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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audio

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Speaker 1: book Club. It's the book club for audiobook lovers. I'm

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Speaker 1: ed Helms and I am cal Penn.

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Speaker 2: Each episode, Ed or I will tackle a different Audible

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Speaker 2: title with your favorite hosts and special guests from across

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Speaker 2: the iHeart Podcast world and beyond. They'll share what they heard,

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Speaker 2: what they loved, and what they can't stop thinking about.

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Speaker 2: You've heard the books, Now hear the ear.

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Speaker 1: Say earsay that title? Are we all getting it? Cal

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Speaker 1: break it down? Sure?

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Speaker 2: If I need to get specific well pronounced earsay. It's

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Speaker 2: a play on hearsay, but unlike hearsay, you shouldn't ignore it.

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Speaker 2: You want to listen to the ear say it's the

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Speaker 2: lively chatter that follows a great audiobook.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I get it. Can you use it

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Speaker 1: in a sentence? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Uh, let's see. I finished the book. Now I'm catching

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Speaker 2: up on the ear say see what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, that's far.

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Speaker 2: This season, we're going to be getting into some really

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Speaker 2: fun titles that push the limits of the audiobook format.

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Speaker 2: So we'll dive into an oral history of one of

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Speaker 2: the funniest movies in the eighties. We'll do a supernatural

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Speaker 2: thriller co authored by m Night Shamalan.

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Speaker 1: We'll also dive into the full cast audio edition of

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Speaker 1: Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. It stars Riz Ahmed,

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Speaker 2: This is our audiobook club, and you're invited.

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Speaker 1: Cow. Do you have a formative audiobook memory?

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Speaker 2: I guess formative audio book memory. I really like listening

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Speaker 2: to audiobooks from authors who whose voices are kind of iconic.

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Speaker 2: There's something about getting that firsthand that I like. But

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Speaker 2: really the like, the more universal side of that. I

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Speaker 2: remember listening to somebody like a Mindy kayale Right is

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Speaker 2: of like I'm everybody's friend. So when you listen to

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Speaker 2: a fun memoir that she's written, and it's vulnerable and

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Speaker 1: Absolutely how about you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree you have a formative audiobook memory.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure thinking back when I really started to

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Speaker 1: on fondly. I was on a road trip by myself

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Speaker 1: this audio book The Overstory. The Overstory is this incredibly

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Speaker 1: rich and deep and beautiful novel, and it's also one

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Speaker 1: There's so much narrative, there's so much sort of color

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Speaker 1: and experience to this story. But because I was able

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Speaker 1: I think it's such an incredibly powerful and beautiful, beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Book that's so cool, like a TimewARP for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, audiobooks are timewarps because they're so immersive.

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Speaker 2: I assume you narrated the audiobook commercial of your book, right, correct, Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I did the same. I wrote this memoir called You

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Speaker 2: Can't Be Serious, and the subtext is about systemic change

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Speaker 2: in Hollywood and Washington. But really it's like a collection

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Speaker 2: around on a drive. And I remember when my editor

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Speaker 2: do you want to record and narrate your audiobook or

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Speaker 2: I was so confused by that, like why would the

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Speaker 2: amount of self deprecating jokes alone and the weird voices

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Speaker 2: that I do in my head that could so easily

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote a book that's more sort of my

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Speaker 1: comedic take on some straight history stories. It's called SNAPO,

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Speaker 1: The Definitive Guide to Histories Greatest screw Ups, available wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your books, and the same thing. I was

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Speaker 1: so proud of it. I was like, I'm not I

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Speaker 2: In your book, by the way, came from your podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is also called Snaffo.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for mentioning that. My my podcast Snaffoo

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Speaker 1: also about history's greatest grew ups. Season four is coming out,

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Speaker 1: and I'm having guests come on and I tell them

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Speaker 1: about a snafoo and we reflect on what these snaffoos

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Speaker 1: say about humanity, and spoiler alert, it's usually not good

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Speaker 2: You also have a podcast I do, or I guess

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Speaker 2: technically I will. It is still a very big secret

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Speaker 2: for right now, but we will announce it on the

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Speaker 2: fourteenth of October. But yes, we do podcasts, we do

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Speaker 2: audio books, and we're maybe the perfect guys to host

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, And so for our first episode today, we

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Speaker 1: have the pleasure of stepping into the carriages and drawing

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Speaker 1: rooms of Regency England. Our guest and I listened to

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Speaker 1: the audible reimagining of a piece of the English literature canon,

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Speaker 1: Jane Austen's eighteen thirteen masterpiece, Pride and Prejudice. It came

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Speaker 1: Prejudice offered witty, sharp social commentary at a time when

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Speaker 1: the novel itself was seen as kind of frivolous. Austin

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Speaker 1: Cal Have you ever read Pride and Prejudice? I read

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Speaker 1: quick refresher. Pride and Prejudice is the story of the

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Speaker 1: quick witted Elizabeth Bennett, who finds herself navigating complicated social

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Speaker 1: she calls the quote proudest and most disagreeable man in

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Speaker 1: mister Dawesy. The themes in Pride and Prejudice are timeless.

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Speaker 1: We're talking self discovery class. Of course, both Pride and

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Speaker 1: Prejudice question, cal in your relationship, are you more than

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Speaker 1: Am I digging too deep?

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Speaker 2: And no, you're not digging deep at all. It's one

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Speaker 2: not trying to script the question, but maybe an amalgam

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Speaker 2: of both. Leaning towards the miss Bennett.

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Speaker 1: Well good, I mean it's a win win. They're both

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Speaker 1: remarkable characters. Lizzie just has this like irrepressible verb and

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Speaker 1: So if you're a combination of those two, you're you're

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Speaker 1: doing You're doing good. So this new Audible adaptation of

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Speaker 1: Pride and Prejudice is less of an audio book and

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Speaker 1: sound design and original music. It stars Marisa Abella as

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Speaker 4: I'm not concerned at all. I'm really trying to illustrate your.

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Speaker 1: Character and do you succeed?

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Speaker 2: Not at all.

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Speaker 4: I hear such different accounts of you. I can't make

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Speaker 2: Ooh, Steamy, Marissa, Abella, Marisa, Marisa, excuse me, Marisa, Yeah, amazing.

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Speaker 2: I just did a little arc on Industry. We did

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is giving some pretty saucy vibes. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: Did they make you watch the like nineteen sixties version

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Speaker 2: I remember that they we watched that and it was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: The to illustrate the timelessness of literature, especially Shakespeare obviously

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Speaker 1: the legendary British thespian Bill Nye plays Elizabeth's father, mister Bennett,

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Speaker 1: and Glenn Close plays the domineering and downright kind of

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Speaker 3: Tell me once and for all are you engaged to him?

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Speaker 3: I am not, And will you promise me never to

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Speaker 1: Oh? That Lizzie just the backbone, she's so tough.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she will not make any promises.

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Speaker 1: I've worked with Glenn Close. She is one of the

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Speaker 2: I would This goes back to the earlier question you

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Speaker 2: love in modern times like today, if somebody on a

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Speaker 2: want to say that I will make no promises.

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Speaker 1: Of the kind.

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Speaker 2: I just want to use that line.

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Speaker 1: I will make no promises of the kind. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: you're right, that's a stinger.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you ask me if I'll be part of

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Speaker 2: no promises of the kind.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this party started with our first guest.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for helping me kick off this podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a ton of fun and here we go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I am. I'm very excited. Enjoy, enjoy the convo.

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Speaker 2: I will hop off and leave you to the rest

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Speaker 2: of this one.

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Speaker 1: Well, our first guest on the Earsay podcast. You know

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Speaker 1: her as Kelly Taylor from the legendary Beverly Hills nine

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Speaker 1: oh two one zero. She starred in What I Like

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Speaker 1: About You. She also starred in the reality shows Jenny Garth,

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Speaker 1: A Little Bit Country and The Jenny Garth Project. Now

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Speaker 1: she is host of the iHeart podcast I Choose Me

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Speaker 1: with Jenny Garth and just in case you haven't done

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Speaker 1: the math and figured it out already, I am of course,

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Speaker 1: talking about the legendary Jenny Garth. Jenny, welcome to Earsay.

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Speaker 1: I love that it's like put on your oxygen mask first,

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Speaker 4: You know what? I can see you as mister Darcy.

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Speaker 4: I think what's made it last it's just it's a timeless.

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Speaker 2: Story, Yeah, exactly, Like.

437
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Speaker 4: That's at its heart, it's a timeless story.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like humans were just suckers for a great

439
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Speaker 1: love story. But this one has this really wonderful trope

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Speaker 1: of the people that are destined to be together but

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Speaker 1: hate each other at first, Right, they start off with

442
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: all the friction. Yeah, that's satisfying. They when they realize.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that moonlighting energy, like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, moonlighting, Oh perfect.

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Speaker 4: They hate each other, but you know they love each

446
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Speaker 4: other and you're just waiting on the edge of your

447
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Speaker 4: seat for them to finally get together.

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Speaker 1: Marriage is obviously a major theme in Pride and Prejudice.

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Speaker 1: Norms around marriage have changed profoundly in the last two

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five years.

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Speaker 4: Thank God.

452
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Speaker 1: What are some things that this book says about marriage

453
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Speaker 1: that might still be true today?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think in Lizzie's case, she wanted to find

455
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Speaker 4: somebody that could keep up with her intellectually, and that

456
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 4: the spice that she you know, finding someone that can

457
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 4: sort of spar with you when you want to spar

458
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 4: and roll with you when you want to roll, like

459
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Speaker 4: she wanted that then, and I think, I know I

460
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Speaker 4: still want that as a woman in this day and age.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be bored. I don't want to

462
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Speaker 4: be a comfortable kept woman. I think, you know, there

463
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Speaker 4: are all different kinds of women and they all have

464
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Speaker 4: different needs. Back then, it was about finding a husband

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Speaker 4: because that's how you survived.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think to what you're speaking to about,

467
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Speaker 1: you know, being able to spar with somebody without it

468
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: threatening the integrity of the relationship is really about having

469
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Speaker 1: an underlying respect for one another, and a deep sort

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Speaker 1: of abiding respect that transcends the petty moments or the

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Speaker 1: hard moments of conflict. What I love about pride and

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Speaker 1: prejudice is that really their love story. In my view,

473
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Speaker 1: they realize they love each other when they built respect

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Speaker 1: for one another, and that's what's ultimately gratifying. And it's

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Speaker 1: a little bit in defiance of some of the norms

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Speaker 1: of the day. All Right, I asked my co host

477
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Speaker 1: cal this question before. Who in your marriage is more

478
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Speaker 1: of the Darcy and who is more of the Elizabeth

479
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Speaker 1: or are you another character altogether?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I feel like hmmm, honestly, it's kind of weird.

481
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: I never really thought about it, but I think my

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Speaker 4: husband's morally mister Darcy. He's got that like dry quick

483
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 4: wit and walks to his own drum. It has that

484
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Speaker 4: air of independence and almost like a little bit of

485
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Speaker 4: arrogance sometimes, which must be appealing to me because I'm

486
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Speaker 4: liking it here again with him.

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Speaker 1: Pride. Yeah, the pride, pride and prejudice exactly.

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Speaker 4: So I like that in a man, and that confidence

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Speaker 4: that's great, And yeah, i'd probably be more like Lizzie

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Speaker 4: just because she doesn't just go with the way she's

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Speaker 4: told to go. She wants to have her own path.

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Speaker 1: I would say my wife is definitely Lizzie. I'm maybe

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Speaker 1: more of a Bingley in what way. I just like

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Speaker 1: the I'm the fun guy. That's my main contribution is

495
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Speaker 1: just being like, agreeable and fun and hopefully stable.

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Speaker 4: Those are all great qualities, so I.

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Speaker 1: Like to think. So I like to think I bring

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Speaker 1: something to the table.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Of course, at the end of the story, despite all

501
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Speaker 1: odds being against it, Elizabeth and Darcy end up engaged.

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Speaker 1: I can't say Darcy just like I have to say

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Speaker 1: Darcy Saws. They surprise each other and they surprise themselves,

504
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Speaker 1: and through that new knowledge, their love becomes possible. We

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Speaker 1: have a clip.

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Speaker 5: You showed me how insufficient all of my pretensions were

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Speaker 5: to please woman worthy of being pleased.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's the birds for me right that listener. That

509
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: is a little taste of the sound design just all

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Speaker 1: through this thing that is so so wonderful. Do you

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Speaker 1: think there's an element of wish fulfillment here, Like a

512
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Speaker 1: really smart young woman meets a really smart, handsome, wealthy man.

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00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: Austin Jane Austen started writing this at age twenty, so

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Speaker 1: perhaps there's something aspirational in this story. What do you

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Speaker 1: think for sure?

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Speaker 4: I think, I mean, speaking for myself, Yeah, you want

517
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 4: that romance and you want that challenge and intrigue. If

518
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: anything's too easy, it feels like it's not worth it somehow.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like both of the characters in this

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00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 4: book really have their own personal jarnies to go through

521
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 4: until they find that mutual respect. Looking past the stereotypes

522
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: and past what all the other women that he had

523
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Speaker 4: to choose from were, and then learning that she, like

524
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Speaker 4: he said, she's worthy of his love. That's saying a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and knowing that that Jane Austen started writing this

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Speaker 1: at age twenty, I'm eager to kind of do more

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Speaker 1: research on Austin and what kind of person was she

528
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Speaker 1: who was such a keen observer of human behavior and

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Speaker 1: the human condition and obviously an incredible wit. And I

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Speaker 1: would think she built Lizzie on herself in some way.

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Speaker 1: But I'm now very curious about our author here, meager

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Speaker 1: to kind of read up on that.

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Speaker 4: I know very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Are all stories that we consume in culture and media,

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Speaker 1: are they some kind of wish fulfillment. Would you say,

536
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills nine oh two one oh?

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Speaker 5: Was that?

538
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah? I mean, if you think about it, that

539
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 4: was the nineties. There was no Internet. Nobody knew what

540
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: life in Beverly Hills was like. But man, did it

541
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Speaker 4: sound good?

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00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

543
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 4: And then when they got to see it on their

544
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 4: TV screens every week it looked good.

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00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: I know people that have moved from I hear this

547
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 4: all the time. I moved from Germany to Beverly Hills

548
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Speaker 4: so that I could have this life that I saw

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00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 4: on my TV. And I'm kind of like, oh, how'd

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00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: that work out for you? Like, I get a little nervous,

551
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 4: but because it's you know, it's it's manufactured, it's not real.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's lives are challenging, but I feel like anything that

553
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: you really get lost in there is that sense of

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Speaker 4: either it's inspirational or it's aspirational.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was watching Beverly Hills nine oh two and

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Speaker 1: oh from my living room and Atlanta, Georgia and just

557
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: being like, what is this world? Who are these people?

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00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: They really live like that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a wild, eye opening experience for the

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Speaker 4: rest of the world.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna take a short break, but we'll

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Speaker 1: be right back with more ear Say, okay, Jenny, we're

563
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Speaker 1: gonna do some rapid fire questions here and in a

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Speaker 1: little segment we're calling plot twist. Are you ready?

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00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: I'm ready?

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Speaker 1: All right. At one point in the original novel, mister

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Speaker 1: Collins reads from Fordyce's sermons two young women. They gave

568
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Speaker 1: advice like be seen and not heard, don't be vain

569
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Speaker 1: but be very beautiful, don't make men feel bad or insecure.

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00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: You know, really good reasonable stuff. So he reads the

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Speaker 1: sermons to missus Bennet and her daughters with nottonous solemnity.

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Speaker 1: If you're at a party and you're asked to share

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Speaker 1: a reading, what are you going to reach for? It

574
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: could be print, audio, video, whatever.

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Speaker 4: I feel like. My first instinct is like a roomy poem.

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Speaker 4: I would probably pull out something poetic but meaningful and insightful. Yep,

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00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: I like it, but certainly none of the same message

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00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 4: as that quote you just read.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing like a great poem. My grandfather used to

580
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Speaker 1: recite these poems at big gatherings. Robert Servis was the poet.

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Speaker 1: There are these funny, sort of long shaggy dog stories.

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Speaker 1: There's one called the Cremation of Sam McGhee. There's just

583
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Speaker 1: sort of these old Yukon trail stories but they rhyme

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Speaker 1: like a Johnny Cash song, and I just loved it.

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00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: There was no there was no message. It was just entertaining.

586
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: But it's like my grandfather could just hold the room

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Speaker 1: in these awesome stories.

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Speaker 4: Oh sure, it's great.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're going to play a clip from the

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Speaker 1: new Audible original Pride and Prejudice, and then I have

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Speaker 1: a question for you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, how can you account about having fallen in love

593
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Speaker 4: with me? How could you begin?

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Speaker 5: I can't fix on the hour, or the spot or

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Speaker 5: the look I was in the middle before I knew

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Speaker 5: i'd begun. Oo.

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Speaker 1: They're so relaxed. I see something. So it's such a

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Speaker 1: deep confidence in their delivery. I love it.

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00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: They're saying, is so like meaningful.

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00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: Very profound. Yeah, it's very very profound. Okay, So was

601
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Speaker 1: there a moment that you knew you were in love

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Speaker 1: with your husband?

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Speaker 4: For me, it's humor. It's someone that doesn't take things

604
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 4: too seriously because I can be quite serious sometimes, so

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00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 4: I need that counterbalance of someone who can de escalate

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Speaker 4: a situation, add in that self deprecation and just makes

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Speaker 4: me laugh every time, and then I kind of get

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Speaker 4: out of my like, you know, this is so serious mindset.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, amen, I mean everybody is. Everybody's so wonderful and

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00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: charming out of the gate. But once he realized, like, oh,

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00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: this is a permanent part of this person.

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Speaker 4: Like he said, I didn't know it until I was

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Speaker 4: in the middle of it. That's so yeah true. Because

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Speaker 4: when you're with somebody, you think you love them, but

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00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 4: then you learn more and more and more about them

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Speaker 4: and you can either grow to not love them so

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00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: much and realize this is not a good match, or

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00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: you can find all the little ways that connect you guys.

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Speaker 4: Like I know, watching my husband, who's nine years younger

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Speaker 4: than me, step into this big world that I lived

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Speaker 4: and having three young step daughters to take on when

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Speaker 4: he had no children, no experience whatsoever. I saw him

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Speaker 4: like really trying to struggle through that and be the

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00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 4: best he could, but he didn't have any of the tools.

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Speaker 4: But now as we sort of settled into like ten

626
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: years now, seeing how that has evolved for him, his

627
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 4: ability to love in such a deeper, more meaningful way,

628
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 4: not just me, but in our daughters. I fall more

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Speaker 4: in love with him just seeing how important he is

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Speaker 4: to them.

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Speaker 1: It's just like you said before, having a partner willing

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00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: to grow with you, and what a growth he's gone

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00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: through to become a just instant dad. I have two girls,

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Speaker 1: but I've had the benefit of like watching watching them

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Speaker 1: become humans from the very beginning. That's a serious journey,

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Speaker 1: it really is. And it's a testament to you too,

637
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: to be a partner that can cultivate that. There's another

638
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: reimagining of Pride and Prejudice called Pride and Prejudice and Zombies,

639
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: a two thousand and nine book and a twenty sixteen movie.

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Speaker 1: What character from Pride and Prejudice would you want with

641
00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: you most and least during a zombie apocalypse?

642
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: I'm so boring. I keep coming back to mister Darcy

643
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 4: obviously thinks it's a good answer.

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00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: Answer.

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Speaker 4: I just feel like he's gonna be able to handle things.

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00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 4: He's smart.

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00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Can I give you a controversial answer?

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00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: Wickham, you think you know because he's wiy Yeah, And

650
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Speaker 1: I feel like he's a little dangerous, like he'll he'll

651
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: take care of business.

652
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: He know.

653
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 4: It's how to survive something like that.

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Speaker 1: Darcy's going to help you stay like. He's going to

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Speaker 1: keep you grounded. He's going to keep you focused on

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Speaker 1: survival and the courage, and he's going to say all

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Speaker 1: the right things. I think he's a tough guy, but

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Speaker 1: I do feel like Wickham in The Zombie Apocalypse might

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Speaker 1: just be a better utility player.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I see it.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay. Miss Bingley says that to call a woman accomplished,

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Speaker 1: she needs to be skilled in singing, drawing, dancing, and languages,

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Speaker 1: plus a certain say qua. Darcy adds that she also

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Speaker 1: needs to be very well read. Kind of a long list.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to sing, I have to dance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a this is a very I'm going

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Speaker 1: to you know, I'm going.

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Speaker 4: To just go with the Genessee qua because I think

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Speaker 4: that's where it's at.

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Speaker 1: That's your must have in a partner. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 1: right they just need. So you don't need a partner

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Speaker 1: to be a good singer, drawer, dancer or no multiple languages,

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Speaker 1: uh just qua.

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Speaker 4: I kind of would be into somebody. Well, my husband's

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Speaker 4: not the best dancer, so it be really fun to

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Speaker 4: have a guy that could dance, but more importantly is

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Speaker 4: the Genessee Qua.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right because that is that's the most

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Speaker 1: open ended dancer. Yeah, right, like Jenna qua is just

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Speaker 1: is like something you like and it's gonna be different

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Speaker 1: for everybody. So yeah, they got to have that. Is

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Speaker 1: there anything that you would have? Are there any must

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Speaker 1: have a partner for you that you know apart from

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Speaker 1: this list? Are there any must haves in a partner?

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Speaker 4: Honesty? It's just it's hard. It's hard to be honest

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Speaker 4: all the time.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: I also humor right at the top of my list, accountability.

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Speaker 4: I'm I there's a book that I read that has

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Speaker 4: made such a difference in my Life's called the Four Agreements.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, the ancient Toll Tech Wisdom.

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Speaker 4: That's the one. That's the one, and one of the

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Speaker 4: four agreements is be impeccable with your word. Yes, I

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Speaker 4: think there's something so important there. Whether you're the one

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Speaker 4: giving your word or you're the one receiving someone else's word,

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Speaker 4: it's important that you do what you say you're going

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Speaker 4: to do. You are who you say you are, you know.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I read that book like thirty years ago.

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Speaker 4: It's always a good reread.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, and that one in particular, I think was

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Speaker 1: a kind of an eye opener because it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course you want to be honest when you navigate

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Speaker 1: the world, but the way it's explained and laid out,

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Speaker 1: it's really much more of an ethos, a way to

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Speaker 1: move through the world with a sense of truth and integrity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's a juicy one.

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Speaker 4: That's a juicy one.

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Speaker 1: I think that you nailed plot twist.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you got all the answers.

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Speaker 4: Right, I feel like I did pretty good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right. So, Jinny, what is a recommendation that you have

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Speaker 1: a book or an audiobook for our listeners?

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Speaker 4: Gosh, I go back to those books that Jonathan Livingston Siegel.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever read that book. That's

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Speaker 4: an old bit a goodie painted such a visual in

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Speaker 4: my mind, and there was some lasting lesson in that

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Speaker 4: about being who you are unapologetically and owning that.

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Speaker 1: That sounds right up your alley, really, and that is

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Speaker 1: absolutely a classic and a great recommendation. Jonathan Livingston Seagull

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Speaker 1: by Richard Bach. Yes, great, Jenny Garth, it was so wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Have you here on earsay as our very first guest.

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Speaker 1: What a blast. Thanks being a member of our club.

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Speaker 1: You're in the club, remember you got in.

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Speaker 4: I feel so special.

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Speaker 1: We'll send you your little card. You can carry it

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Speaker 1: around with you. Okay, thank you, and don't forget listeners.

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Speaker 1: You can hear Jenny Garth on the iHeart podcast I

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Speaker 1: choose Me check it out now. I gotta tell you

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Speaker 1: deconstructing Pride and Prejudice with Jenny Garth a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Well, she seems like the absolute best and I mean

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Speaker 2: very cool for us to have her on our very

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Speaker 2: first episode of the show. I think we grew up

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Speaker 2: around the original Beverly nine two one zero era, so

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Speaker 2: big sort of nerding out over that for.

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Speaker 1: Us, absolutely, and it's very cool how she's sort of

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Speaker 1: taken an iconic line from her character and really made

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Speaker 1: it a message for living a better life. So to

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Speaker 1: our audience, thank you for tuning in to this first

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Speaker 1: episode of Earsay. The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club will

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Speaker 1: The next will be a conversation about season two of

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Speaker 1: the Audible original The Prophecy with series creator Randy McKinnon.

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Speaker 1: Cal you get to do that one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do so. The Prophecy is an audio drama

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Speaker 2: starring Kerrie Washington, Laurence Fishburne, Daniel Daykim. The premise is

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Speaker 2: basically a question, what if the Bible wasn't made up

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Speaker 2: of stories that happened in the past, but prophecies that

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Speaker 2: were going to happen in the future. Yeah, it's pretty wild.

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Speaker 2: I've listened to it and it is incredible. The way

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Speaker 2: you're on a moving train with these folks, you're you know,

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Speaker 2: the stresses that you have are the ones that they have.

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Speaker 2: And then the whole question of reality versus what people

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