your body kind of refined, that 1:13:56.840 --> 1:13:58.840 makes it so much easier to make behavioral change, because 1:13:58.880 --> 1:14:01.320 you know, like I actually saw what it felt like 1:14:01.400 --> 1:14:04.200 to feel really good, to sleep well, to wake up 1:14:04.280 --> 1:14:06.880 clear headed, to have energy, to like do one workout 1:14:06.920 --> 1:14:07.880 and then be like, you know, I could go work 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:09.960 out again, or like do a workout and then play 1:14:09.960 --> 1:14:13.640 with your kids, or like proper human libido, or not 1:14:13.800 --> 1:14:16.360 being depressed or anxious or you know all those things. 1:14:16.360 --> 1:14:19.040 That's what makes life. We're living like training, right. It's 1:14:19.080 --> 1:14:22.320 like if you keep sticking your hand inside it, I 1:14:22.400 --> 1:14:24.960 don't know, a raccoon cage or something, and it bites 1:14:25.000 --> 1:14:30.760 your hand, you're gonna speaking up. He purnt up at 1:14:30.840 --> 1:14:33.960 raccoon cage. But I mean, I think you guys get 1:14:34.000 --> 1:14:35.439 it with drink, and a lot of people would drink 1:14:35.439 --> 1:14:37.080 all the time, don't even understand how good you could 1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:38.920 be when you don't drink. And I hear these people 1:14:38.960 --> 1:14:40.559 all the time when they cut things out of their diet. 1:14:40.600 --> 1:14:43.320 I never knew I could feel this good. I never 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:44.920 knew I could feel as good as I felt when 1:14:44.920 --> 1:14:47.120 I cut bread out of my diet. I never knew 1:14:47.120 --> 1:14:48.640 how good I was gonna feel when I cut all 1:14:48.680 --> 1:14:50.000 these plants out of my diet, when I cut kill 1:14:50.000 --> 1:14:51.360 out of my diet. Had somebody email me that the 1:14:51.400 --> 1:14:54.040 other day. I never knew how good my gut, you know, 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:56.680 my stomach could feel until I cut kill out of 1:14:56.680 --> 1:15:00.800 my diet. Mysteriously blow seriously, you know, I was trying 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:02.519 to having Like I mean, I'll tell you, one of 1:15:02.560 --> 1:15:05.280 the best things about being eating a carnivore diet is 1:15:05.320 --> 1:15:07.760 you don't have to worry about farting, because that's really 1:15:07.840 --> 1:15:10.680 socially awkward and uncomfortable, you know, Like I mean. If 1:15:10.720 --> 1:15:12.720 you think a carnivore diet is hard on dating, try 1:15:12.760 --> 1:15:15.080 being a vegan because I was that too. I was 1:15:15.120 --> 1:15:17.200 a raw vegan for seven months. About you did that. 1:15:17.479 --> 1:15:19.639 I was a rab vegan for seven months. I was lost. 1:15:20.400 --> 1:15:24.120 I lost twenty five pounds of muscle mass, and all 1:15:24.160 --> 1:15:25.439 the people hang out with it were just like, man, 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:27.240 you have the worst part. Now, what were you doing that? 1:15:27.840 --> 1:15:30.600 Why was I doing it? Like thirteen years ago? A 1:15:30.680 --> 1:15:33.280 long time ago, so you'd like, do a lot of 1:15:33.320 --> 1:15:36.439 guinea pigging. I love it. Now what this is I'm 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:37.960 kind of annoyed by this question, but I have to 1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:41.200 ask you, when you're traveling, how are you how are 1:15:41.240 --> 1:15:43.320 you rigging up for your meals? Or it's just so 1:15:43.520 --> 1:15:45.680 simple because you're eating such simple things, it's not hard 1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:47.519 to get it. It's super simple. So we took I 1:15:47.560 --> 1:15:49.400 think that that's one of the reasons the desiccated stuff 1:15:49.439 --> 1:15:51.400 is super helpful, right, So we took the desicated stuff 1:15:51.400 --> 1:15:52.560 on the plane. If you don't want to travel with 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:56.200 liver and spleaning pancreas, it's hard to get. I have done, yeah, 1:15:57.240 --> 1:15:58.320 but it's hard to get. You know. We went to 1:15:58.400 --> 1:15:59.880 the co op here in Bozeman and I was like, 1:16:00.240 --> 1:16:02.120 do you guys have any spleen? They're like no, what 1:16:02.200 --> 1:16:04.040 about pancreas? No? And even liver. We might have a 1:16:04.080 --> 1:16:05.439 little liver. I was like, I sweet, I got one 1:16:06.479 --> 1:16:11.280 for a cat's psychologists hanging up in that place. Maybe 1:16:11.840 --> 1:16:14.040 you coming the door, because like all those old signs, 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:17.240 you like tear off a tab cat's cholos to get 1:16:17.240 --> 1:16:18.960 a shrink for your cat. I had to quit going 1:16:18.960 --> 1:16:22.040 into that store. But they had good meat. They had 1:16:22.040 --> 1:16:24.840 good meat. Maybe you can tell you that's right. Well, 1:16:24.840 --> 1:16:26.680 I'm waiting for the invite to dinner at Steve's house. 1:16:26.680 --> 1:16:28.360 I didn't get it yet. So that's that's about that. 1:16:28.479 --> 1:16:30.360 That's about all I got right now. But yeah, I 1:16:30.360 --> 1:16:32.879 mean it's it's super simple. So I think for traveling, 1:16:32.880 --> 1:16:34.080 I think, okay, what do I need to eat? I 1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:35.800 want to bring some suet, So I packed a little 1:16:36.000 --> 1:16:38.040 I got a little glass container. I brought some kidney fat. 1:16:38.120 --> 1:16:40.080 Who brings kidney fat on a plane except this guy. 1:16:40.400 --> 1:16:43.160 I brought some kidney fat. I brought some meat, and 1:16:43.320 --> 1:16:44.840 I forgot the liver. So I went to the store. 1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:47.800 I got some liver, and um, yeah, I brought some 1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:49.960 salt on the plane and I'm good. And so I 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:51.640 didn't finish telling you guys what I eat in a 1:16:51.680 --> 1:16:54.799 day because there's one other thing, because it's so interesting. 1:16:56.320 --> 1:16:57.760 So for the first year and a half I did it. 1:16:57.840 --> 1:17:00.479 I had no carbs, right, no cars It was all keto, 1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:02.800 low carb. And then I started thinking about this a 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:04.120 little more, and I thought, you know what, I think 1:17:04.160 --> 1:17:07.360 our ancestors would have had fruit occasionally seasonally. I know 1:17:07.479 --> 1:17:10.280 that the hods are really treasure hunty honey. Um. I 1:17:10.360 --> 1:17:12.799 got really interested in honey specifically, and there's really interesting 1:17:12.920 --> 1:17:16.160 data on honey being used to treat period on titus 1:17:16.320 --> 1:17:19.000 and ginger vitis. Honey is actually good for dental health 1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:21.360 in like the true form, which makes sense. It's a 1:17:21.360 --> 1:17:23.280 whole food. There's all kinds of compounds in there. And 1:17:23.320 --> 1:17:24.760 I was living in San Diego and I thought, you know, 1:17:24.840 --> 1:17:27.960 I feel a little cold sometimes I'm gonna reincorporate honey 1:17:28.000 --> 1:17:29.439 back in my diet and see how I feel. And 1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:31.200 of course, the you know part of me is like, 1:17:31.240 --> 1:17:33.200 I can't do that. It's it's not meat, and thought 1:17:33.240 --> 1:17:35.680 it's stupid to be dogmatic. Yeah, it's not a plan. 1:17:35.760 --> 1:17:37.880 And if vegans won't eat it, then I can eat it. 1:17:38.960 --> 1:17:41.120 That's the way I think about it. So I incorporated 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:43.120 honey back in my diet and I really like it. 1:17:43.280 --> 1:17:45.280 So a lot of days I'll incorporate honey in my 1:17:45.360 --> 1:17:49.160 diet and that makes the whole thing seem a lot 1:17:49.200 --> 1:17:51.400 more appealing to me. And that's why I want you 1:17:51.439 --> 1:17:53.240 guys to read that chapter in the book about the 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:55.280 Tier one carnivore diet where I say, hey, it's not 1:17:55.320 --> 1:17:57.920 about just eating meat. It's about eating meat in organs, 1:17:57.960 --> 1:17:59.720 but also knowing which parts of the plant are less 1:17:59.760 --> 1:18:02.240 tought sick. And there's a whole section of a carnivore 1:18:02.360 --> 1:18:03.960 ish diet in there where I say, okay, eat meat 1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:05.880 and organs, and then you can eat honey, and then 1:18:05.920 --> 1:18:09.360 like things like avocado and berries and squash. These are fruit. 1:18:09.960 --> 1:18:12.000 I think the fruit is the least toxic part of 1:18:12.040 --> 1:18:13.479 a plant. The plant is trying to get you to 1:18:13.520 --> 1:18:15.479 eat it most of the time. And so I think 1:18:15.520 --> 1:18:19.200 that generally speaking, fruit has been seasonally in our diets, 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:21.479 and so berries. So when I thought about this, Okay, 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:24.040 this is a version of an animal based diet. This 1:18:24.200 --> 1:18:25.880 is really how I want people to think about a 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:28.400 carnivore ish diet, an animal based diet. And we're gonna 1:18:28.439 --> 1:18:31.160 make a cookbook that's based on a carnivora is diet 1:18:31.280 --> 1:18:34.680 next year with the same publisher, and it's the idea like, hey, 1:18:34.800 --> 1:18:36.800 eat animal meat and organs as a center of your diet, 1:18:36.880 --> 1:18:39.680 and then you can also have you can have carbohydrates 1:18:39.680 --> 1:18:41.280 if you want them, but eat it from the least 1:18:41.320 --> 1:18:43.920 toxic plant sources. Get rid of the kale and we 1:18:43.960 --> 1:18:45.639 can talk about why, and get rid of the seeds. 1:18:45.960 --> 1:18:48.799 But if you want to do things like avocado or squash, 1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:51.880 or berries or an apple or seasonal fruit, those are 1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:54.719 probably really fine for you. And that I think opens 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:56.360 up the doors for a lot of people to to 1:18:56.520 --> 1:19:00.200 do this type of a diet. And it's the goal 1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:02.160 is not to be dogmatic. The goal is to help 1:19:02.280 --> 1:19:05.719 people get back to living well. Are you doing, honey 1:19:05.880 --> 1:19:09.600 right now? I do how much I do about do 1:19:09.640 --> 1:19:12.120 about a hundred and fifty grams of honey a day, 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:18.280 which is a lot um. So a tablespoon is fifteen grahams, 1:19:18.520 --> 1:19:23.640 so it's about seven to ten tablespoon's day. No milk, No, 1:19:23.680 --> 1:19:25.560 I don't do milk. I don't do dairy. Now, A 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:28.479 lot of people have trouble with dairy. An logically, I 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:30.160 think our ancestors wouldn't have even a ton of milk. 1:19:30.200 --> 1:19:31.880 I know the mess. I eat milk, but if you 1:19:31.960 --> 1:19:34.640 can tolerate milk, it's an animal food, it's great. Um. 1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:37.200 But I have trouble with caseine and way I had 1:19:37.200 --> 1:19:39.439 an X amount really bad, which is the reason that 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:41.720 I did a carnivore diet in the first place. You know, 1:19:41.760 --> 1:19:45.240 there's no ex amounts like bumpy. Yeah. Yeah, but my 1:19:45.320 --> 1:19:48.040 eximuma went went away completely when I did a carnivore 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:50.200 diet and I tried everything else. I tried Keto and 1:19:50.400 --> 1:19:52.280 Paley and all this other stuff, and it couldn't It 1:19:52.320 --> 1:19:55.600 didn't fix it. So that was the reason I did it. 1:19:55.720 --> 1:19:57.840 But dairy always triggers my EXI must, so I don't 1:19:57.880 --> 1:20:02.480 do it. Okay, do you think if you're giving recommendations 1:20:02.520 --> 1:20:08.640 to people do you think that, like distilled down, is 1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:12.320 your message more that you need people need to add 1:20:13.680 --> 1:20:17.320 to their diet or they needed to take away from 1:20:17.320 --> 1:20:19.360 their diet. I think if you had to do one thing, 1:20:19.439 --> 1:20:21.920 it would be to simplify, and the one thing the 1:20:22.040 --> 1:20:23.800 first thing. So if you wanted to make a hierarchy, right, 1:20:23.840 --> 1:20:25.120 if people wanted to, If I if I were gonna 1:20:25.120 --> 1:20:27.559 recommend people do one thing, it's get rid of those 1:20:27.640 --> 1:20:30.080 vegetable oils. And this hasn't been the total focus of 1:20:30.080 --> 1:20:33.040 our conversation. So I think that if you're gonna do 1:20:33.160 --> 1:20:35.599 one thing, it would be get rid of those vegetable oils. 1:20:35.680 --> 1:20:37.880 And they're in a lot of things, right, So this 1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:42.600 is corn, canola, saf flower, sunflower, soybean oils. They're in 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:44.760 a lot of foods. If you eliminate those from your 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:47.080 diet and change nothing else, I think a lot of 1:20:47.120 --> 1:20:49.519 people will get to a better place in health. Now. 1:20:49.920 --> 1:20:52.200 I hope people won't stop there. I hope they will 1:20:52.240 --> 1:20:55.080 then add an animal meeting organs, and then I hope 1:20:55.120 --> 1:20:57.760 they will think about the plants they're eating and if 1:20:57.800 --> 1:20:59.439 they can get rid of the most toxic plants. There's 1:20:59.479 --> 1:21:01.519 like three apps, but that's the first step, and the 1:21:01.520 --> 1:21:03.720 first step is just simplify and get rid of the 1:21:03.760 --> 1:21:05.720 processed foods which are really full of those oils, and 1:21:05.720 --> 1:21:08.000 stop cooking with those oils. And part of that for 1:21:08.000 --> 1:21:11.080 a lot of people is also getting the best quality 1:21:11.120 --> 1:21:14.000 meat they can too, you know, because a lot of 1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:15.840 the meat that's fed corn and soy, these are not 1:21:16.000 --> 1:21:19.200 species appropriate diets and it can accumulate. It's what we 1:21:19.320 --> 1:21:21.800 know about things like pigs is that if you feed 1:21:21.880 --> 1:21:23.600 pigs corn and soy, their fat is going to be 1:21:23.680 --> 1:21:26.920 enriched in linelaic acid. And so that's probably a problem 1:21:26.960 --> 1:21:28.479 for a lot of people too. But first thing, cut 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:30.200 out those vegetable oils and everything with them in it. 1:21:30.479 --> 1:21:35.960 That's higher than cutting out sugar. It is. No I'm 1:21:36.000 --> 1:21:38.240 not saying I want people to keep eating sugar, but 1:21:38.320 --> 1:21:41.000 I think I think I think that I think that 1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:45.599 the single greatest driver of chronic disease and metabolic dysfunction 1:21:45.640 --> 1:21:48.120 in humans is excess linelaic acid. And you can actually 1:21:48.200 --> 1:21:50.880 look at this. There's a fascinating set of graphs out there. 1:21:50.920 --> 1:21:54.280 You can look at human consumption of sugar and grains, 1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:57.240 and you can look at the rates of obesity and 1:21:57.280 --> 1:21:59.200 the rates of diabetes and the rates of chronic disease. 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:02.040 And though if you look at those graphics, you can 1:22:02.080 --> 1:22:06.080 look at in from consumption of grains and sugar went 1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:10.000 up and sort did our consumption of vegetable oil massively, 1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:15.680 and then around um and rates of diabetes and obesity 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:20.960 and chronic disease went up to but around between now 1:22:22.280 --> 1:22:24.840 rates of grain consumption and sugar have actually gone down, 1:22:25.720 --> 1:22:28.320 the vegetable oil has continued to rise, and we are 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:31.880 still getting much fatter, much sicker, much more diabetic, and 1:22:32.040 --> 1:22:34.640 much worse from an autoimmune perspective. So again this is 1:22:34.720 --> 1:22:39.599 just all correlational sort of inference. But what you see 1:22:39.680 --> 1:22:43.160 here is like, huh, this is interesting, and I think, yeah, 1:22:43.200 --> 1:22:44.680 sugar is not a great thing for humans at all, 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:48.320 and honey actually looks to behave differently than sugar in humans. 1:22:49.200 --> 1:22:52.120 But if you had to do one thing, it would 1:22:52.120 --> 1:22:55.400 be vegetable oils in my opinion, No ship real quick 1:22:55.439 --> 1:22:58.360 explaining what's the problem with with If you're like, what's 1:22:58.400 --> 1:23:01.080 the problem with Brian meat? Like if the meat is 1:23:01.120 --> 1:23:03.519 okay and the oil is okay, what happens when you 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:06.559 get it's super hot and cook one and the other right, 1:23:06.840 --> 1:23:10.240 So now I think if you're gonna cook meat in oil, 1:23:10.320 --> 1:23:12.680 you want to do it an animal fat. Oh. Can 1:23:12.720 --> 1:23:14.400 I just tell you one of my new favorites. We've 1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:16.519 had it like three times in the last ten days. 1:23:17.000 --> 1:23:20.200 I raised a bunch of wild turkey thighs and legs, 1:23:20.360 --> 1:23:23.360 and then I've got a jar Brody's bear grease bar 1:23:23.520 --> 1:23:26.240 oil from last fall, and I've been just frying that. 1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:31.040 It's funny if i'd turkey meat in oil in bar oil. Yeah, 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:33.240 it's funny because if I did it in like vegetable 1:23:33.280 --> 1:23:35.639 oil and peanut oil, I'd be like real careful about 1:23:35.680 --> 1:23:38.879 like taking the meat out and sort of like straining 1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:40.560 it or draining or whatever. But when I do it 1:23:40.560 --> 1:23:42.800 in that bear grease, I'm just like, man, I hope 1:23:42.840 --> 1:23:45.080 it soaks it up so that me and the kids 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:48.320 are eating it, you know, because it's good. It is good, 1:23:48.760 --> 1:23:51.240 And so I got keep explaining a little bit better. 1:23:51.720 --> 1:23:53.320 I mean the same way that you say, like you 1:23:53.479 --> 1:23:55.519 you'd like to crisp up your Oh, I didn't know 1:23:55.560 --> 1:23:57.880 if you meant your drop like you're dropping a drumstick, 1:23:57.960 --> 1:24:01.080 like frying a drumstick, like like picked braised meat and 1:24:01.160 --> 1:24:03.360 then you fry it and then put it on something. Yeah, 1:24:04.560 --> 1:24:06.160 and what are you get into up the word again, 1:24:07.240 --> 1:24:13.719 you're getting all messed up on um lipid peroxide. Yeah, Okay, 1:24:13.800 --> 1:24:15.840 break that down for me. So it is very bad 1:24:16.600 --> 1:24:20.280 if maybe maybe not. So you heat it up and 1:24:20.439 --> 1:24:22.800 something bad happen. You heat it up at something bad happens. Now, 1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:24.920 humans have probably been dealing with this for a long 1:24:25.000 --> 1:24:27.200 long time. We know that when we eat foods there 1:24:27.200 --> 1:24:30.320 are compounds produced. When we heat foods and dry heated 1:24:30.360 --> 1:24:32.960 high temperatures, there are lots of things produced that our 1:24:33.000 --> 1:24:36.040 body has to kind of detoxify. Now, a lot of 1:24:36.080 --> 1:24:38.000 people will point to meat and say, oh, you shouldn't 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:41.240 eat meat that's charged or grilled because of these compounds. 1:24:41.280 --> 1:24:44.520 And some of these are polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and heterosticic 1:24:44.600 --> 1:24:46.680 a means, and the body has a way to deal 1:24:46.760 --> 1:24:49.360 with these. But the question is just how much can 1:24:49.400 --> 1:24:51.599 we detoxify and are we you know, are we putting 1:24:51.600 --> 1:24:54.160 a stress on the body. I think that most people, 1:24:54.720 --> 1:24:57.840 if they're healthy and have enough nutrients from good animal 1:24:57.880 --> 1:25:00.960 meat and oregans, can make enough lutth ione, which is 1:25:01.000 --> 1:25:03.559 our endogenous antioxidant. It's how it's part of how our 1:25:03.560 --> 1:25:07.680 body deals with this to detoxify these compounds. But as 1:25:07.800 --> 1:25:10.720 the astronaut, I just thought, what if I decrease them 1:25:10.720 --> 1:25:13.040 as low as possible in my diet? Do I feel better? 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:15.120 Do my labs change? That's why I do it. I 1:25:15.200 --> 1:25:17.080 just want to experiment and see, like what's the end? 1:25:17.200 --> 1:25:19.880 You know, how do we get people there? The same 1:25:20.000 --> 1:25:21.920 kind of things are happen when you cook food. I 1:25:21.960 --> 1:25:25.760 mean when you cook plants. So coffee has heterocyclic A 1:25:25.800 --> 1:25:28.760 means as well, and so there's a lot even if 1:25:28.800 --> 1:25:31.120 you cook bread and your brown bread or your toast bread. 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:34.040 There are things like Malleard products, advanced Liketion end products. 1:25:34.120 --> 1:25:37.560 So cooking food creates things that the body has to detoxify. 1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:39.840 We probably have the ability to do it somewhat. You 1:25:39.880 --> 1:25:42.320 just don't want to overload the system, okay, And I 1:25:42.400 --> 1:25:45.320 think that you're underlying health probably determines how well you're 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:47.479 able to detox about that, So in my mind, I thought, 1:25:47.560 --> 1:25:49.280 what if I just don't get my body any of 1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:51.080 that or the smallest amount possible. And that's kind of 1:25:51.080 --> 1:25:54.800 the experiment I'm doing. I'll agree cooking a ribby and 1:25:54.920 --> 1:25:57.040 tallow is delicious when you get the crust on it. 1:25:57.520 --> 1:26:00.440 What you're talking about there sounds delicious, crispy. Things arelicious. 1:26:00.680 --> 1:26:03.000 And if you're gonna cook in oil, cooking animal fat, 1:26:03.080 --> 1:26:06.479 do not cooking vegetable oil, please. When you cook fats, 1:26:06.520 --> 1:26:09.599 you get what are called lipid peroxides. These are essentially 1:26:09.720 --> 1:26:13.200 free radicals formed by lipids. So a lipid is a 1:26:13.240 --> 1:26:16.040 fat molecule. And what we're talking about here now are electrons, 1:26:16.080 --> 1:26:20.320 and we're talking about unpaired electrons. And these molecules are reactive. 1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:23.120 They can move around the human body and cause damage, 1:26:23.120 --> 1:26:25.560 and so your body has to detoxify them. So I 1:26:25.640 --> 1:26:27.479 think it's just for me. It was the experiment, how 1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:29.479 do I get the least amount of the ease of possible? 1:26:29.840 --> 1:26:31.479 And then can I see in my blood work that 1:26:31.600 --> 1:26:35.120 things like lipid peroxides change or other markers of oxidative stress, 1:26:36.240 --> 1:26:38.439 you know, esoteric markers I use in medicine, like eight 1:26:38.520 --> 1:26:41.639 hydroxy two deoxy iguanasine, which is a marker of DNA damage, 1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:44.479 or malon dialdehyde, all that kind of stuff. So that's 1:26:44.520 --> 1:26:48.080 why I do it. Now, if if somebody came to 1:26:48.200 --> 1:26:50.439 me and said, am I eating too much of these, 1:26:50.479 --> 1:26:52.160 I'd say, well, let's just check some blood work. We 1:26:52.240 --> 1:26:55.479 can see you know, we can look at your oxidative stress. 1:26:55.479 --> 1:26:57.280 I can look at how much glue toothion you've got 1:26:57.560 --> 1:26:59.560 and how much of its oxidized versus reduce. So I 1:26:59.560 --> 1:27:01.439 could tell yeah, you know, like, oh, maybe you want 1:27:01.479 --> 1:27:03.040 to stop doing that as much, or maybe it just 1:27:03.080 --> 1:27:05.479 needs more of the nutrients that are going to allow 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:07.280 your body to talk about stuff. But that's why I 1:27:07.320 --> 1:27:09.080 do it. Does that make sense? And I'm only not 1:27:09.160 --> 1:27:12.080 trying to be a party pooper, you know, talk about 1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:13.519 like the most boring way to eat food. I just 1:27:13.520 --> 1:27:26.599 think about it medically too. Remember earlier, we're talking about 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:30.680 objective realities. Okay, I imagine that in the medical community, 1:27:31.600 --> 1:27:36.240 it's possible to draw someone's blood and then look at 1:27:36.960 --> 1:27:39.559 the blood do the blood work on someone, and there 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:44.880 probably isn't there's probably like an academic consensus about what 1:27:46.640 --> 1:27:49.800 the markers in there, whether that's a healthy person or not. 1:27:49.920 --> 1:27:52.519 Is that true or not true? Generally? Is there something 1:27:52.600 --> 1:27:54.920 still to argue about. There are a few things to 1:27:55.040 --> 1:27:58.040 argue about, but percent of it is like, yeah, we 1:27:58.080 --> 1:28:00.360 can look at inflammatory markers, we can look at markers 1:28:00.400 --> 1:28:03.160 of oxidation, lipid, peroxydes, all that kind of stuff. Yes, Okay, 1:28:03.600 --> 1:28:06.439 so if we drew yours. Let's say I drew yours 1:28:06.439 --> 1:28:08.240 and I took it and just showed I drew your 1:28:08.280 --> 1:28:10.640 blood and had your blood work drawn up, and I 1:28:10.720 --> 1:28:13.240 took it and showed it to It's just a random 1:28:13.320 --> 1:28:16.240 doctor coming down the road. Yeah, I'd be like, hey, man, 1:28:16.320 --> 1:28:18.120 what what's up? What do you think when you look 1:28:18.120 --> 1:28:20.560 at this right? What would they be able to tell me? 1:28:20.680 --> 1:28:25.160 Would they say, man, oh, that's really surprising to see 1:28:25.320 --> 1:28:29.519 such low or such high this and that they would 1:28:29.560 --> 1:28:31.559 just say that guy looks really healthy for the most part, 1:28:31.600 --> 1:28:33.160 except for one thing. And we can get into that 1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:35.560 if you want, Like, well, I mean, what is the 1:28:35.600 --> 1:28:37.520 one thing? The one thing is l d L cholesterol, 1:28:37.600 --> 1:28:39.760 which is a whole rabbit hole to go down. So 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:42.120 but that would pop out to them, that would pop 1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:43.800 out to them for sure, you have a lot of it. 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:45.679 I have a lot of l d L in my body. 1:28:46.080 --> 1:28:47.960 I do, I do, And everybody's been told that L 1:28:48.000 --> 1:28:50.479 d L is bad for you. But there's a whole 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:52.639 chapter in my book kind of breaking down that myth 1:28:52.680 --> 1:28:55.840 and talking about how the lipid hypothesis is really wrong 1:28:55.920 --> 1:28:58.880 in my opinion and widely challenged. So we can go 1:28:58.920 --> 1:29:01.120 down the shot they would see or they'd be like, yeah, 1:29:01.120 --> 1:29:02.920 the gala's great. Yeah, if you don't show my LDL. 1:29:03.160 --> 1:29:04.600 If you if you just cover up L d L 1:29:04.600 --> 1:29:06.320 and look at it, they be like, Wow, there's no inflammation. 1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:09.200 His kidneys look fine, his liver looks fine. He's got 1:29:09.240 --> 1:29:11.880 plenty of vitamin markers. He's got his vitamin D is high. Man, 1:29:11.920 --> 1:29:14.640 it's testosterones high. Everything, that's good. What am I? What 1:29:14.680 --> 1:29:16.280 am I looking at this guy? Like? How am I 1:29:16.320 --> 1:29:18.160 looking at here? And then it showing the LDL and 1:29:18.200 --> 1:29:19.640 they kind of like fall out of their chair and 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:22.840 they'd say, what, he's gonna die. He's gonna he's gonna die. 1:29:22.880 --> 1:29:26.320 He needs a statin. Yeah, yeah, I say he needs 1:29:26.360 --> 1:29:28.040 med's yeah. Absolutely. And I can tell you the story. 1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:29.960 It's a pretty interesting story. But you don't need one. 1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:34.400 I definitely don't. So when my dad, so I'm forty three, 1:29:35.320 --> 1:29:37.719 When my dad was forty three, he had a heart attack. 1:29:38.320 --> 1:29:41.679 So I have a primary relative who had an early 1:29:41.760 --> 1:29:46.519 onset corner artery disease. Right, I've had a high quote 1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:49.240 LDL low density lip, a protein which is colloquially known 1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:54.080 as bad cholesterol, which is totally the wrong. Yeah. Yeah, 1:29:54.360 --> 1:29:57.000 I've had a high l d L four probably three 1:29:57.080 --> 1:29:58.720 plus years, I mean the whole time I've been doing 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:00.519 a carnivore diet. My l d l's and over two 1:30:00.640 --> 1:30:04.200 hundred and the last one I got was very high. 1:30:04.479 --> 1:30:06.320 And so we can go down rabbit holes. This is 1:30:06.320 --> 1:30:08.559 a very complex discussion about why l d L goes 1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:10.679 up and down. It probably has to do with ratio. 1:30:10.760 --> 1:30:13.200 Is a saturated fat unsaturated fat in the human body, 1:30:13.240 --> 1:30:16.719 and that goes back to previous discussions about whether saturated 1:30:16.760 --> 1:30:18.479 fat is actually bad for humans. I don't believe it 1:30:18.560 --> 1:30:20.400 is at all. It's part of something we've been eating forever. 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:23.880 But if you just pause there in my story, well 1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:25.720 I'll tell you the rest of the story. So I've 1:30:25.760 --> 1:30:28.479 had a high LDL for over two years, and because 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:29.760 it was so high, I thought, oh, this is a 1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:32.479 great opportunity to illustrate something. So I had what's called 1:30:32.479 --> 1:30:35.240 a coronary artery calcium score. They do a CT scan 1:30:35.320 --> 1:30:37.320 of your heart and they look for calcium in your arteries, 1:30:37.320 --> 1:30:42.320 which is calcified black. Not a perfect test, but pretty teeth. Yes, exceptually, 1:30:42.439 --> 1:30:44.120 and except it ends up in the heart arteries. And 1:30:44.160 --> 1:30:46.360 this is sort of telling you you have atheros school roses. 1:30:46.400 --> 1:30:48.679 This is the people to people worry about the plaque 1:30:48.720 --> 1:30:51.800 that ruptures in the arteries. Is this plaque? Right? So 1:30:52.120 --> 1:30:56.960 I have zero zero, And so in talking to cardiologists 1:30:57.080 --> 1:31:00.519 and in talking to cardiac radiologists, if you showed them 1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:02.599 my blood work, they would say, oh, yeah, that guy 1:31:02.680 --> 1:31:04.160 has a family history and his dad who had a 1:31:04.200 --> 1:31:05.840 heart attack at his age, and his l d L. 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:08.519 Right now, my l d L is five and thirty 1:31:08.560 --> 1:31:11.720 four milligrams for desci leader. Uh, most doctors want to 1:31:11.720 --> 1:31:14.240 see it under a hundred. So I'm like superstar and 1:31:14.400 --> 1:31:17.559 l d L I'm like massively high. And they would say, oh, yeah, 1:31:17.560 --> 1:31:19.479 that guy is gonna have plaque. I have zero plaque. 1:31:19.479 --> 1:31:21.840 And there are so many stories like mine about this. 1:31:22.000 --> 1:31:23.519 Now you could say it's not a perfect test, not 1:31:23.560 --> 1:31:26.200 a perfect test, but it's pretty darned sensitive for that 1:31:26.280 --> 1:31:28.120 kind of plaque. And I have a primary relative a 1:31:28.120 --> 1:31:30.160 heart attack in my age. Now I'll just keep getting 1:31:30.200 --> 1:31:32.040 them and showing people that at zero. But it challenges 1:31:32.120 --> 1:31:34.799 the idea that l d L cholesterol equals heart attacks, 1:31:34.800 --> 1:31:37.400 and I challenge this broadly in the book. This is 1:31:37.560 --> 1:31:39.880 such a big misunderstanding, and it's a lot of the 1:31:40.040 --> 1:31:42.960 reason that vegetable oils get recommended to us as healthy 1:31:43.000 --> 1:31:47.000 because vegetable oils lower L d L. Saturated fat raises 1:31:47.160 --> 1:31:49.679 L d L. And yet what do we know about 1:31:50.120 --> 1:31:53.040 vegetable oils. We know they're very unhealthy for people, And 1:31:53.160 --> 1:31:55.000 what do we know about saturated fat, Well, it's pretty 1:31:55.040 --> 1:31:58.200 darned healthy for people. There's a really famous trial called 1:31:58.240 --> 1:32:03.160 the Minnesota Cornery Experiment which was done in nineteen seventy three, 1:32:04.160 --> 1:32:07.000 and they took I think it was over nine thousand people. 1:32:07.080 --> 1:32:10.040 This is a randomized, blinded study. It's interventional study, this 1:32:10.120 --> 1:32:14.400 is not epidemiology. It took over nine thousand people in Minnesota, 1:32:14.920 --> 1:32:17.720 and they put half of them on high saturated fat 1:32:17.800 --> 1:32:21.000 diets or higher saturated fat, and another half on higher 1:32:21.040 --> 1:32:24.080 polyN saturated fat from vegetable oil. And that trial went 1:32:24.160 --> 1:32:26.320 five years, and at the end of the trial, the 1:32:26.360 --> 1:32:29.040 people who had more polyan saturated fat had higher rates 1:32:29.040 --> 1:32:32.680 of death from cancer, heart disease, and overall all cause mortality. 1:32:33.160 --> 1:32:36.640 They clearly died more of all sorts of badness when 1:32:36.680 --> 1:32:38.920 they had more polyan saturated fats. It's a huge study, 1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:40.760 it's very well done. It's sort of like cut and 1:32:40.880 --> 1:32:44.880 dry vegetable oils are horrible for humans, and these are 1:32:44.880 --> 1:32:47.320 the oils that are cardiologists will tell us to eat 1:32:47.360 --> 1:32:50.000 because they lower L d L, and our framework for 1:32:50.080 --> 1:32:54.679 cardiovascular health is entirely l d L centric, totally eldal centric. 1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:56.960 If it raises LDL, it is bad. If it lowers LDEL, 1:32:57.000 --> 1:32:59.479 it's good. Except if you actually dig into the medical 1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:01.120 literature and this gets to be a little les oteric, 1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:03.240 and you look at this. What you find is that 1:33:03.360 --> 1:33:06.280 when you give someone polyon saturated fats like linoleic acid, 1:33:06.320 --> 1:33:10.480 like vegetable oils, they're LDL goes down, but they're oxidized. 1:33:10.600 --> 1:33:13.120 L d L goes up, and another marker called LP 1:33:13.240 --> 1:33:15.559 little A, which is a marker for oxidation and LDL 1:33:15.680 --> 1:33:18.000 also goes up. What we now know is that it's 1:33:18.040 --> 1:33:19.640 not so much about the L d L that you have, 1:33:20.200 --> 1:33:22.840 it's about how much of that is suffering oxidation. There's 1:33:22.840 --> 1:33:25.200 that word again, so oxidation. That's the kind of stuff 1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:27.720 I'm worried about with lipid peroxides and free radicals, and 1:33:28.080 --> 1:33:31.320 polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons is oxidative stress. We're talking about the 1:33:31.360 --> 1:33:34.519 movement of electrons, So you really don't want your l 1:33:34.600 --> 1:33:37.519 d L to be oxidized. And when you give someone 1:33:37.600 --> 1:33:40.400 vegetable oil, more LD'LL gets oxidized. The overall amount of 1:33:40.439 --> 1:33:43.680 l DL goes down, but more LDL gets oxidized. So 1:33:43.840 --> 1:33:47.360 this is one of the sort of last or it's 1:33:47.400 --> 1:33:49.639 just not even a last one. It's just a very 1:33:49.880 --> 1:33:52.560 widely held belief that needs to die because it's just 1:33:52.840 --> 1:33:55.200 wrong and it's hurting people. And in the book, I 1:33:55.240 --> 1:33:57.439 kind of break this down. There's lots of other studies 1:33:57.520 --> 1:34:01.439 that show that more l d L does not always 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:04.280 equal more cornary arter disease. And it's not the fact 1:34:04.360 --> 1:34:06.479 that LDL just goes into your arteries and causes plaque. 1:34:06.520 --> 1:34:09.240 That doesn't make any sense. Because LDL load density liver 1:34:09.280 --> 1:34:12.080 protein is a boat in your body. It's like a 1:34:12.160 --> 1:34:14.799 bus and moves things around the body. It's valuable for humans. 1:34:15.320 --> 1:34:19.679 It moves steroid backbone molecules to your testicles, to the ovaries, 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:21.519 to the adrenal glands, to your brain to make all 1:34:21.560 --> 1:34:25.240 the hormones that make us human beings. We need. This molecule, 1:34:25.800 --> 1:34:28.479 l d L and HDL it's counterpart, also play a 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:31.920 role in the immune response. If you talk about kids 1:34:32.000 --> 1:34:34.639 who don't have enough l d L, they get sick 1:34:34.720 --> 1:34:38.040 way more often. There's a genetic condition with a mutation 1:34:38.160 --> 1:34:41.240 in the enzyme that makes cholesterol. Now, cholesterol is a 1:34:41.280 --> 1:34:43.920 steroid backbone molecule that gets packaged into the l d 1:34:44.080 --> 1:34:47.440 L particle. L d L is a bus that carries triglycerides, 1:34:47.479 --> 1:34:51.200 which are fat molecules, and cholesterol, and so l d 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:54.519 L and cholesterol are sort of synonymous colloquially, but that's 1:34:54.560 --> 1:34:57.639 not really the correct terminology. Cholesterol is a steroid backbone 1:34:57.680 --> 1:35:00.559 molecule that gets made by our body and packaged into 1:35:00.720 --> 1:35:03.280 l d L. There's a genetic condition called Smith Lemley 1:35:03.360 --> 1:35:06.400 op Pits syndrome in which kids can't make or humans 1:35:06.760 --> 1:35:10.320 can't make LDL or they can't make cholesterol, which results 1:35:10.320 --> 1:35:12.080 in very low levels of l d L. A lot 1:35:12.120 --> 1:35:14.720 of these kids die in utero, and those that are 1:35:14.760 --> 1:35:18.720 born have pretty seriously bad medical conditions. They have a 1:35:18.760 --> 1:35:21.240 lot of times mental retardation, they have recurring infections, and 1:35:21.280 --> 1:35:23.720 the way they are treated is they are given egg 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:26.320 yolks they are given lots and lots of egg yolks, 1:35:26.360 --> 1:35:28.960 which are super rich in cholesterol. So we give kids 1:35:29.080 --> 1:35:31.720 back cholesterol and they do better when they can't make it. 1:35:32.320 --> 1:35:34.360 And yet we are told by the medical establishment that 1:35:34.439 --> 1:35:38.920 this molecule, this l d L cholesterol molecule, or cholesterol 1:35:38.960 --> 1:35:41.479 in general, are trying to kill us. And it kind 1:35:41.479 --> 1:35:43.040 of goes back to this theme that we've been talking 1:35:43.040 --> 1:35:46.160 about throughout this podcast. Why would something that has been 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:49.800 an essential part of our evolution suddenly be bad for us, 1:35:49.800 --> 1:35:52.400 whether it's eating me and organs, or whether it's a 1:35:52.520 --> 1:35:55.439 molecule that's essential to human health, why would that be 1:35:55.600 --> 1:35:58.519 bad for us? We have to rethink these paradigms, but 1:35:58.680 --> 1:36:01.080 so much of medicine move so lowly. It's like the Titanic. 1:36:01.160 --> 1:36:04.080 You just can't change these paradigms. They're just so bent 1:36:04.240 --> 1:36:05.560 on it. But that's why I do the work I do. 1:36:06.600 --> 1:36:09.080 L d L is not the enemy. The enemy is 1:36:09.120 --> 1:36:13.120 the underlying metabolic dysfunction and or it's synonymous with insulin 1:36:13.200 --> 1:36:16.519 resistance or pre diabetes. That really lights the LDL on fire, 1:36:16.600 --> 1:36:19.320 but it didn't cause the blaze. So at a very 1:36:19.360 --> 1:36:21.120 broad strokes level, I asked people to think about it 1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:24.639 like this. Imagine l d L like wood in your garage. 1:36:25.280 --> 1:36:27.360 You're not gonna get spontaneous conduction into that would. You 1:36:27.400 --> 1:36:29.759 have to have a spark, And that spark is underlying 1:36:29.800 --> 1:36:33.120 metabolic disfunction. Without a spark, that l d L is 1:36:33.120 --> 1:36:35.120 actually just valuable because you can build a house out 1:36:35.120 --> 1:36:37.200 of it. You could build a house or a cabin, 1:36:37.400 --> 1:36:39.360 or you could build a treehouse for your kids out 1:36:39.400 --> 1:36:41.160 of that wood in your garage. But if you get 1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:43.120 gasoline there and you light a fire, that that wood's 1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:45.640 gonna go up. So because the LDL is involved in 1:36:45.680 --> 1:36:47.839 a plaque, doesn't mean that l d L caused the plaque. 1:36:48.680 --> 1:36:50.760 It's the spark. And so what is the spark. The 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:54.559 spark is metabolic dysfunction. How does metabolicas function come about? 1:36:55.240 --> 1:36:59.680 Linelaic acid and vegetable oils explain to me as though 1:37:00.040 --> 1:37:05.160 five years old katosis. Okay, the keto diet. So this 1:37:05.240 --> 1:37:07.320 is a completely different we're going off topic. Oh no, yeah, 1:37:07.320 --> 1:37:10.120 we're going we're going. Yeah, okay, So I'm being mindful 1:37:10.160 --> 1:37:12.400 of where we're at, where we gotta get so we're 1:37:12.479 --> 1:37:14.720 pos if I walk out of here. Oh no, there's 1:37:14.720 --> 1:37:16.120 a pause, because I thought we were like I thought 1:37:16.160 --> 1:37:18.000 that that felt like a great summation. I just I 1:37:18.000 --> 1:37:19.880 just thought you maybe you ask that questions. Okay, No, 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:22.880 I never knew any of that stuff because over here 1:37:22.880 --> 1:37:24.439 shaking his head like, well, you know, like I know, 1:37:24.760 --> 1:37:26.400 I love it. It's just I'm gonna ask to listen 1:37:26.400 --> 1:37:29.200 to this podcast again too, because there's just a lot 1:37:29.280 --> 1:37:31.920 of words that you know, this is the first time 1:37:31.960 --> 1:37:33.680 I've heard them, right, So let me know if you 1:37:33.760 --> 1:37:37.479 want to clarify them, and I'll do my best. I 1:37:37.520 --> 1:37:39.599 think we can move on. I want to go. We're 1:37:39.600 --> 1:37:42.360 talking about Keto. Yeah, we got a little checklists and 1:37:42.360 --> 1:37:45.720 stuff we got um Janni weirdly put one down and 1:37:45.760 --> 1:37:48.600 took it away. Oh no, it's back again. What what 1:37:48.720 --> 1:37:51.679 did I take away? Oh no, I'm still there. Sorry, Okay, 1:37:52.360 --> 1:37:56.400 ketosis like I'm five, Okay, like I'm five. Were here 1:37:56.479 --> 1:37:59.360 a lot these days about the Keto diet. Going into 1:38:00.640 --> 1:38:02.760 like going into katosa sounds like a bad thing, would 1:38:02.800 --> 1:38:05.720 have like something bad is happening to you. Traditionally people 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:07.439 have thought about keatos is a bad thing, but I 1:38:07.479 --> 1:38:08.920 don't think it is at all. I think it's it's 1:38:08.960 --> 1:38:15.720 our bodies very precisely evolved defense mechanism against oarvation. It's 1:38:15.760 --> 1:38:19.519 basically how your body uses stored fat as fuel. So 1:38:19.680 --> 1:38:21.519 you have a couple of gas tanks in your body. 1:38:22.000 --> 1:38:24.880 You're like a car with two gas tanks. One gas 1:38:24.960 --> 1:38:27.200 tank is called glycogen, it's in your liver and your muscles, 1:38:27.240 --> 1:38:31.280 and the other gas tank is called fat. And generally speaking, 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:33.519 if humans are fat, they can survive a long winter. 1:38:33.600 --> 1:38:35.720 You've got stored fat. We don't want to be extra fat, 1:38:36.160 --> 1:38:38.280 but we've all got a couple of pounds, many pounds 1:38:38.320 --> 1:38:40.080 of fat in our bodies, so that if we don't eat, 1:38:40.439 --> 1:38:42.120 or we don't have a successful hunt, we can turn 1:38:42.200 --> 1:38:45.360 that into fuels. For one second, is it true that 1:38:46.000 --> 1:38:52.760 that that fat people um stay warm better? I think thermodynamically, yeah, 1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:54.080 it makes sense. I mean just from a I mean 1:38:54.240 --> 1:38:56.519 whenever I've been out surfing in the ocean and there's 1:38:56.560 --> 1:38:59.840 fat guys out there, they're often way way way warmer 1:38:59.880 --> 1:39:03.120 than I am. I mean it's like seal blubber right, 1:39:03.160 --> 1:39:05.400 Like it's insulation because like people are like, oh, yeah, 1:39:05.400 --> 1:39:08.519 you're cold because you're skinny, it's possible. Am I am cold? Well? 1:39:08.760 --> 1:39:11.200 And sometimes whop sometimes who get cold because they their 1:39:11.240 --> 1:39:13.920 thyroid doesn't work. But you know, all things being equal, 1:39:14.000 --> 1:39:16.559 you know, if we have equivalent thyroid function and equivalent 1:39:16.600 --> 1:39:19.840 baseline metabolism, which is how you generate heat, because your 1:39:19.880 --> 1:39:22.920 body can generate its own heat with brown fat, things 1:39:22.960 --> 1:39:27.479 like that, mitochondrial uncoupling, the you can you know, if 1:39:27.520 --> 1:39:29.880 you put on a bunch of layers, you would be warmer. 1:39:29.920 --> 1:39:32.880 You know, hold on, do you understand what mitochondrial uncoupling is. 1:39:33.479 --> 1:39:35.360 Nobody understand if I put on a few layers, I'll 1:39:35.360 --> 1:39:37.320 be warmer. You know that if you put on a 1:39:37.400 --> 1:39:39.880 neoprene suit, you'd be warmer. So that's what it's doing. 1:39:39.960 --> 1:39:43.400 It's just like insulation. Now I'll get back into the keyto. 1:39:43.880 --> 1:39:47.280 So keyto. We have two energies ones in your muscle livers, 1:39:47.360 --> 1:39:48.880 ones in your fat, ones in your fat. And the 1:39:48.960 --> 1:39:51.840 way that you access your fat is through keytnes. In 1:39:52.000 --> 1:39:53.920 order to pull that fuel and burn it by the 1:39:53.960 --> 1:39:56.120 rest of your body. You turn that fat into keytnes, 1:39:56.800 --> 1:39:59.479 so you can do something called beta oxidation. And the 1:39:59.520 --> 1:40:01.439 way that you move that fat around your body is 1:40:01.439 --> 1:40:03.879 and keytones. It's one way that it happens. So keytones 1:40:03.920 --> 1:40:06.519 are just an alternative fuel that your body uses when 1:40:06.520 --> 1:40:09.080 you don't have enough carbohydrates or when you're starving in general. 1:40:09.560 --> 1:40:11.760 And that's essentially how it happens. You use that fat, 1:40:11.840 --> 1:40:14.519 you turn it in key tones. Those keytones move around 1:40:14.560 --> 1:40:16.920 the body and they get turned back into substrate that 1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:18.960 your body can use to burn. And the goal being 1:40:19.040 --> 1:40:21.760 to get rid of the fat, not necessarily to get 1:40:21.800 --> 1:40:24.000 rid of I mean, the goal of ketogenic diets is, yes, 1:40:24.080 --> 1:40:25.479 to get rid of the fat, but you can get 1:40:25.560 --> 1:40:28.320 rid of fat without being ketogenic, So what is the goal? 1:40:29.439 --> 1:40:33.559 Ketogenic diets were originally developed for kids with seizures because 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:36.680 they really yeah, because they realized medically, that's why they 1:40:36.720 --> 1:40:39.639 were developed. Humans have always been in ketosis. If you're 1:40:39.640 --> 1:40:41.800 out hunting and you don't have it, you don't eat 1:40:41.800 --> 1:40:44.120 anything for twenty four hours or seventy two hours, you're 1:40:44.120 --> 1:40:46.840 going into keytosis because your body is gonna use them. 1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:50.599 Everybody that fasts it goes into keytosis. Yeah, and our 1:40:50.600 --> 1:40:53.400 ancestors definitely had periods where they didn't have any substantially 1:40:53.479 --> 1:40:56.040 meaning you're tapping into body fat. You're tapping into body fat, 1:40:56.200 --> 1:40:57.640 and it's not you can also eat but if you 1:40:57.680 --> 1:41:00.800 don't get enough calories because your body has It's like 1:41:00.840 --> 1:41:02.679 you have a car. That car needs a certain amount 1:41:02.680 --> 1:41:05.120 of energy to run every day. The lights in this studio, 1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:07.160 you have to put energy into those lights. You have 1:41:07.200 --> 1:41:09.519 to put energy into this brain, these eyeballs. Everything in 1:41:09.600 --> 1:41:12.400 your body needs energy. So you if you only eat 1:41:13.240 --> 1:41:15.080 calories a day, how does your body make up the difference. 1:41:15.120 --> 1:41:16.679 It makes up the difference by pulling it from fat 1:41:16.840 --> 1:41:19.479 once it pulls out of glycogen the first gas tank. 1:41:19.520 --> 1:41:22.880 Your body uses glycogen generally speaking, and then it goes 1:41:22.920 --> 1:41:25.720 into fat once you exhaust the glycogen. So for most 1:41:25.760 --> 1:41:28.080 people it takes about twenty four hours to exhaust the 1:41:28.120 --> 1:41:30.800 glycogen and then your body switches over to burning fat 1:41:31.120 --> 1:41:34.080 and making it in ketones. Some people have less the glycogen, 1:41:34.400 --> 1:41:36.920 but if you don't eat carbohydrates, your body doesn't really 1:41:37.000 --> 1:41:40.639 make as much glycogen. That's a broad stroke statement because 1:41:42.040 --> 1:41:44.320 it's not entirely true, but in broad strokes, that's what 1:41:44.360 --> 1:41:47.040 we're talking about, that you have less stored carbohydrate when 1:41:47.080 --> 1:41:49.760 you are in ketoses, and that's then it puts you 1:41:49.840 --> 1:41:53.160 into catos is quicker quicker or you stay in ketosis 1:41:53.240 --> 1:41:57.200 long term because generally speaking, we have thought about ketoses 1:41:57.240 --> 1:41:59.960 as starvation or not eating. But you can eat food 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:02.600 would and still be in ketosis if you don't eat carbohydrates. 1:42:02.640 --> 1:42:05.360 Depending on the ratio of protein and fat. If you 1:42:05.439 --> 1:42:07.760 eat too much protein, you won't be in ketosis because 1:42:07.800 --> 1:42:11.479 your body can turn protein into glucose, right, But if 1:42:11.520 --> 1:42:13.479 you eat a lot of fat and a small amount 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:15.200 of protein or a modernmount of protein, you can get 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:18.599 into ketosis. Now what we know is is there a benefit? 1:42:20.240 --> 1:42:23.240 Is there a benefit to being in ketosis besides the 1:42:23.360 --> 1:42:26.920 fact besides the fact that you're diminishing fat, Like, what 1:42:27.000 --> 1:42:29.919 are you really getting from it? There are absolutely benefits 1:42:30.120 --> 1:42:31.960 to being in ketosis, but that doesn't mean you should 1:42:31.960 --> 1:42:35.120 be in it all the time. So it's kind of 1:42:35.160 --> 1:42:37.920 this evolutionary switch. We certainly would have had it occasionally. 1:42:38.479 --> 1:42:42.200 At a broad level, things change in your genetics. Different 1:42:42.280 --> 1:42:44.320 genes get turned on and off when you're a ketosis 1:42:44.360 --> 1:42:48.400 because these ketone molecules there are two major ketone molecules 1:42:48.439 --> 1:42:51.559 in your body. These ketone molecules affect which genes get 1:42:51.600 --> 1:42:54.000 turned on and off. And you'll here we will talk 1:42:54.000 --> 1:42:57.200 about this as quotes cellular house cleaning, and so what 1:42:57.360 --> 1:42:59.280 your body does is auto fogy. I don't know if 1:42:59.280 --> 1:43:01.200 you guys have heard that war. Cellular house cleaning, it 1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:05.080 means eating yourself. So it cleans up old, dead, kind 1:43:05.120 --> 1:43:08.720 of broken proteins and cells. When you're in that autophagy 1:43:08.800 --> 1:43:12.720 state and when you are eating less carbohydrates or when 1:43:12.760 --> 1:43:15.080 you are fasting, is when your body kind of goes 1:43:15.120 --> 1:43:18.960 toward auto It's a balance between building and tearing down. 1:43:19.600 --> 1:43:23.160 Talk about doing a cleanse yes and no, is it clean? 1:43:23.240 --> 1:43:25.120 And what? Well, there's a lot of stuff to clean. 1:43:25.280 --> 1:43:27.640 I mean there are there's a lot of cellular components 1:43:27.720 --> 1:43:30.160 for humans to clean, and we need to do this occasionally. 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:32.760 And your body has mechanisms the kind of clean house. 1:43:32.840 --> 1:43:35.040 Just like your house gets dirty whether you have kids 1:43:35.120 --> 1:43:36.400 or not. If you have kids, you know, your house 1:43:36.439 --> 1:43:39.920 just gets dirty by itself because of the kids. And 1:43:40.000 --> 1:43:42.320 even if you don't have kids, your house still gets dirty. 1:43:42.520 --> 1:43:44.639 This is entropy. Things break, they kind of go wrong. 1:43:45.080 --> 1:43:47.880 Your body needs time to do this cellular house cleaning, 1:43:48.240 --> 1:43:50.120 and this happens when you are fasting or when you 1:43:50.240 --> 1:43:51.800 can enable your body to do it. When you have 1:43:51.880 --> 1:43:54.519 a caloric deficit. So like I said, if you have 1:43:55.000 --> 1:43:58.800 if you have a baseline requirement for calories a day, 1:43:58.880 --> 1:44:00.840 or two thousand calories a day, and you only eat 1:44:00.880 --> 1:44:02.559 eight hundred, your body is gonna make up the rest 1:44:02.680 --> 1:44:05.960 by burning glycogen or by burning stored fat. And when 1:44:05.960 --> 1:44:07.240 you are in that state, when you were in a 1:44:07.320 --> 1:44:10.360 calorically deficient state, your body does this house cleaning state, 1:44:10.439 --> 1:44:12.680 this auto fog that's been associated with a lot of 1:44:12.760 --> 1:44:15.240 good things and humans, a lot of better outcomes and 1:44:15.400 --> 1:44:17.559 all kinds of things. So it's helpful, but you can 1:44:17.680 --> 1:44:19.479 over use it. It's something we should cycle in and 1:44:19.560 --> 1:44:21.560 out of, and it doesn't have to be complex. This 1:44:21.640 --> 1:44:23.280 is the way it always would have been. You don't 1:44:23.320 --> 1:44:25.559 get an animal every day you go hunting. Our ancestors 1:44:25.600 --> 1:44:27.479 didn't either. There were times they were fasting, there were 1:44:27.520 --> 1:44:30.080 times they had caloric deficits, and they were times they 1:44:30.240 --> 1:44:33.760 feasted and they had caloric excess. It's built into our physiology. 1:44:34.040 --> 1:44:37.000 The problem is that we eat every day. A lot 1:44:37.040 --> 1:44:38.840 of people eat every day and they have caloric excess 1:44:38.880 --> 1:44:41.639 every single day. They never do time restricted feeding. Remember 1:44:41.640 --> 1:44:43.559 earlier when I was talking about I was talking about 1:44:43.600 --> 1:44:46.040 my diet, and I eat two meals a day. I 1:44:46.120 --> 1:44:48.920 have a time restricted feeding window. That's just something I 1:44:49.120 --> 1:44:51.080 leverage most days where I eat breakfast in a late 1:44:51.160 --> 1:44:53.559 lunch and then all fast about sixteen hours every day, 1:44:53.560 --> 1:44:55.840 and I wake up in ketosis even though I'm eating 1:44:55.880 --> 1:44:59.960 honey right, So even though I'm getting hy grams of carbohydrates, 1:45:00.320 --> 1:45:02.880 I'm using my liver glycogen. My body is using stored 1:45:02.880 --> 1:45:06.200 fat to make keytones. But keytones are beneficial for humans 1:45:06.240 --> 1:45:08.879 and that they change things, and it's valuable, but it shouldn't. 1:45:08.880 --> 1:45:10.840 I don't think you should happen all the time, and 1:45:11.040 --> 1:45:12.800 so it should be sicklic and so the keyto genic 1:45:12.840 --> 1:45:15.320 diet is leveraging a lot of these ideas. But you 1:45:15.360 --> 1:45:17.840 don't have to be keyto to get into keytosis. You 1:45:17.880 --> 1:45:20.640 can eat carbohydrates and just fast, or you can eat 1:45:20.680 --> 1:45:24.920 carbohydrates and just do a calorie restricted diet on some days. 1:45:25.280 --> 1:45:28.120 Does that make sense? So, but it is valuable I 1:45:28.160 --> 1:45:31.799 think for humans to go into that state of caloric 1:45:31.920 --> 1:45:34.600 deficiency one way or another. The key to diet just 1:45:34.680 --> 1:45:36.559 makes it long term for people because they don't eat carps. 1:45:36.600 --> 1:45:39.160 I think there are downsides to that as well, um 1:45:39.800 --> 1:45:42.519 and we can talk about those if you want, uh, 1:45:43.160 --> 1:45:46.799 do you believe? Do you ever use the term fad diet? 1:45:48.000 --> 1:45:50.720 I mean, not for a carnivore diet. I've heard the term, 1:45:50.960 --> 1:45:54.000 but I had a friend one time that was on 1:45:54.080 --> 1:45:56.280 a diet where you were on a diet six days 1:45:56.320 --> 1:45:58.800 a week and then you had a cheap day, right. 1:45:59.680 --> 1:46:05.240 And I'm member when every dude that lived in certain 1:46:05.320 --> 1:46:07.599 towns where I hang out, like for instance, remember when 1:46:07.680 --> 1:46:10.519 like every dude in Miles City was on the Atkins diet. 1:46:11.760 --> 1:46:16.000 But they're not now, Okay, you're about like the Keto diet. 1:46:16.200 --> 1:46:20.240 And I'm assuming that soon people will not beyond the 1:46:20.320 --> 1:46:22.840 keyto diet just because the ebb and flow of diets. 1:46:23.439 --> 1:46:27.400 Like where does the carnivore diet fit into this? Like 1:46:27.600 --> 1:46:29.760 will it have it? Does it have a life expectancy? 1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:34.479 I hope not? And I hope that thinking outside of 1:46:34.479 --> 1:46:36.200 the box a little bit and not making it dogmatic 1:46:37.439 --> 1:46:41.080 will will give it that that that absence or will 1:46:41.200 --> 1:46:44.519 exempt it from a life expectancy. It's more of a lifestyle, 1:46:44.760 --> 1:46:46.880 and I hope I've done a decent job of helping 1:46:46.880 --> 1:46:50.200 people understand that. It's it's just the same asking the question, 1:46:50.240 --> 1:46:51.960 what do our ancestors do, and how do we to 1:46:52.040 --> 1:46:55.479 thrive to lifestyle. It's not a this diet or that diet. 1:46:55.520 --> 1:46:57.880 It's like, what are the foods that nourish us? What 1:46:57.960 --> 1:46:59.640 are the least toxic plants? How do we feel as 1:46:59.640 --> 1:47:01.680 good as we and as humans? That's my idea. What 1:47:01.760 --> 1:47:03.439 the carnin word? I You gotta call it something, right. 1:47:03.840 --> 1:47:05.160 I wish, you know, you could call it the carnin 1:47:05.200 --> 1:47:07.519 ward lifestyle, but people wouldn't understand what it was. But 1:47:07.600 --> 1:47:09.280 that's the way I think about it. It's just asking 1:47:09.400 --> 1:47:13.000 questions as a physician, as an outdoorsman, as somebody who 1:47:13.040 --> 1:47:14.920 likes to go run in the mountains and hunt. How 1:47:14.960 --> 1:47:16.240 do I get to do these things as well as 1:47:16.280 --> 1:47:19.000 I can? How do I help my patients and my clients? 1:47:19.040 --> 1:47:20.960 And what our ancestors do? Those are the questions that 1:47:21.000 --> 1:47:23.240 are most interesting to me. So I don't want it 1:47:23.280 --> 1:47:24.920 to have that and I certainly didn't make it up. 1:47:24.920 --> 1:47:26.240 I mean, I think our answers have been eating this 1:47:26.280 --> 1:47:27.880 way for a long time, and there's plenty of tribes. 1:47:28.320 --> 1:47:30.920 There's an Amazonian tribe called the Kayoe Menno who eat 1:47:30.960 --> 1:47:32.759 a lot of this way. They eat animal meeting organs 1:47:32.800 --> 1:47:36.360 and fruit when it's seasonal. Indigenous people don't eat vegetables 1:47:36.400 --> 1:47:40.679 like we think they do. They kind of get that stems, roots, seeds, 1:47:40.720 --> 1:47:45.400 and leaves, especially the stems, leaves and seeds, we're not 1:47:45.520 --> 1:47:47.640 really good human food. They're not very calorically dense. A 1:47:47.680 --> 1:47:49.519 lot of the time, I got a lot of toxins. 1:47:49.680 --> 1:47:51.840 So that's the idea there. So it's not intended to 1:47:51.880 --> 1:47:54.040 be a fad diet. And I've never been a super 1:47:54.080 --> 1:47:57.519 fan of the cheat day idea either, because it doesn't 1:47:57.560 --> 1:48:01.080 work human I saw the cheat day get abused. Yeah. Yeah, 1:48:01.160 --> 1:48:03.559 because look, I mean a lot of the a lot 1:48:03.600 --> 1:48:07.479 of people who are finding benefits with the carnivore cheesecake factory, right, 1:48:08.200 --> 1:48:11.160 they're finding benefits from an autoimmune perspective. And that's what's 1:48:11.160 --> 1:48:12.400 so interesting to me about it. A lot of the 1:48:12.439 --> 1:48:15.879 diseases we see in Western society or today are autoimmune lupus, 1:48:15.960 --> 1:48:19.160 show grins um, you know, autoimmune thyroid itis, all this 1:48:19.280 --> 1:48:21.080 kind of stuff. I mean, X and my like I had, 1:48:21.640 --> 1:48:24.720 these are autoimmune diseases. Our immune system is overactivated. There's 1:48:24.760 --> 1:48:26.680 something going on here, and the immune system has a 1:48:26.720 --> 1:48:28.920 longer memory than seven days. We know this with things 1:48:28.960 --> 1:48:31.519 like celiact disease or gluten intolerance. So if you really 1:48:31.520 --> 1:48:33.519 want your immune system to calm down, you gotta keep 1:48:33.640 --> 1:48:38.479 you gotta prevent, you know, exposing it to foods that 1:48:38.479 --> 1:48:40.280 are going to trigger it every seven days. A lot 1:48:40.280 --> 1:48:42.160 of people think about diets and food just from a 1:48:42.240 --> 1:48:44.200 weight loss perspective, and that's why I think a carnival 1:48:44.280 --> 1:48:46.439 diet is different. We're thinking about things in terms of 1:48:46.520 --> 1:48:47.960 human health and how we can help people live in 1:48:47.960 --> 1:48:51.519 the most quality lives. Weight loss is secondary, but Atkins 1:48:51.600 --> 1:48:53.840 was all about weight loss. All these diets are about 1:48:53.840 --> 1:48:55.800 weight loss, weight loss and how you look as a human. 1:48:56.200 --> 1:48:58.280 I'm more interested in how Yeah, that's a good point, man, 1:48:58.360 --> 1:49:00.400 I forgot about that. It was like it wasn't like 1:49:00.520 --> 1:49:04.040 optimal performance. It was aesthetic, right, aesthetic. I'm more interested 1:49:04.080 --> 1:49:07.720 in how you feel, how you how you how your 1:49:07.760 --> 1:49:10.720 mood is, how well you think, how poised you are, 1:49:11.080 --> 1:49:13.320 how emotionally calm you are with your kids and your 1:49:13.360 --> 1:49:15.439 wife or your husband or your partner. You know, like 1:49:15.640 --> 1:49:17.760 quality of life. And I think that if you do 1:49:17.920 --> 1:49:20.760 that you'll look good too. That's like a bonus. But 1:49:20.840 --> 1:49:24.160 I'm not going to sacrifice nutrition and optimal human health 1:49:24.240 --> 1:49:27.240 at the expense of somebody looking good. M hmm. Yeah. 1:49:27.280 --> 1:49:29.759 And weight Watch is probably the most the most famous 1:49:29.840 --> 1:49:32.560 diet ever and it's right in its name, right, and 1:49:32.640 --> 1:49:35.679 that's exactly what it's focused on. It's focused on aesthetics 1:49:35.760 --> 1:49:37.880 and weight loss. That cheat Day diet was that way 1:49:37.960 --> 1:49:42.080 too write with no attention to human health. I don't 1:49:42.080 --> 1:49:45.040 know what it was called the cheat day. I ain't 1:49:45.080 --> 1:49:47.000 a lot of them have that. Tim Ferris had a 1:49:47.080 --> 1:49:50.880 cheat day, I know when he talked about his Way eight. 1:49:51.360 --> 1:49:55.920 But Paleo sounds pretty similar to this, right, I mean 1:49:55.960 --> 1:49:58.680 they're always talking about eating with the ancestors eight, right, 1:49:58.840 --> 1:50:00.839 is there a big difference? There is a big difference. 1:50:00.920 --> 1:50:04.120 It asks the same questions. It just answers the question differently. 1:50:04.880 --> 1:50:07.200 It's saying, what are our ancestors eat? And actually, you 1:50:07.240 --> 1:50:08.800 know what's funny is I had I'm good friends with 1:50:08.920 --> 1:50:11.320 Rob Wolf who wrote the Paleo Solution, and Lauren Cordaine 1:50:11.520 --> 1:50:13.120 who wrote the Paleo Diet. I've had them both of 1:50:13.160 --> 1:50:15.519 my podcast, and I think as we start to think 1:50:15.560 --> 1:50:18.200 about this more, I love that question, how to our 1:50:18.240 --> 1:50:20.479 ancestors eat? I just have a different answer and My 1:50:20.600 --> 1:50:23.800 answer says, leafy greens and seeds hate you and don't 1:50:23.840 --> 1:50:26.040 want to get eaten. Kale doesn't love you back, you know, 1:50:26.280 --> 1:50:28.160 and a paleo diet. They're like, eat your leafy greens, 1:50:28.160 --> 1:50:30.560 and I'm like, no, leavy greens, spinach and kale, hey you, 1:50:30.720 --> 1:50:32.599 they don't want to get eaten. Don't eat those foods. 1:50:33.280 --> 1:50:35.320 So as much as you could call it the cardinal diet, 1:50:35.360 --> 1:50:37.680 you could also call me the anti broccoli crusader. Like 1:50:38.120 --> 1:50:39.880 that's what's different about it, you know. It's like I 1:50:39.920 --> 1:50:42.360 just wanted people to understand we draw the ideas a 1:50:42.400 --> 1:50:45.120 little different. We we ask the same questions. They're valuable questions, 1:50:45.280 --> 1:50:47.600 I think, but we just answer them differently based on 1:50:47.640 --> 1:50:51.000 anthropology and ethnography and biomedical science, and say, why are 1:50:51.040 --> 1:50:52.960 we eating kale in the first place? Let make any sense. 1:50:53.040 --> 1:50:55.040 It is interesting, man, when you go into a garden 1:50:55.120 --> 1:50:58.000 and you're like, uh, you know you grow tomatoes. You're like, yeah, 1:50:58.000 --> 1:50:59.920 I asked the member of the night shade family. Dude, 1:51:00.080 --> 1:51:01.640 that family is full of ship that will kill you. 1:51:01.640 --> 1:51:03.760 You know, absolutely if you eat this one. It's a 1:51:03.840 --> 1:51:06.880 certain way. But you know, you look at the animal kingdom. 1:51:07.000 --> 1:51:09.000 I mean you can point to that puffer fish liver, 1:51:09.640 --> 1:51:11.840 but generally, like my kids like, is that bird edible? 1:51:11.880 --> 1:51:15.080 I'm like, listen, man, all birds are edible. They're just edible. 1:51:15.800 --> 1:51:17.400 They're like they might not. I'm not telling you they're 1:51:17.400 --> 1:51:19.360 going to taste good, but they're edible, and they'll be like, 1:51:19.439 --> 1:51:22.240 is that animal edible? Yes, yes, that's exactly what we 1:51:22.280 --> 1:51:26.520 talked about. You know, there are a few rare exceptions 1:51:26.800 --> 1:51:30.479 that frog in the Amazon, the ones, the ones we 1:51:30.560 --> 1:51:35.839 know about, and the power fish. But of animals readible, 1:51:36.680 --> 1:51:38.920 you can't say that about plants, right, You just can't. 1:51:38.960 --> 1:51:42.400 And all the unique new like any vertebrate the lake, 1:51:42.560 --> 1:51:45.720 like can I eat that? You can eat that? You 1:51:45.880 --> 1:51:48.000 like it? You can eat it. And yet if you 1:51:48.040 --> 1:51:49.439 and I walk into the woods and we just start 1:51:49.520 --> 1:51:52.080 eating swaths of plants, we're gonna be We're gonna be 1:51:52.120 --> 1:51:54.439 pooping our pants before we get very fair. We get 1:51:54.520 --> 1:51:57.680 excited about the ones that don't mess you up. They're like, 1:51:58.160 --> 1:52:00.640 I mean I could eat this the plant, it's like 1:52:00.720 --> 1:52:04.160 a very small proportion that will. And the ones you 1:52:04.280 --> 1:52:06.160 point out, the ones you be like, no, ship, you 1:52:06.200 --> 1:52:08.200 can eat it. Yeah, it's not gonna be good for 1:52:08.280 --> 1:52:11.400 you which mushroom is not going to kill you? Yeah? Yeah, 1:52:11.439 --> 1:52:13.400 you mean this one won't kill me? Sweet man. You see, 1:52:13.760 --> 1:52:16.400 there's such a good point, right Anything that's like still 1:52:17.120 --> 1:52:19.200 and growing on the ground, you have to be worried 1:52:19.200 --> 1:52:21.600 about it. You have to have almost a doctorate to 1:52:21.680 --> 1:52:22.960 know if you can eat it or not yet. But 1:52:23.040 --> 1:52:27.280 if it runs or flies, good to go? Yeah, like berries, kids, like, 1:52:27.320 --> 1:52:29.240 can we eat this one? Man? I don't know they're not. 1:52:29.640 --> 1:52:31.120 I don't know if they're not, but that one I 1:52:31.240 --> 1:52:35.080 know is actually safe. That stands out as safe. And 1:52:35.200 --> 1:52:37.439 that's that's that? Isn't that so interesting? It just makes 1:52:37.439 --> 1:52:39.479 so much sense right now. It's a funny point, man, 1:52:39.520 --> 1:52:41.400 the more you think about it. With the plant toxins, 1:52:42.040 --> 1:52:46.200 can you touch on safety? I read that word or 1:52:46.320 --> 1:52:49.880 sat satiety. I think there's two ways to pronounce it. 1:52:49.960 --> 1:52:53.040 Making that word was in the book a lot talking 1:52:53.040 --> 1:52:56.720 about how our current diet basically you just never get full. 1:52:57.160 --> 1:52:59.920 Oh yeah, yeah, this is super interesting in it all 1:53:01.000 --> 1:53:09.280 I say satiety like like comes from insatiable. So there 1:53:09.320 --> 1:53:11.320 are a couple of reasons that our current diet is 1:53:11.360 --> 1:53:14.520 not satiating. But I've had a lot of friends anecdotally 1:53:14.600 --> 1:53:16.400 tell me they try plant based diets and they're like, 1:53:16.400 --> 1:53:19.040 I'm always freaking hungry, and then they try an animal 1:53:19.080 --> 1:53:20.640 base and they're like, Wow, I felt full for the 1:53:20.720 --> 1:53:22.880 first time in so long, And I'm thinking, yeah, right. 1:53:23.240 --> 1:53:26.240 So society is complex, it's complex physiology and the human brain. 1:53:26.400 --> 1:53:28.280 But you know, just going back to what we were 1:53:28.280 --> 1:53:31.200 talking about with linteleic acid, there's really good evidence that 1:53:31.240 --> 1:53:34.640 linneleic acid makes us hungry. There's molecular mechanisms in the 1:53:34.680 --> 1:53:38.120 brain by which linoleic acid triggers hunger and saturated fat, 1:53:38.160 --> 1:53:41.519 which is found in animals, triggers satiety. And we don't 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:43.720 have to get into why that works, but in the hypothalamus, 1:53:43.760 --> 1:53:45.479 which is part of the satiety center in the brain, 1:53:46.040 --> 1:53:49.519 these two fatty acids affect our selves and our mitochondria differently. 1:53:49.840 --> 1:53:51.720 So that's the first thing is that vegetable oils make 1:53:51.800 --> 1:53:55.479 you hungry. They're sabotaging your sotiety. We talked a little 1:53:55.479 --> 1:53:58.439 bit about sugar. Processed foods absolutely make you hungry, and 1:53:58.520 --> 1:54:02.200 I think there's nutrient density the sensing in the human body. 1:54:02.560 --> 1:54:04.720 If you are not getting the nutrients found in meat 1:54:04.760 --> 1:54:07.000 and liver, all those magical nutrients quote unquote that I 1:54:07.000 --> 1:54:10.800 talked about earlier Colleene Carnatiene Carnescene. You are not going 1:54:10.880 --> 1:54:13.400 to be satiated because your body is like I am 1:54:13.479 --> 1:54:16.519 deficient in something and it knows it. You can't tell. 1:54:16.600 --> 1:54:18.479 You don't have like your computer chip, like a diagnostic 1:54:18.520 --> 1:54:20.320 in your car, Like I'm deficient to ride with lave 1:54:20.360 --> 1:54:23.360 and I should go eat some liver. But you get 1:54:23.439 --> 1:54:25.759 cravings and they go out of whack when you're pregnant, 1:54:25.760 --> 1:54:28.000 and it big winds up being the thing everybody talks 1:54:28.000 --> 1:54:30.479 about exactly, and you only can crave things you've had. 1:54:30.600 --> 1:54:32.240 So people say, well, why don't I crave liver? What 1:54:32.240 --> 1:54:34.560 when was the last time you eat liver? Right? Like 1:54:35.360 --> 1:54:38.480 you all you know is that you crave something. And 1:54:38.880 --> 1:54:42.160 that's so society is huge, And I think that I've 1:54:42.240 --> 1:54:45.360 never liked weight loss strategies that put people in a 1:54:45.520 --> 1:54:48.680 mental prison. You're never going to be able to calorie 1:54:48.720 --> 1:54:52.200 restrict for your whole life. Calorie restricting and starving yourself 1:54:52.640 --> 1:54:55.120 is a fantastic way to lose weight. It's also a 1:54:55.240 --> 1:54:58.240 fantastic way to have your life suck really bad, and like, 1:54:58.360 --> 1:55:00.280 why are you living life if it's so miser bole 1:55:00.520 --> 1:55:02.720 and your body will find a way. You will never 1:55:02.840 --> 1:55:05.240 stay in calorie prison your whole life unless you are 1:55:05.280 --> 1:55:07.280 super motivated, and what's the point of living in that way? 1:55:07.600 --> 1:55:10.480 So that's why dietary constructions like this, they're fascinating to 1:55:10.520 --> 1:55:14.840 me that actually emphasize nutrient density and ancestrally consistent diet 1:55:15.640 --> 1:55:18.640 and they create sutiety without making us feel like we 1:55:18.760 --> 1:55:21.000 are depriving ourselves. And you don't even have to have 1:55:21.800 --> 1:55:25.240 caloric deficit. So it's a huge topic and I think 1:55:25.280 --> 1:55:27.640 that you can starve yourself, but it's not going to 1:55:27.720 --> 1:55:30.320 work long term. I so appreciate that, just because I 1:55:30.400 --> 1:55:34.920 think the mindset of focusing on the outward appearance of 1:55:35.480 --> 1:55:40.200 someone's body and being calorie restricted, it's just led to 1:55:40.480 --> 1:55:44.640 so much, um, I don't know, so much pain, to 1:55:44.760 --> 1:55:47.240 say the least, for both men and women. But traditionally 1:55:47.320 --> 1:55:48.800 we think about women. You know, I have a younger 1:55:48.880 --> 1:55:51.160 sister and when she was growing up, you know, I 1:55:51.680 --> 1:55:53.440 I see it because I have a younger sister, Like, 1:55:53.480 --> 1:55:56.560 there's so much body image. I know men experience it too, 1:55:56.640 --> 1:56:01.600 but for women it's especially destructive. You know, it's really hard, 1:56:01.680 --> 1:56:03.720 and it's the same kind of idea. And in a 1:56:03.720 --> 1:56:04.960 while we're on the topic. You know, a lot of 1:56:05.040 --> 1:56:08.040 women don't think about red meat and organs as food 1:56:08.120 --> 1:56:10.520 because they're afraid of making them fat. But I really 1:56:10.600 --> 1:56:13.360 believe strongly that this is a game changer for women 1:56:13.400 --> 1:56:15.080 as well, because it's like, this is the food your 1:56:15.120 --> 1:56:16.960 body is craving. And I talk about this in a 1:56:17.000 --> 1:56:19.560 study in the book. We can look at things like 1:56:19.640 --> 1:56:22.120 evoked response potentials in the brain. This is one of 1:56:22.160 --> 1:56:24.400 the coolest parts of the book. And you can show 1:56:25.880 --> 1:56:29.080 vegetarians and vegans and omnivores pictures of meat, and you 1:56:29.160 --> 1:56:31.480 can look at with an e G and electro and cephalogram, 1:56:31.600 --> 1:56:33.320 we can look at we can look at the way 1:56:33.360 --> 1:56:35.640 different parts of the brain fire, and you can look 1:56:35.640 --> 1:56:37.800 at deeper regions of the brain like the brain stem 1:56:38.160 --> 1:56:41.560 kind of these lizard brain parts or you know, dyean 1:56:41.600 --> 1:56:44.480 cephalon parts like more ancestral or more i should say, 1:56:44.520 --> 1:56:46.920 more ancient parts of the brain. And you can look 1:56:46.960 --> 1:56:49.120 at the neo cortex, like the more recent parts of 1:56:49.160 --> 1:56:51.280 the brain. And when you show a vegetarian or a 1:56:51.360 --> 1:56:53.240 vegan a picture of meat, they get this sort of 1:56:54.240 --> 1:56:59.120 conscious aversion. But the subconscious part of their brain still goes, 1:57:00.000 --> 1:57:04.880 he's giving me. That's so you're saying, like evolutionary, evolutionarily, 1:57:05.080 --> 1:57:10.040 over time we have we are encoded to recognize something 1:57:10.240 --> 1:57:14.760 as nutrient giving and good for our body. But other 1:57:14.880 --> 1:57:17.440 parts of the brain which are like we've programmed during 1:57:17.520 --> 1:57:20.720 this lifetime based upon messaging and learning to be like, no, 1:57:21.080 --> 1:57:24.800 that's bad. But so we're just not in That's why 1:57:24.880 --> 1:57:29.080 they make plant food look like sausage and bacon. Yeah, 1:57:29.320 --> 1:57:34.200 you don't, you know, makes you think of is that? Yeah? Yeah? 1:57:34.480 --> 1:57:37.120 Why you take ship and try to get it to 1:57:37.160 --> 1:57:39.520 look like that? Like why why is it not its 1:57:39.560 --> 1:57:44.080 own thing? Like why why did veggie burgers or what 1:57:44.160 --> 1:57:46.680 they call him soybers? Why did they steal the burgers groove? 1:57:47.960 --> 1:57:49.720 But there's a there's an our part of this too. 1:57:49.760 --> 1:57:52.960 It was like they find that, um, I don't know 1:57:52.960 --> 1:57:55.560 how they measure, but there's a similar thing. Humans like 1:57:55.840 --> 1:58:02.800 overlooks and humans like shorelines, and it'd be like the rich, 1:58:03.080 --> 1:58:04.920 you know, like when you look at human just like 1:58:05.200 --> 1:58:09.080 the African diaspora. And when when humans started colonizing the world, 1:58:09.160 --> 1:58:12.440 it was you know, coastal routes, coastal routes and river routes, 1:58:12.560 --> 1:58:15.000 and so it seems that there's this sort of association 1:58:15.120 --> 1:58:19.600 with shorelines, land meats, water like the beach right triggers 1:58:19.640 --> 1:58:21.760 a thing where you're like, that's a good spot. And 1:58:21.840 --> 1:58:25.360 then also this idea that humans like and overlook. They 1:58:25.480 --> 1:58:28.560 like to be like, ha, I can see everything around me, 1:58:28.800 --> 1:58:32.000 and like it pleases some deep down thing in you 1:58:32.480 --> 1:58:36.360 to just see what's up. Not gonna be surprised. I 1:58:36.440 --> 1:58:38.440 know what's going on down there. People going in the 1:58:38.480 --> 1:58:41.800 restaurant and wanting the corner seat, and too, you know, 1:58:41.840 --> 1:58:44.160 their back is to both walls, so they can see 1:58:44.240 --> 1:58:47.360 periphectly everything around them. They don't have that feeling's gonna 1:58:47.400 --> 1:58:51.160 head behind me. You know. Yeah's some of my wife's say, 1:58:51.160 --> 1:58:54.720 because someone in Baja told me that. And you know 1:58:54.840 --> 1:58:56.800 it's like the old thing that you when you open 1:58:56.880 --> 1:59:00.240 a door and little woman going first, and someone house 1:59:00.280 --> 1:59:02.960 tell me that, Uh, you know, he's saying that's cultural. 1:59:03.040 --> 1:59:06.280 I mean, that's like it's cultural, but it's regional. And 1:59:06.360 --> 1:59:09.680 he was saying here it would be that you'd go 1:59:09.800 --> 1:59:13.280 in first to make sure everything's cool. You don't open 1:59:13.320 --> 1:59:14.920 the door and be like you going first. I'm not 1:59:15.000 --> 1:59:17.240 going in there. It's like you go in and it 1:59:17.320 --> 1:59:20.520 looks good. Things are cool. Everybody, your family comes in there, 1:59:20.560 --> 1:59:23.520 there's stand there and send them all in and then 1:59:23.640 --> 1:59:27.560 be like, good luck, I'll be through last the first. 1:59:28.240 --> 1:59:30.840 Do you guys know what percentage of vegetarians and vegans 1:59:30.880 --> 1:59:35.920 eat meat when they get drunk. It's astronomical. I think 1:59:35.960 --> 1:59:41.080 it's thirty to forty plus percent. I mean, like cortex, 1:59:42.680 --> 1:59:44.720 it starts getting you down to your reptilian brain. And 1:59:44.880 --> 1:59:48.160 that's not an uncontrovertible argument. That means for humans, you know, 1:59:48.600 --> 1:59:50.840 and you know, maybe it's even more, but it's a 1:59:50.920 --> 1:59:53.320 massive amount. You asked me earlier about truth. Well there's 1:59:53.360 --> 1:59:57.880 your truth, man. When you say that both like corner 1:59:57.960 --> 2:00:01.520 board dieters and vegans, uh, when they get drunk, they 2:00:01.520 --> 2:00:07.240 all eat pizza and they want their dough. It's possible. 2:00:07.360 --> 2:00:09.920 It's possible, And you know, I think you could you 2:00:10.000 --> 2:00:13.320 could say that, um, but I wonder I don't think 2:00:13.360 --> 2:00:15.880 you could draw the inference then that that's necessarily good 2:00:15.920 --> 2:00:18.200 for humans, just that that's like a uniquely addictive false 2:00:18.240 --> 2:00:20.560 food for humans, because nobody's gonna say, like, well, pizza 2:00:20.640 --> 2:00:23.240 is clearly a vitamin, like that doesn't work that way. 2:00:23.240 --> 2:00:24.840 But yeah, I think that we've figured out that's a 2:00:24.840 --> 2:00:28.080 whole separate discussion about the way that we've hijacked human satiety. 2:00:28.560 --> 2:00:30.440 Oh yeah, yeah. And then we've the fact that we've 2:00:30.520 --> 2:00:34.000 made these things super addictive, but evolutionarily, there's no such 2:00:34.040 --> 2:00:36.360 thing as pizza. There's the thing I wanted to mention earlier, 2:00:36.760 --> 2:00:40.040 um that that my wife does that our kids that 2:00:40.160 --> 2:00:44.480 I think is helpful and what I came to mind 2:00:45.080 --> 2:00:48.200 when we were talking about earlier, like that to try 2:00:48.240 --> 2:00:51.360 to get yourself into a position where you feel really good, 2:00:51.480 --> 2:00:54.560 where you have an awareness of your body, and to 2:00:54.720 --> 2:00:56.640 strip things away to a point where like, okay, like 2:00:56.720 --> 2:00:59.000 I feel optimal right now. Like let's say you go 2:00:59.160 --> 2:01:02.280 on you know, uh hunt for a week and you're 2:01:02.320 --> 2:01:05.520 not at home snacking on normal garbage, and you're really 2:01:05.640 --> 2:01:08.919 pouring it to it physically every day, your meal structure 2:01:09.040 --> 2:01:12.040 changes and at the end of your like, god, like, 2:01:12.160 --> 2:01:14.840 I never feel this good. And then you just like 2:01:14.920 --> 2:01:16.640 lazily go back into all this ship that makes you 2:01:16.680 --> 2:01:18.480 not feel good, but you hit a point where you're like, 2:01:18.760 --> 2:01:22.600 this is what I would like to feel, like wide awake, 2:01:23.160 --> 2:01:26.800 a lot of energy, sleep, very soundly at night, right, 2:01:27.160 --> 2:01:28.520 and you hit kind of like a thing that a 2:01:28.600 --> 2:01:31.320 thing to strive to and just listen to your body 2:01:31.720 --> 2:01:34.000 when when when our kids are in a situation like 2:01:34.160 --> 2:01:35.640 let they go to a birthday party and all of 2:01:35.640 --> 2:01:37.920 a sudden, whatever reason, someone's hands them like a piece 2:01:37.920 --> 2:01:41.480 of cake the size of a book. Right. Uh, She'll 2:01:41.560 --> 2:01:45.320 say she like introduced this idea, she said, like, go ahead, 2:01:45.400 --> 2:01:48.360 listen to your body, you know. And it's funny, man, 2:01:48.640 --> 2:01:52.440 when you remind him of that, they will not eat 2:01:52.480 --> 2:01:55.080 as much because just making them be like, oh that's right, 2:01:55.080 --> 2:01:56.720 and they'll be like, you know what, my body's telling me, 2:01:56.840 --> 2:02:00.760 I'm done. But they need to be invited. They need 2:02:00.840 --> 2:02:03.720 to be invited and reminded to be like ask yourself 2:02:03.760 --> 2:02:05.760 when you think you've had enough of that ship, and 2:02:05.840 --> 2:02:08.160 hopefully and they're like, oh, yeah, you know what I do. 2:02:08.360 --> 2:02:10.280 I think I have had enough of that ship, you know, 2:02:10.920 --> 2:02:14.760 and they're more likely to walk away and hopefully, you know, 2:02:14.960 --> 2:02:18.320 parents can help their kids or you know, realize after 2:02:18.360 --> 2:02:20.760 they binge on Halloween candy or the cake, when the 2:02:20.800 --> 2:02:22.760 kids are like I don't feel good, I feel anxious, 2:02:22.800 --> 2:02:24.640 or I'm just you know, like do you think this 2:02:24.760 --> 2:02:27.720 is related to the food you ate. Listen to your body. 2:02:27.880 --> 2:02:29.080 I love it. I think that's what we need to 2:02:29.120 --> 2:02:31.200 teach our kids. But you bring up this great point 2:02:31.200 --> 2:02:33.520 that we talked on her earlier. It's just how many 2:02:33.600 --> 2:02:35.640 of us have taken the time to get to the 2:02:35.640 --> 2:02:37.840 point where we know what that optimal feels like, and 2:02:37.880 --> 2:02:40.160 then you can see the deviance. It's signal versus noise. Yeah, 2:02:40.160 --> 2:02:42.440 I used to have it, uh where I tell my 2:02:42.560 --> 2:02:44.800 wife like, God, I'm like, it's just so depressed today. 2:02:44.800 --> 2:02:47.360 And she goes, let's walk back a step. Let's walk 2:02:47.400 --> 2:02:50.800 back step. Were you pretty drunk forty eight hours ago? 2:02:51.920 --> 2:02:54.000 And I was like, my god, I was I forgot 2:02:54.000 --> 2:02:57.080 about that. She goes, yeah, yeah, maybe maybe something. They're 2:02:57.280 --> 2:03:01.840 funny that we've had this conversation thirty times. YEA, totally true. 2:03:03.160 --> 2:03:08.800 All right. So Paul Saladino m D how long you've 2:03:08.800 --> 2:03:11.280 been a doctor for all a long a long time, 2:03:11.440 --> 2:03:13.680 Like you went out of college and no, I, um, 2:03:14.160 --> 2:03:16.080 I guess it depends when you described me as a doctor. 2:03:16.160 --> 2:03:20.600 But I finished residency. I've got a medical school six 2:03:20.680 --> 2:03:23.360 years ago. So yeah, I'm a little bit. I'm a 2:03:23.440 --> 2:03:26.320 little bit. Uh. Your non tread. I'm little bit. Yeah, 2:03:26.320 --> 2:03:28.240 I'm a little bit older than most docs who have 2:03:28.360 --> 2:03:30.560 been out that long because I took six years off 2:03:30.560 --> 2:03:32.880 after college and just played and explored into my own return. 2:03:32.960 --> 2:03:35.360 Yeah do you did you immediately And I wanted to 2:03:35.400 --> 2:03:37.240 ask this earlier, just never got to it, But did 2:03:37.280 --> 2:03:41.080 you immediately get into diet type stuff and or what 2:03:41.240 --> 2:03:44.640 was your original medicine that you're going to work in? Yeah? Yeah, 2:03:44.680 --> 2:03:47.800 I've always been interested in diet before. The reason I 2:03:47.880 --> 2:03:49.440 said a long time was because I before I went 2:03:49.480 --> 2:03:52.240 to medical school, I was a physician assistant and I 2:03:52.320 --> 2:03:54.720 worked in cardiology, so I wasn't a doctor technically, but 2:03:54.760 --> 2:03:56.520 I was working in medicine and you know, as a 2:03:56.600 --> 2:03:58.040 p A. And then I went back to medical school. 2:03:58.480 --> 2:04:00.400 And the whole reason I went back to medical school 2:04:00.800 --> 2:04:04.200 was because I got fascinated by these connections between diet 2:04:04.440 --> 2:04:05.720 and health. I just was like, you know, I think 2:04:05.760 --> 2:04:08.280 this is a big lever. Of course, stress and family 2:04:08.320 --> 2:04:11.080 and community and environmental talkins, but diet is the lever 2:04:11.200 --> 2:04:13.120 that I wanted to get interested in. So I always 2:04:13.240 --> 2:04:15.800 knew that in my work I was gonna be kind 2:04:15.840 --> 2:04:17.880 of drilling down these ideas. I obviously haven't been thinking 2:04:17.880 --> 2:04:20.800 about a carnivore approach for you know, since I was 2:04:20.800 --> 2:04:22.280 a p A. But that was the reason I went 2:04:22.320 --> 2:04:23.880 back to medical school was to think, like, how is 2:04:23.920 --> 2:04:27.360 this connected? The carnival Code is not your first book. 2:04:27.560 --> 2:04:29.760 It's my first book. It is your first book. So 2:04:29.960 --> 2:04:33.960 you're saying, so you're you're working on a cookbook. Okay, 2:04:34.040 --> 2:04:36.440 but that's not gonna happen yet. That's next year. Got you? 2:04:37.040 --> 2:04:41.560 So the Carnivore Code, Paul Saladino, it's out now, soon 2:04:41.720 --> 2:04:45.040 out now? And then how do people go find you online? 2:04:45.400 --> 2:04:47.440 The best place to find me is all of my 2:04:47.520 --> 2:04:50.200 stuff on my podcast is at Heart and Soil Supplements 2:04:50.240 --> 2:04:51.960 dot com. And what about when you're hanging out on 2:04:52.040 --> 2:04:54.320 so do you do stuff on social media? At carnivore 2:04:54.520 --> 2:05:01.160 M d oh, that's good, like that sel that's real 2:05:01.200 --> 2:05:04.040 good at carnivore MD. Carnivore M d dude, that's a 2:05:04.080 --> 2:05:07.600 great idea, man. Animal based medicine. You know people think 2:05:07.600 --> 2:05:10.760 about plant based. We're doing animal based medicine. That's a 2:05:10.880 --> 2:05:16.960 great handle. Thanks gratulation. Doctor was taken. So I got 2:05:17.080 --> 2:05:20.120 meat doctor. Girls are like, can I call you doctor meat? 2:05:21.680 --> 2:05:23.040 So I was like, no, I don't think that's a 2:05:23.040 --> 2:05:25.960 good one. Doctor Meat was the other choice between Dr 2:05:26.040 --> 2:05:33.240 Meat dot com. Alright, so check out the book. I 2:05:33.320 --> 2:05:36.200 mean we only just touched on like a smidge what's 2:05:36.200 --> 2:05:38.000 in the book. So check out the book The Carnivore 2:05:38.120 --> 2:05:46.000 Code Paul Saladino, Dr Paul, and it's out. Now. You 2:05:46.080 --> 2:05:48.400 look real good in your author photo. I mean that's 2:05:48.440 --> 2:05:50.040 my Do you look at him? Dad? You look like 2:05:50.120 --> 2:05:53.080 a mean lawyer. You look like a mean lawyer that's 2:05:53.080 --> 2:05:57.040 going to get you out of jail. Driving a car 2:05:57.200 --> 2:05:59.680 real fast and pull out a nine mill and oh yeah? 2:05:59.680 --> 2:06:01.360 Are you looks like a dude from the Fast and 2:06:01.480 --> 2:06:03.720 Furious out there? Man, that's a better way to I 2:06:03.760 --> 2:06:05.680 wish my editor told me that. Man, you're too serious 2:06:05.720 --> 2:06:08.080 in this photo. Oh no, you just look like, Yeah, 2:06:08.120 --> 2:06:11.040 you look like you're gonna think being an espionage thriller. 2:06:11.160 --> 2:06:12.640 Maybe I was trying to be a little James Bond. 2:06:12.680 --> 2:06:14.600 Here we're up again, some serious stuff here, you know 2:06:14.680 --> 2:06:17.400 you guys, Yeah, do not joke. We're talking about human Hell, 2:06:17.400 --> 2:06:22.960 we're talking yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm putting a suit on. Man. 2:06:23.080 --> 2:06:26.040 I smile a lot more than that picture makes me. Actually, 2:06:26.040 --> 2:06:29.720 I know that I think the putting the picture demands 2:06:29.760 --> 2:06:32.360 some respect. Man. All right, thank you very much for 2:06:32.440 --> 2:06:34.920 coming on my pleasure. It's pleasure and privilege. I'm gonna 2:06:34.920 --> 2:06:37.480 go home and just drink animal fat, not fry anything, 2:06:38.000 --> 2:06:40.040 drink it cold. Well, you could just eat your animal fat, 2:06:40.920 --> 2:06:44.920 your animal I'm gonna experiment this was this is it 2:06:44.960 --> 2:06:49.680 gonna change what's for dinner tonight? M M. I made 2:06:49.720 --> 2:06:54.960 the mistake of not uh no, no, because no, because 2:06:54.960 --> 2:06:57.320 we had fish cakes last night, and we had so 2:06:57.400 --> 2:06:59.600 many suckers that we now have a giant bowl of 2:06:59.640 --> 2:07:01.440 fish cake. So we're having exactly what we had last 2:07:01.520 --> 2:07:04.680 night tonight. I don't want to waste I'd rather be 2:07:04.880 --> 2:07:10.680 unhealthy then waste suckers. Hear that. But after the next night, 2:07:12.080 --> 2:07:18.600 I'm gonna tell everybody kids making misteake tonight. Raw you 2:07:18.640 --> 2:07:21.520 guys get a buzz buzz. Oh yeah, I'm flying high man, 2:07:22.120 --> 2:07:27.520 all hopped up on liver. I can't tell the creeper 2:07:27.600 --> 2:07:31.240 that you gave me. Yeah he threw u um, he 2:07:31.360 --> 2:07:36.240 threw some of that horse tranquilizer in the yond. All right, 2:07:36.280 --> 2:08:00.320 thanks a lot, man, Thanks Paul, Thanks guys. One