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Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited to be on the show and we

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Speaker 1: down south and a part of the New Orleans Saints.

428
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is like we talk so much

429
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 2: about young guys right like late draft picks, undraft trying

430
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: to make the team. You're a good example. I was

431
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 2: reading some quotes from from Dennis Allen, who obviously you

432
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: had a really good second preseason game, but a guy

433
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: who comes a little later, you're trying to make the team.

434
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 2: Things are going well. What's You've been on both sides? Right,

435
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 2: high pick, established player, and now in this situation, What's

436
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: what's the last couple of weeks been Like?

437
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a grind.

438
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: You know, anytime you get a chance to play in

439
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: the National Football League, you know, each and every year

440
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: you got to go out on your spot. And I'm

441
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: a guy who's been through some adversity from injury, to

442
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: new contract to being released to plan on multiple teams.

443
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: Entering my eighth season in the National Football League, you know,

444
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: you got to prove yourself every day. And I'm a

445
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: guy that I know I can still play the game

446
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: at a high level and add value to any team.

447
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: So I was just thankful, you know, for the opportunity

448
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: of Dennis Allen and the Saints bringing me in to

449
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: show what I can do. You know I and I've

450
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: done it. So I just got to continue on this process.

451
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, you got to

452
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: control what you can control.

453
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: So last year, you know, you would played the year

454
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: before he signed late with the Giants. Last year day

455
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: ball comes in, you play a lot up through the playoffs.

456
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 2: So a guy like you, you know your contract ends,

457
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 2: your free agent? Why were there opportunities before the draft?

458
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: Was just something that played out? Did you specifically wait

459
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: for the right opportunity? How does that play out for

460
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: a guy? You know, when I worked in the league,

461
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: we call you a street free agent? You know, Yeah,

462
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 2: how did you play that game? To figure out? How

463
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: you ended up with the New Orleans Saints.

464
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest thing is it's got to be

465
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 1: a team that wants you, that can you know that

466
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: you can add value you, that can actually see you

467
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: know where you would fit in their system and that

468
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: and that's something that I've always been fond of, just

469
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: making sure that I'm somewhere that I'm wanted and that

470
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: I can show and display, you know, my my talents,

471
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: you know, being a leader, having experience in the league,

472
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: having success in the league, and some ability.

473
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: You know, the only thing that matters is what you

474
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Speaker 3: do now.

475
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: And I had a great run, you know, the past

476
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: two years with the New York Giants, even having a

477
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: playoff game of playoff victory last year. That was an

478
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: amazing team coached by coach Stable, who's a great coach.

479
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: And for me, this off season was just about, you know,

480
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: being somewhere, you know that I can add some more

481
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: value and you know, the calls wait, you know, you

482
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: gotta wait for those calls. You gotta wait for those

483
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: those right opportunities. And for me, it was just about

484
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: making sure I was ready. So when the Saints came,

485
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: it brought me in. Killed the workout, and they brought

486
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: me right in and I've been working, I've been balling.

487
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 3: So we just got to keep this thing going.

488
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: We got one preseason game left and I'm just excited

489
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: to be still playing the game that I love.

490
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: One thing I saw Dennis Allen said about you, what's

491
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: unique is right, you don't have a long history definitely

492
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: a Notre Dame and early playing special teams. And now

493
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: is that something that you have to show that you

494
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 2: can do a little bit just to make this team? Like,

495
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: are you nervous right now? And you're because financially you've

496
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 2: made some money in the league. It's not like you

497
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: need this to survive. But the pride you want to

498
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 2: keep playing in the league, like to making the team

499
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: right now? Is that something that you go you think

500
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: a lot about or do you just old cliche day

501
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: by day just be where you're at on that given

502
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: day and just let the chips fall what they may.

503
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: Day by day, let the chips fall, because the more

504
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: you try to worry about what you can't control, it

505
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: can actually affect the things you can control. And I'm

506
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: a guy that's a faithful God, a believer in God,

507
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: and I know what he has for me is for me.

508
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: But as far as making his team and that value,

509
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, you got to show it every single day.

510
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: And that's just something that I've always prided myself, even

511
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: when you know I was the you know, the defensive

512
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: capital you know for a team and you know it's

513
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: the star player. So you know, nothing's changed for me.

514
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: And my preparation and my work and just going out

515
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: there to show that I've belong and that's what matters,

516
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, especially when you know you got a lot

517
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: left in the tank, you just got to continue to

518
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: prove it every single day.

519
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 3: So that's that's what I'm excited for. That's what I've

520
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: been doing.

521
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: And like I said, just just happy to be here

522
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, the fans that welcome me and you know,

523
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: the right way, and you hear a lot about culture,

524
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: and you know, you hear a lot about how amazing

525
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: the food is here in Louisiana and New Orleans.

526
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 3: So I'm just taking everything in day by day.

527
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: Sure you've been around obviously, I sure the giants were good.

528
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: You've been around some good cowboy teams. Just seeing these

529
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: guys a practice, I think there's a lot of just positivity.

530
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: Right with Derek coming in the talent that was already there.

531
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: Michael Thomas back, what's your take been on just the

532
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: operation in these last couple of weeks talent wise?

533
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: The take is in every room, we have we have skill,

534
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: we have leadership. It's it's a well balanced team. And

535
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: you talk about on paper, you talk about you know,

536
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: actually being a part of it. You know, you can

537
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: feel it, the energy, the confidence that we're building and

538
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: that we're growing. And the only thing that matters is

539
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: on game day can you make that same thing happen.

540
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: So the preparation has been key for us, and Dennis

541
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: Allen has done a great job at leading us men

542
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: as we you know, kind of build this culture in

543
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: this camaraderie, you know, headed into the season.

544
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: I've talked a lot about Brian Dabole on this PODCAS

545
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: cast and you know, I'm a ball guy, roof of

546
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: ball guys. What made him? Like tell me your experience

547
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: with him? And why is he a good coach?

548
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: Players coach, complete energy guy.

549
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: He he lets every player be themselves. You know, you

550
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: don't have to walk around the building trying to fit

551
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: this this image, you know, And I think the more

552
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: confidence that players have, the more comfortable that the players

553
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: and staff you know, kind of possessed the better than we,

554
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: you know, then we could play. You know, you have

555
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: those coaches that you just want to go out and

556
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: ball for, you know, you kind of want them in

557
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: your fox. So and Theable was one of those guys.

558
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: He displayed that you hear a lot about you know,

559
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll being one of those you know players coaches

560
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: that you just want to you just want to do right,

561
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, for and by. And that's what I loved

562
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: about Dable in my short time playing under him year,

563
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: you know with the New York Giants. Just had an

564
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: amazing time with the guys and we jailed together and

565
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: had success success and went on the run. And that's

566
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: kind of what I look forward to about being here

567
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: in New Orleans is just what we can accomplish, you know,

568
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: winning the division the ultimate goal, you know, being that

569
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, hosting that Lombard Chart Trophy, you know, but

570
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: it starts now. And that's why I was, you know,

571
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: very blessed to be able to join this team because

572
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I'm gonna do whatever it takes

573
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: to win. And that's what I told, you know, Coach

574
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: Allen is, you know, whatever he needs from me and

575
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: whatever role he knows that I can play and I

576
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: can produce, and I'm just going to make sure that

577
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm ready and continue to show it each and every day.

578
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: Sure.

579
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's roll it back to your younger years, you

580
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: know in Indiana, Kid Notre Dame Brian Kelly, You know,

581
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: you were an enormous five star recruit. Was I saw?

582
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: I read that you committed in December, so you know,

583
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: it's not like you waited till the end. Was there

584
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: ever a doubt? Where else were you thinking? Was a

585
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: Notre Dame since you were like a five year old?

586
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: It was probably If I didn't go to Notre Dame,

587
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: it would have been Ohio State. My older brother, Rod Smith,

588
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: he played at Ohio State and was there at the

589
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: time of my commitment, and that would have been the

590
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: only other school that I would have probably went to.

591
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: But I'm a mama's boy. I like to be close

592
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: to home, you know.

593
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: Notre Dame was a little closer than Fort Wayne than

594
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: then Ohio State was, and just having the opportunity to

595
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: play right away. I went to a Catholic high school,

596
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: so I got to, you know, kind of learn about

597
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: those those Catholic values you know, from from from high

598
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: school that could kind of help, you know, me learn

599
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: about this world and be able to maneuver, you know,

600
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: being an American citizen. And then Notre Dame is just

601
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: a prestigious university that's global, you know, being able to

602
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: play each and every week on national television, being able

603
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: to meet so many people. You know, my college roommate,

604
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: both of his parents were lost law graduates at Notre Dame.

605
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: They went to undergrad at Stanford, and you know, they

606
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: own their own law firms and things like that. So

607
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: just being able to create relationships outside of football, and

608
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: we're we're all relational human beings, so I value that

609
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: And Notre Dame was one of the best decisions I've

610
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: ever made for sure.

611
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: You know, from the outside obviously the way your career ended,

612
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: and then because you were such a highly touted prospect

613
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: coming in the draft, we just got to experience your

614
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: mindset about it. And I've never met you before this moment.

615
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: Talking to you, I always had a lot of admiration

616
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: and respect, and just I was like, I hope I

617
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: would do the same if I had such much adversity

618
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: in especially at a young point in time. I think

619
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: you were a huge inspiration for a lot of people

620
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: met the way you mentally handled it and what I

621
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: can see now, I mean, you're just a positive person.

622
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: But it's easy to be a positive person. Then you know,

623
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: stuff hits the fan. You know, how do you maintain

624
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: that mindset that injury is something we all saw. I mean,

625
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: how did you keep such a positive mindset through it all.

626
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: It's obviously worked out pretty well in your career, but

627
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: at the time that could not have been easy.

628
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: It was tough.

629
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: It was tough because you know, being the number one linebacker,

630
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, a sure top three, top five. Picking the draft.

631
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: To get hurt in your final collegiate game is something

632
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: that no one thinks of and no one imagines that

633
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: it will actually happen. But for me, when the injury occurred,

634
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: it was just like why now? That was my immediate response,

635
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: and then from it was just a belief system of like, Okay,

636
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: I have no time to have no time to really

637
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: like do well on what happened. What happened happened, and

638
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: I had so many people doubting me. There were doctors

639
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: saying that I probably never played the game again. So

640
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: I didn't have a choice but to have that belief

641
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: system of like that I would make it back. I

642
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: kind of referred it to a clear eye view, which

643
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: is my core values, and what it stands for is

644
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Speaker 1: a focused vision, a determined belief, and earn dreams. And

645
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Speaker 1: that's just kind of like my motto my core values

646
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Speaker 1: just on how I've been able to overcome everything. You know,

647
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: having that focused vision is a laser, being focused on

648
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Speaker 1: what you want to accomplish, and then having that determined belief.

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Speaker 1: It's about a self belief, a belief in yourself that

650
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Speaker 1: you can accomplish that goal. And then earned dreams is

651
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Speaker 1: just about how bad you want it. You know, what

652
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Speaker 1: work are you willing to play this game? What work

653
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: are you willing to put it to be successful? And

654
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Speaker 1: then when you talk about like it wasn't okay for

655
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: guys to skip games, you know, skip Bowl games before,

656
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, before my injury.

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Speaker 3: So I'm a huge catapult of.

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Speaker 1: That and of people being able to make a choice

659
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Speaker 1: on whether they want to play or not. You know,

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Speaker 1: if I could go back, I would have played still.

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00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: You know, that game was highly stouted. It was like

662
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Speaker 1: twelve first round projective picks in that Fiesta Bowl. So I,

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Speaker 1: you know, no doubt in my mind what I have

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Speaker 1: wanted to leave the game the right way, leave my

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Speaker 1: college career, being a Notre Dame captain, you know, with

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Speaker 1: my guys, with my brothers. But now guys get to

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Speaker 1: make the choice. So man, I'm just thankful to be

668
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Speaker 1: able to be.

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Speaker 3: A part of that.

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Speaker 2: You get guys, now, whether it be Notre Dame or

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Speaker 2: other you know, big time schools did either hit you

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00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: up on DMS or through an agent or whatever that

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00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: ask for your advice on what they should do in

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Speaker 2: those situations.

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Speaker 1: I do, I do, I do. And it's all about

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00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: pro choice. It's all about pro choice. You gotta weigh

677
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: your options. You gotta weigh, you gotta really think about

678
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: in the process what do you want to do, and

679
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: then from there what you know you do what's best

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00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: for you and what's best for your family. That may differ,

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00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, based on the individual you know, but you know,

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00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: for me, it's just about value over It's about value

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Speaker 1: over costs. And I'd love me know some Notre Dame

684
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Speaker 1: football and being a captain, there was just a blessing.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm just I'm just thankful to be a

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Speaker 1: part of this, this this rich history and tradition. I'm

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00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing them get a win this this uh,

688
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: this upcoming weekend as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what do you think of big picture? A

690
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: lot of hype on this team, a lot of returning dudes.

691
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: They get a quarterback, you know, that the transfer portal

692
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: wasn't around when you were playing. You get you get

693
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: a quarterback like a free agent Sam Hartman, a lot

694
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Speaker 2: of hype on him. How about a little well, how

695
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 2: about a little Notre Dame LSU playoff game? How sweet

696
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: would that be?

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Speaker 1: That would be phenomenal and now would be in attendance

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Speaker 1: talking a lot of trash to a lot of my

699
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Speaker 1: teammates here at the Saints that actually played in bad

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Speaker 1: bruge at LSU. So definitely would vote for that game

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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, man, I really appreciate it, And like I said, Man,

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00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: I think you're an inspiration your mindset for people that

704
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: you'll never even meet, and the way you handled that

705
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: and all your success and hell, we're rooting for you,

706
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: not just to make this team, but to keep this

707
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 2: career rolling. And good luck Jalen and go Irish baby.

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Speaker 3: Man. I appreciate you guys having me on y'all.

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Speaker 1: Y'all be safe, man, go iris Baby's let's do it

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00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: this year again.

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Speaker 2: That Jalen Smith interview was brought to you by Guinness.

712
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: Gather your friends, raise your glasses and toast a win.

713
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: Get us drought Stout imported by Diagio Beer Company USA,

714
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: New York, New York. Please Drake responsibly. Okay, let's bang

715
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Speaker 2: out a couple of mailbag questions at John Middlecoff is

716
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: the Instagram at John Middlecoff is the instagram firing those dms.

717
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 2: I understand Caleb Williams' quarterback one and May's quarterback two.

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Speaker 2: But how far apart are they really? If you look

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Speaker 2: at May's number numbers, his stat line last season is

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Speaker 2: almost identical to Derek Carr' junior season, except May also

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Speaker 2: ran for seven hundred yards. May is about as accurate

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Speaker 2: a passer as I've seen at the collegiate level in

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Speaker 2: a long time. Again, I understand Williams is the number

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Speaker 2: one guy. Wouldn't surprise me if he wins the Heisman Game.

725
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Speaker 2: But how far apart are they really? Yeah? I mean,

726
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Speaker 2: I am very very high on Drake May. It's an

727
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: elite player. Saban offered millions of dollars, so Nick Saban,

728
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Speaker 2: who runs an NFL operation, was willing to pay him.

729
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: Like what Kayleb Williams getting paid for USC? You want

730
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Speaker 2: five million dollars? Said no, State of North Carolina. Now

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Speaker 2: he also turned down Nick Saban. I think coming out

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Speaker 2: of high school. So Nick Saban has been all over

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Speaker 2: this guy for a long time. My guess is, if

734
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Speaker 2: I had to take a listen, I'm not always right,

735
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Speaker 2: and the lock can take place. Last year, at this time,

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Speaker 2: I thought will Levis would be the number one pick. Time.

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Speaker 2: He's a little bit of a meat heead had a

738
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Speaker 2: bad season Ritch Gangarello, but still stand by he had

739
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: a lot of talent. Just weird stuff happened. I think

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Speaker 2: it gets a lot closer as this season happens. Even

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Speaker 2: if Caleb just maintains his level of play, I think

742
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Speaker 2: Drake Starr continues to rise. So I'm with you, big

743
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: time athlete. So what made like part of what makes

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00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is he has like this Patrick Mahomes type

745
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Speaker 2: of game. So he's all guys like that are always

746
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Speaker 2: going to be, especially nowadays viewed as elite players. Trevor

747
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: Lawrence Andrew Locke what made them such special prospects. Now,

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00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: Caleb's a really good athlete too, he is their ability

749
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Speaker 2: to run. What makes Josh Allen so special justin herbert athleticism.

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Speaker 2: So I'm with you on Drake may. I think this

751
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: quarterback class at the top those two guys studs. So

752
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Speaker 2: I hear you. I view all of college gambling nonsense

753
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: about as stupid as the hardboss suspension. Obviously, they shouldn't

754
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: betting on games in which they play, but this is

755
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: about as close to enter entrapman as it gets. Gambling

756
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: is shoved in these kids' faces constantly, it's in the

757
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: palm of their hands, and bets can be made within seconds,

758
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Speaker 2: and we're going to pretend we didn't set them up

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00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: to fail. And these are somehow low character athletes. As

760
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Speaker 2: a libertarian, I'm typically all for personal responsibility, but this

761
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: is about as absurd as it gets. It's the equivalent

762
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Speaker 2: of handing out free beer tickets then surrounding the bar

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Speaker 2: with cops ready to pull everyone over. I have always

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00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: said this, if you're a player and you bet on

765
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: yourself to win, never really bothered me. Right. I understand

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Speaker 2: like if position coaches or a head coach or a

767
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: baseball manager bets on the spread, they can manipulate the

768
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Speaker 2: game and it starts being fraud. But if I just

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Speaker 2: bet on my team, if I am I'm a collegiate athlete,

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Speaker 2: if I'm Kayleb Williams and I put five thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: on USC to win money line. You wouldn't do that

772
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Speaker 2: against San Jose because they're an enormous favor But let's

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Speaker 2: say when they play Utah or Oregon, it's like minus

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Speaker 2: one ten and I put ten grand on the game.

775
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Speaker 2: What am I doing wrong? Bet on my fucking self? Right,

776
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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I have no problem where I do.

777
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: Like if you bet on the spread. Anyone that watched

778
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: that Netflix documentary on the Arizona State guy in the nineties,

779
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Speaker 2: he was like betting on the other side of the spread,

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Speaker 2: so he was he was manipulating the game, and that's

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Speaker 2: where you just get fraud. Right. It's the equivalent in

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Speaker 2: gambling of insider trading. So I'm with you. I don't

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Speaker 2: have a problem, especially if guys bet on other games, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with any of it, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I really don't. Just betting on your betting

786
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: against yourself or betting on the spread is where we

787
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: get into very very murky waters and the difference in

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00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: college and the pros. And this is why I have

789
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: zero sympathy for anyone in the NFL that has been

790
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: popped so far, is they get paid like that revenue

791
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: comes into their pocket. So all they're saying is you

792
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 2: cannot bet on the NFL. Hell, you can go home

793
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: and bet on college football, but you cannot bet on

794
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Speaker 2: the NFL. I think that's fair in the pros in college,

795
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: Like if I play for Alabama, I'm not allowed to

796
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Speaker 2: bet on Oregon USC. That doesn't bother me, and I'm

797
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: with you. I'm a libertarian personal responsibility do whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't bother me as much. Massive Bears fan Buddy

799
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: introduced Me to Me to You a couple of years ago,

800
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: and it's been an auto download ever since. Shit, I

801
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: like this guy, your last pot. I wanted to remind you, Yes,

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00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: the Pants should be bad, but the Bears own their

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00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: first round pick. I saw a couple of people DM

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00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: me that I said that the Panthers suck. You're right,

805
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 2: So if the Panthers don't want to totally suck, now,

806
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: let me rephrase what I said, even though I was,

807
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: you know, brain fart there. Obviously they made the trade.

808
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: No team tries to tank. None, It's just a fact.

809
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: Even if you attempt to, you know, blow up the team,

810
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: like the Cardinals, they are gonna try. Week one, Week two,

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Speaker 2: Week three, maybe the last couple of games they'll mail

812
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: it in. But how Once upon a time we saw

813
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: Brian Flores. His team had what one win or no

814
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: wins in December and he won three games, maybe had

815
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: one win. So these teams try. Fa're not stupid or not.

816
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: They just do. It's just the way. You don't work

817
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 2: all those hours to lose. Personally, I expect the Bears

818
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: to have a top fifteen pick in twenty four. My

819
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: question is, with our cap space and the picks we

820
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: have in twenty four and five five, is it bold

821
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Speaker 2: to say the Bears may make some serious noise in

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00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: the NFC come the twenty fourth season. Here's the problem.

823
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: If you have a top fifteen pick, that probably means

824
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: Justin Field's status on your team is up in the air.

825
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: That means you have a quarterback problem. You need to

826
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Speaker 2: get a you need to find another quarterback. And two,

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Speaker 2: as you saw in free agency, this is not baseball

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Speaker 2: or basketball. We're like Kevin Durant's available, or Ray Lewis

829
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Speaker 2: and Ladadian Tomlinson and Louke Keigley, Like most free agents

830
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, the team didn't want that guy. It's

831
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Speaker 2: usually not like who do you want this year to

832
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: buy Michael Parsons, Lane Johnson, Nick Moosa or George Kittle.

833
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: That's not the way free agency works. I would say

834
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Speaker 2: the worst free agency by a mile is the NFL.

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Speaker 2: In terms of premium players hitting the market. The only

836
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: premium players that ever hit the market now are via trade. Now,

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00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: that is where you could take advantage, like could you

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00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 2: make whoever that player is, I don't know the name,

839
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: but Jalen Ramsey, Khalil Mack, which you did once upon

840
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 2: a time. Could you make a trade like that? Because

841
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: that is when you have cap space and you have

842
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: extra picks. It allows you to kind of wheel and

843
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: deal that way. So I think that that would give

844
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 2: you a lot of wiggle room. But when it comes

845
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: to buying players like you, guys are probably smart. You

846
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: didn't buy McGlinchey this year. You don't want to just

847
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: overpay players in free agency, because that's what you gotta do.

848
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: You got to pay twenty thirty percent premiums on guys

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00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: that team didn't want. And even if, like the forty

850
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 2: nine ers would publicly say, like we liked Mike McGlinchey,

851
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: we just couldn't afford to pay him. What if you

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00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: had loved Mike McGlinchey, you would have found a way.

853
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: And it feels like I'm just alway shitting on McGlinchey.

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I think he's a fine starter, but at

855
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars guarantee, that's I mean, that's like highway

856
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: robbery for him. Which I don't blame him for signing

857
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: a contract, but that's crazy. I know you're probably like

858
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: most football fans are out on Trey Lance, but hear

859
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: me out, what if Kyle sees potential in him? We

860
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: know he doesn't have the biggest ar or is the

861
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: most athletic quarterback, but I believe he has an above

862
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: average arm and is mobile enough. Lance is still a

863
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: rock quarterback. Maybe Kyle thinks he can mold him into

864
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 2: an ideal quarterback. He's proven he doesn't need Rogers, Mahomes

865
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: or Allen. Kyle can still develop them for another two

866
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: to three years. He's only twenty three ps. I'm a

867
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: Falcons fan and hope we suck this year so we

868
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: can get Caleb. Also, I'm a Texas fan. Oh Texas,

869
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: not Texans. I've given Sark one more year if he

870
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 2: doesn't win, at least eleven games. We're going after Urban.

871
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy as in that Florida documentary. I've

872
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: only watched the first episode. It's wild how young Urban

873
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: looks when he first got to Florida. I would guess

874
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: he's early forties. He looks he looks pretty weather now

875
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: obviously put on some weight, just looks looks older. I mean,

876
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: I bet he's a guy in his sixties now, but

877
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: he was. He looked young when he first got to Florida.

878
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: I would say this about Trey Lance. He's only got

879
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: two years left on his contract. So the forty nine

880
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: ers are not going to resign the guy, even if

881
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: he were to write it out. If for whatever reason

882
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: they're not able to trade him and he's on the

883
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 2: team this year, I see under no circumstance that Trey

884
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 2: Lance is a forty nine or in twenty twenty four,

885
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: if he's the third string quarterback all season, if there's

886
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: no injuries, which you never know with the forty nine

887
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: Ers are quarterback's injured at a high rate. But I

888
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: do think it's over with Trey Lance, and I'm with you.

889
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 2: His story is not written. He can still improve a lot.

890
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: Here's the problem, though, in season, which now we're in season.

891
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: It's not really about development when you're not playing when

892
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: you're the backup, especially third string quarterback. So if they

893
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: trade them, let's say to the Atlanta Falcons, let's say

894
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: he's the Atlanta Falcons quarterback tomorrow. I mean, like he's

895
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 2: traded to the Atlanta Falcons. Well, if you guys started

896
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: let's say three and three, there is no way that

897
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: Desmond Ridder is getting benched. So worst case scenario, if

898
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: you start like that, you're talking about his opportunity to

899
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: play might not be till like November or December. And

900
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: then in practice, do you know what he does? He

901
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: services the defense as the backup quarterback. Tyler Heineke is

902
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: your backup at least I just typed in your depth chart.

903
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: How is Trey Lance beating out Tyler Heineke immediately? Maybe

904
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 2: over time he could, but I don't think Trey Lance

905
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 2: is in position to go anywhere and play right away.

906
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: I think best case scenario, the earliest he's ever playing,

907
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: if he's traded in the next couple days, is like

908
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: middle of October, because think of what it would take. Okay,

909
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: the Bucks Baker's their quarterback, he's getting what at minimum

910
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: a month. If they go one to three or zero

911
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: to four, then they would go to Kyle Trask to

912
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: see what they got there, because the guy's never really played.

913
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: Then they would go to Trey Lance. Right, So, if

914
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: you start two and two or three and three of

915
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: three of the Falcons, Desmond ridder And is still getting

916
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 2: a couple more games, And what if a practice Trey

917
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: Lance hasn't done enough, because the practice in the season

918
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: is so much different than practice in training camp. In

919
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: training camp, it's just about running your plays, reps for

920
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: the twos and the threes and obviously the ones. In

921
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: the regular season, you still do individual in group, but

922
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: then you go to your unit offense or defense, and

923
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: you start running game play plays. You start running like

924
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: looks against their you start getting ready for your opponent. Hell,

925
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: if you've played high school football, you know that football

926
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: practice is dramatically different in the off season, so the

927
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: spring or camp, than it is in the middle of September.

928
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: So it's harder for a backup without an injury at quarterback,

929
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: especially a guy a fringe second string guy like maybe

930
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: he just starts the third string guy to ever move

931
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: his way up I think Trey Lance is kind of

932
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 2: screwed in terms of playing time. I just don't see

933
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: where he's getting it. So, I mean some of these

934
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 2: people blame Kyle on the internet. I don't know. Question

935
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: about a bachelor party in Scottsdale coming up in September.

936
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: Bulk of the crew gets in Friday afternoon and we

937
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: have three tea times lined up for Saturday morning. All

938
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: good there, but there's four of us coming in Thursday

939
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 2: night looking for a whole resort on a golf course

940
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: for an amt time Friday before the rest of them

941
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: come in later that afternoon. Any recommendations where to stay

942
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: play Thursday night. I got a good one for you,

943
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: talking stick. It's the Casino. It's right in the middle

944
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: of Scottsdale. It's got multiple golf courses. It's got craps,

945
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: it's got blackjack, it's got buffet, it's got bars. You

946
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: can drink, you can gamble, you can play golf the

947
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: next day in the offseason. A bunch of players. I

948
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: have my neighbor. I think I've told this story right

949
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: before training camp started, said he played craps till two

950
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: in the morning with Deebo, Samuel and it was awesome.

951
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: He was hot with the dice, Deebo was making a

952
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: bunch of money. Everyone was having a good time. Had

953
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: another buddy that came in probably two months ago. He's

954
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: a big poker player, so he played poker till like

955
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: four in the morning. Sat in it right next to

956
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 2: Terrell sucks. So you get unique people at this casino

957
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: because it's right in the heart of Scottsdale and it's

958
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: got two golf courses right behind it. So talking stick

959
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: Indian casino, not relatively, you know, it's nothing like some

960
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: of these fancier hotels. I would recommend that have a

961
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 2: good time. What do you think of this take? Can

962
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: Justin Fields be a poor man's Jalen hurts Uh, that's

963
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: a good question. Justin Fields both coming out of the draft,

964
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: was I viewed him dramatically better? I did not like Jalen.

965
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: The one thing Jalen has really done is improved dramatically

966
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: with not just seeing the field anticipating, but it feels

967
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of touch to his ball. And

968
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's Steve Young, but I don't remember. Besides,

969
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: like Josh Allen, a guy improving more in like a

970
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: twenty four month span. So part of being a good

971
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: quarterback if you're justin because he already runs at an

972
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: elite level. I know. I think he said he's the

973
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: top five rusher of all time. He clearly is one

974
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: of the most talented rushing quarterbacks. Just guys with his legs,

975
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: with the ball in his hands we've ever seen. But

976
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: to be a good quarterback, it's about touch. And yeah,

977
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: if he develops a lot more touch, then he is

978
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 2: not as Jalen hurts, he can just be a really

979
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: good player because how do you defend a guy like

980
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: what made Lamar so good? He had touch, He became

981
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: accurate once he got to the league, and his running

982
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: was unstoppable. So yeah, I mean, if you're an elite

983
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: runner and you are a good passer, you become a

984
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: star player. Remember when the Chargers had Brian Dable in

985
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 2: the interview room and said no, thanks for Brandon stay. Yeah, man,

986
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: this is what I said earlier. There is no magic formula.

987
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: If you just hire the right guy, you will win.

988
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: If you hire the wrong guy, if you have a

989
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: star quarterback, you may still kind of win, but everyone

990
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: will still make fun of you. Like Brand Staley. If

991
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: the Charges had Brandon had Brian a ball. Maybe I'm

992
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: overrating Brian Aball, but if he is one of the

993
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 2: next good young coaches, I mean, is there a chance

994
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: the Chargers or were viewing them as like a legit

995
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: threat to win the AFC right there with the Chiefs.

996
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: Let's face it, as long as they got Stay, no

997
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: one's picking them to win the AFC, even though talent wise,

998
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 2: I mean, they definitely have enough. Question for the POD.

999
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: What do you think the main reason is that the

1000
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: NFC East has not had a repeat winner since four

1001
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: I feel like that's one of the craziest stats in

1002
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: sports that doesn't get talked about, especially considering there has

1003
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: been several instances of teams in the division winning getting

1004
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: to a super Bowl in that timeframe. Of the other

1005
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: divisions seems to have been dominated by one or two

1006
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: teams for long star stretches, the East always seems like

1007
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: a coin flip. Do you think this year is the

1008
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 2: Eagles year to break a streak and go back to back?

1009
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: It is a crazy, crazy stat. I think part of

1010
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: it is there hasn't been that many super Bowls Eagles

1011
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: have won won the Giants have won two. I guess

1012
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: three Super Bowls in a division in twenty years isn't bad,

1013
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: but several appearances, right, The Eagles have two during that time,

1014
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: so they've been there three times. The Giants have been

1015
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: there twice. Part of it is the Cowboys have had

1016
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: really good teams over that time period and they just

1017
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: haven't done anything in the playoffs. That's what makes it unique.

1018
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: For the most part, Washington hasn't been that good, right,

1019
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 2: they won the division a couple of years ago at

1020
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: seven and nine, give me a break, and then they

1021
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: wanted the one year with RG three with the Shanahans.

1022
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: But you know, you've had a lot of just I mean,

1023
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: those two ELI teams who I'm pretty sure actually the

1024
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: two teams that ELI had they won. They were the

1025
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: fucking wild card. Yeah, I don't know what to make

1026
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: of it, even know it's crazy. Part of it has

1027
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 2: to do with starting in four that was like the

1028
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: second half of McNabb's career wasn't as consistent. ELI was

1029
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 2: always I mean, his career is really defined by two

1030
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: sweet playoff runs, not by consistently every year being a

1031
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 2: pro bowler. Dallas roller Coaster Ride with Dak and Tony

1032
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: Romo and Washington just kind of sucking. So I don't

1033
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: really have a great answer for you, but they just

1034
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: haven't had like Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos or the legion

1035
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: of Boom Seattle Seahawks, where it's like every year the

1036
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: team's gonna win thirteen games. Even this year, you think

1037
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: the Eagles are gonna win it. But if the Cowboys

1038
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: won the division wouldn't be that shocking. And if Keavon

1039
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: Thibodeaux becomes a twelve sack guy and Daniel Jones throws

1040
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: thirty three touchdowns, what if they win thirteen games? That

1041
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: seems a little crazier but not implausible to go from

1042
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: nine wins to or let's say twelve, and let's say

1043
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: all three of them win twelve and the Giants have

1044
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: the type, right. I think it just has to do

1045
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: more with the competitiveness of that division, which is really

1046
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: really high. Having lived it and seen it firsthand, it's

1047
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: just big boy brands, a lot of money, a lot

1048
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: of pressure. Now we'll see what Josh Harris. I was

1049
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 2: thinking this the other day when that handshake went viral

1050
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: of Joe Buck and Josh Harris. I don't think Josh Harris,

1051
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: and I get it, like there are only so many

1052
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: human beings that have the capability to kind of check four, five, six,

1053
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: seven billion whatever these teams cost, right, So it's a

1054
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: immediately if you're talking like who can own Team X

1055
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: in any major sport, you're talking about a small segment

1056
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: of humans. But Josh Harris owns the Philadelphia seventy six Ers,

1057
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: and having lived in that town, the Eagles would be

1058
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: the equivalent of like L LSU football and Baton Rouge

1059
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 2: or Georgia football and athletes like the Eagles are everything.

1060
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 2: But I would say the Phillies and the Sixers are

1061
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: a really freaking big deal, Like they would be the

1062
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 2: equivalent in most cities as the number one team, the

1063
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 2: way the Sixers are followed covered talked about in Phillies.

1064
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: When both of them are relevant and good, they matter

1065
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: a lot. Eagles are one. But that's like two A

1066
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: and two B. He owns the fucking Sixers and he

1067
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: bought the Washington Commanders. I text a buddy that works

1068
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 2: for the Eagles. I'm like, I one, this is nuts,

1069
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: how is this possible? And two I don't think he

1070
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: could have owned Like I don't, And I'm not saying

1071
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 2: he would have been the guy that bought these teams

1072
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: and clearly they're not for sale. He could not have

1073
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: owned the Giants or the Cowboys and continued to be

1074
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: the Sixers owners. It just wouldn't have been. They would

1075
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: have boycotted the team. He can get away with it

1076
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: a little bit because for the last couple decades Washington

1077
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 2: is like who cares? But would have been a couple

1078
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: of years just the law of averages. What's gonna happen

1079
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: when the Eagles in Washington in like twenty twenty six,

1080
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 2: last game of the seas like winner gets in and

1081
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: Washington beats them, and there's this video of the fucking

1082
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 2: Sixers owners dancing in the locker room with Lincoln Riley

1083
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: as head coach and Caleb Williams or some you know.

1084
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: I'm just throwing on hypotheticals here. If I was a

1085
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 2: guy in Philly, it'd be like, fuck this guy, Like,

1086
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: I get it, he wanted to own a team, But

1087
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: you own a team in our division. Because the moment

1088
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: Washington just gets is decent. Again, Hell, they beat him

1089
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: last year. It's not the same level as the Cowboys

1090
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: and the Giants, and a part of it. It's just

1091
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: been the recency bias to how good they've been when

1092
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: the Eagles been good under coach Read till today. But

1093
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: it's pretty crazy when you think about that out loud

1094
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: or just like just think about the visuals. It's just

1095
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: something to keep an eye on. I just don't think

1096
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 2: that'll be tolerated, especially if Washington ever gets good and

1097
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: they're like beating the Eagles, because what do owners usually

1098
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: do when their team's good, Jumping up and down, dancing

1099
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: in the locker room doing stupid shit. I don't know,

1100
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: something to keep an eye on, Like, I just don't

1101
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: think that'll be tolerated, not in that city now with

1102
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: that fan base, and nor should it be. I'm sorry.

1103
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: It just like if I'm a if I'm a diehard

1104
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: forty nine er fan and you know, the guy that

1105
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: owns the Giants also owns Seattle in Seattle and is

1106
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 2: beating my team like this, this ain't cool. There's nothing

1107
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: I can actually do about it. Besides like, screw this.

1108
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: In Philly, they will like boycott you. That's something just

1109
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: big picture. I got that situation red flag again. I

1110
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: don't think if the Giants were for sale, he could

1111
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: have been the owner, and if he was, he would

1112
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: have to basically get rid of divulge his interest in

1113
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,479
Speaker 2: the Sixers. That would not be tolerated, that they would

1114
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 2: not like every single person in the city were back.

1115
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 2: This ain't gonna work. Dog like this, This ain't penciling.

1116
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: He can get away with it, at least initially in Washington.

1117
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: But I got that situation. In the next couple of years,

1118
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: something blowing up. I promise you it will. I don't

1119
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: know exactly how, I don't know exactly what, but I

1120
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: could see something getting weird. Ke'm going to end on

1121
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: this lifelong forty nine or fan, What is your opinion

1122
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: on Super Bowl contending teams drafting and starting rookie kickers.

1123
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: Thinking of the Niners and Jake Moody, anytime you decide

1124
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: to draft and enlist a rookie kicker, there are challenges

1125
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: for both the organization, organization and the player involved. I

1126
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: think when rookie kickers are tasked was starting for legit

1127
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: Super Bowl contending teams, an additional layer of pressure is

1128
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: added to an already difficult road to making it in

1129
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: the league, becoming a mainstay for years to come. From

1130
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: a team standpoint, regardless of whether the kicker works out

1131
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: or not. A question mark is suddenly introduced to a

1132
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: near complete team when the focus should be squarely on

1133
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: the Lombardi Trophy. This is a really good question. This

1134
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: gets back to the economics of the lead, and you

1135
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 2: get to a point. Once you get a high priced team,

1136
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: which the Niners are, you can't be paying Robbie Gold

1137
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: five six million dollars because you got to pay Nick Bosa,

1138
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: you gotta pay Deebo Samuel, you got to figure out

1139
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: how to pay Brandon Ayuk. Youre already paying Trent Williams

1140
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: and Fred Warner. You're paying a lot of guys a

1141
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: lot of money. And I think if Kyle there was

1142
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: no salary cap, they would just keep paying Robbie Gold

1143
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: till he couldn't kick anymore. But at every other position,

1144
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: whether you're the Chiefs, whether you're the Bengals, whether you're

1145
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 2: the Eagles, you make some tough decisions and you let

1146
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 2: guys go. When I was in Philly, after my first year,

1147
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: we won the division and we lost in the playoffs

1148
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 2: to the eventual champs. It was the year Aaron Rodgers

1149
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl. Packers beat us well David Akers

1150
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: had had had a weird year, but he also was

1151
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: just like, it's time to just move on and get

1152
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: a new kicker. Well, it's hard in the kicker business, right,

1153
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: You're like, well, ideally you just like to draft a

1154
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 2: guy passed, like third, fourth round whatever, have him just

1155
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: be your kicker for the next decade, and those first

1156
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: couple of years are cheap. But sometimes it gets weird.

1157
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: And with Jake Moody got weird immediately because he started

1158
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: missing kicks. He misskicks in both games, so it's concerning.

1159
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: But he's a blue chip guy from Michigan who's kicked

1160
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: in weather. So I think you just bet on Harbaugh

1161
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: can be I would say clearly pretty over the top

1162
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: and pretty outrageous with some of his comments about players.

1163
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: But when he said death taxes and Moody the things

1164
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: that you can rely on to be a guarantee in

1165
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 2: his experience with Jake Moody, Moody didn't miss. The guy

1166
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 2: was fucking nails. And this is the hard part about

1167
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: the draft, right, So you draft a guy from a

1168
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: program who's been kicking ass, taking names, who's betting some

1169
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: tight games and needed Moody to make kicks and all

1170
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: he's done is make kicks. And then you get him

1171
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: and he's immediately missing some in games. Like you just

1172
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: never know. We did that when I was in Philly.

1173
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 2: We drafted this due from Nebraska something Henry Jake, Henry

1174
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: Bill Henry, and he immediately sucked. Now Jake is much

1175
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 2: more talented. But remember Aguile A Guile was drafted by Tampa.

1176
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: Now that was pre Brady and immediately just sucked and

1177
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 2: was had like a case of the yips. And listen,

1178
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: I'm a golfer. You lose your confidence kicking unlike defensive end. Right,

1179
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: if I just have a rough week at camp or

1180
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: have a bad game, like the next practice, we just

1181
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: start going full speed. You keep going full speed and

1182
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 2: kick as a kicker. It's like you can practice or whatever.

1183
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: But you might get a game where you get no

1184
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 2: field goals, maybe kick a couple extra points. The next

1185
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: game it could be like four field goals, two in

1186
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, one to win the game. You just

1187
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 2: never know. There's so much time thinking. It's like a reliever.

1188
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: You start losing your confidence. Your job is spent way

1189
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: more time standing around than it is like playing small forward.

1190
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: Just keep shooting, keep running, keep playing some defense. You

1191
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: just it's hard to not overthinkin so you had to

1192
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: move on. You couldn't keep paying a forty plus year

1193
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: old kicker premium money. Now, I'll tell you this, if

1194
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 2: Jake Moody starts missing, I could see them just like

1195
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 2: putting them on injured reserve and begging Robbie Gold to

1196
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 2: come back. But I do think they had I don't

1197
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: blame them for doing it, and I don't think there

1198
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: were other options, Like you don't want to sign some

1199
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: random cheap kicker who's already in the league because he's

1200
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 2: cheap for a reason. So you's got to find your own.

1201
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: The problem is the history at that position, like Google,

1202
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 2: where Justin Tucker was drafted. I'll do it for you.

1203
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 2: He wasn't. A lot of guys that become great players

1204
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 2: were not draft picks. I'm pretty sure you know the

1205
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:44,479
Speaker 2: Broncos forever with McManus not wasn't drafted. What's his name

1206
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: from the Raiders, Daniel Carlson, really good player was he

1207
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 2: from Auburn?

1208
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 3: He was.

1209
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: A fifth round pick? So kickers hard. You just whether

1210
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 2: you draft him, whether he signons undraft free. It's I

1211
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 2: would say, it's the closest thing. It's a little playing

1212
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: the lottery. Obviously, I have better odds, you know, drafting

1213
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 2: or signing a kicker than playing the lottery. But you

1214
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: know what I mean, kind of hope because all the

1215
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: other positions, like what are you really evaluating, like lake strength, mentality.

1216
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: You don't know if anyone knew that Justin Tucker was

1217
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 2: going to be, I don't know, the greatest kicker of

1218
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 2: all time. What if you could redo Justin Tucker's draft

1219
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: like twenty eleven or whenever he came out, he definitely

1220
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: goes in the second round. You could argue some good

1221
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 2: teams like the Chiefs don't need a kicker, well, it

1222
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: looked like they did for a second last year. But

1223
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: Tucker would go high. He would go in the top

1224
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: fifty picks for sure. So when you draft a guy

1225
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: at the end of the third round, the Niners love

1226
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 2: acting too like it was a fourth round pick. Like, no,

1227
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: it was a third round pick. It was on the

1228
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 2: second day. I get it was in the compensatory part

1229
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: of the round, but it was on the second day

1230
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 2: of the draft, so you don't you can't claim it

1231
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: as a fourth rounder. He just needs a miskick, Make kicks.

1232
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: That's all you used to do. It's all any kicker

1233
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: or punter. If you're a punter, pin the guy, hit

1234
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: the ball far. If you're a kicker, make the fucking kick.

1235
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: The other positions we get into the weeds with all

1236
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 2: the different techniques is kickers punters get the fucking job done.

1237
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: You got one job. Hunt the ball far, punt the

1238
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 2: ball to the left or right, or if you're a kicker,

1239
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 2: hit between the uprights. No one else cares about any

1240
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: of your process, about what you're doing mentally, do what

1241
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 2: you got to do to get right and make the kicks.

1242
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: It's really that simple. Appreciate everyone listening, have a good weekend,

1243
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: enjoy some football, and we'll get into the weeds next

1244
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: week when we're putting these fifty three man rosters together.

1245
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: The volume