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Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: with one of the smartest people to work for President Trump,

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Speaker 1: somebody I've known since he was working at the US

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Speaker 1: Senate on budget issues. My guest is Stephen Miller, former

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Speaker 1: senior adviser to President of Trump, and he's here to

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Speaker 1: as a very very thoughtful person who's been engaged in

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Speaker 1: policy for years. It's all said, I'm talking about how

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Speaker 1: he thinks President Biden's liberal policies threatening the entire future

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Speaker 1: of the United States. So see when it's great to

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Speaker 1: have you with us, said, I can't tell you how

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Speaker 1: much I have cherished the many years that we work together,

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Speaker 1: all the way back to your time in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious we can sell your background and you

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Speaker 1: grew up in a liberal household, is you yes? Well, First,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for that very kind introduction,

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Speaker 1: and at the risk of getting too Sacharin, I want

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Speaker 1: to say what a tremendous privilege and pleasure it's been

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Speaker 1: glean so much wisdom from your insights and your experience

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Speaker 1: over these many years. As you alluded to it back

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Speaker 1: when I was a staffer on Capitol Hill and how

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Speaker 1: helpful you were, And of course you had no way

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Speaker 1: I think it is important for people to know that

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Speaker 1: new does that kind of thing all the time, where

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Speaker 1: he will reach out to people who are working in

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Speaker 1: staff jobs on Capitol Hill. In my case at the time,

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Speaker 1: it was the Budget Committee, as you mentioned, to help

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Speaker 1: them figure out how to articulate their ideas better, how

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Speaker 1: to me now throughout my whole career, So every want

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Speaker 1: to thank you for that. Either one. There was even

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Speaker 1: away on your laptop. For a very long time, you

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Speaker 1: amazing to imagine you going from the Senate Budget Committee

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Speaker 1: to become the chief articulator of a national campaign, and

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Speaker 1: then of course you went there in the way. But

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Speaker 1: let me go back to the beginning. When you grew

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Speaker 1: you become conservative? Like so many people of my background

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Speaker 1: day new because virtually all of Democrat money comes from big,

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Speaker 1: powerful institutions, and all of these big powerful institutions are

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Speaker 1: the ones that are only supporting Democrats but blacklists and

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Speaker 1: conservative voices. But at the time, the Republicans that allowed

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Speaker 1: themselves to get typecast as the party of big business.

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Speaker 1: And if we're being honest and engaging in some self examination.

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Speaker 1: They weren't doing enough the cells to push in advanced

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Speaker 1: policies to show that separation and to demonstrate that they

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Speaker 1: were on the side of working people. A great example

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Speaker 1: this being China. Right, obviously a big feature of the

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Speaker 1: President's campaign, but Republicans had failed to take a clear

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Speaker 1: stance on China's cheating, its abusive the economic system is

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Speaker 1: plundering of American ip I could come across at times

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Speaker 1: as a party of being too concerned about the investor class,

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Speaker 1: if you will, who can make money regardless of where

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Speaker 1: a factory cited right. In other words, if you have

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Speaker 1: a factory producing ac units, it doesn't matter for the

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Speaker 1: investor that factories in China because their capital can move.

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Speaker 1: But the American labor, of course, they're not going to

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Speaker 1: move to China, so that factory moves, they're out of work.

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Speaker 1: That's just one issue. I could cite many others, But

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Speaker 1: I've been preoccupied with this idea that the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: was failing to two and capture working class voters. And

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Speaker 1: you know the evidence of that was Mitt Romney. The

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Speaker 1: bottom fell out in twenty twelve with Republican support for

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Speaker 1: Americans earning under fifty k. It was a train wreck

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Speaker 1: under thirty k, and it was a pretty thorough shellacking

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Speaker 1: under fifty k. And it was clear after Romney's debacle

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Speaker 1: and the loss of the working class voters that some

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Speaker 1: urgent steps needs to be taken to win back those voters.

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Speaker 1: And when Candiment Trump came in proposing a flew of

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Speaker 1: policies that had deep intellectual and intrinsic appeal to blue

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Speaker 1: collar voters. What you're talking about making NATO pay it's

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Speaker 1: fair share, which is a classic example of Washington not

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Speaker 1: getting it, but blue collar workers tearing deeply about whether

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Speaker 1: or not the taxpayer dollars are going to fund troop

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Speaker 1: deployments in Germany that Germany isn't paying for themselves. That's

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Speaker 1: a huge issue that the establishment class never understood. The

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Speaker 1: President Trump was focused on and burdens sharing our alliances

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Speaker 1: in general. Whether the President was talking about how to

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Speaker 1: unwind these costly conflicts in the Middle East, again disproportionately

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Speaker 1: born on the backs working class families. Obviously, the huge

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Speaker 1: issue of the border in trade. I knew then that

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Speaker 1: he had a formula that was going to win the

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Speaker 1: primary and most likely was going to win the general election,

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Speaker 1: and so I reached out to the campaign frankly within

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Speaker 1: days of his announcing. So when you lose out to

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Speaker 1: the campaign, I mean, did you volunteer full time or

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Speaker 1: what happened? I got in touch through a mutual acquaintance

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Speaker 1: with Corey Lewandowski and at the time you still working

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Speaker 1: in the Senate, and so I volunteered to help out

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Speaker 1: on the side. So I wrote couple of policy papers,

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Speaker 1: I edited other policy documents in my spare time, I

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Speaker 1: pitched stories to reporters, and I also helped advise about

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Speaker 1: here is some potential supporters that you could find, here's

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Speaker 1: some news outlets that you should be working with to

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Speaker 1: help get more support on this or that item, and

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Speaker 1: just offering my context and my expertise such as it was,

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Speaker 1: and again doing some policy work. And then around Christmas

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Speaker 1: time is when I said I want to go ahead

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Speaker 1: and do this full time. I called Corey and asked

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Speaker 1: for a formal, paying, full time position, which meant coming

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Speaker 1: up to New York City. That's when I got the

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Speaker 1: title of senior policy advisor for the Trump campaign. And that,

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Speaker 1: as you pointed out, that it really eventually involved to

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Speaker 1: include speech writing as well. What was it like to

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Speaker 1: just be on the plane writing like crazy between each stuff.

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Speaker 1: It was exhilarating. I had a very unique set up

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Speaker 1: because I think it was the first time in campaign

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Speaker 1: history in twenty sixteen, that the policy shop and the

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Speaker 1: speech writing shop were emerged, which provided a radical efficiency

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Speaker 1: of action so fast forwarth through time you get to

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Speaker 1: general election. So Hillary Clinton could give a speech that

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Speaker 1: we could be watching on TV, and we could write

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Speaker 1: a new policy and a new speech on the airplane,

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Speaker 1: working with the president, and have it ready to deliver

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Speaker 1: before we landed in the next stop. They provided an

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Speaker 1: extraordinary degree of tactical agility to be able to develop

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Speaker 1: new policy and new rhetoric on the fly, literally on

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Speaker 1: the fly in this case, on an airplane. And I've

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Speaker 1: always been a very calm, i'd like to think, level

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Speaker 1: headed person, but this experience required me and I think

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Speaker 1: captured it well. You just have to sort of find

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Speaker 1: your inners in. Sure, you're landing in thirty minutes, but

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Speaker 1: you know what, You'll finish typing in twenty three and

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Speaker 1: a half minutes, and I'll give you just enough time

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Speaker 1: to hit send and print. And so just very cool

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Speaker 1: to calmly, just typing away, getting it done. For those

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Speaker 1: of your listeners who are golf fans, writing a speech

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Speaker 1: under intense time pressure is like hitting a good golf shot.

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Speaker 1: If you grip too tightly, you're going to shank it.

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Speaker 1: You were somehow relaxed in the middle of chaos. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I found that to be sort of my hallmark, if

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Speaker 1: you will, and it's a skill that served me well

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Speaker 1: in doing high profile foreign policy addresses when we were

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Speaker 1: traveling overseas, because you know, it could be four o'clock

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Speaker 1: in the morning, there's some like big foreign pulse se development.

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Speaker 1: You have to make some huge change to a speech,

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Speaker 1: translators so he can get into the earpieces of all

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Speaker 1: the foreign dignitaries listening in half a dozen different languages.

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Speaker 1: And does anybody know if the National Security Advisor has

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Speaker 1: read it or not? If so, do we have to

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Speaker 1: wake him up? And what's he going to think of

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Speaker 1: this section? And then we have to make sure that we,

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Speaker 1: of course have time to go over it again with

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Speaker 1: the President and again get his at it. If you're

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Speaker 1: anything other than just extraordinarily calm, you're going to make mistakes.

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Speaker 1: You just have to have this very just peaceful attitude

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Speaker 1: about the whole thing, and that will bring out your

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Speaker 1: best writing. Well, at least as I've observed him. You're

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Speaker 1: working for Trump, he could easily be changing things almost

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Speaker 1: up to the moment of delivery, almost always in fact,

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Speaker 1: at the moment of delivery. You know, but we're jumping

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Speaker 1: through time here. But the first time that I flew

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Speaker 1: on the President's playing with him, he immediately just put

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Speaker 1: me at ease. He has this way of managing people

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Speaker 1: where and I'd met him before, but I mean the

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Speaker 1: first time as his employee, was on the plane with him,

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Speaker 1: and he has this way of just giving you that

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Speaker 1: summer reassurance, telling you that he has confidence in you,

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Speaker 1: that he knows you're going to do a good job.

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Speaker 1: That this way of just again bringing out your very

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Speaker 1: best work product. I can honestly say, having worked for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, that you're never going to meet

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Speaker 1: anybody that as a boss makes you feel more appreciated

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Speaker 1: when you give it your best. And he always so complimentary,

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Speaker 1: so kind. If you wrote something good and he was

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Speaker 1: reviewing it and reading it, even he had some changes

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Speaker 1: that he wanted to make some things are a little

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Speaker 1: bit different. He would go out of his way to

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Speaker 1: pause always and say, Wow, it's a really great job.

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Speaker 1: You really nailed it, and he meant it. And again,

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Speaker 1: you know this new because you've worked around a lot

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Speaker 1: of politicians your whole life. There's a lot of politicians

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Speaker 1: who are less than voluminous in their praise and appreciation

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Speaker 1: for their staff. Doesn't strike you that you're describing a

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Speaker 1: remarkably different front than the news medium. Yes, the disparity

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Speaker 1: between how he's betrayed and the person that he is

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Speaker 1: affable warm. He didn't lose his temper with me in

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Speaker 1: the entire time that I've known him. Now, again, here's

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Speaker 1: how that matters, because you and I come from this world.

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Speaker 1: You obviously operated at the highest level in politics, which

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Speaker 1: is to be the Speaker of the House. But we've

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Speaker 1: both been in politics, so you and I understand that

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Speaker 1: politicians loosing their temper with their staff is about as

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Speaker 1: common as the sun rising in the morning. In the

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Speaker 1: whole time that I worked for him, in all these

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Speaker 1: intense moments, all these high pressure situations, all of these

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Speaker 1: high stakes events, never had an incident where he lost

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Speaker 1: his temper with me. By the way, I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: cared if he did. He had every right too. He's

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Speaker 1: the president of the United States. He needed the best

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Speaker 1: out of his people. He needs to motivate however he can.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that because it'd be a problem if

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Speaker 1: he did. Everyone's entitled to lose her temper from time

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Speaker 1: to time. My point is just to say that as

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Speaker 1: a boss, he was so easy to work with. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the highest levels of power, and yet he would call

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Speaker 1: me before a big event six o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 1: They just say, hey, Steve, so we get the big

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Speaker 1: speech at the u N today, Like you know, yes, sir, Hey,

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Speaker 1: here's some ideas I have. Type these out, send them

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Speaker 1: over to me. Do the best you can type them out,

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Speaker 1: spend it back to him. He'd say, hey, all right,

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Speaker 1: open up your computer, line three. Change this. Okay, next thing,

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Speaker 1: change this all right over here, change this, scratch that paragraph,

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Speaker 1: give this a try. Like that was the nature of it.

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Speaker 1: It was a thrill to work with him. And as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned it, he's editing things constantly, constantly, constantly up

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Speaker 1: to the last second, and also doing very long form dictations.

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Speaker 1: You know, he'll dictate two or three pages in a row, unbroken,

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Speaker 1: but always so calm about it, always so reassuring, which

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Speaker 1: is unusual in this line of work. Right to be

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Speaker 1: doing that kind of work at that level as I

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Speaker 1: did for five straight years, I mean that tells you

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Speaker 1: because a lot of times people would get quote unquote

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Speaker 1: burnt out. I never was even close to getting burned

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Speaker 1: out because he made it such a joy. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: one of these I was intrigued by is that you

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Speaker 1: could give Trump a speech he had approved. He could

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Speaker 1: be on the teleprompter, but particularly at the rallies, he

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Speaker 1: would then segue off and come back, and you had

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Speaker 1: to somehow figure out on the teleprompter where he was

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Speaker 1: coming back to, because he would riff and try to

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Speaker 1: make it sufficiently unpredictable that the audience was engaged with him.

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Speaker 1: Did you find that tricky to try to figure out

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Speaker 1: the teleprompter interface with a guy who was willing to

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Speaker 1: go off on various rister and his speech. Well, you

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Speaker 1: know a lot of Pepe don't know this, but he

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Speaker 1: had a teleprompter operator that he developed a strong working

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Speaker 1: partnership with, and so the two of them really sort

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Speaker 1: of understood each other's rhythms for lack of a better term,

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Speaker 1: but that sort of became intrinsic to the process, right,

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Speaker 1: And so I think a good way to think about

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Speaker 1: it is this, people come to a rally speech expecting

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Speaker 1: to hear authentic, real time President Trump interacting with the audience,

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Speaker 1: you know, feeding off of their energy and following their cues.

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Speaker 1: So if you know they're really interested in the topic, right,

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Speaker 1: he'll take note of it. Instead of moving on, He'll

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Speaker 1: keep digging into that topic. What that means from a

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Speaker 1: writing standpoint is that you need to and again, this

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Speaker 1: is all done collaborately. The rally speeches kind of developed

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Speaker 1: like the English constitution, right, they're based on a long

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Speaker 1: body of unspoken common law. By that, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: just gradually gradually of all sort of So here's what's

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Speaker 1: work class time, keep that, here's what we'd like to change,

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Speaker 1: change that, and then you just keep building off that template.

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Speaker 1: And it's entirely done based upon just getting constant feedback

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Speaker 1: and constant input from the President, so that it exists

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Speaker 1: as a kind of living text, and so it gets

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Speaker 1: them from a writing standpoint, that's what it means is

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Speaker 1: you create this living text that sort of breathes that

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Speaker 1: allows you to move in and out versus say like

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Speaker 1: a formal speech, like just to take a random one

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Speaker 1: like the speech to Riod, Saudi Arabia, one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite speeches that President Trump did over the last five years.

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Speaker 1: And I think that historians will say President trump speech

651
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Speaker 1: to Riod, based on his conviction and his insight about

652
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: how to reframe the Middle East, completely changed the future

653
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Speaker 1: of the Middle East and opened up the pathways to

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Speaker 1: peace between Israel and its neighbors, and also opened up

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Speaker 1: the pathway towards Arab and Muslim nations finally being able

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Speaker 1: to take a stand against extremism. Let me switch totally

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Speaker 1: to the current US. What is your analysis of the

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Speaker 1: opening couple of weeks of the Biden presidency. Well, for

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Speaker 1: one thing, it's the exact opposite of what I described

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Speaker 1: in terms of that top down process. So if President Trump,

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Speaker 1: it was top down in the best sense of the word. Right,

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Speaker 1: you elect a leader. Note, you elect somebody to have

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Speaker 1: a vision, to have convictions, and then to hire a

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Speaker 1: staff and run a government to put those views and

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Speaker 1: convictions into effect. That such democracy works, the energetic executive

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Speaker 1: and so everything. President Trump believed everything President Trump felt

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Speaker 1: in his heart was the right thing for America, which

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Speaker 1: was always his north star. Was communicated to his staff.

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Speaker 1: If he'd call me and he'd say, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: we need to develop a message from the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: Here's my thoughts on policy, here's my thoughts on rhetoric,

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Speaker 1: here's my thoughts on how we need to frame this thing.

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Speaker 1: And it was very top down on policy, on process,

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Speaker 1: on content, the whole thing. You can tell very clearly

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration, having been in the White House, having

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Speaker 1: been on campaigns, having worked in Congress, have we worked

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Speaker 1: for many principles which you can tell if it's bottom up,

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Speaker 1: but in the worst possible meaning of that phrase, because

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Speaker 1: bottom up in the White House means that unelected people

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Speaker 1: are running the country. So you can tell with his

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Speaker 1: speeches that President Biden has no idea the meaning of

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Speaker 1: what he's saying. I'm not saying that as a pejorative note.

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Speaker 1: When he's talking about reintroducing critical race theory and fighting

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Speaker 1: institutional racism, Joe has no clue what he's talking about.

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Speaker 1: He issued an executive order right reimposing critical race theory

686
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Speaker 1: training in the federal government. If Joe Biden said that

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Speaker 1: in the table, without any notes, than any coaching, any anything,

688
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Speaker 1: And with that, the floor is yours for five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what critical race theory is and why you've

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Speaker 1: just ordered it imposed on the whole country. You and

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Speaker 1: I both know he couldn't answer that question. Then why

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Speaker 1: did they give a speech about it? And then why

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Speaker 1: do these time an executive order? Because junior staffers in

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Speaker 1: his White House are pushing their pet projects through the government.

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Speaker 1: That is a very scary thing, right, the wheels are off.

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Speaker 1: But you're seeing with the slew of executive orders, you

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Speaker 1: have people, maybe you know, the majored in political science

698
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Speaker 1: at Brown University and they graduated three years ago and

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Speaker 1: they read Slate and Nation Magazine every single day. And

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Speaker 1: now they're writing executive orders and they're shoving them through

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Speaker 1: people who have no sense of how these policies impact

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Speaker 1: real lives and real people. Right, And you're seeing that,

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Speaker 1: you know, very calamitously on the border. This is what

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Speaker 1: happens when you have people who have no law enforcement knowledge,

705
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Speaker 1: no law enforcement experience, no contact with the real world,

706
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Speaker 1: playing make believe government, except it's real life. And it

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Speaker 1: is very clear to me that Joe Biden is discovering

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Speaker 1: what he's saying as he's saying it, that he's not

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Speaker 1: actively involved in creating the content of his speeches and

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Speaker 1: especially in the policies they're in. And that's a very

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Speaker 1: scary thing. So how long do you think they can

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Speaker 1: sustain all of this? It's a really great question. So

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Speaker 1: he's done, roughly speaking, fifty executive orders and actions, which

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Speaker 1: even liberal journalists have acknowledged is the most ever by

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Speaker 1: a long shot in this timefront. And they're systematically re

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Speaker 1: ending and reordering our society. Some of them are happening

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Speaker 1: right away. Some of them are a roadmap for very

718
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Speaker 1: extreme regulations to come down the road. So, for example,

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Speaker 1: on his Energy Executive Order, he requests a plan on

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Speaker 1: how to deal with the social cost of carbon, right,

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Speaker 1: the social cost of carbon. So that's laying the groundwork

722
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Speaker 1: for a massive government intervention to every aspect of American life.

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Speaker 1: Then you have things that are happening immediately right away.

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Speaker 1: Keystone Pipeline gone, those jobs gone, right, orders open, Those

725
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Speaker 1: things are happening immediately. And it really is a communication

726
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Speaker 1: is challenge new it is. What I would submit to

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Speaker 1: you is it's a communications challenge because you and I

728
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Speaker 1: are following this, Your listeners are following this, Engaged people

729
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Speaker 1: online are following it. But if you're just an everyday

730
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Speaker 1: citizen working a job, if you're lucky enough in the

731
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Speaker 1: pandemic and you're getting your news just whatever stories are

732
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Speaker 1: pushed on Facebook or Twitter or whatever you're going to

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Speaker 1: see on the broadcast news or flipping through the channels

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes on CNN, or just reading a wire story

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Speaker 1: that gets in your local paper, you'd have no idea

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Speaker 1: any this is going on. Republicans need to mount in

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00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: extremely diligent, aggressive communications operation to educate the American public

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Speaker 1: that each and every act and what it means and

739
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Speaker 1: how it impacts their life. If they do that, this

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Speaker 1: part would be unsustainable because gravity always catches up with you.

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Speaker 1: We're not even a center left country, let alone a

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Speaker 1: radical left country. You cannot govern it this way for

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Speaker 1: a long period of time if people are actually informed

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Speaker 1: at what you're doing. So, I think that's the answer

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Speaker 1: to your question. But in that context, how big a

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Speaker 1: challenge is the absolute stone wall of the media to

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Speaker 1: carry in the storage a huge challenge. Obama didn't have

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Speaker 1: a protective shield even approaching that. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you compare Obama and Biden again, whatever

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Speaker 1: you may say about Obama, there's no question whatsoever they

751
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: had a very clear vision that he was very committed to,

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Speaker 1: that he believed in very deeply, and then he spent

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Speaker 1: a lot of time and energy trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to articulate. You know, in a sense, you'd rather

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Speaker 1: have that than a case where unseen, unfeard of staffers

756
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Speaker 1: are rewriting the whole rules of American society with absolutely

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Speaker 1: no public accoun ability of any kind whatsoever. But to

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Speaker 1: your question, Obama never had that kind of protective shield

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Speaker 1: where major outlets would make entire storylines just disappear, and

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Speaker 1: where social media companies, which now far more than then

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Speaker 1: people rely upon it for their news, can create a

762
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Speaker 1: completely opened, it constructed reality if they desire. And that

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Speaker 1: does present fairly existential balance for conservatives in terms of

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Speaker 1: overcoming that, And I think that one of the answers

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Speaker 1: there is to really make sure that we're all pushing

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Speaker 1: as conservatives the same message at the same time. Because

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Speaker 1: it's easy to make a single person disappear, it's easy

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Speaker 1: to make two or three voices go silent. You know,

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Speaker 1: if one person steps out from the pack and says, hey,

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Speaker 1: this thing is going on, I don't like it, it's

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Speaker 1: easy to erase that person's presence online. But if everybody,

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Speaker 1: all the House Republicans, all the Sienate Republicans, all the

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Speaker 1: major voices in the conservative movement are all speaking the

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Speaker 1: same truth at the same time, even about the most

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Speaker 1: controversial issues. Take for example, this issue about Biden trying

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Speaker 1: to have men compete in women's athletics. You know, the

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Speaker 1: single individual tweets a wrong thought on that issue, the

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Speaker 1: tweet will be erased from the face of the earth.

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Speaker 1: But you can't make everybody's thought disappear. Definitely a strength

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Speaker 1: and number concept here. I've noticed that the American left

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Speaker 1: is now getting so radical that even the French I

782
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Speaker 1: begin to worry about it. What is your take on

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Speaker 1: the whole French reaction against the American left. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a really telling inflection point. And so the first

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Speaker 1: time that I noticed this phenomenon about US as a

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Speaker 1: country sending destructive political values to other countries was when

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Speaker 1: they started the statute destruction effort in the United Kingdom. Right,

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Speaker 1: So this was something that came up in the United States,

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Speaker 1: a radical left, progressive effort to purge and rewrite history,

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Speaker 1: which I mentioned earlier. Something's been going on for a

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Speaker 1: long time, but it just gained esteem and force, and

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Speaker 1: it's mainstream within the left recently. And then when I

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Speaker 1: saw them trying to take down bus of Churchill in

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Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, I said to myself, we've really gone

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Speaker 1: full circle here. The United States is the summit of

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Speaker 1: Western civilization. Western civilization is evolved for years and centuries,

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Speaker 1: tracing back to the earliest civilizations, ancient Greece, and we

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Speaker 1: took all the best features, we learned from all of

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Speaker 1: the mistakes, and we created this extraordinary republic. And now

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Speaker 1: there's a movement of self loathing, deep seated self loathing

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Speaker 1: on the left of it sincere some of it's a

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Speaker 1: craven vehicle for power. Now we're exporting that self loathing

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Speaker 1: to other countries in Western civilization and threatening in turn

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Speaker 1: to fracture those societies. Before the pandemic, one of the

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Speaker 1: enjoyable things about my job was a chance to interact

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Speaker 1: and have meetings with ambassadors of different countries and talk

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Speaker 1: about world's affairs. And so I had a chance to

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Speaker 1: have dinner a few times with the French ambassador, who

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Speaker 1: in their system is a career civil servant rather than

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Speaker 1: a political appointee, and we talked a lot about political

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Speaker 1: issues of the day. But one thing, even though he

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Speaker 1: was a liberal, he was very emphatic on was the

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Speaker 1: importance of French identity. It made it very clear in

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Speaker 1: saying that to him, French identity was explicitly non racial,

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Speaker 1: was not a racial identity. Never ever did that enter

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Speaker 1: his mind, that it was a cultural identity, and that

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Speaker 1: this is why they didn't use hyphenated terms in France.

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Speaker 1: In other words, the way that you know, in America

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Speaker 1: we say Italian American or a Latin American or Polish American.

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Speaker 1: He says that in France, we don't do that. In France,

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Speaker 1: we're just French, and the idea of French citizenship, of quality, fraternity,

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Speaker 1: brotherhood is fundamental to who we are. And so I

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Speaker 1: think what you're seeing right now in France, it's dismay

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Speaker 1: that identity politics are taking root in now the global left,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, again it's been long in a

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Speaker 1: vehicle for disunity in our country, but now it's taken

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Speaker 1: a root in the global left and is being used

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Speaker 1: to try to fracture in splinter other societies. And that's

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Speaker 1: not to say it would be very clear. France has

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Speaker 1: been making a lot of very terrible political decisions for

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Speaker 1: a very long time, and there's plenty of blame here

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Speaker 1: to go around. But the point that I'm making is

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Speaker 1: that the progressive left in America has developed an ideology

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Speaker 1: that it's inherently to any society where it takes root. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, and I think that it is

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Speaker 1: almost neollustic that in the end, if you follow a

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Speaker 1: logical conclusion, everything falls apart. It's a philosophy that's at

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Speaker 1: war with nature itself. Right. We see that increasingly, and

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Speaker 1: you know, our founding fathers were big believers in the

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Speaker 1: idea that a good understanding of human nature had to

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Speaker 1: inform the creation of our government. And I want to

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Speaker 1: get off into this too much, but we just illustrate

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Speaker 1: the point that you know, checks and balances on power

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Speaker 1: because you understand the human nature for avarice and greed,

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Speaker 1: understanding the need to have a Senate to make sure

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Speaker 1: that the instant passions of the moment in the house

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Speaker 1: could be cooled, to have an electoral College to make

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Speaker 1: sure that our states is sovereign, entities could have a

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Speaker 1: say in our electoral process and on. They understood that

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Speaker 1: people need to feel a sense of ownership and belonging

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Speaker 1: over the place and where they lived. All of those

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Speaker 1: things were informed by understanding of human nature. The left

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Speaker 1: that war with human nature. Isn't that why the seventeen

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Speaker 1: seventy sixth Commission was really an important idea, by the way,

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Speaker 1: to my point about bottom up. So Biden canceled the

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Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six Commission in a speech explaining that it

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Speaker 1: was all manner of a historical and threatening and so forth.

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Speaker 1: Does anybody really believe that Joe Biden knows anything about

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Speaker 1: what was in the seventeen seventy six commission that Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden woke up in the morning and said, boy, I

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Speaker 1: really want to cancel the seventeen seventy six Commission for

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Speaker 1: the following and reasons. Now, somebody on his staff who's

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Speaker 1: going to cancel sevente sevent six commission. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the seventeen seventy six Commission is all about

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Speaker 1: telling the true story of American history as an exceptional nation.

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Speaker 1: I would argue it is foundational to destroy Americans faith

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Speaker 1: in their own country and its history. It's a prerequisite

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Speaker 1: for a radical transformation because if you believe that our

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Speaker 1: that were done in the past that we're wrong, but

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Speaker 1: compared to other nations, the United States is the most

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Speaker 1: virtuous country that has ever existed. But if you believe

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Speaker 1: that America is an iniquitous nation, an unworthy nation, is

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Speaker 1: systemically racist nation, then the current system isn't worth preserving.

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Speaker 1: And that's why it's so foundational to the left to

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Speaker 1: destroy Americans faith in themselves, their past, and their present,

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Speaker 1: because that is the precondition for building their new future.

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Speaker 1: But when I say is it war with human nature?

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Speaker 1: What I mean by that is that teaching people to

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Speaker 1: hate themselves, teaching people to hate country, teaching people to

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Speaker 1: hate their past is unnatural. It is unnatural. Teaching children

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Speaker 1: to hate their surroundings is unnatural. Societies flourish and societies

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Speaker 1: grow when they have a healthy patriotic spirit. It's the

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Speaker 1: glue that holds us together, and it's this thing that

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Speaker 1: inspires us to be better and greater tomorrow. Without that,

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Speaker 1: society begins to unravel. So let me ask you to

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Speaker 1: go from the gigantic historic struggles. What's nice for you? Well,

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Speaker 1: I've got a lot of different projects that I'm working on,

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Speaker 1: and it's hard to believe it's only been a few

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Speaker 1: days since there was a change in administrations. I also

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Speaker 1: have a young daughter at home, just about three months old,

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Speaker 1: and so she keeps her mom and dad very busy.

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Speaker 1: But I'm working in a few different projects that I

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Speaker 1: hope I can be back and up to everybody on soon.

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Speaker 1: The shortest umbrella concept that I would provide is this,

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Speaker 1: the movement the President Trump started in twenty sixteen has

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Speaker 1: so much more to build and grow and add and contribute.

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Speaker 1: I want to be a part of articulating and developing

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Speaker 1: these ideas and policies and philosophies. I want to be

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Speaker 1: a part of protecting our country today about pushing back

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Speaker 1: against the Biden administrations law this overreach, and creating a

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Speaker 1: roadmap for helping to take back the House, take back

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Speaker 1: the White House, and build the country that is more unified,

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Speaker 1: more safe and more prosperous. That's tremendous. Will listen. I

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Speaker 1: have no doubt, given the journey you've already been on,

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Speaker 1: that the next chapter will be equally exciting and equally

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Speaker 1: positiveness contribution. And I look forward in the future to

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Speaker 1: having you come back and report to us as your

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Speaker 1: personal odyssey continues. That's very kind and I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to do that. And I want to thank you again

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Speaker 1: for your leadership, your inspiration, and i'd hope that again

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Speaker 1: your audience knows that behind the scenes, Newts spends an

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Speaker 1: extraordinary amount of time mentoring to younger conservatives who are

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Speaker 1: just getting started out on their careers, asking for no

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Speaker 1: credit himself, just to help cause, just to help the movement.

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Speaker 1: And it's unseen, but he does it every single day. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're very kind and so frankly working people. I use

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Speaker 1: such a joy that it would be hard not to

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Speaker 1: do it. So I'm delighted, and I wish you and

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Speaker 1: your family the great future, and I look forward to

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Speaker 1: hearing from me. Thank you, look forward to talking to

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Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest, Stephen Millard. You can read

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Speaker 1: more about his time in the White House on our

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