1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: me your girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited to get into conversation with our 4 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: friend Glenn Kirshner, who was absent last week but is 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: back with us, to give us a rundown on all 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: of the legal news that is happening right now. All's 7 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: continuing to swirl around Donald Trump, who is yet to 8 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: be indicted, yet to face any type of criminal charges, 9 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: and still continues to activate his bass to his lies, 10 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: activate them to violence. I've been talking about the fact 11 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: that the New York Times has reported that the talk 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: of civil war on these far right channels and Justin 13 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: and I don't even want to say it's far right channels, 14 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: it's Republican chatter is up three thousand percent, and Donald 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: Trump is their conductor, right, he is the orchestra conductor 16 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: of mayhem and chaos. And without taking out Donald Trump, 17 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: without indicting him, without placing a fucking muzzle on that 18 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: man's mouth, without throwing him in jail and everyone around 19 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: him for their attempts to try and overthrow the government, 20 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: we now know through the Department of Justice through yet 21 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: another league that guess what, they don't have all the documents. Well, 22 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: surprising no one, we all know that they don't have 23 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: all the fucking documents. We all know that Donald Trumps 24 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: has them stashed around in as many of his homes 25 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: as he has because they come with dollar signs. You know, 26 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: I can't help but think and don't I'm not saying 27 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: that this is true. I'm just saying, let's think about it, 28 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: Oh peck. You know the group of countries that produce, 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 1: essentially in trade, the world's oil that allows our cars 30 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: to run because we refuse to invest in any type 31 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: of significant clean energy that is the energy of the future, 32 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: because we our Earth's supply is diminishing, right, and you 33 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: know we're going to war over this ship. But nonetheless, 34 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: I think to myself, it's a part of OPAC. Well, 35 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: it's the Saudis, Kuwait Emirates. You know, the groups that 36 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: are in the Middle East. But when I hear Saudis 37 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: and I hear that, you know they got a lot 38 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: and they are like pretty much running things. I say 39 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: to myself self, the same Saudis that gave Jared Kushner 40 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: two billion dollars when he exited the Trump White House. 41 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: The same saudis that the Trumps, all of them, have 42 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: been in bedwidth Mohammad bin Salaam. And then they decide 43 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: thirty days before midterm elections, to increase the cost of 44 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: oil per barrel? Is this a coincidence? Maybe? Or maybe 45 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: fucking not right? You know, folks, I'm so tired of 46 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: being thought of as a fool, because that's what Republicans, 47 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: That's what I feel like. This Justice Department wants to 48 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: take the American people for They want to take us 49 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: for a fucking ride. Because you're telling me that you 50 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: have motherfuckers that are in jail right now because of 51 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: their manipulation of documents that are on a lesser level 52 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: than what Donald Trump has done, and they're serving time, 53 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: no questions asked. But we're still trying to die eyes 54 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: and cross tees for a known criminal enterprise. Really, that's 55 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: what we are here doing. We know that Jared Kushner 56 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: was given two billion dollars. We also know that he's 57 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: no businessman. His fucking father was thrown in jail for 58 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: his fraudulent shit. So we want to think that all 59 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: of that is on the up and up, and that 60 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: these documents have nothing to do with that, Like, are 61 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: we dumb? I just like, folks, I gotta tell you, 62 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: every day is yet another day that I feel fucking crazy, right, 63 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: And I know that if I feel crazy, y'all feel 64 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: crazy too, because the questions that I will ask glennar 65 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: you know what's funny is that I'm not sure if 66 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: we don't actually get to the root of the root 67 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: and the core of the core of the rot that 68 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: is ever present not only in the Department of Justice, 69 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: but the FBI, the Secret Service, the CIA, and all 70 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: of these places, that we actually bounce back because I'm 71 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: at a place where I'm just like, you know, maybe 72 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham and all of them are right in dieting. 73 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is going to cause more violence. You think 74 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: the FBI is out there trying to pick up any 75 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: of those people, No, because they're probably in their own ranks. 76 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: So I'm just like, folks, are we just fucked? Those 77 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: are the questions that wake me up in the middle 78 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: of the night. Is everything just done? And what we 79 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: are participating right now is just a show for show's sake? 80 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: I have no idea, but I know, for one I 81 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: am exhausted. Coming up next my conversation with our good, 82 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: good friend, the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. 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I don't know when 97 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: you sleep, but I really don't. Every time I turn 98 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: on my TV, I'm like, there he is, so for us, 99 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: we always appreciate your time on woke. F Let's start 100 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: with where we find ourselves with the Oathkeeper's case as 101 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: a lot of interesting tidbits have been bubbling up. One 102 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: in particular that I want to unpack, which is what 103 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: seems to be communication. I won't call it coordination, but 104 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: communication between the Oathkeepers on the ground and Secret Service. 105 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: This came out in the case in the hearing. Please 106 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: tell us more about what you've been paying attention to. Yeah, 107 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: I think it's really it's an interesting development. I call 108 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: it eyebrow raising, but I don't think it's all that 109 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: your main to the trial, quite frankly, and I think 110 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,119 Speaker 1: the prosecutors would be well advised not to distract the jury. 111 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: I know these prosecutors. They're my old homicide folks. I 112 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: tried the first murder case with one of the lead prosecutors, 113 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: Kaper Cozy. She's fabulous. So here's how the testimony developed. 114 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: There was a Trump rally in September, now this is 115 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: September before the November election in Fayetteville, North Carolina. One 116 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: of the witnesses who was a member of the oath 117 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: Keepers temporarily. I'll talk more about that in a minute, 118 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: because it's really interesting. Angle He said he overheard a 119 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: phone conversation where Elmer don't call him because his name 120 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: is Elmer and he hates it. Elmer. Stewart Rhodes was 121 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: on the phone. He couldn't hear the other end of 122 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: the conversation, but Rhodes said he was talking to a 123 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: secret Service agent, and this witness, who was retired military himself, 124 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 1: said yeah, in context what I was hearing, it sounded 125 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: like he was talking with a secret Service agent about 126 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: logistics for the Trump rally and what the Oathkeepers might 127 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: be able to do to help provide protection and security, 128 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: all of which is nonsense. That's really not what the 129 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: Oathkeepers were ever about. That's a curiosity, but frankly, Danielle, 130 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with the charges against the 131 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: five Oathkeepers on trial for what they did on January six, 132 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: So you know, maybe we'll hear more about that in 133 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: the future. It's troubling, it's concerning, and hopefully DJ. I'm 134 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: confident DJ has investigated it. Why they chose to drop 135 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: that nugget in this trial, right, I don't know, but 136 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: they had a practical reason to do it. Of that, 137 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure. So, Okay, bring us up to speed on 138 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: a reminder, a refresher, if you will, on what the 139 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: five oathkeepers are on trial four, we know that it's sedition, 140 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: are there any other elements? And again, just out of curiosity, 141 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: why is it just five? So here is that that's 142 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: a great question. I actually have a great answer for 143 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: a change, Dan Yell. I tried Rico cases in that 144 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: very courthouse, and there is a rule that has been 145 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: set by the United States Marshal Service, because those are 146 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: the ones who provide courtroom security for the judge, for 147 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: the jury, for the prosecutors, for the defense, for the audience. 148 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: They have a hard and fast rule that you can 149 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: try no more than six defendants in a courtroom at 150 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: any given time. There are other oath keepers who are 151 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: pending trial for the same seditious cons piracy, and they 152 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: will be charged in the future, but they opted only 153 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: to go against these five. I think it's for security reasons. 154 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: When I tried Rico cases, we did six in one trial, 155 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: six in the next trial, and because there was a 156 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: thirteenth defendant, I had to do a Rico case against 157 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: one defendant for three months. It really is a security thing. 158 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: So I think that's what's driving the train, you know, 159 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: and just staying on this for a moment, because also 160 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: we saw reporting from the New York Times that is 161 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that the call for a civil 162 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: war on these far right channels right which is how 163 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: January six, how these groups organized right out in the open, 164 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: is up three thousand percent. Are we to believe Glenn 165 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: or just in your in your thoughts and an analysis 166 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: that even though Elmer is on trial right now in 167 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: the and other members of these other groups, the Proud 168 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: Boys at three percenters, their folks are on trial, that 169 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: they aren't that they are not still in control, like 170 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: are we? It is what I'm asking I guess is 171 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: that as we're trying to hold these people accountable for 172 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: January six, do you believe that there is also someone 173 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: who is keeping pace with how they're continuing with this coup? 174 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: I hope so, I hope the FBI is now focusing 175 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: on them in a way that perhaps they were not 176 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: in the run up to January sixth. Maybe they were. 177 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: I don't want to sell the FBI short, but given 178 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: the lack of security at the capital on January six, 179 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: there were some real law enforcement failures or orchestrations. If 180 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: Trump deprived the capital of the law enforcement resources it needed, 181 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: to meet the attack. I hope they are. But here's 182 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: the good news. I actually think that groups like the 183 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, the Proud Boys, have decimated 184 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: by the criminal charges that have been brought against those organizations. 185 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: And there's a concrete example of that. Three witnesses testified yesterday. 186 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: All three were former Oathkeepers. Now these were not gentlemen 187 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: who attacked the capital on January sixth. They were oath 188 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: Keepers in like the summer of twenty twenty and what 189 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: they saw from Elmer Stewart, Rhodes and other members of 190 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: the Oathkeepers so repelled and repulsed them that they quit 191 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: and they started cooperating with the authorities. So they're not 192 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: the cooperating witnesses who flipped. We're going to hear from 193 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: them in the weeks to come in the trial. And 194 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: here is why I came away from yesterday's court hearing, 195 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: which was a long day, with a little bit more 196 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: hope and optimism. Three witnesses testify, John Zimmerman, Abdullah Rashid, 197 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: and Michael Adams. They all said similar things. You know what, 198 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: I was drawn to the Oathkeepers because part of their 199 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: mission was to protect others to provide security to serve 200 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: people who needed help. We'll take that with a grain 201 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: of salt, because there are a lot of organizations you 202 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: can plug in to to serve others that don't also 203 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: have nationalism and white supremacy as a part of their mission. 204 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: But let's set that aside for a minute. These three men, 205 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: all military veterans, said that's why I was drawn to serve, 206 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: and I'm a conservative, and I like Trump and all that. Okay. 207 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: Then after a month or two when they saw what 208 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: was going on inside the organization and they heard Elmer's 209 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: dangerous rhetoric wanting to overthrow the United States government and 210 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: wanting to do things like here's a testimony from yesterday. 211 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: John Zimmerman said, we were at the million Maga march 212 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: in November after Trump lost the election. We were going 213 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: to provide security, and the leader of the oath Keepers, Elmer, 214 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: the lead defendant in this trial, said you know what 215 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: we should do. There's gonna be BLM and Antifa at 216 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: this million Maga march stirring up trouble. We should dress 217 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: like we're really elderly and vulnerable people and carry canes 218 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: and bait them into trying to attack us, and then 219 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: we'll give them a good beatdown. And John Zimmerman said, 220 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: I was so repulsed and angry. He was angry on 221 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: the sand, and he said so and upset by that. 222 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: He said, that's the opposite of why I was drawn 223 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: to the Oathkeepers. I thought we were here to serve 224 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: other people, not bait them into you attacking us so 225 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: we could give them a good beatdown. All three of 226 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: these military veterans walked away from the oathkeepers and began 227 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: assisting the authorities against the oathkeepers. Danielle. That caused me 228 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: to stop and think about my perceptions. I hear oathkeepers, 229 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: what do I think? They're all a bunch of white 230 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: supremacists who are in it for the entirely wrong reasons. 231 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: Not all of them were. I'm not excusing any of it, 232 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: but I came away feeling like, Okay, these former of 233 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: these military veterans, they really didn't have the perspective of 234 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: the Elmer Rhodes of the world, you know. So that 235 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: is a little bit of reason for optimism that I 236 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: didn't have before yesterday's sport. Here, Hey, I'm David Plots 237 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: of Slates Political gap fest as another election season accelerates, 238 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: it can be tricky to sort through all the noise 239 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: and the news. Each week, on the gap Fest, John Dickerson, 240 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: Emily Bathlon and I decipher the headlines, break down the races, 241 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: and tell you what issues really matter. We do not 242 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: always agree, We definitely do not always agree, but we 243 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: always deliver thoughtful debate and we always have a good time. 244 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: So subscribe to Slate's Political Gapfest, new episodes every Thursday. 245 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: How long, Glenn, and you know again a guest, amit? 246 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: How long before we get to the end of this 247 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: oath Keeper trial? At least part one of the trial 248 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: and this saga? And that's one and then two? Do 249 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: you think that a guilty verdict, you know which who 250 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: knows that a guilty verdict resonates in any type of way, 251 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: sends reverberations through maga world? Or is it just more 252 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: fuel for the fire? Look at the government coming against 253 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: us and we have to rise up even more? You know? 254 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: I think the Trump base loses people slowly over time, 255 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: at least those people who are either capable of critical 256 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: thinking or willing to assess facts and think critically. And 257 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: not everybody is right, but I don't think that. I 258 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: don't think Trump attracts anybody else to his base. So 259 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: to answer your question, I think sudicious conspiracy convictions which 260 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: we can't predict. But I'm telling you this has been 261 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: we just finished week two. It is a very strong 262 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: case on the evidence because they have videotapes and audio 263 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: recordings and you know, signal chats and admissions by these people, 264 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: and it's a very strong case. I think it helps. 265 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: I think it helps, maybe only around the margins, but 266 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: it helps. And to answer your first question, the parties 267 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: predicted it would be a four to six week trial. 268 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: I can tell you we always overpredict how long a 269 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: trial is going to take, so it could be more 270 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: like three weeks, maybe four weeks. It started last week 271 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: with jury selection, this week with testimony, will continue the 272 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: testimony next week. Okay. Switching gears to another announcement that 273 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: was made lo and Behold. The Department of Justice now 274 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: believes that they don't have all of the files that 275 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: Donald Trump stole from the White House and took to 276 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: his home in Marilago or what we had been saying, 277 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: what I had been saying, potentially stash them around all 278 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: of his other properties god knows where in this country 279 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: and beyond this once again get another revelation where if 280 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: it were you, Glen, if it were me, we'd be 281 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: in jail, we would have been picked up already, we 282 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: would be indicted, we'd be under strict investigation. So what 283 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: does this new news provide to you? Because I can 284 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: tell you that the people that listen to my show 285 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: are like, so what else? What else does the Department 286 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: of Justice need at this point, Like it's getting to 287 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: the point of ridiculousness that they are, in my humble opinion, 288 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: are embarrassing themselves. So, first of all, Donald Trump, as 289 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: you said, it's been reported, still has documents he stole 290 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: from the government. I'm shocked, said absolutely nobody. Right, of 291 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: course he still has documents, probably that he squirreled away 292 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: in Bedminster, in Trump Tower, at his other properties. Of 293 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: course he does. Now, first of all, technically, the FBI 294 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: needs to have enough evidence of probable cause before they 295 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: can get a warrant for those other properties. So just 296 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: because we know it in our gut, and just because 297 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: there may be some bits and pieces of evidence and 298 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: information suggesting he still has more documents doesn't necessarily meet 299 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: the legal threshold of probable cause that would allow the 300 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: FBI to get more search warrants. So I don't want 301 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: to say they're being negligent. But here's the thing, Danielle, 302 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: as you said, stop negotiating with the documents terrorists, because 303 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: that's what Donald Trump is. When somebody commits of senses 304 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: by stealing classified information, national defense information, information about the 305 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons capabilities of foreign countries, and they illegally conceal 306 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: those documents, stop negotiating with them, arrest them, indict them, 307 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: try them. And you know what that would have the 308 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: fringe benefit, daniel of having this judge, a lean cannon, 309 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: unbelievable horseshit melt away. It would melt away. It would 310 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: take a back seat to the criminal prosecution of Donald 311 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,239 Speaker 1: Trump in the federal court in Washington, d C. For 312 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: God's sakes, Stop negotiating with the documents terrorists. It just 313 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: I mean, Glenn, you couldn't have said it better. It 314 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: is outrageous. At this point, we know that there are 315 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: people that are serving time in federal prison for less. 316 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: We know that lock and you know airtight cases. I 317 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: don't understand how we continue to say that no one 318 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 1: is above the law that the Department of Justice doesn't 319 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: play politics, And yet we hear reports that no indictments 320 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: will come out until after the midterm elections. How is 321 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: that not playing politics? We are being told that, oh, 322 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: we have to take fine care because this is a 323 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: former twice in peach president of the United States. We 324 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: can't just throw around indictments. The Department of Justice has 325 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: to cross all its teas and eyes, does it? Because 326 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: Glenn as a black woman in these United States? I 327 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: gotta tell you it doesn't take much but to walk 328 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: outside of my home or actually be in my own home, 329 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: right to be shot, killed, presumed guilty for whatever reason. 330 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: So how is it that the of Justice you think 331 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: can justify, can justify this slow walking that they are 332 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: doing with somebody Glenn, who, as you say, is in 333 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: fact a domestic terrorist that continues to stir and coax 334 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: fires across this country. Yeah, if Donald Trump were a 335 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: person of color or a Muslim, how quickly would he 336 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: have been arrested. I can't justify DJ's slow walking. I 337 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: can explain it by the legitimate concern that if you're 338 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: going to charge a former president of the United States, 339 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: you want to do it right. You want to do it, well, 340 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: you want to do it after you have exhaustively investigated 341 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: the evidence against him, because there's little room for failure. Now, 342 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: no case is a perfect case. And I always taught 343 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: my prosecutors when I was supervising them at the DCUs 344 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: Attorney's office, it is far more important to try cases 345 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: than to win cases, because that is doing the right 346 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: thing by the victims of crime, by the community that 347 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: you are obliged to protect. Once you have probable cause, 348 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: you have enough evidence to charge, you must charge unless 349 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: there is some countervailing reason in the evidence not to. 350 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: DJ is trying to build the perfect case, build the 351 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: perfect beast against Donald Trump. There is no such thing 352 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: as a perfect case. And in the introm they're allowing 353 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: the criminal to do more damage to our democracy. They're 354 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: in my opinion, they're striking the wrong balance. But I 355 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: think that is why it's taking so darn long, you know, 356 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 1: And just on this point, what if anything is going 357 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: to happen with Judge alien Cannon. You know, she has 358 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: made it now her mission to show the country and 359 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 1: the world that she is nothing more than a puppeteer, 360 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: that she is doing exactly what she was put in 361 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: position to do, and it is unethical, It's unconscionable. So 362 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: what if anything, what if any recourse is there, even Glenn, 363 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: to deal with a person like her? The recourse is 364 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: anybody who wants to can go to US Courts dot gov. 365 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: There is a very short, intuitive, easy to fill out 366 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: judicial complaint for him. Anybody can fill one out and 367 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: submit it. And I have reason to believe, and I 368 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: have heard lots have been submitted already, to try to 369 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: urge a judicial oversight committee to open an investigation into 370 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: why Aileen Canon has been ruling in that are not 371 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: supported by the law. And you know that, frankly seem 372 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: entirely unsupportable given the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals unanimous 373 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: brutal SmackDown of a lean Cannon's ruling in favor of 374 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: TRUMPA and two of those three judges on the Eleventh 375 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: Circuit Court of Appeals were Trump appointees, telling Judge Cannon, 376 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: you had no business exercising jurisdiction here and doing what 377 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: you did, it was an abusive discretion. They have at 378 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: least slow walked toward that conclusion, given the stage of 379 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: the appellate litigation, that to me does more than just 380 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: raise an eyebrow. It suggests there may be a reason 381 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: that she is ruling for reasons other than the facts 382 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: and the law, and we need to investigate what those 383 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: reasons might be. And then finally, for you, Glenn, we've 384 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: only named but two cases there are. We have Tish 385 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: James New York, agh is going after the civil side 386 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: of what she calls basically a fraudulent criminal enterprise, the 387 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: Trump organization. And we are still watching what Fanie Willis 388 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: is doing in Fulton County in Georgia. We're coming up 389 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: with just a handful of weeks until mid term elections, 390 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: and we're still, as it pertains to Fanie Willis's case, 391 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: investigating the last election. Where what are you hearing and 392 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 1: seeing with regard to what kind of insight you can 393 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: give us to how those two cases are going. So 394 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: Tish James case is the laydown winner. You know, I 395 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: has I hasten to add there's no such thing as 396 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: a short thing. But given what Tish James has put 397 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: together in that mega indictment, and Donald Trump invoked his 398 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination to all of those questions, 399 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 1: he loses, and he loses big. That is a case 400 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: that almost cannot be lost by Tish James's team. But 401 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: all that does, it doesn't put anybody in prison. It 402 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: basically takes it so they can't be businesspeople in New 403 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: York anymore, and they're gonna end up having to pay 404 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: about a quarter of a billion dollars for the fraud 405 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: that they've been engaged in. That's great, and let's hope 406 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: that that adds fuel to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office 407 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: investigation of Donald Trump for the crimes that he committed 408 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: together with Alan Weisselberg, who pleaded guilty to them, together 409 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: with the Trump organization who's going on trial for them. 410 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: Let's hope that that moves forward. Fannie Willis, I think 411 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: is kicking on all cylinders. I just think it's that's 412 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: a big case. It's taking a long time. I would 413 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: level some of the same criticisms that when you have 414 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: the part of the crime caught on tape, find me 415 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: eleven votes and corruptly declare me the winner. What I 416 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: just said, Danielle constitutes the crime of soliciting election fraud 417 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: under the Georgia state laws. How about we get off 418 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: the dime. So I hope that one is coming to 419 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: fruition soon. The Department of Justice documents case, the insurrection case, 420 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: other charges. I don't know. What I have absolutely no 421 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: sense of right now is where there's the first indictment drop. 422 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: But what I am confident of is one it will drop, 423 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: and two then everybody's going to want to be the 424 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: second prosecutor to charge Donald Trump. Nobody is enthusiastic about 425 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: being the first. You know what, Before I let you go, 426 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: I do have one more question, and it is about 427 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court another judge that I believe needs to 428 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: be investigated, which is Clarence Thomas. The January sixth Committee 429 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: sat down with Jinny Thomas. Yeah, the wife of Clarence Thomas, 430 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: who still believes the election was stolen, says that, oh, 431 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with my husband, because apparently 432 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: Republicans and as well as her, think that we are stupid. 433 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: What do you make of what she shared? And what again, 434 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: any recourse that we have for judges with lifetime appointments 435 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: to never be held accountable, Because I got to tell you, 436 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: there's a reason why we have on the books you 437 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: can't testify against your spouse and these things. It's spousal communication. 438 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: I guess that still holds even when your wife is 439 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: working to overthrow democracy. Yeah, and you can't sit in 440 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: a case as a judge in which your wife has 441 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: an interest or is involved. Right, but Clarence Thomas did that. Yeah, 442 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: Jenny Thomas lot right. She testified falseley the election was stolen. 443 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: She's married to a judge. Sixty five judges, including Trump appointees, 444 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: said there's no evidence that the election was fraudulent. So 445 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: Jenny Thomas knows better than those sixty five judges, including 446 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: Trump appointees. It is such a transparent lie, and I 447 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: predict she will not be held accountable for it because 448 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: what would have to happen next is the Department of 449 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: Justice would have to take her transcript from her appearance 450 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: before the January sixth committee and begin investigating it for 451 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: potential false statements and violation of eighteen United States Code 452 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: one thousand and one. Even if you're not under oath, 453 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: if you make false statements to a congressional committee, it's 454 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: just like perjury. It's the same thing. It's called a 455 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: false statement, and I'm sure they could find any number 456 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: of lies. I mean, remember, this is a woman the 457 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: only reason she has that access to the Chief of 458 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: Staff to the President of the United States is because 459 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: she's married to Clarence Thomas, and she texted him that 460 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: one reason you must work to overturn the elections results, 461 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: mister Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows, is because right now 462 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: there are ballot fraudsters on barge's outside of Gitmo awaiting 463 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: their military tribunal for sedition. Therefore, you must overturn the 464 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: elections results. I wish I could have been the attorney 465 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: examining Jinny Thomas about that factual assertion that she made 466 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: in support of her requests that the results be overturned. 467 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: It is such unbelievable horseshit, It just is. Will she 468 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: be held accountable? Will Clarence Thomas be investigated for his 469 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: conflicts of interest? Will anything change with respect to life 470 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: tenure or any sort of ethical rules being adopted to 471 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 1: govern what is a runaway, relying, illegitimate Supreme Court. I 472 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: don't know. I hope so, but I don't know. I 473 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: tell you, you know, if you don't get to the 474 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: root of the root and the core of the core, 475 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how you clean out the rot. That's 476 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: all I have to say. I really don't. And you know, 477 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,959 Speaker 1: barring the dropping of the indictments that you say, you 478 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: know you believe are coming, but we don't know when, 479 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: and we don't know who. I'm telling you, I'm at 480 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: this point I don't know if it will be enough, 481 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: because that's how rotten to the core our agencies have become, 482 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: and these rules that we have in place that only 483 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 1: half of the country is following. So I honestly I 484 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: don't know. As always, Glenn Kirshner, I appreciate your time, 485 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: your analysis, and your passion. Thank you so much for 486 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: making the time for us. I'm okay if we always 487 00:32:51,640 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: appreciate you. I'll see you next week, Danielle. That is 488 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: it for me today. Dear friends on Woke f as always, 489 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 490 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.