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Speaker 1: top about that. I get that right, You got it? Man? Um?

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Speaker 1: desiccated organs. The first uh sampling, it's like a tasting,

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Speaker 1: first vintage is bone marrow and liver from grass fed,

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Speaker 1: And the second vintage is beef organs, which consists of heart, liver, kidney, spleen,

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Speaker 1: be interesting free listeners here. The real problem is not

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Speaker 1: the meat. It's not the liver, it's not the hamburgers.

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Speaker 1: The real problem is the processed food. And the reason

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Speaker 1: the processed food is bad is because of process vegetable oils.

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Speaker 1: And we can get into that when the time has come.

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Speaker 1: But fast is vegged boils and little leic acid, like

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Speaker 1: this is the real thing driving problems. And if you

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Speaker 1: look at meat, it is so often eaten with vegetable oils,

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Speaker 1: and so many processed foods have these vegetable oils and

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Speaker 1: the linoleic acid, which is a complex word in there.

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Speaker 1: So that's a alto the rabbit hole we have to

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Speaker 1: go down. But the point is people eat a lot

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Speaker 1: of junk food. They had a lot of sugar, they

439
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Speaker 1: eat a lot of bread, need a lot of alcohol

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00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 1: and cigarettes with meat, and epidemiology can't differentiate. But every

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Speaker 1: time you or I or anyone, here's on the news

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Speaker 1: red meat is associated with X. That word is associated.

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Speaker 1: You will never hear on the news red meat causes

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Speaker 1: because if you actually look at the interventional studies, the

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Speaker 1: studies where they actually go to a laboratory or they

446
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Speaker 1: take people and they do they do an interventional trial.

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Speaker 1: They'll take a hundred people and they're saying, okay, this

448
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Speaker 1: study has actually been done and I referenced it in

449
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Speaker 1: the book. They said, okay, we want you to remove

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Speaker 1: we want you to remove two fifty calories from your

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Speaker 1: diet of carbohydrates, and we're gonna have you put in

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Speaker 1: eight ounces of red meat per day. And they follow

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Speaker 1: those people with the control groups. They have two groups.

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Speaker 1: One group has eight ounces of red meat half a pound,

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Speaker 1: pretty substantial amount of red meat in their diet extra

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Speaker 1: per day. The other group has diet as usual and

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Speaker 1: they follow them for eight, six, ten weeks and they

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Speaker 1: look at the end of the study, the group with

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Speaker 1: more red meat is better. They have lower inflammatory markers,

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Speaker 1: lower inflammatory market. I'm getting the buzzs. I can't tell

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Speaker 1: if it's from the liver pills or because of what

462
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Speaker 1: you're telling because you're so excited about meat. Well, many

463
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Speaker 1: things given me a buzz and you haven't even gotten

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Speaker 1: into it yet. But um, I recently switched and started cooking.

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Speaker 1: When I fry fish, I fry it and be fat,

466
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Speaker 1: don't I switched. And here's the thing. Every time I

467
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Speaker 1: fired that thing up, I feel guilty, but I also

468
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: feel like, but I just want this. I like it

469
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Speaker 1: better and it's better. But I feel like something the

470
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Speaker 1: back of my heads tell me I'm being bad, and

471
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Speaker 1: I'm always doing like what I think it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It's like, there's what I think, like as a human

473
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Speaker 1: being who studies sort of human history, world history, whatever,

474
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Speaker 1: like I do things that I think makes sense, right,

475
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Speaker 1: I can just see it, But then I'm always in

476
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Speaker 1: the back of my head is like that someone told

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Speaker 1: me that it's bad, but it goes against what my

478
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Speaker 1: general tendency would be. Like if I could take an

479
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Speaker 1: animal and it has fat on it and nothing's just

480
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Speaker 1: been out like feeding on grass, it has fat, and

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Speaker 1: I make an oil from that, It's like, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to picture that. That's worse for

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Speaker 1: me than some ship a chemist made, and it's it's

484
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Speaker 1: just hard for me to get there. But I'm like,

485
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Speaker 1: but I have to accept that it's true, because I've

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Speaker 1: been told kind of exactly. And so before nineteen eleven,

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Speaker 1: there was no such thing as vegetable oil. In fact,

488
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Speaker 1: before eighteen sixty five, So in eighteen sixty five, cotton

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Speaker 1: seed oil was made from cotton seeds. These are not food.

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Speaker 1: Nobody eats cotton seeds. In nineteen eleven, Crisco was founded

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Speaker 1: and they started making vegetable oil. And ever since, between

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Speaker 1: eighteen sixty five and nineteen eleven, human health got a

493
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Speaker 1: little bit worse. But between nineteen eleven and now we've

494
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Speaker 1: just absolutely we've tanked. If you look at the rates

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Speaker 1: of diabetes, if you look at the rates of chronic disease,

496
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Speaker 1: they are skyrocketing in the last hundred years, and they're

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Speaker 1: really going up since the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 1: And so vegetable oil was not even a thing. It

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Speaker 1: didn't even exist. Our ancestors, our parents and grandparents really

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Speaker 1: are great grandparents. And like the early eighteen hundreds, all

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Speaker 1: those people who died and they were in that cemetery

502
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Speaker 1: last night that I saw who died in eighteen eighty,

503
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Speaker 1: they were not eating vegetable oil. It didn't even exist.

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Speaker 1: They were eating tallow and lard, and the pigs that

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Speaker 1: were making that large we're not fed on corn and soy.

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Speaker 1: They were just fed on you know, things pigs are

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Speaker 1: supposed to eat, but the talents, grasshoppers and carrots, and

508
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, they were just doing things wild hogs are

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Speaker 1: supposed to eat. And those ancestral animal fats are what

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Speaker 1: are treasured in indigenous cultures. And that's what we see

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Speaker 1: over and over that there was really in the medical literature.

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Speaker 1: There was really no such thing as a heart attack

513
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Speaker 1: until the realties early nineteen ten, that type of region,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't even think about heart attacks and as

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Speaker 1: American people until the nineteen fifties when Eisenhower, I believe,

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Speaker 1: had his heart attack. So it's just been it's a

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Speaker 1: new invention. It didn't even happen when we were eating

518
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Speaker 1: animal fats. But people used to in the old days,

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Speaker 1: people like when I was even like my grandparents, you

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Speaker 1: just people used to say that he died of old age.

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Speaker 1: But I think now we just putting names to it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to sameing people died of old age. Well, people,

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Speaker 1: no one dies old agian more. Now they die from

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Speaker 1: something very specific that was like diagnosed, right, but you

525
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Speaker 1: just bucket at all as being Yeah, so I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know. If people were dying in heart attacks,

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Speaker 1: they're just dying. They get old and died and no

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Speaker 1: one knew why they died. Well, I think that what

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Speaker 1: what we knew of medicine then was different. But even

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Speaker 1: in the early nine hundreds, there was really no no

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Speaker 1: heart attack in the medical literature. People didn't like go

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Speaker 1: and say, oh my god, I have so much pain

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Speaker 1: in my chest. You know, people didn't have that. They

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Speaker 1: would die in ammonia or infections or things like that.

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Speaker 1: But heart attacks are I mean, we we could tell

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Speaker 1: when the heart arteries are blocked, or you could tell

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Speaker 1: if if somebody has like this heart attack and they

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Speaker 1: have this pain in their chest. It just wasn't even

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Speaker 1: something that we recorded until then. And even in the

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Speaker 1: early thirties it was rare. As we were getting more

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Speaker 1: and more medical knowledge and getting a sense of the

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Speaker 1: heart and how it worked, and then over time it

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Speaker 1: just got to be more and more common. And so

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Steve. Vegetable oil is completely synthetic and

545
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Speaker 1: something humans would have never eaten, and the amount of

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00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 1: this fatty acid in there, literally like acid is really

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Speaker 1: giving our bodies this evolutionarily inconsistent, ignally causing massive problems.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention that because of the molecular structure this oil,

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00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: it oxidizes, it becomes rancid very quickly, and in order

550
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: for us to eat it and not notice that and

551
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: not just spit it out because it tastes like garbage,

552
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: it has to be bleached and deodorized. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: it's made in a lab. If you look at the

554
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Speaker 1: way vegetable oil is made, there's nothing there's nothing natural.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing, you know, even that that our answers could

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Speaker 1: have ever done with that. Our answers could have never

557
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Speaker 1: ground a cotton seed or a rape seed, or you know,

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Speaker 1: a soybean into oil. They could have never done these things. Yeah,

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00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask. Yeah, olive oil is different.

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Speaker 1: So when I think about oils, I think about and

561
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Speaker 1: again I don't want to get too technical, but I

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Speaker 1: think about the linoleic acid content in that oil. Linoleic

563
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Speaker 1: acid is an omega six polyon saturated fat, and olive

564
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: oil is about ten lintilic acid and it's mostly mono

565
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Speaker 1: one saturated fat. Which is oleic acid, which is actually

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Speaker 1: a fat that our body makes, is an eighteen carbon

567
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Speaker 1: monoe saturated fat called oleic acid. We don't make linoleic

568
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Speaker 1: acid in the human body. We need a small amount,

569
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Speaker 1: but we store extra, which means when you're eating foods

570
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: that are drenched and vegetable oil, you're storing and storing

571
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: and storing it, and that leads to major problems. So

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00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: olive oil is isn't isn't much better oil to eat.

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Speaker 1: I think that I'm with Steve. I only eat tallow.

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Speaker 1: I want to eat animal fats because that's going to

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00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: have more of the nutrients. But olive oil is probably

576
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: even better than vegetable oil. But if you're gonna cook

577
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Speaker 1: in an oil, you gotta be a little careful. You

578
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: don't want to eat it too much. But this is

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00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: the point that a lot of the foods that were

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00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: told are healthy for us are completely contrived. I mean,

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Speaker 1: kale has the best publicist in the whole world. When

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00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: did we start thinking that broccoli and kale were healthy?

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Speaker 1: So I just want to go back and complete. I

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00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: want to go back and completely laughing as we got

585
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Speaker 1: like I got like a kale pass you wouldn't begin

586
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: to comprehend in my garden and um, and we were

587
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: talking about how kale like growing up whatever, you didn't

588
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: pay attention to it. Well, holy ship, people are high

589
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: on kale. People like kale. It's kind of good publicist, man.

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00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: But it doesn't love you back. And we can talk

591
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: about why. But you were saying something earlier about broccoli,

592
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: and that narrative is what's been told to all of us.

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00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: And so there's both the unhealthy user bias, which is

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Speaker 1: all the people who are eating red meat and all

595
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: this other bad stuff and all the people who are

596
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Speaker 1: eating vegetables are doing all the healthy stuff. And so

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00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: you see it over and over in Western cultures. But

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00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: if you if you look at epidemiology done in Asia,

599
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: and there's two studies in the book I mentioned with

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00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: over probably close to three thousand people between both studies.

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Speaker 1: If you look in Asia, the men who eat the

602
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: most red meat have the lowest rates of heart disease

603
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: and the women who eat the most red meat have

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Speaker 1: the lowest rates of cancer. Is red meat has read

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00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: meat good for Asians is good, you know, and and

606
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: bad for Westerners. No, the narrative is completely different. The

607
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: narrative because in Asia, red meat is associated with affluence.

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Speaker 1: Was I was thinking this might be That's where it

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00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: might red meat is affluence, so he eats red meat.

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Speaker 1: The people that are affluent, the people that are gonna

611
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: actually think about health behaviors, the people that have a

612
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: higher socio economic status, which allows more care to doctors,

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00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: which is going to give better health outcomes. So that's

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00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: the huge thing that we're seeing with epidemiology. It's telling

615
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: us about a cultural narrative. We can generate a hypothesis

616
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: and we have to test it, and those tests have

617
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: been done, but they don't get on the news. And

618
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: the tests clearly show red meat and organs are not

619
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 1: bad for humans, and why would they be. We've been

620
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: eating them for millions of years. Can you touch on

621
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Speaker 1: something real quick? I mean you made the point great

622
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: by wat double background on it where you're talking about

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00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: the correlation causation thing. Um, I read a great explanation

624
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: this once for some group was putting out how pet

625
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: owners live longer, insinuating that, right, go get a pet

626
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: and you'll live longer. Remember reading like a sort of

627
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: deconstruction of what that meant about. Well, let's take a

628
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: look at pet owners in America versus non pet owners

629
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: in America. There are a lot of things that are

630
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: sort of in the package of pet owners that they

631
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: tend to have a home and some amount of expendable

632
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: income and on and on and on and so yes,

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Speaker 1: I would believe that that's true. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: owning the pet that is making you live longer. Like,

635
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Speaker 1: how do you how do you describe that? Like that

636
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: problem that people run into. There's an amazing website called

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Speaker 1: Spurious Correlations dot com that's this very well, that's what

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get at. Spurious correlations. Spurious correlations, And

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Speaker 1: I have a graphic, a couple of graphics of this

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Speaker 1: in the book. And you can see this correlation between

641
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Speaker 1: the divorce rate and Maine and the per capita margarine consumption,

642
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Speaker 1: and they're very highly correlated. They're extremely highly correlated. Absolutely,

643
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: it's in the book. Yeah. The idea with maine and

644
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: and the margarine is they're highly correlated. But are we

645
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Speaker 1: thinking that if people eat less margine, they're gonna get

646
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Speaker 1: divorced less? No, it makes no sense. It's just there

647
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: are things that happen in the world that are correlated

648
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: that have no actual cause of relationship. I mean, the

649
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Speaker 1: most hilarious one that's always quoted is the number of

650
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Speaker 1: movies Nicholas Cage appears in is highly correlated with, Like

651
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Speaker 1: I think it's something morbid like death, hangings by suicide

652
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: or something like that. And so you can see it.

653
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,719
Speaker 1: There's these charts are in that website, so you can

654
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: and people would say, okay, nicknas Cage movies are causing people.

655
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 1: So a lot of people, a lot of people kill themselves. Right,

656
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: it's a highly correlated fact, but it doesn't mean that

657
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: they cause the same thing. You have to really break

658
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: it down. You generate a hypothesis and then you test it.

659
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: And when you really get to the nitty gritty and

660
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: you do the test, red meat is not harmful to humans.

661
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: But we never hear about that, And why would it be?

662
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Speaker 1: Why would a food And this is the kind of

663
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: this is the way that I think about this, and

664
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Speaker 1: I think you guys get this because you think about

665
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: it the same way. Why would something that has made

666
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: up the majority of the human diet that is crucial,

667
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: that caused all these unique nutrients that we were talking

668
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Speaker 1: about about the beginning of the show. I mean like,

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Speaker 1: you can't get beat twelve without eating meat. You can't

670
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: get colline and any significant amount without eating meat. You

671
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: can't be a an optimally functioning human without eating meat.

672
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: Why would it be bad for us? There's an amazing

673
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Speaker 1: set of studies where they gave vegetarians creatine. So creatine

674
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: is this muscle. It's a muscle derived molecule. It's a

675
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: molecule we find in the muscle in the brain that

676
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: holds onto a phosphate groups so it can donate. It's

677
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: a t P which is the energy currency of the body.

678
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Speaker 1: So we needed to think and run neurons and flex

679
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: muscles and things like this. When they give extra creatine

680
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 1: to vegetarians, they get smarter, They do better on memory

681
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: and recall tasks and court card sorting tasks. They get

682
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: smarter because they're creating deficient in their vegan and vegetarian diet.

683
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: Why would a food that provides us with all of

684
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Speaker 1: these unique nutrients be bad for us. This makes no sense,

685
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Speaker 1: and it begins to kind of crystallize when you think

686
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Speaker 1: about epidemiology. That's why we've been so misled, you know,

687
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Speaker 1: I think part of where it comes from you'll you'll

688
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: know is better than I do. But unexplained with using

689
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Speaker 1: a different example. Um, there's a group called the Wildlife

690
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Speaker 1: Conservation Society, okay, and they've always been opposed to UM,

691
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Speaker 1: wildlife trafficking Okay, So particularly trafficking and endangered species have

692
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Speaker 1: always resisted on a conservation standpoint. They've opposed you know,

693
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Speaker 1: markets that sell like illicit wildlife materials, okay, tiger hides,

694
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Speaker 1: you know whatever, panda bear clause. What have you um?

695
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Speaker 1: When COVID hit, they took a new tact where they're like,

696
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Speaker 1: see wildlife, we told you wildlife markets are bad. It

697
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: gave us COVID, but it was like, I know that

698
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Speaker 1: you believe wildlife markets are bad, but you've always said

699
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Speaker 1: wildlife markets are bad because it encourages illicit trade and

700
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Speaker 1: endangered species. You could point out to me that here's

701
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Speaker 1: another reason, but you can't have it be that the

702
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: whole reason switched and now we should hate wildlife markets

703
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: because what you really want is you want wildlife markets

704
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Speaker 1: to go away because you're trying to protect endangered species.

705
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: You're now being opportunistic by attaching your argument to COVID transmission.

706
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Speaker 1: And I think that a big Like much of the

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Speaker 1: anti I think much of the anti meat thing is

708
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: they're saying, I don't want people to be mean to animals.

709
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't want that would be animal exploitation. Um, that's

710
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: only gonna fly with so many people. My message will

711
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: resonate with far more people if I could make a

712
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: health thing. And I think that's like a huge part

713
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Speaker 1: of this. It's a it's a very big part of it.

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Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of people in the

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Speaker 1: plant based space, I believe are well intentioned. I just

716
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: think that they're not thinking about the studies properly, and

717
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: if you ask them, a lot of them do believe

718
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Speaker 1: morally that the consumption of animals is not a good thing.

719
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Speaker 1: And those are sticky arguments to get into with people.

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Speaker 1: I think that I try because I yeah, because I've hunted.

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Speaker 1: And I'll just state at a high level that if

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Speaker 1: you look at the regenerative agriculture space, which is grass feeding,

723
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: grass finishing of cows, and regenerative you know, rotational grazing,

724
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Speaker 1: that's essentially the way that bison and other ruminants have

725
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: always lived on the plains, and that that is carbon negative,

726
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: meaning it's sequesters more carbon into the soil than those

727
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: animals produce, and that's been the main that's been one

728
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: argument is sort of the the environmental argument. So to

729
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: say that owls are killing the planet is completely false

730
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: because they're not. It's just how they manufacture cow me

731
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: these days. In some sense, yes, but it's very it's

732
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: a deep rabbit hole because that also is very misleading

733
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Speaker 1: as well. And there's been conflation of data from the

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Speaker 1: f A O versus the e p A, And in

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Speaker 1: my book, I have a graphic of e p A

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Speaker 1: data showing that if you look at tail pipes and

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Speaker 1: tailpipe quote unquote, meaning if you look at the amount

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Speaker 1: of methane emissions in carbon dioxide equivalence, those are two

739
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: different molecules that if you look at the amount of

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Speaker 1: methane and carbon dioxide equivalence that comes out of a

741
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: cow versus what comes out of a tail pipe in

742
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: the United States, there's of a car. Those are essentially

743
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: tailpipe to tailpipe. There is no comparison, no comparison cars

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00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: and trucks and transportation is of the U S greenhouse

745
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: gas emissions. In two thousand sixteen, when this ep A

746
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Speaker 1: data came out and ruminants are one point nine percent,

747
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: and that includes even the k fos, the clustered animal

748
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,479
Speaker 1: feeding operations. But I agree with you, you're talking about

749
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Speaker 1: one one point nine percent. Now, this is u S

750
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Speaker 1: data from the e p A and its tailpipe tailpipe.

751
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: What's so misleading is people will show data and plant

752
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: based circles with from the f a O. And the

753
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: f a O did a survey and they looked at

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Speaker 1: you worldwide data and they took life cycle analysis of

755
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Speaker 1: a cow and compared it to tailpipe emissions of a car.

756
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: Lifecycle analysis means how many carbon dioxide equivalents do we

757
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: do we use up or do we put in the

758
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: atmosphere in the whole life cycle of the cow. Well,

759
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: if we have to put them on a truck and

760
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: move them somewhere, what about the amount of carbon it

761
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: takes to run the factory that has to slaughter them.

762
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: What about the carbon it takes to run the store

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Speaker 1: that sells it to you. You know, that's the life

764
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: cycle of a cow in terms of carbon dioxide equivalents,

765
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Speaker 1: and they're comparing that to what comes out of the

766
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Speaker 1: tailpipe of a car. No one's ever done a life

767
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: cycle analysis. Oh well, well, they've they've never they've done that,

768
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: but they've never done lifecycle analysis of what comes out

769
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: of the end of your car. They've never done lifecycle

770
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: analysis of petroleum and transportation. So nobody knows. And this

771
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: is what's so crazy. And I really think that the

772
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: transportation industries are protecting themselves because they are hugely contributing

773
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Speaker 1: to this in a big way. You know, if you've

774
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: how much carbon dioxide equivalent or how much I mean,

775
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: they're sitting there going it's not us, it's the cows,

776
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. And nobody's ever looked at the life cycle

777
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: of a plane or a train or a car drag

778
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: and all that metal out of the ground making roads.

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00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: You know how much it costs to maintain the car,

780
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: how much it cost to do the part. It's how

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00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: much it costs over the life cycle of the exactly right.

782
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: So all we come that nobody's done that. All we

783
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: can look at is tailpipe to tailpipe. And any PhD

784
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: students sitting out there looking for a dissertation, you're not

785
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: gonna get funding. Don't ask the auto industruper funding. Nobody's

786
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: gonna fund that, you know, because they don't want you

787
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: to know, so I'd be curious to hear from you

788
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: guys about your experiences with hunting. But I've haunted a

789
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: small amount, but I've found it very spiritual, and I

790
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: don't mean that to sound flipping. So I've haunted deer

791
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: three seasons now with my bow, and I've gotten a

792
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: deer twice, and both times that I've killed a deer

793
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: with my bow, it's been one of the most memorable

794
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: experiences my life. And the first thing I think of is,

795
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: holy sh it, I better live a good life because

796
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: this is a responsibility. This dear gave itself to me.

797
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: This is an incredibly, incredibly privileged position that I am

798
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: in to eat the most hutritious food on the planet.

799
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: And this is a this is a requirement. This is

800
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: an ask from however you think about the universe and

801
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: God and the spirituality in our place and all of it.

802
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: This is this is sort of life asking me to

803
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: be a good person. What I've realized from the work

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00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: I read this one the Tom Brown's book. You read

805
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: The Tracker Tom Brown, You read that, yeah, grandfather, and

806
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: point in that book says, in order for something to live,

807
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: something else must die. And it's so true. You know

808
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: that the lion on the planes doesn't feel bad about

809
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: killing the antelope. It's what it must do to live.

810
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: And it's part of the cycle of life. We're all

811
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: gonna die. I'm gonna be food for worms one day.

812
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: And if I'm out hiking it's on bobcat or cougar

813
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: decides to try and take me, I'm gonna fight. But

814
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'm part of the circle of life too,

815
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: and I'm going to accept that. And so it's the

816
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: it's the human burden. The human burden is um is

817
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: that like no other species has any remorse, any even

818
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: any even compassion for suffering. It's just amazingly and would

819
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: tell you otherwise to watch predators kill ship man, dude,

820
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: it just they just don't. I'm not criticizing them. I mean,

821
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: God bless him, but um, it's not that they're not

822
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: like I'm going to go in there and make a good,

823
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: clean kill. You know, it's just not on their mind, man.

824
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: And it's an interesting thing to think about, but that's

825
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: the way I imagine it. And so when people, I think,

826
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Speaker 1: if someone wants to want chooses not to the animals

827
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Speaker 1: because they don't want to cause suffering. I think that's

828
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: your choice. You know, that's your moral choice, and you

829
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: have to be careful about how it's going to affect

830
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: your own health. And will you come hunting with me

831
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: or somebody who has more experienced with me and see

832
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: what it's about and see what the responsibility is like

833
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: and realize that this is how we do what we

834
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: do on this earth. I mean, we kind of talked

835
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: about this at the beginning of the podcast. I what's

836
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: what I am so passionate about is helping as many

837
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: people as possible live well, live as fully as possible

838
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: by getting getting the nutrients into them that are lost,

839
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: these nose to tail nutrients with hard and soil, and

840
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: this eating animals knows to tail, understanding that animal foods

841
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: have been incorrectly vilified. In order for me to do

842
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: my work in this short life as well as possible,

843
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: I need to be nourished. I have to have nutrients.

844
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: So in order for me to carry out the mission

845
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: that I think is most important, like my responsibility is

846
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: to nourish this body. And I don't drink alcohol for

847
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: a lot of the same reasons. I just I want

848
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: to be a healthy individual. I can do something good. Okay, Yeah,

849
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: but I think that that's what we do, and we

850
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: need to nourish ourselves to do the work that we're

851
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: gonna do, and the nourishment has to come from animals.

852
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: And I don't think that we should feel bad about that.

853
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: That's an interesting point you bring up. And I guess

854
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: I had felt that a little bit but hadn't articulated it.

855
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: And we had a um the founder of a Black

856
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: Rifle coffee company was on the show and it was when, um,

857
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: it was early in the pandemic, and he said something

858
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: interesting to me where he was talking about, um, everybody

859
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: was stressed out right, like everybody's stressed out, and we're

860
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: kind of like everybody's like really analyzing their obligations and

861
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: and you know, you're like sort of triaging all the

862
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: things in your life. Because it was a few months ago.

863
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: Seems like a million years ago now, but like a

864
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: few months ago, everybody was kind of like, holy shit.

865
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: And he had made this point of like did he

866
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: he views his obligations and these concentric circles to build

867
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: out from him so and and he has this this

868
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: this view of it that I thought sounded selfish, but

869
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: once he explained it. It wasn't. He's, like I said,

870
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: at the center of the concentric circle, wrapped around that

871
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: is my family, you know. And he said, for me,

872
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: wrapped around that is my company, the people that rely

873
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: on this company to living. He and he went on

874
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: to say that like that's where I take care. I

875
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: have to take care of the center, because if I

876
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: don't take care of the center r then the concentric

877
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: circles out from that aren't in a position to be

878
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: properly serviced. And it was like interesting to hear someone

879
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: put it, because, um, the obligation you have to be

880
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: like with it, to be present, to be healthy, to

881
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: be like mentally clean, to not be hungover every morning. Right,

882
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: It's like it's not just you like looking out for yourself.

883
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: You can imagine it as a way that you're protecting

884
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: those things that are wrapped around you, because there has

885
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: to be that like strong core and center. If you

886
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: don't protect yourself, who does that fall to? Yeah, listens

887
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: and then and then exactly no one's gonna do it.

888
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: And I mean, look, we've all got this life to

889
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: do good work. I mean art. We're all here to

890
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: do art. We're all here to make our own art,

891
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: and that for me as a physician, I've realized that

892
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: in order to make art, you have to be healthy.

893
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: And I know you guys, we can talk about how

894
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: to define healthy, but nutrition and nutritional density and nutrients,

895
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: an absence of inflammation and autoimmunity that allows people to

896
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: make their art. There's so much beautiful art, and whether

897
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: it's painted art or singing art or this type of

898
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: spoken art or writing art like this allows us to

899
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: do our work. And that's what makes life meaningful. Is

900
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: to create something beautiful, You've got to be healthy to

901
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: do it. And that's why I want to do what

902
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: I do, is to help people make more beautiful art,

903
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: because God knows we need more beautiful art in this world.

904
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: And that sounds who but you get it. It's exactly

905
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: the same thing that we have to take care of ourselves.

906
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: And for me, when I was hunting, I'll just wrap

907
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: this thought up and then I'll tell you what I eat.

908
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: Like I realized, Okay, this is the most nutritous food

909
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: on the planet. Those those two white tail that I've

910
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: eaten have been some of the most nourishing food. But

911
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: I also remembered every single bite, like Okay, I took

912
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: this life. This is my responsibility to do well and

913
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: also to be a kind human. And so it's this

914
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: amazing kind of quote sacrament. It's just remind me to

915
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: be a good human. And I think that's one of

916
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: the tragic things about getting your food from a grocery

917
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: store all the time. And you guys probably get this.

918
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that if more people could hunt,

919
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: we would be a different society. And that's the way

920
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: it used to be, you know. I mean, think about

921
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: how many generations ago. It wasn't that long ago when

922
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the food we got was from hunting.

923
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: And if people just look below the surface, I'm sure

924
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: that would have reminded them this is I should be

925
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: gracious for this. This is bounty, this is nutritious food.

926
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna waste it. I'm gonna eat all the organs,

927
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: get all my nutrition, and it's gonna nourish me to

928
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: do whatever I find meaningful in this life. And that's

929
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: that's my take as a doctor. So it's cool stuff.

930
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: I think there is a lot of value in the

931
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: the mental aspect of it. I mean, you know, it's

932
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: not all chemistry, too, because when we're eating fish and

933
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: game that we caught ourselves or hunted ourselves, or even

934
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: eating things that we grew ourselves. I just like I

935
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: become aware of it. And otherwise I wouldn't pay any

936
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: attention to it. I would just be like whatever, you know,

937
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be interesting to me. But also it becomes

938
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: intensely interesting to me, and there's probably and I like,

939
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: and I pay more attention to it and focus on

940
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: it more and more concerned about the quality because it, like,

941
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: it becomes a thing of spiritual mental interest to me,

942
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: and it heightens it's it heightens my awareness and involvement

943
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: with it, whereas otherwise it would be just like another blase,

944
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: boring thing that I wasn't even considerate of, you know.

945
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: And I think the humans need wild places just like

946
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: they need nutrients. Every time you take a bite of

947
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: food that you've grown or gathered or hunted, there's a

948
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: memory of being in a wild place or being in

949
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: some outdoors somehow, and that that's nourishing for us too.

950
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: You think, Oh, man, I think about I think about

951
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: the camping trip and the hunting trip I went on

952
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: in January and Junction, Texas, where I where I got that, dear,

953
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, with my bow, And then I think about

954
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: the one in Flagstaff, Arizona a few years ago where

955
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: I got my bow, and I know exactly where it happened,

956
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: and I know that space, and in order to get

957
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: those animals with a bow, I had to know that

958
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: space well. I had to become part of that space,

959
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: and I had to think where am I in relation

960
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: to these animals? How do I smell? What time of

961
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: day is it? And so you get this wilderness experience,

962
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: and that's also valuable for humans. The whole thing kind

963
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: of wraps into each other and gives you this such

964
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: a powerful experience that I think for me has always

965
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: spoken to the ethical consideration, like, yes, we don't want

966
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: anything to suffer, and this is such a rich experience,

967
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: and I would suggest an indispensable, invaluable part of being

968
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: a human to be interacting with the animals that way,

969
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: in a respectful way. You really become part of the

970
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: whole community, don't you. You do You're part of an ecosystem,

971
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, you become part of an outdoor ecosystem and

972
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: outdoor community. And I think that, I mean, going to

973
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: grocery stores is kind of tragic. We all have to

974
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: do it today, But how cool would it be to

975
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: get back into that more? And that's what you guys do,

976
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: and that's why it's so cool, And I want to

977
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: get back to doing more of that. And I think

978
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: that it starts with nutrition and then you start getting

979
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: back into those wild places. And I'm hoping to get

980
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: to a point in my life real soon where I

981
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: can do a lot more that now. In the book

982
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: and the Carnivore Code, I outline five tiers of a

983
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: carnivore diet. And before I started this, I'll just tell

984
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: people who are listening my intention in talking about carnivore

985
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: diets and animal foods is not to convince everybody in

986
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: the world to stop eating plants. It's really to construct

987
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: a diet hierarchy in terms of nutritional value and um

988
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: like the way that these foods make us who we

989
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: are or allow us to become as optimal as we

990
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: can be as humans from like a medical, biochemical, nutritional perspective.

991
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: And so my my thesis with a carnivore diet or

992
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: an animal based diet which a little is a little

993
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: more of an inclusive idea, is that kind of like

994
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: we've been talking about animal foods eaten nose to tail,

995
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: organs and meat have been at the center of our

996
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: ancestors existence forever since we were hominids, and that they

997
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: are the most valuable foods on the planet. And yet again,

998
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: as we've talked about, they've been vilified for the last

999
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: seventy years. They should not be vilified. So I think

1000
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: that the first step to doing our art to being

1001
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: as optimal as possible is remembering that animal foods eating

1002
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: nose to tail are the most nutritionally dense and valuable

1003
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: foods on the planet. Like I said earlier, they have

1004
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: nutrients that are not found anywhere else that are very

1005
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: difficult to get. Their magical foods quote unquote, they're just

1006
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: the most nutritional foods in the planet. These are the

1007
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: most important food strusted to get. We should not believe

1008
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: that they are harmful for us. And then beyond that,

1009
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: in the book, I've created a broad strokes perspective on

1010
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: what I believe are more and less toxic plants. So

1011
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: I don't want people to think that they can't eat

1012
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: any plants, or they shouldn't eat any plants. Some people

1013
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: do really well with no plants in their diet. I

1014
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: haven't eaten significant amounts of plant foods and over two years,

1015
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: and I feel pretty darn good. And I'm not combusting

1016
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: with oxidative stress or you know, backed up into ridiculous

1017
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: amounts of constipation. I poop every day. Guys, I know

1018
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: you're all wondering about this with no fiber in my diet. Actually,

1019
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: that's good to hear. So I you know, there's this

1020
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: there's this spectrum of plant toxicity, which plants are more

1021
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: and less toxic. And if people want to include plants

1022
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: in their diet, which are the least toxic parts of

1023
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: plants and the least toxic plants, Yeah, you better explain

1024
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: plant toxicity. Yeah, I mean it's the thing that plants.

1025
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: I mean, as much as you can say a plant

1026
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: intentionally does something, it's like a part of a plant strategy.

1027
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: It is absolutely a part of a plant strategy. And

1028
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: it's it makes sense evolution narily. When you go hunting animals,

1029
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna run away from you. They're pretty crafty. They

1030
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: can bite you or kick you, or go are you,

1031
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: or they can just run away. They're flying away, or

1032
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: they're fast, or they're crafty. They they fear better than

1033
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: us or smell better than us. But plants are rooted

1034
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: in the ground. This is not surprising to anyone. But

1035
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: there's been a coevolution between animals and plants for over

1036
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: four and fifty million years, and animals and plants have

1037
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: been in this kind of ongoing warfare, this chemical warfare.

1038
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: Plants have had to evolve defense chemicals to meter how

1039
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: much they get consumed by herbivorous animals or omnivorous animals,

1040
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: or there would be no such thing as ecosystems. If

1041
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: every tree was just made of chocolate or whatever, you know,

1042
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: delicacy a bear or you know, any animal wants to

1043
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: go eat, there would be no plants left on the

1044
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: planet because animals would eat the plants, they would reproduce more,

1045
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: and there would just be more and more animals and

1046
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: less and less plants. So there is this delicate balance,

1047
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: and that delicate balance is really it's it's just it's coordinated,

1048
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: it's orchestrated by these plants chemicals, and we're familiar with

1049
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: some of these. A lot of us know about some

1050
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: plants that are toxic around you know, around Christmas. If

1051
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: you have a point set in your house, you're like,

1052
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: don't let the kids go by the point set. You

1053
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: guys know the point set of plants. Oh they're super toxic.

1054
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the super top knew that and forgot toxic.

1055
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: If you think if a kid eats a point set, yeah,

1056
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: they'll they'll they can get really, really sick. And there's

1057
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: a lot of other plants like that. And we were

1058
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: familiar with gluten and lectins messes up a lot of

1059
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: people's guts. I mean, there's a lot of plants out

1060
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: there that are just totally freaking toxic. There are people

1061
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: that have died for eating too much surrell and soral,

1062
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, and um, it's that's because of the amount

1063
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: of oxalates in there. So that's a whole another thing

1064
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: we can go down a rabbit hole with. But there

1065
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: are a lot of plant toxins out there. And the

1066
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: ideas that the roots, the stems, the leaves, and the

1067
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: seeds of plants are plants kind of just saying hey,

1068
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm here and you're there. I'm good, don't mess with me.

1069
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: I won't mess with you. Let's just try and be friends.

1070
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put some toxins in these foods, these parts

1071
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: of my plant and issuade you from over consuming them.

1072
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: And if you eat a lot of them, you're not

1073
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: gonna feel very good, or you might even die. I

1074
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: might make this fruit every once in a while, and

1075
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: that's gonna be less toxic because I kind of want

1076
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: you to eat that and then poop out my seeds

1077
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: somewhere else where. It has this fertile pile of manure

1078
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: for me to grow. But there's a clear communication here.

1079
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: And so if you look at plants, the seeds of plants,

1080
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: which essentially are seeds, nuts, grains, and legumes, so beans

1081
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: are all seeds, they're all plant babies. That are all

1082
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: plant reproductive efforts to reproduce, to put their generation forward,

1083
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: to put the next generation of DNA beyond them. And

1084
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: these are some of the most highly defended parts of plants.

1085
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: And this won't really be totally foreign to anyone who's

1086
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: heard of things like gluten intolerance or Celiac disease. Well,

1087
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: wheat is a grain and it has a lot of lectins.

1088
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: Gluten is one lectins are these one type of plant

1089
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: defense chemical compound. But if that is other lectins like

1090
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: wheat or magluten in, a lot of things in wheat

1091
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: are not good for humans. It's a plant seed, it's

1092
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: a grain. A lot of other grains are not so

1093
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: good for us, like beans. Beans are excuse me, a

1094
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: lot of other seeds are not so good for us,

1095
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: like beans. And if you eat you ever trying to

1096
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: eat a raw bean, like off the plant. They're trying

1097
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: to be like a kidney bean. You ever seen kidney

1098
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: bean or a lion? They're superbeans. Really, how do you feel?

1099
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: I didn't need enough. I knew that they will mess

1100
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: you up, so I never ate enough to mess super

1101
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: mess you up. So but I read about a kid,

1102
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: a three year old kid who got lost in a

1103
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: soybean field one time, and he'd eat a bunch of

1104
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: soybeans and got sick. And I just ate one to

1105
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: see what it was like. Yeah, so if you eat

1106
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: raw beans, they will they will make you violently ill.

1107
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: And there are hundreds of recorded episodes now of people

1108
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: getting food poisoning from undercook kidney beans. So a lot

1109
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: of the seeds out there are frankly toxic to humans.

1110
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: You know, apple seeds have toxic things in them like

1111
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: arsenic or cyanide, and I should stop eating those. My

1112
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: dad was always like eat the seeds in the core

1113
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: and the apple. Ye, I mean you could eat them,

1114
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: just don't don't shoot them. Don't. I guess I've ever

1115
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: been poisoned. Let me hit you one of that. I

1116
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: think you'll think it is, then you'll appreciate this one.

1117
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: So you're from us with snowshoe hairs, they're they're famously cyclical,

1118
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: and they on these like you know, seven year eight

1119
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: year cycles where their populations explode and in a collapse

1120
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 1: and exploding collapse, and people used to try to correlate

1121
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: it to all kinds of things, um, sun spots wherever

1122
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: that no one could ever find an explanation. Lead theory

1123
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: on why snowshoe hairs have a cyclical spike is they

1124
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: predominantly will feed on willow um as the willows are

1125
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: getting overgrazed, they'll start putting a ton of energy into toxins,

1126
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: and then the primary food source of the animal actually

1127
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: starts to not be nourishing and kills it. All of

1128
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, you trim off this whole population of rabbits.

1129
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: The plants aren't getting grays anymore, they don't put energy

1130
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: into plant toxicity, and eventually this very small amount of

1131
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: rem that rabbits are left are back to eating a

1132
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: healthy food source. And this cycle seems to run in

1133
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,959
Speaker 1: about a seven year cycle. And that's this is after

1134
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: many people postulated many things, but to lead theory on

1135
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: what drives that is there that plant's response to getting

1136
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: eaten by it. And if you look at grazing animals,

1137
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: there are many historical examples of large herds of grazing

1138
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: animals dying and mass when they're cordoned off by fences

1139
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: are made to graze on a small amount of area.

1140
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: If you look at ruminants or grazing animals, they don't

1141
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: eat just one plant. I mean this, this example of

1142
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: the hairs is interesting, but a lot of them will

1143
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: pick a little bit of this one, little bit of

1144
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: that one, a little bit of that one, because they

1145
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: realize every plant has a toxin in it and if

1146
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: they get too much of this toxin, they're gonna get sick.

1147
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: But they can get a little bit of this tox

1148
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: and a little bit of that tox, and a little

1149
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: bit of that tox and a little bit of that toxin. Right,

1150
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: So this is these are herbivorous animals. But the thesis

1151
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: that I example advanced or you know, the kind of

1152
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: the hypothesis. What I'm saying in the carnivore code with

1153
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: this idea is, look, eating animal foods made us human.

1154
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: And we can talk about why I think that way.

1155
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: If you look at the evolution of the human brain,

1156
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: it exploded in size, not literally but figure early in

1157
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: the last two million years, and that correlates very strongly

1158
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: with the advent of hunting. There were these auschuli and

1159
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: these bifacial tools cut marks on bones, mass graves, and

1160
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: you can date, you know how old these bones and

1161
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: these animals are that have cut marks and stuff. It

1162
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: looks like humans started hunting about two million years ago.

1163
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: Our brain was about five hundred ccs and it had

1164
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: been about five ccs for the previous ninety million years.

1165
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: And you know, you go up and in the last

1166
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: and the next two million years, it grows from five

1167
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: hundred ccs TOCs it triples in size, which is a

1168
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: massive energetic input for humans. We had to change all

1169
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: sorts of things in our gut, and that was probably

1170
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: because there were more calories and there were these unique

1171
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: nutrients and animal foods nias and riba flavor, coline, carnatine

1172
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: creatine that our brains needed to grow and something. When

1173
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: we had those boom. We can grow a bigger brain,

1174
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: and that gives us more survival advantage. We get a

1175
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: near cortex, We can plan hunting with our with our tribe,

1176
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: we can evade predators better. We don't have claws and

1177
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: towns anymore, but we can fashion spears and nest. The

1178
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: human race goes on, and so a food that lies

1179
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: at the center of our evolution is what we need

1180
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: to grow and that really made us who we are.

1181
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: That's a statement I make in the book that eating

1182
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: animals nos the tail made us human. It made us human,

1183
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: and I think that because of that, and there's good

1184
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: evidence for this, looking at stable isotopes of you know,

1185
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: fossilized remains of teeth that are I think at least

1186
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: a million years old, which is crazy to think about that,

1187
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: and even more recent hunter gatherers um from fifty thousand

1188
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: years ago. You can look at uh stabilized stope analysis

1189
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: of co living Neanderthal and Homo sapiens in northern Europe

1190
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: and see the majority of their protein was coming from animals.

1191
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: And you can look at this these barrium and caesium

1192
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: and nitrogen and carbon and sulfur isotopes, and say, man,

1193
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: they were eating a lot of animals. It looks like

1194
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: they were eating like more animals than known carnivores like hyenas.

1195
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: So the thesis in a lot of anthropology circles is, hey,

1196
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: we were essentially high level quote carnivores. We weren't eating

1197
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: all animals, but we were eating the majority of our

1198
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: diet as animals when we could get them. So I'm

1199
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: they think that our blueprint is humans is in stark

1200
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: contrast what we've been told today. It's not kale that's

1201
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: the superfood. It's the animal foods that are the superfoods.

1202
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: And that you see this indigenous cultures too. They seek

1203
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: out animals preferentially, and they'll eat plants as fallback food,

1204
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: as survival food, but they don't really if they've got

1205
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: a big kill, they're not gonna be like, hey, we

1206
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: got a whole whole elephants or a whole water buffalo. Well,

1207
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: let's just put that aside. I'm gonna go I'm gonna

1208
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: go gather some tubers, you know, I'm gonna go gather

1209
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: some There's some good, some good acorns over here. They're like, no,

1210
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat this freaking buffalo. Man. But we're we're

1211
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: adaptable as humans, and we do have the ability to

1212
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: be omnivorous, and I think that we've used that throughout

1213
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: our evolution to during times of scarcity, use plant foods

1214
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: as fallback foods, as survival foods. And this is because

1215
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: plants have toxins. So what have we done. We've learned

1216
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: how to ferment them. And you see this over and

1217
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: over a lot of times when indigenous cultures eat plant foods,

1218
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: they're fermented things like sauer Kraud. This comes from fermented cabbage.

1219
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: A lot of the toxins that are in cabbage, which

1220
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the same toxins and kale are degraded

1221
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: when you ferment the cabbage. A lot of beans are

1222
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: fermented in sort of South American cultures. So we've figured

1223
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: out ways. But if you look at the number of ways,

1224
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: the sheer volume of ways that humans have figured out

1225
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: to make plants more edible, it's clearly indicating they are

1226
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: full of toxins. Whether it's cooking or dhauling or it's

1227
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: an interesting point, man, Like the amotta plants we eat

1228
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, the grains and stuff we you don't eat,

1229
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: like you can't eat raw raw. You gotta do to

1230
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: make them medable. You gotta do a lot of stuff.

1231
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: You gotta pressure cook the heck out of the mean.

1232
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: Look at white rice, you know, in Asian cultures, it's

1233
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: a staple, and they figured out, oh, if you take

1234
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: the hull off the rice, it's way less toxic for humans,

1235
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: and we've been told the reverse. So brown rice is

1236
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: more healthy. But brown rice has a lot of arsenic

1237
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: in it, because arsenic is concentrated in the hull of

1238
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: the rice, and a lot of the things that prevent

1239
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: us from absorbing minerals are in the hull of the rice,

1240
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: like phightic acid, things like that. So humans realize, hey,

1241
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: if we take the hull off the rice, we can

1242
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: get the grain out of the middle, and there's not

1243
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 1: a lot of nutrients in there, but as at least

1244
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: calories to keep me going until tomorrow. But where do

1245
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: we then get our massive micro nutrient doses. We get

1246
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: them from animal foods every day. Okay, this is my

1247
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: long way to answer for what I eat every day

1248
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: and the reason I had that whole sort of explanation was.

1249
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: I wanted people to understand that this is my perspective

1250
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: on it, because when I say this, people are just

1251
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: gonna be like, click off goes the podcast. This guy's

1252
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: a looney been m because you're doing you're doing an

1253
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: extreme version. We should have started with that. Yeah, I mean, so,

1254
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: so I don't need plants, all right, I don't need

1255
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: any plants. I have any any plants in over two years.

1256
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: I did a short experiment for a couple of days

1257
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: where I was wearing a continuous glucost monitor where I

1258
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: included some berries and some squash in my diet just

1259
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: to see what would happen to my glucost. But I've

1260
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: found that I feel better without plants. And the reason

1261
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't need need plants is because I don't. There

1262
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: are no nutrients and plants that I can't get from

1263
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: eating animal. No, the tail and I take when you

1264
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: can play. When you say plants, you're talking like flower,

1265
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: like wheat, No, like like any plants that I'm saying.

1266
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean you're including that. Oh yeah, I'm including like

1267
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: grains and flour and wheat like I don't know to

1268
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: talk about skipping green vegetables. No, all of this every

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Speaker 1: once in a while, I'm on a date with a

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01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: girl and I don't need plants, and she goes, well,

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Speaker 1: do you eat bread? No, I don't need bread. I

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Speaker 1: don't even plants. Well do you know no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Just I don't think people understand, like I don't need

1274
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: plant products, like all I eat all I eat his

1275
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: animals and you know I people say, well, then you

1276
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: just eat meat, and how that go over on the date? There?

1277
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 1: They usually that's usually that of the day or they're

1278
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: like they kind of roll their eyes and they're just

1279
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: not sure what to think. I think they're in shell

1280
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: shock after that. I'm not sure. Yeah, I try to

1281
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: get that to like the second or third date. I don't.

1282
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: I try not to let that. Don't do dinner dates.

1283
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: They're like, you want to go to restaurant. I'm like

1284
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: about that, Let's just go for a walk. Uh, let's

1285
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: just go hiking or something. Um still doesn't go over

1286
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: so good. People think it's a little strange. But I

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01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: don't eat I don't need plants. I eat only meat.

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01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: But by meat, I don't just eat meat, right, I

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01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: eat meat and liver and organs. So I eat two

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01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: meals a day. I'm interested in time restricted feeding, which

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01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: is eating. I eat breakfast, and I eat lunch late lunch,

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01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: and then I don't eat dinner because I want to

1293
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: have some period in the day where I'm not eating,

1294
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: kind of like this intermittent fasting type of idea. And

1295
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: if you look at this, you know, I take my

1296
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: key tones in the morning and I actually have keytnes

1297
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: in my blood every morning, so I'll get into keytosis. Um.

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01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: But I think is a good thing for humans to

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01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: kind of cycle in and out of keytosis, but not

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01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: be in it all the time. I think, when you're

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Speaker 1: done telling us about what you eat and then we

1302
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: should talk a little bit about keto keytosis, well yeah,

1303
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: do that, but but finish this because but I want

1304
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: to I gotta have you in the morning. So I

1305
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning. So this morning, I eat

1306
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: the same thing pretty much every day. I I've got

1307
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: it works for me, and I mean I'm easy. Um.

1308
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: But again that it's not to say that you have

1309
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: to eat this way. There's a lot of variety. We're

1310
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: building a cookbook around this too. Um. So I eat

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01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: a lot of so I eat grass fed grass finish

1312
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 1: meat from our generative farms, a lot of good farms.

1313
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: I want to support that type of agriculture. If I

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01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: can't eat an animal that I've hunted, i'll eat meat

1315
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: from those farms. And so i'll eat about a pound

1316
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: of meat twice a day, eat a little less than

1317
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: two pounds of meat a day. And it's right now,

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01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,959
Speaker 1: it's a lot of stew meat. And I make bone broth,

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01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: so I'll make my own bone broth with knucklebones. It

1320
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: has all the tendons on there. And what I'll do

1321
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: is I'll blanch the meat in bone broth and then

1322
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: add salt to it, and then I'll eat the bone

1323
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: broth and tendons, and i'll get my glycine, the connective tissue,

1324
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: and I'll eat the meat. And then I also eat

1325
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: some organs, and so as many of the fresh organs

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01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: as I have, i'll eat those. So most days i'll

1327
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: eat liver, heart spleen, pancreas. If i've got thimus, i'll

1328
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: eat it. If I can get testco, i'll eat it.

1329
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: And your butcher's gotta love you, man, because you're buying

1330
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: the stuff they have. No, it's not even at the butcher.

1331
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: It's hard to get I gotta talk to my phone.

1332
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: You're buying all the stuff that winds up in a

1333
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: rendering play. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's important, you know.

1334
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: So I get all the organs I can in a day,

1335
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: a few ounces, and then I'll eat some suet because

1336
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in this kidney fat um. It's high

1337
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: in a compound called ste i. I just I chew

1338
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: it and I have like a swig of bone broth

1339
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: with it, kind of warm because it sue it's really waxy.

1340
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: It's all either like straight as straight ass. You don't

1341
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: you don't you don't you don't like rendered out in

1342
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: the pan, or like you make a crackling Nope, I

1343
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: just eat it. I just take the suit raw and

1344
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: I eat it with bone broth, and then I'll add

1345
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: some Redman real salt. And then so for the first

1346
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: year and a half, you're okay with salt. Yeah, yeah,

1347
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: totally okay with salt. Before you get to how it

1348
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 1: felt to tell me about just blanching stew meat, because

1349
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: that to me sounds real tough. It's actually not bad

1350
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: at all, because I don't over blanch it. I mean,

1351
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm just doing that because I find stew meat to

1352
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: be affordable. People will sometimes criticize my diet and say,

1353
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: I can't eat two ReBs a day. That's fifty bucks

1354
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: in me. And I go, well, I eat eight dollars

1355
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: a pound grass fed, grass finished stew meat, and I

1356
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's great. So you take the bone, Yeah,

1357
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: that's good. Yet had a good question. You take you

1358
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: make bone broth, which I get and then imagined you

1359
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: probably pick all this stuff off the bone, eat all

1360
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: of it. And I actually will chew on the bones too.

1361
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: And then and then you'll take stew meat, slice it,

1362
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: just slice it thin or cut it however, and you'll

1363
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: heat up bone broth to cook the stew meat. And

1364
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: this is how I'm doing it. Now do you ever?

1365
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: Do you ever? Uh? Did you just take animal fat

1366
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: and fry? I don't. Why not? I have in the past,

1367
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: But because I'm a scientist, because I'm a doctor, and

1368
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: I think about lipid peroxides and all this other so

1369
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, keep talking about your food.

1370
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna add in my notes lipid peroxide, lipid peroxides,

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01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: white frying is bad. All right. Now, I'm disappointed. I've

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Speaker 1: done a lot of that. Okay, I think that's probably

1373
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: if you're fine an animal fat, I think you're probably

1374
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: find there's a lot of cultures to do it. But

1375
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: I do experiments myself all the time. I'm trying to

1376
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: optimize because I realized that. I'm like, so you're like

1377
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: against frying stuff an animal fat. I'm not against it.

1378
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: I just like doing the experiments and myself to see

1379
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: because I'm like the pirate man, I'm like the astronaut

1380
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: on the way to the moon. Nobody's ever done this before,

1381
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: and I just want to be like, is this better

1382
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: as it worse. I want to be the person that

1383
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: kind of helps people understand, like this is the ideal,

1384
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: but you can do it this way too. I'm not

1385
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: completely against frying things in animal fat um. I used

1386
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: to do that a lot. I just do a lot

1387
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: of the blanching now, and so I'll put it in

1388
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: the in the bone broth for maybe less than a minute.

1389
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: So I like my meat really raw, and so if

1390
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: you just cook the outs side and then you know

1391
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: the inside is pretty much like blue rare. Yeah, yeah,

1392
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm not over cooking it. And the meat I get

1393
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: from these regenerative farms is pretty darn tender, and I

1394
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,919
Speaker 1: love it. Not into fish. We can talk about fish.

1395
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: We can talk about fish. So I love fish. I

1396
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: just feel like a lot of fish is from sources

1397
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: that are polluted. If I could eat fish from clean

1398
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: rivers and lakes or oceans, I'll do it. So you

1399
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: don't like the heavy metals, I don't like the heavy metals.

1400
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: Get worried about this then microplastics. Yeah, I mean I

1401
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: think about this because I I test my heavy metals

1402
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: all the time, and I test the metals in my clients.

1403
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: And if I have had clients who eat opo, I

1404
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: go to the story they get opos wild or they

1405
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: get you know, it's just like I think I'm one

1406
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: of these bigger deep sea fishes. Oh I'm a minute, okay, yeah, um,

1407
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: halb don't eat with fish, yeah, halib it, sword fish,

1408
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: those kind of things. A lot of metals, and you'll

1409
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: see this down. We should have started with this if

1410
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: you're if you're guinea pigging yourself like all. I mean,

1411
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: I think that's awesome. I think we should have just

1412
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: started with this intro to to like set the record straight.

1413
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: He's you know, I think it's great, but there's no

1414
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: reason to apologize. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like

1415
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: you feel a little bit of burden. Right. If I'm

1416
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: going to write a book as a physician, I'm going

1417
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: to test all my labs. I've probably done over a

1418
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: thousand blood work test at this point, and I talked

1419
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: about Yeah, I test my labs all the time. I

1420
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: had a couple of blood tests like last week. I've

1421
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: done it all my podcast multiple times. I love doing

1422
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: blood work and looking at things and looking at my

1423
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: inflammatory markers and my heavy metals, and I want to

1424
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: know these things because I'm writing a book and I

1425
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: have to be able to tell people this is what

1426
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: I think works, this is what I believe works. And

1427
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: I work with clients doing this too, So I see

1428
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: it all the time. And what I'm saying about the

1429
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: OPA or the uh, the I had so many a

1430
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: lot of tuna, and then you see the mercury and

1431
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: the blood rise immediately even three week, three times a week,

1432
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: wild Sam, and I'll see the mercury bump a little bit,

1433
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, that's an ideal. Have we just

1434
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: over polluted all the oceans at this point? And I think, well,

1435
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: I like fish and I love fishing, and I love

1436
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: I've only fly fished a couple of times, but I

1437
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: freaking love being on rivers. I love being in those places.

1438
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: But I ask myself, is it the best food in

1439
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: was it? Was it fantastic food years ago? Absolutely? But

1440
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: the thing I worry about is that is fishing. I'm

1441
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: not telling people I can't fish. I'm just trying to

1442
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: offer tools that might be helpful for human health. But

1443
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: is fishing now like eating beef grown in downtown Tokyo.

1444
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: You know, if if you eat beef that's inhaling lots

1445
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: of polluted air all the time, is that the best

1446
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: kind of beef you want to eat? Like I want

1447
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: to eat beef that's grown on the Idyllic farm in

1448
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: northern California. Well, yeah, but they just eat short lived,

1449
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: non pasciferous fish. That's probably the way to do it.

1450
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: That's the way to Yeah, eat small fish that don't

1451
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: accumulate metals, avoid big old fish, to eat lots of

1452
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: big old fish. There you go, That probably the way

1453
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: to do it. So if I did more of that,

1454
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: maybe I do that, But I mean one could do that.

1455
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: You could do that. You could do that. And also

1456
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: if you were eating fish, you could eat the fish

1457
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: nose to tail too. You know. The the fish row

1458
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: is very beneficial and has been treasured by cultures for

1459
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: many generations as well. And the organs brain. Yeah, those

1460
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: kind of things are valuable. Fish eyes, fish head, soup.

1461
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: This is what we're talking about. Nose to tail. Let's

1462
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: get back to your daily diet. Okay, my daily diet.

1463
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: You started out. You got your bone broth. My bone broth.

1464
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: I blanched some some some some steaming in it. How

1465
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,560
Speaker 1: much bone broth you drink? Uh? So I make a

1466
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: big pot for and it last me three to four days.

1467
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: I drink probably sixteen ounces a day of bone broth.

1468
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: No coffee, I don't do coffee. That's a plant. Yeah.

1469
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: Do you got any kind of coffee type thing you

1470
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,560
Speaker 1: make just to get that sensation of drinking coffee? I

1471
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: do deep breaths, I'll just go, you know, or just

1472
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: the organs. You have to quit drinking coffee at some

1473
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: point in time. Was it hard? It was hard. I

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Speaker 1: used to be a bike racer, so I used to

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01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: race road bikes, and there's a big culture and road

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01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: bike in around. Sipping your cappuccino with your finger out. Yeah,

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01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: then like coffee and road bike in and stuff. Yeah,

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01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: you know that kind of brings a bell. I've seen that,

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01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: like a bunch of old dudes on bikes, the little

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Speaker 1: clickie shoes going in and get going in to get coffee,

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01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: and there's a there's yeah, you wear spandex, you drink

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01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: coffee a lot of the time. Like, yeah, they're super excited.

1483
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: Maybe they shouldn't be wearing spandex. But that's a whole different,

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01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: whole different stories. So and yeah, when I had to

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01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: stop drinking coffee, got a wake at headache for a week,

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01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, but it was giving me

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01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 1: a drinking and give you a headache. I do, but

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01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like I don't want to drink it for

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Speaker 1: a week, and I don't drink camel tea in the morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's very on your very you're the exception. I wind

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01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: up where I can't get any coffee. I take a

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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: aspirin or Bobby profen. Proact what's the word I'm looking for. Proactively. Really,

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01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, well, if I can't get a coffee,

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01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: I'll get a headache. So I just treat. I just

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01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: treat the headache. And I used to take Excedrin. I

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01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: used to carry around exceed because he's got caffeine in it.

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01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: Just I don't know, stick your head, and I used

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01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: to water and do like twenty five push ups. You're golden.

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Speaker 1: It's pain. That's not what he's trying to It's not

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's not waking up. It's the fact

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01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: that he's You're gonna get the caffeine addiction. So excedrin

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: has a little bit of caffeine in it. I iced

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01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: to bring it camping, and if we were doing a

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01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: thing where there wasn't gonna be coffee in the morning,

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01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: I would bring it and just take it instead of

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01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: coffee so that I wouldn't get the coffee headache. But hey,

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01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: what don't you talk about coffee? All right? So there

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Speaker 1: you are. You have to drinking all this bone broth.

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01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: Drinking bone broth eating tendons blanched me. And then I'll

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: eat the organs, and I eat the organs raw. So

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01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: I love to eat the organs ship. I'll do shooters.

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01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: And I was talking to Korean about this before. I

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01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: think a good way to eat liver is to do

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01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: a shooter. But I realized a lot of people won't

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01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: do this, which is why we made the descated organ

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01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: supplements as well. So I'll do the organs and then

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01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: So for the first I was just saying this. For

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01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: the first year and a half I did this, I

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01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 1: had no carbs in my diet. It was zero carb

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01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,719
Speaker 1: um but a lot of protein balm. Let me ask you, Okay,

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 1: we'll come back to that. No, No, just a quick digression.

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Speaker 1: Are you okay? Do you ever find yourself? Do you're

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01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: sneak a donut? I think that, I'm I think that.

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01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: Are you ever like my god? Do I want to donut?

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01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: You know what? I will never eat another cookie as

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01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: long as I live. I just don't crave them. See

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: that's like, Yeahni, he's all anti sugar. Well, I just don't.

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01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: You may not like the next thing I'm gonna say,

1529
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: but I don't. Um, I don't. I just don't crave

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01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: those foods. I think in my mind, I've been able. No.

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: I never did, not, even like a little kid. I mean, sure,

1532
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: as a little kid I did. But at some point

1533
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: there was a shift in my mind and psychologically I

1534
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: just connected the way I felt afterwards, and I was

1535
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: like it's not worth it. It's not worth it. Nothing

1536
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 1: takes as good as healthy feels. Tony Robbins said, that

1537
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: is I love it, you know, like I just prioritize it.

1538
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, in medical school, I

1539
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: was doing jiu jitsu. Man, I'm getting choked and ship.

1540
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to feel bad the next day, Like

1541
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: I can't even a donut or drink alcohol, and you know,

1542
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: I just running and being in the woods. There's so

1543
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: many cool things I want to do in my life.

1544
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: I don't want it. It's not worth it to me

1545
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: to eat bad food. That's why I quit drinking so

1546
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: much alcohol. I love drinking alcohol, just like being hungover.

1547
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're more connected to how your

1548
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: body feels? And maybe the average person who if you ask,

1549
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: how do you feel after drinking five bottles of beer?

1550
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: How do you feel after eating half of a pound cake?

1551
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:17,759
Speaker 1: That that you're yeah, or that you're actually tuned into

1552
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: a certain visceral feeling and experience of yourself, like moment

1553
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: by moment that you just there. You don't crave it

1554
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: because it feels like pain. Absolutely, And I think this

1555
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 1: is one of the key points is that when you

1556
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: simplify your diet enough. When you get clean enough quote unquote,

1557
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: you get you get a good baseline. A lot of

1558
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 1: people can't separate signal from noise, so they always feel shitty,

1559
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: or they always feel a little bit hungover, They always

1560
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: feel a little bit brain fog. Are they always a

1561
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: little depressed? Yeah, what you're saying, once you get clean

1562
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: quote unquote, you know once you and a lot of

1563
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 1: people experience that for the first time when they fast,

1564
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: because it's it's really tricky for people to understand what

1565
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: good food is. But if you if you really don't

1566
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: know what to eat, just fast for a few days,

1567
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: which is not easy, but fast for three days and

1568
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: you will feel the best you've ever felt in your

1569
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: life because you have no negative inputs. Now, the trick

1570
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: is being able to do that long term, because you

1571
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: can't fast forever you will die. But if you can

1572
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: feel as good as you feel when you are fasting,

1573
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: when you're eating food, then you found food that really

1574
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: worked with your body. And that's the way that I

1575
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: and now thousands of people feel when they're doing an

1576
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: animal based diet or mostly animal foods, eating nose to

1577
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: tail and so yes, I think that I've gotten so

1578
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: refined in the laboratory of this corporeum my body that

1579
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: I know when I eat something bad, I'm just like, man,

1580
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: I ate something, I'm off either my stomach feels off

1581
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: or I get brain fog. And I've heard it from

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01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: my friends too. I mean, you know, I'm traveling with

1583
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: a couple of couple of my friends from Hard and

1584
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: Soil here, and you know, one of the guys had

1585
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 1: to eat a sandwich in the airport and he did

1586
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: it kind of cheapestly. I was like, Doug, where'd you go.

1587
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: He's like, I had a sandwich. I was like, why,

1588
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: why did you do that? You didn't want to eat

1589
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: it in front of me, did you? And he's like, yeah,

1590
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: sandwich shaming. Yeah. And then he was like, you know what,

1591
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't feel good and he was farting all last

1592
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: night and stuff, and so you know, it's you can tell.

1593
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 1: But once you get your body kind of refined, that

1594
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: makes it so much easier to make behavioral change, because

1595
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, like I actually saw what it felt like

1596
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: to feel really good, to sleep well, to wake up

1597
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: clear headed, to have energy, to like do one workout

1598
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: and then be like, you know, I could go work

1599
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: out again, or like do a workout and then play

1600
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 1: with your kids, or like proper human libido, or not

1601
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: being depressed or anxious or you know all those things.

1602
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: That's what makes life. We're living like training, right. It's

1603
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: like if you keep sticking your hand inside it, I

1604
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: don't know, a raccoon cage or something, and it bites

1605
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: your hand, you're gonna speaking up. He purnt up at

1606
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: raccoon cage. But I mean, I think you guys get

1607
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: it with drink, and a lot of people would drink

1608
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: all the time, don't even understand how good you could

1609
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: be when you don't drink. And I hear these people

1610
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: all the time when they cut things out of their diet.

1611
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: I never knew I could feel this good. I never

1612
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: knew I could feel as good as I felt when

1613
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: I cut bread out of my diet. I never knew

1614
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 1: how good I was gonna feel when I cut all

1615
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: these plants out of my diet, when I cut kill

1616
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: out of my diet. Had somebody email me that the

1617
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: other day. I never knew how good my gut, you know,

1618
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 1: my stomach could feel until I cut kill out of

1619
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: my diet. Mysteriously blow seriously, you know, I was trying

1620
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: to having Like I mean, I'll tell you, one of

1621
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: the best things about being eating a carnivore diet is

1622
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about farting, because that's really

1623
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: socially awkward and uncomfortable, you know, Like I mean. If

1624
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: you think a carnivore diet is hard on dating, try

1625
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: being a vegan because I was that too. I was

1626
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: a raw vegan for seven months. About you did that.

1627
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: I was a rab vegan for seven months. I was lost.

1628
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 1: I lost twenty five pounds of muscle mass, and all

1629
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: the people hang out with it were just like, man,

1630
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: you have the worst part. Now, what were you doing that?

1631
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 1: Why was I doing it? Like thirteen years ago? A

1632
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: long time ago, so you'd like, do a lot of

1633
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: guinea pigging. I love it. Now what this is I'm

1634
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: kind of annoyed by this question, but I have to

1635
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: ask you, when you're traveling, how are you how are

1636
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: you rigging up for your meals? Or it's just so

1637
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: simple because you're eating such simple things, it's not hard

1638
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: to get it. It's super simple. So we took I

1639
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: think that that's one of the reasons the desiccated stuff

1640
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: is super helpful, right, So we took the desicated stuff

1641
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:52,560
Speaker 1: on the plane. If you don't want to travel with

1642
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: liver and spleaning pancreas, it's hard to get. I have done, yeah,

1643
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: but it's hard to get. You know. We went to

1644
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: the co op here in Bozeman and I was like,

1645
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: do you guys have any spleen? They're like no, what

1646
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: about pancreas? No? And even liver. We might have a

1647
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: little liver. I was like, I sweet, I got one

1648
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: for a cat's psychologists hanging up in that place. Maybe

1649
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: you coming the door, because like all those old signs,

1650
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: you like tear off a tab cat's cholos to get

1651
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: a shrink for your cat. I had to quit going

1652
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: into that store. But they had good meat. They had

1653
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: good meat. Maybe you can tell you that's right. Well,

1654
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the invite to dinner at Steve's house.

1655
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: I didn't get it yet. So that's that's about that.

1656
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: That's about all I got right now. But yeah, I

1657
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,879
Speaker 1: mean it's it's super simple. So I think for traveling,

1658
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: I think, okay, what do I need to eat? I

1659
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: want to bring some suet, So I packed a little

1660
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: I got a little glass container. I brought some kidney fat.

1661
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: Who brings kidney fat on a plane except this guy.

1662
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: I brought some kidney fat. I brought some meat, and

1663
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: I forgot the liver. So I went to the store.

1664
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: I got some liver, and um, yeah, I brought some

1665
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: salt on the plane and I'm good. And so I

1666
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: didn't finish telling you guys what I eat in a

1667
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,799
Speaker 1: day because there's one other thing, because it's so interesting.

1668
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: So for the first year and a half I did it.

1669
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: I had no carbs, right, no cars It was all keto,

1670
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: low carb. And then I started thinking about this a

1671
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: little more, and I thought, you know what, I think

1672
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: our ancestors would have had fruit occasionally seasonally. I know

1673
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: that the hods are really treasure hunty honey. Um. I

1674
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,799
Speaker 1: got really interested in honey specifically, and there's really interesting

1675
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: data on honey being used to treat period on titus

1676
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 1: and ginger vitis. Honey is actually good for dental health

1677
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: in like the true form, which makes sense. It's a

1678
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: whole food. There's all kinds of compounds in there. And

1679
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 1: I was living in San Diego and I thought, you know,

1680
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: I feel a little cold sometimes I'm gonna reincorporate honey

1681
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: back in my diet and see how I feel. And

1682
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: of course, the you know part of me is like,

1683
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: I can't do that. It's it's not meat, and thought

1684
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: it's stupid to be dogmatic. Yeah, it's not a plan.

1685
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: And if vegans won't eat it, then I can eat it.

1686
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: That's the way I think about it. So I incorporated

1687
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: honey back in my diet and I really like it.

1688
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: So a lot of days I'll incorporate honey in my

1689
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: diet and that makes the whole thing seem a lot

1690
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: more appealing to me. And that's why I want you

1691
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: guys to read that chapter in the book about the

1692
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: Tier one carnivore diet where I say, hey, it's not

1693
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: about just eating meat. It's about eating meat in organs,

1694
01:17:57,960 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: but also knowing which parts of the plant are less

1695
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: tought sick. And there's a whole section of a carnivore

1696
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: ish diet in there where I say, okay, eat meat

1697
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: and organs, and then you can eat honey, and then

1698
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: like things like avocado and berries and squash. These are fruit.

1699
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: I think the fruit is the least toxic part of

1700
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: a plant. The plant is trying to get you to

1701
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: eat it most of the time. And so I think

1702
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: that generally speaking, fruit has been seasonally in our diets,

1703
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: and so berries. So when I thought about this, Okay,

1704
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: this is a version of an animal based diet. This

1705
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: is really how I want people to think about a

1706
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: carnivore ish diet, an animal based diet. And we're gonna

1707
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: make a cookbook that's based on a carnivora is diet

1708
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 1: next year with the same publisher, and it's the idea like, hey,

1709
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: eat animal meat and organs as a center of your diet,

1710
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 1: and then you can also have you can have carbohydrates

1711
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: if you want them, but eat it from the least

1712
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: toxic plant sources. Get rid of the kale and we

1713
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 1: can talk about why, and get rid of the seeds.

1714
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,799
Speaker 1: But if you want to do things like avocado or squash,

1715
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: or berries or an apple or seasonal fruit, those are

1716
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: probably really fine for you. And that I think opens

1717
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: up the doors for a lot of people to to

1718
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: do this type of a diet. And it's the goal

1719
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: is not to be dogmatic. The goal is to help

1720
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 1: people get back to living well. Are you doing, honey

1721
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 1: right now? I do how much I do about do

1722
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: about a hundred and fifty grams of honey a day,

1723
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: which is a lot um. So a tablespoon is fifteen grahams,

1724
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: so it's about seven to ten tablespoon's day. No milk, No,

1725
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:25,560
Speaker 1: I don't do milk. I don't do dairy. Now, A

1726
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: lot of people have trouble with dairy. An logically, I

1727
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: think our ancestors wouldn't have even a ton of milk.

1728
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: I know the mess. I eat milk, but if you

1729
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 1: can tolerate milk, it's an animal food, it's great. Um.

1730
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: But I have trouble with caseine and way I had

1731
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 1: an X amount really bad, which is the reason that

1732
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: I did a carnivore diet in the first place. You know,

1733
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: there's no ex amounts like bumpy. Yeah. Yeah, but my

1734
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: eximuma went went away completely when I did a carnivore

1735
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: diet and I tried everything else. I tried Keto and

1736
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: Paley and all this other stuff, and it couldn't It

1737
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,600
Speaker 1: didn't fix it. So that was the reason I did it.

1738
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: But dairy always triggers my EXI must, so I don't

1739
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:02,480
Speaker 1: do it. Okay, do you think if you're giving recommendations

1740
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: to people do you think that, like distilled down, is

1741
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: your message more that you need people need to add

1742
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: to their diet or they needed to take away from

1743
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: their diet. I think if you had to do one thing,

1744
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: it would be to simplify, and the one thing the

1745
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: first thing. So if you wanted to make a hierarchy, right,

1746
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: if people wanted to, If I if I were gonna

1747
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: recommend people do one thing, it's get rid of those

1748
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: vegetable oils. And this hasn't been the total focus of

1749
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: our conversation. So I think that if you're gonna do

1750
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: one thing, it would be get rid of those vegetable oils.

1751
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: And they're in a lot of things, right, So this

1752
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 1: is corn, canola, saf flower, sunflower, soybean oils. They're in

1753
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: a lot of foods. If you eliminate those from your

1754
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: diet and change nothing else, I think a lot of

1755
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 1: people will get to a better place in health. Now.

1756
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: I hope people won't stop there. I hope they will

1757
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: then add an animal meeting organs, and then I hope

1758
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: they will think about the plants they're eating and if

1759
01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: they can get rid of the most toxic plants. There's

1760
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: like three apps, but that's the first step, and the

1761
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 1: first step is just simplify and get rid of the

1762
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: processed foods which are really full of those oils, and

1763
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: stop cooking with those oils. And part of that for

1764
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people is also getting the best quality

1765
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: meat they can too, you know, because a lot of

1766
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: the meat that's fed corn and soy, these are not

1767
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: species appropriate diets and it can accumulate. It's what we

1768
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: know about things like pigs is that if you feed

1769
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:23,600
Speaker 1: pigs corn and soy, their fat is going to be

1770
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: enriched in linelaic acid. And so that's probably a problem

1771
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: for a lot of people too. But first thing, cut

1772
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: out those vegetable oils and everything with them in it.

1773
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: That's higher than cutting out sugar. It is. No I'm

1774
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: not saying I want people to keep eating sugar, but

1775
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: I think I think I think that I think that

1776
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: the single greatest driver of chronic disease and metabolic dysfunction

1777
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: in humans is excess linelaic acid. And you can actually

1778
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: look at this. There's a fascinating set of graphs out there.

1779
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: You can look at human consumption of sugar and grains,

1780
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: and you can look at the rates of obesity and

1781
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: the rates of diabetes and the rates of chronic disease.

1782
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 1: And though if you look at those graphics, you can

1783
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: look at in from consumption of grains and sugar went

1784
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: up and sort did our consumption of vegetable oil massively,

1785
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: and then around um and rates of diabetes and obesity

1786
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: and chronic disease went up to but around between now

1787
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: rates of grain consumption and sugar have actually gone down,

1788
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: the vegetable oil has continued to rise, and we are

1789
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: still getting much fatter, much sicker, much more diabetic, and

1790
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 1: much worse from an autoimmune perspective. So again this is

1791
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: just all correlational sort of inference. But what you see

1792
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: here is like, huh, this is interesting, and I think, yeah,

1793
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: sugar is not a great thing for humans at all,

1794
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: and honey actually looks to behave differently than sugar in humans.

1795
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: But if you had to do one thing, it would

1796
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: be vegetable oils in my opinion, No ship real quick

1797
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: explaining what's the problem with with If you're like, what's

1798
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: the problem with Brian meat? Like if the meat is

1799
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: okay and the oil is okay, what happens when you

1800
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 1: get it's super hot and cook one and the other right,

1801
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: So now I think if you're gonna cook meat in oil,

1802
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 1: you want to do it an animal fat. Oh. Can

1803
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: I just tell you one of my new favorites. We've

1804
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: had it like three times in the last ten days.

1805
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: I raised a bunch of wild turkey thighs and legs,

1806
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: and then I've got a jar Brody's bear grease bar

1807
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: oil from last fall, and I've been just frying that.

1808
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: It's funny if i'd turkey meat in oil in bar oil. Yeah,

1809
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: it's funny because if I did it in like vegetable

1810
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 1: oil and peanut oil, I'd be like real careful about

1811
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,879
Speaker 1: like taking the meat out and sort of like straining

1812
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,560
Speaker 1: it or draining or whatever. But when I do it

1813
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: in that bear grease, I'm just like, man, I hope

1814
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: it soaks it up so that me and the kids

1815
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: are eating it, you know, because it's good. It is good,

1816
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: And so I got keep explaining a little bit better.

1817
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean the same way that you say, like you

1818
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: you'd like to crisp up your Oh, I didn't know

1819
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: if you meant your drop like you're dropping a drumstick,

1820
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: like frying a drumstick, like like picked braised meat and

1821
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: then you fry it and then put it on something. Yeah,

1822
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: and what are you get into up the word again,

1823
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 1: you're getting all messed up on um lipid peroxide. Yeah, Okay,

1824
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: break that down for me. So it is very bad

1825
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: if maybe maybe not. So you heat it up and

1826
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: something bad happen. You heat it up at something bad happens. Now,

1827
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: humans have probably been dealing with this for a long

1828
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: long time. We know that when we eat foods there

1829
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: are compounds produced. When we heat foods and dry heated

1830
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: high temperatures, there are lots of things produced that our

1831
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: body has to kind of detoxify. Now, a lot of

1832
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: people will point to meat and say, oh, you shouldn't

1833
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: eat meat that's charged or grilled because of these compounds.

1834
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,520
Speaker 1: And some of these are polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and heterosticic

1835
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 1: a means, and the body has a way to deal

1836
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: with these. But the question is just how much can

1837
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 1: we detoxify and are we you know, are we putting

1838
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: a stress on the body. I think that most people,

1839
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: if they're healthy and have enough nutrients from good animal

1840
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: meat and oregans, can make enough lutth ione, which is

1841
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: our endogenous antioxidant. It's how it's part of how our

1842
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 1: body deals with this to detoxify these compounds. But as

1843
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 1: the astronaut, I just thought, what if I decrease them

1844
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: as low as possible in my diet? Do I feel better?

1845
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: Do my labs change? That's why I do it. I

1846
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: just want to experiment and see, like what's the end?

1847
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: You know, how do we get people there? The same

1848
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: kind of things are happen when you cook food. I

1849
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: mean when you cook plants. So coffee has heterocyclic A

1850
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 1: means as well, and so there's a lot even if

1851
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: you cook bread and your brown bread or your toast bread.

1852
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 1: There are things like Malleard products, advanced Liketion end products.

1853
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 1: So cooking food creates things that the body has to detoxify.

1854
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: We probably have the ability to do it somewhat. You

1855
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 1: just don't want to overload the system, okay, And I

1856
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: think that you're underlying health probably determines how well you're

1857
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: able to detox about that, So in my mind, I thought,

1858
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: what if I just don't get my body any of

1859
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: that or the smallest amount possible. And that's kind of

1860
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: the experiment I'm doing. I'll agree cooking a ribby and

1861
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: tallow is delicious when you get the crust on it.

1862
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,440
Speaker 1: What you're talking about there sounds delicious, crispy. Things arelicious.

1863
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna cook in oil, cooking animal fat,

1864
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: do not cooking vegetable oil, please. When you cook fats,

1865
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 1: you get what are called lipid peroxides. These are essentially

1866
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: free radicals formed by lipids. So a lipid is a

1867
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: fat molecule. And what we're talking about here now are electrons,

1868
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: and we're talking about unpaired electrons. And these molecules are reactive.

1869
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: They can move around the human body and cause damage,

1870
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,560
Speaker 1: and so your body has to detoxify them. So I

1871
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 1: think it's just for me. It was the experiment, how

1872
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: do I get the least amount of the ease of possible?

1873
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: And then can I see in my blood work that

1874
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: things like lipid peroxides change or other markers of oxidative stress,

1875
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, esoteric markers I use in medicine, like eight

1876
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 1: hydroxy two deoxy iguanasine, which is a marker of DNA damage,

1877
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: or malon dialdehyde, all that kind of stuff. So that's

1878
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: why I do it. Now, if if somebody came to

1879
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 1: me and said, am I eating too much of these,

1880
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: I'd say, well, let's just check some blood work. We

1881
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 1: can see you know, we can look at your oxidative stress.

1882
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: I can look at how much glue toothion you've got

1883
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,560
Speaker 1: and how much of its oxidized versus reduce. So I

1884
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: could tell yeah, you know, like, oh, maybe you want

1885
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: to stop doing that as much, or maybe it just

1886
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: needs more of the nutrients that are going to allow

1887
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: your body to talk about stuff. But that's why I

1888
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: do it. Does that make sense? And I'm only not

1889
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: trying to be a party pooper, you know, talk about

1890
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: like the most boring way to eat food. I just

1891
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: think about it medically too. Remember earlier, we're talking about

1892
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 1: objective realities. Okay, I imagine that in the medical community,

1893
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 1: it's possible to draw someone's blood and then look at

1894
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 1: the blood do the blood work on someone, and there

1895
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: probably isn't there's probably like an academic consensus about what

1896
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: the markers in there, whether that's a healthy person or not.

1897
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: Is that true or not true? Generally? Is there something

1898
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: still to argue about. There are a few things to

1899
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 1: argue about, but percent of it is like, yeah, we

1900
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: can look at inflammatory markers, we can look at markers

1901
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: of oxidation, lipid, peroxydes, all that kind of stuff. Yes, Okay,

1902
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: so if we drew yours. Let's say I drew yours

1903
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 1: and I took it and just showed I drew your

1904
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: blood and had your blood work drawn up, and I

1905
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 1: took it and showed it to It's just a random

1906
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: doctor coming down the road. Yeah, I'd be like, hey, man,

1907
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: what what's up? What do you think when you look

1908
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,560
Speaker 1: at this right? What would they be able to tell me?

1909
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: Would they say, man, oh, that's really surprising to see

1910
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: such low or such high this and that they would

1911
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 1: just say that guy looks really healthy for the most part,

1912
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 1: except for one thing. And we can get into that

1913
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,560
Speaker 1: if you want, Like, well, I mean, what is the

1914
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,520
Speaker 1: one thing? The one thing is l d L cholesterol,

1915
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 1: which is a whole rabbit hole to go down. So

1916
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: but that would pop out to them, that would pop

1917
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: out to them for sure, you have a lot of it.

1918
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,679
Speaker 1: I have a lot of l d L in my body.

1919
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: I do, I do, And everybody's been told that L

1920
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: d L is bad for you. But there's a whole

1921
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 1: chapter in my book kind of breaking down that myth

1922
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 1: and talking about how the lipid hypothesis is really wrong

1923
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: in my opinion and widely challenged. So we can go

1924
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: down the shot they would see or they'd be like, yeah,

1925
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 1: the gala's great. Yeah, if you don't show my LDL.

1926
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:04,600
Speaker 1: If you if you just cover up L d L

1927
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: and look at it, they be like, Wow, there's no inflammation.

1928
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: His kidneys look fine, his liver looks fine. He's got

1929
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: plenty of vitamin markers. He's got his vitamin D is high. Man,

1930
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 1: it's testosterones high. Everything, that's good. What am I? What

1931
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: am I looking at this guy? Like? How am I

1932
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 1: looking at here? And then it showing the LDL and

1933
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 1: they kind of like fall out of their chair and

1934
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: they'd say, what, he's gonna die. He's gonna he's gonna die.

1935
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: He needs a statin. Yeah, yeah, I say he needs

1936
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: med's yeah. Absolutely. And I can tell you the story.

1937
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 1: It's a pretty interesting story. But you don't need one.

1938
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: I definitely don't. So when my dad, so I'm forty three,

1939
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:37,719
Speaker 1: When my dad was forty three, he had a heart attack.

1940
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,679
Speaker 1: So I have a primary relative who had an early

1941
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 1: onset corner artery disease. Right, I've had a high quote

1942
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: LDL low density lip, a protein which is colloquially known

1943
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: as bad cholesterol, which is totally the wrong. Yeah. Yeah,

1944
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 1: I've had a high l d L four probably three

1945
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 1: plus years, I mean the whole time I've been doing

1946
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: a carnivore diet. My l d l's and over two

1947
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: hundred and the last one I got was very high.

1948
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: And so we can go down rabbit holes. This is

1949
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 1: a very complex discussion about why l d L goes

1950
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,679
Speaker 1: up and down. It probably has to do with ratio.

1951
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: Is a saturated fat unsaturated fat in the human body,

1952
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:16,719
Speaker 1: and that goes back to previous discussions about whether saturated

1953
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: fat is actually bad for humans. I don't believe it

1954
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: is at all. It's part of something we've been eating forever.

1955
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: But if you just pause there in my story, well

1956
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the rest of the story. So I've

1957
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: had a high LDL for over two years, and because

1958
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: it was so high, I thought, oh, this is a

1959
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: great opportunity to illustrate something. So I had what's called

1960
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: a coronary artery calcium score. They do a CT scan

1961
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: of your heart and they look for calcium in your arteries,

1962
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: which is calcified black. Not a perfect test, but pretty teeth. Yes, exceptually,

1963
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: and except it ends up in the heart arteries. And

1964
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: this is sort of telling you you have atheros school roses.

1965
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 1: This is the people to people worry about the plaque

1966
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: that ruptures in the arteries. Is this plaque? Right? So

1967
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: I have zero zero, And so in talking to cardiologists

1968
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: and in talking to cardiac radiologists, if you showed them

1969
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: my blood work, they would say, oh, yeah, that guy

1970
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: has a family history and his dad who had a

1971
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: heart attack at his age, and his l d L.

1972
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: Right now, my l d L is five and thirty

1973
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 1: four milligrams for desci leader. Uh, most doctors want to

1974
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: see it under a hundred. So I'm like superstar and

1975
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: l d L I'm like massively high. And they would say, oh, yeah,

1976
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: that guy is gonna have plaque. I have zero plaque.

1977
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 1: And there are so many stories like mine about this.

1978
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: Now you could say it's not a perfect test, not

1979
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: a perfect test, but it's pretty darned sensitive for that

1980
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: kind of plaque. And I have a primary relative a

1981
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: heart attack in my age. Now I'll just keep getting

1982
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: them and showing people that at zero. But it challenges

1983
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:34,799
Speaker 1: the idea that l d L cholesterol equals heart attacks,

1984
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 1: and I challenge this broadly in the book. This is

1985
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: such a big misunderstanding, and it's a lot of the

1986
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 1: reason that vegetable oils get recommended to us as healthy

1987
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: because vegetable oils lower L d L. Saturated fat raises

1988
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,679
Speaker 1: L d L. And yet what do we know about

1989
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: vegetable oils. We know they're very unhealthy for people, And

1990
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: what do we know about saturated fat, Well, it's pretty

1991
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: darned healthy for people. There's a really famous trial called

1992
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Cornery Experiment which was done in nineteen seventy three,

1993
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 1: and they took I think it was over nine thousand people.

1994
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 1: This is a randomized, blinded study. It's interventional study, this

1995
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 1: is not epidemiology. It took over nine thousand people in Minnesota,

1996
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 1: and they put half of them on high saturated fat

1997
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: diets or higher saturated fat, and another half on higher

1998
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: polyN saturated fat from vegetable oil. And that trial went

1999
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: five years, and at the end of the trial, the

2000
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: people who had more polyan saturated fat had higher rates

2001
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 1: of death from cancer, heart disease, and overall all cause mortality.

2002
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:36,640
Speaker 1: They clearly died more of all sorts of badness when

2003
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: they had more polyan saturated fats. It's a huge study,

2004
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: it's very well done. It's sort of like cut and

2005
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 1: dry vegetable oils are horrible for humans, and these are

2006
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 1: the oils that are cardiologists will tell us to eat

2007
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: because they lower L d L, and our framework for

2008
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 1: cardiovascular health is entirely l d L centric, totally eldal centric.

2009
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: If it raises LDL, it is bad. If it lowers LDEL,

2010
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: it's good. Except if you actually dig into the medical

2011
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: literature and this gets to be a little les oteric,

2012
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: and you look at this. What you find is that

2013
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 1: when you give someone polyon saturated fats like linoleic acid,

2014
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:10,480
Speaker 1: like vegetable oils, they're LDL goes down, but they're oxidized.

2015
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 1: L d L goes up, and another marker called LP

2016
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: little A, which is a marker for oxidation and LDL

2017
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: also goes up. What we now know is that it's

2018
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:19,640
Speaker 1: not so much about the L d L that you have,

2019
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 1: it's about how much of that is suffering oxidation. There's

2020
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 1: that word again, so oxidation. That's the kind of stuff

2021
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 1: I'm worried about with lipid peroxides and free radicals, and

2022
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 1: polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons is oxidative stress. We're talking about the

2023
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: movement of electrons, So you really don't want your l

2024
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 1: d L to be oxidized. And when you give someone

2025
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: vegetable oil, more LD'LL gets oxidized. The overall amount of

2026
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 1: l DL goes down, but more LDL gets oxidized. So

2027
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 1: this is one of the sort of last or it's

2028
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 1: just not even a last one. It's just a very

2029
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,560
Speaker 1: widely held belief that needs to die because it's just

2030
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: wrong and it's hurting people. And in the book, I

2031
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 1: kind of break this down. There's lots of other studies

2032
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: that show that more l d L does not always

2033
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: equal more cornary arter disease. And it's not the fact

2034
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: that LDL just goes into your arteries and causes plaque.

2035
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. Because LDL load density liver

2036
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 1: protein is a boat in your body. It's like a

2037
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,799
Speaker 1: bus and moves things around the body. It's valuable for humans.

2038
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:19,679
Speaker 1: It moves steroid backbone molecules to your testicles, to the ovaries,

2039
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 1: to the adrenal glands, to your brain to make all

2040
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: the hormones that make us human beings. We need. This molecule,

2041
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 1: l d L and HDL it's counterpart, also play a

2042
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: role in the immune response. If you talk about kids

2043
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 1: who don't have enough l d L, they get sick

2044
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 1: way more often. There's a genetic condition with a mutation

2045
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 1: in the enzyme that makes cholesterol. Now, cholesterol is a

2046
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: steroid backbone molecule that gets packaged into the l d

2047
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:47,440
Speaker 1: L particle. L d L is a bus that carries triglycerides,

2048
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: which are fat molecules, and cholesterol, and so l d

2049
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: L and cholesterol are sort of synonymous colloquially, but that's

2050
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 1: not really the correct terminology. Cholesterol is a steroid backbone

2051
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: molecule that gets made by our body and packaged into

2052
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: l d L. There's a genetic condition called Smith Lemley

2053
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 1: op Pits syndrome in which kids can't make or humans

2054
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 1: can't make LDL or they can't make cholesterol, which results

2055
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 1: in very low levels of l d L. A lot

2056
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 1: of these kids die in utero, and those that are

2057
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 1: born have pretty seriously bad medical conditions. They have a

2058
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 1: lot of times mental retardation, they have recurring infections, and

2059
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 1: the way they are treated is they are given egg

2060
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 1: yolks they are given lots and lots of egg yolks,

2061
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 1: which are super rich in cholesterol. So we give kids

2062
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 1: back cholesterol and they do better when they can't make it.

2063
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: And yet we are told by the medical establishment that

2064
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 1: this molecule, this l d L cholesterol molecule, or cholesterol

2065
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 1: in general, are trying to kill us. And it kind

2066
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 1: of goes back to this theme that we've been talking

2067
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: about throughout this podcast. Why would something that has been

2068
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 1: an essential part of our evolution suddenly be bad for us,

2069
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: whether it's eating me and organs, or whether it's a

2070
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 1: molecule that's essential to human health, why would that be

2071
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 1: bad for us? We have to rethink these paradigms, but

2072
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 1: so much of medicine move so lowly. It's like the Titanic.

2073
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 1: You just can't change these paradigms. They're just so bent

2074
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:05,560
Speaker 1: on it. But that's why I do the work I do.

2075
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: L d L is not the enemy. The enemy is

2076
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: the underlying metabolic dysfunction and or it's synonymous with insulin

2077
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: resistance or pre diabetes. That really lights the LDL on fire,

2078
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 1: but it didn't cause the blaze. So at a very

2079
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: broad strokes level, I asked people to think about it

2080
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,639
Speaker 1: like this. Imagine l d L like wood in your garage.

2081
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get spontaneous conduction into that would. You

2082
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:29,759
Speaker 1: have to have a spark, And that spark is underlying

2083
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 1: metabolic disfunction. Without a spark, that l d L is

2084
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 1: actually just valuable because you can build a house out

2085
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: of it. You could build a house or a cabin,

2086
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: or you could build a treehouse for your kids out

2087
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 1: of that wood in your garage. But if you get

2088
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 1: gasoline there and you light a fire, that that wood's

2089
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,640
Speaker 1: gonna go up. So because the LDL is involved in

2090
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,839
Speaker 1: a plaque, doesn't mean that l d L caused the plaque.

2091
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: It's the spark. And so what is the spark. The

2092
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 1: spark is metabolic dysfunction. How does metabolicas function come about?

2093
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 1: Linelaic acid and vegetable oils explain to me as though

2094
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 1: five years old katosis. Okay, the keto diet. So this

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Speaker 1: is a completely different we're going off topic. Oh no, yeah,

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01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: we're going we're going. Yeah, okay, So I'm being mindful

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01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 1: of where we're at, where we gotta get so we're

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01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: pos if I walk out of here. Oh no, there's

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Speaker 1: a pause, because I thought we were like I thought

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01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 1: that that felt like a great summation. I just I

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01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: just thought you maybe you ask that questions. Okay, No,

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Speaker 1: I never knew any of that stuff because over here

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01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: shaking his head like, well, you know, like I know,

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01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 1: I love it. It's just I'm gonna ask to listen

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01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 1: to this podcast again too, because there's just a lot

2106
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 1: of words that you know, this is the first time

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01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 1: I've heard them, right, So let me know if you

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01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 1: want to clarify them, and I'll do my best. I

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01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 1: think we can move on. I want to go. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about Keto. Yeah, we got a little checklists and

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01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 1: stuff we got um Janni weirdly put one down and

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Speaker 1: took it away. Oh no, it's back again. What what

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Speaker 1: did I take away? Oh no, I'm still there. Sorry, Okay,

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Speaker 1: ketosis like I'm five, Okay, like I'm five. Were here

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01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 1: a lot these days about the Keto diet. Going into

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01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 1: like going into katosa sounds like a bad thing, would

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01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 1: have like something bad is happening to you. Traditionally people

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01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 1: have thought about keatos is a bad thing, but I

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01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: don't think it is at all. I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: our bodies very precisely evolved defense mechanism against oarvation. It's

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01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 1: basically how your body uses stored fat as fuel. So

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Speaker 1: you have a couple of gas tanks in your body.

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01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 1: You're like a car with two gas tanks. One gas

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Speaker 1: tank is called glycogen, it's in your liver and your muscles,

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01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 1: and the other gas tank is called fat. And generally speaking,

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01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: if humans are fat, they can survive a long winter.

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01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 1: You've got stored fat. We don't want to be extra fat,

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01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 1: but we've all got a couple of pounds, many pounds

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Speaker 1: of fat in our bodies, so that if we don't eat,

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01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: or we don't have a successful hunt, we can turn

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01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: that into fuels. For one second, is it true that

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01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 1: that that fat people um stay warm better? I think thermodynamically, yeah,

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01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: it makes sense. I mean just from a I mean

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01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 1: whenever I've been out surfing in the ocean and there's

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01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: fat guys out there, they're often way way way warmer

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01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 1: than I am. I mean it's like seal blubber right,

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01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 1: Like it's insulation because like people are like, oh, yeah,

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01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: you're cold because you're skinny, it's possible. Am I am cold? Well?

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01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 1: And sometimes whop sometimes who get cold because they their

2140
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: thyroid doesn't work. But you know, all things being equal,

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01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 1: you know, if we have equivalent thyroid function and equivalent

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01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: baseline metabolism, which is how you generate heat, because your

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Speaker 1: body can generate its own heat with brown fat, things

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Speaker 1: like that, mitochondrial uncoupling, the you can you know, if

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Speaker 1: you put on a bunch of layers, you would be warmer.

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Speaker 1: You know, hold on, do you understand what mitochondrial uncoupling is.

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01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: Nobody understand if I put on a few layers, I'll

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Speaker 1: be warmer. You know that if you put on a

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01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 1: neoprene suit, you'd be warmer. So that's what it's doing.

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Speaker 1: It's just like insulation. Now I'll get back into the keyto.

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01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 1: So keyto. We have two energies ones in your muscle livers,

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01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 1: ones in your fat, ones in your fat. And the

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01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 1: way that you access your fat is through keytnes. In

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01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 1: order to pull that fuel and burn it by the

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01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 1: rest of your body. You turn that fat into keytnes,

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01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 1: so you can do something called beta oxidation. And the

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01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 1: way that you move that fat around your body is

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Speaker 1: and keytones. It's one way that it happens. So keytones

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Speaker 1: are just an alternative fuel that your body uses when

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Speaker 1: you don't have enough carbohydrates or when you're starving in general.

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Speaker 1: And that's essentially how it happens. You use that fat,

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01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 1: you turn it in key tones. Those keytones move around

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Speaker 1: the body and they get turned back into substrate that

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Speaker 1: your body can use to burn. And the goal being

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Speaker 1: to get rid of the fat, not necessarily to get

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Speaker 1: rid of I mean, the goal of ketogenic diets is, yes,

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Speaker 1: to get rid of the fat, but you can get

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Speaker 1: rid of fat without being ketogenic, So what is the goal?

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Speaker 1: Ketogenic diets were originally developed for kids with seizures because

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Speaker 1: they really yeah, because they realized medically, that's why they

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Speaker 1: were developed. Humans have always been in ketosis. If you're

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Speaker 1: out hunting and you don't have it, you don't eat

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Speaker 1: anything for twenty four hours or seventy two hours, you're

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Speaker 1: going into keytosis because your body is gonna use them.

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Speaker 1: Everybody that fasts it goes into keytosis. Yeah, and our

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Speaker 1: ancestors definitely had periods where they didn't have any substantially

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Speaker 1: meaning you're tapping into body fat. You're tapping into body fat,

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Speaker 1: and it's not you can also eat but if you

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Speaker 1: don't get enough calories because your body has It's like

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Speaker 1: you have a car. That car needs a certain amount

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01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: of energy to run every day. The lights in this studio,

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01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: you have to put energy into those lights. You have

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01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 1: to put energy into this brain, these eyeballs. Everything in

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01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 1: your body needs energy. So you if you only eat

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Speaker 1: calories a day, how does your body make up the difference.

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01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:16,679
Speaker 1: It makes up the difference by pulling it from fat

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Speaker 1: once it pulls out of glycogen the first gas tank.

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01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 1: Your body uses glycogen generally speaking, and then it goes

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Speaker 1: into fat once you exhaust the glycogen. So for most

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Speaker 1: people it takes about twenty four hours to exhaust the

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Speaker 1: glycogen and then your body switches over to burning fat

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Speaker 1: and making it in ketones. Some people have less the glycogen,

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01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 1: but if you don't eat carbohydrates, your body doesn't really

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Speaker 1: make as much glycogen. That's a broad stroke statement because

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Speaker 1: it's not entirely true, but in broad strokes, that's what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about, that you have less stored carbohydrate when

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Speaker 1: you are in ketoses, and that's then it puts you

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Speaker 1: into catos is quicker quicker or you stay in ketosis

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Speaker 1: long term because generally speaking, we have thought about ketoses

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Speaker 1: as starvation or not eating. But you can eat food

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Speaker 1: would and still be in ketosis if you don't eat carbohydrates.

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Speaker 1: Depending on the ratio of protein and fat. If you

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01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:07,760
Speaker 1: eat too much protein, you won't be in ketosis because

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Speaker 1: your body can turn protein into glucose, right, But if

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01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 1: you eat a lot of fat and a small amount

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Speaker 1: of protein or a modernmount of protein, you can get

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Speaker 1: into ketosis. Now what we know is is there a benefit?

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Speaker 1: Is there a benefit to being in ketosis besides the

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Speaker 1: fact besides the fact that you're diminishing fat, Like, what

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Speaker 1: are you really getting from it? There are absolutely benefits

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Speaker 1: to being in ketosis, but that doesn't mean you should

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Speaker 1: be in it all the time. So it's kind of

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Speaker 1: this evolutionary switch. We certainly would have had it occasionally.

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Speaker 1: At a broad level, things change in your genetics. Different

2215
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Speaker 1: genes get turned on and off when you're a ketosis

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Speaker 1: because these ketone molecules there are two major ketone molecules

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Speaker 1: in your body. These ketone molecules affect which genes get

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Speaker 1: turned on and off. And you'll here we will talk

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Speaker 1: about this as quotes cellular house cleaning, and so what

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Speaker 1: your body does is auto fogy. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you guys have heard that war. Cellular house cleaning, it

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01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 1: means eating yourself. So it cleans up old, dead, kind

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01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 1: of broken proteins and cells. When you're in that autophagy

2224
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 1: state and when you are eating less carbohydrates or when

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01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 1: you are fasting, is when your body kind of goes

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01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 1: toward auto It's a balance between building and tearing down.

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Speaker 1: Talk about doing a cleanse yes and no, is it clean?

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01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 1: And what? Well, there's a lot of stuff to clean.

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01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean there are there's a lot of cellular components

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01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 1: for humans to clean, and we need to do this occasionally.

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01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 1: And your body has mechanisms the kind of clean house.

2232
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 1: Just like your house gets dirty whether you have kids

2233
01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 1: or not. If you have kids, you know, your house

2234
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 1: just gets dirty by itself because of the kids. And

2235
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:42,320
Speaker 1: even if you don't have kids, your house still gets dirty.

2236
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,639
Speaker 1: This is entropy. Things break, they kind of go wrong.

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01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 1: Your body needs time to do this cellular house cleaning,

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01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 1: and this happens when you are fasting or when you

2239
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 1: can enable your body to do it. When you have

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Speaker 1: a caloric deficit. So like I said, if you have

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Speaker 1: if you have a baseline requirement for calories a day,

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01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 1: or two thousand calories a day, and you only eat

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01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 1: eight hundred, your body is gonna make up the rest

2244
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 1: by burning glycogen or by burning stored fat. And when

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01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 1: you are in that state, when you were in a

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01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 1: calorically deficient state, your body does this house cleaning state,

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01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:12,680
Speaker 1: this auto fog that's been associated with a lot of

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01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: good things and humans, a lot of better outcomes and

2249
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:17,559
Speaker 1: all kinds of things. So it's helpful, but you can

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01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:19,479
Speaker 1: over use it. It's something we should cycle in and

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01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:21,560
Speaker 1: out of, and it doesn't have to be complex. This

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01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 1: is the way it always would have been. You don't

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01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 1: get an animal every day you go hunting. Our ancestors

2254
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 1: didn't either. There were times they were fasting, there were

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Speaker 1: times they had caloric deficits, and they were times they

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01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 1: feasted and they had caloric excess. It's built into our physiology.

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Speaker 1: The problem is that we eat every day. A lot

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01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 1: of people eat every day and they have caloric excess

2259
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,639
Speaker 1: every single day. They never do time restricted feeding. Remember

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Speaker 1: earlier when I was talking about I was talking about

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01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 1: my diet, and I eat two meals a day. I

2262
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 1: have a time restricted feeding window. That's just something I

2263
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 1: leverage most days where I eat breakfast in a late

2264
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 1: lunch and then all fast about sixteen hours every day,

2265
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 1: and I wake up in ketosis even though I'm eating

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01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 1: honey right, So even though I'm getting hy grams of carbohydrates,

2267
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm using my liver glycogen. My body is using stored

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01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 1: fat to make keytones. But keytones are beneficial for humans

2269
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:08,879
Speaker 1: and that they change things, and it's valuable, but it shouldn't.

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01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't think you should happen all the time, and

2271
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 1: so it should be sicklic and so the keyto genic

2272
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 1: diet is leveraging a lot of these ideas. But you

2273
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:17,840
Speaker 1: don't have to be keyto to get into keytosis. You

2274
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 1: can eat carbohydrates and just fast, or you can eat

2275
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 1: carbohydrates and just do a calorie restricted diet on some days.

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01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? So, but it is valuable I

2277
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:31,799
Speaker 1: think for humans to go into that state of caloric

2278
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,600
Speaker 1: deficiency one way or another. The key to diet just

2279
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 1: makes it long term for people because they don't eat carps.

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01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 1: I think there are downsides to that as well, um

2281
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 1: and we can talk about those if you want, uh,

2282
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:46,799
Speaker 1: do you believe? Do you ever use the term fad diet?

2283
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,720
Speaker 1: I mean, not for a carnivore diet. I've heard the term,

2284
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 1: but I had a friend one time that was on

2285
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 1: a diet where you were on a diet six days

2286
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 1: a week and then you had a cheap day, right.

2287
01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 1: And I'm member when every dude that lived in certain

2288
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:07,599
Speaker 1: towns where I hang out, like for instance, remember when

2289
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: like every dude in Miles City was on the Atkins diet.

2290
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 1: But they're not now, Okay, you're about like the Keto diet.

2291
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: And I'm assuming that soon people will not beyond the

2292
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 1: keyto diet just because the ebb and flow of diets.

2293
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 1: Like where does the carnivore diet fit into this? Like

2294
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 1: will it have it? Does it have a life expectancy?

2295
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 1: I hope not? And I hope that thinking outside of

2296
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 1: the box a little bit and not making it dogmatic

2297
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 1: will will give it that that that absence or will

2298
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 1: exempt it from a life expectancy. It's more of a lifestyle,

2299
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 1: and I hope I've done a decent job of helping

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01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 1: people understand that. It's it's just the same asking the question,

2301
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 1: what do our ancestors do, and how do we to

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Speaker 1: thrive to lifestyle. It's not a this diet or that diet.

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01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 1: It's like, what are the foods that nourish us? What

2304
01:46:57,960 --> 01:46:59,640
Speaker 1: are the least toxic plants? How do we feel as

2305
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:01,680
Speaker 1: good as we and as humans? That's my idea. What

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01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: the carnin word? I You gotta call it something, right.

2307
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 1: I wish, you know, you could call it the carnin

2308
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 1: ward lifestyle, but people wouldn't understand what it was. But

2309
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: that's the way I think about it. It's just asking

2310
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 1: questions as a physician, as an outdoorsman, as somebody who

2311
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: likes to go run in the mountains and hunt. How

2312
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 1: do I get to do these things as well as

2313
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 1: I can? How do I help my patients and my clients?

2314
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 1: And what our ancestors do? Those are the questions that

2315
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 1: are most interesting to me. So I don't want it

2316
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 1: to have that and I certainly didn't make it up.

2317
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:26,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I think our answers have been eating this

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01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 1: way for a long time, and there's plenty of tribes.

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01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:30,920
Speaker 1: There's an Amazonian tribe called the Kayoe Menno who eat

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01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:32,759
Speaker 1: a lot of this way. They eat animal meeting organs

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01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 1: and fruit when it's seasonal. Indigenous people don't eat vegetables

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01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:40,679
Speaker 1: like we think they do. They kind of get that stems, roots, seeds,

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01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: and leaves, especially the stems, leaves and seeds, we're not

2324
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:47,640
Speaker 1: really good human food. They're not very calorically dense. A

2325
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 1: lot of the time, I got a lot of toxins.

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01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 1: So that's the idea there. So it's not intended to

2327
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 1: be a fad diet. And I've never been a super

2328
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 1: fan of the cheat day idea either, because it doesn't

2329
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 1: work human I saw the cheat day get abused. Yeah. Yeah,

2330
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 1: because look, I mean a lot of the a lot

2331
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 1: of people who are finding benefits with the carnivore cheesecake factory, right,

2332
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 1: they're finding benefits from an autoimmune perspective. And that's what's

2333
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 1: so interesting to me about it. A lot of the

2334
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:15,879
Speaker 1: diseases we see in Western society or today are autoimmune lupus,

2335
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: show grins um, you know, autoimmune thyroid itis, all this

2336
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I mean, X and my like I had,

2337
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:24,720
Speaker 1: these are autoimmune diseases. Our immune system is overactivated. There's

2338
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:26,680
Speaker 1: something going on here, and the immune system has a

2339
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 1: longer memory than seven days. We know this with things

2340
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 1: like celiact disease or gluten intolerance. So if you really

2341
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 1: want your immune system to calm down, you gotta keep

2342
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 1: you gotta prevent, you know, exposing it to foods that

2343
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 1: are going to trigger it every seven days. A lot

2344
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 1: of people think about diets and food just from a

2345
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 1: weight loss perspective, and that's why I think a carnival

2346
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 1: diet is different. We're thinking about things in terms of

2347
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 1: human health and how we can help people live in

2348
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:51,519
Speaker 1: the most quality lives. Weight loss is secondary, but Atkins

2349
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,840
Speaker 1: was all about weight loss. All these diets are about

2350
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:55,800
Speaker 1: weight loss, weight loss and how you look as a human.

2351
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm more interested in how Yeah, that's a good point, man,

2352
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. It was like it wasn't like

2353
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 1: optimal performance. It was aesthetic, right, aesthetic. I'm more interested

2354
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 1: in how you feel, how you how you how your

2355
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:10,720
Speaker 1: mood is, how well you think, how poised you are,

2356
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,320
Speaker 1: how emotionally calm you are with your kids and your

2357
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: wife or your husband or your partner. You know, like

2358
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:17,760
Speaker 1: quality of life. And I think that if you do

2359
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 1: that you'll look good too. That's like a bonus. But

2360
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sacrifice nutrition and optimal human health

2361
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 1: at the expense of somebody looking good. M hmm. Yeah.

2362
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:29,759
Speaker 1: And weight Watch is probably the most the most famous

2363
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,560
Speaker 1: diet ever and it's right in its name, right, and

2364
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:35,679
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it's focused on. It's focused on aesthetics

2365
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:37,880
Speaker 1: and weight loss. That cheat Day diet was that way

2366
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 1: too write with no attention to human health. I don't

2367
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 1: know what it was called the cheat day. I ain't

2368
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 1: a lot of them have that. Tim Ferris had a

2369
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 1: cheat day, I know when he talked about his Way eight.

2370
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 1: But Paleo sounds pretty similar to this, right, I mean

2371
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,680
Speaker 1: they're always talking about eating with the ancestors eight, right,

2372
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:00,839
Speaker 1: is there a big difference? There is a big difference.

2373
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 1: It asks the same questions. It just answers the question differently.

2374
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 1: It's saying, what are our ancestors eat? And actually, you

2375
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 1: know what's funny is I had I'm good friends with

2376
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 1: Rob Wolf who wrote the Paleo Solution, and Lauren Cordaine

2377
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 1: who wrote the Paleo Diet. I've had them both of

2378
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 1: my podcast, and I think as we start to think

2379
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: about this more, I love that question, how to our

2380
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 1: ancestors eat? I just have a different answer and My

2381
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 1: answer says, leafy greens and seeds hate you and don't

2382
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 1: want to get eaten. Kale doesn't love you back, you know,

2383
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 1: and a paleo diet. They're like, eat your leafy greens,

2384
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:30,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, leavy greens, spinach and kale, hey you,

2385
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 1: they don't want to get eaten. Don't eat those foods.

2386
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 1: So as much as you could call it the cardinal diet,

2387
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:37,680
Speaker 1: you could also call me the anti broccoli crusader. Like

2388
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 1: that's what's different about it, you know. It's like I

2389
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 1: just wanted people to understand we draw the ideas a

2390
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 1: little different. We we ask the same questions. They're valuable questions,

2391
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:47,600
Speaker 1: I think, but we just answer them differently based on

2392
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:51,000
Speaker 1: anthropology and ethnography and biomedical science, and say, why are

2393
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 1: we eating kale in the first place? Let make any sense.

2394
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 1: It is interesting, man, when you go into a garden

2395
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 1: and you're like, uh, you know you grow tomatoes. You're like, yeah,

2396
01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:59,920
Speaker 1: I asked the member of the night shade family. Dude,

2397
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:01,640
Speaker 1: that family is full of ship that will kill you.

2398
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely if you eat this one. It's a

2399
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 1: certain way. But you know, you look at the animal kingdom.

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01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean you can point to that puffer fish liver,

2401
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:11,840
Speaker 1: but generally, like my kids like, is that bird edible?

2402
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, man, all birds are edible. They're just edible.

2403
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 1: They're like they might not. I'm not telling you they're

2404
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 1: going to taste good, but they're edible, and they'll be like,

2405
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 1: is that animal edible? Yes, yes, that's exactly what we

2406
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:26,520
Speaker 1: talked about. You know, there are a few rare exceptions

2407
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 1: that frog in the Amazon, the ones, the ones we

2408
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:35,839
Speaker 1: know about, and the power fish. But of animals readible,

2409
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 1: you can't say that about plants, right, You just can't.

2410
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 1: And all the unique new like any vertebrate the lake,

2411
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:45,720
Speaker 1: like can I eat that? You can eat that? You

2412
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 1: like it? You can eat it. And yet if you

2413
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 1: and I walk into the woods and we just start

2414
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 1: eating swaths of plants, we're gonna be We're gonna be

2415
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,439
Speaker 1: pooping our pants before we get very fair. We get

2416
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:57,680
Speaker 1: excited about the ones that don't mess you up. They're like,

2417
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean I could eat this the plant, it's like

2418
01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 1: a very small proportion that will. And the ones you

2419
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 1: point out, the ones you be like, no, ship, you

2420
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 1: can eat it. Yeah, it's not gonna be good for

2421
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 1: you which mushroom is not going to kill you? Yeah? Yeah,

2422
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 1: you mean this one won't kill me? Sweet man. You see,

2423
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 1: there's such a good point, right Anything that's like still

2424
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 1: and growing on the ground, you have to be worried

2425
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:21,600
Speaker 1: about it. You have to have almost a doctorate to

2426
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 1: know if you can eat it or not yet. But

2427
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 1: if it runs or flies, good to go? Yeah, like berries, kids, like,

2428
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 1: can we eat this one? Man? I don't know they're not.

2429
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're not, but that one I

2430
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 1: know is actually safe. That stands out as safe. And

2431
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 1: that's that's that? Isn't that so interesting? It just makes

2432
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 1: so much sense right now. It's a funny point, man,

2433
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 1: the more you think about it. With the plant toxins,

2434
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:46,200
Speaker 1: can you touch on safety? I read that word or

2435
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:49,880
Speaker 1: sat satiety. I think there's two ways to pronounce it.

2436
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 1: Making that word was in the book a lot talking

2437
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 1: about how our current diet basically you just never get full.

2438
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, this is super interesting in it all

2439
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 1: I say satiety like like comes from insatiable. So there

2440
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 1: are a couple of reasons that our current diet is

2441
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:14,520
Speaker 1: not satiating. But I've had a lot of friends anecdotally

2442
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 1: tell me they try plant based diets and they're like,

2443
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm always freaking hungry, and then they try an animal

2444
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:20,640
Speaker 1: base and they're like, Wow, I felt full for the

2445
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 1: first time in so long, And I'm thinking, yeah, right.

2446
01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 1: So society is complex, it's complex physiology and the human brain.

2447
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 1: But you know, just going back to what we were

2448
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 1: talking about with linteleic acid, there's really good evidence that

2449
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:34,640
Speaker 1: linneleic acid makes us hungry. There's molecular mechanisms in the

2450
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 1: brain by which linoleic acid triggers hunger and saturated fat,

2451
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 1: which is found in animals, triggers satiety. And we don't

2452
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:43,720
Speaker 1: have to get into why that works, but in the hypothalamus,

2453
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 1: which is part of the satiety center in the brain,

2454
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:49,519
Speaker 1: these two fatty acids affect our selves and our mitochondria differently.

2455
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:51,720
Speaker 1: So that's the first thing is that vegetable oils make

2456
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 1: you hungry. They're sabotaging your sotiety. We talked a little

2457
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 1: bit about sugar. Processed foods absolutely make you hungry, and

2458
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:02,200
Speaker 1: I think there's nutrient density the sensing in the human body.

2459
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:04,720
Speaker 1: If you are not getting the nutrients found in meat

2460
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 1: and liver, all those magical nutrients quote unquote that I

2461
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:10,800
Speaker 1: talked about earlier Colleene Carnatiene Carnescene. You are not going

2462
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 1: to be satiated because your body is like I am

2463
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:16,519
Speaker 1: deficient in something and it knows it. You can't tell.

2464
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 1: You don't have like your computer chip, like a diagnostic

2465
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 1: in your car, Like I'm deficient to ride with lave

2466
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:23,360
Speaker 1: and I should go eat some liver. But you get

2467
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:25,759
Speaker 1: cravings and they go out of whack when you're pregnant,

2468
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:28,000
Speaker 1: and it big winds up being the thing everybody talks

2469
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 1: about exactly, and you only can crave things you've had.

2470
01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 1: So people say, well, why don't I crave liver? What

2471
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:34,560
Speaker 1: when was the last time you eat liver? Right? Like

2472
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 1: you all you know is that you crave something. And

2473
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:42,160
Speaker 1: that's so society is huge, And I think that I've

2474
01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 1: never liked weight loss strategies that put people in a

2475
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 1: mental prison. You're never going to be able to calorie

2476
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 1: restrict for your whole life. Calorie restricting and starving yourself

2477
01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 1: is a fantastic way to lose weight. It's also a

2478
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:58,240
Speaker 1: fantastic way to have your life suck really bad, and like,

2479
01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:00,280
Speaker 1: why are you living life if it's so miser bole

2480
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 1: and your body will find a way. You will never

2481
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 1: stay in calorie prison your whole life unless you are

2482
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 1: super motivated, and what's the point of living in that way?

2483
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:10,480
Speaker 1: So that's why dietary constructions like this, they're fascinating to

2484
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 1: me that actually emphasize nutrient density and ancestrally consistent diet

2485
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:18,640
Speaker 1: and they create sutiety without making us feel like we

2486
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 1: are depriving ourselves. And you don't even have to have

2487
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:25,240
Speaker 1: caloric deficit. So it's a huge topic and I think

2488
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 1: that you can starve yourself, but it's not going to

2489
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,320
Speaker 1: work long term. I so appreciate that, just because I

2490
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: think the mindset of focusing on the outward appearance of

2491
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:40,200
Speaker 1: someone's body and being calorie restricted, it's just led to

2492
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 1: so much, um, I don't know, so much pain, to

2493
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:47,240
Speaker 1: say the least, for both men and women. But traditionally

2494
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:48,800
Speaker 1: we think about women. You know, I have a younger

2495
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 1: sister and when she was growing up, you know, I

2496
01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:53,440
Speaker 1: I see it because I have a younger sister, Like,

2497
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:56,560
Speaker 1: there's so much body image. I know men experience it too,

2498
01:55:56,640 --> 01:56:01,600
Speaker 1: but for women it's especially destructive. You know, it's really hard,

2499
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:03,720
Speaker 1: and it's the same kind of idea. And in a

2500
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 1: while we're on the topic. You know, a lot of

2501
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:08,040
Speaker 1: women don't think about red meat and organs as food

2502
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:10,520
Speaker 1: because they're afraid of making them fat. But I really

2503
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 1: believe strongly that this is a game changer for women

2504
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 1: as well, because it's like, this is the food your

2505
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:16,960
Speaker 1: body is craving. And I talk about this in a

2506
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 1: study in the book. We can look at things like

2507
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 1: evoked response potentials in the brain. This is one of

2508
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 1: the coolest parts of the book. And you can show

2509
01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:29,080
Speaker 1: vegetarians and vegans and omnivores pictures of meat, and you

2510
01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 1: can look at with an e G and electro and cephalogram,

2511
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 1: we can look at we can look at the way

2512
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:35,640
Speaker 1: different parts of the brain fire, and you can look

2513
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:37,800
Speaker 1: at deeper regions of the brain like the brain stem

2514
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 1: kind of these lizard brain parts or you know, dyean

2515
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:44,480
Speaker 1: cephalon parts like more ancestral or more i should say,

2516
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:46,920
Speaker 1: more ancient parts of the brain. And you can look

2517
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 1: at the neo cortex, like the more recent parts of

2518
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 1: the brain. And when you show a vegetarian or a

2519
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 1: vegan a picture of meat, they get this sort of

2520
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:59,120
Speaker 1: conscious aversion. But the subconscious part of their brain still goes,

2521
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:04,880
Speaker 1: he's giving me. That's so you're saying, like evolutionary, evolutionarily,

2522
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 1: over time we have we are encoded to recognize something

2523
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 1: as nutrient giving and good for our body. But other

2524
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:17,440
Speaker 1: parts of the brain which are like we've programmed during

2525
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:20,720
Speaker 1: this lifetime based upon messaging and learning to be like, no,

2526
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:24,800
Speaker 1: that's bad. But so we're just not in That's why

2527
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:29,080
Speaker 1: they make plant food look like sausage and bacon. Yeah,

2528
01:57:29,320 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 1: you don't, you know, makes you think of is that? Yeah? Yeah?

2529
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:37,120
Speaker 1: Why you take ship and try to get it to

2530
01:57:37,160 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 1: look like that? Like why why is it not its

2531
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:44,080
Speaker 1: own thing? Like why why did veggie burgers or what

2532
01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:46,680
Speaker 1: they call him soybers? Why did they steal the burgers groove?

2533
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:49,720
Speaker 1: But there's a there's an our part of this too.

2534
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:52,960
Speaker 1: It was like they find that, um, I don't know

2535
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 1: how they measure, but there's a similar thing. Humans like

2536
01:57:55,840 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 1: overlooks and humans like shorelines, and it'd be like the rich,

2537
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, like when you look at human just like

2538
01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 1: the African diaspora. And when when humans started colonizing the world,

2539
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:12,440
Speaker 1: it was you know, coastal routes, coastal routes and river routes,

2540
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 1: and so it seems that there's this sort of association

2541
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 1: with shorelines, land meats, water like the beach right triggers

2542
01:58:19,640 --> 01:58:21,760
Speaker 1: a thing where you're like, that's a good spot. And

2543
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 1: then also this idea that humans like and overlook. They

2544
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 1: like to be like, ha, I can see everything around me,

2545
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 1: and like it pleases some deep down thing in you

2546
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 1: to just see what's up. Not gonna be surprised. I

2547
01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:38,440
Speaker 1: know what's going on down there. People going in the

2548
01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:41,800
Speaker 1: restaurant and wanting the corner seat, and too, you know,

2549
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,160
Speaker 1: their back is to both walls, so they can see

2550
01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:47,360
Speaker 1: periphectly everything around them. They don't have that feeling's gonna

2551
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:51,160
Speaker 1: head behind me. You know. Yeah's some of my wife's say,

2552
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:54,720
Speaker 1: because someone in Baja told me that. And you know

2553
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 1: it's like the old thing that you when you open

2554
01:58:56,880 --> 01:59:00,240
Speaker 1: a door and little woman going first, and someone house

2555
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:02,960
Speaker 1: tell me that, Uh, you know, he's saying that's cultural.

2556
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like it's cultural, but it's regional. And

2557
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:09,680
Speaker 1: he was saying here it would be that you'd go

2558
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:13,280
Speaker 1: in first to make sure everything's cool. You don't open

2559
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:14,920
Speaker 1: the door and be like you going first. I'm not

2560
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 1: going in there. It's like you go in and it

2561
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:20,520
Speaker 1: looks good. Things are cool. Everybody, your family comes in there,

2562
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:23,520
Speaker 1: there's stand there and send them all in and then

2563
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:27,560
Speaker 1: be like, good luck, I'll be through last the first.

2564
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 1: Do you guys know what percentage of vegetarians and vegans

2565
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:35,920
Speaker 1: eat meat when they get drunk. It's astronomical. I think

2566
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:41,080
Speaker 1: it's thirty to forty plus percent. I mean, like cortex,

2567
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:44,720
Speaker 1: it starts getting you down to your reptilian brain. And

2568
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:48,160
Speaker 1: that's not an uncontrovertible argument. That means for humans, you know,

2569
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:50,840
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe it's even more, but it's a

2570
01:59:50,920 --> 01:59:53,320
Speaker 1: massive amount. You asked me earlier about truth. Well there's

2571
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 1: your truth, man. When you say that both like corner

2572
01:59:57,960 --> 02:00:01,520
Speaker 1: board dieters and vegans, uh, when they get drunk, they

2573
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:07,240
Speaker 1: all eat pizza and they want their dough. It's possible.

2574
02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:09,920
Speaker 1: It's possible, And you know, I think you could you

2575
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:13,320
Speaker 1: could say that, um, but I wonder I don't think

2576
02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:15,880
Speaker 1: you could draw the inference then that that's necessarily good

2577
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:18,200
Speaker 1: for humans, just that that's like a uniquely addictive false

2578
02:00:18,240 --> 02:00:20,560
Speaker 1: food for humans, because nobody's gonna say, like, well, pizza

2579
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:23,240
Speaker 1: is clearly a vitamin, like that doesn't work that way.

2580
02:00:23,240 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that we've figured out that's a

2581
02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:28,080
Speaker 1: whole separate discussion about the way that we've hijacked human satiety.

2582
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:30,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. And then we've the fact that we've

2583
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:34,000
Speaker 1: made these things super addictive, but evolutionarily, there's no such

2584
02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:36,360
Speaker 1: thing as pizza. There's the thing I wanted to mention earlier,

2585
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:40,040
Speaker 1: um that that my wife does that our kids that

2586
02:00:40,160 --> 02:00:44,480
Speaker 1: I think is helpful and what I came to mind

2587
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:48,200
Speaker 1: when we were talking about earlier, like that to try

2588
02:00:48,240 --> 02:00:51,360
Speaker 1: to get yourself into a position where you feel really good,

2589
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:54,560
Speaker 1: where you have an awareness of your body, and to

2590
02:00:54,720 --> 02:00:56,640
Speaker 1: strip things away to a point where like, okay, like

2591
02:00:56,720 --> 02:00:59,000
Speaker 1: I feel optimal right now. Like let's say you go

2592
02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:02,280
Speaker 1: on you know, uh hunt for a week and you're

2593
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:05,520
Speaker 1: not at home snacking on normal garbage, and you're really

2594
02:01:05,640 --> 02:01:08,919
Speaker 1: pouring it to it physically every day, your meal structure

2595
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:12,040
Speaker 1: changes and at the end of your like, god, like,

2596
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:14,840
Speaker 1: I never feel this good. And then you just like

2597
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 1: lazily go back into all this ship that makes you

2598
02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:18,480
Speaker 1: not feel good, but you hit a point where you're like,

2599
02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:22,600
Speaker 1: this is what I would like to feel, like wide awake,

2600
02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:26,800
Speaker 1: a lot of energy, sleep, very soundly at night, right,

2601
02:01:27,160 --> 02:01:28,520
Speaker 1: and you hit kind of like a thing that a

2602
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:31,320
Speaker 1: thing to strive to and just listen to your body

2603
02:01:31,720 --> 02:01:34,000
Speaker 1: when when when our kids are in a situation like

2604
02:01:34,160 --> 02:01:35,640
Speaker 1: let they go to a birthday party and all of

2605
02:01:35,640 --> 02:01:37,920
Speaker 1: a sudden, whatever reason, someone's hands them like a piece

2606
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:41,480
Speaker 1: of cake the size of a book. Right. Uh, She'll

2607
02:01:41,560 --> 02:01:45,320
Speaker 1: say she like introduced this idea, she said, like, go ahead,

2608
02:01:45,400 --> 02:01:48,360
Speaker 1: listen to your body, you know. And it's funny, man,

2609
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:52,440
Speaker 1: when you remind him of that, they will not eat

2610
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 1: as much because just making them be like, oh that's right,

2611
02:01:55,080 --> 02:01:56,720
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, you know what, my body's telling me,

2612
02:01:56,840 --> 02:02:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm done. But they need to be invited. They need

2613
02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:03,720
Speaker 1: to be invited and reminded to be like ask yourself

2614
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:05,760
Speaker 1: when you think you've had enough of that ship, and

2615
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:08,160
Speaker 1: hopefully and they're like, oh, yeah, you know what I do.

2616
02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:10,280
Speaker 1: I think I have had enough of that ship, you know,

2617
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:14,760
Speaker 1: and they're more likely to walk away and hopefully, you know,

2618
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:18,320
Speaker 1: parents can help their kids or you know, realize after

2619
02:02:18,360 --> 02:02:20,760
Speaker 1: they binge on Halloween candy or the cake, when the

2620
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:22,760
Speaker 1: kids are like I don't feel good, I feel anxious,

2621
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:24,640
Speaker 1: or I'm just you know, like do you think this

2622
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:27,720
Speaker 1: is related to the food you ate. Listen to your body.

2623
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:29,080
Speaker 1: I love it. I think that's what we need to

2624
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:31,200
Speaker 1: teach our kids. But you bring up this great point

2625
02:02:31,200 --> 02:02:33,520
Speaker 1: that we talked on her earlier. It's just how many

2626
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:35,640
Speaker 1: of us have taken the time to get to the

2627
02:02:35,640 --> 02:02:37,840
Speaker 1: point where we know what that optimal feels like, and

2628
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 1: then you can see the deviance. It's signal versus noise. Yeah,

2629
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:42,440
Speaker 1: I used to have it, uh where I tell my

2630
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:44,800
Speaker 1: wife like, God, I'm like, it's just so depressed today.

2631
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:47,360
Speaker 1: And she goes, let's walk back a step. Let's walk

2632
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:50,800
Speaker 1: back step. Were you pretty drunk forty eight hours ago?

2633
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:54,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, my god, I was I forgot

2634
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:57,080
Speaker 1: about that. She goes, yeah, yeah, maybe maybe something. They're

2635
02:02:57,280 --> 02:03:01,840
Speaker 1: funny that we've had this conversation thirty times. YEA, totally true.

2636
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:08,800
Speaker 1: All right. So Paul Saladino m D how long you've

2637
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:11,280
Speaker 1: been a doctor for all a long a long time,

2638
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:13,680
Speaker 1: Like you went out of college and no, I, um,

2639
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:16,080
Speaker 1: I guess it depends when you described me as a doctor.

2640
02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:20,600
Speaker 1: But I finished residency. I've got a medical school six

2641
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:23,360
Speaker 1: years ago. So yeah, I'm a little bit. I'm a

2642
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:26,320
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh. Your non tread. I'm little bit. Yeah,

2643
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit older than most docs who have

2644
02:03:28,360 --> 02:03:30,560
Speaker 1: been out that long because I took six years off

2645
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:32,880
Speaker 1: after college and just played and explored into my own return.

2646
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah do you did you immediately And I wanted to

2647
02:03:35,400 --> 02:03:37,240
Speaker 1: ask this earlier, just never got to it, But did

2648
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:41,080
Speaker 1: you immediately get into diet type stuff and or what

2649
02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 1: was your original medicine that you're going to work in? Yeah? Yeah,

2650
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:47,800
Speaker 1: I've always been interested in diet before. The reason I

2651
02:03:47,880 --> 02:03:49,440
Speaker 1: said a long time was because I before I went

2652
02:03:49,480 --> 02:03:52,240
Speaker 1: to medical school, I was a physician assistant and I

2653
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:54,720
Speaker 1: worked in cardiology, so I wasn't a doctor technically, but

2654
02:03:54,760 --> 02:03:56,520
Speaker 1: I was working in medicine and you know, as a

2655
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:58,040
Speaker 1: p A. And then I went back to medical school.

2656
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:00,400
Speaker 1: And the whole reason I went back to medical school

2657
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:04,200
Speaker 1: was because I got fascinated by these connections between diet

2658
02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:05,720
Speaker 1: and health. I just was like, you know, I think

2659
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:08,280
Speaker 1: this is a big lever. Of course, stress and family

2660
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:11,080
Speaker 1: and community and environmental talkins, but diet is the lever

2661
02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:13,120
Speaker 1: that I wanted to get interested in. So I always

2662
02:04:13,240 --> 02:04:15,800
Speaker 1: knew that in my work I was gonna be kind

2663
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:17,880
Speaker 1: of drilling down these ideas. I obviously haven't been thinking

2664
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:20,800
Speaker 1: about a carnivore approach for you know, since I was

2665
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:22,280
Speaker 1: a p A. But that was the reason I went

2666
02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:23,880
Speaker 1: back to medical school was to think, like, how is

2667
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:27,360
Speaker 1: this connected? The carnival Code is not your first book.

2668
02:04:27,560 --> 02:04:29,760
Speaker 1: It's my first book. It is your first book. So

2669
02:04:29,960 --> 02:04:33,960
Speaker 1: you're saying, so you're you're working on a cookbook. Okay,

2670
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:36,440
Speaker 1: but that's not gonna happen yet. That's next year. Got you?

2671
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:41,560
Speaker 1: So the Carnivore Code, Paul Saladino, it's out now, soon

2672
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:45,040
Speaker 1: out now? And then how do people go find you online?

2673
02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:47,440
Speaker 1: The best place to find me is all of my

2674
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:50,200
Speaker 1: stuff on my podcast is at Heart and Soil Supplements

2675
02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:51,960
Speaker 1: dot com. And what about when you're hanging out on

2676
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:54,320
Speaker 1: so do you do stuff on social media? At carnivore

2677
02:04:54,520 --> 02:05:01,160
Speaker 1: M d oh, that's good, like that sel that's real

2678
02:05:01,200 --> 02:05:04,040
Speaker 1: good at carnivore MD. Carnivore M d dude, that's a

2679
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:07,600
Speaker 1: great idea, man. Animal based medicine. You know people think

2680
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:10,760
Speaker 1: about plant based. We're doing animal based medicine. That's a

2681
02:05:10,880 --> 02:05:16,960
Speaker 1: great handle. Thanks gratulation. Doctor was taken. So I got

2682
02:05:17,080 --> 02:05:20,120
Speaker 1: meat doctor. Girls are like, can I call you doctor meat?

2683
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:23,040
Speaker 1: So I was like, no, I don't think that's a

2684
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:25,960
Speaker 1: good one. Doctor Meat was the other choice between Dr

2685
02:05:26,040 --> 02:05:33,240
Speaker 1: Meat dot com. Alright, so check out the book. I

2686
02:05:33,320 --> 02:05:36,200
Speaker 1: mean we only just touched on like a smidge what's

2687
02:05:36,200 --> 02:05:38,000
Speaker 1: in the book. So check out the book The Carnivore

2688
02:05:38,120 --> 02:05:46,000
Speaker 1: Code Paul Saladino, Dr Paul, and it's out. Now. You

2689
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:48,400
Speaker 1: look real good in your author photo. I mean that's

2690
02:05:48,440 --> 02:05:50,040
Speaker 1: my Do you look at him? Dad? You look like

2691
02:05:50,120 --> 02:05:53,080
Speaker 1: a mean lawyer. You look like a mean lawyer that's

2692
02:05:53,080 --> 02:05:57,040
Speaker 1: going to get you out of jail. Driving a car

2693
02:05:57,200 --> 02:05:59,680
Speaker 1: real fast and pull out a nine mill and oh yeah?

2694
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:01,360
Speaker 1: Are you looks like a dude from the Fast and

2695
02:06:01,480 --> 02:06:03,720
Speaker 1: Furious out there? Man, that's a better way to I

2696
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:05,680
Speaker 1: wish my editor told me that. Man, you're too serious

2697
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:08,080
Speaker 1: in this photo. Oh no, you just look like, Yeah,

2698
02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:11,040
Speaker 1: you look like you're gonna think being an espionage thriller.

2699
02:06:11,160 --> 02:06:12,640
Speaker 1: Maybe I was trying to be a little James Bond.

2700
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:14,600
Speaker 1: Here we're up again, some serious stuff here, you know

2701
02:06:14,680 --> 02:06:17,400
Speaker 1: you guys, Yeah, do not joke. We're talking about human Hell,

2702
02:06:17,400 --> 02:06:22,960
Speaker 1: we're talking yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm putting a suit on. Man.

2703
02:06:23,080 --> 02:06:26,040
Speaker 1: I smile a lot more than that picture makes me. Actually,

2704
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:29,720
Speaker 1: I know that I think the putting the picture demands

2705
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:32,360
Speaker 1: some respect. Man. All right, thank you very much for

2706
02:06:32,440 --> 02:06:34,920
Speaker 1: coming on my pleasure. It's pleasure and privilege. I'm gonna

2707
02:06:34,920 --> 02:06:37,480
Speaker 1: go home and just drink animal fat, not fry anything,

2708
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:40,040
Speaker 1: drink it cold. Well, you could just eat your animal fat,

2709
02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:44,920
Speaker 1: your animal I'm gonna experiment this was this is it

2710
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:49,680
Speaker 1: gonna change what's for dinner tonight? M M. I made

2711
02:06:49,720 --> 02:06:54,960
Speaker 1: the mistake of not uh no, no, because no, because

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Speaker 1: we had fish cakes last night, and we had so

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02:06:57,400 --> 02:06:59,600
Speaker 1: many suckers that we now have a giant bowl of

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02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:01,440
Speaker 1: fish cake. So we're having exactly what we had last

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Speaker 1: night tonight. I don't want to waste I'd rather be

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02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:10,680
Speaker 1: unhealthy then waste suckers. Hear that. But after the next night,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell everybody kids making misteake tonight. Raw you

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02:07:18,640 --> 02:07:21,520
Speaker 1: guys get a buzz buzz. Oh yeah, I'm flying high man,

2719
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:27,520
Speaker 1: all hopped up on liver. I can't tell the creeper

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Speaker 1: that you gave me. Yeah he threw u um, he

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02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:36,240
Speaker 1: threw some of that horse tranquilizer in the yond. All right,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot, man, Thanks Paul, Thanks guys. One