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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. It

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Speaker 1: is time for another edition of Female First, which means

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Speaker 1: we are once again joined by our friend and co

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Speaker 1: worker Eves. Hello, Eves. We decided last time is this?

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Speaker 1: I think this is the twentieth officially, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: forgot so perhaps well, I think, as far as we're

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Speaker 1: all concerned, honestly, twenty is a curse number after has happened. Right,

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Speaker 1: let's let's a quarter of something. Okay, okay, a quarter

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Speaker 1: of something, but we don't know what. Technically, people celebrate

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Speaker 1: twenty five anniversary. Yeah, yeah, that's a big deal. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: for like life prices, people do those things, right, the

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Speaker 1: negative of everything? Yeah, you immediately went in the negative direction.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, Fine, I'm fine, Everything's fine. I do have

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Speaker 1: a since we've been opening these with horror movie like

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Speaker 1: reviews are based, questions are harny horror movies that come

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Speaker 1: to mind that have planes involved. Oh, Final Destination is

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Speaker 1: the ultimate plane movie. That's so genuinely terrifying to me,

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Speaker 1: Like it is such a scary scene. Have you seen

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Speaker 1: the Final Destination series, Antha, Yeah, I've seen the first one.

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Speaker 1: I think I've made it past the first one. Well

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Speaker 1: that's all I need to see for this here conversation.

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Speaker 1: So for people who don't know, like, there are a

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Speaker 1: series of Final Destinations, and they're all based around these

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Speaker 1: kind of really the scariest, like most illogical, but like

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Speaker 1: And there's a really kind of intense plane crash scene

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Speaker 1: in the first movie, and that's that's kind of kicked

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Speaker 1: premonitions in the movie and stuff, But that is the

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Speaker 1: truly scared me. Like I haven't watched that movie in

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Speaker 1: I hope this never happens to me. Well, it sticks

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Speaker 1: makes I'm a very closing person. It's so it's like

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Speaker 1: a Rube Goldberg machine, like within one like incident, it's

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Speaker 1: to tip something else off. Like that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: the whole entire movie is structured off of me. Like

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Speaker 1: dies in the shower, which is the minor I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: something like a string. Uh yeah, I can't remember exactly

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Speaker 1: what it was like cord, So that that's amazed. My

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Speaker 1: guess not probably what's like irrational but also possible. So

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Speaker 1: like when you live alone. That's the feels like I

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Speaker 1: more more fire, Yeah, I think the extreme of it

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Speaker 1: right right, Aye, but like going gone far? What about you? Annie?

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Speaker 1: Do you have any Are there any movies that come on?

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Speaker 1: Actually I have to. One of them is in a

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Speaker 1: And then one of my favorite horror movies is there Ring,

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Speaker 1: So who did you bring for us Today's Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: so I'm not flying. I'm not going to pilot anything

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Speaker 1: anytime soon. So yeah, good on her all that time.

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Speaker 1: She didn't have her site, so returning to China to

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Speaker 1: teach aviation. In the nineteen six article in the magazine

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Speaker 1: Popular Aviation, that's what it was called in I think

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Speaker 1: it's called something different now. But she said, I don't

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Speaker 1: see any reason why Chinese girls shouldn't be just as

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Speaker 1: good pilots as girls anywhere. They are a long way

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Speaker 1: removed from the tradition bound Chinese women of a generation ago.

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Speaker 1: They drive cars, so why not airplanes? And China, with

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Speaker 1: its vast area and lack of other transportation, is the

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Speaker 1: ideal field for air development. So yeah, she had a

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Speaker 1: lot of faith in flying, and throughout the whole time

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Speaker 1: wanted to go back to China and help teach people

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Speaker 1: to learn how to fly there. And in nineteen thirties seven,

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Speaker 1: Amelia Earhart disappeared. Also that same year, Japan invaded China.

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Speaker 1: It was the time of the Second Sino Japanese War,

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Speaker 1: and change decided to go back and open a flight

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Speaker 1: school to teach volunteers to fly, and she hoped to

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Speaker 1: make a solo trans Pacific to get there, and Chinese

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00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: American communities once again supported her. They contributed money to

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Speaker 1: get her a plane to travel to China, but a

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00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: pilot crash that plane, unfortunately, and that pilot did end

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Speaker 1: up dying after being hospitalized for a little bit. That

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Speaker 1: plane that she planned on flying to China in So

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00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: that was really, you know, a really tragic of it

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Speaker 1: in her life. But her father, who was sick, heard

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Speaker 1: about the incident and urged her to quit flying and

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Speaker 1: take care of her mother. As concerned parents, do you

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Speaker 1: know having a daughter who is flying and then seeing

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Speaker 1: something like this happened. I can imagine that something that

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Speaker 1: if you're already a little bit on the fence kind

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Speaker 1: of like okay, like I think we're good now. But yeah.

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Speaker 1: During World War Two she wanted to be an instructor,

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Speaker 1: but her application for an instructor's writing was turned down

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Speaker 1: three times, and so she did face a lot of obstacles. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, some obstacles along the way, so of course,

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Speaker 1: but in nineteen forty two she did end up stopping

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Speaker 1: flying and ran a shop until her retirement in nineteen seventy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so she seems like she had, you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of support over the years that she was flying and

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Speaker 1: a lot of recognition during her time. She did live

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Speaker 1: a long life, but a lot of her accolades did

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Speaker 1: come during her lifetime. So she lived in Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: and Thousand Oaks in the later years of her life,

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Speaker 1: and in nineteen eighty nine, after her husband died, she

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00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: went to China and visited the town where she was born.

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Speaker 1: The trip did Gardner media attention, so you could see

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Speaker 1: some of those clips, and there were banquets and ceremonies

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00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: celebrating her and recognizing her as this, you know, champion

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00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: of aviation coming back to her hometown and having made

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Speaker 1: accomplishments while she was in the United States. And there

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Speaker 1: was a report in the l A Times in nineteen three,

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Speaker 1: when she was ninety years old about her joining the

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Speaker 1: celebrations of the seventi fifth anniversary of the ratification of

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Speaker 1: the nineteenth Amendment. And in the article she's quoted as saying,

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Speaker 1: they told me in China that women should be in

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Speaker 1: the kitchen, not in the cockpit. I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: in the cockpit. Um So she was inducted into the

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Speaker 1: International Women in Aviation Pioneer Hall of Fame at the

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Speaker 1: Santa Monica Museum of Flying and the Chinese Consul General

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Speaker 1: of Los Angeles awarded her medal on behalf of the

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Speaker 1: Chinese government for her aviation accomplishments. And she ended up

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Speaker 1: dying in two thousand three at age ninety eight. And

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Speaker 1: there were other like I said I mentioned a little

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Speaker 1: bit earlier, I think, you know, fictional works that have

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00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: been done based on her. There have been art gallery exhibits,

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00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, photos of her and other things that recognized

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Speaker 1: her achievements in flying throughout her lifetime and kind of

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00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: commemorated her work in the field. And yeah, I think

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00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: she seems like she was a really daring an adventurous

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00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: person and it seems pretty delightful in the interviews of her,

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00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean flying, flying, flying. I do love

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Speaker 1: stories of people like this where it seems like she

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Speaker 1: was really passionate about things, and I love like she

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00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: was into music. It sounds like she was really good

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00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: at that, and that's just such a pivot to go

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00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: to flying and then to be so into that. Um,

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00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: I find that really really interesting. Yeah, yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: did you mention when she because I did see that

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Speaker 1: she was into music. What did she play an instrument?

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00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: Did she say she played? But there's a whole lot

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00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: of connection of like the math and the technicalities behind

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00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: both flying as well as music. So I think there

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00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: is a small correlation, but it is very dynamically different

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00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: and how its presented. Yeah, right, yeah, definitely, definitely. I

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Speaker 1: was jealous of my friends who could play the piano. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm so elegant. I could play one song that I

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00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: can't remember. It was some nursery rhyme like Mary had

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00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: a little lamp. I don't know. Yeah, I was like

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Speaker 1: the farthest I got. And I could play like draws

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Speaker 1: theme and Ukrainian bell caro. This is the three notes

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Speaker 1: I can do that. I could play the topics for

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00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: like a split second, but if you ask me to

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00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: do it again, I can't remember, like someone had taught me.

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00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: So I did it and then it just went out

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00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: of my head. I'm like, Okay, that's it. Yeah, That's

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Speaker 1: one of those things. Piano is. The dexterity is the

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Speaker 1: thing that I wish that I had, and I feel like,

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00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: even though I feel like I definitely don't naturally have

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00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: that kind of dexterity, that, um, it seems like something

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00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 1: that I can really benefit from learning the piano just

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00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: for that. No, but it is like, yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: it is very interesting that she pivoted, you know, even

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00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: though they did have some sort a correlation, you know,

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00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: it is a pivot to say like I came, you know,

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00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: she came a long way to to pursue music, and

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00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: I think acting on the thing that she realized she

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00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: was interested in and going full steam ahead in it

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00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: so quickly, I think is really cool because I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of the times there can be a lot

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00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: of hesitants around actually going after that thing. You're like, oh,

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00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: I like it, and I realized that there's a spark

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00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: of interest in it for me and that's been peaked.

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00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm here for music and I'm

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00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: going to stay in music. But yeah, I appreciate that too. Yeah,

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00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: very very inspiring. Anything else that you want to add

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00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: before we wrap up, Eves, No, I think that is all.

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Speaker 1: That is all. Well, where can the good listeners find you?

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Speaker 1: You can find me at Eve's Jeff Coo on Twitter

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Speaker 1: Eaves here on this very show twenty episodes. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do something probably hopefully we say cheesecake. Last time we

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Speaker 1: said cheesecake and champagne. Okay, okay, gonna be interesting. Thanks

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