WEBVTT - Orchestra of Mayhem 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.560 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:20.200 me your girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.440 you know, I'm excited to get into conversation with our 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.880 friend Glenn Kirshner, who was absent last week but is 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:33.000 back with us, to give us a rundown on all 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.760 of the legal news that is happening right now. All's 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.680 continuing to swirl around Donald Trump, who is yet to 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.880 be indicted, yet to face any type of criminal charges, 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:48.640 and still continues to activate his bass to his lies, 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.400 activate them to violence. I've been talking about the fact 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.880 that the New York Times has reported that the talk 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.040 of civil war on these far right channels and Justin 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.120 and I don't even want to say it's far right channels, 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:06.320 it's Republican chatter is up three thousand percent, and Donald 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:11.640 Trump is their conductor, right, he is the orchestra conductor 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:16.440 of mayhem and chaos. And without taking out Donald Trump, 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.520 without indicting him, without placing a fucking muzzle on that 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.039 man's mouth, without throwing him in jail and everyone around 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.360 him for their attempts to try and overthrow the government, 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.560 we now know through the Department of Justice through yet 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.959 another league that guess what, they don't have all the documents. Well, 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.240 surprising no one, we all know that they don't have 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.280 all the fucking documents. We all know that Donald Trumps 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.559 has them stashed around in as many of his homes 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.800 as he has because they come with dollar signs. You know, 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.840 I can't help but think and don't I'm not saying 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.840 that this is true. I'm just saying, let's think about it, 0:01:55.200 --> 0:02:00.800 Oh peck. You know the group of countries that produce, 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.279 essentially in trade, the world's oil that allows our cars 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.400 to run because we refuse to invest in any type 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:13.000 of significant clean energy that is the energy of the future, 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:18.720 because we our Earth's supply is diminishing, right, and you 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.680 know we're going to war over this ship. But nonetheless, 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.800 I think to myself, it's a part of OPAC. Well, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:35.040 it's the Saudis, Kuwait Emirates. You know, the groups that 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.359 are in the Middle East. But when I hear Saudis 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:42.200 and I hear that, you know they got a lot 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.639 and they are like pretty much running things. I say 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:53.000 to myself self, the same Saudis that gave Jared Kushner 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:57.200 two billion dollars when he exited the Trump White House. 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:02.760 The same saudis that the Trumps, all of them, have 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:07.840 been in bedwidth Mohammad bin Salaam. And then they decide 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:16.400 thirty days before midterm elections, to increase the cost of 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:23.920 oil per barrel? Is this a coincidence? Maybe? Or maybe 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:29.080 fucking not right? You know, folks, I'm so tired of 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:34.480 being thought of as a fool, because that's what Republicans, 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.920 That's what I feel like. This Justice Department wants to 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.880 take the American people for They want to take us 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.440 for a fucking ride. Because you're telling me that you 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:49.240 have motherfuckers that are in jail right now because of 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.000 their manipulation of documents that are on a lesser level 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.760 than what Donald Trump has done, and they're serving time, 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.440 no questions asked. But we're still trying to die eyes 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:05.320 and cross tees for a known criminal enterprise. Really, that's 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.520 what we are here doing. We know that Jared Kushner 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.520 was given two billion dollars. We also know that he's 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.840 no businessman. His fucking father was thrown in jail for 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.120 his fraudulent shit. So we want to think that all 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:20.719 of that is on the up and up, and that 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.040 these documents have nothing to do with that, Like, are 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.960 we dumb? I just like, folks, I gotta tell you, 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:35.080 every day is yet another day that I feel fucking crazy, right, 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.920 And I know that if I feel crazy, y'all feel 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.960 crazy too, because the questions that I will ask glennar 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:46.080 you know what's funny is that I'm not sure if 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.920 we don't actually get to the root of the root 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.839 and the core of the core of the rot that 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.920 is ever present not only in the Department of Justice, 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:01.279 but the FBI, the Secret Service, the CIA, and all 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:05.880 of these places, that we actually bounce back because I'm 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.440 at a place where I'm just like, you know, maybe 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.560 Lindsay Graham and all of them are right in dieting. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.640 Donald Trump is going to cause more violence. You think 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.880 the FBI is out there trying to pick up any 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.960 of those people, No, because they're probably in their own ranks. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.560 So I'm just like, folks, are we just fucked? Those 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.640 are the questions that wake me up in the middle 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:31.200 of the night. Is everything just done? And what we 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.440 are participating right now is just a show for show's sake? 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.520 I have no idea, but I know, for one I 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:43.120 am exhausted. Coming up next my conversation with our good, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:48.680 good friend, the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. Hey there, 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.960 I want to tell you about another podcast I think 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.800 you'll love. The Brown Girl's Guide to Politics, hosted by 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.440 a Shanty Goehler, the president of Emerge. 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I don't know when 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.720 you sleep, but I really don't. Every time I turn 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.520 on my TV, I'm like, there he is, so for us, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.880 we always appreciate your time on woke. F Let's start 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.839 with where we find ourselves with the Oathkeeper's case as 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:55.360 a lot of interesting tidbits have been bubbling up. One 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.640 in particular that I want to unpack, which is what 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.719 seems to be communication. I won't call it coordination, but 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:07.560 communication between the Oathkeepers on the ground and Secret Service. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:14.000 This came out in the case in the hearing. Please 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.640 tell us more about what you've been paying attention to. Yeah, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.600 I think it's really it's an interesting development. I call 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.360 it eyebrow raising, but I don't think it's all that 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.600 your main to the trial, quite frankly, and I think 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.119 the prosecutors would be well advised not to distract the jury. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.360 I know these prosecutors. They're my old homicide folks. I 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.720 tried the first murder case with one of the lead prosecutors, 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.920 Kaper Cozy. She's fabulous. So here's how the testimony developed. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.800 There was a Trump rally in September, now this is 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:48.200 September before the November election in Fayetteville, North Carolina. One 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.800 of the witnesses who was a member of the oath 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.320 Keepers temporarily. I'll talk more about that in a minute, 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.480 because it's really interesting. Angle He said he overheard a 0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:00.800 phone conversation where Elmer don't call him because his name 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.800 is Elmer and he hates it. Elmer. Stewart Rhodes was 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.320 on the phone. He couldn't hear the other end of 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.320 the conversation, but Rhodes said he was talking to a 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:14.640 secret Service agent, and this witness, who was retired military himself, 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.239 said yeah, in context what I was hearing, it sounded 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.640 like he was talking with a secret Service agent about 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.400 logistics for the Trump rally and what the Oathkeepers might 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:29.560 be able to do to help provide protection and security, 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.280 all of which is nonsense. That's really not what the 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:37.559 Oathkeepers were ever about. That's a curiosity, but frankly, Danielle, 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.360 it has nothing to do with the charges against the 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.880 five Oathkeepers on trial for what they did on January six, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.640 So you know, maybe we'll hear more about that in 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:51.960 the future. It's troubling, it's concerning, and hopefully DJ. I'm 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:56.439 confident DJ has investigated it. Why they chose to drop 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.240 that nugget in this trial, right, I don't know, but 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.920 they had a practical reason to do it. Of that, 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:06.720 I'm sure. So, Okay, bring us up to speed on 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.920 a reminder, a refresher, if you will, on what the 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:15.679 five oathkeepers are on trial four, we know that it's sedition, 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.800 are there any other elements? And again, just out of curiosity, 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.480 why is it just five? So here is that that's 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.120 a great question. I actually have a great answer for 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:32.800 a change, Dan Yell. I tried Rico cases in that 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:37.400 very courthouse, and there is a rule that has been 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.760 set by the United States Marshal Service, because those are 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.000 the ones who provide courtroom security for the judge, for 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.000 the jury, for the prosecutors, for the defense, for the audience. 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.160 They have a hard and fast rule that you can 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.960 try no more than six defendants in a courtroom at 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.400 any given time. There are other oath keepers who are 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.560 pending trial for the same seditious cons piracy, and they 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.720 will be charged in the future, but they opted only 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:07.800 to go against these five. I think it's for security reasons. 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.080 When I tried Rico cases, we did six in one trial, 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.480 six in the next trial, and because there was a 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.640 thirteenth defendant, I had to do a Rico case against 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.439 one defendant for three months. It really is a security thing. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.920 So I think that's what's driving the train, you know, 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.640 and just staying on this for a moment, because also 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.319 we saw reporting from the New York Times that is 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.680 talking about the fact that the call for a civil 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.600 war on these far right channels right which is how 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:43.720 January six, how these groups organized right out in the open, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:48.199 is up three thousand percent. Are we to believe Glenn 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:52.480 or just in your in your thoughts and an analysis 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:57.960 that even though Elmer is on trial right now in 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.439 the and other members of these other groups, the Proud 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.600 Boys at three percenters, their folks are on trial, that 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.240 they aren't that they are not still in control, like 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.480 are we? It is what I'm asking I guess is 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.280 that as we're trying to hold these people accountable for 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:19.440 January six, do you believe that there is also someone 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.480 who is keeping pace with how they're continuing with this coup? 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.880 I hope so, I hope the FBI is now focusing 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.400 on them in a way that perhaps they were not 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.280 in the run up to January sixth. Maybe they were. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.959 I don't want to sell the FBI short, but given 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.240 the lack of security at the capital on January six, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:45.760 there were some real law enforcement failures or orchestrations. If 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:50.720 Trump deprived the capital of the law enforcement resources it needed, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.480 to meet the attack. I hope they are. But here's 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:57.320 the good news. I actually think that groups like the 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:01.480 Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, the Proud Boys, have decimated 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.280 by the criminal charges that have been brought against those organizations. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:09.840 And there's a concrete example of that. Three witnesses testified yesterday. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.880 All three were former Oathkeepers. Now these were not gentlemen 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.480 who attacked the capital on January sixth. They were oath 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.200 Keepers in like the summer of twenty twenty and what 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.920 they saw from Elmer Stewart, Rhodes and other members of 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:30.320 the Oathkeepers so repelled and repulsed them that they quit 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.800 and they started cooperating with the authorities. So they're not 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.920 the cooperating witnesses who flipped. We're going to hear from 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.920 them in the weeks to come in the trial. And 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.800 here is why I came away from yesterday's court hearing, 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.400 which was a long day, with a little bit more 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:49.680 hope and optimism. Three witnesses testify, John Zimmerman, Abdullah Rashid, 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:54.120 and Michael Adams. They all said similar things. You know what, 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.520 I was drawn to the Oathkeepers because part of their 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:01.560 mission was to protect others to provide security to serve 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.560 people who needed help. We'll take that with a grain 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.760 of salt, because there are a lot of organizations you 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.280 can plug in to to serve others that don't also 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.720 have nationalism and white supremacy as a part of their mission. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.800 But let's set that aside for a minute. These three men, 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:21.280 all military veterans, said that's why I was drawn to serve, 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.600 and I'm a conservative, and I like Trump and all that. Okay. 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.959 Then after a month or two when they saw what 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:32.040 was going on inside the organization and they heard Elmer's 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:36.040 dangerous rhetoric wanting to overthrow the United States government and 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.880 wanting to do things like here's a testimony from yesterday. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.560 John Zimmerman said, we were at the million Maga march 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.960 in November after Trump lost the election. We were going 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.920 to provide security, and the leader of the oath Keepers, Elmer, 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.280 the lead defendant in this trial, said you know what 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.880 we should do. There's gonna be BLM and Antifa at 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:59.440 this million Maga march stirring up trouble. We should dress 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:03.959 like we're really elderly and vulnerable people and carry canes 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:08.199 and bait them into trying to attack us, and then 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:12.800 we'll give them a good beatdown. And John Zimmerman said, 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.760 I was so repulsed and angry. He was angry on 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.760 the sand, and he said so and upset by that. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.880 He said, that's the opposite of why I was drawn 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.800 to the Oathkeepers. I thought we were here to serve 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.600 other people, not bait them into you attacking us so 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.440 we could give them a good beatdown. All three of 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:39.040 these military veterans walked away from the oathkeepers and began 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:45.560 assisting the authorities against the oathkeepers. Danielle. That caused me 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:50.720 to stop and think about my perceptions. I hear oathkeepers, 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.240 what do I think? They're all a bunch of white 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:58.400 supremacists who are in it for the entirely wrong reasons. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.080 Not all of them were. I'm not excusing any of it, 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.000 but I came away feeling like, Okay, these former of 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:10.480 these military veterans, they really didn't have the perspective of 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:15.120 the Elmer Rhodes of the world, you know. So that 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.720 is a little bit of reason for optimism that I 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.960 didn't have before yesterday's sport. Here, Hey, I'm David Plots 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:26.680 of Slates Political gap fest as another election season accelerates, 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.280 it can be tricky to sort through all the noise 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.440 and the news. 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Do 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:15.920 you think that a guilty verdict, you know which who 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.880 knows that a guilty verdict resonates in any type of way, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.680 sends reverberations through maga world? Or is it just more 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.200 fuel for the fire? Look at the government coming against 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.640 us and we have to rise up even more? You know? 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:39.880 I think the Trump base loses people slowly over time, 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.520 at least those people who are either capable of critical 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:48.080 thinking or willing to assess facts and think critically. And 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.400 not everybody is right, but I don't think that. I 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:56.120 don't think Trump attracts anybody else to his base. So 0:16:56.200 --> 0:17:00.200 to answer your question, I think sudicious conspiracy convictions which 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.680 we can't predict. But I'm telling you this has been 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.679 we just finished week two. It is a very strong 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.919 case on the evidence because they have videotapes and audio 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:15.080 recordings and you know, signal chats and admissions by these people, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:19.679 and it's a very strong case. I think it helps. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.560 I think it helps, maybe only around the margins, but 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.240 it helps. And to answer your first question, the parties 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.359 predicted it would be a four to six week trial. 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.679 I can tell you we always overpredict how long a 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.000 trial is going to take, so it could be more 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.560 like three weeks, maybe four weeks. It started last week 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.600 with jury selection, this week with testimony, will continue the 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:47.560 testimony next week. Okay. Switching gears to another announcement that 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:51.800 was made lo and Behold. The Department of Justice now 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.600 believes that they don't have all of the files that 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.119 Donald Trump stole from the White House and took to 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.640 his home in Marilago or what we had been saying, 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.160 what I had been saying, potentially stash them around all 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.480 of his other properties god knows where in this country 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:14.200 and beyond this once again get another revelation where if 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.639 it were you, Glen, if it were me, we'd be 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.800 in jail, we would have been picked up already, we 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:27.680 would be indicted, we'd be under strict investigation. So what 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:31.240 does this new news provide to you? Because I can 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.520 tell you that the people that listen to my show 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:40.880 are like, so what else? What else does the Department 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.960 of Justice need at this point, Like it's getting to 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.480 the point of ridiculousness that they are, in my humble opinion, 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:53.440 are embarrassing themselves. So, first of all, Donald Trump, as 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:59.040 you said, it's been reported, still has documents he stole 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:05.520 from the government. I'm shocked, said absolutely nobody. Right, of 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:10.440 course he still has documents, probably that he squirreled away 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:16.359 in Bedminster, in Trump Tower, at his other properties. Of 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:22.240 course he does. Now, first of all, technically, the FBI 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:26.199 needs to have enough evidence of probable cause before they 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.640 can get a warrant for those other properties. So just 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.640 because we know it in our gut, and just because 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.240 there may be some bits and pieces of evidence and 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:41.120 information suggesting he still has more documents doesn't necessarily meet 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.679 the legal threshold of probable cause that would allow the 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.920 FBI to get more search warrants. So I don't want 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:51.600 to say they're being negligent. But here's the thing, Danielle, 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:58.720 as you said, stop negotiating with the documents terrorists, because 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:04.959 that's what Donald Trump is. When somebody commits of senses 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:12.639 by stealing classified information, national defense information, information about the 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:18.320 nuclear weapons capabilities of foreign countries, and they illegally conceal 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:25.000 those documents, stop negotiating with them, arrest them, indict them, 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:27.800 try them. And you know what that would have the 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.639 fringe benefit, daniel of having this judge, a lean cannon, 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:37.640 unbelievable horseshit melt away. It would melt away. It would 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:42.000 take a back seat to the criminal prosecution of Donald 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:46.239 Trump in the federal court in Washington, d C. For 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:52.840 God's sakes, Stop negotiating with the documents terrorists. It just 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.399 I mean, Glenn, you couldn't have said it better. It 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.760 is outrageous. At this point, we know that there are 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:05.080 people that are serving time in federal prison for less. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:11.040 We know that lock and you know airtight cases. I 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:16.480 don't understand how we continue to say that no one 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.479 is above the law that the Department of Justice doesn't 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:23.440 play politics, And yet we hear reports that no indictments 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.919 will come out until after the midterm elections. How is 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:30.600 that not playing politics? We are being told that, oh, 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.879 we have to take fine care because this is a 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.760 former twice in peach president of the United States. We 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:38.720 can't just throw around indictments. The Department of Justice has 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.400 to cross all its teas and eyes, does it? Because 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:45.720 Glenn as a black woman in these United States? I 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.720 gotta tell you it doesn't take much but to walk 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.560 outside of my home or actually be in my own home, 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:58.399 right to be shot, killed, presumed guilty for whatever reason. 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.360 So how is it that the of Justice you think 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:06.760 can justify, can justify this slow walking that they are 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.760 doing with somebody Glenn, who, as you say, is in 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:15.920 fact a domestic terrorist that continues to stir and coax 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:20.960 fires across this country. Yeah, if Donald Trump were a 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:26.040 person of color or a Muslim, how quickly would he 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:32.520 have been arrested. I can't justify DJ's slow walking. I 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:40.320 can explain it by the legitimate concern that if you're 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.680 going to charge a former president of the United States, 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.160 you want to do it right. You want to do it, well, 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.600 you want to do it after you have exhaustively investigated 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:56.960 the evidence against him, because there's little room for failure. Now, 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:00.480 no case is a perfect case. And I always taught 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:04.240 my prosecutors when I was supervising them at the DCUs 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:08.639 Attorney's office, it is far more important to try cases 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:13.920 than to win cases, because that is doing the right 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.399 thing by the victims of crime, by the community that 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:22.760 you are obliged to protect. Once you have probable cause, 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:26.760 you have enough evidence to charge, you must charge unless 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:30.399 there is some countervailing reason in the evidence not to. 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.399 DJ is trying to build the perfect case, build the 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:38.800 perfect beast against Donald Trump. There is no such thing 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:42.880 as a perfect case. And in the introm they're allowing 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:48.000 the criminal to do more damage to our democracy. They're 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:52.680 in my opinion, they're striking the wrong balance. But I 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:57.359 think that is why it's taking so darn long, you know, 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:01.479 And just on this point, what if anything is going 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:06.800 to happen with Judge alien Cannon. You know, she has 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:11.439 made it now her mission to show the country and 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.719 the world that she is nothing more than a puppeteer, 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:17.639 that she is doing exactly what she was put in 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:23.200 position to do, and it is unethical, It's unconscionable. So 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:27.000 what if anything, what if any recourse is there, even Glenn, 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:30.760 to deal with a person like her? The recourse is 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:35.320 anybody who wants to can go to US Courts dot gov. 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:40.560 There is a very short, intuitive, easy to fill out 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:44.480 judicial complaint for him. Anybody can fill one out and 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:47.280 submit it. And I have reason to believe, and I 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.800 have heard lots have been submitted already, to try to 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:57.240 urge a judicial oversight committee to open an investigation into 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:00.760 why Aileen Canon has been ruling in that are not 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:04.800 supported by the law. And you know that, frankly seem 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:10.880 entirely unsupportable given the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals unanimous 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:15.480 brutal SmackDown of a lean Cannon's ruling in favor of 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:18.600 TRUMPA and two of those three judges on the Eleventh 0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:23.240 Circuit Court of Appeals were Trump appointees, telling Judge Cannon, 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:28.400 you had no business exercising jurisdiction here and doing what 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:32.280 you did, it was an abusive discretion. They have at 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:36.399 least slow walked toward that conclusion, given the stage of 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:41.159 the appellate litigation, that to me does more than just 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:44.719 raise an eyebrow. It suggests there may be a reason 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:48.560 that she is ruling for reasons other than the facts 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:51.920 and the law, and we need to investigate what those 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:57.800 reasons might be. And then finally, for you, Glenn, we've 0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:03.879 only named but two cases there are. We have Tish 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:08.800 James New York, agh is going after the civil side 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:12.639 of what she calls basically a fraudulent criminal enterprise, the 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:18.000 Trump organization. And we are still watching what Fanie Willis 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:22.920 is doing in Fulton County in Georgia. We're coming up 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.639 with just a handful of weeks until mid term elections, 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.880 and we're still, as it pertains to Fanie Willis's case, 0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:34.639 investigating the last election. Where what are you hearing and 0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:38.719 seeing with regard to what kind of insight you can 0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:42.920 give us to how those two cases are going. So 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.879 Tish James case is the laydown winner. You know, I 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:50.120 has I hasten to add there's no such thing as 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:53.120 a short thing. But given what Tish James has put 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:57.040 together in that mega indictment, and Donald Trump invoked his 0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:01.040 Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination to all of those questions, 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:04.360 he loses, and he loses big. That is a case 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:08.720 that almost cannot be lost by Tish James's team. But 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.560