1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Um, all right, this is the Iron Rap Coors Stereo Podcast. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: This is a monumental episode of the Iron Wrap Coors 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: Stereo podcast. Allen Iverson, Me and Alan Iverson Um talked 4 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: about it before you know what can I say the 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: first ever episode of the Iron Wrap Pors Stereo podcast. 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: I went over my wish list of people that I 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: wanted to interview. AI was one of the first people 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: I mentioned. I'm I'm the reporter, the sideline host with 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: the most for the Big Three tournament this summer. AI 10 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: is a part of it. Chauncey Billups, They're going at it. 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: The ship's going down. It's starting the live from the 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: Barclays in Brooklyn Professional three on three. I got to 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: talk to Ai about his career. I was bugging you. 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Hear me in the interview say, I'm bugging that. I 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: was right air talking to Allen Iverson interviewing him. I 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: was bugging the funk out the entire time. Um, But 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: for Fox Sports one in the Big Three, I got 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: to sit down with Ai. This is an Iron Wrap 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Ports Stereo podcast, monumental Mountain top moment. All Right, I'm 20 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: gonna be there all summer is at Barclays and then 21 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: two weeks later is in Charlotte, North Carolina. Then they 22 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: then they're going to Tulsa, Oklahoma, Kenyan Moren, Chauncey, Billups, Ai, 23 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: Dr j Ice Q. You know it's gonna it's gonna 24 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: be dope. They've been having some preseason games, Gary Payton, 25 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: It's fucking dope. It's dope. This the Iron Wrap Ports 26 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: stereo podcast me Allen Iverson one thing I want to 27 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: tell you right off the top thirty about a minute, 28 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: thirty seconds, ninety seconds of of the interview, I screwed 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: up my mic, So we're just gonna cut right into 30 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: what what what we picked up, So it's gonna seem 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: out of context. We just jumped right into it. It It 32 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: was my fault. I was freaking out. Okay, this happens 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: when uh, you're sitting there with somebody that means so much. 34 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: I was like stuttering and stammering at the beginning and 35 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: didn't turn my mic on. So we're just gonna jump 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: right into it. But like ninety seconds actually the first 37 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: ninety seconds of the interview, I started talking to Ai 38 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: about how much I couldn't stand Michael Jordan's and that's 39 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: the part that got caught out. He was like, you 40 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: couldn't stand in Jordan. I was like, listen, that motherfucker 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: was trying to take down everything that me and my 42 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: nicks were trying to accomplish. So he was tripping off that. 43 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: And then we jump into the interview. So it's me 44 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: Alan Iverson, It's the Big Three this summer. 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Okay, 73 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: go to Casper dot Come. How you root against Mike? 74 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: But it's a lot, It's it's man. It would be 75 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: amazed how many people root against them? You know what 76 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: I mean? Like and then a lot of times when 77 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: when when somebody wins as much as he has, a 78 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: lot of people just want to see somebody else, you 79 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, see somebody else winning. Because my 80 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: whole thing now like when when I when I look 81 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: at the in the playoffs, you know what I mean, 82 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: from the rep I have my hopes so that certain 83 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: people want it that haven't won it before. You know 84 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: what I mean. You want to see the guys that 85 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: especially when you when you've been through it already, you 86 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: go through those wars and then you know how tough 87 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: it is to to do it and accomplish it because 88 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, all those years I played, I only went 89 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: to the finals once. And you know, when you see 90 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: guys win multiple titles, as much as you love them 91 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: much as you fans of them, you want to see 92 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: the guy that had, you know, one one get one. 93 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: So that's how I'd be. I do my thing. Like 94 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: the whole thing this year was I was all in 95 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: with with um with Isaiah for all that he makes 96 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: you look like you're seven feet like, he's like like 97 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: a little dude compared to you. Yeah, I always called 98 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: him a midget. I always always messed with him. Um. 99 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: We was talking last summer and I was talking about, Um, 100 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: you know how we played against each other. It would 101 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: be so easy for me because I would just you 102 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: over top bowl, you know what I mean, even with 103 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: a hand up, I still wouldn't be able to see 104 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: his hand, you know what I mean. Um, But he 105 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: just man the talent that he has in the heart, 106 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you can't teach that, 107 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the heart that he got. 108 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: And then you know everything that he went through, you 109 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean, recipes to his sister. But um, 110 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,119 Speaker 1: everything that he went through and then to be able 111 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: to go out there. And but I understood, you know 112 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: what I mean, because I've been through things in my 113 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: life and when you basically even practice practice, even practice practice, 114 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: but you you're sitting here talking to me about the 115 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: when you're going through something, for those two hours, that's 116 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: what basketball does to you, you know what I mean. 117 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: And it's like you know, you you're around your teammates, 118 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: you're around the guys, and you know what I mean, 119 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: You you work out with him or whatever. Then after 120 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: it's all over, you're driving home, then you start thinking 121 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: about those things. But for those two hours, you know 122 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: what I mean, you find. And that's when I realized 123 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: it was time for me to retire because when my 124 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: my daughter was going through Cowards Kawasaki disease thing, I 125 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: found myself the second time I went to play for 126 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: the Sixes, like somebody would be shooting free throw or 127 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: something and I'll just be sitting yeah, and I'll just 128 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: be thinking about her, you know what I mean? Yeah, 129 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: Like and I never I never did that and I never, 130 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, And I owe too much to that organization, 131 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: too much to my fans, too much to my teammates 132 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: to not be focused like that. So that's when I 133 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: figured out, like it's time trying to get up. When 134 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: I was saying about Jordan's was it wasn't like I 135 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: didn't love him, respect him, Rocket Sneakers. But for me, 136 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: like you know, in this day and age, everything with 137 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, is you hating? Why you hating and 138 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: all that? Like, Yo, you can't love a team without 139 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: hating another team. It's like, as a New York Kankie fan, 140 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: I know why the Red Sox fans hate us, you 141 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So like you know, with Lebron, 142 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: it's like, yo, you're not on my team not associated 143 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: with any team that I ever. I don't want you 144 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: to keep winning, you know what I'm saying, And I 145 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: obviously you can't watching the greatness, but that's what we're 146 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: gonna have to sit there and like you know, I understand. 147 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean now, you would never think, you would never think, right, 148 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: you would never think in a million years that I 149 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: would be a sixer that hard. You would never think 150 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: I'll be rooting for the Balls and Celtics. But I'm 151 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: rooting for you know what I mean. So it all 152 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: comes together. It's you know, it is what it is like. 153 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: And I don't have the animosity that I had photos 154 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: I had, I had time to heal, you know what 155 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean. Being retired this long, it's like, you know 156 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: what what, Man, let me stop hating these certain teams. 157 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: Man that because you know when when when when you 158 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: have a when you have a relationship in a certain 159 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: way with certain fans, when it's like when when when 160 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: you play that team, You're like, you gotta go up 161 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: here and play these people, and I gotta deal with 162 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: all the things that they say. And they didn't see 163 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: this Boston at all the places you played in your 164 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: in your prime of Primes and in the darkest of 165 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: the dog fights. Oh um, Boston, Indiana in Utah for me. 166 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: But you know what, the weirdest thing if if Mike, 167 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: I promise you, if you look back on it, I was, 168 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: I was. I was showing my girl something and uh 169 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: my man, you look back on it. I'm like, Okay, 170 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: We'll go back to an old Boston game when we're 171 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: playing Boston and then you zoom in on the crowd. 172 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: You know, when you're at Boston, you're seeing green and white. 173 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Basically, I said, Okay, he 174 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: didn't see it. I said, okay, yeah, but you you're 175 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: seeing you're seeing green jerseys, white jersey, but when we 176 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: played them, it's black and red mixed in the whole arena. 177 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: You see half allan ivers in Jerseys have Celtic jerseys. 178 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: And I used to be you know, and and I 179 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: used to be dumbfounded by and I'm like, damn, that's cool. 180 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: As soon as I touched the ball, I don't care 181 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: if I'm taking the ball out of bounds every time 182 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: I touched it, boo boo. And I'm like, how all 183 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: these people in here with my uniform on and they 184 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: born me. But it's like one of those things like 185 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: they love to hate you. It's like one of those 186 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: things like, yeah, we love you, we're a fan of yours, 187 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: but we believe green and you gotta respect it. You 188 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean, You just gotta you gotta respect that. So, 189 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: based on everything we know now, because right now just 190 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: contextualize it, four teams are left, it's gonna be it's 191 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: gonna three teams are left. It's gonna it's gonna come 192 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: down to Lebron Golden State. Based on everything we know now, 193 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: injury free, barr and knock on what we want, everybody healthy. 194 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: If you have to make a prediction, who's gonna win 195 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: the championship? Just prediction? Come say the right thing. Man. 196 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: I can't go through it again. I mean, listen, I 197 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: just I explained it to you. I explained it to 198 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: you earlier. Um, it's one of those things where if 199 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: I could, if I if I could choose a team, 200 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: I would choose Golden State because Katie don't have a championship. 201 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,599 Speaker 1: He has you know, he hasn't won one. You know 202 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: what I mean? All those guys that you know, great 203 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: basketball players. You look at Steph, you look at Draymond. 204 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: You look at Clay Um, you look at lebron Kyrie 205 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: and and and Love and all those guys. They got chips, 206 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then if you can 207 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: have it your way, you would want it to be 208 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: for the guy that you know. I didn't win one yet, 209 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I want to see a 210 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: great series. It's gonna be great. But just tell me 211 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: who's gonna win. Just tell me who you think is 212 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: if you if you were a betting man, you're not 213 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: a betting man. I'm just saying, I'm assuming you're not 214 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: a bad man. Let you say. I never want to 215 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: put words in your mouth because I first of all, 216 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: this is like a bucket list moment, the fact that 217 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm sitting down interview and you I'm bugging. I'm bugging 218 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: the funk out. You can beat it out you want, 219 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: all right, I'm just gonna keep it a hundred. I 220 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: say Golden State because I can't. They're trying to lock 221 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: me up last year after last. Look now, now, just 222 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: like you said, like I I would never take the 223 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: reason why I never became an analyst with all of 224 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: these offers that I had to do that I never 225 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: I always felt like they had to have a special 226 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: talent because for a guy that used to play two 227 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: get on TV and critique another guy even when he 228 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: like especially at his lowest point, you know what I mean, 229 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: when you dogging him on the air and and you 230 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: gotta say bad things about certain guys. I just I 231 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: never I never could build myself up to doing something 232 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: like that because I wouldn't you know, I just I 233 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: just wouldn't want it to happen to me. So I 234 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: never was um, I never liked the idea of um 235 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: of doing that. Yeah, you were so associated with hip hop. 236 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: I remember one of the first times I've seemed like 237 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: a piece on you. You were in the Georgetown locker room, 238 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: but Coach Chompson, you listen to Boutange. I remember what 239 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: the song was, But you were going around, you know, 240 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: just the culture and like you sort of brought hip 241 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: hop into the NBA. I mean, obviously other dudes did it, 242 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: but you were like the faces I took. I took 243 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: the askhopping forward for guys to look like and be 244 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: who They all have their own identity today and to 245 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: the people, that's um, that's if it's to the people 246 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: that it's not they're a cup of tea. They now 247 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: accepted because they have no choice, you know what I mean. 248 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: Like when there was no problem when I was dressing 249 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: and looking the way I looked when I was playing 250 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: at first, But then when you know, when guys started, 251 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: the younger dudes that looked up to me started doing it, 252 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, now he's a problem, you know 253 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: what I mean. We can have one bad album. We 254 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: can have it. Dennis Rodman dressing the way he dressing, 255 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: that's cool, and you look at it like Dennis is Dennis, 256 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: and you look at it like Alan is Alan. But 257 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: now it's a whole bunch of these guys starting it 258 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: looked like Alan, So I think, you know, that's where 259 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: it came in. And I took the whipping for it. 260 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: But it's better sweet to feel good now the fact 261 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: now you look at the TV and it's normal to 262 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: see a guy with a bunch of tattoos. It's normal 263 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: to see kawhite Leone with corn rolls and stuff like that. 264 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: So I feel good about that. Far forget, forget the 265 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: tattoos and the corals. You you made it acceptable for 266 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: dudes to show up to a basketball game with shirtless blazers. 267 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: All right, dudes are coming in with sleeve with blazers. 268 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I know I feel, no, I feel I 269 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: feel and see that's that's that's some real ship. I feel. 270 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: I feel disrespected in this way and and and not 271 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: to disrespected to what was I have an attitude or 272 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: anything like that, because I don't care, you know what 273 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: I mean. I'm long gone from the game. But when 274 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: I look at the guys coming in and and more 275 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: power to him and all that, you know what I mean. 276 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: I but it's like it are we doing? Like? Is 277 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: it a lucky charmer? I felt like I felt like 278 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: some of these outfits, you know, once the commission of 279 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: whoever that matters, seeing one outfit like some of these 280 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: many outfits, they would say, Okay, we gotta implicate another 281 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: dress code, you know what I mean. But I'm watching 282 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: what these dude, I like, I won't never this every like. 283 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: It's like I want to be Pattark today and I 284 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: don't want to sound like and I don't want to 285 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: sound like um. You know when people was talking about UM, 286 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: when when everybody was talking about the the crossover, ain't 287 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: we harder way? And everybody was like oh man harder way, 288 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: acting like the glumpy old man and this that and 289 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I was like, man, 290 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: the man just present that what he you know, far 291 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: as him saying mine was illegal, you know. And I 292 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: was carrying you know, That's when I took offense to 293 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: and like, all right, well I carried my I carried 294 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: my crossover all the way into the Hall of Fame. 295 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: That's when I you know, it bothered me. But I 296 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: don't want to be the guys, you know, with these 297 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: guys the way they dressed now, and I don't want 298 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: to be sitting here like I'm the grumpy old man. 299 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: I'll be that guy, all right because everybody, no, no 300 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: one wants to say it, but everybody's saying it. Absolutely Listen, 301 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: you can't come in there just up like you know 302 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: you're going you're on a yacht in santra Pe when 303 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: you're coming to Game four of the NBA Farm. All right. 304 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: But I was thinking about hip hop. I want to 305 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: ask you, okay, let me let me, let me, let me, 306 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: let me, let me say this, but let me say this, 307 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: let me say this, Let me say this the way 308 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: the way that um I always looked at it was 309 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: I was wearing and what I would wear to the 310 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: gym if I wasn't an NBA Like this, I'm dressing 311 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: like I dress, you know what I mean, And and 312 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: like I never, I never, you know. And I love 313 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: soups now at an old age, but I never thought 314 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: about wearing a suit to the gym when I'm gonna 315 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: play pick up ball, Like I'm wearing no SUPs in 316 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: the gym, you know what I mean. But it's like 317 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: I said, man before, just on't all right now? This 318 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: is this is an interchangeable answer. It's the reason why 319 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: I brought up hip hop. So you don't have to 320 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: feel obligating to anybody. If you want six or seven, 321 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: you could do it. Let's say Alive Top five, MC alive, 322 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: and it's inter change where if you want to cherry 323 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: on top and on the seventh one, I'll give it 324 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: to you the top five. And yet I get so 325 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: much flat um from this, because um, you leave people 326 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: out and I leave people out. And I'm big fans 327 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: of old many artists, you know what I mean, even 328 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: the loose some of the young guys today, you know 329 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm just I'm just a big fan 330 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: of the hip hop culture. And then it's hard like 331 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: obviously you're gonna leave out a great you know what 332 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: I mean, You're gonna leave now, You're gonna leave out 333 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: plenty greades. You can name five, but you don't leave 334 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: out fifty to a hundred grades. You know what I mean, 335 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna leave out guys, and I I just do 336 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: you forget dudes? I can't. I care not to do 337 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: it because you you forget guys. And then you know, 338 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: a guy come out and say, well, how you ain't 339 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: have eminem up there? How you ain't have three thousand? 340 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know, but you just 341 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: naming guys off the top, and you you forget certain 342 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: guys and just get out of all right, since there's 343 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: no more groups in hip hop, barely anymore groups. Five 344 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: favorite Five of your favorite groups and no particular order 345 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: of hip hop groups um, no particular order, no particular order. 346 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: Five of your favorite groups today on a Wednesday, brun 347 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: DMC all right, Beast Boys Locks, Okay, I'll take one 348 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: bout e p M D Tribe. I know you can 349 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: keep going, you can say outcast, you can keep on going, 350 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: and and can go on and on with the Dungeon family. 351 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: You can keep you can go on and on, you 352 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you can't win that, you 353 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: can't win it, but the Fuji you you just can't 354 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: win it. All right. That's a good list. That's a 355 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: good list. All right? Are you Atlanta Falcons fan? No? 356 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: Who's your football team? Because because in high school you 357 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: apparently it's good at football or better football than you 358 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: were in basketball. You still love football? Um, still loving 359 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: more than basketball for real? So who's your Who's your 360 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: team in football? Oh? My goodness, crap, I didn't say, 361 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: I said. I said, I want to interview this day. 362 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm a my best friend is a Giants fan. But 363 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: see um with me, Like the Phillip people got piste 364 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,719 Speaker 1: off in me because you know, obviously I'm a I'm 365 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: a cowboy. But what they gotta understand is, you know, 366 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: I was from Virginia before I got to Philly. I 367 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: was I was drafted by the by the Sixers, and 368 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: my mom made me a cowboy fan, Like she used 369 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: to make me watch the Cowboys when I was like 370 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: five years old, all the way up to the age 371 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: that I'm you know, obviously a fanatic. Now but um 372 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: my mom made me a Cowboy. And you know, the 373 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: people in Philadelphia, you know they had to realize that, 374 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: you know that was the case. You know what I mean. 375 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: I'm not from Philadelphia. Now. Do I love the organization? 376 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: Do I love a lot of the players. I'm right 377 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: there with them all the time. I watched them go 378 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: through their ups there downs. I root for him, you 379 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean, even though we're in the same division. Um, 380 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: but it is what it is, man. I feel like 381 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: any person got it right to be a fan of 382 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: who they want to be a fan of. I hear 383 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: all right, So that was rough though the Cowboys had 384 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: all ego fans, all ego fans, not sixer fans, right, 385 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: you did what I'm saying, Like all of them are 386 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: not six and fans. But but but just to just 387 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: the backtrack for last year with the Cowboys, I mean, 388 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: things were real sweet and you met the cow you 389 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: met the Giants twice. We put it on your real 390 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: nice I didn't put it on us twice. But you're 391 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: saying put it on. It wasn't at this and one 392 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: thing interrupted one thing. One thing about playing the Johns. 393 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: It's one thing about playing to Johns. You can play 394 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: those guys tough the whole game. It can come down 395 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: to be a low scoring game with the Giants. But 396 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: one thing for show, two things, but certain you have 397 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: to expect number thirteen to take the lid off the 398 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: defense at least one time during the game. It just 399 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: so happened with us. It's always at the wrong time. 400 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: It's not in the beginning of the game. Game is 401 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or two, three, four point 402 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: game and then it's many or some change or something 403 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: like that on the clock and then he goes six 404 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: or seventy yards or something like that. It's just a 405 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: guy like that. You can contain them all game long 406 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: and you can have a good game against him, a 407 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: good game plan, but at some point somethings gonna happen. 408 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: Explosive Now, Ezekiel Elliott, when he showed up to the 409 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: NFL Draft with with with with the midriff out, did 410 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: you expect him to be as good as he did? 411 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 1: Because I was like, Yo, I don't know what kind 412 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: of party you think this is with This is the 413 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: NFL Draft on man, I don't know where where you 414 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: think we're going. This is in Malibu. Draft You got 415 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: your stomach out. I don't know what you're trying to do. 416 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: He's you're asking girls might like it. Yeah, but I 417 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: mean even I mean girls girls like me and look 418 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: at me. Look at I'm not showing my midriff side. 419 00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: But when you do, they like even more. Yeah, all right, 420 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: the Big Three, the Big Three game, Game four, Week four. 421 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: You're in Philly, Dr j What what what does Dr 422 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: Jay mean to you? What does Dr Ja mean to 423 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: the city philadelph Everything, man, everything, you know. You know, 424 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: it's the the best part of being a sixer and 425 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: being um and having a relationship that I have with 426 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia fans is because they had it with so 427 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: many greats before. Obviously Dr Jake had a relationship with 428 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: Barckley and Bobby Jones and Andrew Tony, um, Moses Malone. 429 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean, and the list goes more cheeks, the list 430 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: goes on and on, and for it to be a 431 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: debate whether rather I have a better the better relationship 432 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: with the Philly fans than any of them, especial to me, 433 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: it says a lot um to me about you know, 434 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: how the Philly people treat me in the relationship that 435 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: we have. Honestly, in my harder hearts think that the 436 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: only relationship that might come close to the relationship I 437 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: have with the Philly fans is Mike in Chicago, you 438 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And Doc has been always He's 439 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: always been supportive of me. He's always been there for me, Um, 440 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: for whatever, even if it's just a conversation about something 441 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: that I might be going through personally off the basketball court, 442 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: He's been there, you know what I mean. And it's 443 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: been a great inspiration for me obviously. UM, and you 444 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: know I want to be a part of that legacy 445 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: of the great Philly athletes. Um, like your stands right now, 446 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: do you ever get over your fandom of somebody like Doc? 447 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: I mean you've known them for years. You know, you're you're, 448 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: you're in the whole, Like do you ever? But is 449 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: there always a party that's like Doc? Not? In never 450 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: it never gets old because, um, you you look up 451 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: to him so much. Now with with Doc, you get 452 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: a you have a UM you have a sense of 453 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: admiring him so much more because the ones that admired 454 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: him before him, you know what I mean when you 455 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: look at him being I mean, well after him, I'm 456 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: sorry when you look at when you look at Um 457 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: the way he is and then the evolution of Black Jesus, 458 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and see how Mike came 459 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: into his own And for me to know that Mike 460 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: looked up to a guy like that and I look 461 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: up to Mike, that makes it more special for me 462 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: because my hero looked up to him. So I think 463 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: that's I think that's dope to me. So he always 464 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: looked Um like a superhero to me, you know what 465 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: I mean, just like Mike, You know what I mean, 466 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: It never gets old. When I see Mike is still 467 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: the same thing I said in the Hall of Fame speech, 468 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: Like when I see him, it looked like he's glowing, 469 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: like Charlie Murphy was saying on it about the Rick 470 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: James thing. You know what I mean, It's always gonna 471 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: be like that, you know, with me, because he was 472 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: the guy that made me want to play the game 473 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: and I wanted to be like, Okay, big three. One 474 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: of the one of the things that people are excited about. 475 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm excited about this. They are allowing hand checking in 476 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: this league. When you were in the league hand checking, 477 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: you know, you couldn't. They were still able to hand 478 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: check now guys could run free What is hand checking? 479 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: And if you played in a hand checking free era, 480 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: completely hand checking free era, how much more of the 481 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: impact do you think you could have on the game 482 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: offensively with absolutely no hand checking throughout your whole career? Um? 483 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: I think, uh um I would. It would have been 484 00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: worse on defenders obviously. UM I think. I remember my 485 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: rookie year when they had hand check them and Derek 486 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: Harper could guard me all over the court because in 487 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: a basketball game, nine times out of ten, the person 488 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: that's guarding me is always stronger than me, you know 489 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: what I mean. So you know everybody would would love 490 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: to be able to do that, you know what I mean. 491 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: But I just feel like a lot of things change 492 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: once I evolved, Once I became the six ft hundred 493 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: and sixty five pound guy that the league has never 494 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: seen before, come in and dominate scoring the ball like that. Then, 495 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: slowly but surely, so many a lot of things changed. 496 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: You know. When when I was in college, Um, I 497 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: used to always tell my teammates, like, man, once I 498 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: get to the league, nobody's gonna be able to stop me. 499 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: They can't run boxing ones on me, they can't uh, 500 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: they can't run boxing ones. They can't run zones, you 501 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,239 Speaker 1: know what I mean, they can't they can't do that 502 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: to three and stuff like that. And for a while 503 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: it went on and you figure out, okay, well this 504 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: guy can't be stopped in a one on one league. 505 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: So then all of a sudden, out of blue, you 506 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: wake up and there's his only place. So but hand 507 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: checking like always been tough on me, like I said, 508 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: because because guys are you know, usually stronger than me, 509 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: does that mean they could push you or they could 510 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: just they could keep their hand on you, just slow 511 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: you down a sense if if you know, you see 512 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: how like when guys come off of picking rolls, now 513 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: you come off picking rolling the big Man the Big 514 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,479 Speaker 1: Man show and the guy always you know, do like 515 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: this and they get the call. Is basically just like that. 516 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: But you can do it at any time. You can 517 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: have that contact at any time, especially if you they 518 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: let you. Hand checking you only could use one hand, right, 519 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: you're asking me, But yeah, you think you can put 520 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: one hand right? Yeah, you only could you Obviously this 521 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: was would be a foul, this would be a block. 522 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: But like hand checking, it was actually somebody could grab 523 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: you by your ribs and then just guide you anywhere 524 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: they want you to go. If you want to go 525 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: this way, then they can just hold you and stop 526 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: you from going that way, you know what I mean, 527 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: So they can force you to go wherever they wanted 528 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: you to go. On the court, I'm glad. I would 529 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: never want to see hand checking in the game again. 530 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: You're you're you're glad it's gone. Yeah, I don't want it. 531 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to see that. I don't want to 532 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: see that because I think I just think it's a fire. 533 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 1: Do you think that dude, like so many dudes are 534 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: scrutinized Curry, Isaiah Um Curry being the biggest, Like last 535 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: year when he had the unanimous m v P. You know, 536 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: it was like this great thing, this sort of unpresident thing, 537 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: and the whole storyline throughout the playoffs was, you know, 538 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: just bashing Curry, bashing that team. Do you think it's 539 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: unfair that players like Steph Curry, and it's really the 540 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: point guards they're able to run free and then get 541 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: scrutinized that well, in our error, they wouldn't been this 542 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: last year. There was like, well, compare them to this team, 543 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: Compare them to that you can not do that. Your 544 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: error is your Your error is a different error. You 545 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: had the certain rules back then, and then as that 546 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: you change errors, then it's different things that go on. 547 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: We never thought you would have guys like Lebron's uh 548 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: six eight faster than everybody on the court, stronger than 549 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: everybody on the court, handled the ball. We never had 550 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: big guys bringing the ball up the court, that big 551 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: six eight guys um um bringing the ball down the 552 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: court and crossing people over and doing stuff like that. 553 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: The game is evolving, It is getting better, you know 554 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's not it's you never seen nobody 555 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: when we sat around and we've seen Reggie Miller was 556 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: a great all time shooter, and uh Ray Island great 557 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: all time shooting. And you got Mark Moo and then 558 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: you got Chris Mullen and light Bird. You got all 559 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:58,719 Speaker 1: these great shooters. And then just like that, Steph come 560 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. Now we're looking at him, is the 561 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: greatest shooter of all time. You look at you look 562 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: at um, Michael Jordan, he comes with Dr j come around. 563 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: Then Michael Jordan coming around, and then heck him Kobe, 564 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: and then he him Lebron like this is just gonna 565 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: always just keep getting better and better, you know what 566 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: I mean? The game is getting better and we should 567 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: be happy that it is. Man. The game is changing 568 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: for the better. And you know it an't supposed to 569 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: be like it was back in the eighties, man, because 570 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: this two thousand seventeen, I'm supposed to be the same. 571 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: All right, Big three, they're allowing trash talk. I was 572 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: there yesterday with Gary Payton. He's unbelievable. Trash talking doesn't 573 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: shut up Kenyan Martin, Kenyan Martin, when you played, who 574 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: were three of the guys. Who are a few the 575 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: guys that besides Gary Kenny Martin that like to talk? 576 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: Because even Oakley he he he doesn't talk at a 577 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: high volume. He doesn't. He doesn't stop talking either to talk. 578 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: Who were the dues that would talk the most to you? 579 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: Because you don't seem like you talked a lot. I didn't. 580 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: I didn't unless somebody, let's somebody started to bother me. 581 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: I never, I never that was That wasn't my demeanor 582 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: on the basketball court. That that was never, never part 583 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: of my thing. Now, um pick up with my friends 584 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: at home, that's a totally different story. You know, what 585 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean. But when I was in the league, none 586 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: of that. I don't know because I never I never 587 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: really heard g P on the court with me talk 588 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: trash like that. But watching him play against another team, 589 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: then I could pick it up. Um, who would you say, 590 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: Gary Payton? And they were all doing it. Um you 591 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: know who was talking to light talk trash to bird 592 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: talk trash? He did Mike with Mike with Mike with 593 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: Was it overt or was it conder in your ear? No, 594 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: Mike probably, uh, Mike probably talk talk more physical trash, right, 595 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: He like he's threatening, like little stuff like I remember 596 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: one time when he was six for six in a 597 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: game and m Keep, my best friend on the team, 598 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: was checking in the game, and I remember, you know, 599 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: I used to put the powder on his hand. He 600 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: went to the sideline, the partner saying and blues getting 601 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: ready check in, and he was like, look, McKee, I 602 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: don't think it's a good time for you to come 603 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: in right now. And I got scared for him, you 604 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean. He wasn't even talking to me. 605 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, like and he already six 606 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: for six, so it's getting ready to be one of 607 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: those nights anyway, So you know, he had his own 608 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: slick way of talking without talking. I remember Jimmy Jackson 609 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: was playing him in a preseason game and we were 610 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: in the game. Man, we were in the game. I 611 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: think it's my second year and he were at North 612 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: Carolina anyway, and he was just chilling man and Jimmy 613 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: started talking trash to him. You put you uh short 614 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: stone just like me. You tie your shoes, I said, 615 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: oh lord, and preseason game. All right, One more question 616 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: on pick three up four point shot. You saw it. 617 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: I saw your first reaction, the four point shot going 618 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: nowhere there. What is going to be the impact of 619 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: the four point shot in the Big Three? I don't know. 620 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be a great weapon for um 621 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: guys like um Jason Williams, um my mood. I didn't 622 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: know my moods playing. He's in it. Wow, he got 623 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: busy at the combine. I can't believe it. Chauncey Billups, Um, 624 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: a lot of guys, Steve Jackson, It's a lot of guys, 625 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: but shot and shooting way out there. Um, it's a 626 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: lot of guys. I'm not going I gotta come in 627 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: a little bit more. I ain't know where and there 628 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: strong enough to be shooting from way back there. All right, 629 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: it's the Big Three, Allen Iverson, I could uh, I 630 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: could mark this off things I've ever wanted to do. 631 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: Sit down and talk to you. You mean so much 632 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: of so many people. I can't wait to see you 633 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: out there coaching. Can't wait to see you doing your thing. 634 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: The fans are gonna be excited to see you. I 635 00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Very fun, very fun, my man. All right, yo, 636 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: me and Allen Iverson, Big Three. It's going down this summer. 637 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: First game is in Brooklyn, New York, at the Barclay's 638 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: Big Three dot com if you want to get tickets, 639 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: Going to Charlotte, going to Tulsa, Gonna be in Philadelphia, 640 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: gonna be in Dallas, Kentucky. We're gonna be playing in 641 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: l A, Seattle, and the finals are August in Las Vegas. 642 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: I can't wait. Um it's Iron Rappor Stereo podcast and 643 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: we're done. Thank you so much for letting me have 644 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: that opportunity.