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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't she just go away?

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Speaker 2: So called Moscow Mule Mom Cory Richins defenses arguing that

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Speaker 2: about it. Corey Richins charging the poisoning death of her husband,

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Speaker 2: the father of their children. I'm Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 2: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in the

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Speaker 2: last days. Moscow Mule Mom. Corey Richins lawyers insist Summit

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Speaker 2: County Sheriff's office illegally obtain evidence investigating her in connection

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Speaker 2: to the death of her husband, Eric Richins. They want

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Speaker 2: data from her phone and Apple accounts, the controversial letter

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Speaker 2: recovered from her jail cell, commonly referred to as the

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Speaker 2: Walk the Dog letter, where she's trying to scrape up

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Speaker 2: an all by and convinced people to lie for her,

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Speaker 2: and statements made by Corey Richings before her arrest. All

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Speaker 2: three of those bodies of evidence are subject to being suppressed.

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Speaker 2: Repeat three motions to suppress made by Moscow Mule Mom

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Speaker 2: Corey Richins. One statements made by Riches before her arrest,

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Speaker 2: two data from her phone and Apple accounts, and three

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Speaker 2: the controversial Walk the Dog letter. What happened to Corey

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Speaker 2: Richards's husband Eric. First of all, take a listen to

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Speaker 2: our friends say ku TV.

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Speaker 3: This is the home where police found Eric Richards dead

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Speaker 3: on his bedroom floor in March. Sir Richins and his

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Speaker 3: wife Corey were celebrating a business accomplishment the night he died.

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Speaker 3: Corey made Eric a moscow mule, which he drank in

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Speaker 3: the bedroom.

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Speaker 1: They say. Corey told authorities that.

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Speaker 3: She left to help one of their children and return

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Speaker 3: to the bed several hours later. It was then they say,

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Speaker 3: she noticed Eric was cool to the touch and called.

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Speaker 1: Nine one one.

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Speaker 2: What a horrible event to leave your husband go fall

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Speaker 1: With me in all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now.

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Speaker 2: But first I want to go to chief Medical Examiner

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Speaker 2: out of Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer, University of Texas,

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Speaker 2: Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School, Dtor Kendall Crowns,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Crowns. It's such an honor to have you and

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Speaker 2: doctor Paul Christo with us.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Crown's. My first question to.

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Speaker 2: You is how long has a body How long has

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Speaker 2: the person been dead before their body is cold to

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Speaker 4: Hugely wants your hearts reading, and your body are taking

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Speaker 4: happen in a probably about a half hour to an

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, doctor Kindle Crowns. I know you're the

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Speaker 2: MD and I'm the JD. But I believe I'm going

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Speaker 2: to seek a second opinion. I'm going to go to

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Speaker 2: doctor Paul Christo, professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine,

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Speaker 2: author of Aches and Gains, A Comprehensive Guide to Overcoming

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Speaker 2: Your Pain, Doctor Paul Christo, I thought it would take

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Speaker 2: so much longer for a body to get completely cold

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Speaker 2: Crowns regarding the ambient air in the room and what difference.

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Speaker 1: That would make.

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Speaker 2: But in this case, they were at home with their

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Speaker 2: three little boys, so I'm assuming I think it's safe

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Speaker 5: Right, I mean, I would probably say somewhere around similar,

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Speaker 5: Doctor Crown, probably, you know, forty minutes to an hour's.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Paul Christo. How often do people just die in

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Speaker 2: their sleep? I mean, this is a young man who

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Speaker 5: Not very often surprised to say, I mean, this is

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Speaker 5: pulmonary problems. It's very rare just to drop dead in.

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Speaker 2: Your sleep, you know, Doctor Angela Arnold joining me psychiatrist,

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Speaker 2: renown psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction at angela Arnold MD

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Speaker 2: dot com. Doctor Angie. Maybe it's just my line of business.

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Speaker 2: But when I've ever I hear died in your sleep,

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Speaker 1: But I guess people really do die in their.

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Speaker 6: Sleep, Well, they do, Nancy, And it's usually older people

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Speaker 1: I disagree with you too, all three of you, doctors.

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Speaker 2: I and my vast knowledge of medicine disagree with all

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Speaker 1: Because my dad had.

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Speaker 2: His first coronary thrombosis at age thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty young. And this guy is thirty nine.

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Speaker 6: Well, it is nancy, but that's still unusual. It's not

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Speaker 6: it's not that that's not the norm. That's all I

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let me get back on track. This

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Speaker 2: guy is actually celebrating.

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Speaker 1: You know. I want to let Jen Smith tell you.

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Speaker 2: Jen Smith is joining US chief investigative reporter for Dailymail

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Speaker 2: dot com on this from the very beginning the unus

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Speaker 2: you will death of Eric Rich's just thirty nine years old,

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Speaker 2: father of three little boys. Jen, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. Explain to me how this whole thing went

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Speaker 2: down because they were having a celebration that evening. From

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Speaker 2: what I understand, the wife, Corey rich AND's, flips houses.

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Speaker 2: She'll buy She's got a business partner. They buy houses.

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Speaker 2: They improve them and then they flip them like on

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Speaker 2: AHGTV the flip your house.

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Speaker 1: That's what she does.

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Speaker 2: And that evening they were having some kind of a

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Speaker 1: You tell me, Jen, Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 7: Exactly right now, toy. But the actually our understanding all

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Speaker 7: of it is that they worked pretty closely together a

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Speaker 7: career and her husband, Eric, like you say, exactly the

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Speaker 7: type of business that you just described. They flipped houses.

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Speaker 7: So when Eric came home that evening and his wife

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Speaker 7: is at the house with the kids, they're celebrating because

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Speaker 7: he has just closed a deal on a sale of

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Speaker 7: a home, so bringing more money into the family. And listen,

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Speaker 7: this is a picture perfect family. They lived in a

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Speaker 7: really nice area not too far.

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Speaker 8: Outside of Park City in Utah. The town is called Kamas.

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Speaker 8: themselves lived in a one point one million dollar home,

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Speaker 8: and as you rightly pointed out, Eric had just closed

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Speaker 1: Now let me understand they're Mormons, correct, they are?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So Eric Richards actually comes from a pretty prominent

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Speaker 8: This is the area of Utah that we're talking about,

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Speaker 7: Relatives and very well known.

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Speaker 8: In the community. He and Turi had been married for

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Speaker 8: nine years and they had three beautiful boys together when

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Speaker 1: That's my question. I have several friends that are devout Mormons.

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Speaker 2: They don't even drink chocolate milk gin because chocolate is

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Speaker 2: a stimulant.

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Speaker 1: So these two are having moscow mules.

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Speaker 7: So what we know know is that after he returns

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Speaker 7: home from closing this deal, as a celebration curry, his

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Speaker 7: wife makes him a Moscow mules, the vodka ba his coltail,

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Speaker 7: the night. Like you say, she goes.

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Speaker 2: Off to get with the son who is having a nightmare,

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Speaker 2: sleeps in the room with the sun having a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she.

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Speaker 2: Leaves him sitting up in bed having his drink, TV going,

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Speaker 2: everything's fine. So this mom devastated finding her husband cold

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Speaker 2: in the bed and having all sorts of survivor guilt.

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Speaker 1: Why did I leave him? I'm alive, he's dead.

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Speaker 2: That she and her children get together and they actually

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Speaker 2: we write a book called are You with Me? Because

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Speaker 2: it's not like are you with me? Like do you understand?

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Speaker 2: It's literally, are you with me?

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Speaker 1: Dad? Are you still with me?

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Speaker 2: Because her three little boys were having such a horrible

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Speaker 2: time dealing with their father's.

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Speaker 1: Sudden death, she writes the book and she's.

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Speaker 2: On local TV promoting it, and I want you to

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Speaker 2: hear her words, devastated after her husband's death.

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Speaker 1: Take a list an hour. Cut eight.

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Speaker 10: My husband passed away unexpectedly last year, so it's March

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Speaker 10: fourth was a one year anniversary for us, and he

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Speaker 10: was thirty nine. It completely took us all by shock.

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Speaker 10: And we have three little boys, ten, nine, and six,

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Speaker 10: hoping that it can kind of help other kids, you know,

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Speaker 2: And let's hear a little bit more of Corey Rich's

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Speaker 2: on Good Things Utah that's on KTVX, describing what she

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Speaker 10: I'm new to all of this, so kind of doing

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Speaker 10: of found is as I mentioned, and it's kind of

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Speaker 10: making sure connection is the one major one, and making

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Speaker 10: sure that their spirit is always alife in your home,

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about how children cope with the death

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Speaker 1: To doctor Angie Arnold, I know.

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Speaker 2: Every year on my dad's birthday, every night after dinner,

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Speaker 2: because my dad and mom had largely moved in with us,

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Speaker 1: Children were so little.

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Speaker 2: Just as he passed away, and every night after supper,

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Speaker 2: I would make him a cup of decaf. So every year,

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Speaker 2: on his birthday or really throughout the year, I will

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Speaker 2: send my sister a picture, you know, like on a

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Speaker 2: text of a cup of decaf just steaming, because we

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Speaker 2: both know what that means. And I'm just wondering what you,

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Speaker 2: it Screwcy. I mean as an adult when my father

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Speaker 6: And Nancy, it's important for all of us to remember

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Speaker 6: that each child will will remember this differently according to

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Speaker 8: Doctor to Killy, he had five times out amount in

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Speaker 2: Five times the amount of a lethal dose a sentinel.

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Speaker 2: You know I introduced to you doctor Paul Christo earlier.

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Speaker 1: As I said.

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Speaker 2: further analysis reveals that the fentanyl in Eric's blood was

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Speaker 2: So bottom line, he's not getting it from the Walgreens

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Speaker 2: this panel. Let's just go with doctor Angie Arnold. Do

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Speaker 2: you know what's in a Moscow mule?

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Speaker 1: Bobby Chaconne, former special.

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Speaker 1: Bobby, there is no way you don't know what a

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Speaker 1: Well, what's a straight name for fentyl?

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Speaker 1: And so if I chew up a fentyl tablet, I

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Interesting, doctor Paul Christo.

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Speaker 2: According to my crack legal analyst Jackie, there are some

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Speaker 13: Thirty three year old Corey Richins of Chemis is being

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 13: She promoted her book on the Grief on Good Things Utah.

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey, you know what I love.

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Speaker 2: I love what we call in my jurisdiction similar transactions. Typically,

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Speaker 1: Would you agree with that, Jeffrey Wolf.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, one hundred percent. The rule you're talking about is

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Speaker 2: Two Jen joining us from dealingmail dot com. Jensmith, what

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Speaker 2: can you tell us about prior incidents, including one on

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Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, so we know about the Valentine's Day incident

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Speaker 2: right to cross examine witnesses, evidence, documents, tests used against

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Speaker 2: them and if the persons now dead, you cannot cross

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Speaker 2: examine them.

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Speaker 1: It's hearsay.

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Speaker 2: So how can you get this information into evidence to

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Speaker 2: show if you can, that there were prior attempts on

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Speaker 2: Eric's life? The first one, Jenn Smith, is I believe

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Speaker 2: about three years ago in Greece, family vacation, as you described,

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Speaker 2: and they had dinner and drinks together and he got

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Speaker 2: very very ill, and that's when he called his sister.

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Speaker 1: Was that when he called a sister?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we think so, we know that. We're not sure

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Speaker 7: exactly when this vacation was, only that it was several

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Speaker 7: years ago, maybe a few years ago, and he confided

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Speaker 7: in his sister. And this is a sister who he

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Speaker 7: continued to confide in, especially about his Maraitil problems with Curry.

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Speaker 7: So that was the first instant.

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Speaker 2: So I believe it was about three years ago. That

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Speaker 2: was in Greece. Fast forward, he didn't die. Fast forward

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Speaker 2: to this past March.

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Speaker 1: Okay, March a year ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when he died the month before on Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 1: What happened, Jen? What happened? Jen Smith?

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Speaker 7: We know that they sat down to have dinner together

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Speaker 7: in their home and for whatever reason, even though he

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Speaker 7: has this previous suspicion that his wife has tried to

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Speaker 7: poison him at least once before he sits down with her.

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Speaker 7: He has a meal with her, and again he becomes

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Speaker 7: incredibly ill. He doesn't die, and we don't really know

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Speaker 7: even if he went to the hospital. We're just going

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Speaker 7: off of what we've seen in the start for it,

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Speaker 7: and it's been released so far.

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Speaker 8: He became very very ill after that Valentine's stay.

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Speaker 2: And it was so bad he used an EpiPen and

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Speaker 2: vantage reill and still went unconscious.

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Speaker 1: Guess what, he didn't die again.

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Speaker 11: Detective Eric Maynard and Deputy Jamie Woody were questioned about

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Speaker 11: what happened in the initial investigation of Cory Richins. They

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Speaker 11: described detaining Riches before executing search warrants for her home

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Speaker 11: in person, Her defense lawyers arguing they took her phone

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Speaker 11: without a warrant, and accused them of not informing her

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Speaker 11: of her rights. We all know the Miranda rights. You

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Speaker 11: have the right to remain silent, you have a right

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Speaker 11: to a lawyer, and so forth. Maynard and Woody insist

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Speaker 11: Cory Richins was not under arrest at that time and

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Speaker 11: she voluntarily hinted over her phone. They do, however, state

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Speaker 11: that they never explicitly informed her of her rights or

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Speaker 11: asked if she wanted her a lawyer present. If I

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Speaker 11: were prosecuting this case, I would say because she wasn't

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Speaker 11: under arrest at that time, that said what happened?

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie Arnold.

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Speaker 2: If I had two brushes with death while David is

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Speaker 2: hovering over me, I would leave. But I've got a

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Speaker 2: feeling this guy, Eric Richards did not want to believe

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Speaker 2: his wife would try to kill him, even though he

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Speaker 2: verbalized that.

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Speaker 1: I think she's trying to poison me. I think he

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Speaker 1: didn't want to truly accept it and leave the boys.

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Speaker 6: I completely agree with you and NaN's And if you

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Speaker 6: thought that someone was actually trying to kill you, and

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Speaker 6: this is the person that has been called the love

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Speaker 6: of your life, then what could she possibly do to

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Speaker 6: your children if you're not there? So you can't abandon

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Speaker 6: your children for your own sake. No, people don't do that.

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Speaker 6: So he was just taking his chances. I guess, scared,

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Speaker 6: probably in some disbelief that she would actually want to

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Speaker 6: kill him. Right, So you might think it, but you're

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Speaker 6: still going to be in disbelief that this woman who

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Speaker 6: you're sleeping with, and who you're going on trips with

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Speaker 6: and you're going to the kid's baseball games with, is

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Speaker 6: actually trying to kill you and who you're practicing your

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Speaker 6: Mormon religion with. How I we call that an incongruent thought?

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Speaker 6: How incongruent could that be to this man? Okay, maybe

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Speaker 6: she's trying to kill me, but really is she?

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Speaker 2: Is she?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think he just really he may have said that,

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Speaker 2: but he couldn't truly take it in. You know another thing,

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Speaker 2: I love Bobby Chacone as I know you do too

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Speaker 2: for more special agent with the FBI. I love cell

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Speaker 2: phone data. I love it so much. I want you

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Speaker 2: to take a listen to our cut seventeen our friend

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Speaker 2: Ariel Harrison.

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Speaker 3: Evidence gathered in the death investigation revealed Corey claims she

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Speaker 3: was away from her phone that night and it was

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Speaker 3: left on a charger by her bed.

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Speaker 1: Teams, However, gathered evidence the phone.

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Speaker 3: Was in use during that time and sent messages had

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Speaker 3: been deleted. Additional evidence showed Corey was in contact with

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Speaker 3: a drug dealer in Ogden leading up to Eric's death.

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Speaker 3: The legal document state she received both hydrocodone pills and

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Speaker 3: sentinel from the dealer claiming the drugs were intended for

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Speaker 3: a client experiencing back pain. At one point, please say

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Speaker 3: she requested for quote the Michael Jackson stuff, asking specifically

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Speaker 3: for fentanyl. Information from the autopsy report determined Eric died

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Speaker 3: from an overdose of fentanyl five times the lethal dosage.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's like drinking from the fire hydrant. That is

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Speaker 2: so much, way too fast. I can't drink it in.

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Speaker 2: Let's just start with Bobby Chacne the phone evidence, because

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Speaker 2: she says, I wasn't on.

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Speaker 1: The phone all night.

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Speaker 2: I plugged it in in our room and then I

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Speaker 2: went down the hall to sleep with one of my

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Speaker 2: boys who.

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Speaker 1: Was having nightmares. I go back at.

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Speaker 2: Three am ish and I find him cult to the touch.

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Speaker 2: Did I immediately perform CPR? But the phone says and

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Speaker 2: helped me out? Jasmith, I believe the phones showed that

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Speaker 2: there have been a lot of texting back and forth

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Speaker 2: during the time where she says the phone was plugged in,

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Speaker 2: not in use while she was in her son's room

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Speaker 2: and all those texts were deleted. So what is she

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Speaker 2: doing texting back and forth our husband is dying and

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Speaker 2: then lying about it. I mean, Ja Smith, are those

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Speaker 2: that are those facts correct?

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Speaker 7: Those facts are absolutely correct. Now, she obviously thought that

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Speaker 7: she was outsmarting the authority when she told them that

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Speaker 7: she left her phone plugged in. Maybe she thought that

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Speaker 7: it was the location inside the husband show. But yees,

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Speaker 7: she there is a record, there's a digital record.

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Speaker 9: We know that, we've.

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Speaker 7: Spoken about it many times. Then you can't get rid

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Speaker 7: of it, this digital footprint.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Bobby Cohen just saw digital evidence basically convict Alex

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Speaker 2: Murdogg and the double murder of his wife and son,

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Speaker 2: Maggie and Maggie and Paul. So what about this? Have

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Speaker 2: my phone plugged in the whole night, you know, until

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Speaker 2: I find him killed?

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Speaker 1: Overdead?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? I mean, when you have a case like this

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Speaker 9: with she's the only other person that could have, you know,

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Speaker 9: either rendered aid or caused harm. There's no fourth entry,

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Speaker 9: there's no pot trauma. You immediately start to get her

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Speaker 9: story and for her initial statement. The minute those phone

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Speaker 9: records come back and you realize she lied to you,

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Speaker 9: she has to become suspect number one because now, why

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Speaker 9: would a wife lie about using her phone in the

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Speaker 9: immediate aftermath of finding her husband dead or during the

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Speaker 9: period where she found him dead or shortly before that.

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Speaker 9: So the minute you find out she lied to you

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Speaker 9: about the phone, you have to start taking a much

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Speaker 9: harder look at her, who her associates, look at her

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Speaker 9: phone records harder, Who is she being calling? Who should

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Speaker 9: being in contact with? So she made her by lying,

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Speaker 9: she made herself suspect number one. If she would have

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Speaker 9: simply come up with a different excuse on why she

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Speaker 9: was texting, maybe she had the phone in bed with

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Speaker 9: her with the kid and she was. But the minute

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Speaker 9: she lied about that, she has to become suspect one, right.

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Speaker 1: Then the gig is up.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Wolfe, high profile lawyer joining us out of Colorado

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Speaker 2: at Wolflawcolorado dot com. I want you to take a

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Speaker 2: listen to another alarming circumstance and our cut three our

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Speaker 2: friends from crime online.

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Speaker 15: Valentine's Day twenty twenty two. Eric Richins becomes violently ill

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Speaker 15: after suffering an allergic reaction after having dinner with his

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Speaker 15: wife of nine years, Corey. He breaks out in hives,

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Speaker 15: can't Breathe passes out after using his son's EpiPen and

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Speaker 15: taking Benadreel. When Eric wakes up he calls his business partner,

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Speaker 15: Cody Wright, to let him know what has just happened. Then,

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Speaker 15: without Corey knowing, Eric changes the beneficiary of his will

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Speaker 15: and his power of attorney, replacing his wife Corey with

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Speaker 15: his sister. Legal paperwork suggests that Eric believes Corey might

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Speaker 15: kill him for the money, and he wants his children

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Speaker 15: to be financially secure.

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Defense lawyers also questioning to take jeff A Driscoll about

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Speaker 2: whether he interviewed without her lawyer present, which if she

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Speaker 2: had asked for a lawyer, would violate your six Amendment

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Speaker 2: right to a lawyer. The detective described Corey Richards's quote cheery,

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Speaker 2: i e. Cheerful and open to speaking with law enforcement,

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Speaker 2: noting after the three hour meeting, she sent a follow

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Speaker 2: up email with additional information related.

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Speaker 11: To the investigation. What happened to Eric Richards.

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Speaker 2: She goes into his life insurance policy where his partner

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Speaker 2: Cody is his beneficiary, his business partner, and she changes

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Speaker 2: it to make her exclusively the life insurance policy beneficiary.

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Speaker 2: And he's so worried after this Valentine's Day incident where

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Speaker 2: he gets horribly ill, he cracks a joke, Hey, she

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Speaker 2: might kill me for the money, and he changes his will.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Jeffrey willf That is no joke.

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Speaker 14: No, it certainly is no joke. And what you saw

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Speaker 14: here in this case is you see her attempt to

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Speaker 14: take his business life insurance policy. I have one with

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Speaker 14: my law partner. If something happens to one of us,

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Speaker 14: we want to make sure the business is secure. And

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Speaker 14: so she goes into that policy and attempts to change

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Speaker 14: it so that she gets the money if he dies,

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Speaker 14: and then he has this magic allergic reaction. My wife

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Speaker 14: has a severe allergy that could cause problems for her

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Speaker 14: one of my employees, does you can bet your bottom

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Speaker 14: dollar if I'm making them food or if I'm buying

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Speaker 14: a meal for them, I'm making sure that those ingredients

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Speaker 14: are not present, because those are people I care about

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Speaker 14: who I have a knowledge would be in trouble.

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Speaker 1: What is your wife allergic to you?

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Speaker 14: By the way, she's allergic to raw tomatoes. It's a

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Speaker 14: very unique allergy that a lot of restaurants have trouble with.

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Speaker 14: But you can bet your bottom dollar there's no raw

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Speaker 14: tomatoes than anything I buy her or serve her, because

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Speaker 14: I know what would happen, okay, and so the fact

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Speaker 14: that she did that is incredibly concerning. And she did

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Speaker 14: it after attempting to make that change. The company caught it,

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Speaker 14: by the way, and it was changed back. And then

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Speaker 14: when he wakes up from that, he calls his business

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Speaker 14: partner to tell him his suspicions. Joking or not, that

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Speaker 14: could be a present sense impression, which is a reason

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Speaker 14: to get hearsay in at the trial. Since you were

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Speaker 14: mentioning hearsay before, wasn't aware I had an evidence test today,

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Speaker 14: but I'm going to pass it.

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Speaker 2: I was ready to pounce on you with a hearsay loophole.

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Speaker 1: That go ahead.

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Speaker 14: I'm ready for it. I'm ready for it. My evidence

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Speaker 14: practicum professor from law school would be so proud and

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Speaker 14: so present sense impression allows those statements of somebody who

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Speaker 14: is not available to be cross examined to come in.

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Speaker 14: But it's going to require a recency to the event

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Speaker 14: and something to say that they were still under the

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Speaker 14: impression of that event in order to be able to

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Speaker 14: get that statement in. So how quickly he called him

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Speaker 14: after he woke up needing to use an EpiPen and

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Speaker 14: benadryl is going to matter a great deal.

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Speaker 2: How would you compare presences impression to excited utterance exception?

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Speaker 14: So, excited utterance is something that happens right then you're

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Speaker 14: seeing something and you're saying exactly what you're seeing in

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Speaker 14: that moment.

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Speaker 9: It happens a lot on nine to one one calls

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Speaker 9: right right.

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Speaker 1: When you wake up from an overdose of fennel. That

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Speaker 1: kind of excited utterance.

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Speaker 14: It could be an excited utterance, but it has you

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Speaker 14: have to be excited, right, So it's not just that

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Speaker 14: you're saying something that's happening and relaying it as it's happening.

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Speaker 14: You have to be in an excited state as well.

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Speaker 14: That emotional state. If he called and he's making a

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Speaker 14: joke about it, that could still be a present sense

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Speaker 14: impression to say that this is something that I have

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Speaker 14: recently seen.

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Speaker 1: You think there's any problem getting these statements in?

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Speaker 14: Honestly, I think that it's going to be a tough

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Speaker 14: road to hoe to get these, you know, statements of

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Speaker 14: somebody who's not able.

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Speaker 1: I totally disagree.

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Speaker 2: That's why we have the exceptions to the hearsay role

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Speaker 2: for situations just like this.

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Speaker 14: It is exactly why we have the the hearsay exceptions. However,

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Speaker 14: in a court and you're doing a criminal trial, the

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Speaker 14: only person who has a right to affair trial is

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Speaker 14: the criminal defendant, and some judges will air on the

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Speaker 14: side of caution.

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Speaker 1: Sure, okay, you know what, let me throw something else

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Speaker 1: at you. Let me throw something else at you.

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Speaker 2: Now we already know that you know what's your cut

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Speaker 2: five ksl.

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Speaker 12: Core Papers say Corey first bought painkillers from a drug

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Speaker 12: dealer weeks later, asking for something stronger. She called it

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Speaker 12: some of the Michael Jackson stuff. That was just before

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Speaker 12: Valentine's Day last year. Records say on Valentine's Day, Eric

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Speaker 12: became very ill and believed he had been poisoned, and

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Speaker 12: told a friend he thought his wife was trying to

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Speaker 12: poison him. The dealer told police that two weeks later,

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Speaker 12: Corey purchased morphetinyl. Six days later, on March fourth, twenty

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Speaker 12: twenty two, Eric was found dead of a fentanyl overdose.

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Speaker 2: Let me get this straight, Jen Smith, chief investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: dailymail dot Com, on the story from the very beginning.

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Speaker 2: So he has a horrible episode in Greece where he

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Speaker 2: calls his sister and says, I.

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Speaker 1: Swear I think she's trying to kill me. Ha ha ha.

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Speaker 2: Then fast forward to February twenty twenty two, Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 2: another horrible episode. After eating and drinking, there is your

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Speaker 2: similar transaction. Jeff Wolf always after ingesting food or drink

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Speaker 2: beverage with his wife, always the same mo modus operandi,

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Speaker 2: method of operation. She puts whatever it is. If whatever

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Speaker 2: he is ingesting, so is Valentine's. They have a dinner

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Speaker 2: and drinks. Bam, he's out again.

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Speaker 1: This time he lives.

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Speaker 2: The second time, changes his insurance back, changes his will,

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Speaker 2: And then we find out that prior to the February

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Speaker 2: incident Valentine's and the March incident, she goes back to

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Speaker 2: the drug dealer and she says, hey, I need some more.

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Speaker 2: She buys nine hundred dollars worth a sentinel. In March,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't die. She goes back to the same deal

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Speaker 2: or says, hey give me some more.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: She buys nine hundred dollars worth more. This time he dies.

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Speaker 1: You know, have you ever seen those pictures?

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Speaker 2: If you want to be an artist, you can just

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Speaker 2: paint between the lines and suddenly have this beautiful picture.

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Speaker 14: Jeff Wolf's Yeah, I have seen it. And that's what

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Speaker 14: we're looking at here, is that the pieces of this

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Speaker 14: just keep coming into focus. And throw on top of

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Speaker 14: the fact that these are similar transactions that could go

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Speaker 14: to a modus operande or a pattern of behavior, but

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Speaker 14: throw into that that a lot of states, my state

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Speaker 14: Colorado being one of them, have domestic violence allowances for

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Speaker 14: similar transaction. Four be evidence as well to show the

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Speaker 14: certain types of behaviors that can occur in a domestic

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Speaker 14: violence relationship as well. And you're going to start seeing

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Speaker 14: all of this stuff like an avalanche coming in against

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Speaker 14: the defense, and it is going to be very, very

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Speaker 14: tough to beat it all back with, no matter how big.

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Speaker 9: You that is.

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Speaker 2: Bobby Dracone and Jenna Smith, I want you to hear

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Speaker 2: our cut seven are friends at ABC.

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Speaker 16: A Utah woman who wrote a children's book about coping

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Speaker 16: with grief after the death of her husband last year

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Speaker 16: has now been charged with his murder. Corey Richins was

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Speaker 16: arrested yesterday accused of poisoning her husband Eric with fentanyl.

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Speaker 16: She also faced drug charges. Just last month, Richards appeared

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Speaker 16: on local TV to promote her book.

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Speaker 1: About a boy who lost his dad.

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Speaker 16: At the time, she said her husband's unexpected death left

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Speaker 16: her and their three boys reeling.

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Speaker 2: Bobby Chacon not only the constantly she murdered him, she

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Speaker 2: then writes a book and tries to sell it on

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Speaker 2: TV and on Amazon.

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Speaker 9: Really, yeah, I'm not sure that. I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 9: the investigators are watching that. I'm not sure it's acted

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Speaker 9: that much on the They probably already had her in

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Speaker 9: their sight, you know, her journey to do this kind

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Speaker 9: of brings the next level evil to her. But I'm

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Speaker 9: sure that you know, once they saw the toxicology report,

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Speaker 9: once they got those phone records back, which was all

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Speaker 9: within six, eight ten weeks of the event of the murder,

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Speaker 9: they had her in their sights and it was a

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Speaker 9: matter of finding that drug dealer, getting a statement from them,

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Speaker 9: and just trying everything together with the prosecutor and putting

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Speaker 9: it all together. That her writing the book, I mean,

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Speaker 9: I just I think that impacts her reputation in the

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Speaker 9: community more than this actual case, because everything was put together.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's going to hurt her a whole lot more

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Speaker 2: than murdering her husband.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angey Arnold, will you help me out please, I mean,

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Speaker 1: to murder.

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Speaker 2: Your husband and then write a book about how much.

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Speaker 2: Your children are suffering, what they're going through. We had

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Speaker 2: one child that I was already having nightmares according to her.

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Speaker 1: But doing that not just.

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Speaker 2: To your husband, but to your children and then trying

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Speaker 2: to profit off of it with a book.

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Speaker 6: Nancy, I think it shows that she has a complete

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Speaker 6: lack of attachment to her husband. Lots of people do

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Speaker 6: not develop attachment. There's something called attachment theory. Okay, So

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Speaker 6: I believe that she lacks attachment to the people in

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Speaker 6: her life, and that is what It doesn't mean you're insane, no,

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Speaker 6: but she doesn't have any attachment. How do you kill

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Speaker 6: your husband? So to me, that's the worst thing that

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Speaker 6: she's done. So anything after that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, bombshell. If the judge grants these emotions, the state's

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Speaker 2: case against Moscow muleman Corey Richins is destroyed. What happened

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Speaker 2: to husband Eric Richards? We wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 11: Goodbye for then,