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Speaker 1: Alzoone Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast that you're

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Speaker 2: listening to or like watching right now. I think like

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Speaker 2: ten percent of the audience watches, but it's impossible to

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Speaker 2: tell because streaming numbers are famously opague. But you know

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Speaker 2: what's not opegue. Our guest for the podcast today, the

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Speaker 2: great Jamie Loftu, is here to help us finish the

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Speaker 2: epic saga of One Taste, a Bay Area orgasm cult

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Speaker 2: that went way too far. Jamie, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: So good to be here. I am famously translucent. It

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Speaker 3: is nice to not be opaque. Yeah, I do wonder

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Speaker 3: who's watching, but usually I feel like if someone is watching,

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Speaker 3: they'll let you know, and they'll let you know exactly

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Speaker 3: what looks wrong about you. So I'll get back to

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Speaker 3: you with the numbers.

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Speaker 2: Good to know. We also have on the podcast today

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Speaker 2: our producer Sophie Lichterman, who is not showing up through

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Speaker 2: video because you don't need to. You just need to

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Speaker 2: justify that to you, you maniacs watching the show. You

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Speaker 2: don't need to know why Sophie's not going to be

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Speaker 2: on video. She's not deal with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't need another subreddit about if I'm safe

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Speaker 1: or not?

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Speaker 2: Guys, Yeah, podcast listeners, you can just continue ignoring.

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Speaker 1: All twenty twenty six. I'm not, of course, I'm unsafe.

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Speaker 2: What you Jamie? Are you excited to conclude this epic

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Speaker 2: story because we had a little bit of a break,

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Speaker 2: a longer one than we usually do between the first

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Speaker 2: two parts and the third, so you know, I expect

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Speaker 2: things have been building up, edging if you will, as

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Speaker 2: we wait for you know, the conclusion here.

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Speaker 3: I liked it did feel kind of like message podcasting

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Speaker 3: that you sort of left me hanging on the edge

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Speaker 3: of something thrilling for like ten days and now I'm

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Speaker 3: ready to uh what what is like? Is enlightenment? This

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Speaker 3: feeling of knowledge? Like what is if knowledge is coming?

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Speaker 3: What is that? That's enlightenment? Nirvana?

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Speaker 2: It's interesting they come to the longer one taste goes

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Speaker 2: on the more Nicole didone, who is again like the

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Speaker 2: leader of all. This gets everyone referring to orgasm as

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Speaker 2: if it's like mana in like a like a like

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Speaker 2: a role playing game or something like your orgasm is low,

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Speaker 2: or you've got a high level of orgasm, your power,

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Speaker 2: your orgasm is powerful. So like you're They refer to

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Speaker 2: orgasm not as like like a biological thing that that

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Speaker 2: happens you know sometimes, but as like this this mana

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Speaker 2: pool that you build up over time, both through like

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Speaker 2: O wimming, through like receiving it if you have a vagina,

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Speaker 2: or through giving you know, O wimming you build up

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Speaker 2: your orgasm level. And it's almost like this mana pool

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Speaker 2: that helps you gain powers. That's kind of how she taks, and.

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Speaker 3: That's what you were doing for us and for them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I see, I think I wanted to raise your mana.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite things about cult stories is just

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Speaker 3: like the moving goalposts and how you're like, oh, you

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Speaker 3: thought that was coming. Well, actually there's a secret different

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Speaker 3: kind of come that. There is a huge financial barrier

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Speaker 3: to accents.

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Speaker 2: It's part of this like colts have to be all consuming.

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Speaker 2: They have to like fill every space in your life.

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Speaker 2: Colts don't want you to have like hobbies or you know,

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Speaker 2: outside stuff going on. So you know, if you're if

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Speaker 2: it's a call like scientology, where it's supposed to be

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Speaker 2: all consuming, you've got this totally different way of looking

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Speaker 2: at the world and psychology in the mind that's easier

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Speaker 2: but if you come in with like this really narrow

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Speaker 2: focus like Nicole did, where it's just about you know

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Speaker 2: kind of lingis basically you really have to like you

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Speaker 2: have to get creative to make that all consuming because

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Speaker 2: most people just it's not an option to to have

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Speaker 2: oral sex all day every day for that to be

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Speaker 2: like your only behavior. So you really have to work

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Speaker 2: to make that everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you should never you should never start a cult

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Speaker 3: around something that is free to do, right, Yes, it's

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Speaker 3: it's gonna get difficult quickly if people figure out they

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Speaker 3: can come for free at their house.

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Speaker 2: Although you know, Jamie, people have always technically been able

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Speaker 3: So that's true. That's true. And I will say, you know,

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Speaker 2: She's creative. She's creative.

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Speaker 3: I have never heard quite of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So in mid two thousand and six, one Taste

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Speaker 2: she's she's turned into like the figure the male figurehead

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Speaker 2: a lot of the time of the Colt in this period,

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Speaker 2: she uses his money to lease a warehouse, and the

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Speaker 2: coal mandates everyone's got to live together. Now we're all

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Speaker 2: of two different warehouses that are like communal living spaces

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Speaker 2: and initially nice warehouses.

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Speaker 3: Warehouse could mean so they're in the bay.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's off of what's it called. It's

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Speaker 2: It's like a warehouse, but not a bad one. I

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Speaker 2: have spend time in San Francisco warehouses that are living

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Speaker 2: well Oakland warehouses that were living spaces. This seems like

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Speaker 2: one of the nicer ones, right, okay, sound around fifty

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Speaker 2: people move in it first, and they have to give

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Speaker 2: up most of their early possessions to do so. Once

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Speaker 2: they all live in the warehouse. Clothing, basically most things

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Speaker 2: If you complain that someone's like taking all of your

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Speaker 2: like it's equal, you'll be sort of critiqued or attacked

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Speaker 2: for being too obsessed with attachments. Nicole starts having these.

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Speaker 2: She'll go through a couple of different names, but they're

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Speaker 2: all there's these various different sort of group meeting structures

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Speaker 3: Honesty approach where it's like I'm actually I'm being abusive

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Speaker 2: Because this is a lot of ye yep, yeah. So

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Speaker 2: people who complain that, like, hey, all my clothes have

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Speaker 2: betterment of humankind. You know where you care that everyone's

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Speaker 2: taking your shirts? Everybody sleeps. There's one giant central main

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Speaker 2: at this point, you've got a few dozen, maybe around

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Speaker 2: Some of these folks are casual, maybe once or twice

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Speaker 2: or even every week to do a variety. Maybe they're

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Speaker 3: So we've fifty people like full time in the warehouse,

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Speaker 2: And you wouldn't even call those folks cult members, right

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Speaker 2: more accurate to say there's maybe fifty or some members

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, right. The cult is not at this

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Speaker 2: It costs like five grand, but I know you're really

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Speaker 2: don't you want to get right, that's kind of how

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Speaker 2: this is. And that's not quite prostitution, but that's like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she has too much, she has all the power

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Speaker 3: in that situation. And also I'm assuming that you know,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. So yeah, so in

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Speaker 3: a way, that is trafficking, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely trafficking or trafficking adjacent, and it's gonna

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Speaker 2: get a lot more direct at this point, it's a

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Speaker 3: I'm still enjoying the idea of all of the like hundred,

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Speaker 2: I don't know easily. Like I said, I'm not one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent sure. I haven't been to parties with like

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like, we're never going to move into

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Speaker 3: the warehouse. But you know, not on a the question

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been to a few been to a

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Speaker 3: You're an open minded guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm an open minded guy. I love a warehouse.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've maybe presed what if I done stand

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Speaker 1: Robert Adams, I love a warehouse.

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Speaker 2: I love good warehouse. I love a good warehouse. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So uh and this is kind of so, you know,

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Speaker 2: on the on one side, you've gotten Nicole reaching out

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Speaker 2: to these folks who are like regular wealthier customers. These

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Speaker 2: reach out to these dudes and maybe that'll bring in

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Speaker 2: five or ten grand that we need. And then on

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Speaker 2: the other side, within the cult, she frames this often

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Speaker 2: class and it's a high dollar class. I'll give you

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Speaker 2: up with so and so because he really likes you.

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Speaker 2: You know, do you want to freak class? Right? And

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Speaker 2: she would she would ask you to do her like

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Speaker 2: And it even features they take photos of om sessions

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so just of all. In the article, The Times

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Speaker 2: Sophie'll show you again. There's this photo. Nicole's right in

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting photo to choose because it almost looks

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Speaker 2: in positive ways. They're kind of amused, look at this

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Speaker 3: Still like playing into the whole. I Mean, what has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is empowered, This is empowering. Going with it, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Audible Sponsors. One of their podcasts they have like an

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Speaker 4: They always oh, my god, every cult is trying to

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Speaker 3: I came very closed. I was nearly persuaded in twenty

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Speaker 2: Oh, that would have been amazing.

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Speaker 3: And the fact that all of this is because it's

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Speaker 3: She couldn't have chosen a better location to find this

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Speaker 2: would be a corporate sponsor for a sex cult?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I have a feeling.

437
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 2: I know the products and services that support this podcast.

438
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: Some of them may have been We've had audible ads before,

439
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: like this is what we've shared at least one advertise

440
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 2: with this sex cult.

441
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: Let's go over to more than one, Let's be honest.

442
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, more than one almost certainly anyway, God.

443
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: What if it's what if it's what if it's an

444
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: ad for dick pills.

445
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: What if it's an ad for dick pills.

446
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 2: There's a good chance it will be, and I know

447
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 2: it is. I know we're back, and we're all hoping

448
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: that the ad you just heard was for dick pills,

449
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: because they do. We do have some Dick Pills sponsors.

450
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be fun? Wouldn't that be a good time?

451
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 2: Every guy?

452
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 5: You know?

453
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 2: Comedy hahaha, comedy it So. Nicole spent the first few

454
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: years of the Colt's life sharing spaces with everyone else.

455
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 2: She's living there, initially at the warehouse. But after a

456
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: few years, around two thousand and ten or eleven, I

457
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: think is kind of when this starts to happen, she

458
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 2: decides there's too many demands on her attention. Now coincidently,

459
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 2: this is shortly after she starts sometime we're in two

460
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 2: thousand and six or seven, off and on seeing and

461
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: then eventually dating seriously, this Silicon Valley entrepreneur and multimillionaire

462
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 2: named Reys Jones. Right now, Reese meet. This guy's pushing fifty.

463
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 2: He's not in great shape, but he's just sold his

464
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: company to Motorola for a shitload of money. So this

465
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: guy has spent the first chunk of his life building up,

466
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: and he finally cashed out and he's like kind of

467
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: over the hill and looking to recapture his like youth

468
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: now that he's got a shitload of money, and he

469
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: stumbles into One Taste for the same reason a fly

470
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: winds up in a Venus fly trap. Right, it's made

471
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 2: as a trap for this guy.

472
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: Reese Jones excellent name for an insecure multimillionaire. Couldn't have

473
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 3: written better.

474
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: Myself had to be a recee.

475
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, had to Yeah, and just oh god, the yeah,

476
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,479
Speaker 3: the idea of conceptually, I feel like we encounter them

477
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: all the time. A fifty year old guy that's like,

478
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: you know, I think I'm ready to sell down. I

479
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 3: think I'm ready. I was like, wow, huge, huge, You've

480
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 3: really just figured it out, haven't you.

481
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm ready to settle down with a

482
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: building full of trafficked people. So Reese, Yeah, you know,

483
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: One Taste is losing money badly during most of this period,

484
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: and Nicole needs a rich mark like Reese to prop

485
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: everything up. He gives them like a million dollars. He's

486
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: absolutely critical to their survival during this period of time.

487
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: So Nicole starts dating Reese, and this is going on

488
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: from like two thys and six or so's like twenty eleven,

489
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: and she's over this period of time, spending more and

490
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: more time with him, less and less time at the

491
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 2: warehouse around her members. She's going on vacations with him.

492
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: She moves out of the warehouse and into a mansion

493
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: with him because she decides that it's way better to

494
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 2: live like a multi millionaire than to live with her

495
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: colleagues at the masturbation Store.

496
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 3: Another classic cult moment where you're like, and now the

497
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: leader has decided that personal space does matter only for

498
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: them for the leader.

499
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, So from this point on, she no longer lives

500
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: full time in the communal spaces with her cult members,

501
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: who are still technically researchers but are starting to look

502
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: a lot more like her workforce. Twenty eleven was the

503
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: big shift year for One Taste, where it goes from

504
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: being a weird self help culty thing to a Silicon

505
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: Valley body hacking startup. Nicole publishes I Mean and this

506
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: is there's a couple of big moments that kind of

507
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 2: delineate this shift from the past where One Taste is

508
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: very much like a descendant of these previous kind of

509
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: orgasm wu cults that we'd talked about, right okay, And

510
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: there's not much to differentiate her from that until she

511
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: publishes a book called Slow Sex, The Art and Craft

512
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: of the Female Orgasm, And that happens, like right as

513
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: one taste is sort of maturing to be more of

514
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: a service provider and more of like a body hacking

515
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: thing than a we're re searching, you know, the future,

516
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: We're researching orgasm magic too. We're selling courses on orgasmic meditation.

517
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 2: Right as that shift happens, it's kind of signposted by

518
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: she puts out this book that sells very well called

519
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 2: Slow Sex, and it's framed is that a guide for

520
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: both men and women and dedicated to quote the orgasm,

521
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: may each of us find ours now? Right kind of

522
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: talking again of like of orgasm like it's magic. One

523
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: of the book jacket quotes for Slow Sex is by

524
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: Ian Kerner, a sexuality counselor and New York Times best

525
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: selling author of She Comes First. Ian said, no, close sex.

526
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: Is no dude, No oh my close.

527
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: Sex is the real deal on pleasuring a woman for

528
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: any guy who wants is fifteen minutes of sexual fame

529
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: to don't offers practical and inspired guide to the orgasmic

530
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: big leagues. What No, fifteen.

531
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Speaker 3: Minutes of sexual fame? What the male feminist has clocked in?

532
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: This is why I'm more than one of my female

533
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: friends has given me a taser.

534
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, there's a lot that's like just the Yeah,

535
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 2: it's wow.

536
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: She comes first, Wow, she comes first, she tastes second, and.

537
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: You get you.

538
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 4: You.

539
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: You really see a lot in terms of who the

540
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: real customers are here because it's always framed as we're

541
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: doing this for women. This is foreign by women, But

542
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 2: that quote is like, yeah, for any guy who wants

543
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: is fifteen minutes of sexual fame? Do you want to

544
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: feel like a big shot? You know, I feel like

545
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: you're the best at like sex and pleasure right, Like

546
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: you're a fucking sex god. Like that's what will make

547
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: you into is that It's like, really, what one taste

548
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: is selling?

549
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: This slow switch to an orgasm is not something that

550
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: happens for women, but at them in this way that

551
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: feels really like that ugh, I don't know it, it's gross.

552
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: It almost like it feels reminiscent to me of like

553
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: a justin Baldoni playbook of like I'm me, Respecting women

554
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 3: is a business that I have. Yeah, yeah, and it

555
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: is marketed at men, but it's for women, and I

556
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: just happen to be financially benefiting from it.

557
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, Sophie, I told you to put a pin

558
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: in this. But the moment that most embodied the evolution

559
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: of One Taste into Silicon Valley startup was Nicole's Ted

560
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: talk Nicole de doone Orgasm the Cure for Hunger, this speech,

561
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: and Sophie's got to play you a long clip from

562
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: this fucking Ted talk that shows you how Nicole is

563
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: pitching this to like a mass audience. This is her

564
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: gearing her pitch to like the biggest possible group of people. Right,

565
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: So here is like the mainstream focused look at this.

566
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: Okay, Sands Steva, I just want to give it for

567
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: the for the non Netflix watchers. She's wearing what I

568
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: can only describe as like a peak peak like express.

569
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: It looks like twenty eleven in there.

570
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: That's pretty damn express blazer with like with like a

571
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: like a ooh is this a tank underneath? And purple.

572
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a serious. Woman would never show her arms,

573
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: so she's very a peaceful blazer, but a little bit

574
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: of cleave is that.

575
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: Okay?

576
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 5: Sorry, So I figure we're ten people, were fast, we're savvy,

577
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 5: we're smart, so I'm just going to break the ice

578
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 5: for us.

579
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: Okay.

580
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 5: My topic is female orgasm for absolutely odd. So that said,

581
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 5: I want to thank the people of ted X for

582
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 5: having me on this stage. This has been a dream

583
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 5: of mine that I thought was absolutely impossible that we

584
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 5: could have a relevant, intelligent conversation about female orgasm was

585
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 5: just a distant dream for me. I just fell in

586
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 5: love with this practice. That's what happened for me. I

587
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 5: gave nearly ten thousand hours to this practice.

588
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: That's a lot of hours.

589
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 5: But I learned some key things in that time that

590
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: I am bringing to you. The first is that female

591
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 5: orgasm is vital for every single woman on the planet.

592
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 5: The second is it's not.

593
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: So bad for the guys either.

594
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 5: The third, and on a much more serious note, is

595
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 5: that it roots our fundamental capacity for connection. It's for

596
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 5: this reason that I believe that at some day, at

597
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 5: some point, you will hear.

598
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: They cut to two women who let it.

599
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 5: And orgasm, and you won't hear it. Yoga meditation and orgasm.

600
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 5: So in two thousand and four I found one taste

601
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Speaker 5: urban retreat centers with this.

602
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: I think that's one taste. Yeah, that great.

603
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: Yes, girl, give us nothing. Oh my god, I love it.

604
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: I love it. That's Peak twenty eleven Silicon Valley hype

605
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: train nonsense. She's very very much. She's doing a Steve job.

606
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: She's doing a fucking fairhose. She's she's really trying to

607
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: thread that needle and doing it very honestly, very successfully.

608
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: This this this great.

609
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: You know what she was giving. She was like, I

610
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: don't shop, but Ann Taylor. I shop, but Ann Taylor lost.

611
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: This is a show. But I really love this is

612
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: I feel like a common feature of any time. I'm

613
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: like watching a TEDx talk for whatever reason, that mentioning

614
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: at the top, like, I never thought I would make

615
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: it here when I can guarantee you any garden variety

616
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: narcissist can get a TEDx talk. It is not it

617
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: is not difficult.

618
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: I never thought I would email a fucking PR representative

619
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: and show them, hey, look at how many followers I

620
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: have on social media. Can I have a TEDx talk?

621
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: I never thought, Oh god.

622
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 2: Like an award and not what every hack and grifter

623
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: in the aughts and fucking early twenty teens did a

624
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: fucking TED talk, Like I think we can us olds

625
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: remember when there seemed to be some prestige around ted talks,

626
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: But a lot of it was just a con. You know.

627
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: A lot of it is how a lot of grifters grifted.

628
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: Particularly ted X, which is like, yeah, yeah, Sophia was

629
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: reminding me so much of like how we were encouraged

630
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: to dress in high school and college. We're like, I'll

631
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: look at a picture of myself at nineteen and be like,

632
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: why am I dressed like I'm fifty years old?

633
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: Why am I wearing business casual?

634
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: To the frack we all dressed in business casual.

635
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: I should have been dressing like a huge slut, and

636
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: it was just such a missed opportunity.

637
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: I have the exact same regret, Jamie.

638
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: But you know what, there's always time we could do that.

639
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: I dressed as a huge slut for that period of time,

640
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: which means I only wore ed hardy shirts, my pants

641
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: ed hardy shirts, my underwear ed hardy shirts, my ed

642
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: heart are your shirts actually not for Bett Hardy anyway.

643
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: That's the sluttiest thing a man could do at one time.

644
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: So Jamie and I are out here in our.

645
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: Ann Taylor law.

646
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: That's right, just like older.

647
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: Than my mother. There truly are pictures of me as

648
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: a teenager where I think I look older than I

649
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: do now. It's so bizarre.

650
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: Time I will find a pantsuit pic. I mean, like

651
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: a little pant suit skirt picture that will ruin your day.

652
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: There was a period of time. Yeah, we just thought that,

653
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: like everyone was kind of dressed like Hillary Clinton. You know,

654
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: if only, if only that had taken over.

655
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton wishes. She found this outfit that I definitely

656
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: got from H and M on sale.

657
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

658
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: So, while Nicole was absent from the two different warehouses

659
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: that her cult members lived in over the years, she

660
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: was always present in spirit. And by that I mean

661
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: Nicole picked who slept in each bed. She had like

662
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: a seating chart for beds in the commune spaces, and

663
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: she would decide who was sleeping with who and paired

664
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: with who is a research partner and for all that.

665
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: Nicole over the years she would sometimes date women and

666
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: she would portray herself. And one taste is very queer

667
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: positive because it's the aughts and the twenty teens in

668
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 2: the bay and you have to. But despite all that,

669
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: one tastes, teaching and practice were very heteronormative and very

670
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: much like anti queer in a lot of ways.

671
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: Well, even what how she was talking about sex and

672
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 3: orgasms felt just yeah, like because she's ultimately her customers

673
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 3: are men.

674
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: Right, yes, exactly exactly, so I mean well not, I

675
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: mean there are like she does have to get a

676
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: certain number of like female like customers buying in and

677
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: getting into the cult because she needs to use their

678
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: bodies in order to further the business. So it is

679
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: true that and we've talked about this, right, Like in

680
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: the last episode, I showed you this was kind of

681
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: the pitches she's making it to a lot of these women,

682
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: But it is they like, the money part of the

683
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: cult is entirely focused at selling to men, right. She

684
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: has to sell one taste to women to get the

685
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: workforce that she then basically traffics to get the money

686
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: from the guys. Right, So there is kind of a

687
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: two part aspect of it, I guess, which is important

688
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: to see.

689
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: The name never gets easier to hear.

690
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: I have to say, it's always upsetting. So as I

691
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: was saying men, it is very heteronormative, like the actual

692
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: cults teaching, and Nicole is like kind of really anti

693
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: queer past a certain point, men and women are always

694
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: pretty much paired together as far as I can tell,

695
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: and Nicole would even break up existing queer relationships when

696
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: people joined the group in order to pair them with

697
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 2: opposite sex partners because she doesn't think queer relationships are real.

698
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: The bleakest example of this is probably the story of

699
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: two One Taste members, Jamie and Caitlin. They are a

700
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 2: lesbian couple who were drawn.

701
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: Hold On said, look, I can tell you I fake names.

702
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: I think these are fake names that I believe because

703
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: I found this account from Ellen Hewitt's book Empirate of Orgasm.

704
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: I think she's using pseudonyms for these people, right.

705
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: I think she's a or she wants I don't know.

706
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: These are sympathetic people. So Jamie and Caitlyn. This, Jamie

707
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: and Caitlyn are a lesbian couple who get into One Taste.

708
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: They're like teenagers, they're young adults, very young adults, and

709
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: they're broke, and so they're both obviously interested in female

710
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: pleasure because they're lesbians. But they also don't have any money,

711
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: and so being able to live for free in the

712
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: bay and this warehouse seems kind of rad as soon

713
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: as they move in, and again they move in as

714
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: a as a partnership, as a unit. Nicole tells them, well,

715
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: this this all is about exploration. We're all trying to grow,

716
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: and you're not going to grow if you just stay

717
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: with like the partner that you like, and you're not

718
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: going to grow as a queer woman. You can't grow

719
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: by just having sex with the people you're attracted to.

720
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: You can only grow by by having male partners. That's

721
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: the only way to grow as a queer one, right,

722
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: and so you should you need where you need to

723
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: experiment with your sexuality by letting men oweim you, right

724
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: and eventually by having sex with men. Now, in public,

725
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: o wiming is all that one taste is about, and

726
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: in public owim is described in almost asexual terms because

727
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: they really want to avoid the allegations that they're just

728
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 2: trafficking and sex. But within the actual commune, people aren't

729
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: just oimming two times a day in the morning and

730
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: two times at night. They're being commanded buying a cold

731
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: to have intercourse. Right when she's pairing people up for beds.

732
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: Those aren't just your om partners. You're ordered to fuck them.

733
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 2: And so Caitlin and Jamie are paired with dudes in

734
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: the cult, often with dudes you know, maybe who have

735
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: some money that are that that Nicole wants to make

736
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: sure stay right. But they're told they have to fuck

737
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 2: dudes to level up. Basically in order to like gain

738
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: XP in this cult system, in order to make your

739
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: orgasm more powerful, you have to do these things that

740
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 2: you're physically uncomfortable with because you're not into guys. I'm

741
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: gonna quote.

742
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: From well at this point, are Jamie and Caitlin as

743
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 3: an ally to both are Are Jamie and Caitlin paying

744
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: for this? Or are they quote unquote being paid in

745
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 3: free logic?

746
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: Like how there what they're being paid? I think mostly

747
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: in free life, I think because a lot of members

748
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: do pay, but a lot of the ones who don't

749
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: are the women, especially the younger women, and these two

750
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: are broke, so I don't think they now maybe because

751
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: they are getting some money when they're working for the company,

752
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: but it's it's very uneven and those one taste will

753
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: switch up what you're being paid at the last minute,

754
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: and often you're feeding that right back into the company.

755
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: So to that extent, maybe they're being given money that

756
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: they then have to Yeah, I'm not sure how it

757
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: works for every individual person. It's kind of out different

758
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: for everybody, depending on your position and what Nicole is

759
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: getting out of you. Right, But to quote from the

760
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: book Empire of Orgasm, Jamie said that in courses she

761
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: heard a repeated message, all women are hungry for cock.

762
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: If you're not feeling cock hungry, you're not connected to

763
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: a part of yourself. Right. This is very anti queer. Now,

764
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: eventually both women start having sex with male members of

765
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: the group, and this is psychologically devastating to Jamie, who

766
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: started to feel like her desire for her girlfriend or

767
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: the woman because they're broke. They've been broken up forcibly

768
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: by now, but the person who had been her girlfriend

769
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: was wrong. She convinces herself to push on because Nicole

770
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: keeps teaching her resistance is key to growth, and she

771
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: really admires Nicole, and she also needs this place to live. Experiences,

772
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: Nicole tells Jamie, aren't good or bad for you. Experiences

773
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: aren't good or bad at all. You choose. It's the meaning.

774
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: So you are, if you're deciding that this is an

775
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: unpleasant sexual experience, that's because you made a choice. You

776
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: could choose for it to be a good one. Why

777
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: aren't you choosing for it to be a good one? Right, right?

778
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: The fucking abusive this.

779
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: Logic, this is just like yeah, and all under and

780
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: it still sort of falls under the like early twenty

781
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: tens definition of like being pro woman is. I mean,

782
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 3: you could even extend this to like Cheryl Sandberg logic

783
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 3: of like it is your fault that you are feeling

784
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: oppressed and abused, and it is on you to behave

785
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: the right way to be accepted in this environment.

786
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: Yep, And there's bits of all there's bits of the

787
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: secret in there, right, you just have to change your

788
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: attitude and you can change reality. And you can see

789
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: both how people don't necessarily pick this out as poisonous initially,

790
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: but also how running with this logic, the obvious instate

791
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: of this is that like, there's no such thing as rape. Ever,

792
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: if experiences are not bad or good, there can't be

793
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: such a thing as rape. You are choosing to be

794
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: raped if you're raped, because you're choosing to interpret that

795
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: as a bad experience. This is directly in those words

796
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: what Nicole will eventually be teaching her followers, right and

797
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: not I'm so, I know it's really bad.

798
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: Like that is Yeah, that's horrifict It's so real. It's

799
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: oh god, it's like that. Even in the way she's

800
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: like the number of like pressure points she's attempting to

801
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: attack is like she's sort of telling people to dissociate,

802
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: but also telling them that, like the failure to do so,

803
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: or the failure to feel pleasure or pleasure doesn't exist

804
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: because its abuse is a personal failure. But it also

805
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: sounds like she's like, well, if you don't like it,

806
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 3: then just pretend you're a person who likes it.

807
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretend you're a person who likes it. Why why

808
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: can't you do that? And it's you'll, well, well yeah,

809
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, we'll keep talking. So in time, Jamie

810
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: becomes a coach and she starts to see success in

811
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: the organization, and this success, the fact that she's moving

812
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: up the ladder, so to speak, validates is like the

813
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: first she because again, this is a young queer woman

814
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: who doesn't have a lot of life experience. You've seen

815
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: I think had a pretty rough background, and so this

816
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: is like the first validation she's gotten as an adult person.

817
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: So she becomes extremely loyal, even though this is she's

818
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: been horribly abused by this cult, which is a common

819
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 2: cold story, right sure. Yeah. So then in twenty twelve,

820
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: Nicole calls Jamie and Caitlin in for a little one

821
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: on one and she informs them she's breaking up with Reese,

822
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: the Silicon Valley millionaire who had kept the cult alive

823
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: through its bad years. But she still owes him a

824
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: lot of money from all the you know, because he's

825
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: calling in basically you know, the loans he'd given them, the.

826
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 3: Amount of like discarded one taste guys at this point

827
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: could like unionize.

828
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: And it she hasn't. I don't fully understand the financials here.

829
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: She does not discard him. Some reports I've said, suggest

830
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: that she repays him by twenty twelve, that she's repaid

831
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 2: him for like the million dollars that he loans the COLT.

832
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 2: But that's when this is all happening, And that doesn't

833
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 2: entirely line up with this, because this suggests she's still

834
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: getting some money from him in twenty twelve. I don't

835
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: fully know, and I don't claim to know at which

836
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: point was Reese giving the Colt money, which point was

837
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: Rees receiving money, But whatever the case, at this point

838
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, she still wants to keep Reese in

839
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: the fold, even though she's breaking up with him, right

840
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: because she tells Nicole, I'm not gonna I have to

841
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: move to Los Angeles because I've important work to do there,

842
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: which is she's trying to find more rich guys. Right,

843
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: But Reese needs a handler, and I've been his handler

844
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: for the last, you know, several years. And in my place,

845
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: I need you two to be Reese's handlers so that

846
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: I can move on to Los Angeles. And here's how

847
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: Ellen Hewitt describes what happens next. Jamie paused everything she

848
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: learned up to this point had primed her to say

849
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: yes to the position, and to do so willingly, idolizing Nicole,

850
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: becoming accustomed to having sex with me, and to having

851
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: sex with any kind of man, getting off on any stroke.

852
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: Being told that she should provide anything to help the company.

853
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: Plus being asked to be Reese's handler felt like an honor.

854
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: Jamie knew that only a few women in One Tastes

855
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: history had held the same position. They were often Nicole's confidants,

856
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: an admired group. She also knew the unspoken threat. The

857
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: consequence of saying no is that you would be ostracized, ignored,

858
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: and stripped of all your power in that world. Jamie said, So,

859
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: I want to be clear that last bit, the fact

860
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: that if you displease Nicole, if you like wind up

861
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: on the outskirts, you'll be kicked out. You'll lose everything

862
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: that you've gotten from this world. That is something she

863
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: directly tells people during lectures after everyone has experienced orgasmic meditation,

864
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: When folks, you're in this powerful cathartic afterglow, she will

865
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: tell them. This is a direct quote from one of

866
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 2: her sessions. That's why this place is called one taste.

867
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: Once you've tasted being inside of yourself and knowing yourself,

868
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: there is some part of your soul that will always

869
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: crawl to get back. The truth is, if you get

870
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 2: kicked out, your soul will never relax again. She's very

871
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: direct about this.

872
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and she's also like just describing chasing

873
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: a drag.

874
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: And chasing a high. And one of the things when

875
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: this becomes a quirky people say no one was ever

876
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: forced to have sex with anyone. No one was ever

877
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: forced to stay, and they weren't. They were just heavily

878
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 2: coerced and basically told that life will be like a gray,

879
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: colorless hell of an experience if you get forced out

880
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 2: of this group because you fuck this rich guy, right.

881
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: You're like, well, yeah, maybe then in that case we

882
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 3: should expand the definition a little bit.

883
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: So by twenty twelve, One Taste has totally come around

884
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: to becoming like seen as a tech startup, to fashioning

885
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: itself that way. Her followers in public face and communications

886
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: are talking less about all the crazy parties and a

887
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: lot more about how Nicole is like a philosopher but

888
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: also like a Steve Jobs figure.

889
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 3: Right, what is she selling you though? Like, what is

890
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: the product exactly?

891
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: Or has any power? Magic?

892
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: God? Oh, I guess, I guess it's at least we're

893
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 3: not having children overseas manufacturing customs.

894
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: Sure, jesus. So in the years after twenty twelve, you know,

895
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: One Taste finally gets in the black right. It had

896
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: been struggling. It had been utterly reliant upon these like

897
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: infusions of cash from these rich dudes, and that's not

898
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: really the case, I mean kind of. After twenty twelve,

899
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: it's it's it's profitable. After twenty twelve, the money is

900
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: still coming from like rich guys we're paying for sex,

901
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 2: right sure, but not one rich not one rich guy,

902
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: and not her saying hey, I need a loan, and

903
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: it's her instead selling courses to these guys. Right, So

904
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: it's no longer loan. It's like it is a profitable

905
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 2: business after this point. In fact, a quite profitable business.

906
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: One Taste not only repays Reese, but it starts to

907
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: succeed on its own, raking in millions a year. And

908
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: they do this. They make this switch in large part

909
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: by copying something Nicole had seen from the yoga industry.

910
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: So during the first part of the twenty first century,

911
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: a lot of yoga studios begin offering teacher training. Now

912
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: this qualifies somebody to teach a different kind of yoga.

913
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 2: Most attendees who do teach your training don't become yoga

914
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: teachers because there's not that many yoga teacher jobs, and

915
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: so it's often they're doing it for self improvement. It's

916
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: being pitched as like a well you take to teach

917
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: your class because it makes you that much better, right,

918
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: And these are expense and there's and I'm not if

919
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: you do if you like, that's fine, right whatever. There

920
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: are some cults within yoga, but also it's fine to

921
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 2: pay money to get better at a thing that you

922
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: like to do. Right, I'm not shitting on it.

923
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I s receive a gentle touch from

924
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: a beautiful woman. This is what I mean when it's like,

925
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: we all got our toes in the call.

926
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: Right, a little bit piece, and so she takes that

927
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: idea and moves it over to one taste. So she

928
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: starts selling teaching courses and this is like, this will

929
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: certify you to teach om and to do classes of

930
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: your own right. And there's often more advanced because there's

931
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: there's endless layers and endless Every teacher always wants to

932
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: be you have to be up on the latest thing.

933
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 2: So every year there's a new class about the stuff

934
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: that you have to get to stay certified. And it's

935
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 2: another five to ten thousand dollars. Right, these are multi

936
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: day courses. Again, these are a lot of these are

937
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: hugely expensive.

938
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 3: And I'm assuming that the teacher is the teacher. Training

939
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 3: also includes abuse.

940
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean yes, like that like big sure yes.

941
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: Now Nicole had offered a coaching program since twenty twelve,

942
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: and this takes off. It's successfully, they make money of it,

943
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: so increasingly One Taste pours all of its efforts into

944
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: either hosting coaching classes or selling them. Right, They recruit

945
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: a huge crop of students in twenty twelve, and eventually

946
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: they are going to license or whatever, more than thirteen

947
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: hundred people as home coaches, each of whom have paid

948
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: probably well in access of ten grand to get to

949
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: that point, right, in some cases much more. The company

950
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: starts turning a profit in twenty thirteen, and before long

951
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: they are making a surprising amount of money. Olbrigan's bringing

952
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: in celebrity guests to provide a sheen of legitimacy. They

953
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: start doing cult events. They have these like One Taste

954
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 2: Mastery for which are like these big you know, they're

955
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: these like conferences and stuff for the One Taste family

956
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 2: for all the people who were coaches. Because now there's

957
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: One Taste houses in different states, they're starting to fill up,

958
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: and people are doing classes outside of the Bay Area.

959
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: So they're doing these courses, and she's hiring celebrities to

960
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: like talk to everybody at the start of these like

961
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: three day and five day events. For one event in

962
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, she hires doctor Joscelyn Elders, the former Attorney General,

963
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: who tells students you are part of a new sexual revolution. Great,

964
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,959
Speaker 2: thank you, Jocelyn. Wow. I'm sure she just cast the jetway.

965
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: It is always wild hearing these celebrities that you that

966
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 3: cult managed to back for things like this. It's a

967
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: it's a good reminder that people are desperate for attention

968
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: and refuse to do even a basic level of research.

969
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: Of course, not that's offensive. So I want to show

970
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: you guys an example of an ad for one Tastes

971
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: Mastery program, which is one of their like really advanced,

972
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: you know, certifications. So Sophia is going to play that

973
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 2: for us.

974
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: Now looks like the masterclass logo.

975
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, it does the very tech logo.

976
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: Master class master something else.

977
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: It's like, this is a course in how to open

978
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: your sex life.

979
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: It's a way for you to research what your actual

980
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: boundaries are.

981
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 5: I like to make sure that my whole mouth, my.

982
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 2: Whole tones without boundaries.

983
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: And it takes sex to a whole new paradigm. I

984
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: learned how to slow down and actually feel everything that's

985
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: happening versus constantly being in my life.

986
00:50:51,760 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, looks great.

987
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: Okay.

988
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 2: I love that. One of their quotes is.

989
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: Sex about boundaries. Now there's at least three phrases present

990
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: in the advertising that could plausibly describe assault. Energetic sex

991
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 3: also feels kind of like a line also with all

992
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 3: of these, I mean, I guess something that like feels

993
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 3: like a big other than like the techification of this

994
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: sex cult. It's like been decades since this has been

995
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 3: accessible to anyone who doesn't have an insane amount of

996
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 3: disposable because like the original.

997
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: Is going to be trafficked, right yeah.

998
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: Right, where it's like the the the earlier sex cults

999
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 3: were like at least you could beat, you could be

1000
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: trafficked as someone who doesn't have a lot of money

1001
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 3: laying around, Yeah right yeah. The cuts to rooms full

1002
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: of white people with bad haircuts really does kind of

1003
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: pull it all into foe of like, what's going on here? God,

1004
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: that's so bleak.

1005
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: It's really yeah. Yeah, isn't that remarkable? It's so mlm me,

1006
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: it's so yeah, I I it's it's really upsetting to me,

1007
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: it's upsetting, like again coming out of like the sex positive,

1008
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: you know community, the kink community, like the idea that

1009
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: anyone could hear the phrase sex without boundaries and not

1010
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: immediately be like, whoa wait a second, what are you

1011
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: talking about? What do you mean by that? Because that's

1012
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: a that's a dangerous phrase.

1013
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: Right, and it feels so that's why it's like going

1014
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 3: back to the New York Times article, like it's so

1015
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 3: clearly preying on people who don't have basic, a basic understanding,

1016
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 3: and it's just how they imagine like non vanilla sect

1017
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 3: to work, right, non vanilla sex to work.

1018
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: That video really really really reminded me of nexium.

1019
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very similar, and I didn't catch this until

1020
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: right now, But honestly, that's part of what's most upsetting

1021
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 2: to me about all of this is that she's almost

1022
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: set this up to be like a flies web in

1023
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: between people who like are know that they want more

1024
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: out of like sex than they're getting, know that like

1025
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: maybe what they weren't educated, they didn't get a good

1026
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: enough educating like what sex could be. They want more

1027
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 2: out of like their relationships than they feel like they're getting,

1028
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: and there is like a sex positive, a kink community

1029
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: where people like aren't trying to like just take your

1030
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: money and abuse you, where you can like learn stuff

1031
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: like that if you're into that. And she's created like

1032
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: the spider's web in front of it to ensnare people,

1033
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: But in a way that is very much different because

1034
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: like if you were to like every kink community, every

1035
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 2: kink event that I have ever been to, starts and

1036
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: a lot of like education, and that starts with boundaries

1037
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: and boundaries setting. And the importance is not sex without boundaries.

1038
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 2: The importance is knowing what your boundaries are and having

1039
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 2: ways to make sure everyone else knows them and that

1040
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 2: you're communicating them and that you can like that's what's important.

1041
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: Like the it's so fucked up to create this thing

1042
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: that is meant to almost like stand in between that

1043
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: and people who are curious in order to ensnare and

1044
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 2: hurt them very much. What's happening, Hey.

1045
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: Jamie, is Barbie naked behind you?

1046
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 3: Is Barbie naked behind me? No, she's wearing a painted

1047
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 3: on body suit.

1048
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: Oh okay, great, I was just making sure I used

1049
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: to use her on stage.

1050
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 3: But she does have a body suit painted on the doll. Great, great,

1051
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 3: thanks for trying to add Robert.

1052
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: Now that I have checked in on Barbie, it is

1053
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: time for an ad.

1054
00:54:53,560 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should do an ad break, Okay, all right,

1055
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: and we're back.

1056
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 3: So I just just sort of closing the loop on

1057
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 3: talking about kink where like I feel like truly kink

1058
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 3: communities are our best communicators, like it, and it makes

1059
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: me really sad, like you're saying, to see people who

1060
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 3: are seeking something out and then very likely getting scarred

1061
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: to the point where sex at all is going to

1062
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 3: be definitely traumatized. Yeah, but at least they were parted

1063
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 3: with ten thousand dollars in the process.

1064
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, at least that happens, right.

1065
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1066
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: So, as the most expensive courses went from thousands to

1067
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars and the big money started

1068
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: rolling in, much of what the early members had loved

1069
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: about life in the cult changed. The clatoral massages were

1070
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 2: still a part of life there, but members now were

1071
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: not called researchers. In fact, there's like a big announcement

1072
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 2: that like you're no longer researchers, You're now employees. And

1073
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: now in fact most of you are salesman. Most of

1074
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: you are like doing calling, right, Like, your job is

1075
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: to call people and try to get them to take classes, right, Like,

1076
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: that's the new business is selling and teaching classes. You're

1077
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 2: no longer We did the research, we figured it out, right,

1078
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: the experiments over. So they moved to a new warehouse

1079
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: which has semi private rooms, and yeah, everybody sales people now.

1080
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: In order to justify this change, Nicole tells her followers

1081
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: the universe is made of love. Sales is love. Therefore,

1082
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: the universe is made of sales.

1083
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: Okay, honestly, based on the level of cruelty and evil

1084
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 3: she's capable of. She's half assing it with this.

1085
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: She's half assing it. That's lazy. That's lazy. I'm sorry.

1086
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 3: If sales is love and love huh.

1087
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: Really, Nicole, that's what we're going with. Uh. God, it's

1088
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: a measure of her charisma that no one leaves on

1089
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: the spot after hearing that.

1090
00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 5: Sure.

1091
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 3: So.

1092
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: One of Nicole's most valuable members and employees during this period,

1093
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: there's a young man named Sayid who first gets drawn

1094
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: into the group because he was in love with somebody.

1095
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: He goes to like a class and he falls in

1096
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 2: love with someone who lives at the warehouse named Maya,

1097
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: and he basically tells Maya, Hey, I've got a crush

1098
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: on you, and she's like, well, if you're into me,

1099
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: the best way for us to hang out is for

1100
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: you to take more classes here, and eventually he winds

1101
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 2: up moving in. Now said is a really conventionally attractive guy, right,

1102
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: and he starts being used as a lure by Nicole

1103
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: and Rachel, who's like her head of sales. This woman

1104
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: Rachel and like the other people running the cold said

1105
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: both as like maybe a way to get off themselves,

1106
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: but also, here's a really hot guy. We can use

1107
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: him to bring in both hot women that we want

1108
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: to work and join the cult, but also maybe older

1109
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: women who have money to spend on expensive classes and

1110
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: they want to be paired with this hot dude. Right.

1111
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: So a separate part of internal one taste culture. As

1112
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: I've said before, these like circular meetings where people will,

1113
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: you know, one way the other the purpose is for

1114
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: you to get insulted and mocked and derided and have

1115
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: like a cathartic experience. Right. So people will sit around

1116
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 2: and ask the whole questions and she'll answer them and

1117
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: like coach them and say this is what that question

1118
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: tells me about you. Right. During one of these sessions,

1119
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: she focuses on Sayed, and she asks him, why do

1120
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: you think so many of the women here like being

1121
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: paired with you? Sayid? And here's how Ellen Hewitt describes

1122
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: what happens next. Because I'm willing to violate them, he

1123
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: started to say. A murmur of surprise shot through the

1124
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: room as Sayid remembers it, and then the students started cheering.

1125
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: He was cut off, but he had wanted to say,

1126
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: I know how to violate them in ways they want

1127
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: to take them to their edge, but I also don't

1128
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: make them feel taken advantage of or left empty or

1129
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: not held afterwards. All he got to, though, was violate.

1130
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: After that, everyone started calling him the violator. Another one

1131
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: Taste executives decided she would call him the fucker. That

1132
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 2: says a lot both that they love that term because

1133
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 2: they love the aggression. That's a bigger and bigger part

1134
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: of it is that like aggression is good, some violence

1135
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: is good.

1136
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 3: Right, sex without boundaries? Yeah, that is I That is

1137
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 3: not how I thought that anecdote was gonna go.

1138
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: Nope, that no, it is.

1139
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: Really I thought I genuinely thought it was going to

1140
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 3: be people who were becoming uncomfortable interjecting and being like, yeah,

1141
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 3: that is what it feels like, but it's doubling down

1142
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: and saying like, so we're just deep enough in at

1143
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 3: this point where it is sexually violent and were and

1144
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 3: I'm shocked at how willing they are to say it.

1145
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 2: They're willing to say it. And the craziest thing to

1146
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 2: me is, at least if this is being reported accurately

1147
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: by Hewett and I have no reason to believe it's

1148
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: not sure the violator is the one being violated here,

1149
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: right because after Nicole here's this, she loves this as

1150
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: a branding thing, and she uses Sayid as she starts

1151
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: calling him their hook, literally their hook, because he will

1152
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: pull women into the company's classes and gatherings and there's

1153
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: a lot of women who like our or you know,

1154
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: maybe want to explore that kind of thing and maybe

1155
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: wants to explore some more aggressive stuff. SAYI doesn't want that.

1156
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: Though he doesn't actually like being the violator. He doesn't

1157
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: like being called in to do all of these like

1158
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: violent and aggressive sex acts in order for Nicole to

1159
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: make more money. But she keeps telling him to go

1160
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: do go, be the violator again, go do that this

1161
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: other that. We've got this other woman who wants it

1162
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: and is willing to pay if you'll like spend some

1163
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: time with her. Right and Nicole keeps asking him to

1164
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: go further and further. She signs him to have sex

1165
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: with a one Taste executive named Emma, who thought the

1166
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 2: violator sounded hot, and she starts using him to rev

1167
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: her up. Is her words before speaking events, She'll she'll

1168
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: make him come in and masturbate her, and then she'll

1169
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: go out to give a speech. On another instance, one

1170
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: of Nicole's top lieutenant's Rachel, who's also ordering Sayid to

1171
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 2: have sex with her, periodically orders him to have sex

1172
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: with another female cult member. He refuses, and Rachel calls

1173
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: him an ungrateful, petulant brat and shouts at him and

1174
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: gets everyone else in the compound shouting at him until

1175
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: he agrees to go upstairs and do it again. So

1176
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: he's not forced to have sex exactly, He's just berated

1177
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: and mocked and ostracized when he doesn't.

1178
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 3: Right, he is for staves.

1179
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: He is to be I would say he is be

1180
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: but like but in terms of the people who defend

1181
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: this will be like, well he could have left. He

1182
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: was a big guy. Why I didn't know it was

1183
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: stopping him, right, because there's not a great Yeah.

1184
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 3: It is wild. How I mean, how Nicole is you know,

1185
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 3: doing classics like she's she's going full Darvaux and and

1186
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 3: then like, I mean, like all calls like that there.

1187
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 3: It seems like a lot of why this is working

1188
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 3: is not only is she preying on you know, probably

1189
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 3: his masculinity, but also that berating is a part of

1190
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: the culture, so no one would flinch at someone being rated.

1191
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: That is a part of it, and it's celebrated. She

1192
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 2: talks a lot about people needing to have sharp scalpels,

1193
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: and that she celebrates that we all have sharp scalpels,

1194
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: which means we're good at cutting each other. It's good

1195
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 2: to cut each other. We need to do that. It

1196
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: makes it stronger. These are this is Nicole's literal language. Right.

1197
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 3: You just fought like someone in the room to have

1198
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 3: a moment of lucidity and be like, sorry, what is

1199
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 3: the goal? No, why don't we start doing this? It's yeah, God,

1200
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 3: that is that's really I mean.

1201
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: It's pretty bleak, yes, yep, So like a lot of

1202
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 2: one Taste cult members say it is also queer. He's bisexual,

1203
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 2: and at one point he admits interest to a man

1204
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: to Rachel and she allegedly calls him the F word

1205
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: and forces him out of her bed. So again, this

1206
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 2: is a very like queer phobic, anti queer environment too

1207
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 2: for the people living in it. By the late twenty teens,

1208
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 2: One Taste was more profitable than ever and had transitioned

1209
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: entirely to depicting itself as a Silicon Valley startup. People

1210
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: had once been researchers exploring the frontiers of desire and

1211
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: sexual power are now operating a call center, spending days

1212
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: at a time awake, struggling to hit aggressive sales targets.

1213
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: Nicole successfully convinced many of them that selling and buying

1214
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: courses was the infinite game. Talk a lot about games, right,

1215
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: This is very much coming out of these other cults, right, yeah.

1216
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 3: Well, and infinite growth because we're in Celebrat.

1217
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: Valley, Silicon Valley, and anything was justifiable as long as

1218
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 2: you had to keep the game going. Right. Per an

1219
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: article in Bloomberg, Quote, One Taste taught members that money

1220
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 2: is just an emotional obstacle. It encouraged students to take

1221
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 2: out multiple credit cards to pay for courses, and some

1222
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 2: turn to such sites as go fund me and prosper

1223
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: funding for help. The first time I didn't cover my

1224
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 2: credit card bill, it broke something in my mind, says

1225
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: ruined Mippelaga, who went to his first one Taste event

1226
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve at age twenty four, worked for the

1227
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 2: company for about two years and left owing thirty thousand

1228
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: dollars on his credit cards. I was no longer afraid

1229
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: of debt, he says. Once you break that barrier, three

1230
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: thousand is the same as thirty thousand. At one point,

1231
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: Mipelaga complained that he and his coworkers hadn't been paid

1232
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: in two months. He says he was publicly shamed for

1233
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 2: having a scarcity mindset.

1234
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: Oh every other hot button phrase that's constantly misused.

1235
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: Nice love it.

1236
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: Three thousand is very different than thirty thousand, very much so,

1237
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: my guy, now ten times three thousand, Actually.

1238
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, soie.

1239
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 2: None of its real money. And you're like in an LLM,

1240
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: you're always being told, what, what's the big deal? You're

1241
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 2: gonna pay ten grand? This will make you so much better,

1242
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: It will open you up you'll make that much so

1243
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: much more money than that give itself fully right, right,

1244
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: it's an investment, you know now the art that Bloomberg

1245
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: article was published by Hewitt, the author of the book

1246
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: Empire of Orgasm, in June of twenty eighteen. She was

1247
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: not the first reporter to write critically about one Taste,

1248
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 2: but she was the first to write critically about one

1249
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 2: taste and have it matter. The vast majority of mainstream

1250
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: reporting on the company, as it was generally described, was

1251
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: bemused but open minded. In fact, if you want a

1252
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: really good study in journalism versus pr you should read

1253
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: that first two thousand and eight New York Times a

1254
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 2: article the Pleasure Principle, and then Hewitt's article. Now, I

1255
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 2: think the best example of this is how the Times

1256
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: wrote about Vic Baranco, the Morehouse founder. That's like one

1257
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: of the earlier orgasm cults. This is the guy you

1258
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: like to crush women's vaginas with his hands when he

1259
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: was in a bad mood. Here's how the described Vic

1260
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 2: Morehouse's founder. Vic Baranco was a former appliance salesman who

1261
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: called his philosophy responsible hedonism. By some accounts, mister Baronco,

1262
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: who died in two thousand and two, used coercive techniques

1263
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: of mind control. It was a huge ego crushing machine,

1264
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 2: as any valid monastic tradition is. Said a man who

1265
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: lived at more House more than twenty years and did

1266
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 2: not want to be identified, And like, that's all you

1267
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: guys had about More How really, that's all you had

1268
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 2: the New York Times, that's all you needed to say

1269
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 2: about him, you.

1270
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 3: Thought, I mean, the New York Times is stand out

1271
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 3: for this, but it's God, I mean, it's it's a

1272
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 3: lesson that no one ever seems to learn. And even

1273
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 3: I mean, that's amazing that, uh that the article that

1274
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 3: came out eventually did, because that had to probably be

1275
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 3: hard to get through, Like you just have to have

1276
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 3: an editor that actually cares about stuff in order to

1277
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 3: get that done. I don't know, I'm sure we all have,

1278
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,479
Speaker 3: Like I have like three Los Angeles cult adjacent things

1279
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 3: that you're just like, well, I guess we'll just see

1280
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 3: if a journalist bandages to get it through at some point.

1281
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: But it's that's thankfully one did, right Hwan did you know?

1282
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: And not only for this article? She'd get dozens of

1283
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: brutal accounts inside life of life inside One Taste accounts

1284
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 2: that The Times could have got some of them, at

1285
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 2: least The Times could have gotten but not only to that.

1286
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: She forces One Taste in this article to address the

1287
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: worst allegations of abuse. Vlan Vleck, who is the CEO

1288
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 2: of One Taste in twenty eighteen, admitted to her we

1289
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: took money from people that we shouldn't have. Right, So

1290
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: she even gets just within the article before the backlash

1291
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 2: to it, she gets them to like, oh, yeah, you

1292
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: know what, this lady has our number that we have

1293
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: to cop to some shit. So by the late twenty teens,

1294
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 2: One Touch had spread to a number of other countries.

1295
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: This started with Nicole ordering specific offices opened first in

1296
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 2: New York and then in Austin, La London. But also

1297
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of independent One Taste houses that are

1298
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: being established all over the country. Per the book Empire

1299
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 2: of Orgasm, almost five hundred One Taste students would live

1300
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 2: in thirty three different om houses. This informal network mimic

1301
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 2: the way many Silicon Valley tech startups were metastasizing rapidly

1302
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 2: from city to city. Uber Lift, Instacart, and other on

1303
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: demand companies prided themselves on blitz scaling and operating with

1304
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 2: little overhead or liability. To avoid getting dragged down by

1305
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 2: employment costs, the startups hired drivers as as independent contractors

1306
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: and required them to provide their own cars and equipment. Similarly,

1307
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 2: many of one TAS's sales workers were independent contractors paid

1308
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: on commission. It's all the Silicon Valley grift, right, Hey, Yeah.

1309
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 3: It's a classic grift, and it's kind of a creative

1310
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 3: grift in that there is actually no real product, Like

1311
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 3: the overhead couldn't be lower because what you're selling is assault.

1312
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of that, when Nicole had established the second

1313
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: warehouse commune, you know, they move out of the first

1314
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 2: on folshomen into another one. This is the one that

1315
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 2: has like semi private rooms, which seems like a positive move.

1316
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: But when they move into this place, Nicle makes it

1317
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 2: be the rule that none of the bedroom should have

1318
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 2: locking doors. And after this point, all of these om

1319
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 2: house franchises around the country abide by this rule to

1320
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 2: disastrous effect. Now, periodically throughout this long journey, Nicole and

1321
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 2: her top lieutenants would experiment with broadening the curriculum. On

1322
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 2: several occasions, the attempted to create male versions of the

1323
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 2: platoral stimulation workshops right where you're trying to teach people

1324
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 2: how to give a handshob Really well, I guess, and

1325
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 2: this never works out as a business. Nobody, for some reason,

1326
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 2: nobody wants to tell classes.

1327
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 3: It's just so that really funny.

1328
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 2: It's funny. No one interested at all in the dick

1329
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 2: version of this. If you tried to tell people that, like, no,

1330
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: the penile orgasm is actually a sacred and magical get

1331
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here, Get the fuck out of here.

1332
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 3: No, it's God.

1333
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 2: You can't sell that. I'm sorry, nobody's No.

1334
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 3: That's too free, that's too free. You cannot.

1335
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 2: Dudes are so screwed up. You want me to make money,

1336
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: and that ways is to make people stop coming. Like

1337
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 2: you can convince people there's magic and never coming, right,

1338
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: but you can't convince people that, like a dick is magic.

1339
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 3: It's not. If it was, we would know by now,

1340
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 3: we would certainly know.

1341
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 2: God, Okay, it's very funny to me. And the reason

1342
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 2: Hewitt gives for I like these classes never take off

1343
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 2: is that one touch is a to recruit young women,

1344
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 2: both to pay for classes and to provide the sexual

1345
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 2: labor crucial to the organizations. Focusing doesn't work, they're less interested.

1346
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 2: If there's also hand job classes, that makes this seem

1347
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: like something else. If it's all focused on just people

1348
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 2: with vaginas being massaged, right, and if that's the only

1349
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 2: thing that's happening, you can convince yourself this is like

1350
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 2: really women led and like women positive. If like there's

1351
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 2: also jerkoff classes that doesn't work, that's just not a

1352
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: good self.

1353
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 3: And so the jerkoff classes being completely unprofitable is incidental,

1354
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 3: super funny, that's so good.

1355
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 2: So a lot of like a lot of these people

1356
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 2: are comfortable being massage taking an om because they're being

1357
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 2: told the men are not getting any sexual gratification out

1358
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 2: of this, right, So if you add any kind of

1359
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 2: male sexual gratification classes in there, even though a lot

1360
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 2: of men are getting gratified, that's kind of how the

1361
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 2: money is being made. You have to hide that stuff.

1362
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 2: So earlier in the episodes, we talked about a guy

1363
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 2: named Ken Blackman. He was a former member of the

1364
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 2: Welcomed Consensus Orgasm cult who once punched a lady because

1365
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 2: he had been taught that violence was a kind of

1366
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 2: honest communication. Nicole eventually recruits this guy as a teacher

1367
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 2: because she knew him at the Welcomed Consensus and because

1368
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 2: she's reintroducing a lot of these Welcomed Consensus curriculum about

1369
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 2: like violence into the one Taste curriculum, and she changes

1370
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 2: the way they frame it and her words. The way

1371
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: she describes this, The term she likes to use is

1372
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 2: skillful violation, and skillful violation means that you know it's

1373
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 2: better for someone to push through their boundaries even if

1374
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 2: they say no, so you don't listen to the no.

1375
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: You violate them even though they say no, because you're

1376
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 2: skillful enough to know that they actually need to have

1377
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 2: their boundaries violated. Right, Curia is.

1378
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 3: What your opinions are on this, Like, is why is

1379
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 3: it escalating towards such absurd word violence?

1380
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 2: Because there's nowhere else for it to go, right, it's.

1381
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 3: Just escalating it to like how can I retain control?

1382
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 3: And eventually it just becomes fear tactics.

1383
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 2: That's right. If you're honestly trying to help people be

1384
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 2: more sex positive or like teach them kink stuff, there

1385
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 2: is a point at which, and it's a pretty quick

1386
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 2: point which people are just kind of good to go

1387
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: on their own. You know, they don't want to go

1388
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: to like parties or events or like take specific technical

1389
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 2: classes on how to use whatever whip or a fucking

1390
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 2: Saint Andrew's cross or whatever. But they don't need to

1391
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 2: keep paying money to a group. They need to keep

1392
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 2: listening to a guru. You kind of give people a

1393
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 2: basic and they're good to go. If you're not gonna

1394
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 2: do that, in order to keep them following, you have

1395
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 2: to constantly have more new curriculum, and eventually that's going

1396
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 2: to wind up in some really dangerous directions. Right, and

1397
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 2: for one taste, it ends in skillful violence. And she

1398
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: Nicole justifies skillful violation being a thing by teaching that

1399
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: only twenty five percent of human communication is verbal, right,

1400
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 2: trained OMXP learn how to read the non verbal seventy

1401
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: five percent of communication, which I'm sure you.

1402
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: Don't even realize what you think or what you want.

1403
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 2: So a skillful violator is someone who's been trained enough

1404
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 2: to be able to read someone's real desires and then

1405
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 2: be able to force them to experience those Right. At

1406
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 2: their annual conference OMX one year, one, TAY staff wore

1407
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 2: shirts with penetrate written on the front. No great stuff. No.

1408
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, a member of an OM house in

1409
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 2: Austin posted on oem hub, the colt's internal social network,

1410
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: and claimed that a man had repeatedly entered her room

1411
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: and sexually harassed her because again, the doors don't lock.

1412
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 2: This blows up internally. This is like a causes problems.

1413
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 2: People are saying, shouldn't we be able to lock doors?

1414
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 2: Who was this guy? Should he even have been there?

1415
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: This seems like a problem. And initially Rob comments internally

1416
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 2: and apologizes and says like we'll get right on it.

1417
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 2: But after that a bunch of holes. Lieutenants come in

1418
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 2: and I think this is actually racial. Who comes in

1419
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 2: and is there do damage control? And one of her

1420
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: lieutenant's posts as a woman, the easier thing for me

1421
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 2: to do is say I was violated that way, I

1422
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 2: don't have to look at my part in it.

1423
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, your part?

1424
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 2: She was in her room that won't lock. What was

1425
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 2: her part?

1426
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 3: Like? It is insane? How regressive? Again? Yeah it guess okay.

1427
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 2: Now. By this point, Nicole has added a section to

1428
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: her coaching program lecture where she claims to have seen

1429
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 2: a twenty thirteen study from somewhere, which researchers studied, in

1430
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 2: which researchers studied rape victims to see how they'd healed afterwards,

1431
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: and Nicole claimed the women who recovered were the women

1432
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 2: who took responsibility for the action, right right, Okay, so

1433
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 2: this is part of what she's teaching. Now. This becomes

1434
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: an increasingly important message for the colt because in twenty fourteen,

1435
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: a sales meeting was called and one of Nicole's representatives

1436
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: told the company, it's really important that we not break

1437
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 2: any prostitution's laws while selling courses, and attendees say like, oh,

1438
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 2: that was a moment where I realized they're kind of

1439
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 2: telling me to prostitute myself, but just not to talk

1440
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 2: about it that way. Otherwise they wouldn't have brought that

1441
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 2: up at all. Now, Nicole increasingly lectures about how sexual

1442
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 2: trauma is the result of not wanting sex enough, and

1443
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 2: as she taught, if you change your mental state to

1444
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 2: ones that accept one that accepts sex as always a

1445
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 2: positive thing, you literally can't be raped. And while she

1446
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: gave these courses, she would talk about how she was

1447
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: sexually abused as a child and explain, the only way

1448
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 2: I healed is that I accepted I had actually caused

1449
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 2: that situation by coming on to him, and also that

1450
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 2: it was a good thing right, that it made me

1451
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 2: more powerful. Likewise, if someone expressed a fear or a

1452
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 2: phobia related to sexual trauma, the solution was to embrace

1453
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 2: that trauma and find a way to enjoy it. People

1454
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,919
Speaker 2: are encouraged, slash forced to participate in rape and bondage

1455
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 2: play because they'd been raped or subjected to intimate partner violence.

1456
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 2: As Nicole said, the places you hate are your practice.

1457
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: They're actually your biggest gift. They're the places where you

1458
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 2: get free.

1459
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 3: This line, it's deeply fucking depressing because it's like not

1460
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:19,719
Speaker 3: only practicing dissociation through being actively abused, but again going

1461
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 3: back into like all of these she's capitalizing on these

1462
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 3: popular narratives about kink and by like suggesting that you

1463
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 3: would only be interested in this if you've experienced extreme

1464
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 3: trauma and enjoyed associated like it's just so, it's such horseshit,

1465
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 3: This is so dangerous.

1466
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 2: It's really bad. Yeah. Twenty sixteen, the company made nine

1467
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 2: point four million dollars. Gwyneth Paltrow praised them openly. They

1468
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 2: do some like goop stuff Chloe Kardashian.

1469
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 3: Talks about it took her that long.

1470
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 2: Tim Ferriss does like a podcast thing about them.

1471
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1472
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,799
Speaker 2: At the most advanced stage of the Grift, one taste

1473
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 2: was breaking into the mainstream, or at least the mainstream

1474
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 2: part of the WU self help world. While the public

1475
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 2: facing part of the company was very much in line

1476
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 2: with the body modification self optimization Bay Area culture of

1477
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 2: the era, that's not what's actually going on internally and

1478
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: inside there are ongoing experiments that are like verging on

1479
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 2: a cult nonsense. At one point, Nicole starts initiating priests

1480
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 2: of om and selling like fifteen thousand dollars classes where

1481
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: rich guys can participate in these like drug drenched sex

1482
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: magic rituals and get like certified as priests. And I

1483
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 2: think Nicole's idea, because this is this never fully turns

1484
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 2: into anything. I think the idea at one point was

1485
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: that if this is successful enough, if enough guys are interested,

1486
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 2: if this proves to have legs, maybe we can apply

1487
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: for tax free status and call ourselves a religion. Right.

1488
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 2: I think Nicole was like exploring and just doesn't quite

1489
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: get the chance to live this Grift out.

1490
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 3: I mean, she is committing enough sex crimes, I think,

1491
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 3: to qualify as a religion. Yeah, yeah, as well at

1492
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 3: that point she's she's committed enough crimes to be a religion.

1493
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: Yep. So she is getting much more reckless with everything

1494
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 2: as the years go on. I found at least one

1495
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 2: account from a former member who claims Nicole applied these

1496
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 2: rich tech guys with drugs at these high dollar classes,

1497
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 2: and you know these are not only are they basically

1498
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: paying to get into an orgy, but like at one point,

1499
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 2: this one member says, Nicole specifically doses a dude with

1500
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 2: a bunch of LSD to try to convince them to

1501
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 2: donate another two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to the company. Right,

1502
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: so that's part of what she's doing.

1503
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 3: I'm honestly shocked because of how modern this story is

1504
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 3: that there is no it doesn't seem like any member

1505
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,480
Speaker 3: of the cult who has that there's been no significant

1506
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 3: whistle blowing incident by this point, not.

1507
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 2: Yet Peace of Surprise have come out. But yeah, that's

1508
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 2: not going to happen until twenty eighteen when Hewitt puts

1509
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 2: that article out. But because the men with money are

1510
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 2: so core to everything, happening here. Nicole's teachings trended towards

1511
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 2: explaining how it was good for men to be angry

1512
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 2: and controlling to women. She called this letting out your

1513
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: beast and praised it. Everyone was increasingly encouraged to be

1514
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 2: brutal towards each other, to cut each other up with

1515
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 2: their skillful scalpels. Nicole also praised intimate partner violence, most

1516
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: of which seems to have been man on women. Women

1517
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: who were beat by their partners were told that they

1518
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 2: had caused the situation by goading his beast or not

1519
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,520
Speaker 2: understanding his beast enough. If they sought to escape abusive situations,

1520
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 2: they were insulted from fleeing it from his beast rather

1521
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 2: than meeting it with love. So these om priest classes

1522
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 2: and orgy sessions could net as much as a million

1523
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 2: dollars for one taste for a five day class. These

1524
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 2: are the real top dollar things. And the guys in

1525
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 2: these they are just paying to get into an orgy

1526
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 2: with a bunch of young women, right, and they have, but.

1527
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 3: It has to seem like school as well.

1528
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 2: It's got a right right and this you know, this

1529
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 2: works for years without them get in trouble, but it

1530
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 2: couldn't last forever. By twenty seventeen, there's a couple of

1531
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 2: pending lawsuits, and there's some like rumblings that bad press

1532
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 2: might be coming, right, and Nicole decides to separate herself

1533
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: legally from the group in the hope of gaining some

1534
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 2: sort of plausible deniability. So she sells the company for

1535
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 2: twelve million dollars to like her wealthiest followers, and this

1536
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 2: is framed as the company maturing. Right. Nicole's still going

1537
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 2: to be the spiritual and intellectual leader, but One Taste

1538
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 2: is going to be run like a normal company, with

1539
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 2: like a CEO and a normal business chain of command

1540
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 2: right now. Initially it seems like maybe this will work.

1541
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, thirty five thousand people had attended One

1542
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 2: Taste events in cities around the world, and hundreds of

1543
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 2: members lived in om houses in multiple countries, oeming twice

1544
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: in the morning and twice in the evening, and often

1545
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 2: quitting their careers to sell courses. But that same year,

1546
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 2: Bloomberg published Hewitt's first bombshell article about the cult, which

1547
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 2: described it as looking like a prostitution ring. That article

1548
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 2: quoted former employees saying stuff like Orgasm was God and

1549
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 2: Nicole was like Jesus. And I want to quote from

1550
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 2: an article in the Times about the fallout from this article,

1551
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 2: One Taste went quiet. It shut down all centers and courses.

1552
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 2: A group of about thirty senior practitioners, including the coal

1553
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 2: retreated to the land, which is like a chunk of

1554
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 2: land that they're starting a compound on. Right then came

1555
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 2: a BBC podcast, The Orgasm Cult, a Netflix documentary, Orgasm Inc.

1556
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 2: A Device documentary, and a Playboy investigation. In June of

1557
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, the FBI stormed the land to Done

1558
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 2: and shure Wits that's Rachel, were arrested. The company has

1559
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,799
Speaker 2: spent about fifteen million dollars on legal fees since twenty eighteen,

1560
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: suing the BBC, suing Netflix, suing a former member, being

1561
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 2: sued by another member for alleged sex trafficking, and fighting

1562
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 2: the criminal trial. And yeah, and it's one of those

1563
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 2: things where they were committing these crimes the whole time.

1564
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 2: It's as soon as that article comes out, the FBI

1565
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 2: is like, oh, I guess we got to look into this,

1566
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:56,799
Speaker 2: and there's just immediately tons of shit to make charges

1567
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 2: on Rachel is like. She's accused of targeting vulnerable people

1568
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 2: by advertising that the companies like classes could fix sexual trauma,

1569
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 2: telling people to take on debt to pay for classes,

1570
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 2: with holding wages from employees, isolating people by demanding absolute commitment.

1571
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: She's accused of participating an abusive employment practices, subjecting members

1572
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 2: to economic, sexual, emotional, and psychological abuse, surveillance and doctrination

1573
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 2: and intimidation. And to Doane is accused of, you know,

1574
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: participating in or of sexually trafficking people, of a whole

1575
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 2: bunch of bad stuff, right, And there's a lot. We

1576
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 2: don't need to get into everything that happens in the

1577
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 2: court case. You know, just a few weeks ago, earlier

1578
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 2: this year, to Doane was sentenced to nine years in

1579
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 2: federal prison. She is convicted, so is Rachel, and they

1580
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 2: are sentenced both to prison sentences. Nicole again gets like

1581
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: nine years.

1582
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 3: Which, as always seems.

1583
01:22:53,960 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 2: Low, seems low, seems low. Judge Gujarati says that Cole

1584
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: caused long lasting, if not a reparable, harm to former

1585
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 2: One Taste employees. What she was doing wasn't about enlightenment

1586
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 2: or operating in a different dimension. It was criminal. Dudoan

1587
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 2: has not accepted any wrongdoing, neither has one taste. The

1588
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 2: people currently leading things still stand by her and basically

1589
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: say she's the fucking best there apparently, like at least

1590
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 2: the way they're framing it is, we're waiting for her,

1591
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,640
Speaker 2: you know, as soon as she gets out, you know,

1592
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 2: we'll be able to get back to the important work.

1593
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 3: Jesus Jesus famously returns. That is, what does she end

1594
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 3: up getting convicted on. I'm curious.

1595
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, let's get the exact list up here, because

1596
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously part of it.

1597
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so because every time I hear about a

1598
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 3: case like this and then you hear the actual conviction,

1599
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 3: it does sound like she was able to probably get

1600
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,839
Speaker 3: out a lot of consequences by being able to argue, well,

1601
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 3: technically there was a degree of choice, even though people

1602
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 3: were so psychological fucked that I would argue that's not true.

1603
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see how much that help. But she

1604
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 2: does get like it's a forced labor conspiracy, Like it's

1605
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: conspiracy to commit forced labor that she gets in trouble

1606
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: with and gets convicted of. Like forced labor conspiracy, like

1607
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 2: is like the actual crime she's convicted on is forced

1608
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 2: labor conspiracy alongside a little under nine hundred grand in

1609
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 2: restitution and two years supervised release. And it's just so

1610
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 2: far seven victims confirmed, right, that's based on this. The

1611
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 2: only accomplice who goes down with her is Rachel. Obviously

1612
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 2: a lot of other people were complicit and still are.

1613
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think one taste is gonna have

1614
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 2: the juice to survive until she's done.

1615
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 3: But we'll see, Lord, I know, truly, let's I hope not.

1616
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,919
Speaker 3: I hope not. But usually with something like this, unfortunately,

1617
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 3: there's just gonna be another grifter that innovates in the

1618
01:24:55,760 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 3: field of you know, taking advantage of people.

1619
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 2: So yep, yep, yep, holy shit.

1620
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 3: Well, well, holy shit.

1621
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: Robert, has this influenced any of your thinking on how

1622
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 2: to create your own cult? Jamie?

1623
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 3: Look the colt uh, this was a truly horrific one.

1624
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 3: I feel like she really did find a way to

1625
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 3: incorporate almost every grift of the last twenty years.

1626
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 2: It really is impressive.

1627
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 3: A single there's an element of false feminism, there is

1628
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 3: an element of capitalizing on male loneliness. There's a class

1629
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 3: element to it. There's indentured labor, there's force labor. There's

1630
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 3: a tech element. I mean, it really does kind of

1631
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 3: run the gamut. And and she almost became a religion.

1632
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 3: I think that really would have been the bingo right,

1633
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 3: is to rebrand as a religion.

1634
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 2: That's what I will do eventually when I finally best

1635
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 2: this with a cult that's about the opposite of orgasming.

1636
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: I'm going to teach people how to poop right. You know,

1637
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 2: I think that that's the.

1638
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 3: Next drift well, and I think that's also I mean.

1639
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 2: You're doing it wrong.

1640
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 3: Poop right. There's actually a good name.

1641
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 2: If you get better at it, there's magic. It'll make

1642
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 2: you immortal.

1643
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 3: Look, media literacy isn't an all time low. I think

1644
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 3: you should call it poop right. Get to the point,

1645
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 3: poop right.

1646
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 2: Call it one day.

1647
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 3: I had to think too hard.

1648
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 2: And like, by three years on, I'll be teaching people

1649
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 2: that like if you're if you're not eating an all

1650
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 2: grape diet, like God is going to kill your children

1651
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 2: or something like that. It'll go crazy after a while,

1652
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 2: but up to that point, we'll have a lot of fun,

1653
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 2: you know.

1654
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'll sell so many supplements.

1655
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 2: So many supplements. It's it's basically, oh my.

1656
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 3: Gosh, she wasn't selling supplements. That's a big that was

1657
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 3: as she wasn't.

1658
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 2: Actually, you're right, that was an error.

1659
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 3: That was there should have been a useless product.

1660
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were so many things she could have sold

1661
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: on the one daste name.

1662
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 3: Oh fuck it, God, I guess when I'm when I'm

1663
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 3: signing over my twenty thousand dollars check, I hope I'll

1664
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 3: remember to withhold it when you're like, Actually, the best

1665
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 3: way to poop is uh to punch your spouse before.

1666
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 3: That's the only way to really release is to assault

1667
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 3: someone immediately before taking the healthiest of your life.

1668
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 2: I would never do that. But the key to pooping

1669
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 2: is to live on a boat for several years, like

1670
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 2: robbing merchant vessels for me in order that I can

1671
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 2: like sell the proceeds. That's that's how you do it.

1672
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 3: That's kind of brilliant to sell a poop only you

1673
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 3: could you could take.

1674
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right. Okay, Well this is a good.

1675
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 3: Thing, I think. Yeah, this is I feel good about

1676
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 3: great stuff.

1677
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're on our way here, Jim, you've

1678
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 2: got any pluggables here?

1679
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 3: Oh? Man? The usuals? I I I have a book

1680
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 3: coming out next year that there's no link for uh.

1681
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 3: So I'll let you know when there's a link for it.

1682
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 3: But for the now, listen to the Bechdelcast every week.

1683
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 3: Listen to We the Unhoused every other week, both on

1684
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 3: Thursdays and Tuesdays, respectively. And uh and yeah take it.

1685
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,839
Speaker 3: Take a healthy ship for free at your house tonight.

1686
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 3: Do that? Do that for me?

1687
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 2: Yep?

1688
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 3: All right, everybody, I'm trying to undercut your business.

1689
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, yeah, thank you. All right, everyone, We're done,

1690
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 2: go away bye.

1691
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,759
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1692
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