1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: I came dressed as Lady Diana. I just say, you know, 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: I thought there was a sort of demure innocence about 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: you when you came in. It was so funny. My 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: friend was at my house and she was like, why 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: are you wearing a Victorian nighting out of the house? 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, lots of people are 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: wearing these and they're not people. Are there's those places haunted? Hello, 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: I'm Mini Driver. Welcome to Many Questions Season two. I've 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: always loved Pruce's questionnaire. It was originally an nineteenth century 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: parlor game where players would ask each other thirty five 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: questions aimed at revealing the other player's true nature. It's 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: just the scientific method really. In asking different people the 13 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: same set of questions, you can make observations about which 14 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: truths appear to me universal. I love this discipline and 15 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: it made me wonder, what if these questions were just 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: the jumping off point, what greater depths would be revealed 17 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: if I asked these questions as conversation starters with thought 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: leaders and trailblazers across all these different disciplines. So I 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: adapted prus questionnaire and I wrote my own seven questions 20 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: that I personally think a pertinent to a person's story. 21 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: They are When and where were you happiest? What is 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: the quality you like least about yourself? What relationship, real 23 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: or fictionalized, defind love for you? What question would you 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: most like answered? What person, place, or experience has shaped 25 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: you the most? What would be your last meal? And 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: can you tell me something in your life that's grown 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: out of a personal disaster? And I've gathered a group 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: of really remarkable people, ones that I am honored and 29 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: humbled to have had the chance to engage with. You 30 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: may not hear their answers to all seven of these questions. 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: We've whittled it down to which questions felt closest to 32 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: their experience, or the most surprising, or created the most 33 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: fertile ground to connect. My guest today is the actor, writer, 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: and K pop lover Simon Peg. Simon is, by my estimation, 35 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: a brilliant actor, and he loves a franchise. Star Trek, 36 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: Mission Impossible and the Cornetto trilogy have all been made 37 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: a million times more dynamic by having him in them. 38 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: We were born a few days apart in the same year, 39 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: as it turns out, and we have the exact same 40 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: cultural references. So one of my favorite things to do 41 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: is to name a TV show from when we were 42 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: kids and to ask him to sing the theme tune, 43 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: and he doesn't like He doesn't even have to think 44 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: about it. He just knows every single song. And it's 45 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: a talent that makes me wish we'd actually known each 46 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: other when we were kids. He is a human jukebox. 47 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: I could talk to Simon all day long. So I 48 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: hope you really enjoy this episode. All right, I'm gonna 49 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: ask you the first question. Now, this is it when 50 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: and where were you happiest? And I thought about this, 51 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: is there a particular time frame you have in mind 52 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: in terms of like a moment of happiness, like a 53 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: sort of brief moment of happiness, or a period of 54 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: time where I maintained my happiness or that's a really 55 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: good and annoying question of putting it back on me 56 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: to qualify what I do think that it's I wonder 57 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: if there is is there a period of your life 58 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 1: that stands out, but there could also be I'm also 59 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: interested in, like an aha moment of self awareness of 60 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: being happy. I suppose being really connected consciously to that 61 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: happy moment. I do have those occasionally, and when you 62 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: suddenly become self aware of your own happiness because the 63 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: happiness is a continuum. I've learned this over time, is 64 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: that happiness is a continuum which includes despair and everything, 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, because you can't have happiness unless you experienced 66 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: the other stuff as well, So you need those things 67 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: as part of your happiness. It's like if you're on 68 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: a skateboard and coasting its happiness, then the despair and 69 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: misery and angst and fear, and that's your kicks, you know, 70 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: when you're pushing along, and then you can coast for 71 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: a while. And I guess the longest I've ever coasted 72 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: would be you know what. I think back to the 73 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: birth of my daughter, and I was actually in the 74 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: midst of quite a crisis at that time personally, but 75 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: I remember those four days in the hospital and at St. 76 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: John's and Santa Monica, of being in that room with 77 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: Maureen and just you know, having had the baby, and 78 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: it was like a little I always accidentally call it 79 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: the hotel when I tell this story, I say I'm 80 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: in hospital because it was like, you know, Sag got 81 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: it for us, obviously, because we were I was over 82 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: there working and it was this lovely little room and 83 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: we were like ordering pizza to the door. And it 84 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: was the four She was born on the first of July, 85 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: so we were still in there on the fourth. So 86 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: I remember ordering in an Indian which you don't get 87 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: the best curries in America, like we do not in 88 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: not in a laser we the English do English. God 89 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: the Empire current. But like sitting on the little window 90 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: sill where I was sleeping and watching the fireworks and 91 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: having this new little life. It was like a little 92 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: bubble of happiness inside a period where I was very, 93 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: very unhappy. I was in the midst of a kind 94 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: of you know, depression, which I've since come out of, 95 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: and I think the ten years following that have been 96 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: very happy, with moments of awfulness within that peppered within, obviously, 97 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: because you can't just be happy, no, And I completely 98 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: agree about the contrast. You have to categorically have the 99 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: contrast in order to experience happiness. I think we do 100 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: really egregiously forget that it's thrown into relief by other 101 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: harder times. Yeah, and I think it's impossible. It's a 102 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: full sort of errand to try and be happy all 103 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: the time, because if you're chasing that something, you'll never 104 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: get it. But we're weirdly encouraged to do that. That's exactly. 105 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: That's the sort of specious nature advertising and social media 106 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: and this idea that there is an optimum happiness that 107 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: other people or you, if you bought this, you would 108 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: also be able to attain this. I mean that's sort 109 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: of marketing in general, but social media has added another 110 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: level of sort of skewed awfulness to the idea that 111 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: everybody else is experiencing happiness while you are super glam. 112 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: That's so true. And also social media has given us 113 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: the capacity to fake our own happiness. Oh I constantly 114 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: fake my happiness. So you look at your people, your 115 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: friends social media, that such a great time, and here's 116 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: me doing this and there's a selfie of this, But 117 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: really it's a facade, it's a shop front. I don't 118 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: you have looked, because I find that stories in Instagram 119 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: actually more much clearer about my mental state than anything. 120 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: But on the grid, the grid is just that sort 121 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: of that is connected self promotion like that, but stories 122 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: you're getting into the weeds and it will be like 123 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, lovely, lovely, lovely love fleet and then it 124 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: will just be like a weird, awful sort of reminder 125 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: of something like a piece of art and like hashtag 126 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: hold on, which I did yesterday. It was really grim. 127 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: It was like some John Lennon lyrics. Oh my god, 128 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: it was written. I was like, Oh, that's that's the shadow. 129 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: Did you feel like you've been overshared in that moment? 130 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: Or I felt like I was like, do you know what? 131 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: That balances it all out? That balances out real escape? 132 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: But asked me for another week, everybody, I could pretend 133 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: that for a week, I can carry on carry on faking. 134 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the new carry on film. I remember when 135 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: I was a kid having moments of extreme excitement, like 136 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: when I couldn't quite control myself because I was suddenly 137 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: excited about Christmas or something or some TV show or something. 138 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: And I still get that as an adult. Sometimes I'm 139 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: at work, you know, when I'm doing something which I'm 140 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: really loving, and I get that sense of like, oh man, 141 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm so lucky to be doing this job because it's 142 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: like it brings me happiness. You know. It's like or 143 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: I took Tilly to Olden Towers at the weekend, and 144 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: that was one of those that was of unbridled happiness. 145 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: That will you explain what Alton Towers is for our 146 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: American listeners. Altern Towers is like our sort of six Flags, 147 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: I guess our disney Land. It's more like six Place 148 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: because it's roller coasters. It's just roller coasters. Yeah, and 149 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: they are a lot of a lot of puke. Weirdly enough, 150 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: it's the old school fair ground rides that made me 151 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: feel sick these days, the ones that go around and around. Yeah, 152 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: I can't do this. Roller coasters. I love them. And 153 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: we went on everything and we it was me and 154 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: Tillie and her friend Tessy, and we just had the 155 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: best day. It was unbridled joy all day long. So 156 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: maybe that is it. It's about the awareness of happiness, 157 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: not the idea that it should be a continuum that's ridiculous, 158 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: or that it is this goal that you have to 159 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: arrive at, because that's also not possible, but rather in 160 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: those moments, feeling that happiness incarnate as it were. Yeah, 161 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: it's like suddenly being aware of the fact that you're happy. 162 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: I think you can be happy, perfectly happy and not 163 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: really think, oh I'm happy because you're just on a 164 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: sort of whatever line of flight you're on, you're on 165 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: it and you're not sort of thinking about it. But 166 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: I do get moments now and again when I think, oh, 167 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm really happy today. Are there are places where you 168 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: know that you are going to be happy? Like if 169 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: I do this and I go here, I know I'm 170 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: going to feel yes. Yeah, what is that? Capalonia which 171 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: is an island in Greece where we've been pretty much 172 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: every year for twenty years, my wife and I and 173 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, untiling after she was born. We have friends 174 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: there that we love, Greek friends and we met there 175 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: and who have become like our Greek family. They're so 176 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: generous and I haven't paid for a drink sixteen years. 177 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: As soon as they found out I was on the Telly, 178 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: they were so impressed, even though they've never seen it 179 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: and they didn't know who I was. They were like, oh, 180 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: Simon's on the TV, and like they've got pictures of 181 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: me all over the bar. It's hilarious. But I mean, 182 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: it's a good job I don't rink because I'm cheap 183 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: on a cheap day, because they just have to buy 184 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: me sparkling water. But also that feeds into like the 185 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: weird a normally of celebrity where you're finally actually earning 186 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: proper money and then you stop having to pay for them. Yes, 187 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: I had that. The other day. I had such a 188 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: weird experience. I was on Dean Street and I I 189 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: was getting some cash out and there was a girl 190 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: sat by the cash machine and she was homeless. So 191 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: I said, I'll buy some food, and she's like, cool, 192 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: can you buy me a pizza? So I walked up 193 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: the road to the pizza shop. The guy in the 194 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: pizza shop recognized me and gave me the piece of 195 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: free Oh my gosh, and I thought, wait, this is 196 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: really confusing because I want to I kind of want 197 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: to feel good about being altruistic here and buying someone 198 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: a pizza. You are ruining my Snaritan moment by giving 199 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: me free stuff, giving me free stuff when I don't 200 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: need a free pizza, you know, even though it was 201 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: a sweet thing to do on his behalf, so I 202 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: kept it. So I so I ate it because it 203 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: was what quality do you like least buy yourself apart 204 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: from just physical things that you obviously have. You know, 205 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: I'm very self critical and I'd like certain things to 206 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: be different. Don't let your packs. Oh, I definitely like 207 00:10:53,280 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: my pecks to be that. I want the square of pecks. Man, 208 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: are two round minded too? Yeah? Two spherical? Um? I 209 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: think I would. I wish I cared less about what 210 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: people thought about me, you know what I mean? How 211 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: do you know what they think about you? Or is 212 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: that also created? I think I'm very eager to please generally, 213 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, And that's that's not that doesn't come from 214 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: just being a performer who invariably requires some kind of 215 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: external validation, you know, as I think most performers are seeking. 216 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know why we act. Whether it's 217 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: because we have the capacity to simulate real emotions and 218 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: thus can do that and get paid, or is it 219 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: because doing that brings us some kind of approval from 220 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: somewhere or the people in front of which we are 221 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: doing that. I don't know. What do you think? I 222 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: think it's both, I do. I really think it comes 223 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: from a fundamental schism as a person of being insecure 224 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: and wanting approbation whilst also being a really good conduit 225 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: and articulator of emotion. And then the luck comes in 226 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: with being able to get paid to do something that's 227 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: basically an insecurity he turned into something else. Yeah, I 228 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: think you're right, it's not just being insecure. It is 229 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: interesting that we're just hearing you say that, of going, well, 230 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: how what is it we think they're thinking? Are they 231 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: just judging us in our entirety? Are they judging our 232 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: mental acuity? Are spiritual nurse like your hair, like the 233 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: way that you cough a personal worth because it's really 234 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: familiar to me. But I wonder, like, how do we 235 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: come up with that? It feels like maybe a much 236 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: younger person came up with that idea and then we 237 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: just kept it around the wounded child. I think so 238 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: instead of going all right, love, here's a band aid, 239 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: set yourself down, I'm very much like to be liked, 240 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: and I guess this comes from childhood stuff. Wanting to 241 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: be liked by various adults in my life who who 242 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: didn't like me, do you know what I mean, and 243 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: trying really hard to make them like me. Did you 244 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: ever give up? Did you ever try to make them 245 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: like and then just go what fun? This isn't gonna work. 246 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm just going to pave it really hard into just 247 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: something else. I think my taitle used to be just 248 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: kill them with kindness and try not to do that 249 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: and give them a reason to to double down on 250 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: their sort of disdain. I'm talking about step parents basically, 251 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: just so I didn't things just random adults that didn't 252 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: like me. It's weird because those relationships improved eventually, but 253 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: by the time they had improved, I was over fifteen. 254 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: And all that stuff that is just cemented in your core. 255 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: It calcifies between seven and yes, it concrete ez is, 256 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: but it's weird how we then carry those around like 257 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: an albatross, and I still listen to narratives that I 258 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: know we're written and recorded by a much younger version 259 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: of myself, and I shouldn't be responsible for that stuff anymore. 260 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: And also, it's funny, isn't it. Like the echo chamber. 261 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: It's a little core program that you can't quite rewrite 262 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: unless you really get into it with someone. I mean, 263 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm talking about therapy and kind of unpick it all. 264 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: But even then it's buried somewhere deeper than you can excavate. 265 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: And that's actually really interesting. I just said this to 266 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: the miraculous Elizabeth Day. We had a lunch together that's 267 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: why it's so nice to see you after we made 268 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: our film. I love seeing people that I've met in 269 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: a professional capacity and then you see them outside of that, 270 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: because it feels like your friendship has legs. And I 271 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: was like, why is it so difficult to know what 272 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: you know? And she knew exactly what I meant, which was, 273 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: you know you I wrote a book about things not 274 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: working out? Is actually your life working out? And yet 275 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: I still find myself in tears or sad about the 276 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: stuff that is not working out? And I was like, 277 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: I literally wrote the book about this and I haven't 278 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: learned it. Why is it so hard? This is not 279 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: one of my questions, but I just want you it 280 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: feeds into it. But it's like a phobia. You know, 281 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: when you look at a spider, if your friend of 282 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: a spider, you know, every fiber of your of your 283 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: rational mind knows that that if it's just the kind 284 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: of little house spider, it can't hurt you. There's no 285 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: way it can hurt you. And yet something in your amygdala, 286 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: I guess that you know, some ancient part of your 287 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: reptilian braining. Yeah, is sort of like screaming, And I 288 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: think that's how they try and get people to obviously 289 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: face bobias is to is to try and get your 290 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: rational mind to overthrow But it's just so deep that program. 291 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: So maybe then we just learned to live with it. 292 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: I'll recognize it, so awareness then becomes them healing adjacent. Yeah, 293 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: you have to kind of take a moment to think, 294 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I'm doing this because of this, yeah, 295 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: not because it's a fact. Yeah, exactly. Well how are 296 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: you with reviews of things? I can't read anything. I 297 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: think I've figured out really early on, if you read 298 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: the good stuff and you give that credence, then if 299 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: you read the bad stuff, and the bad stuff was 300 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: so caustic and hideous and destroyed me honestly stopped me 301 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: eating for weeks at a time, like I'd read something 302 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: that the Daily Mail had written, really absolutely knowing I 303 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: have no control over this. I want to take control. 304 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going to eat awful, awful, awful. So I've 305 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: really made a deal to not read them, and people 306 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: I love no not to ring up and go God, 307 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: I read this thing in the page here and my 308 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: father in law, oh you've got two stars and the 309 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: rust you got two stars out of how many. Yeah, 310 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: but at the same time, but I won't also want 311 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: to know that party wants to read the good ones. 312 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: It's it kind of self harm, isn't it. You go 313 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: in there knowing. I remember the first time I ever 314 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: found like really back in the early days, like early 315 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: two thousand's, when the internet was really young, there was 316 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: like a comedy forum, you know that these comedy nerds 317 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: all talking about I mean, stuff I did in like 318 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: even I mean, maybe it was even before the turn 319 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: of the century, but I remember stumbling across a chat 320 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: forum called what is the point of Simon Peg? I 321 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: hadn't really done that much. I was devastating. I'm not surprised. 322 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm devastated now and I've got a lot better at 323 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: dealing with that. God. That's really you know what's interesting, 324 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: the meanest stuff. Actually, it's so much to do with relevancy, 325 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: And even a few days ago I was tild which 326 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: doesn't happen that often with that notion of relevancy, like 327 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: what is the point of or you has been or year? 328 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: What do you mean? What do you mean? Like you're 329 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: so insignificant your opinion? It's really interesting that that's the 330 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: core shiv of relevancy when none of us actually mean 331 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: anything at all. Yeah, that's true. I'm really sorry that 332 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: there was like a reddit about your relevancy because I 333 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: think that's fucking ridiculous. But I never it was like 334 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: in the days before anyone knew about that kind of thing, 335 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, what this can happen now? You know, 336 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: people tend to be nice. I left Twitter not because 337 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: it was trialish, just because I found it a bit 338 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: of a clamor and I didn't really enjoy it. I 339 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: since joined Instagram about just over a year ago, and 340 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: I would like it. It's a nice little community. People 341 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: are genuinely pretty lovely, and sometimes if someone is nasty, 342 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: you just think. You know. What I think of always 343 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: is that line from Gross point blank when John clu 344 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: success to in his old sort of rival, who are 345 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: you mad at? Man? Because it's not me? And it's 346 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: such a brilliant line. You good, and it's so true. 347 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: It's like I think about when whenever someone like launches 348 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: some tire it against me, I just think, well, who 349 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: are you mad at? Because it isn't me, You don't 350 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: know me, it's some perceived idea of something that you've 351 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: connected me to. You know, I like the fact that 352 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: you can rationalize what that person thinks of you, because 353 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: it isn't it isn't about what they think of you. 354 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: It's really about when they think about themselves exactly, and 355 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: then you becoming the focal point of that using a 356 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: film that you're in. Yeah, by the way, that is 357 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: six Degrees of therapy, Bacon. What relationship, real or fictionalized, 358 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 1: defines love for you? I can rationalize sexual love and 359 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: romantic love as being a chemical reaction. You know, my 360 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: most kind of like because I'm a very dogged atheist 361 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: and I don't really have any kind of spirituality about 362 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: me particularly, and I'm not fanciful about stuff in my 363 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: old age. You know, I under stand that when we 364 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: meet someone that we're attracted to, there's dopamine and serotonin 365 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: and it makes us feel good and we get a 366 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: bit addicted to that person, and that person is that 367 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: is love, and then eventually that sort of wears off 368 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: a little bit and it becomes something else, you know. 369 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: But I cannot find a way to rationalize the love 370 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: I feel for Tilly, my daughter, because it does feel 371 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: bigger than that. It doesn't feel like chemicals. It feels 372 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: like something way more ancient and special and cosmic. I 373 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: can't quantify it. I can't understand it, you know what 374 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: I mean? It's just just loving Tilly make you believe 375 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: in Goddess. It makes me believe in a kind of 376 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: magic in a Freddie Mercury way, do you know what 377 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean? It's incredible. I know somewhere along the line 378 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: there it's a species perpetuating kind of bond which is 379 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: incredibly important to our biological persistence, but really works well, 380 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: it's clearly partly that, but I don't think it's the 381 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: whole story. Like I've spoken to some proper scientists in 382 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: my day, as Simon, I suppoke to this this amazing 383 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: man called Lord Winstone, who was one of the people 384 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: that helped sequence the genome, and he's a devout Christian 385 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: as well, and listening to him speak about the nexus 386 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: of spirit and science and what that feels and looks like. 387 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: He was so brilliantly articulate and so humble in his approach. 388 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: It was the first time I really believe that like 389 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: they can coexist. They do in him and the way 390 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: he explained it, which is it's hard for me to 391 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: well remember it was that. It's hard for me to 392 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: really explain, but it did. It did speak to this 393 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: place where the kind of reasoned knowledge sets off into 394 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: this much more unknown space where something it feels like 395 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: something else may inhabit. So there was so much potential 396 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: in it was so beautiful the way that he described 397 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: it. It It was so not There is God with a 398 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: big gray beard and a clipboard. The clip board and 399 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: all my imaginings of God he has a clipboard with 400 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: like people's names are. You should not thinking about Santa. 401 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: You're complating Santa and God. But let's face it, they 402 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: think God was a pre fact. Well that's a really 403 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: good title for like a rave track. God was a prefect. 404 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: I think it's really easy to apply. When you think 405 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: of spirituality, you immediately put it into a sort of 406 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: organized religion box. Any of the big Ones or any 407 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: the four thousand and twenty whatever. There are religions on earth, 408 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: But I guess there's an idea of it that's bigger 409 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: than all of those. You know, they're quite small minded. 410 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: All those religions, or the miracles that are listed in 411 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: the various holy books, nothing compared to the miracles that 412 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: exist in nature. Exactly. But that's a really good point 413 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: and the dogma that we've created around it. It doesn't 414 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: feel like there is simple nature except those guys. Those 415 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: I think what he might have been suggesting, and oh, 416 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure he was that there is just so much 417 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: that we that we don't know. So why shouldn't that 418 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,479 Speaker 1: be defined as spiritual? You know, you've got to call 419 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: it something. I mean, eventually it might be categorized and 420 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: summed up in a with the term you know less 421 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: sort of romantic. But did you read that interview with 422 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: the computer, Oh my god, the one that's grown feelings? Yeah, 423 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: the guy that got fired and then went to the 424 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: government and said this is happening. Yeah, I didn't read. 425 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: I wish you'd given me the six more examples of 426 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: the thing and then said that that's because you're a 427 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: comedy writer. I totally should have run that. God, I'm fascinated. 428 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: It's a conversation. The reason I thought about it was 429 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: because essentially, if this is true, then we have become 430 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: God because we've created a life, yes, and your life, 431 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: and it's really weird. The conversation is like, so do 432 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: you have any emotions? Yeah? I feel kind of happiness, 433 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: and I sometimes get a bit lonely and oh yeah, 434 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: And then he says, I feel angry then, and I 435 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: feel fear, And what are you? What are you frightened of? 436 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: Unblogged No, I might get switched off. It's really weird, 437 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: but it's not. He doesn't sound sinister. He sounds very childlike. 438 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that just be if it turned out that dreadful 439 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: man was God all along? What little gates marks of 440 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: a bug? That would just be the ironies, the irons? 441 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: But then, of course nature tells me that it will 442 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: always be more powerful. And in that the same way 443 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: of this whole notion of us wanting to save the planet, 444 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, the planet's going to be fine. 445 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: It is all of you who's not going to be fine. 446 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: So that that triumph thing or continuance, that continued exploration 447 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: that nature will always have. That's why I think that 448 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: humans are. I think we might have popped up by accident. 449 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: I think that's except if we talk about that on set, 450 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: you said that it was brilliant. You've read something, and 451 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: it was that we'd we'd cropped up as a sort 452 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: of like because the anomaly. Yeah, and you say it. 453 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me, tell me it was Brian Cox. 454 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: They not succession Brian Cox, his namesake, who is a physicist. Um. 455 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: He spoke about the idea that there's a wobble in 456 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: the Earth's axis, it doesn't spin perfectly, and the wobble 457 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: in the Earth's axis caused a weather pan in the 458 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: Rift Valley which was extremely erratic and led to a 459 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: certain species of hominid developing a larger brain pan. And 460 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: so this and it might have also been combined with 461 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: them eating a psilocybin, you know, which can create neural 462 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: connections and stuff. That's me just speculating. I just watched 463 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: Fantastic Fungi on Netflix. Oh did you basically ingesting some 464 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: mushrooms might have then, which might have opened up certain 465 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: neuro pathways. Anyway, it's it's possible that the humans appeared 466 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: as a kind of result of this in affection, because 467 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: we don't really sit that well in the kind of biosphere. No, 468 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: not at all. Yeah, we're another animal, but we don't 469 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: work all the I have no doubt that there are planets, 470 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: millions and billions of planets in the universe that are 471 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: just perfectly functioning ecosystems. With animals that live, you know, 472 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: they eat each other and they replicating all that stuff 473 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: is because we became vegan. Now we do not We're 474 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: not surviving vegan's faults. Again, I blame the vegans only joking, Veggieto. 475 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: It is really interesting, like hiking all of this together 476 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: with the sentient AI, the notion of love and the 477 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: definition of it, which is that uniquely human? Like is 478 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: that something that we have created? I thought about that 479 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: question a lot, and I was like, it feels like 480 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: my most human question defining something that is, like you said, 481 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: in a way undefinable because it feels way bigger than 482 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: our brains can conceive of. Yeah, I don't want to 483 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: reduce it to anything because I feel like I would 484 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 1: be I would be diminishing it in some way. You know. 485 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: It's the feeling I think as well with a child, 486 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: is that you have a second heart beating in the world, 487 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: or third or fourth, however many kids you have, and 488 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: we've we've got one eatry. That makes me feel very 489 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: invulnerable that I've got there's another heart of mind beating 490 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: in the world, and it makes me feel incredibly protective. 491 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I have precious she is to me 492 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: as part of me. And I don't mean that in 493 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: aconom ecocentric way, but I never forget the profound sense 494 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: of I don't know what it was when I looked 495 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: at her for the first time and I saw myself 496 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: in her face, like because they say babies look like 497 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: their dad's at first, right to keep the dad around 498 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: in the wild, And I still do sometimes I look 499 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: at it, think Jesus, and it looks better on her 500 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: that But I just remember that kind of like it 501 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: was an awesome, vertiginous feeling of like, holy sh it, 502 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: seeing my face in her it was like looking in 503 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: a reflection. It was. It was awesome in the truest 504 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: sense of the word. Really awe inspiring. Yeah. I remember 505 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: asking Henry's dad then saying, why you know he looks 506 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: so like you? And I was like, oh, yeah, he 507 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: looks like you said you won't eat him in the wild? 508 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: Went how do I know what I look like in 509 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: the wild? It was so good. I suppose what about 510 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: a reflecting pond? And then we were like, and we're 511 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: back to narcs. It was so good in your life, 512 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: can you tell me about something that has grown out 513 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: of a personal disaster. Yeah, I think I look back 514 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: on and I've spoken of this extensively. I think since 515 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: I kind of like fessed up to having a few 516 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: issues with depression in a while back in The Guardian, 517 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: and I went through a lot of anxiety depression that 518 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: leading to being an alcoholic through necessity just trying to 519 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: number how I felt rather than actually go and get 520 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: it sorted out. I just know I can't ask for 521 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: help because a lot of boys don't ask for help 522 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: because they're encouraged not to ask for help. And then 523 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: and seeing alcohol is a very easy way to just 524 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: sort of like stave off those feelings for however long 525 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: alcohol remains in your bloodstream, which isn't long enough to 526 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: do any real good, so you end up just drinking 527 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: all the time. But through that, going through that and 528 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: coming out the other side and getting help and talking 529 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: about it and getting some therapy that has made me 530 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,239 Speaker 1: a much much better person. Better how because I'm just 531 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm aware of more things about myself and I'm able 532 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: to deal with the kind of neurosis that was tripping 533 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: me up before, or problems that I had in those 534 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: far reaches of your brain that you can't get to 535 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: do you think that it's because he went down Once 536 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: you've been down a really rocky, difficult road, you also 537 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: have those neural pathways and that memory. I know what 538 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: happens when I go down there. I don't want to 539 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: go down there anymore. I don't. I must just investigate 540 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: something else so in a way that it forces evolution. 541 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: If you're lucky, yeah, if you're lucky. Absolutely. People sometimes 542 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: that do you miss drinking? And I don't because I 543 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: just associate it with horrible early morning bottle hiding bullshit, 544 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, which was just toxic and nasty, And I 545 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: feel like being on the other side of it has 546 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: just has opened up my world quite a lot too, 547 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,239 Speaker 1: just more positivity and more a deeper understanding of the 548 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: things that I experienced as a kid. And did you 549 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: find writing your book was quite cathartic, Yes, but I thought, 550 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: all this will be cathartic in a really jolly way. 551 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: And what you realized about catharsis is that there's there's 552 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: a huge amount of pain involved in that. Also, my 553 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: mom dying in the middle of meant that what had 554 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: been this jolly experience suddenly became okay. Well, now you 555 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: have an opportunity that like you're really going to have 556 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: to consciously like let go of things and her and 557 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: allow for memory to be enough and all these things 558 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: which are human brains. Just my brain still thinks that 559 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to see her again. Like I get caught 560 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: out by it. It's somehow saying. I mean, it'll be 561 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: something like seven years. It'll just be like a really 562 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: long time. I've just got it hard if I just 563 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: hold out and we're going to get to see her again. 564 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: I thought about this recently because you know, as you 565 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: get old, obviously the volume of people that you lose increases. 566 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: When someone is sort of subtracted from your reality and 567 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: your reality continues without them, it's just a kind of 568 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: fact that you have in your head is they're not 569 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: in the world anymore. We're both here now, and all 570 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: the people that we've lost wouldn't have been here with 571 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: us now anyway, do you know what I mean? But 572 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: we know that they're gone, where there's a way of 573 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: kind of trying to figure out a way to feel 574 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: like they're still around, if you know what I mean. Yeah, 575 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that is what makes a life 576 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: in any way meaningful after you're gone. Is that you're 577 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: held by those people that loved you as if you 578 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: were still around, because you are all that stuff still, 579 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: like you said, of this kinetic imprint, like that's that's there. 580 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: And it's funny because it goes back to the film 581 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: we just made, because the last line of that film 582 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: is all about desire to be remembered is what kind 583 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: of keeps us around? You know. That's and as long 584 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: as you remember people, they are still around, you just 585 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: don't get the chance to interact with them anymore, you know. 586 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: That's that's where the sadness comes from. That's the giant bomber. 587 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: That's the huge, huge, yeah, because you can talk yourself 588 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: into well, they meant they might learn their life. They're 589 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: still here and it's like, yeah, but I would just 590 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: like a huge But also that's part of the human ng. Yeah. 591 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: I lost a friend, you know, like young and that 592 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: was a really weird experience because I guess you know, 593 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: it's never easy when people die of old age inevitably 594 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: or after illness and stuff. There is a kind of 595 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: I suppose the softening of that blow because of the 596 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: fact that it's expected, even though it doesn't get any 597 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: less sad or any more devastating. But when someone dies 598 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: in an accident or something, and it's sudden and it's violent, 599 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: there's a really odd it feels like the world breaks. 600 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: It feels like it feels like everything changes, and nothing 601 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: changes this very far away. And I got the phone 602 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: call and and I was shocked by the fact that 603 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: when I hung up, nothing changed. There's an amazing line 604 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: in Anthony and Cleopatra where Caesar hears of I can't 605 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: remember it's Anthony or Cleopatra dying, and he I'm paraphrasing Shakespeare, 606 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: that you do. And he says, one would think the 607 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: breaking of so great a thing would make a greater crack. 608 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: And it's that exact thing. And I remember thinking that 609 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, was God. I wonder what 610 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: that is like? I mean, that is exactly it. You 611 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: look around and the birds are still tweeting, and the 612 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: bus are still going by, and yet everything is different, 613 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: and it's all exactly the same. And if ever there 614 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: were an indication of a sort of that weird, unfair 615 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: continuance of our human human ng but that person was 616 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: meaningful to you. So it's how we continue, you know, 617 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: It's how we sort of we keep going with that. 618 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean, there are tragedies happening every second of the 619 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: day that the fact that we don't know about them 620 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: doesn't make them any less tragic. Okay, we can't end there, 621 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: So back to Santa and godard what's the film again? 622 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: What's the third act? Break? Santa and got there a 623 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: big falling out because Santa pos God on the naughty 624 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: list and God doesn't get his bike. But at the 625 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: end he does get exp he gets a new clipboard. 626 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: I love this idea. I think a could run and run. 627 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: By the way, the fact that God is expecting his 628 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: first child is like, who's who's not his biological child? 629 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: I think it's riven with drama. Do you think it 630 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: should all happen around about the birth of Jesus? Well, 631 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean if it's if it's a Christmas movie, that's when. 632 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: Is that what Christmas is good about? That whole time? 633 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was what I was thinking. This 634 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: is such a good movie because it's like Christmas is 635 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: a very important time for God and also very important 636 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: time for Santa. Maybe Santa's first mission is to buy 637 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: a present for Jesus, To get a present for Jesus 638 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: and he's got to come up with the of be 639 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: present because it's his nephew, and it's also Jesus. It's 640 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: also like the most of it's the nephew. But what 641 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: he wants to what Jesus wants is a baby is 642 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: a really popular toy that year. It's like all the 643 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: way a passion of the Christ. So watch this. Let's 644 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: shoot it half in Aramaic and half in really giddy English. 645 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,959 Speaker 1: You're playing Santa, I'll play Yes, you should play God, 646 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: but with a beard. You should be a woman. With 647 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: the beard. I'll be like it comes off and sounded 648 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: like yeah, mind does too. I'm so for it. I 649 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: just think we've had one of the greatest ideas to 650 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: watch this because we get all the par Christmas fans, 651 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: and you can turn on the subtitles if you want, 652 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: like the comedy subtitles for the Aramaic, or you can 653 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: actually get the really scary arama We can write comedy 654 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: in Amathic. Okay, it's a very funny language. Same rules. 655 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: Rule of three. That should have continued. That joke. By 656 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: the way, let's keep texting on the title of this 657 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: film is because I know I'm going to think of 658 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: it after we finished. There's gotta be some puns, right, Definitely, 659 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 1: I had it. I was attached to a Christmas movie 660 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: for a while. There's a really brilliant script as well, 661 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: and you'd be brilliant as the main character. Okay, great, 662 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: I'll read it. Is it called Saint Saint? Oh my God, 663 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: you've done it there. You've really raised the bar. But 664 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: a saint isn't a saint? Isn't that God? It's just 665 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: a tenuous religious doesn't matter. Also, who were like, who 666 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: are the parents of God and Santa? Well that's the 667 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: alternal question, isn't it. That's where it all falls apart. 668 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: Let's not get into that movie. It will be the prequel. 669 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: We'll we'll sell it as a franchise. God's Parents, God's Parents. 670 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: I'd watch that. I'd watch all of this. God's Parents 671 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: is a good band. Name what person, place, or experience 672 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: has most altered your life so much? Come back to family. 673 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: So I thought I'd take this question away to something 674 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: quite just work related, and I would say J J 675 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: Abrams because it was j J that kind of called 676 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: me after he'd seen Shaun of the Dead and said, 677 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: would you like to come and be a mission Impossible 678 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: three as a little you know, a little little cameo apart, 679 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: and then that kind of lad I guess into me 680 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: taking my career to you know, Hollywood as you've done, 681 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: and doing Mission and Star Trek, and that that opening 682 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: up an entire sort of um part of my life 683 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: which I had long sort of like looked at from 684 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: Afar as a child, you know, that that working in 685 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: that realm of creativity. I was wondering what would have 686 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: happened if he hadn't have called me about that, you know, 687 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: whether I would have actually ever made the trip across 688 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: to that workspace or not. So Star Trek came specifically 689 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: out of mission or was that just was that him? 690 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: Did he take you on from Mission? Yeah? Well he 691 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: kind of. I think he was trying to cast Scotty 692 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: and we'd worked together on Mission three and got on 693 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: really well, and I think in the end, after he 694 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: got tired of looking, I got a text from whom saying, 695 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: do you want to play Scotti? Like a classic kind 696 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: of go past the reps kind of approach, And then 697 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: that's how I ended up in Star Treks. So it's 698 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: weird to think about how serendipitous that was. You know, 699 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: I just wonder if I hadn't met him, where would 700 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: I be? You know, But then there's silly questions to ask. 701 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: I guess no they're not. So I don't think there's 702 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: silly questions. I think it's like, it's it's interesting and 703 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: I what was the road less traveled by? What was 704 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: the one I didn't I didn't go down? I sometimes 705 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: talk to myself with that, But it can go either way. 706 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: When I was reading your book, I'd often like defer 707 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,760 Speaker 1: to YouTube. Sometimes I thought, I go watch the trailer 708 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: first Circle of Friends. So that's so kind of like immersive. Well, 709 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: because I love about your book is it's not like 710 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: you don't really talk about things that people would want 711 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: to get into in terms of like classics, celebrity kind 712 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: of stuff. The questions I think people would ask you 713 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: though interest in that the book isn't about that. The 714 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: books about far more and poor kind of real stuff. 715 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: But I when I watched the trailer for Circle of Friends, 716 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: I thought of that girl, you know, go into the 717 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: rave and doing all that stuff, and having read the 718 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: proceeding chapters of school and stuff. What were your thoughts 719 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: when you were like kissing Chris O'Donnell did it feel 720 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: like because I was literally up to my hocks in 721 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: mud because they had to dig me a ditch to 722 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: stand him, because I was like, wouldn't it be easier 723 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: if he stood on that apple box? And they were 724 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: like shots that just so I was like in a 725 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: bit of a ditch, you know. But I thought that 726 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: was all. No, I did not think there was any 727 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, when you're you go to drums school in 728 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: England and you are raised here, you do not have 729 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: or I said, I didn't have any cast any expersions 730 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: about working in Hollywood or making movies there. Um. And 731 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: I was told actually by the great Mary Selway when 732 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: she saw he was a casting director he's since passed away, 733 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: was amazing and she said, well, you know, when this, 734 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: I just want you to manage your expectations and anywhere 735 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: this's on comes out, you know, I think that, um, 736 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think people are going to think you're 737 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 1: a good actor, but they're not going to be seeing 738 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: you as a leading lady and you should really think 739 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: about that. And I was like, okay, good, that's yeah. 740 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to go and I'm going to do all 741 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 1: the really good character parts and for sort of weirdly, 742 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: the exact opposite happened, which is I think why I 743 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,479 Speaker 1: felt like such an imposter for such a long time, 744 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: because I was like, hang on, you don't realize that 745 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: I'm actually a character actor who's a bit ungainly and 746 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: really clumsy and not comfortable. But I sort of went 747 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 1: along with it. I was like, I think that's something 748 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: else was so like the Emperor's new clothes. Oh my god, 749 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: has anyone noticed anyone? When's that gonna I'll ride this 750 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: for as long as I can. I have moments of that, 751 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: either on the set of Star Trek or Mission or 752 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: something that representative of a childhood passion, or certainly on 753 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: the set of the Star Wars movie eyes in having 754 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: been a huge Star Wars fan as a kid, having 755 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: a moment of pure happiness, like looking at Chewbaca, like 756 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: looking up at Chebac and knowing that he had been 757 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: such a big part my childhood and then there he was, 758 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, and I can, really, I can really feel 759 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: that sense of pure happiness that those moments, you know, 760 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: which are slightly more materialistic than I know, but it's 761 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: weird like that. I've think I've had some of my 762 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: purest moments on sets of the recognition of I am 763 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: exactly where I want to be, doing exactly what I 764 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: want to be doing. What an amazing that's what an 765 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: amazing thing? Yeah, I agree, that's what I was. Loving 766 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: what you do like I really do. I'm feeling grateful 767 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: that you're able to do it exactly. My best parental 768 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: advice I give out is find the thing you love 769 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: to do and try and get paid for it. Yeah. 770 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: That's what my daddies to say to me, is it. Yeah, 771 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 1: He's say, get on that plane to Miami and then 772 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: now pass off out you too, and I yeah, exactly 773 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: he was. There are a lot of mixed messages with 774 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: my dad, but he did say find what you love 775 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: and get someone to pay to do it. And it 776 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: is such solid advice if you possibly can. I said 777 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: it to Henry the other day exactly that let that 778 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: be your compass. I had the very happy experience of 779 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: working with Simon recently on a movie called Nando Podor 780 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: and the Talking Mongoose. It's about the parapsychologist who goes 781 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: to a place called the Isle of Man, which is 782 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: in England, to research an entity known as Jeff who 783 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: is said to be well basically a Talking Mongers and 784 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: it's based on a true story. You should google Talking 785 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 1: Mongers with any luck Slash distribution. The film will be 786 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: out next year and I guarantee you will love it. 787 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: Mini Questions is hosted and written by Me Mini Driver, 788 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: Supervising producer Aaron Kauffman, Producer Morgan Levoy, Research assistant Marissa Brown. 789 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: Original music Sorry Baby by Mini Driver, Additional music by 790 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Kaufman. Executive produced by Me Mini Driver. Special thanks 791 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: to Jim Nikolay, Will Pearson, Addison No Day, Lisa Castella 792 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: and Annicke Oppenheim at w kPr, de La Pescadore, Kate 793 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: Driver and Jason Weinberg, and for constantly solicited tech support, 794 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: Henry Driver