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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. You guys know

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Speaker 1: the drill. We come to you every Wednesday, but this

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Speaker 1: week it's a special occasion for the pod. We just

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Speaker 1: went over two million downloads and I can't thank all

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Speaker 1: that happened. I'm still blown away that I do a

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Speaker 1: just it's mind boggling to me. But the support and

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Speaker 1: when I'm on the road and when I see people

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Speaker 1: at tournaments, they'll come up and say, hey, big fan

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Speaker 1: of the pod. So thank each and every one of

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Speaker 1: you for listening. And given that it's a big week

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Speaker 1: for the pod, I figured we'd get a big guest on.

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Speaker 1: Victor Hovelin is our guest this week. World number four,

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Speaker 1: the reigning FedEx Cup champion, and I think Vics easily

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Speaker 1: one of the top five best players in the game

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Speaker 1: of golf. He has big time game. I think there

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Speaker 1: are majors in his future, and I think there were

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Speaker 1: multiple majors possibly in his future. I think he is

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Speaker 1: And it was incredibly cool for me to be able

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Speaker 1: pick his brain about the way he plays, about how

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Speaker 1: he goes about playing. I love Vic's attitude. He's always smiling,

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Speaker 1: he's always laughing. We talk about the Ryder Cup, we

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Speaker 1: talk about you know, where golf is, professional golf is

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. But really, I think if you

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Speaker 1: get an opportunity to sit down and talk to a

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Speaker 1: player who, like I said, I think he's one of

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Speaker 1: how good he is. So a very very cool interview

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Speaker 1: with Vic that's coming up. But before we get to

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Speaker 1: that interview, let's take a moment to thank our friends

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Speaker 1: it out. So now let's get to a very very

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Speaker 1: cool interview with Like I said, he's one of the

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Speaker 1: best players in the game, he's a fan favorite, and

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Speaker 1: big things are going to continue to happen to Victor Hovlin.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen, Vick, you had a unbelievable year in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. I think the stat that jumps out

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Speaker 1: no missed cuts. How have you managed since you've turned pro.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've really become one of the most consistent

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Speaker 1: is it something that you're trying to do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean obviously I value consistency a lot. Obviously

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Speaker 2: you want to win tournaments, and I think professional golf

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Speaker 2: But I think it's just a lot more, a lot

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Speaker 2: less stressful if I show up every week just knowing that, Okay,

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Speaker 2: my game's in a good spot. And I think the

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Speaker 2: fact that my short game improved so much last year,

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Speaker 2: not playing maybe as risky as I did when I

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Speaker 1: That that it's an art to learning on tour when

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Speaker 1: really it's not the right play. So you said you

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Speaker 1: learned that. You know, you've been on tour now three

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Speaker 1: four years, you're learning how to play. But when you

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Speaker 1: Everyone watching professional golf and everyone trying to get to

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Speaker 1: really is an art to playing professional golf. It's just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I definitely had to learn it in the

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Speaker 2: hard way. I think some of it is sometimes I'll

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Speaker 2: I think it's fun. But there is like I've gotten

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Speaker 1: A likely and the percentages the game is because the

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Speaker 1: game poker. It's interesting that I'd heard that you had

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Speaker 2: But then when you start delving deeper into the stats

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Speaker 2: He's really helped me just kind of put things into

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Speaker 2: I think just in the whole, it's the more information

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Speaker 1: Obviously, I work with two guys, you know, Brooks and

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Speaker 1: tournaments and the majors, it becomes more heightened. But what

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Speaker 1: What are the things that you're looking at when you

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Speaker 1: look at a golf course and you say, okay, even

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Speaker 1: if you played that golf course before, you're going out

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Speaker 1: there in the practice ones and the conversations between you

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Speaker 1: and Shae are okay, obviously, what we're gonna hit off

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He he's a very like I consider him a

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Speaker 2: really good friend of mine. But he's also very very professional.

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Speaker 2: He goes out there early and walks the walks, the chorus,

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Speaker 2: and he does a very just puts a lot of

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Speaker 2: and then it just becomes a discussion of Okay, I

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Speaker 1: When you look at golf courses fit on tour. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I will say the last few months, I haven't

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Speaker 2: birdie or at least a par So I now need

430
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Speaker 2: to make a birdie to beat him or to tie him.

431
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Speaker 2: It's not like, oh, he's gonna give it away now,

432
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: So I might do it somewhere else, but not off

433
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Speaker 2: the tee.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned we've been talking about something that you have

435
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 1: tremendous confidence in your driver. By your own admission, when

436
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: you turned pro, the short game was I mean, it

437
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: was a liability and it wasn't it was something that

438
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: everybody could see. You could see it. You had even

439
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Speaker 1: when you won in Puerto Rico you laid the sawd

440
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Speaker 1: over one a pretty easy one too. How nervous when

441
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Speaker 1: you before you last year the work you did with

442
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Speaker 1: Joe Mayo, the chipping and stuff. But before that, how

443
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Speaker 1: how nervous is as one of the best players in

444
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Speaker 1: the world, would you get over a chip shot. And

445
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Speaker 1: what were the ones that made you the most? Were

446
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Speaker 1: they the easy ones that made you the most nervous,

447
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: or they were they were the tough ones.

448
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Speaker 2: Well, it's like I never I knew I didn't have

449
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 2: a great short game, but in college I thought it

450
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Speaker 2: was it was O K.

451
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Speaker 1: You realize how bad you're Yeah, pretty much.

452
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Speaker 2: But I never had like the yips or I'm like,

453
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Speaker 2: oh my god, I don't know how this is gonna go.

454
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Speaker 2: It's just like, ah, this is a hard shot. It's

455
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Speaker 2: into the grain. So usually when I was into the

456
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: grain and and I had to elevated and stop it quickly,

457
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Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, this is impossible, you.

458
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: Know, unless you hit the flop. Yeah, exactly, and then

459
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: you're bringing danger and double body into play.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'd be like, okay, well my reasoning was,

461
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: and I would tell the guys on the team It's like, yeah,

462
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: that was a bad chip, but it was bad that

463
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Speaker 2: I even ended up here. So I'm just gonna go

464
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Speaker 2: to the range instead of figuring this out, you know.

465
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Speaker 1: And so you your your mentality was a lot like

466
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Speaker 1: a lot of junior golfers, and I'll I'll just basically

467
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Speaker 1: I'm bad at this, so I'll just go make what

468
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm good at even better.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

470
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Speaker 1: The problem is, I think that works up until a

471
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: certain level, until you get on tour and then you

472
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Speaker 1: see the short games of the guys like Patrick Reid,

473
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: of the guys of the wedge players, guys like Jason Day,

474
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Speaker 1: the really really classy, I mean jordan' spiece's short games

475
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: feel pretty filthy around the greens. JT's become a great

476
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: wedge player. So what did you learn and what has

477
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: been the fix that that has really helped you? Because

478
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm watching you on the second group out

479
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: at the Ryder Cup. You chip one in from fifty feet.

480
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Speaker 1: I'm down on the first hole. We hear the roar.

481
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, I guarantee you VIX chipped this in, Garrett,

482
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Speaker 1: and then they showed it on the screen. You chipped

483
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Speaker 1: in fifty but that was a shot two years ago.

484
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: You didn't know how to hit from that position. So everybody,

485
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, you can go back. But okay,

486
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Speaker 1: you've missed the green. You're just off the green on

487
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: the first hole at Marcos Simoni, it's like fifty feet.

488
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: You've got to go over some rough and then you've

489
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Speaker 1: got it's a little bit down the slope. You've got

490
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Speaker 1: to stop it. I said two three years ago, you

491
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Speaker 1: you didn't have that start. So before in that situation,

492
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: what would you have been trying to do? And I

493
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Speaker 1: guarantee you in the situation that you're in, you're like,

494
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: I can make this. Yeah, So what would you have

495
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: been thinking before over a chip shot like the one

496
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Speaker 1: in the first hole at the Ryder cop you and

497
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Speaker 1: Ludwig you first, your second group out. It's early. You

498
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: guys know you can set the tone in the past.

499
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Speaker 1: What type of shot would you have hit? And what

500
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Speaker 1: type of shot did you hit when you hooped it?

501
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I would have grabbed the putter right away,

502
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: And to be honest, I think most guys would have

503
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: pulled putter there. I don't think it's a bad play

504
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: because I think consistently you're probably gonna hit it to

505
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Speaker 2: ten feet and I would have just given loving the

506
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Speaker 2: ten footer for par there. But I just I just

507
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: saw it, Okay, if I can chip this, hit a

508
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 2: low kind of bump into the slope that I had

509
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: in front of me, and then check it was gonna

510
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: have less speed going down the hill than it would

511
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: if I putted it. So I figured, okay, if I

512
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: chip it and hit a good shot, now I can

513
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: suddenly hit it, you know, I can maybe stop it

514
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: close to the hole. And as it came off the face,

515
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: it did exactly what I wanted it to do, came

516
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: out a little well skipped and checked.

517
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Speaker 1: When did you know it was? When did you think

518
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: you'd made it?

519
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: Well, as it was going down the hill, I thought

520
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: it was a pretty nice shot. I'm like, okay, this

521
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: this couldn be good. And then it's just started. It

522
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: kept breaking and kept breaking and kept breaking, and I

523
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: wasn't even thinking. I just reacted to it and I

524
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 2: started walking when it was probably the six seven eight

525
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 2: nine feet out, and when it went in, it was,

526
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Speaker 2: uh yeah, it was just like wow, what just happened?

527
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Speaker 1: As there were roars in golf. There are roars at majors,

528
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Speaker 1: you know the type of there's a Tiger roar. You know,

529
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Speaker 1: when Tiger's doing something, you can you kind of know

530
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: when Rory's on the course and he's starting to go,

531
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: you can hear it. But then there are roars in

532
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup, and then there are the noise the

533
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: crowd makes when you're playing in Europe as a European

534
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: the sound was unbelievable. And then the sound from the

535
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: first t where everybody went nuts too. Now the Ryder Cup,

536
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: your first one was it whistling straights. It wasn't great

537
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: for the European side. You didn't win any your matches.

538
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: You go three to one and one at at marcos Amoni.

539
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: What was the difference and how were those experiences different

540
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: for you?

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously being a rookie and with a whistling straits,

542
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: it was tough. We didn't have any European fans there

543
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: because of COVID and uh being in the United States.

544
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 2: It was It was definitely a daunting task. And I

545
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: think because I had some holes in my game, meaning

546
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: a short game. My ball striking was very good that week.

547
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: But you're just not gonna win miss greens. Yeah, you're

548
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: gonna miss greens. And you're just not gonna win matches

549
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: in four balls or even for sums if you're not

550
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: making putts and making easy up and downs. And I

551
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: think when you're just in that setting where your anxiety

552
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: or you're super nervous in that moment and you have

553
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: holes in your game. They there's nowhere to hide. And

554
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: I think you're just going into an event like that

555
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 2: not as confident, or you're not the best version of yourself.

556
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: And I think at Marcus Simone, I just won the

557
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: FedEx Cup, I know three times.

558
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: You had an unbelievable year. So the confidence level going in,

559
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: you know a little bit more what to expect for

560
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: everyone listening. Everybody talks about the Ryder Cup the pressure.

561
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: But.

562
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: Just as a coach, it's heightened. You can feel it.

563
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: You can you can feel that it's different you as

564
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: a player. When you got into the first Ryder Cup

565
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: at Whistling Straight, when did you kind of go, okay, wow,

566
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: this is this is different, I mean the and it

567
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: is a different type of pressure too, because normally you're

568
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: just playing for yourself. All of a sudden, you know,

569
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: for the first couple of days, You've got a partner

570
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: now and you've got to think about I don't want

571
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: to leave this guy ten feet and stuff like that.

572
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: So the first year versus the second year, you're it

573
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: is a little bit more, okay, I know a little

574
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: bit more of what to expect. I thought that that

575
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: Hazel team was going to be the breakout for you.

576
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: I just thought everything you've done up to that point,

577
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: I was like, this is going to be kind of

578
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: the coming out for you, because we see that every

579
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: two years there's someone in a Ryder Cup that steps

580
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: up and everybody goes, wow, we look at him differently. Now.

581
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: I think the performance you had at at in Rome

582
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: this this year has been that moment for you. You

583
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: were one of the guys that were It was you,

584
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: It was Rory, it was Tommy, but you were one

585
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: of the guys that they John Rahm was one. You were.

586
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: Every team has those four to three guys that everybody

587
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: on the team knows that they expect points from, you know,

588
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: the media of the press. I mean, was it somewhat

589
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: liberating and freeing you going into Marcus Simoni going okay,

590
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm top three in the world right now. There are

591
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: no real better players in the world than me. We're

592
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: playing in Europe now, now I can kind of almost

593
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: kind of show off how good I am, as opposed

594
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Speaker 1: to go, okay, let me just kind of see how

595
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: this week goes.

596
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was more as you explained, like because of

597
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: that confidence, I'm stepping up on that first d and

598
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: thinking instead of oh, I better not mess up or

599
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: just try to make a decent swing at it, don't

600
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: do this, don't do that, It's more like, Okay, let's

601
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: enjoy this and let's show off kind of the things

602
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: that I've been working on this year, and let me

603
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: prove myself the level of play that I can show

604
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna do it right now. So it was

605
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: more just like I was so much more at ease.

606
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: I was confident, I was enjoying the moment a lot more,

607
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: whereas as Whistling Straits, I knew I had some holes

608
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: in there and all the people that are there are

609
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: rooting for you to mess up. So it's like it's

610
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: it's just tough to get over that. It's not impossible,

611
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: because I think some guys really like that pressure. But

612
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: you've got to have the foundations to back that up.

613
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: You can't just be Okay, I'm gonna show you and

614
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: really believe it if you don't have the skill sets

615
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: to back it up. And I just didn't think I

616
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: had it at the time. So that was really nice

617
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: to to kind of prove that.

618
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: In Roam this summer, you played two of the matches

619
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: with ludvig Olberg. How good do you think this kid

620
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: can be? Because I mean, I he I watched a

621
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: lot of his match I was doing some TV and

622
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: then he played Brooks on Sunday. And even though Brooks,

623
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, beat him, he he has a he has

624
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: a toolbox that looks fairly full in what he can

625
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: and can't do.

626
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. We I mean we talked about driving earlier on

627
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: in the in the in the in the talk here,

628
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: and yeah, he he's like he hits it pretty far,

629
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: hits it pretty high, and just does the same thing

630
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: on repeat. It seemed like I haven't played with him

631
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: that much since, but in Rome it was Yeah, even

632
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: in the practice round, No, he didn't. And that's what's Uh,

633
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 2: It's pretty impressive and pretty cool to watch. But at

634
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: the same time you can still see that there's and

635
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: I don't mean this disrespective, but like he's got clear

636
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: improvements in his game.

637
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Peter Hanson, who's his coach, who played on the European

638
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: Tour for a long time, played in a Ryder Cup.

639
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: He was at the Ryder Cup the Miracle at Medina.

640
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: He was walking the eighteen the last round where Brooks

641
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: was playing Ludwig and we were talking, we were walking

642
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: inside the ropes and he was like, listen, man, this

643
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: kid has a lot to learn. Yeh, you're watching him

644
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: and you're seeing how much success he's had that week.

645
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: But I think that just goes to show that for

646
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: someone like you, you know how good you have to be,

647
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: you know how consistent you have to be, and you

648
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: yourself have turned pro knowing that you had some holes

649
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: in your game which you fixed, and you know what

650
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: are the I guess how does he go about getting better?

651
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: And I think everybody's trying to get better? How do

652
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: you go about getting better as a player and say, Okay,

653
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: I've got to try and improve this part, but it

654
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: can't take away from things that have made me get

655
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: here and made me a dominant player.

656
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's hard for me to kind of

657
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: evaluate his game when I haven't seen it. You need

658
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 2: a bigger sample size to really read into this year.

659
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: I think we'll get a better idea of where we

660
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: think he's going to be in three to five years.

661
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: But I'd say playing with him in the Ryder Cup, now,

662
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: the greens were a little bit slower in Marcus Simone,

663
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: but I'd say, you know, when you were a little

664
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: bit nervous and those lag puts. The speed probably needs

665
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: to get a little bit better, and there's probably some

666
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: like decision making stuff kind of like what I did

667
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: when I first came out on tour. I'm firing at

668
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: some pins and not don't really know what side to

669
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: miss it on, and I would miss it on some

670
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 2: sides that are just death.

671
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: You can't make it. You just you're getting over to

672
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: that situation and you're like, I cannot make.

673
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: Bubb from here, yeah exactly. And we're all like, we're

674
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: all gonna hit bad shots. Were hitting bad shots is fine,

675
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: but there are some some places where you can't hit

676
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: a bad shot and miss it there, you know.

677
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: So because you're gonna struggle to make a bogey.

678
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: Exactly, Whereas like there's some And that's one of the

679
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 2: things that I think I improved on a lot last year.

680
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: I would have nice tournaments where for nine holes straight,

681
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I hit a single good shot,

682
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: but I would still get around and even par one

683
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: under par because I just missed into right spots. I

684
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 2: would make it easy up and down, and then maybe

685
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: on a par five I would wedge it close and

686
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: make the.

687
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: Pot with your type of game, bick with the weapon

688
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: you have with the driver, how straight you can hit

689
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: the how far you can hit the driver? And ball

690
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: striking is one of your calling cards. You know now

691
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: that Okay, I don't necessarily have to play that. I mean,

692
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: is it that you realize now, I don't have to

693
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: play that great all the time. If I can just

694
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: tread water, I've got my par fives that I can

695
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: take advantage of. And over four days, I'm going to

696
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: have a day where if my ball striking is the

697
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: way it normally is, I'm gonna have that day. And

698
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: you do that. That's one of the things I love

699
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: about your game is you are every single week you're

700
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: gonna have that round where it's like it's almost like

701
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: you can bank on it. You're gonna shoot sixty five

702
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: one of the days of the three days. And one

703
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: of the things I really like about your game, Vic,

704
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: and I think one of the reasons why you've been

705
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: so consistent is you have that Saturday round where you're

706
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: not afraid to go, Okay, let me go shoot sixty

707
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: four on Saturday now and get myself into one of

708
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: these life that is you do it a lot, and

709
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you that is not normal for rookies

710
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: and guys that are this new you have that knack

711
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: on Saturday to be one of those guys that just

712
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: goes okay, you know, I'm gonna shoot sixty four sixty

713
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: six on the weekend and see where it goes. That's

714
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: an art and that's something that not a lot of

715
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: players can do all the time.

716
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a that's a good thing you're

717
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: touching on there, because I definitely would psych myself out

718
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: a little bit when I first came out. Is that

719
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: you have an afternoon tea time and then you see

720
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: Thursday morning, some guy posts sixty four and now the

721
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: wind starts blowing in the afternoon and you're like, man,

722
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: I'm one under part. I'm kind of playing nice. I'm

723
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: not making too many putts, but I'm seven shots back.

724
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: So instead of before then you can press yeah, and

725
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: then your shirtsire yourself and you make it a dumb

726
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 2: bogie you would never make, and now you're eight shots back,

727
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 2: and it's like, this is a seventy two whole tournament.

728
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: The chance of this guy shooting sixty four to the

729
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: first round the chances of him winning maybe on Sunday

730
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 2: is you know, not as high as you would think.

731
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: And if he.

732
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: Shoots four rounds in the sixties, you say, yeah, it

733
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: was your week. You shoot four rounds in the sixties

734
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: round here, you're probably gonna win.

735
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But I think the mindset then turn into

736
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: especially when I was playing better and just getting more experience,

737
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 2: It's funny how you think better when you play better.

738
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: It helps, it helps, But isn't that interesting thing that

739
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: when you're playing and you're not the first player that

740
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: has ever said that when you're playing bad, your decision

741
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: making process is always terrible, right, It's very rarely when

742
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: you're playing bad or you making really good, smart, clear

743
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: focused decisions on the golf course, and when you are

744
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: playing great and you have a chance to win tournaments,

745
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: when the pressure is the most. It seems to me,

746
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: as an outsider looking in, that's when I've watched some

747
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: of the players I've been lucky enough to work with.

748
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: It's like when the when the when the mindset is

749
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: the clearest and the decision making process is the best,

750
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: and you would think that it would just be so yeah,

751
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: oh yeah, obviously, let me just think good when I'm

752
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: playing bad, and it'll just solve everything. But it's hard

753
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: to do that, right.

754
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just I think a lot of

755
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: it comes back to just the confidence that you have inside.

756
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 2: It's like you know that, oh, I just double cross

757
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: this driver and I'm making a double bogie here. That's

758
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: gonna piss you off more than if you're playing sweet,

759
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: because you know you can. You can make that ground up.

760
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 2: So you're gonna handle the bad shot a lot better

761
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: and you're gonna make better decisions because you know it's

762
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: the right play and you know that, Okay, I'm playing nice,

763
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: the right play to this hole is not to go

764
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: at the pen. I need to hit it to thirty

765
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: feet and then par is a good score and I

766
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: can actually make that thirty flitter. Sometimes if you're if

767
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: you have momentum, you feel good, you have good speed

768
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: on the greens, you can make that thirty flitter. You

769
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: turn night into a birdie and now it's just game on.

770
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: Whereas you make that double bogie, now you're pissed off.

771
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: The next hole, you know it's middle of the green,

772
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: you go for it, You short side yourself, and now

773
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: you're even more pissed. So it's like, I think it

774
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: comes down to just a confidence in your game if

775
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: you know that. Okay, I'm yeah, this was one bad

776
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: hole out of the seventy two holes. It's gonna sting.

777
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: You can't get that, you can't get those shots back.

778
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: But at least let's get right on track on the

779
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: next shot, and let's make a good swing and a

780
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 2: good decision, and let's just get this roundback on track,

781
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: and then maybe on Sunday at the end, maybe you

782
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: have a chance to win. And I mean, I just

783
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 2: think back to when we played the WGC in where

784
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: was it in in Florida? That one COVID year we're

785
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: calling one concession is a concession. Yeah, And I made

786
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: a quad on the last hole on on Saturday. I

787
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: think I was in like fourth or fifth place and

788
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: made a quad the last hole, and yeah, it was

789
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: way way out of it. But then I played really

790
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: nice on Saturday and even Sunday and finished second. So

791
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: it's like you could easily just let that whole ruin

792
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: your whole week and that was that was that term.

793
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: And I did so well for so long and then

794
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 2: you make a couple of bad decisions and you're out

795
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: of it. But because that felt good with my game,

796
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: I kept on pushing and just made a lot of

797
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: berties and then on Sunday, actually I think I was

798
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: ty for the lead there with a few holes to go.

799
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: So it's just it's hard to think that way in

800
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: the moment, but when you look back on it, you're like, man,

801
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: I had a good chance to win even with that quad.

802
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: So it's like you're never completely out of it, if

803
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: you know, if you keep playing well and make good decisions.

804
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: The other thing I love about the way you approach golf,

805
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: but also the way you approach life. You're always smiling

806
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: on the golf course. You seem to have a very

807
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: very positive attitude, seem to be able to let things

808
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: kind of not outwardly like I've never seen you throw

809
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: a club or break a club or kick your bag

810
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I know that bad shots affect you,

811
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: but the mental ass the attitude that you have on

812
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: the golf course, how did you have You always had

813
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: that because you always seem to be one that you're

814
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: always smiling on the driving range, You're always smiling after

815
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: the rounds. It doesn't really regardless of what you shoot.

816
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: You always seem outwardly to be in a good mood.

817
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: And I think the thing I love most about your

818
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: attitude on the golf course is when you make bad swings, stuff,

819
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: you laugh a lot. You're kind of like, there's a

820
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: bad shot, You're you're human and stuff. Have you always

821
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: been able to kind of have that type of attitude

822
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: on the golf course?

823
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: Uh, well, I'd say I probably got you fooled a

824
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: little bit, but well it's just like, yeah.

825
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: But I think that's a huge thing, Victor. You have

826
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: people fooled. So that listen, if you're playing with somebody

827
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: and you're you're in a you're you're coming down to

828
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: stretch and you can see them getting more and more agitated,

829
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: and you can see, you know, we've all seen, you know,

830
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: last week was you know, a great example in LA

831
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: At one point right around that when the leaders made

832
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: the tour, there were five guys sided for the lead,

833
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: right everybody was all of a sudden tied for the lead.

834
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: And three holes later, three of the guys that were

835
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: tied for the lead look like they're shooting ninety and

836
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: their heads down and they're throwing clubs and stuff like that,

837
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: and so I think it's a positive that outwardly your

838
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: opponents don't see that you're getting down on yourself.

839
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it just I guess I'm not super

840
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: proud of how I reacted in kind of recent tournaments

841
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: because my swing hasn't kind of been where I wanted,

842
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: and it's it's so frustrating for me because like competing

843
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: and playing and winning, that's fun, but I think it's

844
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: more fun actually hitting the shots that I want to

845
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: just the mastery of the game itself. And it pisses

846
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: me off when I try to hit a certain shot

847
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: and I'm not accomplishing it, So that really just makes

848
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: me mad. So I could be really mad at home

849
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: practicing just out on the golf course, and if I'm

850
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: trying to hit a certain shot and I can't hit it,

851
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: that just irks me. So that will get me really

852
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: really mad. And sometimes I'm in that situation out of

853
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: the tournament, and I'll react that way. I'll react in

854
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: a poor way. But I think it's easier for me

855
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: to like And I've told multiple people to explain kind

856
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: of how my mind works, and I know it doesn't

857
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: maybe make that much sense, but when I'm in a tournament.

858
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: Obviously the score is what matters. But I would much

859
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: rather shoot seventy three and make two double bogies. And

860
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 2: the two double bogies that I made were perfect swings.

861
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: It was the shot that I wanted to hit, but

862
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: it was the wrong club where I got a bad bounce,

863
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: went over the green or hit or sprinkler head. And

864
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: when ob or whatever it might be, I'd rather take

865
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: the seventy three or seventy four doing that than shooting

866
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: sixty nine and not hit a single good shot and

867
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: just really hacked it around, because that doesn't give me

868
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: a lot of confidence even though.

869
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: You know, the sixty nine still counts, right, it does

870
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: at the end of the week, I know you still

871
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: got you even if you shoot sixty nine of the

872
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: bass truck's bad back, you still get to take the score.

873
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: I know. But it's like, that's just kind of how

874
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 2: my mind works, and i'd like to that's why you're good. Yeah.

875
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: So so then when I'm playing well and I'm making

876
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: a mistake, Yeah, it pisses me off in the moment

877
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: because I know how valuable those shots are. But at

878
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 2: the same time, I can I can look back and Okay,

879
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: that was just a bad club I miss, I misjudged

880
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: the wind or whatever it might be. It was just

881
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: a bad, bad swing at the wrong time. But I

882
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 2: know that my fundamentals and what I'm doing right now

883
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: is good, and I'm probably gonna play good tomorrow because

884
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: i know the fundamentals are good. But it's like, yeah,

885
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: I shot even last LA. Last week, I finished nineteenth

886
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: and I shot under par every single round, but it

887
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: wasn't good. Like I didn't hit it very good. So

888
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: that doesn't give me a lot of confidence. Now I'll

889
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: turn that into a positive thing that, Okay, I hit

890
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: it awful the whole week. I didn't play well at all,

891
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 2: but I still finished top twenty at a hard golf

892
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: course among some of the best players in the world.

893
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: So I'll turn that into a positive. But I'm not

894
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 2: going to trick myself into thinking, oh, I'm playing well,

895
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: It's all good. No, I got to get to home

896
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: and get back to work.

897
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: Second it the PGA last year, you were in the

898
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: last group with Brooks Majors. Obviously, when you get to

899
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: a stage that you're at, you've been on a winning

900
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup team, you've won the FedEx, you've won PGA

901
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: Tour events, You've won on the DP World Tour, You've

902
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: won on an iconic golf courses. You won in Dubai,

903
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: you won Jack's Place. What'd you learn from the final

904
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: round of Sunday at Oakhill Because you didn't play that's

905
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: one of those rounds you didn't shoot. You didn't go

906
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: out and shoot seventy five seventy seven and lose it.

907
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: You shot in the sixties, didn't get it done. Did

908
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: you learn anything that day from that experience?

909
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a good segue as to what I

910
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: was talking about. Yeah, because just before, because I was

911
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: really proud of myself how I handled going up against

912
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: now a five time major champion Brooks and on Sunday.

913
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 2: You know, he he's got the intimidation factor and.

914
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: What is the intimidation factor that he has the fact

915
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: that he's you know, he's won four majors.

916
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's been in that situation before and he

917
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: doesn't really back out. You know, he's gonna show up

918
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: and play well. Obviously, his demeanor a big guy, doesn't

919
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: talk too much. He's not going to be out Sir Miles. Yeah,

920
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: it hits so far. So you just like you know

921
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: that he's not gonna he's pulling.

922
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: On the golf course. The way he plays golf is

923
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: very much he's gonna beat the golf course down. Like

924
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: you said, he doesn't talk to anybody, and I respect that.

925
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: I think that's cool. And I really enjoyed just going

926
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: up against him and playing against him, and I knew

927
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: that my game's good enough to beat him, and I

928
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: really felt like I did a good job. Now, the

929
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: bunker situation on sixteen, that's one of those things where okay,

930
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: I made a double bogie there, but yeah, it wasn't

931
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: the best drive, but it was just one of those moments.

932
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: It was the wrong shot at the wrong time, and

933
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: I got, what were you saying?

934
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: So in that moment, give me the yardage that you had.

935
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't remember all the specifics, but you probably guys.

936
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's probably in the one.

937
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: I think it was one one sixty yards. Ye, it

938
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 2: was on the downs right, Yeah, So.

939
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: Did it look like you could clear the lip? And

940
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: what club did you did you were you in between

941
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: clubs or did the first club you pulled in that

942
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: situation you went, okay, this is the one.

943
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been closer one sixty five because

944
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: I was in between a nine and eight, but I

945
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: figured the pins slightly further back. I'm just gonna hit

946
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: the nine, keep it a little bit short, and that's

947
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: obviously gonna help me clear the lip. Now it's on

948
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: a downslope. The lie wasn't all that great, so my

949
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: thoughts are, okay, well, I got to make sure I

950
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: hit the ball first, so I just guarantee contact or

951
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: else the nine is just not going to get there.

952
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: And obviously it's on the downslope. So when I catch

953
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: ball first, I catch it slightly thin and it just

954
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: doesn't come out. And you know that that happens most

955
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: of the time. It either hits the lip of the

956
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: bunker and comes out, or worst case, it stays in

957
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: the bunker. But now hopefully I have a better lie.

958
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: But it ended up being plugged in there, and now

959
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: I got to take an unplayable and now I still

960
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: got a layup from there. So it was just a

961
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: bad break. And yeah, you don't like hindsight.

962
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: Do you take wedge and just chip it up?

963
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: No?

964
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: No, it was just so if you had it to

965
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: do over again, you choose the same club, which I listen.

966
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: I love the fact that it's always easy to second

967
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: guess it, right, it's always easy to go that. But

968
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you're saying, hey, I do

969
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: it again, and I just execute better.

970
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, I mean I just still think back

971
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: to how I played before that. Now, I wouldn't say

972
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 2: I if I would have made a couple more putts

973
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: like Brooks had has putter going really nicely.

974
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: Thirteen from far from twelve feet, it was big down

975
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: the hill on a par five. The last thing you

976
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: want to do is make bogie there, go on the

977
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: driveable par four on the next one.

978
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

979
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: When you play a golf course like that, I mean

980
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: that's a hard, kind of old school Northeast golf course.

981
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: You know, the golf course isn't going to give you

982
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: a lot. So when you're going out on a Sunday

983
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: in the last group in a major on a hard

984
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: golf course like that, the mindset is, Okay, these are

985
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: the holes that I feel like I have to take

986
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: advantage of. These are the holes or the stretch of

987
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: holes where hey, if I can just get through these

988
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: with pars hang on, is that what you're thinking?

989
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: Kind of? But it's also because when you don't make

990
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: birdie on the easier holes out there, that could kind

991
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: of stress you out a little bit. And that's where

992
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: I think the confidence comes in with your ball striking

993
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: that okay, I can hit the shots, and even on

994
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: the hardest shot, hardest holes on the golf course, you can.

995
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: You can hit two nice shots and give yourself a

996
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 2: birdie look and maybe sneak in a birdie where most

997
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: guys are making bogies, and that's when you could really

998
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: that's how you're going to win tournaments. You know you're

999
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: not going to do that consistently, but you make birdie

1000
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: on the easier holes and make a lot of pars

1001
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 2: on the tougher ones. That's kind of how you want

1002
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: it to set up. But if you want to separate

1003
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: yourself and win the major champions ships, sometimes you have

1004
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: to birdy the hard holes as well, and that that

1005
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: entails you know, having a four RN into part three

1006
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: even to stand up and hit and just stuff that.

1007
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: I think every.

1008
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: Tournament, especially the bigger the tournament, the bigger the golf course,

1009
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: there's always that moment to where it if you're watching,

1010
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: but for you, for us, for all of us on

1011
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: the inner workings of it. You're like, Okay, you just

1012
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: got to stand up and hit a good shot here.

1013
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: I had Matthew Bavon on the Pody. He was talking

1014
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: about that at Tory Pines. You go to toy there's

1015
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: no bail out there. You know that if you want

1016
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: to win the golf tournament, you got to stand up

1017
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: and you just got to hit really good shots, and

1018
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: really good shots, like you said, sometimes are really good shots.

1019
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: It's a four iron from your over two hundred yards

1020
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: to twenty five thirty feet and that's a good shot.

1021
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: It's not the it's not the seven iron to three

1022
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: feet and everybody claps. Sometimes the great shots when you

1023
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: win these tournaments, or the ones that nobody really other

1024
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: than the people that you were playing with, or the

1025
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: really the people that are watching that are playing that

1026
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: are going he won the tournament by making par there,

1027
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: and everybody thinks he won the tournament by the two birdies.

1028
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: You're like, no, no, it was it was standing up

1029
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: hitting a really good drive here. Yeah, really get you

1030
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: had a chance. It's seventh at the Masters last year. Obviously,

1031
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: that's the first major of the year. It's at the

1032
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: same golf course every year. What do you like about

1033
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: Augusta's course, and how do you think Augusta plays well

1034
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: for your guys, Because I think it's a really good

1035
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: golf course for the way that you play with as

1036
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: high as you can hit the golf ball with as

1037
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: high as you can hit your irons. I just think

1038
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: Augusta is one of those places where you're going to

1039
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: be one of those players Vic that's always going to

1040
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: be a guy that is a threat around that golf course.

1041
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to think so.

1042
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: And I mean, you were low am there as an

1043
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: amateur when you were the Usam champion, so obviously I

1044
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: also think it's the type of golf course if you

1045
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: play well there as an amateur and you turn pro

1046
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: and you know that you're going to continue to play there,

1047
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: you've got to say, Okay, I got here and I

1048
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: really didn't know anything, and my game when I came

1049
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: here in twenty eighteen was much raw than it is now.

1050
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: So going into the first major of the year, when

1051
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: you get to a what do you like about that

1052
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: golf course and what do you think having played there

1053
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: and having had a top ten last year, what do

1054
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: you feel like you have to do well there for

1055
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: the week.

1056
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think it's really cool every time I

1057
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: show up there and you learn something new. There's so

1058
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: many slopes and undulations and where to miss it, where

1059
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: not to miss it. You always learn something and I

1060
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: think that's really cool. I think that's why it's so

1061
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: hard for first timers out there to do really really well,

1062
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: because there's so much experience that that leads to a

1063
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: huge advantage. And it is really really tough, especially certain

1064
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: pin locations and when the conditions, if there's win around there,

1065
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 2: it becomes very very difficult. But it's one of those

1066
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 2: places you don't have to be perfect. It's really hard,

1067
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: but you don't have to be perfect if you know

1068
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: where to miss it.

1069
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: And I think so many players there vic they do

1070
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: the Jedi mind trick on themselves there because they're trying

1071
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: to be so perfect that because you know that to

1072
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: win around there it does take historically some element of

1073
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: perfection or knowledge or something like that. But I think

1074
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing you say is sometimes you can get

1075
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: into trying to be so perfect, trying to you know,

1076
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: everybody knows, you know the seventh Green. There's places where

1077
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: they put that pin where you've got five yards a

1078
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: five yard square to land it, to get it close. Yeah,

1079
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: when they put that pin back right on six, you know,

1080
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: to get it close there there's a very small landing spot.

1081
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: But you're saying that maybe sometimes you try and become

1082
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: too perfect and you don't hit the right shot that

1083
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: you need to hit, and you didn't maybe need to

1084
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: be that perfect around Augusta.

1085
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: That was kind of the week. Joe Mayo was out

1086
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: there watching me, and he had watched me play all

1087
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 2: the termins that I played up to that point earlier

1088
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: in the year, and he kind of said it middle

1089
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: of the week that there's something wrong, like the strategy

1090
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 2: is wrong, and that was kind of the impetus to

1091
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 2: us talking deeper to Eduardo and figuring some more stats out.

1092
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: And it showed in the aftermath that with seven irons

1093
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: an inn, I was way too aggressive and I was

1094
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: short sighted myself over two times as much as a

1095
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: normal or the average iron player on tour, which I'm

1096
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: above average with my irons, so you would think I

1097
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: would short side myself less, but I short sighted myself

1098
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 2: two and a half times more, which that's that's hard

1099
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: to make up for, and especially at Masters or Augusta very.

1100
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: Not a lot of play system. There's no real stretches

1101
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: of that golf course other than the par fives where

1102
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: I would imagine as a player mentally, you're like, this

1103
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: is a birdie hole. Yeah, And once you get to

1104
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: the weekend, it feels like because of the weekend and Augusta,

1105
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: if you're kind of around the lead, I would imagine

1106
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: you feel like, Okay, I got a birdie two and

1107
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: then I've got a birdie sixteen, I've got a birdie thirteen,

1108
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: and I've got a birdie eight. Other than that, I'm

1109
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: basically just trying to hang on. But you are going

1110
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,479
Speaker 1: to get days vic where the weather's good, where maybe

1111
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: it's a little bit soft, and there is going to

1112
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: be that player that goes out under really good conditions

1113
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: and shoots six under seven under. But I think that

1114
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: golf course more than any because it's the same. There's

1115
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: it mind tricks you into going because you know where

1116
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: all the problems are. You've seen where everybody you know,

1117
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean nineteen, you know you got three groups, two groups,

1118
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 1: three players in a row, rinse it in the water

1119
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: and all make double bogin tiger hits. It left the

1120
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: aims left of the green, hits twenty feet and gets out.

1121
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: Do you think sometimes Augusta the way it's designed and

1122
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: the design of it. I mean Alistair McKenzie, the great designer.

1123
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: You know what his job was in the military, right

1124
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: I camouflage? Oh, camouflage the military. Somebody told me that

1125
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: once and I was living in Scotland. They're like, he

1126
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: he was an expert in camouflage. So if you think

1127
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: about if you look at most Alistair McKenzie, you go

1128
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: to the first hole at Augusta and stand and look back,

1129
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: you can never see any of the bunkers. Yeah, so

1130
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: when you're on the green and look back, you can't

1131
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: see where any of the bunkers are because of the

1132
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: way they're designed. So does Augusta mentally? Can it mentally

1133
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: get in your head because you're like, Okay, I'm not

1134
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: supposed to be under par because the golf course is

1135
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: so hard. If you make the turn in three four

1136
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: under and you get a good look at ten, you're like, okay,

1137
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: I can go to four or five under here, but

1138
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to be four or five under because

1139
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: the golf course is so hard.

1140
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: Uh. Not so much that way but it's more like, Okay,

1141
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: I'm just for example of the first round last year,

1142
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: I was seven hundred part through thirteen and I ended

1143
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: up shooting seven under par that first round. But I

1144
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 2: was doing things like number nine. The pen was all

1145
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: the way left, back left, and I'm on a slope

1146
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: that's you know, the ball's below my feet. And I

1147
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: also like to hit a cut. SHA's telling me it

1148
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: was a full nine iron. SHA's like I would just

1149
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: just hit it thirty feet right of the pin, and

1150
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm just like, no, no, no, I got this one. I

1151
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: hit a cut off the bunker, land it left of

1152
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: the pen and hit it to like two feet and

1153
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: Shash's laughing because like it was nice. I got to

1154
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: five under par after nine. But my point that it's

1155
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: no stupid.

1156
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: Nobody is thinking from that lie ball below your feet

1157
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: the back left pin because you put it in that bunker.

1158
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's bogey every time you could still be

1159
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: in there. Yeah.

1160
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: And then you're in that bunker and you're trying to

1161
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, if I can get this inside of

1162
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty feet, this is an unbelievable shot. Yeah, But

1163
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: that's I know. Shay's walking to the green looking at

1164
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: you going, and all of the veterans that would watch

1165
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: you hit that shot would just go, yeah, but is

1166
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: that a situation where the percentages your caddy sent but

1167
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: you just see the shot.

1168
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that was like that was kind of

1169
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: the impetus to that changing of strategy because I think

1170
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: it's like his borderline, right, Oh, it's it's way beyond

1171
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: reckless because I played with Tiger in that round and

1172
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: I remember I was, no.

1173
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: He's looking at you going, just put this ink twenty

1174
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: feet because there's never been a player and you've gotten

1175
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: to play with him a lot. And one of the

1176
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: other things that I wanted to ask you, I marvel

1177
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: at this and I asked Shay about this as well

1178
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: after the Ryder Cup. Very similar to Tiger. I've never

1179
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: seen a player hit the ball pin high or past

1180
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: the pin as much as you do, for as an

1181
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: elite of a player as you are. Tiger always you

1182
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: played a lot the guy don't sit the pin high

1183
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: all the time. And it's an art form, but at

1184
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: I noticed it a lot because I was doing TV

1185
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: at the Ryder Cup. You hit it pin high or

1186
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: one or two yards past the pin, so many times

1187
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: during the course of a round. It is that by design?

1188
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: Is that something that you're even conscious of.

1189
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: I'd say when I when I play my best golf

1190
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: with my irons, I have like because on the range

1191
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: you always just hit a full swing, just a normal

1192
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: full swing. But on the course you never have a

1193
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 2: perfect number. You always got to take a little bit

1194
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 2: off or hit it slightly harder. And when I play

1195
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: my best golf, I I have taken more club unless

1196
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: it's like a short pin and you got to stop

1197
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: the ball quickly. I take more club and hit like

1198
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 2: a three quarter punch shot, but it has enough spin

1199
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: on the ball to where it just launches slightly lower,

1200
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: it spins up in the air and I just have

1201
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: a lot of control with it that way. So to

1202
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 2: those back pin I can hit like a low six

1203
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: siron that lands twenty five feet short of it skips

1204
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,919
Speaker 2: up and just releases slightly instead of oh I got

1205
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: to hit a perfect seven iron to maybe get it

1206
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,919
Speaker 2: within twenty feet and then the bad swing or when

1207
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: it comes up it's probably thirty forty feet short and

1208
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 2: you're just always lag putting from there. So that's kind

1209
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: of a place where I would just take slightly more

1210
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: club and I would just be very comfortable with those

1211
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: three quarter shots and you can squeeze that into a

1212
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 2: lot of corners on the green instead of just Okay,

1213
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 2: well I don't have a perfect number, so I'm just

1214
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: gonna hit the full swing middle of the green. You

1215
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: kind of handcuff yourself that way.

1216
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: Tiger, you've won the hero twice. He's gotten to give

1217
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: you the trophy. That's the Tiger. But I would imagine,

1218
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: out of all the places, if you're gonna get paired

1219
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: with Tiger Woods, if you get paired with Tiger at Augusta,

1220
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: it's got to be really hard during the round to

1221
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: not be trying to like figure out, Okay, what's he doing?

1222
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the strategy? Or because I mean, he

1223
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: is such a savant genius, he's won so many times

1224
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: around that golf course. Is it hard when you when

1225
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: you're playing with Tiger and Augusta, did not watch him

1226
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: and not watch what he's doing.

1227
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: I'd say, Now, I've only played with him two times,

1228
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: but when I played with him there, obviously it was

1229
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 2: really cool. It was a cool place to play with

1230
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: him at. But I'm still a competitor and he's he's

1231
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 2: playing against me, so I'm gonna try to beat him,

1232
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 2: and so I don't pay too much attention. And I

1233
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: didn't want to be the guy that he does up

1234
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 2: and just like, yeah.

1235
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: That's Tony tried to talk. You've heard that story, right,

1236
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: I haven't. So Tony played a bunch of practice rounds

1237
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: with him and played a lot of rounds with him,

1238
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, obviously they're boys and stuff.

1239
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: But nineteen t Dove's in the last group, a chance

1240
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: to win, and Tony's trying to talk to him, like

1241
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: through a couple of rounds, and I've got to be

1242
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: honest with you, He's lucky. Tony's lucky that Stevie wasn't

1243
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: on about Kastevia would have ran him out earlier. But

1244
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: the difference between all of the sudden Tiger when he's

1245
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: in the hunt, like you said, you're a competitor, so

1246
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: you're not gonna fanboy and watch whatever. I mean, he

1247
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: is the ultimate. I mean, he not gonna watch what

1248
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: anybody else is doing. And you were born when in

1249
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: the year that he won the Masters for the first

1250
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: time in ninety seven, was he your idol growing up?

1251
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: Was was I mean, everybody I think of your age

1252
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: group idolizes him. But was he kind of the catalyst

1253
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: as to one of the reasons why you chose golf

1254
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: as a path for basically your entire life.

1255
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say so.

1256
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean did he get play in Norway? I mean

1257
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: Norway not a huge golf country. I mean Henrik Bjornstad

1258
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: one of the all time best European tour bear Town

1259
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: love him if you haven't watched he who's the other

1260
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: guy that does the commentary when you're winning golf tournaments?

1261
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: I mean, there should be an all alternative live feed

1262
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: every time you play competitive golf with the two Norwegian

1263
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: commentators because their enthusiasm for it. But was Tiger a

1264
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: big deal growing up in Norway?

1265
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people in Norway didn't really watch golf

1266
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 2: too much. There's a few people that would watch Henry

1267
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 2: dorn Stat as you mentioned when he was playing a

1268
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 2: few years ago. And you know the people that played

1269
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: and knew, they knew. But I'd say most other people,

1270
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, you play golf, I only know

1271
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods. So everyone knew who Tiger Woods was. And

1272
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: I just remember in high school and even before that,

1273
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 2: I would just when we had computers in class. I

1274
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: would just watch on YouTube, just Tiger Woods highlight reels

1275
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 2: and yeah, just getting like hairs on my back and just.

1276
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: Someone that watched that. I was lucky enough. You know,

1277
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: my dad started coaching him in ninety three. I took

1278
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: the first the video. You'll see some video of my

1279
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: dad with the straw hat on. Yeah, I took the

1280
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: I was running the video that day, so I was

1281
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: there that first day. Yeah. So you're of that generation

1282
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: that never really got to see him play play. Yeah,

1283
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: you watch it on YouTube. I say this to everybody.

1284
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: You're it, I promise you as good as you think

1285
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: it was, it was so much better. Yeah, he was

1286
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: so much better than we remember now. He just was amazing.

1287
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: Is it crazy to you to think now that when

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01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: you go back to Norway, surely you must get recognized

1289
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: now as an athlete, as someone who is doing great things.

1290
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: When you were growing up, you told people what you did,

1291
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: you were playing golf, and they're like, I don't know

1292
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: any golfers are just no tiger Woods. Now you are

1293
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: going to be someone that someone thirteen fourteen years old

1294
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: that wants to play golf is going to go I

1295
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: know Victor Hovlin, I mean does that I mean, and

1296
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: are you getting when you just got back? I know

1297
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: you went home over over Christmas and over the holidays.

1298
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: Do you get recognized now?

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01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say so, especially if I go to a

1300
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 2: golf course. That's that's really cool. Obviously the pandemic helped

1301
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:02,919
Speaker 2: people kind of get into golf a little bit more

1302
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 2: because it was a sport you can be outside and

1303
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: still be social and have fun. But definitely seems to

1304
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: like us Norwegian says people, we're kinda we're very patriotic

1305
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 2: when our countrymen do something good, like Magnus Carlson when

1306
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 2: he's I mean, when he beats everyone in chess, everyone

1307
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: just starts playing chess. And I remember Torre who's sold

1308
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: he was in Tour de France and then suddenly everyone

1309
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: starts cycling. And so Norwegians are very much like that.

1310
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: And now it seems like, oh, now people people that

1311
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: don't play golf, they watch golf because they want to

1312
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 2: support me or whoever it might be. So that's that's

1313
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 2: really cool that I can kind of play a part

1314
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 2: of inspiring other people from Norway, as I was inspired

1315
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 2: by Tiger and other guys when I once watched them

1316
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: when I was younger.

1317
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: Crazy times in golf in twenty twenty four, VIC twenty

1318
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: twenty five, what would you like to see? I mean,

1319
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, there's it seems like there's so much upheaval

1320
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: Live SSG coming in for the tour now, Like a

1321
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: lot of players, I know, the Live guys made you

1322
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: an offer. You chose to stay. Some of your Ryder

1323
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: Cup teammates and Terrell Hatton and Gen Ram chose to go.

1324
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: But for you as a player and you as a

1325
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: person and as a professional golfer. In twenty twenty four,

1326
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: what direction would you like to see the game go

1327
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: in as a way to maybe try and change things

1328
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: from what it has been. Yeah, because I think I

1329
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: think I've gotten to know you over the last you know,

1330
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: career four years. I think you're a really bright thinker.

1331
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: You're smart, You're inquisitive, You're a curious person. You ask

1332
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: questions as one of the things I like talking to

1333
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: you because you ask questions. Sometimes people don't really ask.

1334
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: So what are the questions you still have and what

1335
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: would you like to see maybe this look like one day?

1336
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I like to ask questions because

1337
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: I don't know a whole lot myself. So if I

1338
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: ask more questions and I get more information, then I

1339
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 2: can make a better decision. And that's I think that's

1340
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 2: the frustrating part from my standpoint is that us as players,

1341
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 2: things haven't been very transparent for us, So it's hard

1342
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 2: for us to when you're asking me a question here

1343
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 2: and I want to be truthful and give you a

1344
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 2: straight kind of answer. Yeah, So I just don't know,

1345
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: but I would like to see. Obviously, the Live is

1346
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 2: bringing in a lot of money to the sport and

1347
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 2: there's a lot of competition, which I think is good,

1348
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 2: but it seems to have been a response from the

1349
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 2: PGA tourist side that Okay, we're gonna it's just more

1350
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 2: talk about the money, and I think that's a little

1351
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 2: bit sad. Now, money is important and everyone needs to

1352
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 2: get paid accordingly in a fair way, but I don't

1353
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 2: think that needs to be like the driving force behind

1354
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 2: this or the story every single week. It's like not

1355
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 2: to dog on a tournament here or there, but like

1356
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 2: you could put the price or the the purse for

1357
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 2: John Deer to six million bucks to first first place,

1358
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 2: but I'd much rather win a Memorial or a tournament like.

1359
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: Because of the history and the golf course, Yeah, Jack

1360
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: and something like that. Listen, I think that every player

1361
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: on tour wants to win a golf tournament on an

1362
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: iconic golf course. I mean last week DJ was up

1363
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: here over the weekend hitting some golf balls and he's

1364
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: on his phone watching the early coverage of Riviera, and

1365
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: I was like, what you doing. He's like, it's my

1366
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: favorite golf course. It's like, I was so lucky to

1367
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: win there. I just cool love it. He named his

1368
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 1: son River after Riviera, so it is a golf course

1369
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: after River. So DJ loves that golf course, right, I mean,

1370
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: he just loves it. And so for you, winning at

1371
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: a place like Memorial, obviously your first win in Puerto

1372
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: Rico is huge, but when you win a tournament at

1373
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 1: Jack's place, all the people that have won there before,

1374
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: it's an iconic PGA Tour golf course. Yeah, for you,

1375
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: it means something winning on those type of winning those

1376
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: type of tournaments, in winning on those type of golf course.

1377
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the thing. You're gonna have those memories

1378
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 2: of winning that event, seeing kind of your name on

1379
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,520
Speaker 2: that trophy and the history.

1380
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: Of all the standing there we walk off.

1381
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty cool. Obviously the paycheck is nice as well,

1382
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 2: but that's if that's what you're remembering by the end

1383
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 2: of the week. I kinda that feels a little bit

1384
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: soulless in my opinion, So you know, it's, uh, yeah,

1385
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what the path forward is. To be honest,

1386
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 2: it's been, uh it's been a little sad, but I

1387
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 2: try not to think about it too much. It's a

1388
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 2: little comical, to be honest, to see what's going on

1389
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 2: in the game of golf. But I hope there's a

1390
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 2: resolution in the future because at the end of the day,

1391
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: I just want to compete at the best golf courses,

1392
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 2: the best tournament. I guess the best players, and it's

1393
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: the simplest that. However that's going to happen. I don't know,

1394
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 2: but that's what I would like to see.

1395
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: I think there are supposed to be smarter people than

1396
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: usick trying to figure that out. Lastly, your love of

1397
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: death metal, where did it? Where did it come from?

1398
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: That genre of music? The people like yourself that are

1399
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: big into death metal. You're big into death metal. I

1400
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: mean it's big, and give me some bands that are

1401
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: your favorite. But when did you start listening to death metal?

1402
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 2: Well, I've always been a linking park kind of guy,

1403
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 2: so I liked rock, but I didn't really I was

1404
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 2: too young to really know that, oh, this is rock

1405
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 2: or hard rock or alternative, whatever you want to call it.

1406
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 2: And my Swedish coach at the time, when I was

1407
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 2: kind of twelve thirteen years old, we because it was

1408
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 2: winter in Norway, snow everywhere, so we decided to take

1409
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 2: a road trip to Sweden for the weekend and because

1410
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: we could practice her a little bit. And he's kind

1411
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 2: of an old school hard rocker, heavy metal guy, so

1412
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 2: Iron Maiden, Romstein and and kind of those those bigger bands,

1413
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: Guns and Roses all that stuff. So as he's playing

1414
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 2: that in the car, I'm thinking this is pretty good.

1415
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: I like this stuff. And after the trip I went

1416
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 2: home just google on YouTube or search on YouTube best

1417
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 2: metal songs, and the first thing that pops up is

1418
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 2: a system of a down chop Suey and I start

1419
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 2: playing it. It's super melodic. In the beginning, I'm like, oh,

1420
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: this is pretty cool, and then they just start screaming yeah,

1421
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 2: and I'm like, wow, this is this is a lot,

1422
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: this is aggressive, and I listened to it. I didn't

1423
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: really like it. I turned it off, and then a

1424
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 2: couple of days after I came back to it, I

1425
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: listened to it again, and then I listened to it again,

1426
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: and then I just realized, Okay, I kind of I

1427
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 2: kind of get it now. It's just something clicked to

1428
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 2: where I understood the message, or it just instead.

1429
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: Some of those songs gonna be like quite melodic and stuff,

1430
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: and then it turns into the you know, the guitar

1431
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: and all the drums and that kind of yeah.

1432
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 2: And then instead of being like whoa backing off and

1433
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 2: what is this? This is aggressive? I just kind of

1434
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 2: accepted it and understood it, and then from then on

1435
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 2: it was just okay, how extreme can I get?

1436
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: So you there's there's death metal, and then there's Scandinavian,

1437
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: Swedish Norwegian death metal, which is like, I mean that's

1438
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: like someone being yeah, he's a scratch golfer, and then

1439
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: there's like a plus five. I mean, if if we're

1440
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: going for death metal, I mean.

1441
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm not like because in Norway we're very

1442
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 2: known for black metal, and I just haven't delved into

1443
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 2: that at all. That's not really my style. Because what's

1444
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 2: cool the more you get into metal, metal as a

1445
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 2: as a genre is so big. You have so many

1446
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 2: subgenres within metal, and I've gravitated. Like in Sweden they

1447
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 2: have a lot of melodic death metal is what they call,

1448
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of bands like in Flames that's

1449
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: old school and and like that that I just like

1450
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 2: their their sound and their style. And then now in

1451
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 2: recent years, I've listened to a lot to a band

1452
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 2: called Vildiarta and that's like, are they from They're from

1453
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 2: Sweden as well, but it's not like I mean, they

1454
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 2: could they say that there's their genres kind of fall

1455
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 2: that's what they call, and it's just like they've kind

1456
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: of created their own genre because it's so it's so

1457
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: out there, and I just think it's, Uh, it's not

1458
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 2: something that I listened to all the time because it's

1459
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 2: pretty intense and it's just you kind of have to

1460
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 2: sit down and pay attention to it. But I think

1461
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 2: it's h I just remember listening to the recent album

1462
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: they posted a couple of years ago, and it had

1463
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 2: taken them over ten years from their first album, uh

1464
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 2: to make the newest one, and I could just as

1465
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 2: I'm listening to it, you can hear like a lot

1466
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: of what do they call it easter eggs in this

1467
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 2: new album, Like riffs and sounds and melodies that they

1468
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 2: had in the first album incorporated into the newer album.

1469
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 2: So it was just like, as I'm listening to it,

1470
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 2: the beats are awesome, or the the rifts are off awesome,

1471
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 2: and it's just the sound is great, and then you

1472
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 2: hear the old sounds that you've heard before into a

1473
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 2: new song. It was just it was unbelievable. So ever

1474
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 2: since then, I've just kind of considered that band as

1475
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 2: my favorite band. Go to shows, I don't, I don't.

1476
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 2: I much prefer just put the headphones on and just

1477
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 2: be in my bedroom and just chilling out.

1478
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: Lastly, lastly, goals for this year. You know, obviously coming

1479
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: off of a monster I mean there are years and

1480
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: then there are monster years. I mean, the way you

1481
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: played last year, you win the tournaments that you want,

1482
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: you you you win late in the and then win

1483
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to back that up, right, But

1484
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: obviously you're one of the players that every single major

1485
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: that's going to be played for the next ten years,

1486
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: your name is going to be penciled in as one

1487
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: of the favorites. So what are the goals this year

1488
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: and how do you go about trying to back up,

1489
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: like I said, a breakthrough, monster career year for you

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Speaker 1: in really you know, you've had one of the you've

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Speaker 1: had a career year really before you're thirty. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean been on two or five years now and you've

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Speaker 1: had that monster like Jordan Speed. Jordan Speed had a

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Speaker 1: just a wins two majors. I mean, where do you

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Speaker 1: go from there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely would like to win a major and

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Speaker 2: win a lot of tournaments, keep winning tournaments. But I'm

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Speaker 2: not a guy that sets schools like that. I know

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Speaker 2: what I need to work on in my golfspeling or

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Speaker 2: on the greens during the short game just or outside

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Speaker 2: of golf, and I'd like to just keep improving on

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Speaker 2: that and just get a little better all the time.

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Speaker 2: And then, you know, I can't really I mean, obviously

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Speaker 2: I'm in somewhat of a control, but I can't control

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Speaker 2: if I'm gonna win that PGA at O Kill this

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Speaker 2: or last year. It's one of those things that at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, yes, I finished second, and

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Speaker 2: it was brutaled away that I finished second, but I

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Speaker 2: was very happy with the way that I played, how

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Speaker 2: much I had improved in just a short span of time.

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Speaker 2: And if I continue to do the right things and

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Speaker 2: I see things improving, I'm gonna win tournaments and I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna have good results. So that's kind of just how

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Speaker 2: I think about it, just constantly trying to get a

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Speaker 2: little bit better.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've been around professional golfick my whole life, and

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Speaker 1: you know, rarely do we see a player like you

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Speaker 1: that has not only all the tools that you have,

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Speaker 1: but I think the way that you think, in the

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Speaker 1: way that your brain works, and kind of your approach

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Speaker 1: to golf, I just think is so refreshing. And it's

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Speaker 1: been really fun to watch all the success you've had.

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Speaker 1: And I will be shocked in two three years now

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Speaker 1: if you don't have multiple major championships, because you're sure no,

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Speaker 1: But Vic, your game is so good and you are

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Speaker 1: such a kind of breath of fresh air to competitive golf.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, the way you're always smiling, but the

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Speaker 1: game that you have is just it is so so

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Speaker 1: fun to watch, and I just I just think this

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Speaker 1: guy's the limit for you, man, I I and I

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Speaker 1: think if you're not, even though the world rankings are

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Speaker 1: kind of a little bit weird now, but I don't

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Speaker 1: see any reason why you're not number one in the

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Speaker 1: world in the next three years, because that's how good

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Speaker 1: you are.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to watch. And I can't thank you

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Speaker 1: enough for taking time to talk to us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the Chack Claude.

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Speaker 1: So that was Victor Hoblin and it's easily one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite pods. Like I said, I'm a fanboy, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was fan boeing the entire time I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to Vic because I really like him as a person.

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Speaker 1: I really like him as a player, and I just

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Speaker 1: I love his game and I love his approach, the

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Speaker 1: way he plays golf. I love the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 1: we talked about the fact that he was a terrible

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Speaker 1: chipper when he came out onto her, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he fixed that, and you know, a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: I think Vick is kind of fearless. He's a fun guy.

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Speaker 1: He's like, he's joined my club, the Floridian. So I

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Speaker 1: get to kind of get to talk to him when

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Speaker 1: he's home and get to kind of watch him work

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01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: and watch him hit balls and watch how he goes

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01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: about doing things, and I'm a fan, so to be

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Speaker 1: able to sit down and talk to him was a

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Speaker 1: really really cool experience for me. Like I said at

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Speaker 1: the top of the show, two million downloads, that is

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Speaker 1: just it's mind boggling to me, and I'm incredibly humbled

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Speaker 1: that everyone listens on a weekly basis, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to continue to try and get you more guests. But

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Speaker 1: the main thing we're going to try and get you

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Speaker 1: to do is help you with your game so that

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Speaker 1: when you go out and play, you've got things you

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01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: can work on, ideas ways to play golf, and hopefully

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Speaker 1: by listening to the podcast, you take away something not

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Speaker 1: only from something that I've said or one of the players,

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Speaker 1: or the other coaches or the other guests we've had

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Speaker 1: on that can maybe help you shoot lower scores and

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Speaker 1: enjoy your golf more. So, thank everybody for listening. Son

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Speaker 1: of A which comes to you every Wednesday, and we

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Speaker 1: will see you next week.