WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: I Get Knocked Down 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.439 Hike and everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.920 the Bengals boot Podcast. The I get knocked down, but 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.920 I'll get up again. Addition, as Dave Lapham joins me 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.000 to discuss the Bengals first scrimmage of training camp. With 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.800 no preseason games, NFL teams have to do some tackling 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.880 at practice this year, and we'll tell you who stepped 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:29.400 up when the Bengals started knocking teammates down. Plus, I'll 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.680 talk to former NFL GM Charlie Casserleigh, now with the 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.800 NFL Network and NFL dot Com. If he had been 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.320 in charge of the Bengals going into this year's draft, 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.000 would he have taken Joe Burrow or traded the pick? 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:46.120 He'll answer that question. And finally, this week's one on 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.280 one player interview is with c j Uzama, now the 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.840 old man in the Bengals tight ends room. Those were 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:57.360 his words, not mine. The Bengals Booth podcast is presented 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.520 by Prime Sport, the official fan, travel and hospital fatality 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.200 partner of the Cincinnati Bengals. And here's a quick reminder 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.640 that you can have the latest edition of this podcast 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.800 delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:15.920 an Itune, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. It's 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:22.280 the greatest thing since a golf lesson. I love golf, 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.319 and at various points in my life I've been a 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.360 decent player, certainly not great, but somebody who could pretty 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.200 consistently shoot in the low eighties with the occasional round 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:38.960 in the seventies. Well not this year. I stink so 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.479 much so that when I've had the chance to play, 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.120 I've wanted to sell my clubs at the end of 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.360 the round. So this week I broke down and took 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.760 a lesson from my friend Doug Martin, the former PGA 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.800 Tour player who is now the head coach at UC. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.520 It was awesome and in one hour I felt like 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.440 I was back on track. So if you're a struggling golfer, 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:05.559 don't give up. Take a lesson. After just one hour, 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:10.920 I think that I no longer stink. Now, let's get 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.840 to football. On Friday morning, Joe Burrow faced his biggest 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.679 test of training camp to date as the Bengals held 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:22.919 their first scrimmage. The rookie quarterback even got tackled by 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.560 a Gatorade cooler that Burrow tripped over on a scramble 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:30.360 out of bounds, Joe cool hopped right up and after 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.080 everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief, the Cooler was 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.400 quickly yanked out of the way. That occurred on the 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.640 third play of an eleven play touchdown drive. Quite a 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.600 start for Joe Burrow, and Dave Lapham joined me to 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.800 talk about it when the scrimmage was finished. Lap at 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.959 the NFL scouting combine, we learned Joe Burrow's hand size. Well. 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.040 Now after seeing them scrimmage for the first time, we 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.919 need his jacket size for the gold jacket that he's 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.160 going to get going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.560 I'm obviously being facetious, but he was really impressive today. 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.440 He was out there for five drives in the scrimmage. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.240 The Bengal scored three touchdowns and two field goals on 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.280 those drives. Now, I should point out on the field 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.679 goals he started at the opponent's thirties, so what would 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.799 be known as the red zone. Plus didn't get any 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.200 first downs on those two drives, so those are really 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.639 wins for the defense. But still by my stats, thirteen 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.160 for nineteen overall, a pair of touchdown passes to add 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.000 and Tate and a very impressive showing, very impressive Dan. 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.720 And you know, Zach has got a scoring system on 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.640 these scrimmages where the defense can score points. I mean, 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.440 if they hold the offense to a field goal like 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.760 they did, the offense gets three, the defense gets four. 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.680 So you know, and then if the defense gets to 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:48.360 takeaway at seven points at the offense touchdown at seven points. Today, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.160 I think of the letters C or the scrimmage that 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.240 took place. I take the letter C, not meanings. He 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.720 grated to see just the letter C. Because the dude 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.000 had complete command. He was in total control of things. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.920 He communicated everybody. He did not look like a rookie 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:08.440 quarterback whatsoever. A couple of defensive coaches that I had 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.000 a chance to speak with like a long distance, you know, 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.400 I said, what's your take on Burrow? A kid can play. 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.599 I mean, he's a player, there's no question about it. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.480 He is. He's impressed everybody. And when you look at it. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.760 In the scrimmage, Joe Burrow didn't have a lot of 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.520 his weapons. You know, A J. Green was not in 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.240 the mix whatsoever. T Higgins not in the mix whatsoever. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.840 John Ross not in the mix whatsoever, varying reasons for that. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.640 Joe Mixon only played in one little part of it 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:39.000 that was not live tackling. It was thump drill. Giovanni Bernard. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.560 Didn't see Giovanni Bernard out there very much at all, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.920 if any that I could recall. So, I mean Tyler 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.080 Boyd and no, no, not gonna play. You know, took 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.080 care of guys on defense too, like you know Geno Atkins, 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.159 he didn't. He didn't see the football field defensive tackles 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.160 he protected. You don't want to lose dj Reader. You 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:57.720 don't want to lose Daniels. You don't want to lose 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.880 you know, there are no defensive tackles to get anywhere, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.680 and they've already lost one and Rent. So I think 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.480 they were very smart about the whole thing. But back 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.159 to Burrow with the offense, So what did he do? 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.800 Oddent Tate had a day because Joe Burrow, Alex Ericsson 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.400 had a day. It's like, hey, these guys are NFL players. 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.440 I know they're gonna do their job. I'm gonna do 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.960 my job. Those guys stepped up and when he gave 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.720 them opportunities to make plays, they rewarded them. The thing 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:24.920 that Odd and Tate showed today Dan, that he's shown 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.960 him forever is his billion to fifty fifty ball. It's 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.640 twenty five at worst. With him, he's like a like 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.279 a tremendous rebounder. I mean he gets position, uses that 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.680 big body and man he and right now Joe Barrow 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.600 already saying if you're I'm going to you if you 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.520 don't catch it, I'm no, you're not gonna let the 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.160 defense make a play on it. The ball is going 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.159 to go on the ground if you don't catch it, Joe, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.039 the ball is going to hit the dirt. It's not 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.760 going to be in a defensive player's hands for an interception. 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.120 So you can already see the trust and confidence that 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.600 those guys have built up. And you know you mentioned 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.680 it in one of our training camp reports. The dynamic 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.920 between Tyler Boyd and Joe Burrows is building because they're 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.760 taking so many snaps together. I'm excited to see when 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:09.760 he gets all of his weapons. I mean, you know 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.960 the number ones as such, it wasn't it wasn't the 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.680 number ones really when a lot of the number ones 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.159 projected number ones for Verus and the sundry reasons weren't going. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.800 Boyd and Bernard were out there on that very opening 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.479 drive with the thumping, not the tackling, but that was 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.600 pretty much it for those two guys. I do want 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.280 to go back to the very first drive of the 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.440 day for Joe Burrow was an eleven play touchdown drive. 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:37.360 He was six for six, but the first two plays 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.840 were runs by Joe Mixon. They did not pick up 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.480 a first down. So now it's third down. Burrow drops 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.640 back to pass pretty good pass rush, takes off and 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.279 runs for the first down to keep that first drive alive, 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.440 and then methodically marches them down the field. That's another 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.120 aspect of his game that's going to come in very handy. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.680 There's no doubt, Dan. I mean, you know, Lamar Jackson 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.200 was MVP because he could beat you throwing the foot bone. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.200 He can beat you with his feet, you know, Joe 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.360 Burrow it does not have the speed in the athleticism 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.240 of Lamar Jackson. I'm not trying to make a comparison there, 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.440 but what I am saying is when things start to 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:16.000 break down, he has enough foot speed enough make you miss, 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:20.920 you know, enough suddenness, enough quick twitch to extend to 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.880 play and extend to drive create plays, and yeah, I 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.240 mean Joe Burrow has the ability to make plays with 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.400 his feet as well as his throwing arm and in 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.720 his brain. More importantly, most importantly is he understands the 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.200 game of football. He sees the field so well and 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:43.040 he diagnoses what he's looking at so quickly. He makes decisions, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:47.440 very very sure decisions in a very expedited fashion. Man 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.040 he gets the ball out. He's a very impressive kid 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.200 to watch. He was not perfect. On one drive, he 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.880 had c j Uzama open in the end zone after 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.400 buying a little bit of time and scrambling to his right, 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.480 he missed him when he was open in the end zone. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.320 On the very next pass, he threw a touchdown to 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.600 Odd and Tate, so no damage done there. But he 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.800 also threw a very dangerous pass at one point, rolling 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.320 out to his left, pointed down field to one of 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.920 his wide receivers, and then tossed a deep ball down 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.320 the middle of the field that'll get intercepted a lot 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.760 in a regular NFL game. And then thirdly, there was 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.960 a deep ball to Alex Ericson who was open and 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.360 Joe didn't really step into it that much, kind of 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.440 floated it down the middle of the field and didn't 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.560 get it out there far enough for Alex Ericson. Yeah, 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.760 it didn't lead him quite enough, and it had a 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.480 little bit too hung in the air, a little bit 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.240 a little bit too long. But the thing where I 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.839 think he is, I mean really fun to watch when 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.720 we're watching from behind the offense, like we're allowed to do, 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.760 watch from the end zone, and we're standing on the 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.960 field to play. And I like that because I can 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.320 see the protections, I can see holes develop, you know, 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:52.800 in the running game and all that. But I can 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.520 also see Joe Burrow, what he's doing when he slidesteps 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.200 and what he's looking at and when he throws that 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:02.320 football in the intermedi it ranges. It is impressive where 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.760 he's putting that ball. I mean it is tight windows. Man. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.120 It's like that's the only place he could have put 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.160 it to get their completion he got and he put 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:14.319 it right there. I mean dime, big time dime. So 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.080 that that part of it is where you make your 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.560 bread and butter in the National Football League, And you know, 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:24.440 he led the led college football in quarterback rating under 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.480 pressure and completion percentage under pressure and he was second 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.360 in all of college football throws twenty yards and war so, 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.800 I mean he can do both. I mean he can 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:35.680 hit that short and met it stuff with the best 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.400 of them, but he can he can get those chunk 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.720 plays for you. And on the drives we talked about, 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.640 you know, the numbers that he put up, he chunked him. 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.480 He had a few chunk plays in there. You know, 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.120 it's not like it was screen passes, nickel and dime stuff. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.079 You know, tight end on a hitch. I mean, he 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:54.000 chunked him pretty good. I'll tell you where he's especially accurate, 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.360 in my opinion, on those slants like seven to ten 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.880 yards slant he hits the guy in stra He was 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.840 really effective on those, to Mike Thomas and Auden Tate 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:05.880 and you know, Dan, there's there's a lot of times 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.319 there's going to be traffic there and if your receivers 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.520 like don't throw, don't hang me out to dry, don't 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.520 make me stretch out for that thing. When those guys 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.360 run those routes, they're running them with such confidence that 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.480 Joe's gonna hit me where I know, he's not gonna 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.520 put me in danger. He's going to deliver the ball 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:23.920 where I can make a catch on it, and I'll 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.120 still be able to protect myself from that from that 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.319 big hit, because you know, all it takes is a 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.319 slant or two were you know, the defensive backs counting 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.120 the receiver's ribs. I think I'll hit him between rib 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:34.920 three and four on this one, and it come back 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:36.959 said hell, like, dude, don't do that to me again. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.440 You know, receivers to a quarterback, and Joe's I think, 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.160 very very aware of that, and he puts the ball 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.160 right where it should be put. For sure. I didn't 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.960 see Geno Atkins at all. Carlos Dunlap and Sam Hubbard 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.920 were out there a decent amount. Carl Lawson played a lot. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.559 I don't remember seeing DJ reader. Mike Daniels was out 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.360 there a little bit, says Zach Taylor. Obviously a reader 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.760 a little bit too, says Zach Taylor. Was obviously resting 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:08.240 and protecting some of the big name defensive lineman, particularly 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.040 the veterans. But with all of that in mind, how 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.040 did the offensive line do? In your opinion? I thought 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.000 they did pretty well. And uh, you know, Joe Williams 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:21.160 to me, it's encouraging to watch him play. He has 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.400 what I call football character, and it's it's not just 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.440 you know what he says, because some guys talk a 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.679 good game, you know, but then can you go out 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.800 and play in the dude? He is. He is a focused, 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:40.000 you know, dialed in, grinded out guy, and he's he's 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.040 getting his reps against Carlos Dunlap when he's in there, 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.640 or carl Lawson. Pretty good combination. And like we said, 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.120 you know, I mean his first two games, Joey Bosa 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.360 and Miles Garrett. I mean, he was drafted by the 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.920 Bengals to block guys like Miles Garrett one on one. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.360 Miles Garrett was drafted by the Cleveland Browns to beat 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.000 guys like Jonah Williams one on one. And Miles Garrett 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.280 got a second contract already a biggie and Jonah Williams, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.040 you know, at the eleventh pick of the draft. Bengals 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:08.680 are counting on him to be a plug and play 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.880 guy for a decade or more. They're gonna be playing 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.439 against each other a ton. But he gets those two 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.160 guys in one hundred hours, you know, Sunday at four 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.120 o'clock and then you know, Thursday night at eight o'clock, man, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:24.520 a chevits that's but I think he's going to be 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.800 able to handle it. And I liken it to the 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.640 first time I played against Joe Green. It was my 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:34.319 personal Super Bowl. I mean I was so geeked up, man, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.840 I could have picked the stadium up that night. Joe 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.520 is not the game to Joe is who's this? You know? 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.160 And I'm thinking, you know, everybody's expecting Joe to kick 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.040 my butt and if I block him a few times 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.400 and gonna be like, Oh, who's this dude? You know, 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.200 it was easy hung in there with Jonah. Has to 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.160 have that mindset. Everybody's gonna be watching Joonah Williams go 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.600 against Joey Bosa who just got the big deal, and 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.400 then Cha Miles care tops that or vice versa. It's 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.760 like they're They're the two highest paid pass rush edge 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:03.520 rush in the game. Jony gets to prove himself right away. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:05.480 It's a big opportunity. I think he's going to handle 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.760 it that way. And watching him out there in practice, 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.280 he's preparing that way, not just every single day, every 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.760 single snap and a couple of times, you know, I 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.720 saw like an emotional reaction from him. So I'm sure 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.840 on the field he was exulting a little bit, you know, 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.400 after touchdowns, and there's nothing wrong with that. He and 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.559 Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan was doing some of the same thing. 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.720 I think that left side could be pretty decent, I 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.600 really do. I mean they're young, you know, I'm both 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.880 second year guys, but Jone aren't even playing his first 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.439 year and Michael's played some and really grew, and now 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.680 those two could be a nice tandem for a decade plus. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.440 On that left side. You should have just given me 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.400 and Joe Green a coke. He would have taken it 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.160 easy on you, coking a smile. Following up on the 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.840 old line, they did have some pre snap penalties today, 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.440 so Jim Turner will be barking about that the next 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.840 offensive line meeting. And you know, Dan, it's like Zach 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.160 addressed it when we talked to him after the scrimmage. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.040 It's like, you're gonna be led in because Michael had 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.800 one early and I could he was so jacked up. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:06.720 He came off the ball and tried to knock the 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:11.080 linebacker into next week. So I mean, that's that's part 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.599 of that is really obviously you have to be you 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.320 have to have a controlled rage. As the way I 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.280 used to describe it, I'd go into a game thinking 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:24.120 that this guy tried to rob my house and do 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.880 something bad to my family. That's the way I hated him. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.320 I wanted to destroy the guy. And you're all jacked up, 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.400 geeked up, ready to go. But then you have to 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.360 be controlled enough where you're just not frenzied, you know, 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.440 running around assignment errors bats, you know, not in a snapcount. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.040 It has to be a controlled rage, a controlled frenzy, 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.960 and sometimes balancing those two things, you know are a 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.560 little different, but yeah, they'll get cleaned up. Those things 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.960 will get cleaned up. Ball can't be on the ground, 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:51.440 you know. You don't want to see any of that. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.200 You don't want any assignment errors, any mental errors from 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.360 that standpoint, and Zach initially, I think, was pretty pleased 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.200 with that. I did see a free runner that an 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.160 offensive lineman get taken out of the scrimmage over and 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:06.960 was replaced. So there's going to be very little tolerance 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.040 for those kind of things because you certainly don't want 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.720 to be the guy who let him inside linebacker with 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.120 a straight be line to your quarterback Joe Burrow and 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.360 hit him. Was open up a new canad quarterbacks. You 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.560 don't want to be that guy. You'll never live that 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.080 one down. So at a diner you got the special 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.400 of the day. That's kind of how it feels right now. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.920 With the Bengals starting linebackers, it's like, all right, who's 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.200 on the menu today? To start a linebacker and for 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.240 the scrimmage with the ones. The first two guys today 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.200 were veterans Josh Bines and Jordan Evans, but after that 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.200 it was shuffle him in and out, mix and match. 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.040 That continues to be the theme so far. Did anybody 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.960 look particularly good to you today? You know I still 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:49.760 continue to like you know, both Logan Wilson and Davis 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.800 gaitheror I mean they do flash, they can they can 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:55.360 really run, they can really run around. Now again it does. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:59.200 I'm not as tuned in, haven't been a former offensive player. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.440 I'm kind of tuned into looking at it from an 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.640 offensive linement perspective. Was there in assignment or I'm not 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.080 as in tuned Okay, did he take the proper drop? 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:08.800 Was he in the right gap? I mean I can 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.720 tell if a guy's on the wrong gap don't And 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.200 I didn't see necessarily any of that. And uh, I 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.160 didn't see any glaring mental errors by those guys. But 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.200 there may have been some some some problems, you know, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.520 poor angles taking taken, maybe not enough depth on a 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.160 drop on some completion. Who knows what the fine tuning 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.040 part of it is. But but watching those guys play, 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.480 they need reps, you know, they just need snaps. They 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.600 need repetition. Repetition breeds comfort level. And man, if you 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.120 could take uh, you know, suck Josh buying some of 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.920 his brain and injected into the into the rookies, you know, 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.080 and transpose some of the transfer some of that some 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:50.040 of that gray matter with all of his experiences. And 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.400 there's no substitute for experience, you know. There there's no 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.800 other way to get it other than to go through 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.560 the experience. So, um, it is an interesting mix there, well, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.840 Josh Finds and those young guys. So after the scrimmage, 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.040 when Zach Taylor did a conference call with all the 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.720 reporters and you know, answered ten questions about how great 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.200 Joe Burrow is, he made a point without being asked 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.800 to single out Will Jackson as a player that he 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.440 thought was excellent today. Yeah, Will Jackson, I mean I'd 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.040 have to look at tape to see that. But but 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.080 he like he's a quarterback. Colin plays, so his eyes 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.080 go to the perimeter on the back end, and he 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.160 wants to see coverage and he wants to see who's 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.159 providing tight coverage. And and if Will Jackson kept jumping 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.480 into his eye, into his vision, you know, he's gonna say, hey, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.760 that guy. He was. He was consistently effective, and that's good. 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:43.520 That's good to see out of Will Jackson. You know, 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.439 I mean he needs to he needs to have that 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.119 kind of day. But other guys I thought, you know, 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.520 it had pretty solid scrimmages. But but nobody likes Jacques Patrick. 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.399 Jacques was, he was. He was unbelievable. He's a hundred 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:58.400 yards rushing. It seemed like in one drive. But yeah, 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.719 Florida State kid, big body guy. Um, he does have 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.640 some special teams experience and in college and in the XFL, 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.560 And I asked Zack in the conference called, you know, 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.840 without special teams games where Darren can actually see them 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.120 against other colored jerseys play special teams, you know, does 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.280 that how does that factor in? And they are gonna 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.359 like there's another scrimmer's Dan that we're gonna call on radio, 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:24.239 by the way, on WLW and uh so they'll have 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.159 special teams periods there that it sounds like you're going 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.800 to be live and part of that evaluation process will 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:32.919 take place and they're almost going to have to do that, 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.000 you know, see if guys can finish plays, get guys 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:40.240 on the ground, and um, you know, I remember Paul Brown. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.080 It was so innovative and so great and such a 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.480 such a inspiration, you know, as a coach, and he'd 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.040 he'd always say, Dan, about this time of training camp. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.679 You know, we can trick people, we can fool people, 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.320 we can do all that the way, but guys, you 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.560 still have to block and you still have to tackle. 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.080 And that's what today started it off. You still have 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.040 to block lineback, defensive players have to get off blocks, 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.480 have to tackle. And Paul Brown, every single practice in 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.800 training camp we would stretch and then do routine tackling drill. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:15.639 Everybody tackled lineman, offensive lineman against offensive linement, quarterbacks against quarterbacks, 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.800 punter against place kicker, and you would line up and 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.880 wasn't live, but it was forty five degree angle at 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.359 a decent little clip, gets your helmet across the battle 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.280 head in front and take on the ground and get 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.360 used to going to the ground tackling people because if 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.080 the defense turns you over, you got to tackle the 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.560 guy will score a touchdown. His big part right at 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.480 the very early stage. As soon as you get loose 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.280 and warmed up routine tackling drill, everybody takes somebody to 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.639 the ground. That was Paul Brown, as innovative and creative 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:48.160 as he was. The basics man, lock and tackle. That's football. 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.119 Jacques Patrick, the running back you were referring to, had 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.440 a forty yard run and a fifteen yard touchdown run 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.760 on the same drive. I'll tell you another guy who 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.680 had a good day today, Ryan Finlay. Two touchdown passes. 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.800 Both of them came in that red zone plus area 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.480 where they started at the opponent's thirty yard line. He 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.959 threw one to Alex Ericson and the other to Mason 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:12.560 Shrek wide open running down the seam. And he also 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.520 had a deep ball completion to alex Ericson earlier in 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.840 the scrimmage. Yeah, and this is where you know year 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.480 one to year two. Hopefully, Ryan Finley, he got a 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.920 taste of it, and it was probably a bad taste 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:26.679