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Speaker 1: Lady. Today, we have two very special guests joining us

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Speaker 2: There are some of us we stayed in the hood.

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Speaker 5: But to me, and I'm serious, it's home.

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Speaker 1: It's a spirit. I feel like it's a spirit.

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Speaker 2: This is My name is Patricia Streeter Jackson.

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Speaker 5: Seryl Mcgrennod's and we are North Nashville. Listen wherever you

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Speaker 5: get your podcasts, Ladies, when you hear that.

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Speaker 1: This all sounds so beautiful but also in some way

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is another, like again just beautiful question

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Speaker 4: That, Yeah, I would, I would just say I think.

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Speaker 5: comes to mind.

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00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't so much as a challenge, but just as

442
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: an example of how we worked through holding the elders

443
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: what they asked us. So I remember early on in

444
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: the conversation, early on when we get it the elders,

445
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: Lethia was like one of the elders, she was like,

446
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 2: and you know, can't nobody tell my story? And this

447
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 2: is weren't her exact words. So these are all let

448
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 2: me just say for your listeners, these are all black elders, So.

449
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 5: Let me be clear. These are aunties, grandfamas, like.

450
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 4: The big mom.

451
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: And so Lethio is like, I don't remember exact birds,

452
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: and Andrew maybe do, but she was like, I don't

453
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: want anybody to.

454
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 5: Try to tell my story. I don't want to white

455
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 5: people tell my story.

456
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: Like that was very clear, and so we get you know,

457
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 2: we've had these interviews, and Andrey and I are talking

458
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: and I have two kids, My life is very full.

459
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: I did not have the capacity to host by myself.

460
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: So Andrey was like, hey, what are we co host together?

461
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, let me ask the elders.

462
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: And so that's true, right, we had a meeting. I

463
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: came to them very like, I was nervous. I did

464
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: not know how it was going to go. And I

465
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: was like, are y'all so we're thinking that Andrea would

466
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: co host.

467
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 5: Are y'all okay with that?

468
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, yeah, she coachy family. But I

469
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: was so nervous because I was trying to hold what

470
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: they told us. And that's how we have handled conflict

471
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: and challenges by being very open and honest and going

472
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: head on and I have to say, starting out, before

473
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: we began this project, we spent a lot of times

474
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: talking about values and alignment so that we would know

475
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: that we could get through these when they did surface,

476
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: because they had surface, but that early on we really

477
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 2: tried to make sure that there was deep alignment and

478
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: understanding how we would go through conflict when we had it.

479
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: I hope that does that help.

480
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 5: Doctor Dong. Yes, that does very much.

481
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: So, and I wanted to ask you about you know,

482
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: one of the things that was mentioned in the last

483
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: episode is that the elder shared what they wanted right

484
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: for new and sometimes white neighbors, and you all shared

485
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: information with that group of new neighbors, but it seems like,

486
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: like you said, it was a lot of emotional labor.

487
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: Can you talk a bit about the dynamics around that,

488
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: like how you navigated that and like what your sort

489
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: of philosophy was when it came to interacting with the

490
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: white neighbors. And I'm assuming it's a predominantly black neighborhood

491
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: or was historically a black neighborhood.

492
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 5: How does that work?

493
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll start and I'll pass it to Andrea

494
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: because she was so and this is where having Andrea

495
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: doesn't live in our neighborhood, but because of how she

496
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: grew up in Kansas City, she has a deep consciousness

497
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: and awareness of historical facts, let's just say historical facts.

498
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 2: And so I don't remember how the conversation came up,

499
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: but I was like, Andrea, we really need white people

500
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: talking to white people, like we really I cannot carry

501
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: the labor of what the elders are sharing. And she

502
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: was like, on it, I'm with it. And so she

503
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: started having conversations with other white neighbors and then those

504
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: neighbors started talking to each other and I can pass it.

505
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: But that was such a relief to me because I

506
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: hold a lot of space for my neighbors with a

507
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: lot of political.

508
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 5: Stuff, Like.

509
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: I did not have the capacity to engage in these

510
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: conversations and really educate people like I couldn't carry that labor.

511
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: But Andrea had that space and the discretionary time to

512
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: do that, and she carried it in a really beautiful way.

513
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: And they had a gathering with primarily new neighbors and Andrea,

514
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: and it was a relief.

515
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 5: To me as a black woman.

516
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 2: It was such a relief to me to have someone

517
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: else carry that piece if that makes sense, and it does.

518
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I we gathered the elders at least two

519
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 4: times to ask them what Like, in two of our gatherings,

520
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 4: we asked them what they want from new neighbors, and

521
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 4: it just came up in the interviews and they they

522
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 4: proactively shared what they want from new neighbors, but they

523
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 4: also talked about like things that had happened with new

524
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 4: neighbors that were very painful. And so between Simone asking

525
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 4: me to do that and thinking about the elders like Larry,

526
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: our baby elder who I mentioned earlier, you know, he

527
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 4: like born and raised in this community. He gives so

528
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 4: much to the community, like I yeah, I mean, all

529
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: of these elders give so much, but he just I

530
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 4: don't even know how he has any time to himself,

531
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 4: but he describes, you know, walking down his street and

532
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 4: he feels like he's the one who doesn't belong because

533
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 4: of how new white neighbors coming in won't make eye

534
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: contact with him, won't say hello. And Larry is the

535
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 4: nicest man I think I've ever met. Like he's such

536
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: an incredible listener. He will remember things that you say

537
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 4: and ask you about them, like he's just he deserves

538
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 4: so much better than that, and they all do. And

539
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: so between Simone saying like white people need to talk

540
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: to white people and thinking about what Simone and all

541
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 4: these elders are already dealing with just by living in

542
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: that neighborhood, it was really important to me to honor

543
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: and carry that, like do what I could to carry

544
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: some of that weight. So yeah, the event, like Simone said,

545
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 4: we had, we had forty people show up, and the

546
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 4: premise of the event was like, come meet your neighbors

547
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: and learn about the history of the neighborhood. And there

548
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: was so much energy in the room and it was like,

549
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 4: I did not advertise this event as hey, white people

550
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: come to this gathering. So it was majority white, but

551
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 4: there were definitely like there was one woman who is

552
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: black who's lived in the neighborhood for as long as

553
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 4: the elders of the futured in the project, and so

554
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: there was like a little bit of a mix, which

555
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: I was actually really happy about, but it was still

556
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 4: majority new white neighbors. And I played an audio montage

557
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 4: of what the elders asked for, so I condensed our

558
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 4: like hour long conversation into with someone's help, she she

559
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 4: helped kind of pick out, like some of the pieces

560
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: of what they asked for, and I made just a

561
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 4: quick montage. So I had this whole room of mostly

562
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 4: white people listening silently and focusing and not on their

563
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 4: phones to what these elders asked for. And then we

564
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 4: so we you know, I kind of started the event,

565
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 4: let everyone mingle, played the audio, gave a little speech

566
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 4: about the project and why it was important, you know,

567
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 4: this the thinking behind our project and what we hoped

568
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 4: people left with. And I was so nervous that people

569
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: were just going to get their food and get out

570
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: of there, but people stayed and there was so much conversation,

571
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 4: and it really felt very hopeful because a lot of

572
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: the people that were there said that they had never

573
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 4: like they didn't grow up in neighborhoods where neighbors knew

574
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 4: each other, they had never been to a gathering like this,

575
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 4: you know. They they were sharing with us their questions

576
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 4: about the community. They're like, oh, I noticed this happening,

577
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: and I don't really understand, and we're like, go talk

578
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 4: to that, go talk to that neighbor, find out what's

579
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: going on. And so I think, I don't know. I

580
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: think There's a lot I could say about this, but

581
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 4: this one kind of big piece of our project that

582
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 4: I that's really changed how I think is there's so

583
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: much about this project that was generative in and of itself.

584
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 4: When you know, I've worked for organizations where it's like

585
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: about what you're creating, like what the what the product is,

586
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 4: and I think like this project has really embodied holding

587
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 4: space as as the hope, like the product itself, and

588
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 4: so like that gathering, I'm like, you know, I cannot

589
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: take it on in full time capacity and keep up

590
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: with all of these neighbors forever, but I really believe

591
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: in the momentum that we created in that space, and

592
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 4: I don't know, it just it.

593
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 5: Felt really really reparative in some ways.

594
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: Wow wow, And I'm listening to this it sounds it

595
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: sounds amazing, and it's something that I like, I think

596
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: about like other places, other cities across the nation that

597
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: are experiencing similar things in how something as simple as

598
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: a gathering to meet your neighbors could spark such a

599
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: huge change and a lasting change for that neighborhood. What

600
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: are some of the other lessons that or things that

601
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: surprised you throughout this journey.

602
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 5: I think how hungry people are to hear from elders.

603
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 5: My neighbor across the street, she's like, I need an

604
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 5: elder in my life.

605
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: I got questions I want to talk to, like I think,

606
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: and just seeing how they're being celebrated. I think that's

607
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: been the and I guess I should go back to

608
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: the answer to answer your question more fully. But the

609
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: project includes a podcast. We're writing a book that comes

610
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty seven. Many of our events have

611
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: been in response to what the elders have asked us.

612
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: So we had we had an inte generational dinner party

613
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: where we had fancy China and we had younger people

614
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: and the elders get together. We had a media lunch

615
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: because the elders were frustrated by media coverage of our neighborhood.

616
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 5: So we gathered journalists to have lunch with the elders.

617
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: And talk about how coverage of the media has been

618
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: damaging to the fabric of our community. And so what's

619
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: been surprising is how the elders have been celebrated and noticed,

620
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: and two of our elders are returning citizens. And when

621
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: he talked about how he felt seeing his face on

622
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: the cover of a local magazine and how people were

623
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: buying food and celebrated. I mean, I think it's unsaid.

624
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: You know, we live in the shadows as convicted felons.

625
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: We live in the shadows, but you all helped us

626
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 2: bring us into the light and.

627
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 5: So humbling.

628
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: Like I never imagined that something like this, that us

629
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: holding these stories in this way, through these different platforms,

630
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: through these different ways of telling stories, would make people

631
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: feel good.

632
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 5: And that's what my.

633
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: Hope is to your point, doctor Dom, That's what my

634
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: hope is for other communities that they will have their

635
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: elders celebrated, because I feel like it's a knit our

636
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: community together in a really surprising and beautiful way.

637
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 5: By centering these.

638
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: Elders, that is so beautiful and that's so real too,

639
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: Like wanting the one woman you said, it's like I

640
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: want an elder, and you know what it makes me

641
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: think about. There was a post I saw on social

642
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: media literally this week. I don't know if you all

643
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: saw it, where there was a black woman and she

644
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: looks like she may have been biracial, but she's a

645
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: black woman, and she was saying that she wanted to

646
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: adopt a black mom and she was just like it

647
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: was so wholesome and so sweet, and she was just like, I,

648
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, this is about me. This is what I

649
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: can offer to the relationship. And she was just humbly

650
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: like comeing to social media looking for a black mom

651
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: with certain attributes she was queer. So she's like, I

652
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: want you to be progressive, and you know, I'd love

653
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: for you to do this. I love to buy you

654
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: things as well. It was just so sweet. In the

655
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: comments section was just they passed the by. It was

656
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: so so kind and so sweet, and so I totally

657
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: feel that on wanting to like adopt an elder. But

658
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: I think we're all in this state of the world

659
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: they were in, like many people are looking for community,

660
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Speaker 1: and I don't think that that eld like many of

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Speaker 1: us have elders the way that we did growing up.

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Speaker 1: I don't know for me, at least our elders were.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They were just close to us and it was so important.

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Speaker 1: And now it's just we're growing up, we're about to

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Speaker 1: be the elders. So maybe that's part of it too.

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Speaker 1: But what I would love to know is what is

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Speaker 1: one belief that you held at the start of the

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Speaker 1: project that you no longer hold and then conversely, is

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Speaker 1: there a new belief that has emerged from the elders

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Speaker 1: that you now carried with you.

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Speaker 5: Ooh, that's hard. I would say that we have to

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Speaker 5: do everything.

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Speaker 2: Because when we stood to piggyback on what Andrea said earlier,

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Speaker 2: we thought we were going to interview like one hundred elders,

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Speaker 2: like it was going to be expansive. We wanted names,

677
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Speaker 2: and we were just like, yes, we're doing it, and

678
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Speaker 2: then we did one interview, We're like, oh.

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Speaker 1: Lord, no way. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Realizing that and then going back to that episode that

681
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Speaker 2: you can go really deep the power of one, like

682
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: we interviewed nine elders, but the threads of their stories

683
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Speaker 2: and how they connect to literally hundreds of other people

684
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Speaker 2: that you can go really deep. It's not about quantity.

685
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Speaker 2: It can be about death. I think that that's a belief.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's I think I feel that way

688
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 4: to simone like that was a big especially again, like

689
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Speaker 4: you know, I think my journalist instinct at the beginning

690
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 4: was like, we need to cast a wide net and

691
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Speaker 4: make sure we're representing as many people as possible. But

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Speaker 4: I think, like I really love the way we moved

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Speaker 4: to fall back on and like lean into the relationships

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Speaker 4: that Simone had already built as a community member, Like

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Speaker 4: these elders, Our people are her neighbors. They are people

696
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Speaker 4: that she has when she's fighting the build of an

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Speaker 4: Airbnb hotel around the corner, Like she met our elder Shiryle,

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Speaker 4: she met Thomas, like going to the historic Committee meeting,

699
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Speaker 4: Like I think that just really grounded us and made

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Speaker 4: for such a special and meaningful project. And like what

701
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Speaker 4: I said a minute ago about really learning how something

702
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Speaker 4: can be generative without creating something new and big and ongoing,

703
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: like what we did with this project, which we is

704
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 4: contained and it's going to end, and that's what we need.

705
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Speaker 4: We needed to end just because we have have this

706
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Speaker 4: contained project that's going to end, like it lives on

707
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Speaker 4: in so many ways, and it means something endless to

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Speaker 4: these elders. And that makes me think about like you know,

709
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Speaker 4: whether you're no matter what you do, who you are,

710
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Speaker 4: you can create meaningful experiences in your community, in your

711
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Speaker 4: spaces and just keep it going, you know, Like I

712
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Speaker 4: just that, I just think so much about the space

713
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Speaker 4: that we held and how that's just continued to ripple

714
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Speaker 4: out and and I think there are so many universal

715
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Speaker 4: things about that work that is so powerful in such

716
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Speaker 4: a word, because I feel like sometimes we create something

717
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Speaker 4: and we're like, I have to do this for the

718
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Speaker 4: rest of my life, and it's so overwhelmed.

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Speaker 1: And now you're like, but I love that, Like you

720
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Speaker 1: can create something powerful with a lot of depth and

721
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Speaker 1: then let it in and let that legacy continue. So

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for that. Is there anything that

723
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Speaker 1: we haven't discussed that you really want us to cover

724
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Speaker 1: before we transition to our clothes?

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Speaker 2: I think I just want to mention that Elder's parents

726
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: in almost every interview that elders talked about their parents

727
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Speaker 2: and how much value and wisdom and shaping that they

728
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Speaker 2: took from their parents. And so I just would like

729
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Speaker 2: to say the roots of our people run deep, and

730
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Speaker 2: there's so much available to us, to us from our ancestors,

731
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Speaker 2: and I just feel like our ancestors, like God, so

732
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: many people have been rooting us on because it's gotten

733
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Speaker 2: bigger than we ever could imagine. So that's what I

734
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Speaker 2: would like to say.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. And I guess another question I'm thinking of

736
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Speaker 1: is you kind of alluded to this injury about the

737
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Speaker 1: legacy of the project. What do you hope what do

738
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Speaker 1: you hope the future of this project looks like after wraps,

739
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Speaker 1: Like are there any other projects that you have moving

740
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Speaker 1: forward that will maybe be a little bit different, but yeah,

741
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Speaker 1: what is your vision for the long term projects? And

742
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Speaker 1: then what you're working on next?

743
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Speaker 4: Well, okay, so that's that feels like it's suddenly a

744
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: big question my I really, I really hope as the

745
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 4: project wraps up that that it continues to resonate with people,

746
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Speaker 4: Like I think that's something like when you're when you

747
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Speaker 4: are working on an oral history project. Like I don't

748
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Speaker 4: think we actually even mentioned this, but the Tennessee State

749
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Speaker 4: Archives acquired the transcripts of our podcast, which is huge.

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Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, and you know we heard you quoted

751
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 4: Thomas in the beginning of this interview. Thomas is a historian,

752
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 4: Like this man is a historian. I've never met someone

753
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 4: who holds on who has so much detail in his memory,

754
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: and he made a concerted effort to preserve those things

755
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Speaker 4: and do that work. He was one of the elders

756
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Speaker 4: who said in the beginning, like they wanted their stories

757
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: to be part of public record and part of public

758
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 4: memory and so you know, the episodes being the transcript

759
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Speaker 4: being acquired like that is such a huge deal. And

760
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Speaker 4: so my hope as this project wraps up is that

761
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: people continue to lean on and like honor and look

762
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: at the history that these elders shared with us, that

763
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Speaker 4: they shared with the world, with this neighborhood, with this city,

764
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Speaker 4: with this state. And I really do hope that people

765
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 4: also catch the bug and want to start asking their grandparents,

766
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 4: their parents, their neighbors these curious questions and then just

767
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: on a more hyper local level, Like my full time

768
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 4: job outside of this is running a local newsroom. And

769
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Speaker 4: someone mentioned the media event that that we hosted earlier

770
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Speaker 4: this year where we kind of talked head on about

771
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Speaker 4: like the negative coverage and the way the media played

772
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 4: a part in the harms done to North Nashville. My

773
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 4: hope is that local journalists continued to think twice before

774
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 4: writing a story about crime or about something bad happening

775
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 4: in the neighborhood and just think about what what context

776
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: are we bringing to this and how can we how

777
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 4: can we be more expansive, how can make space in

778
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 4: this story for the people who are living in this

779
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 4: neighborhood and know this better than anyone else. So there's

780
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Speaker 4: a lot more I could say, but though there's some

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Speaker 4: of my some of my hopes.

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Speaker 5: That was good. Yeah, yes, thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: And so as we as we're wrapping up, for those

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Speaker 3: that aren't that are listening, that have no idea we're

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Speaker 3: north needge will really is and would like to support

786
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Speaker 3: and would like to listen to the podcast, how can

787
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Speaker 3: they find you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for that question. We are north Nashville

789
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Speaker 2: dot org. We have a website and you can also

790
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Speaker 2: subscribe to the podcast on all the things Amazon and

791
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: the iTunes, Spotify, there's probably some other ones, but the

792
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Speaker 2: podcast is also available. I think anything else to add,

793
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: let's see the website, the podcast, And like I said,

794
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Speaker 2: our book will be coming out in May or the

795
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Speaker 2: spring of twenty twenty seven. We're currently working on some

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Speaker 2: sort of short short feature short film to kind of capture.

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Speaker 2: We did a radical rest retreat for black women because

798
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Speaker 2: something that came up was how exhausted black women are

799
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Speaker 2: in our community. So we did a rest retreat. And

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Speaker 2: so there's just so many things that we want to

801
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Speaker 2: capture and shit and continue to So thank you and

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Speaker 2: thank you for having us. Oh, my gosh, thank y'all

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Speaker 2: so much for having us.

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Speaker 1: You are so welcome, Thank you for being here. You

805
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Speaker 1: got me ready to move to North Nashville. Are you

806
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: talking about a black women rest retreat in the community?

807
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Speaker 1: Come on now, all right, you see me out there?

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Speaker 4: Come on over, yeah, come on over.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is amazing though, Thank you so much. It's so inspiring,

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Speaker 1: and I think it can spark ideas for us. I'm

812
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Speaker 1: over thinking about how I can build more community in

813
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Speaker 1: my conflict. So it's just really helpful to see the

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Speaker 1: work that you are doing. So thank you so.

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Speaker 4: Much, Thank you, and thank you for the work that

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