1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. We're talking with UH former Governor 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Reagan and UH. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 2: During the break, we were discussing what I mentioned, UH 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: that I thought most people uh were not apathetic. I 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: think they're confused basically because you hear intelligent people from 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: uh both political parties or in the middle conservatives and liberals, 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: and they all seem to have different answers as to 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: what is going wrong in the country. Some people say, well, 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: let's let the government spend billions of dollars, and then 10 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: some other people say, no, no more federal spending. Uh, 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: let's give the tax rebase. Than the other intelligent people 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: say no, tax rebase. We've got to do this and 13 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: do that. So everybody is confused. Huh, how do you 14 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: see the thing? How are we gonna get out of this? 15 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: Well, y seleinly, I think one of the things is 16 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 3: that people keep looking at government for the answer, and 17 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: government's the problem. Yeah. You a moment ago, you you asked, 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: you know about people and feeling not only confused, but 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: low and down in America. First of all, the American people, 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: if they would just take a little inventory and look around, 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: you triple our troubles and we're better off than any 22 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 3: other people on earth. And we've asked so much of government, 23 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 3: and we've gotten in the habit over the last forty 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: years of thinking that government. 25 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: Has the answers. 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: There's very little that government can do as efficiently and 27 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: as economically as the people can do themselves. And if 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: government would shut the doors and sneak away for about 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: three weeks, we'd never miss them. 30 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: Now, if the people were had in mind, particularly no 31 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: I said this while I was in government. 32 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: Our biggest problem is that we have built a permanent 33 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: structure of government, federal, state, and local, the permanent employees, 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: and they've come to the place that they actually determined 35 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: policy in this country more than. 36 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: Does the Congress of the United States. 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: There are fourteen and a half million public employees in 38 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 3: the United States. That's quite a voting block. And the 39 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: bureaus and agencies not in Washington. I heard you talking 40 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: earlier about some of the research programs. Well, there was 41 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 3: a senator the other day and he took up some 42 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: pages of the Congressional record. He was doing the same 43 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: thing you were, listing all these crazy research programs and 44 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: how much they were costing, and wound up his speech 45 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: by introducing his own he wants to study and a 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: research of transcendental meditation. So you know, there's a state 47 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 3: senator in Michigan and he just found out the other 48 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 3: day they got a ninety three thousand dollars study on 49 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: whether Chitlin's are bad for you, And. 50 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: He said that as a fourth. 51 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: Generation Chitlan leader, he figured that he could tell you 52 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: how for ninety three cents you. 53 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: Could find out the answer to that. No, we laugh 54 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: at those things, but they do happen. 55 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 3: I guess, oh, listen, there you had some beauties and 56 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: there's some others. What would you say if I told 57 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 3: you about one a study in which this was called the. 58 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: Demography of Happiness. 59 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 3: And in this study, the government found out that young 60 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 3: people are happier in old people. 61 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: They found out that people that earn more or happier 62 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: than people that earn less. And they found out that 63 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: well people are happier than six people. That's goods was. 64 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 3: Two hundred and forty nine thousand dollars to find out 65 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: it's better to be rich, young and healthy than old poorts. 66 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 3: So what do you say now that it's the government 67 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: may be the problem. So so what do people do? 68 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: They have to look to somebody, and you say, if 69 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: they look for themselves, that's it may be good advice. 70 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: How about somebody who's on a you know, a Social 71 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: Security pension or a pension that are trying to live 72 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty dollars a month. 73 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: You know, they have to look to somebody. 74 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: I guess yeah, they're saying, hey, we can't make it, 75 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: we can't afford to go to a doctor. Well, sixty 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: two percent of the people can't stay home in an 77 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: election and cure things as we did in the last election. 78 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: I just read this week on I heard this weekend 79 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: the radio. They dropped three hundred thousand voters from the 80 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: Los Angeles rule because they didn't take the time to 81 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: go to the polls in the last election, three hundred 82 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: thousand people, the. 83 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: Lowest percentage in history. Only thirty eight percent of the 84 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: people voted in the national election. And this means that 85 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: people aren't paying any attention to what. Well here a 86 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: poll was taken recently that found out that only forty 87 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: six percent of the people in the poll could name 88 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: their United States congressman. 89 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: But what was worse, eighty six percent of those who 90 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: could name him couldn't tell you a single thing that 91 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: he represented or stood for. They just knew that he 92 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: represented the faith. 93 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: But he was a congressman. But what's he doing while 94 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 3: he's up there? And the same is true at at 95 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 3: the local levels of government and all the rest. So 96 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: you're saying people really have to take an active interest, 97 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: and you have to have citizen action groups locally and 98 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: let them know. It's certain special interest groups. Now, the 99 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 3: special interest groups are as everyone thought, big powerful business 100 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: interests are something that are going to persuade government to 101 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: do things. As a matter of fact, I don't know 102 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: anyone with less influence today in government than business. They're 103 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 3: just a convenient whipping boy. But it's the groups that 104 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: have got a particular acts to grind. You can't have 105 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: a power plant because it might interfere with the seagulls. 106 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: Now. 107 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: I think I'm an environmentalist and I do not agree 108 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: with those people way over in the edge who pave 109 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: the whole country over in the name of progress. But 110 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: also I don't like those on the other extreme that 111 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 3: won't let you build a house unless it looks like 112 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: a bird's nest. Someplace in the middle. We got to 113 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: allow people are ecology too, well, This kind of group 114 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 3: and they want their particular program. Hundreds of dollars have 115 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: been added to the cost of an automobile putting gadgets 116 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: on it to clear up the air. We're the only 117 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: country in the world that's set out to do it 118 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 3: that way. The automobile industry over and over again told government, 119 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: if they give them more time, the answer lay and 120 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 3: making the motor more efficient and making. 121 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: It burn the fuel better. 122 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: And when they were given the limited time, there was 123 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 3: only one thing they could turn to. 124 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: That was the add ons that you had to go. 125 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: And the verdict is really kind of still out on 126 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: those and whether they're going. 127 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: To add more sulfuric acid to the air or not. 128 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think is going to happen? You've 129 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: been asked this question. I'm sure you knew that I was. 130 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: What might possibly bring it up tonight? Uh, there's no 131 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: election coming up. You're uh, you're out of politics now, 132 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: but you're you were speaking and as I say, you're 133 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: going around the country, do you envision the possibility of, say, 134 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: in seventy six, if the convention, say was dead luck. 135 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: I'm giving you all the theories and so forth, and 136 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: the Conservatives took over possibly and got control of the 137 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: uh of the electoral process, and they couldn't quite make 138 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: a decision. And they came to you and said, Governor Reagan, Uh, 139 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: we can't decide between mister uh Ford mister Rockefeller were divided. 140 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: Would you like to uh would you like to go 141 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: to the White House? Uh? You remember that answer I 142 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: gave you about the CIA. 143 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna buy it. 144 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: I can understand the CIA now. 145 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: But uh No, I thought that was delicately phrased. 146 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: I yes, m butlic yeah verbos. I No. I think 147 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: it's an unanswerable question. 148 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: I don't think anyone in view with the things that 149 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 3: have gone on in the last few years, knows what's 150 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: going to happen in the. 151 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: Next two years down the road. 152 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: I think that everyone should hope and pray that people 153 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: are there will do the job so well there won't 154 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: be any question about it, because if they do, then 155 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: everything's all right with the rest of us. 156 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: You think they're doing their job. Well, well, I agree 157 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: with some things and disagree with others. 158 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: They when they give me a when they give me 159 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: a choice between a fifty three billion dollar deficit and 160 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: the budget and an eighty billion dollar deficit. When budget 161 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: deficits are what's causing inflation, I don't see that there's 162 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: any room to be on. 163 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: Either side of that argument. 164 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: I think the answer to curing inflation is a balanced budget. 165 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: Now, how do you do that? I mean, that's not 166 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: how do you balance the budget? 167 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,119 Speaker 3: Well, balancing the budget is like protecting you don't spend 168 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: more than you take in. Right now, it's like protecting 169 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: your virtue. You have to learn to say no. 170 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: There's got to be another way. What's the second option? 171 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: Well, well, there's some ways that this could be brought about. 172 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: First of all that limitation, here's another one. Why shouldn't 173 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: we have, in addition to a simplified income text, why 174 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: shouldn't we also have a law that says that any 175 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: time a legislator or a congressman introduces a spending program, 176 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: he has to introduce with it a tax program to 177 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: pay for it. Then let the people find out there 178 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: was a woman that from a financial firm that was 179 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: back of the President's Economic Council, and her words weren't quoted. 180 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: Everybody else's words got in the paper. 181 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: All the Heller's and the gall breaths, and all the 182 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: so called economists. And I have a degree in economics, 183 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 3: so I can say this. I think an economist is 184 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: someone who has a Phi beta kapakey on one end 185 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 3: of his watchchain and no watch on the other. This 186 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: woman said that you go to the polls and you 187 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 3: ask the people do they want some social service, some 188 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: program the government can give? And the people in the 189 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: polls are apt to read and say that sounds good. Yeah, 190 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: But she says that isn't exactly accurate. She says, put 191 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: a one hundred dollars bill in each person's hand and 192 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: then show them the program and say, now, isn't that 193 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: a nice program? 194 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: Do you want it? Give me the one hundred dollars. 195 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: And she says, see what the poll says then, and 196 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: how many people hang on with one hundred dollars instead 197 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: of the program? 198 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: In other word, that it's rather hidden than someone doesn't 199 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: know exactly where it's going to come. 200 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 3: They all start all the government programs, start a dollar 201 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: down and we'll catch you later, and they multiply all 202 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: of those things that you were. The Office of Management 203 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: and Budget in Washington that's responsible for the budget putting 204 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 3: the budget together cannot even tell you how many boards commissions, agencies, bureaus, 205 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: and departments there are in the federal government, but all 206 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: of them can pass regulations, and those regulations have the 207 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 3: force of law. And the difference is when you break 208 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: the law, you're in a until proven guilty. When you 209 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: break a regulation, the fellow the charges you were breaking 210 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: the regulation, you're guilty. Right If you want to take 211 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 3: him to court and prove your innocent, that's up to you. 212 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: And all of these are things that that yes, we 213 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 3: can trim the budget. There's enough fat in the federal 214 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 3: government that if you rendered it, you could wash the world. 215 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: You now, you took that. 216 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: They took a poll of the American people the past week, 217 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 2: and I think seventy eight percent or around seventy five 218 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: percent were opposed to more military aid to Vietnam and 219 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: Cambodian Southeast Asia in general. And yet the administration was 220 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 2: trying to tell the American people that a couple of 221 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: hundred million or two hundred and twenty two million dollars 222 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 2: would make some kind of difference, or that the government 223 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: might make it. And how do you feel do you 224 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: think that that is a lost cause in a way, 225 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 2: I think people can see humanitarian you know, for children, hospitals, 226 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 2: et cetera, medical supplies and food. But it seems that 227 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: the public of it almost had it up with the 228 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: military involvement, where we feel we are not directly threatened, well, 229 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: we are fed up where war we were after a 230 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: long and badly fought war. On the other hand, and 231 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: this is one I'll probably lose a lot of people 232 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: because it isn't popular a political cloak to say this today. 233 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 2: When we withdrew our troops, we made a ceasefire, a 234 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: peace agreement, and it was based on supporting the non 235 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: communist forces Indo China on a basis of one for 236 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: one replacement every bullet they expanded a bullet to replace 237 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: it if the Communists violated the ceasefire. The Communists have 238 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: violated the ceasefire seventy two thousand times since it was instituted. 239 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: And we brought our men home. 240 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 3: And I think for the United States to break its word, 241 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: we're in that agreement. 242 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: We pledge something. 243 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: And the Congress is now saying that the United States 244 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: reserves the right to just break its word and not 245 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: what are the rallies? 246 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: Is every good at trust us? 247 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: And I there's no question that backed by red China 248 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 3: and the Soviet Union. The communist forces in Vietnam and 249 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: Cambodia are on their way to take those over. They do, 250 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: of course, Llaos just automatically falls. Then they're on the 251 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: edge of Indonesia one hundred and forty million people, which 252 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: comes within fourteen miles that it's nearest point of the Philippines. 253 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: The Domino theory is in, and yes it is. And 254 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: I could see the United States one day being very, 255 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: very lonely. Now it's a very funny thing that the 256 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: same forces that want to cut our defense spending are 257 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: the same ones that want to increase all these social 258 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: services and the social tinkering and experimenting that hasn't worked, 259 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: And every time it doesn't work, they just impose a 260 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 3: more expensive program on top of it. I think the 261 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: American people, if they really look at all the facts, Yes, 262 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 3: we want fiscal responsibility, but I think we also want 263 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: a country that is strong enough at all times that 264 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: we can say, to any adventurous guys over there on 265 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 3: the other side of the water, you better look twice, brother, 266 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: before you start getting rough. We can take care of ourselves. 267 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: Who said, as you said, even before you made the 268 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: statement that would probably get mixed for your reaction. 269 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: Fun and I understand that people are and it's hard 270 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: to understand how maybe your interest is involved ten thousand 271 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: miles away, But Russia seems concerned that their interests extend 272 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: all the way to Cuba and to South America, to Chile, 273 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: into other countries of that kind. And they're the ones 274 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: that have said they're going to impose their way of 275 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: life and. 276 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: The rest of the world. We haven't said we want 277 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: to do it to the rest of the world. 278 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: Our Let me ask you one more question before you go. 279 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: Let us assume that there's a third party that neither 280 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: party seems to go. 281 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you like this approach already. 282 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: Huh, they're thrown into disarray, as they say, and a 283 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 2: third party is formed. 284 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: You think that will ever happen in this country where a. 285 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: Third party will be a major type of alternate to 286 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 2: what we have. 287 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: Well, I'd still prefer to see a revitalization of the 288 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: two major parties we have because the two party system 289 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: has served us very well. Third parties have a notorious 290 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: way of not being successful. Now, the Republican Party, some 291 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: people say, well, that was a third party one hundred 292 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: years ago, when it started. 293 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: It actually wasn't. It was a second party. 294 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: The Whig Party had shrunk and shrunk, and then the 295 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: remainder of the Whig Party said to two other groups 296 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: that had formed parties, hey, want to get together with us. 297 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: They changed their name and call themselves the other party, 298 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: and so it was, in effect the Whigs just disappeared. 299 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: It was this new second party. Maybe this is time. 300 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: Maybe it's time for realignment between people who might be 301 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: find themselves in the wrong parties. Maybe there are some 302 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: people still voting a Democrat most of my life. I 303 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: became a Republican only not too many years ago, and 304 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: I had the pleasure of telling some of those people 305 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: that are saying the Republican Party ought to broaden its 306 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 3: base the other day that when I switched parties, I 307 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: didn't do it because the two parties were alike. 308 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: I did it because they were different. 309 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 3: And I think that the two parties ought to stand 310 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: up as to what they represent, what they stand for. 311 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: A third party, they have a way of electing the 312 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: wrong people. They because they simply divide themselves from the 313 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: other forces that feel the same way, and then the 314 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: other fella sneaks in and it could happen that neither 315 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: party would represent what the people want and finally the 316 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 3: people would take some action and do something about it. 317 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: But I'd rather devote our effort to see and if 318 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 3: we can't find out what the present two parties stand 319 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: for and which one we want. 320 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: But you don't see yourself or do you see yourself 321 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: as maybe. 322 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: As a part of that actively acting politically again, I 323 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: surely don't give up, do I? 324 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? You you, you sure sure don't. I wish I 325 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: could think of a good get off. 326 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: I have Laurence Spivacs little questions. 327 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Nancy, Nancy, you know, said to say hello tonight. 328 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 3: She thought it was great that we're both in town 329 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: at the same time. 330 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: You too, I get that. Thanks for being with us. 331 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: Not really, it's a pleasure to see again. 332 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 4: If you like the Michael Berry Show and podcast, please 333 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 4: tell one friend, and if you're so inclined, write a 334 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 4: nice review of our podcast. 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