1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Look at Our Radio is a radio phonic novela, which 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: is just a very extra way of saying a podcast. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm theos f M and I am malays. Local Radio 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: is your free, must favorite podcast hosted by us Mala 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: and Theosa where Too I g friends turned podcast partners, 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: breaking down pop culture, feminism, sexual wellness, and offering fresh 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: takes on strending topics through nuanced interviews with up and 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: coming Latin next creatives known as Las Locals, Las Mammy 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: Submit and Bullshits next Door and Lasses. We've been podcasting 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: independently since and we're bringing our radiophonic novela to the 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: Miculcura Network to continue sharing stories from the Latinox community. 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Local to A Radio Season seven, take us 13 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: to your network. Welcome back to local Radio. This sis 14 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm Diosa and I Am Mala. Last time on local Radio, 15 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: we talked about self love. On this episode, we will 16 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: be talking about gun violence and mass shootings. We encourage 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: our listeners to take care as they listen and step 18 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: away if they need to. We think it's really important 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: to our local community and the broader community to cover this. 20 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: We're calling this episode an owed to the San Gabriel 21 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Valley because there was a shooting in Monterey Park on 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: January a gunman killed eleven people and injured ten at 23 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: Star Ballroom dance studio. And we grew up in the 24 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: San Gabriel Valley and when we heard about the shooting, 25 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: one of the first things that we said to each 26 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: other was, Oh, my god, this is hitting way too 27 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: close to home. And the gunman in this shooting, who 28 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: we are intentionally not naming, he went to the Lielight 29 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: ball Room with the intent of killing even more people 30 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: after the the shooting at the Star Ballroom dance studio, 31 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: and it was at the lie lightbul Room where the 32 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: gunman was disarmed by brandman say, and also what a 33 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: lot of people are pointing out that he was disarmed 34 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: by a civilian, not by law enforcement, not by a 35 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: swat team, by a civilian, and so Brendon has been 36 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: called a hero and we agree, and so we definitely 37 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: wanted to name him and shoot, you know, really just 38 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: point that out that it was a civilian that disarmed 39 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: the shooter. And like mal I mentioned, this mass shooting 40 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: hit close to home in so many ways, not only geographically, 41 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: but it's part of where we grew up. So for 42 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: those unfamiliar with Monterey Park, it's an Asian immigrant Asian 43 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: American enclave in the San Gabriel Valley in La County. 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: Mom and I have origins in this community, which is 45 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: one of the reasons we wanted to cover it today. Yes, 46 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: proudly and SGV girl. The San Gabel Valley is a 47 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: part of Los Angeles County, just east of East Los 48 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: Angeles that includes twenty two cities starting right after El Serino. 49 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: Right we're getting into South Pasadena, Pasadena, Alhambra, Monterey Park, 50 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: Temple City, all the way out Pico Rivera, uh Covina, 51 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: West Covina. It's a really, really, really big area and 52 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: it's part of Los Angeles County. And I grew up 53 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: in the city of San Gabriel in Pasadena and going 54 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: to school in al Hambra, spending a lot of time 55 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: whether it was athletics with friends, visiting friends in all 56 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: the surrounding cities, including Monterey Park. For a time when 57 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: I was very small, we lived in Monterey Park for 58 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: a spell. Yeah, And I went to high school in Alhambra. 59 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: I went to an all girls school, and so I 60 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: spent a lot of my youth in al Hambra, and 61 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: I was also a runner. I was on the Crest 62 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: country team, So the distance between al Hambra and Monterey 63 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: Park is super close, so we were always like running 64 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: to Monterey Park, running through the city. I have, you know, 65 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: one of my best friends, her family, and she still 66 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: lives there in Monterey Park. And so to me, it's 67 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: like such a special place. I love when I get 68 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: to scheduled days in this in al Hambra and Monterey Park, 69 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: when I get to make a point of like going 70 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: to have lunch, they're going to have dinner there, because 71 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: it feels like an extension of home for me because 72 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: it's where I spent a lot of my youth, um 73 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: a lot of my formative high school years, and so 74 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: it has such a special place in my heart and 75 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: in my family's life because my dad actually worked in 76 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: Monterey Park for like thirty plus years in a addition 77 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: to like other parts of l a and so it's 78 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: just such a special place. My grandpa You's had like 79 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: doctors in Monterey Park. Like, we were just always frequenting 80 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: this community and so to see it on the news 81 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: in this way was super devastating, And that's one of 82 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: the reasons why we wanted or calling this an OH 83 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: to the San Gabriel Valley because it's not just about 84 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: talking about this, this tragic mass shooting, but also like 85 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: talking about the community that has made it what it is, 86 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: that has made it a thriving community. And so we're 87 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: going to bring a guest in a little bit to 88 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: talk about that, but just to um mole is going 89 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: to provide some more context about l A County and 90 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: some some data from the last year. Yeah, and a 91 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: little history too. This is not this is the worst 92 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: mass shooting in Los Angeles County in the history. This 93 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: is the most deadly mass shooting. Monterey Park also faced 94 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: was terrorized and faced violence during basically the murder spree 95 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: of Richard Ramirez, the night Stalker. He was very much 96 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: out in the San Gabriel Valley and in Monterey Park 97 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: committing acts of violence and killing people. So the community, 98 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: even though it's it's beautiful, it's considered quiet, it's suburban, 99 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: it has experienced tragedy and loss. And it's another reason 100 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: why this is really painful for everybody, because I think 101 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: a lot of folks remember that fear and for this 102 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: type of thing to take place again is really unnerving. 103 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: So last year on LOOKTA Radio, we talked about l 104 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: a versus Hate Week. According to their report on hate crimes, 105 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: there were seventy seven anti Asian crimes, the largest number 106 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: in at least twenty years, which I think is also 107 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: providing context for this incident because we're seeing this increase 108 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,559 Speaker 1: in anti Asian hate and it seems to be getting 109 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse. Yeah, and so before we 110 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: invite our guests, we wanted to talk a little bit 111 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: about the victims. Um. There's been some really great reporting 112 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: coming out of Elie Taco, the Elie Times, and pr 113 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: and um that's where we source the names of the victims. 114 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: But just a little bit about the victims. They were 115 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: all in their fifties and seventies. They love to dance 116 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: and were members of this dance community and it was 117 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: a regular Saturday night for them. And I think one 118 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: of the things that really moves me is, you know, 119 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: my mom is in her sixties and I'm like, she's 120 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: at you know, she's recently retired, and I'm like pushing her, 121 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: encouraging her to like gain hobbies, getting being involved in 122 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: the community. And that's exactly what these people were doing. 123 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: They were regulars at this this spot. It was their 124 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: local hangout spot. You know. They love to dance, they 125 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: loved ballroom, they had their community. Many of them had 126 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: been going there for decades, somewhere new to the studio, 127 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: and so it's really heartbreaking. And so I'm just going 128 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: to name them before we cue up our guests. So 129 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: one of the first victims is Valentino Marcos Alvero. He 130 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: was sixty eight. Hangen Gian was sixty two. You Loon 131 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: Cow he was seventy two, Lilyan Lee she was sixty three, 132 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: me Nion was sixty five, Mingue Ma he was seventy two, 133 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: Diana Man Ling Tom she was seventy, Moi dai Ung 134 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: was sixty seven, Chia Ling Yao was seventy six, when 135 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: Tew You was sixty four, and to Sean You, she 136 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: was fifty seven. So now to give us more insight 137 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: about the people of Monterey Park, the community of Monterey Park, 138 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: we are joined by Bianca Booty Louis. You may have 139 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: seen her tweets on your timeline where she discusses the 140 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: diasporic communities of Monterey Park. She's also a sociologist a scholar, 141 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: an activist, and an author of an upcoming book not 142 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: released yet called Unassimilable. And so we're going to be 143 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: talking to her today about her work and about the 144 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: community of Monterey Park. Alright, so we are super excited 145 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: to have our guest with us. Welcome Bianca, Please introduce yourself. 146 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: Say hello to our listeners. Hello, I'm glad to be here. 147 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: I am Bianca Mabot Louis Um. I'm a PhD student 148 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: studying sociology. I'm also writing my first book, educator Scholar 149 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: Activists originally from St. Gabriel Valley but currently in Houston. Amazing. 150 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about the book that 151 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: you're working on, and your work as a scholar very 152 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: much ties into this conversation that we're having about Monterey 153 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: Park and assimilation. And your book is called Unassimilable. So 154 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: can you tell us more about it? Yes, I'd love to. 155 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: So the book actually opens with my grandma, my maternal side, 156 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: my pop pole Um, and me growing up in San 157 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: Gabriel Valley, my parents first arriving in Monterey Park, and 158 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: it makes this argument that by looking at the ethno gurb, 159 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: it provides an alternative picture of what it could look 160 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: like to thrive in this country right where the American 161 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: perception and imagination of an immigrant is that you have 162 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: to assimilate, you have to integrate into white institutions to 163 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: just survive and have safety and belonging. But I opened 164 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: with this story of my grandma who came to this 165 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: country actually in her seventies, actually after we did um. 166 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: She was divorced, she didn't speak English, she didn't have 167 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: a car, which in so cal is very difficult to 168 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: get around, and yet she was able to actually have 169 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: a very thriving social life in her elder years. She 170 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: um lived in this apartment building where she had neighbors 171 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: who also spoke Cantonese, who she would play ma jong 172 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: with and talk ship and gossip with. Every day she 173 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: went to a Cantonese speaking church where she got baptized. 174 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: She would walk across the street and go to eighty 175 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: five degrees and get her bread every morning. Right. And 176 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, I tell this story because she was really 177 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: set up without a lot of safety nets, and there 178 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: would be a lot of barriers to her creating and 179 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: having a life in this country at that age, given 180 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: her circumstances. But she was able to thrive because of 181 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: the FNOVERB. Yeah, that story makes the argument that what 182 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: if we leaned into being unassimilable as a politic, in 183 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: particular for Asians in the US, when being unassimilable used 184 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: to be something that um was weaponized against us, against 185 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: other immigrant groups as a reason to exclude into humanize 186 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: A thank you for the that summary. And I love 187 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: that term ethno verb. I think so often people associate 188 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: suburbs with whiteness, with with wealth, uh, with with sterility 189 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: in many ways, with conformity and uniformity. And I know 190 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: in l A if you're in the city, and I 191 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: live in the city of Los Angeles now, but there's 192 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: this kind of predominant idea that the sen yor Bill 193 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: Valley is this like is wealthy suburban full of white people, 194 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: And that's not the case. And and I wonder if 195 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: you could expand more also on that, like the Senior 196 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: Bill Valley is filled with people of color, is filled 197 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: with working class folks and immigrant communities from different parts 198 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: of the Asian continent. Yeah, the term ethnoburb was actually 199 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: coined by a geographer who studied the Sandy Real Valley 200 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: and these demographic changes you're talking about, way Lee. She 201 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: has a book called Ethnoburb on it. But right, it 202 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: does kind of disrupt and trouble our ideas that suburbs 203 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: are where you go to get closer to whiteness. Um. 204 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: But actually I mean saying you Real Valley and Montary 205 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: Park in particular was historically a white suburban before that, 206 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: obviously indigenous land um. But actually post nine, actually a 207 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: lot of Chinese and Mexican and Japanese American immigrants, mostly 208 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: second gen upwardly mobile, started moving in, so it was 209 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: already becoming a more multi cultural suburb. But really it 210 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: was in the eighties when this huge demographic shift happened. Um, 211 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: when we had more quote, highly skilled Asian immigrants coming 212 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: in because that's what the immigration quote is allowed. UM. 213 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: So a lot of white collar folks from Taiwan and 214 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: Hong Kong who were also responding to political changes and 215 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: upheaval in their homelands coming Um. We have also Southeast 216 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: Asian refugees displaced by American imperialism. Um. And we also 217 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: have a lot of working class, blue collar a lot 218 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: of times undocumented Asian workers who come as well. And 219 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: so not only does the ethno burb disrupt this idea 220 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: of the suburb being where you go to get closer 221 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: to whiteness. But it's also incredibly socio economically diverse as well. 222 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: It isn't just a place for rich Asians who have 223 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: made it or who are a white collar. But actually 224 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: with that, with the socio economic diversity, there's also a 225 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: lot of nuance there. There's still exploitation, there's still the 226 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: logics and barriers that capitalism brings, and um, that's just 227 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: kind of the complexity and also the beauty of yeah, 228 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: where we come from. Thanks for giving us that context 229 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: of the Ethno burb. I feel very much like you know, 230 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: where I live in Southeast Dela could very much be 231 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: defined as an Ethno burb as like you're talking about 232 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: it where it's like this place where Latinos, latin X folks, families, 233 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: immigrants have like like strive to get to. But the 234 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: difference that I'm seeing with what you're talking about in 235 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: Monterey Park and the Sanga Valley in general is like 236 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: the the rejection of assimilation, which you know, in my 237 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: experience with our community has not very has not always 238 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: been the case. And so to really see it as 239 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: a tool to thrive, as you're saying, Um, So I 240 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: want to ask you because I was I had read 241 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: this article or had learned that in Monterey Park in 242 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: the eighties, and then there was this motion movement by 243 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: the city council to change to enforce English language signage 244 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: in Monterey Park and for it to be like mandated, 245 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: and there was like community pushback and where they weren't 246 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: able to do it. And so I'm wondering if you 247 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: can speak on that, because I feel like it's so 248 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: related to this rejection of assimilation and like we can 249 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: thrive in our in our own languages and in our community. Yeah. Well, first, 250 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: I also do want to say, like in every community, 251 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: there are plenty of folks in my community who also 252 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: do really want to assimilate, and I also understand why, right, Um, 253 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: But with the signage, that's so interesting. So something you know, 254 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: if you have even driven through San Diabriel Valley, Um, 255 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,239 Speaker 1: you'll see tons of signs in Chinese and Vietnamese in particular. 256 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: And that's correct that in the eighties there was a 257 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: big pushback against that. At that point, city council was 258 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: already diversifying quite a bit, and so in addition, to 259 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: the backlash of UM towards the multi lingual signage. I 260 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: think it was also backlash against folks of color coming 261 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: in and actually taking positions of power in the city. 262 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: And so, yes, like you said, there was this very 263 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: nativist group of white folks who have been in Montary 264 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: Park for a very very long time, launched this English 265 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: only campaign wanting to ban any multi lingual signs that 266 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: were not in English. And a lot of the rhetoric 267 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: that they used, honestly, is rhetoric we continue to see 268 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: today and that we have seen since the beginning of 269 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: this country, right that is again very xenophobic and nativist 270 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: and pushing this agenda, agenda of sure you can come here, 271 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: but you must American eye and absolutely, you know, assimilation 272 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: goes one way. You assimilate into whiteness and American nous, 273 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: but there's no way that you can actually influence or 274 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: transform the community that you're coming into, right, But that's 275 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: exactly what was happening, And so I believe what happened 276 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: was they tried to reach a middle ground where science 277 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: could continue to stay in Chinese and Vietnamese, but it 278 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: also required UM them to also be an English included 279 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: as well, which didn't actually end up satisfying anybody, but 280 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: that's what they came to so Bianca in a In 281 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: addition to the assimi the pressures to assimilate that are 282 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: coming from all these different directions, we also in the 283 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: past few years have seen anti Asian hate acts of violence, uh, 284 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: and these incidents have increased, um. And I'm wondering if 285 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: there's a connect ship to the unassimilability and the ethnoverb 286 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: concept and the anti Asian violence and the anti Asian hate, 287 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: and if there's a connection that can be drawn there, 288 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: and if it has anything to do with the most 289 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: recent shooting that we saw here in Monterey Park at 290 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: the Star Ballroom. Yeah, there's a lot of different things 291 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: happening right all at once. UM. I think one thing 292 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about is and that I kind of 293 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: inspired the concept for this book is in response to 294 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: the scapegoating that happened of Asian folks for COVID nineteen, 295 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: there was a push in wanting to prove our American nous. Actually, 296 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 1: and we see that again, Um, when Japanese Americans were 297 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: incarcerated during World War Two, there was a push to 298 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: prove your patriotism. We saw that after nine eleven two 299 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: and so very much so so politically to um, kind 300 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: of proclaim your allegiance to this country has been used 301 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: as a strategy for survival, especially during times of political upheaval. 302 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: And yet at the same time, you know, the world 303 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: post sixteen is not is different from what I knew 304 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: it right post from and all of the kind of 305 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: these rotten roots of our country have been exposed. And 306 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: so I'm seeing, you know, my community respond out of 307 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: fear and trauma to wanting to really prove our belonging 308 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: to this country. And at the same time, I'm like 309 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: sitting here like I don't want to belong here, you know, 310 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to belong to this place that only 311 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: seems to want my community for our labor, but continues 312 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: to reject our humanity and where our citizenship not just ours, 313 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: but so for so many folks can be taken away 314 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: so easily, right um. And so that was what made 315 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: me think about this concept of unassimilable, as if we're 316 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: going to be always kind of stereotyped as perpetually for 317 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: in any way, what if we again took and explore 318 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: are these examples of where folks have really leaned in 319 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: um and in being quote perpetually for and like leaned 320 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: in to refuse to learn English like my grandma and 321 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: actually been able to find spaces to thrive and community 322 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: to thrive. And so it's kind of just an exploration 323 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: and playing with what it would look like to reject 324 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: assimilation as the only form of survival, but explore what 325 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: it could look like to build our own sense of 326 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: belonging in safety. There was a second thought I had 327 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: about another part that you asked, But yeah, but in 328 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: the end, like, we hold all of these things intention right, 329 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 1: because the threat of violence is real and it's different 330 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: for different folks in our community. So I think about 331 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: the Atlanta shooting, um how that targeted massage parlor workers 332 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: who were also women. And I also think about how, 333 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, anti Asian hate is not just these interpersonal attacks, 334 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: but it's also state violence against folks in our community. 335 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: There are a lot of ways that the framework of 336 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: hate actually needs to be expanded to understand the structural 337 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: violence that our community has been er for a long time. Which, again, 338 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: when you when you understand things as structural than all 339 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: the more reason to really question is this country and 340 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: what it stands for. Is it actually something we want 341 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: to belong to it? Is it actually maybe full of 342 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: contradictions and something we actually need to indict. I'm so glad. Also, 343 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: you brought up, you know, in Atlanta that the shooting 344 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: victims who were targeted were Asian women, and it seems 345 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: like I don't have a statistic on me, but from 346 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: what I've seen, it seems to me that a lot 347 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: of the incidents of anti Asian hate have been directed 348 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: towards Asian women specifically, And the shooting in Monterey Park, 349 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: the news that that I have seen in the days 350 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: and hours since seemed to indicate that the shooter was 351 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: like looking for his wife, who I would assume is 352 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: an Asian woman. It makes me think that maybe there 353 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: was a history of domestic violence here, And what we've 354 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: learned from other match shootings is often those shooters have 355 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: kissed stories of domestic violence, hatred towards women, um assault 356 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: and battery towards women. What have you. So, I'm wondering, 357 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: like that gendered piece of it, your thoughts and how 358 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: that played a role in Monterey Park. Yeah, I think 359 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, it shows that even in our protected unassimilable 360 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: ethno words are protected spaces we build, we are still 361 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: vulnerable to violence, to gun violence, and to patriarchal violence 362 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: that exists in all of our communities. That perhaps it's 363 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: emboldened by the leniency around gun culture here and also 364 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: emboldened by just overall misogyny in our culture. Um A 365 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: PI Women Lead, which is an organization based in Oakland, 366 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: is actually has been really great and at the foreground 367 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: of making sure we have this intersectional, gendered analysis of 368 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: what we're seeing, because it's true, the data has shown 369 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: that folks who are reporting incidents of hate are predominantly women. 370 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: And um so there's two two layers to this. So 371 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: one is the reality of domestic and interpersonal violence that 372 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: is in all shootings, that is seems to be an 373 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: American problem that persists and has festered in our thriving 374 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: f noverbs, and perhaps the isolation of it again A 375 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: p A Women Lead wrote a great post on this 376 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: how isolation usually conditions violence a lot of times. And 377 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: then there's another layer where Asian women have been uniquely 378 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: marginalized in this country, where even before the Atlanta shooting, 379 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: we see how Asian women have been tokenized and sexualized 380 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: and dehumanized and imperialist wars that this country has had 381 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: an Asia. UM. We also know that, you know, before 382 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: the Chinese Exclusion Act, there was the Page Act that 383 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: first actually banned specifically Asian women from coming to this 384 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: country under the assumption that all Asian women coming were 385 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: sex workers. UM. And so Asian women were, in Paul see, 386 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: sexualized and criminalized in that way. And so UM, I 387 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: think all of these layers are helpful context for us 388 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: to understand why we see that observation that you shared. 389 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for breaking that down. You know, 390 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: I look at thought, I were constantly thinking about all 391 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: of the ways that violence against women is kind of 392 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: like the entryway for larger violence, systemic institutionalized violence. UM. 393 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: We know that this act of violence and hearing about 394 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: it is so super heavy, and that there's a community, 395 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: multiple communities that are mourning. And so you know, my 396 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: question for you to like round out this conversation and 397 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: close this conversation is how does this community and you know, 398 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: how do we as a community like heal from this 399 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: and like you know, for in our community, like Latin X, 400 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: the Latino community, mental health is like it's very still 401 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: stigmatized to get resources to talk about how you're feeling. 402 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: And so I'm wondering, like, how do from your perspective, 403 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: how do you see this playing out? And do you 404 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: think that there are enough resources for people to heal 405 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: from this? Yeah, that's such a good and hard and 406 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: necessary question. We know that there are barriers to mental 407 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: health in our communities that as you know, there are 408 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: so many Asian folks in California, but such a lack 409 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: in the state and in the country of culturally responsive, 410 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: linguistically accessible mental health care. I think part of it 411 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: is actually, you know, leaning into the interdependence that we 412 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: already see in the f NOVERB a way that you know, 413 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: it's just in a lot of our cultures to take 414 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: care of each other. Um. But I also wonder, you know, 415 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: part of that is also naming maybe making room for 416 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: some of the intergenerational pain that is in our intimate 417 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: relationships and households and communities. I think also, yeah, part 418 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: another part of maybe being unassimilable is actually leaning into 419 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: the fact that we are vulnerable to these larger structures 420 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: that inflict violence on us, and it cultivates and create 421 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: these conditions for intra ethnic violence or violence we do 422 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: onto each other, and so in terms of healing that, 423 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: it's like, I just it makes me wonder what pain 424 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: again in the midst of our thriving communities and resilience, Like, 425 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: what pain has never been addressed and has never had 426 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: anywhere to go? And it makes me wonder if that 427 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: is some of the pain that is getting in like 428 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: that we inflict onto each other. It makes me also 429 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: think about that. There's this great UM podcast episode from 430 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: Stepanie fou on Invisibility is specifically on culturally responsive mental 431 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: health care for Asian elders, many of whom are refugees, 432 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: and how those modalities for healing look very different from 433 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 1: how the Western world understands mental health, but it includes 434 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,479 Speaker 1: things like going with them to get groceries. And then 435 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: I think about how that's already things our community does 436 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: fort and with each other, you know. And so I 437 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know where I'm going with this, 438 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: but you know, I I think about just interdependence and 439 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: recognizing the pain and trauma that is invisible in a 440 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: lot of our communities, struggles and strivings to just survive 441 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: in this country absolutely and you know, for our listeners 442 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: out there, and as a quick reminder, there's always this 443 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: tendency in the United States in particular to sort of 444 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: point out, oh black all black crime, Asian on Asian crime, 445 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: like Mexican on Mexican they do it to themselves kind 446 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: of a rhetoric, right, But there is this reality that 447 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: at least in this country, the person most likely to 448 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: harm you is probably the person who has most proximity 449 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: to you, is likely someone in your own community. White 450 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: people hurt white people at very high rate. It's are 451 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: are are we're talking about also the ethno urb And 452 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: there's also this other reality of we have intense um segregation. 453 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: Ill in many ways, there's a legacy of segregation in 454 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: the country, and so our communities and are enclaves tend 455 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: to be kind of mono ethnic sometimes, right, And then 456 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: that like you're talking about the isolation, it's not just 457 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: people of color who are experiencing this, right, like white 458 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: people cause harm to each other and hurt each other 459 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: as well. And so I just wanted to throw that 460 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: out there and point that out because you know, so 461 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: as not to put we were not we never want 462 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 1: to pathologize like ourselves and I see it happening, right 463 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: and in the wake of the Monterey part shooting, people 464 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: engaging in that sort of chatter, right, Yeah, absolutely. I 465 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: mean violence happens everywhere, and I do think you know 466 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: the um, the violence that people of color do face 467 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: from the state and from whiteness. It makes this kind 468 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: of harm we do onto each other a little like 469 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: it's like the twist of the knife, right, like we 470 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: know that, Um, we know that this might happen when 471 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: we leave our protected spaces and we leave our home. 472 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: We know that racial violence exists, and when it happens 473 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: within our own communities, Yeah, it's it's another wrinkle to 474 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: the pain that I think we all collectively are trying 475 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: to figure out how to heal from and protect ourselves from. Yeah. Absolutely. 476 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: I just wanted to share some resources and if you 477 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: have any bianca like, I wanted to share that. Um Uh. 478 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: There's the Monterey Park Bruegemeyer Library has dropped in counseling 479 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: services and there are multi lingual case workers and counselors 480 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: from the Chinatown Service Center and that will be through February. 481 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: Um So head to the Monterey Park City website to 482 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: get those times you know if that's something that you 483 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: need or you know someone that needs those services. So 484 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you also, Bianca, if there's any 485 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: organizations services that you want to plug, that you want 486 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: to share. And also of course like let us know 487 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: when your book is coming out, we would love to 488 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: support it. Thank you. UM. I think there are a 489 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 1: few go fund means for the Monetary Park shooting as 490 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: well as the Halfman Bay shooting, which also happened you 491 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: know in the isolation of UM mostly Latin X and 492 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: Asian far workers. So I will I can send those 493 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: over and as well as you know, since we did 494 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: talk about the intersections of racialized and patriarchal violence again API, 495 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: women lead, they facilitate conferences, they're having conversations on the ground, 496 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: intergenerational conferences, uh, conversations about these types of issues. UM. 497 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: So I would also recommend them as a great space. 498 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,239 Speaker 1: Bianca MABOUTE. Louis, thank you so much for joining us 499 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: today on Look at our Radio. 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