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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Mussalo murders unsolved. A

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Speaker 1: beautiful couple murdered in their own home, Ela law enforcement

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Speaker 1: begging for tips. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: A happy and healthy couple look forward to retirement in

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Speaker 2: their beautiful neur Reno home, but their quiet retirement is

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Speaker 2: quickly shattered by violence.

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Speaker 1: In their own home. This beautiful couple murdered. How did

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Speaker 1: the discovery of this crime begin? Listen?

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Speaker 3: Ahead of their April plans to visit family in New York,

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Speaker 3: Joanne Coles wants to invite her parents to dinner. Joanne

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Speaker 3: calls the Mussalis's landline, but the phone rings and rings

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Speaker 3: with no answer. Joanne assumes her parents' power maybe out,

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Speaker 3: a common occurrence in snowy months. Joanne calls the Montrose

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Speaker 3: Secure to check on them. The guard reports back that

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Speaker 3: no one answered his knocking. While it's odd for Joan

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Speaker 3: may be laid up in bed with a cold.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, the woman that made that faithful

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Speaker 1: phone call Joanne Coles, Joanne, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Could you describe that phone call and what went through

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Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting that I lived in so much denial

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Speaker 4: they were sick, had the flu, something else was going on.

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Speaker 4: So I called them the first time and they went

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Speaker 4: please look through the garage window and tell me whether

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Speaker 4: or not their car was in the garage. So I

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Speaker 4: answering the door and all the lights were off, so

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Speaker 4: my husband and I drove out to to check on them.

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Speaker 1: Joanne, when you called and no one answered, you assumed

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Speaker 1: that they were in bed with a cold. Is that correct, yes?

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Speaker 1: Or the flu?

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Speaker 4: Or that they were sick. Yes?

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Speaker 1: And what led you to get in the car and

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Speaker 1: drive to check on your parents? What inner voice told you?

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Speaker 1: You could not just rely on them not picking the

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Speaker 4: My parents moved to Reno to be near me and

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Speaker 4: for me to help them, so I took that responsibility

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Speaker 4: very seriously. And when the answering machine didn't pick up,

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Speaker 4: and they didn't respond to knocks on the door. It

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Speaker 4: was snowing that night, and I knew that my father

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Speaker 4: did not like to drive in the snow anymore, and

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Speaker 4: go out and find out what happened.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 5: Joanne and her husband decide to check on her parents themselves.

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Speaker 5: They make the drive to Montreux as a snowstorm blows in.

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Speaker 5: Joanne unlocks the front door and calls for her parents.

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Speaker 5: When there's no answer, Joanne steps into the home but freezes.

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Speaker 5: There's mud tracked through the entryway and dining room. Joan

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Speaker 5: walks toward the primary bedroom and, to his horror, finds

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Speaker 5: Joan and Albert shot to death in their bed.

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Speaker 1: At this hour, law enforcement begging for tips. If you

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Speaker 1: know or think you know anything about the murders of

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Speaker 1: this beautiful couple, please I'll seven seven five three two

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Speaker 1: enjoy asking you to relive that moment for people that

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Speaker 1: are not familiar with your parents' story. Could you describe

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Speaker 1: what happened when you finally get to their home. What happened.

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Speaker 1: I'd also like to hear what was going through your

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Speaker 4: We had left our two sons at home alone. They

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Speaker 4: were fourteen and ten at the time, and as we

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Speaker 4: I was thinking, oh, you know, getting home in time

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Speaker 4: That was just not her. She was a fastidious house

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what went through your mind when you

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Speaker 1: saw that mud on the floor. Like Joanne, my mom

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Speaker 1: lives with us, and I remember just recently I walked

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Speaker 1: there without her and that never ever, ever happens, and

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Speaker 1: I knew immediately something was wrong, and sure enough, something

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Speaker 1: the emergency room. There's that when you know someone so

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Speaker 1: well and you know their behavior. When you saw that

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I told my husband that I couldn't go

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Speaker 4: when he came out, he said they were dead. And

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Speaker 4: I asked him if he was sure, and he said yes,

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Speaker 4: And then we went into the kitchen to try and

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Speaker 4: call nine one one. Their phone line had been cut,

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Speaker 4: so their phone did not work, and at that time,

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Speaker 4: had ended up having to make multiple calls to nine

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Speaker 1: Joining Me now is another special guest. In addition to

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Speaker 1: Albert and Jones' daughter, Joanne, Tom Green is joining US

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Speaker 1: US former chief Deputy with the Washoe County Sheriff's Office,

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Speaker 1: the detective on this case, now private investigator and owner

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Speaker 1: of Nevada Investigative Services, Tom, thank you for being with us,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for your continued diligence and dedication to

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Speaker 1: solving this case. You know, Tom, two things just off

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Speaker 1: the top of my head. Number one, how small details

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Speaker 1: may mean nothing to some people, but to other people

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Speaker 1: they mean everything. I recall investigating the case of a

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Speaker 1: beautiful young teacher that was murdered, Tara Grinstead, And when

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Speaker 1: her mother and I went into Tara's home, she was,

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Speaker 1: as Joanne is describing her parents, fastidious. Her home looked

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Speaker 1: like a magazine ad for home decor. But when we

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been in people's cars where you get

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Speaker 1: it still smells brand new, and it looks brand new.

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Speaker 1: She was like that. And Tara's car on the sides

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Speaker 1: I saw that, I knew that she was gone, isn't

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Speaker 1: that odd? Probative. Probative is a better word that When

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Speaker 1: joe Ann walked in, and I'm hung up on this fact,

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Speaker 1: she knew immediately when she saw mud on the floor,

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Speaker 1: she saw like my heart stopped. I knew what about that?

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Speaker 1: Tom Green?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think to the layperson that's not involved in

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Speaker 6: the case, they might think that's unusual or weird that

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Speaker 6: that would catch her eye. But being in their home,

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Speaker 6: I can see exactly why that did catch her eye.

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Speaker 6: And you know, the patterns of your parents, somebody that

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Speaker 6: you know very very well are super important in cases

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Speaker 6: like this because it helps us develop timelines. It helps

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Speaker 6: us develop areas to look that we might not have

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Speaker 6: otherwise looked at. You know, we had to we had

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Speaker 6: to rule out that that that, you know, other muddy

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Speaker 6: footprints within the house weren't the police that came in

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Speaker 6: and did searching. So, you know, we photographed every officer

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Speaker 6: that went in that house. We photographed all their all

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Speaker 6: their shoe prints to make sure the other footprints that

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Speaker 6: we found in there were not.

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Speaker 1: Artifacts of the police going on. Oh my goodness, Tom Green,

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Speaker 1: as a whole other can of worms. A probative in

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Speaker 1: other words, what if anything, does it prove a probative

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Speaker 1: every other person that walked into that home, including jo

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Speaker 1: Anne and her husband. Everybody's got to be ruled out

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Speaker 1: on those on that mud and any footprints that were

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Speaker 1: found crime stores. With Nancy Grace curious Tom Grain, Joanne

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Speaker 1: tells us that the first of all, the sale reception

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Speaker 1: was horrible in that area, but that the phone line,

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Speaker 1: the landline, had been cut.

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Speaker 6: We had one other case that a phone line was

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Speaker 6: cut here in Washoe County and all the murders that

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Speaker 6: I looked at from nineteen sixty until the current time,

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Speaker 6: and so it is a super unusual tactic for a

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Speaker 6: a cut phone line could signal an alarm company that

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Speaker 6: there's a problem at a house, and the alarms up

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Speaker 6: there are are radio based, so there's a radio receiver

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Speaker 1: So it was a risk to cut those phone lines.

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Speaker 6: And that's one of the reasons that we feel that

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Speaker 6: the Maslos were targeted This wasn't some random spree killer

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Speaker 1: They were killed for a purpose. Curiosity. When are you

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Speaker 1: it should have alerted the alarm service. No, what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't have it set so, but my point

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Speaker 6: It could set off a local alarm, It could set

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Speaker 6: off a siren on the house, right, You just don't know.

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Speaker 6: Cutting a phone line is a risky business. But Tom Green,

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Speaker 6: I agree with you. Guys. Tom is a former chief.

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Speaker 1: Deputy in the Wash County Sheriff's Office who worked this

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Speaker 1: case as a detective. You're really giving criminals a lot

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Speaker 1: of credit for them to know. Hey, if I cut

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Speaker 1: the phone line, I may set off an alarm. But

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Speaker 1: that said, you're completely right. So let me understand, Joanne.

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Speaker 1: Did they have an alarm that wasn't set or did

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Speaker 1: they not have a home alarm.

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Speaker 4: They had a home alarm, but it was not set.

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Speaker 4: They tended to only set it when they left town,

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Speaker 4: not when they were home. When I went into the house,

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Speaker 4: the alarm was not set. I did not have to turn.

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Speaker 1: It off, Joanne. Was it comeon knowledge that your parents

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Speaker 1: only turned on their alarm when they left or out

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Speaker 4: No, no one would have known that. Only their children

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Speaker 4: would have known that, and probably only my sister and

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Speaker 4: I would be aware of that.

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Speaker 1: Bank to Tom Green joining us, who investigated the case

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Speaker 1: as a detective. Tom, when you say the lines to

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Speaker 1: the alarm were cut from outside from inside? What where

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Speaker 1: were the alarms cut? Where was the line cut?

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Speaker 6: The lines come from underground, and there's a like a

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Speaker 1: So you're telling me the phone line was cut from outside, yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. We just heard no

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Speaker 8: There wasn't a safe with thousands of dollars taken, not

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Speaker 8: And what you did just say. They never had help

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Speaker 1: I'm still intrigued by the fact that the killer obviously

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Speaker 1: that there is a procedure, very delicate procedure by which

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious to Joe Anne Coles who

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Speaker 4: I've spoken to the head pathologist at the lab at

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Speaker 1: That's Karen with a sea if you search for her

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Speaker 10: It's really heartbreaking because your parents are murdered, you have

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Speaker 1: For what happened to Albert and Joan Maslow. Their daughter

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Speaker 6: Listen, the Mussolos were not involved in any nefarious activities.

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Speaker 1: Witness Protection program, the mafia. That was from our friends

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Speaker 1: over a KRNV news for Joanne. Rumors flying your parents

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Speaker 4: I think that in a situation like this, their neighbors

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Speaker 3: After thirty three years with pan Am, the Mussalos are

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Speaker 3: The couple is very active. They take daily walks and

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Speaker 5: As they get older, Joan and Albert eventually decide to

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Speaker 5: The couple settles on the exclusive gated Montroux neighborhood in

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Speaker 1: Joanne, how did your parents meet?

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Speaker 4: They both worked at the Gas and Electric Company in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 1: Tell me about your family. How many siblings?

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Speaker 1: And Tom Green, I'm sure that you, as a detective,

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Speaker 1: Alexa to us to that crime online dot Com invest

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Speaker 1: And you know, I.

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Speaker 6: Saw them dead in their beds, I saw them at

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Speaker 6: So I hope, I hope that someone here's this information

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Speaker 1: Let's piece it together, Tom Green. There is no sign

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Speaker 4: other mud. But to be honest, when I saw the

439
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Speaker 4: first bit I stopped. I froze. I couldn't go any further.

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Speaker 1: Tom, what about it, Tom Green? Did the muddy footprints

441
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: go to any other area of the home.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So we obviously saw the same mud that Joanne saw,

443
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 6: and we did what's called jel lifts, and those jeel

444
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 6: lifts were sent to the FBI laboratory, who's really the

445
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 6: best at doing footprint evidence, and they were inconclusive because

446
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 6: it was basically ridge detail from the shoe print. There

447
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 6: was mud on the carpeted stairs that went upstairs, but

448
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 6: again we were not able to develop any kind of

449
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 6: a footprint pattern, size, style, anything like that.

450
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Speaker 1: This is driving me crazy. We have DNA, we have

451
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: muddy footprints, we have ballistics. Nothing is matching up in

452
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: the DNA database. Nothing is matching up in the ballistics database.

453
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. And a lot of the fact

454
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: that the phone was cut it almost is striking me

455
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: as being a professional hit and I don't understand that. Also,

456
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: we know that this was a private neighborhood Listen.

457
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Speaker 7: Montrose hoapes cover a large security team for the neighborhood.

458
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 7: A security guard ANNs Montro's front gatehouse twenty four seven

459
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Speaker 7: three sixty five and as service entrances man twelve hours

460
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Speaker 7: a day, all visitors must provide identification to the security

461
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 7: team and be approved by the homeowner for access to Montreal.

462
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 7: Contract workers are even required to obtain entrance passes for

463
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Speaker 7: each day they expect to be in and out of

464
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Speaker 7: the neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: One thing that struck me about that, Alexis Tereschak, is

466
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Speaker 1: that the service entrance is only manned twelve hours a day.

467
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Speaker 1: Is that right? That is right?

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Speaker 8: That because during the daytime, because they wouldn't expect to

469
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Speaker 8: have service soaks come in in the middle.

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Speaker 4: Of the night.

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Speaker 8: Usually that wouldn't be a thing that you would when

472
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Speaker 8: you would have your dishwasher fixed or anything like that.

473
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Speaker 4: But they did.

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Speaker 8: Track down that the path that they believe the person took,

475
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Speaker 8: so they live in a wooded area behind them, and

476
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Speaker 8: that the person went through like out their backyard and

477
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Speaker 8: through an area and out into the woods. So that

478
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Speaker 8: is where they feared they went in and out was

479
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Speaker 8: through the wooded area behind their home.

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Speaker 1: And how did you deduce that, Tom green Well, The

481
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Speaker 1: way we deduce that is that it had rained significantly

482
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Speaker 1: in the days preceding the murder.

483
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Speaker 6: The night that Joanne drove to the home, it had

484
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Speaker 6: started snowing. During the time that the murder occurred, it

485
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 6: had not been snowing, it had been muddy and wet,

486
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 6: and so the area that the perpetrator had a step

487
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Speaker 6: to to cut the phone line was just a muddy

488
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 6: dirt area. We found muddy footprints on the pavers. Once

489
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 6: the snow melted, those same muddy footprints were tracked by.

490
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Speaker 1: A man tracker.

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Speaker 6: We actually had a man tracker come out and track

492
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Speaker 6: those muddy footprints up and over the back fence that

493
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Speaker 6: led to.

494
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Speaker 1: A walking path and a parking area off the Mount

495
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Speaker 1: Rose Highway.

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Speaker 6: So we're pretty convinced that that's the route the person

497
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Speaker 6: would have taken. It's also the route of it's the

498
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 6: safest route for a perpetrator. You know, this is a

499
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Speaker 6: higher risk event for them going into a gated community

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Speaker 6: full of homes with alarms, security patrol that drives around,

501
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 6: but that area was the safest, least risky.

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Speaker 1: Area to enter from us from the back. When you

503
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: try to determine what happened, you must look at establishing

504
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: a timeline. You can't always deduce the time of the

505
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: murder based on the condition of the body, such as

506
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: body temperature. Very often you must look at extrinsic evidence,

507
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: and they did just that. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Investigators find March twenty seven's newspaper inside the home, and

509
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: a furniture salesman says he met with the Mussalas around noon.

510
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: Their computer shows Internet activity until late into the evening

511
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: on the twenty seventh. Detectives theorized that the couple was

512
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: attacked while they slept in the early morning hours of

513
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Speaker 3: March twenty eighth. Investigators are stumped on how the perpetrator

514
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Speaker 3: gained access to the home. Montrose Security Team reports that

515
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: no one came through either gate around the estimated time

516
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Speaker 3: of the murders.

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Speaker 1: So the killer did not enter through the security gate,

518
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Speaker 1: which corroborates Tom Green's theory as to the access and

519
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: entrance to the home. I'm curious, Tom Green, have you

520
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: ever considered, as we are considering in the Brian Coburger

521
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: case where four beautiful young Idaho students were murdered in

522
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: their beds, the possibility of a thrilled kill Because this

523
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: couple has no background. They don't even have a traffic fine.

524
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, they are loving grandparents who try to

525
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: move closer to be to their children, all right, and

526
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: they're murdered in their beds. Question why it's not. It's

527
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: not a professional hit, all right by the mob. So

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Speaker 1: could it be a thrill kill like that alleged in

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Speaker 1: the Brian Coburger case.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility,

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Speaker 6: and it's one of the things we looked at that

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Speaker 6: look at.

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Speaker 1: You know, you cannot rule out a.

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Speaker 6: Thrill kill, a spree kill, and those are the scariest

535
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 6: ones because they're the hardest to solve, and especially at

536
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 6: that time, we didn't have the ability to dump a

537
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 6: cell tower and figure out everybody this is in the neighborhood.

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00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 6: You know, we didn't have a lot of those investigative techniques.

539
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 6: So if it was somebody who had, you know, taken

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00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 6: a fancy to these to these people and decided, you

541
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 6: know what, I'm gonna kill them for no particular reason,

542
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 6: it's gonna be a tough one to solve. It's going

543
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 6: to be a tough one to solve unless they get

544
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 6: caught for something else. And we get a DNA comparison.

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00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 5: While many try to write off the murders as a

547
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: random attack or robbery. Investigators are convinced them as sallows

548
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 5: we're targeted. Montro is not a neighborhood stumbled on by accident,

549
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 5: and nothing of significance was founding from the couple's home.

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00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 5: Detectives eventually reveal a chilling piece of evidence supporting their theory.

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00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 5: The Masalo's phone lines were cut.

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Speaker 1: Listen to our friends at k Aren't in.

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Speaker 6: The since nineteen sixty, we've only had one other case

554
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 6: where phone lines were cut, and that case bears no

555
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 6: resemblance to this case at all. We think it tells

556
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 6: us some things about the offender that it's quite probably

557
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 6: the offender had prior knowledge of the home, possibly even

558
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 6: knew the victims that this wasn't a random act that

559
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 6: they were targeted.

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Speaker 1: Joanne Coles is joining us. Joe Anne, what is your theory?

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Speaker 4: Given the information that's available and knowing my parents, I

562
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: believe that they were the unintended targets. I've never thought

563
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Speaker 4: of it being a thrill kill, because my thought would

564
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Speaker 4: be if someone did that for thrill, they would do

565
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 4: it to someone else with the same method and means.

566
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Speaker 4: So my feeling has been that it's a professional hit

567
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: and they have the wrong people.

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Speaker 6: Is that possible, Tom Green, Well, I'm assuming it's possible,

569
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Speaker 6: But you know, when we looked at that looked we've

570
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 6: looked at this extensively because of other reporting of threats

571
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 6: being received by another family within that same gated community. However,

572
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 6: it becomes somewhat of a rabbit hole because the homes

573
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 6: are so much different.

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Speaker 1: But it's clearly someone that knows that they have to

575
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: come through the woods to get into the home. They

576
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Speaker 1: know enough to cut the phone lines. It's clearly targeted.

577
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Speaker 1: I think Jones' idea could be on point, But with

578
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Speaker 1: that ballistics evidence, DNA evidence, footprint evidence, is very difficult

579
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Speaker 1: for me to believe that we can't solve this case.

580
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Speaker 1: Joe Anne, how has this affected your life?

581
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Speaker 4: Sometimes you have an event in your life that happens

582
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Speaker 4: and you look at life as before and after. Usually

583
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: it's marriage or having children or grandchildren. For me, it's

584
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: the death of my parents. It gives you a whole

585
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 4: new perspective on life. You treasure relationships more and worry

586
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: less about little things. It's very difficult. It's very difficult

587
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 4: to live with the last eighteen and a half years

588
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 4: in many ways have been just hell. I'm lucky to

589
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: have my faith and that has helped me in many moments,

590
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 4: but it's been tremendously difficult and difficult not only for me,

591
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: but for my entire family, for my husband, for my siblings,

592
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 4: for their families as well. It's been devastating.

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Speaker 1: Tom Green, you study the footprints went off into the

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Speaker 1: woods into a trail.

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Speaker 6: What was on the other end of that trail, Well,

596
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 6: that trail actually crosses the Mount Rose Highway and it's

597
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 6: a hiking trails, common hiking trails called the Gleena Creek Trail.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people use it in biking, walking,

599
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Speaker 1: dog walking.

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Speaker 6: I would also note that we brought in the FBI

601
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 6: pretty early on and asked their Behavioral Sciences unit to

602
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 6: send out a team, and they did, and we met

603
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 6: with that team, and they developed a neighborhood canvas questionnaire

604
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 6: under the theory that somebody in the neighborhood may know something,

605
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 6: and so we canvassed a lot of homes and we

606
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 6: did a DNA dragnet where we DNA swabbed everybody that

607
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 6: we could think of if they sat still long enough,

608
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Speaker 6: and it would tolerate it.

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Speaker 1: We swabbed them. Was another bedroom tampered with? We're not sure.

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Speaker 6: I will tell you this that there was a bed

611
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 6: there was she's such a such a housekeeper that all

612
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 6: of the beds, everything that wasn't used was covered with

613
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 6: a sheet, and in the upstairs bedroom a sheet was

614
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 6: pulled back as if somebody was potentially checking to see

615
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 6: if someone else was in bed. That sheet was submitted

616
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 6: to for evidence and testing was done on it. They

617
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 6: were not able to get any kind of forensic results

618
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 6: from that.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Ason, obviously, this is not a murder suicide. Could

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Speaker 1: you explain how we know that? Number one, the gun's

621
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: not there.

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Speaker 9: There was no gun found at the scene, and so

623
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Speaker 9: if this was a situation where somebody shot the other

624
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 9: individual then shot his or herself, there would still be

625
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Speaker 9: a gun at the scene, and there was not. The

626
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 9: other way to find out is during the actual autopsy.

627
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 9: Both of them supposedly had multiple gunshot wounds, and so

628
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Speaker 9: it would be as possible to commit suicide with multiple

629
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Speaker 9: gunshot wounds, but it's usually going to be a single

630
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Speaker 9: gunshot wound and the wound's going to be contact after

631
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Speaker 9: the autopsies done, the death certificates would have been signed

632
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 9: and the manner of death would have been homicide for both.

633
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Speaker 9: And so if this was a homicide suicide situation, then

634
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Speaker 9: one of the de certificates would.

635
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Speaker 1: Have said suicide. That's not what we had.

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Speaker 9: And those are the main reasons why this is not

637
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 9: consistent with a homicide suicide. It's a double homicide.

638
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Speaker 7: Washok County Sheriff's believe new tips hold the answer to

639
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 7: the question of who killed Joan and Albert Massalo. Sergeant

640
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Speaker 7: Urban West says the key must lie outside of the

641
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 7: seventeen binders of evidence in the case, as too many

642
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 7: good investigators have poured over it to have missed something.

643
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 7: Detectives are asking the public to look back and try

644
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 7: to remember if anyone made odd comments or had a

645
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 7: noticeable shift in behavior after that fateful, frosty March night.

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Speaker 6: We continue to sporadically get pseudo witness tips that may

647
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 6: point to us in the direction, and we immediately follow

648
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 6: up on every lead.

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Speaker 4: It is my hope that I will know what happened

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Speaker 4: before or I leave this earth, and I certainly don't

651
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 4: want my children or my nieces and nephews to face

652
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 4: the killer after I'm gone, and I hope that someone

653
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: will come forward with whatever information they have, no matter

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Speaker 4: how small, no matter how much it may seem insignificant,

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Speaker 4: to help us to solve this.

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Speaker 10: I think it's really important, first of all, to go

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Speaker 10: along with what Joe ansaid, which is help this family

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Speaker 10: to get some answers because they have lived with this

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Speaker 10: for too long, and obviously Tom has as well. Nobody

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Speaker 10: wants to die not understanding what happened to your parents

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Speaker 10: or your grandparents.

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Speaker 1: Someone somewhere knows something. They may not.

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Speaker 6: They may not have the knowing that you're one hundred

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Speaker 6: percent positive, but you have an inkling, you have a suspicion,

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Speaker 6: you have a feeling, and that's all we need. The

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Speaker 6: police need a nudge in the right direction, and the

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Speaker 6: science will do the rest of it. Just a nudge,

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Speaker 6: and that's what That's what I hope for. And as

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Speaker 6: far as what Joanne said, if Joanne leaves this earth

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Speaker 6: before I do, I will persist and I will be there.

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Speaker 6: I don't care if I'm eighty five years old, even

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Speaker 6: though I already look eighty five. I will be there

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Speaker 6: to see this. Whoever this, whoever did this, go through

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Speaker 6: a trial and have justice served. So you know, it

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Speaker 6: seems like yesterday that I sat in Johanne's living room

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Speaker 6: had a family meeting about this case. And I can't

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Speaker 6: believe it's been eighteen and a half years. Wow.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 1: brutal murders these two beautiful people, Albert and Joan Masamo,

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Speaker 1: please we asked that you call seven seven five three

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Speaker 1: two eight thirty three twenty repeat seven seven five three

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Speaker 1: two eight thirty three twenty Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,