WEBVTT - Simon Pegg 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.640 I came dressed as Lady Diana. I just say, you know, 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:11.760 I thought there was a sort of demure innocence about 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:13.400 you when you came in. It was so funny. My 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.600 friend was at my house and she was like, why 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.000 are you wearing a Victorian nighting out of the house? 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.680 And I was like, all right, lots of people are 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:34.800 wearing these and they're not people. Are there's those places haunted? Hello, 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.479 I'm Mini Driver. Welcome to Many Questions Season two. I've 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:44.080 always loved Pruce's questionnaire. It was originally an nineteenth century 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.360 parlor game where players would ask each other thirty five 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.839 questions aimed at revealing the other player's true nature. It's 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.720 just the scientific method really. In asking different people the 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.160 same set of questions, you can make observations about which 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:03.160 truths appear to me universal. I love this discipline and 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.040 it made me wonder, what if these questions were just 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:09.160 the jumping off point, what greater depths would be revealed 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:13.000 if I asked these questions as conversation starters with thought 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.080 leaders and trailblazers across all these different disciplines. So I 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.200 adapted prus questionnaire and I wrote my own seven questions 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.039 that I personally think a pertinent to a person's story. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.480 They are When and where were you happiest? What is 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.959 the quality you like least about yourself? What relationship, real 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.720 or fictionalized, defind love for you? What question would you 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.840 most like answered? What person, place, or experience has shaped 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.600 you the most? What would be your last meal? And 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.280 can you tell me something in your life that's grown 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.679 out of a personal disaster? And I've gathered a group 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:51.240 of really remarkable people, ones that I am honored and 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.960 humbled to have had the chance to engage with. You 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.400 may not hear their answers to all seven of these questions. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.840 We've whittled it down to which questions felt closest to 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:05.120 their experience, or the most surprising, or created the most 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:11.000 fertile ground to connect. My guest today is the actor, writer, 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:16.040 and K pop lover Simon Peg. Simon is, by my estimation, 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:21.840 a brilliant actor, and he loves a franchise. Star Trek, 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.640 Mission Impossible and the Cornetto trilogy have all been made 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.720 a million times more dynamic by having him in them. 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.400 We were born a few days apart in the same year, 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.520 as it turns out, and we have the exact same 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.360 cultural references. So one of my favorite things to do 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.120 is to name a TV show from when we were 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.600 kids and to ask him to sing the theme tune, 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.960 and he doesn't like He doesn't even have to think 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.679 about it. He just knows every single song. And it's 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.200 a talent that makes me wish we'd actually known each 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.880 other when we were kids. He is a human jukebox. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.640 I could talk to Simon all day long. So I 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:08.360 hope you really enjoy this episode. All right, I'm gonna 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.920 ask you the first question. Now, this is it when 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.560 and where were you happiest? And I thought about this, 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:15.519 is there a particular time frame you have in mind 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.120 in terms of like a moment of happiness, like a 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.240 sort of brief moment of happiness, or a period of 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.040 time where I maintained my happiness or that's a really 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.480 good and annoying question of putting it back on me 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.000 to qualify what I do think that it's I wonder 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.200 if there is is there a period of your life 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:35.839 that stands out, but there could also be I'm also 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.040 interested in, like an aha moment of self awareness of 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.680 being happy. I suppose being really connected consciously to that 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.200 happy moment. I do have those occasionally, and when you 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.080 suddenly become self aware of your own happiness because the 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.280 happiness is a continuum. I've learned this over time, is 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:57.200 that happiness is a continuum which includes despair and everything, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:01.320 you know, because you can't have happiness unless you experienced 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.800 the other stuff as well, So you need those things 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.880 as part of your happiness. It's like if you're on 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:10.480 a skateboard and coasting its happiness, then the despair and 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.920 misery and angst and fear, and that's your kicks, you know, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.760 when you're pushing along, and then you can coast for 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.600 a while. And I guess the longest I've ever coasted 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.680 would be you know what. I think back to the 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.320 birth of my daughter, and I was actually in the 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.040 midst of quite a crisis at that time personally, but 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.039 I remember those four days in the hospital and at St. 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.599 John's and Santa Monica, of being in that room with 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.040 Maureen and just you know, having had the baby, and 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.279 it was like a little I always accidentally call it 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.680 the hotel when I tell this story, I say I'm 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.159 in hospital because it was like, you know, Sag got 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:43.760 it for us, obviously, because we were I was over 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.719 there working and it was this lovely little room and 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.479 we were like ordering pizza to the door. And it 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.520 was the four She was born on the first of July, 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:52.479 so we were still in there on the fourth. So 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.200 I remember ordering in an Indian which you don't get 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.719 the best curries in America, like we do not in 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.719 not in a laser we the English do English. God 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.720 the Empire current. But like sitting on the little window 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.440 sill where I was sleeping and watching the fireworks and 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.880 having this new little life. It was like a little 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.200 bubble of happiness inside a period where I was very, 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.160 very unhappy. I was in the midst of a kind 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.320 of you know, depression, which I've since come out of, 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.880 and I think the ten years following that have been 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:30.400 very happy, with moments of awfulness within that peppered within, obviously, 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.560 because you can't just be happy, no, And I completely 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.279 agree about the contrast. You have to categorically have the 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.760 contrast in order to experience happiness. I think we do 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:44.640 really egregiously forget that it's thrown into relief by other 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.880 harder times. Yeah, and I think it's impossible. It's a 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:51.120 full sort of errand to try and be happy all 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.000 the time, because if you're chasing that something, you'll never 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.480 get it. But we're weirdly encouraged to do that. That's exactly. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:02.599 That's the sort of specious nature advertising and social media 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:06.320 and this idea that there is an optimum happiness that 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.920 other people or you, if you bought this, you would 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:11.760 also be able to attain this. I mean that's sort 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.480 of marketing in general, but social media has added another 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.560 level of sort of skewed awfulness to the idea that 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:23.000 everybody else is experiencing happiness while you are super glam. 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.919 That's so true. And also social media has given us 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.600 the capacity to fake our own happiness. Oh I constantly 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.479 fake my happiness. So you look at your people, your 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.520 friends social media, that such a great time, and here's 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.479 me doing this and there's a selfie of this, But 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.440 really it's a facade, it's a shop front. I don't 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.599 you have looked, because I find that stories in Instagram 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:46.760 actually more much clearer about my mental state than anything. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.279 But on the grid, the grid is just that sort 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.640 of that is connected self promotion like that, but stories 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.400 you're getting into the weeds and it will be like 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.640 you know, lovely, lovely, lovely love fleet and then it 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:05.080 will just be like a weird, awful sort of reminder 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.000 of something like a piece of art and like hashtag 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:12.920 hold on, which I did yesterday. It was really grim. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.240 It was like some John Lennon lyrics. Oh my god, 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.440 it was written. I was like, Oh, that's that's the shadow. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.000 Did you feel like you've been overshared in that moment? 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:23.640 Or I felt like I was like, do you know what? 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.680 That balances it all out? That balances out real escape? 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:30.960 But asked me for another week, everybody, I could pretend 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.120 that for a week, I can carry on carry on faking. 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.440 Maybe that's the new carry on film. I remember when 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.960 I was a kid having moments of extreme excitement, like 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.080 when I couldn't quite control myself because I was suddenly 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.720 excited about Christmas or something or some TV show or something. 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.360 And I still get that as an adult. Sometimes I'm 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.600 at work, you know, when I'm doing something which I'm 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:51.480 really loving, and I get that sense of like, oh man, 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.600 I'm so lucky to be doing this job because it's 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.400 like it brings me happiness. You know. It's like or 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.880 I took Tilly to Olden Towers at the weekend, and 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.280 that was one of those that was of unbridled happiness. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.320 That will you explain what Alton Towers is for our 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.120 American listeners. Altern Towers is like our sort of six Flags, 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.080 I guess our disney Land. It's more like six Place 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.320 because it's roller coasters. It's just roller coasters. Yeah, and 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:16.560 they are a lot of a lot of puke. Weirdly enough, 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.600 it's the old school fair ground rides that made me 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.920 feel sick these days, the ones that go around and around. Yeah, 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.000 I can't do this. Roller coasters. I love them. And 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.600 we went on everything and we it was me and 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.840 Tillie and her friend Tessy, and we just had the 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.880 best day. It was unbridled joy all day long. So 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.160 maybe that is it. It's about the awareness of happiness, 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.559 not the idea that it should be a continuum that's ridiculous, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.840 or that it is this goal that you have to 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.679 arrive at, because that's also not possible, but rather in 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.760 those moments, feeling that happiness incarnate as it were. Yeah, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.960 it's like suddenly being aware of the fact that you're happy. 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.760 I think you can be happy, perfectly happy and not 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.520 really think, oh I'm happy because you're just on a 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.360 sort of whatever line of flight you're on, you're on 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.200 it and you're not sort of thinking about it. But 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.040 I do get moments now and again when I think, oh, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.480 I'm really happy today. Are there are places where you 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.240 know that you are going to be happy? Like if 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:08.720 I do this and I go here, I know I'm 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.760 going to feel yes. Yeah, what is that? Capalonia which 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.880 is an island in Greece where we've been pretty much 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.360 every year for twenty years, my wife and I and 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.360 you know, untiling after she was born. We have friends 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.400 there that we love, Greek friends and we met there 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.800 and who have become like our Greek family. They're so 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.240 generous and I haven't paid for a drink sixteen years. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.000 As soon as they found out I was on the Telly, 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.080 they were so impressed, even though they've never seen it 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.080 and they didn't know who I was. They were like, oh, 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.680 Simon's on the TV, and like they've got pictures of 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.760 me all over the bar. It's hilarious. But I mean, 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.199 it's a good job I don't rink because I'm cheap 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:46.480 on a cheap day, because they just have to buy 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.000 me sparkling water. But also that feeds into like the 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:53.080 weird a normally of celebrity where you're finally actually earning 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.640 proper money and then you stop having to pay for them. Yes, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:57.680 I had that. The other day. I had such a 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.120 weird experience. I was on Dean Street and I I 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:01.640 was getting some cash out and there was a girl 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.960 sat by the cash machine and she was homeless. So 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.640 I said, I'll buy some food, and she's like, cool, 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.480 can you buy me a pizza? So I walked up 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.400 the road to the pizza shop. The guy in the 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.240 pizza shop recognized me and gave me the piece of 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.920 free Oh my gosh, and I thought, wait, this is 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.880 really confusing because I want to I kind of want 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.319 to feel good about being altruistic here and buying someone 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.080 a pizza. You are ruining my Snaritan moment by giving 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.080 me free stuff, giving me free stuff when I don't 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:26.719 need a free pizza, you know, even though it was 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.000 a sweet thing to do on his behalf, so I 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.440 kept it. So I so I ate it because it 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:41.840 was what quality do you like least buy yourself apart 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.200 from just physical things that you obviously have. You know, 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:49.960 I'm very self critical and I'd like certain things to 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.160 be different. Don't let your packs. Oh, I definitely like 0:10:53.280 --> 0:11:00.720 my pecks to be that. I want the square of pecks. Man, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:06.520 are two round minded too? Yeah? Two spherical? Um? I 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.840 think I would. I wish I cared less about what 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.079 people thought about me, you know what I mean? How 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:12.960 do you know what they think about you? Or is 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.240 that also created? I think I'm very eager to please generally, 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.120 you know, And that's that's not that doesn't come from 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:22.640 just being a performer who invariably requires some kind of 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.640 external validation, you know, as I think most performers are seeking. 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.679 I guess I don't know why we act. Whether it's 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.640 because we have the capacity to simulate real emotions and 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.960 thus can do that and get paid, or is it 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.240 because doing that brings us some kind of approval from 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.520 somewhere or the people in front of which we are 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.040 doing that. I don't know. What do you think? I 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.680 think it's both, I do. I really think it comes 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.840 from a fundamental schism as a person of being insecure 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.199 and wanting approbation whilst also being a really good conduit 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.320 and articulator of emotion. And then the luck comes in 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.440 with being able to get paid to do something that's 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.360 basically an insecurity he turned into something else. Yeah, I 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.120 think you're right, it's not just being insecure. It is 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.200 interesting that we're just hearing you say that, of going, well, 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.559 how what is it we think they're thinking? Are they 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.679 just judging us in our entirety? Are they judging our 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:19.280 mental acuity? Are spiritual nurse like your hair, like the 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:24.960 way that you cough a personal worth because it's really 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.800 familiar to me. But I wonder, like, how do we 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.640 come up with that? It feels like maybe a much 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:34.320 younger person came up with that idea and then we 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.280 just kept it around the wounded child. I think so 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.200 instead of going all right, love, here's a band aid, 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.320 set yourself down, I'm very much like to be liked, 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.360 and I guess this comes from childhood stuff. Wanting to 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.600 be liked by various adults in my life who who 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.760 didn't like me, do you know what I mean, and 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.200 trying really hard to make them like me. Did you 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:56.959 ever give up? Did you ever try to make them 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.720 like and then just go what fun? This isn't gonna work. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.040 I'm just going to pave it really hard into just 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.839 something else. I think my taitle used to be just 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.240 kill them with kindness and try not to do that 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.400 and give them a reason to to double down on 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.920 their sort of disdain. I'm talking about step parents basically, 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.400 just so I didn't things just random adults that didn't 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.600 like me. It's weird because those relationships improved eventually, but 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.480 by the time they had improved, I was over fifteen. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.760 And all that stuff that is just cemented in your core. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:32.079 It calcifies between seven and yes, it concrete ez is, 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.000 but it's weird how we then carry those around like 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.400 an albatross, and I still listen to narratives that I 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:41.199 know we're written and recorded by a much younger version 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.720 of myself, and I shouldn't be responsible for that stuff anymore. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.520 And also, it's funny, isn't it. Like the echo chamber. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.040 It's a little core program that you can't quite rewrite 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.240 unless you really get into it with someone. I mean, 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.920 I'm talking about therapy and kind of unpick it all. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.160 But even then it's buried somewhere deeper than you can excavate. 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.520 And that's actually really interesting. I just said this to 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.439 the miraculous Elizabeth Day. We had a lunch together that's 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.040 why it's so nice to see you after we made 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.400 our film. I love seeing people that I've met in 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.560 a professional capacity and then you see them outside of that, 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.040 because it feels like your friendship has legs. And I 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.240 was like, why is it so difficult to know what 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.800 you know? And she knew exactly what I meant, which was, 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.320 you know you I wrote a book about things not 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.720 working out? Is actually your life working out? And yet 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.080 I still find myself in tears or sad about the 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:31.640 stuff that is not working out? And I was like, 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.800 I literally wrote the book about this and I haven't 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.880 learned it. Why is it so hard? This is not 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:39.560 one of my questions, but I just want you it 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.640 feeds into it. But it's like a phobia. You know, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.320 when you look at a spider, if your friend of 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.520 a spider, you know, every fiber of your of your 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.280 rational mind knows that that if it's just the kind 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.200 of little house spider, it can't hurt you. There's no 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.200 way it can hurt you. And yet something in your amygdala, 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:56.800 I guess that you know, some ancient part of your 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:01.240 reptilian braining. Yeah, is sort of like screaming, And I 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.480 think that's how they try and get people to obviously 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.440 face bobias is to is to try and get your 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:09.800 rational mind to overthrow But it's just so deep that program. 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:13.280 So maybe then we just learned to live with it. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.920 I'll recognize it, so awareness then becomes them healing adjacent. Yeah, 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.560 you have to kind of take a moment to think, 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.960 wait a minute, I'm doing this because of this, yeah, 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.400 not because it's a fact. Yeah, exactly. Well how are 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.160 you with reviews of things? I can't read anything. I 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.320 think I've figured out really early on, if you read 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.440 the good stuff and you give that credence, then if 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.560 you read the bad stuff, and the bad stuff was 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.680 so caustic and hideous and destroyed me honestly stopped me 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.000 eating for weeks at a time, like I'd read something 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.840 that the Daily Mail had written, really absolutely knowing I 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.280 have no control over this. I want to take control. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:52.160 I'm not going to eat awful, awful, awful. So I've 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.160 really made a deal to not read them, and people 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.200 I love no not to ring up and go God, 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.520 I read this thing in the page here and my 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.080 father in law, oh you've got two stars and the 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:08.040 rust you got two stars out of how many. Yeah, 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.120 but at the same time, but I won't also want 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.960 to know that party wants to read the good ones. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.640 It's it kind of self harm, isn't it. You go 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.080 in there knowing. I remember the first time I ever 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.240 found like really back in the early days, like early 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.080 two thousand's, when the internet was really young, there was 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.120 like a comedy forum, you know that these comedy nerds 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.040 all talking about I mean, stuff I did in like 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.600 even I mean, maybe it was even before the turn 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.600 of the century, but I remember stumbling across a chat 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.680 forum called what is the point of Simon Peg? I 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.080 hadn't really done that much. I was devastating. I'm not surprised. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.240 I'm devastated now and I've got a lot better at 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.840 dealing with that. God. That's really you know what's interesting, 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:52.200 the meanest stuff. Actually, it's so much to do with relevancy, 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.920 And even a few days ago I was tild which 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.480 doesn't happen that often with that notion of relevancy, like 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.720 what is the point of or you has been or year? 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.280 What do you mean? What do you mean? Like you're 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.520 so insignificant your opinion? It's really interesting that that's the 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.760 core shiv of relevancy when none of us actually mean 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.679 anything at all. Yeah, that's true. I'm really sorry that 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.840 there was like a reddit about your relevancy because I 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.320 think that's fucking ridiculous. But I never it was like 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.280 in the days before anyone knew about that kind of thing, 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.560 and I was like, what this can happen now? You know, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.960 people tend to be nice. I left Twitter not because 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.280 it was trialish, just because I found it a bit 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.199 of a clamor and I didn't really enjoy it. I 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.639 since joined Instagram about just over a year ago, and 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.480 I would like it. It's a nice little community. People 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.240 are genuinely pretty lovely, and sometimes if someone is nasty, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.040 you just think. You know. What I think of always 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.879 is that line from Gross point blank when John clu 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.520 success to in his old sort of rival, who are 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.400 you mad at? Man? Because it's not me? And it's 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.040 such a brilliant line. You good, and it's so true. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.440 It's like I think about when whenever someone like launches 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.160 some tire it against me, I just think, well, who 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.280 are you mad at? Because it isn't me, You don't 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:07.440 know me, it's some perceived idea of something that you've 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.439 connected me to. You know, I like the fact that 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.560 you can rationalize what that person thinks of you, because 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.480 it isn't it isn't about what they think of you. 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.760 It's really about when they think about themselves exactly, and 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.199 then you becoming the focal point of that using a 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.520 film that you're in. Yeah, by the way, that is 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:41.760 six Degrees of therapy, Bacon. What relationship, real or fictionalized, 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.719 defines love for you? I can rationalize sexual love and 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.080 romantic love as being a chemical reaction. You know, my 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.240 most kind of like because I'm a very dogged atheist 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.200 and I don't really have any kind of spirituality about 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.639 me particularly, and I'm not fanciful about stuff in my 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:00.600 old age. You know, I under stand that when we 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.480 meet someone that we're attracted to, there's dopamine and serotonin 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:04.720 and it makes us feel good and we get a 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.120 bit addicted to that person, and that person is that 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.040 is love, and then eventually that sort of wears off 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:10.919 a little bit and it becomes something else, you know. 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.240 But I cannot find a way to rationalize the love 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.800 I feel for Tilly, my daughter, because it does feel 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.320 bigger than that. It doesn't feel like chemicals. It feels 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.480 like something way more ancient and special and cosmic. I 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.800 can't quantify it. I can't understand it, you know what 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.560 I mean? It's just just loving Tilly make you believe 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:35.720 in Goddess. It makes me believe in a kind of 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.280 magic in a Freddie Mercury way, do you know what 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.600 I mean? It's incredible. I know somewhere along the line 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.359 there it's a species perpetuating kind of bond which is 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:51.080 incredibly important to our biological persistence, but really works well, 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.080 it's clearly partly that, but I don't think it's the 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.479 whole story. Like I've spoken to some proper scientists in 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.960 my day, as Simon, I suppoke to this this amazing 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.120 man called Lord Winstone, who was one of the people 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.680 that helped sequence the genome, and he's a devout Christian 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:11.480 as well, and listening to him speak about the nexus 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:16.560 of spirit and science and what that feels and looks like. 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.520 He was so brilliantly articulate and so humble in his approach. 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.880 It was the first time I really believe that like 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.800 they can coexist. They do in him and the way 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.440 he explained it, which is it's hard for me to 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:36.359 well remember it was that. It's hard for me to 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:41.440 really explain, but it did. It did speak to this 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:46.800 place where the kind of reasoned knowledge sets off into 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:51.199 this much more unknown space where something it feels like 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.320 something else may inhabit. So there was so much potential 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.240 in it was so beautiful the way that he described 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.240 it. It It was so not There is God with a 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:04.560 big gray beard and a clipboard. The clip board and 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.240 all my imaginings of God he has a clipboard with 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.439 like people's names are. You should not thinking about Santa. 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:20.200