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Speaker 1: He's ranked all the college quarterbacks who will be eligible
Speaker 1: for the draft, and it's time to start tanking for
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams oh Drake May. If you're the Arizona Cardinals
Speaker 1: and you got two first round picks.
Speaker 2: Take them both.
Speaker 1: Yes, we want to make sure that we don't screw
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Speaker 1: we going to explore. In the final hour of Approke.
Speaker 3: Hour two, we had I'm most scared of encountering a bear,
Speaker 3: sharker alligator. Right now, fifty six percent of the audience
Speaker 3: saying a shark. Nobody wants to encounter a shark. Okay,
Speaker 3: that sounds terrible. Bear is coming in at second with
Speaker 3: a thirty seven percent. Not too many people scared alligator.
Speaker 1: I don't want to encounter any of them. And then
Speaker 1: you find out an alligator can run thirty miles an hour.
Speaker 3: But alligators, how many videos have you seen of people,
Speaker 3: you know, at a golf course or whatever and you're like, hey,
Speaker 3: there's an hour over there.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I was at a golf resort, this is
Speaker 1: years ago, and there was an alligator and he was
Speaker 1: right outside of the pond there and one of the
Speaker 1: guys I'm with, he's like, how fast do you think
Speaker 1: that thing is? I said, he only has to be
Speaker 1: fast enough to catch the slowest of us. Let's not
Speaker 1: go over there. So he goes over there and next
Speaker 1: thing you know, that thing turned so quickly with its
Speaker 1: tail and nearly took out his feet like sweat. You know,
Speaker 1: it would have been the karate kid taking him his
Speaker 1: feet out.
Speaker 4: Yes, pump, I think these alligators are playing a long
Speaker 4: game for a couple of decades.
Speaker 2: They're setting this up.
Speaker 4: They're just hanging at golf course and like, look, he's
Speaker 4: not doing anything. I'll take a picture and maybe like
Speaker 4: two or three years from now, they're like, Okay, it's
Speaker 4: feeding time, it's go time.
Speaker 1: How long do they live?
Speaker 2: Alligators?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Checking or crocodiles. How long do bears live?
Speaker 3: Average lifespan?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How long are is a life span of a shark?
Speaker 2: Alligators? Thirty to fifty years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know they may go, oh, there's that
Speaker 1: stupid guy tried to do this. You know, I'm back in.
Speaker 1: You know, ninety two.
Speaker 3: Brown bears getting you solid twenty to thirty, Okay.
Speaker 1: What about sharks?
Speaker 3: Grizzlies can live up to forty four years?
Speaker 1: Oh, what the heck?
Speaker 3: Okay, unfair?
Speaker 2: Sharks anywhere from fifteen to thirty years.
Speaker 1: What's the whole question for the final hour? Sleeepers, creepers,
Speaker 1: you know what?
Speaker 5: Else?
Speaker 3: We also had to today's recency bias pole question, which
Speaker 3: sounds cooler? Slam dunk champion, home run derby champion that
Speaker 3: stills holding that solid seventy two to twenty eight. We're
Speaker 3: just down on the slam dunk contest.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I think it's more impressive to hit
Speaker 1: a home run than to have a dunk.
Speaker 3: Just say, just say I've hit home runs, I can't
Speaker 3: come close to dunking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me and you are home run guys in the room,
Speaker 1: so you know how it is. Yeah, Marvin, could you
Speaker 1: ever dunk?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 7: I could grab the room with both hands, but I
Speaker 7: never coordinate, like just the.
Speaker 1: Kind of but you know what you're missing? What's that
Speaker 1: bigger hands? That's no. No, But that's why he can.
Speaker 1: He can't dunk because he couldn't pawn the ball.
Speaker 7: That is a legit.
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, that's all I'm just pointing out to find Yes,
Speaker 1: having been the only guy in the room who could
Speaker 1: dunk or hit a home run, you know.
Speaker 7: Oh, don't disrespect twelve year old Marvin tnj autobody.
Speaker 1: No, no, no home run and dunk those I did
Speaker 1: the combo.
Speaker 3: You could like your junior year in high school, probably
Speaker 3: accomplished both of those things.
Speaker 1: Yes I could. Yeah. Dan Wetzel, Yahoo's Ford's national columnists
Speaker 1: since two thousand and three, New York Times best selling
Speaker 1: author joins us on the program. You've been writing about
Speaker 1: the situation at Northwestern. What issues do you have with
Speaker 1: this story?
Speaker 8: I guess my biggest if you want to call it
Speaker 8: an issue, is we just don't really know the full
Speaker 8: scope of what happened. Northwestern did this seven month investigation.
Speaker 8: They get the whistleblower complaint last November. They hire an
Speaker 8: outside law firm. They spend about seven months on this
Speaker 8: interview fifty plus people, go through all the texts, emails,
Speaker 8: they're doing player surveys through the years. Sounds very comprehensive
Speaker 8: for what was going on in the culture of the
Speaker 8: locker room. And then as a private institution, they don't
Speaker 8: have to release this document, this investigation the way you
Speaker 8: would if you were a public school and this was
Speaker 8: a public document, so they really an executive summary that
Speaker 8: has zero details into what actually happened, and let alone
Speaker 8: kind of the context and the perspectives and things like that,
Speaker 8: and so you know, no one really knows what the
Speaker 8: situation was. They suspend, the president suspends Pat Fitzgerald on Friday,
Speaker 8: says okay, I've read, He's obviously read this whole thing,
Speaker 8: and says two week suspension. I thought that was very
Speaker 8: naive not to release the whole thing for everyone to
Speaker 8: see and get out in front of this story. And
Speaker 8: then the story comes out in the student newspaper and
Speaker 8: on ESPN that the original complaintant is telling his side
Speaker 8: of the story, which could be one percent accurate in
Speaker 8: all of that, But we don't have any of the
Speaker 8: other perspective of the other fifty plus people that shaped
Speaker 8: the original decision. And once the details of the complaint
Speaker 8: come out out, all of a sudden three days later,
Speaker 8: half of the cherild's fired.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 8: I think the rest of us are left to say,
Speaker 8: I don't truly know, we can assume the worst, we
Speaker 8: can assume this, or that, we don't really know what
Speaker 8: happened and why. On Friday? Was it good enough for
Speaker 8: West for I'm sorry for Northwestern to say you're suspended
Speaker 8: for two weeks and then on Monday you know you're fired,
Speaker 8: You're done, get out of here. That's a dramatic switch
Speaker 8: in three days when no real new information had come out.
Speaker 1: And that's where I started to go, Okay, let me
Speaker 1: look at the timeline. Here, usually Friday news dump. Here
Speaker 1: we are in July, and it almost felt like, hey,
Speaker 1: can we sneak this one by the goalie here and
Speaker 1: he's been suspended for two weeks. It felt like once
Speaker 1: we knew he was suspended for two weeks, then our
Speaker 1: curiosity was, well, wait a minute, what gets you suspended
Speaker 1: for two weeks in July and not maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of game aims or how serious is this because nothing
Speaker 1: changed from Friday to Monday except for Pat Fitzgerald got fired.
Speaker 8: Well yeah, that and and some of the details started
Speaker 8: coming out. And that's why I think Northwestern I'm not
Speaker 8: here to say Pat Fitzgerald should should or should not
Speaker 8: have his job or they acted in the Maybe they
Speaker 8: should have fired him on Friday and they made a
Speaker 8: mistake then and they corrected it on Monday. I don't
Speaker 8: know all. I'm just looking at it from afar. We
Speaker 8: don't know all the details. There is a big report,
Speaker 8: there is a thorough investigation, and they sat there and said, Okay,
Speaker 8: let's give him two weeks off in the middle of
Speaker 8: summer where nothing is happening at Northwestern. If you're going
Speaker 8: to suspend someone for two weeks, these are the two weeks.
Speaker 2: To do it.
Speaker 8: Literally, no impact on anything. There's barely any recruiting going on. Uh,
Speaker 8: you know, go to your lake house, come back in
Speaker 8: two weeks. We're going to implement this stuff. We will.
Speaker 8: We will root out the culture that's a problem. So
Speaker 8: they were all in agreement on Friday and then the
Speaker 8: details come out. What they sho should have done right
Speaker 8: or wrong, what if it led to this or not
Speaker 8: is released the entire report allow all of the context
Speaker 8: and perspective to come out. I'm not saying any again,
Speaker 8: the complaint could be one hundred accurate, and what is
Speaker 8: described is is troubling and ridiculous and all of those things.
Speaker 8: But many times of this stuff you want the full perspective.
Speaker 8: This was a court this is a this is a
Speaker 8: court case. It's not a criminal court case, it's not
Speaker 8: a civil court case. But it's in the court of
Speaker 8: public opinion. Why are we keeping our coach? Why are
Speaker 8: we firing our coach? What you don't do, if you're
Speaker 8: the school or a defense attorney, is ever just let
Speaker 8: the witness the complaint get up and tell his story
Speaker 8: and then say we have no questions, we have no
Speaker 8: opening statement, we have no rebuttal, we have no witnesses, nothing.
Speaker 8: We're just going to sit here. And that's what Northwestern
Speaker 8: kind of seated the narrative in the court of public opinion.
Speaker 8: And then when it started to shift, perhaps rightfully they can't,
Speaker 8: they all of a sudden change their mind and go
Speaker 8: to the durastic step of firing, So I thought the
Speaker 8: whole I don't know that the result is wrong. I
Speaker 8: just know the way they got to it is highly
Speaker 8: questionable and was botched. And so maybe again they should
Speaker 8: have fired him on Friday. Why did the president not
Speaker 8: fire him on Friday and then on Mondays just say oh,
Speaker 8: I'm just so troubled by this, this guy has to go.
Speaker 8: Instead of saying, look, you know, whatever justification they came
Speaker 8: up with on I assume it's he's been here seventeen years.
Speaker 8: He you know, we can stop. We can stop hazing
Speaker 8: very quickly. This isn't something that's like impossible to stop.
Speaker 8: We can you know, you can stop it right away.
Speaker 8: It'll never happen on the twenty twenty three team. Instead,
Speaker 8: it's just like he's got to go, so really awkward,
Speaker 8: clumsy effort on how they got to this. Maybe it's
Speaker 8: the right decision, maybe it's the wrong one. I just
Speaker 8: neither I nor pretty much anyone other the president of
Speaker 8: Northwestern has any idea about the full context of the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in me, if he's eleven in one last year,
Speaker 1: not one and eleven, he's not as vulnerable. It feels
Speaker 1: like also did coaches know about this. Assistant coaches, the
Speaker 1: new head coach, the interim head coach, players, seniors, you know, juniors.
Speaker 1: Were they culpable in this? You know? Is there sexual
Speaker 1: assault that's in here? Did they violate Northwestern's code of conduct?
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot to unravel here. Other than
Speaker 1: it felt like, hey, two weeks, let's move on, fire
Speaker 1: the coach, let's move on. It just feels like this
Speaker 1: is a ball of yarn, Dan, that is just going
Speaker 1: to keep on unraveling here and might get even uglier.
Speaker 8: Until you released the full report. It's going to keep
Speaker 8: dripping out. That was an extremely naive by Northwestern to
Speaker 8: assume to just say, hey guys, and look when you
Speaker 8: when you suspend someone like Pat Fitzgerald on a Friday
Speaker 8: in the summer, on the week of July fourth, it's
Speaker 8: a news dump to try to high the story, right, Yeah,
Speaker 8: it's such an obvious news dump that it becomes the story.
Speaker 8: Nobody is getting fooled, Like, wait, Pat Fitzgerald is getting suspended?
Speaker 5: What is going on here? Oh?
Speaker 1: We just we just don't worry.
Speaker 8: Uh, just calm down, Let everyone enjoy their weekend, cook
Speaker 8: some hamburgers, and we'll be fine. No, everyone's gonna go
Speaker 8: wait a minute, and and the naivete of thinking the complaintant,
Speaker 8: who is not bound by any confidentiality, is gonna just
Speaker 8: sit there and say, Okay, I'm good with this. I
Speaker 8: definitely will not talk to the media about what I
Speaker 8: so this this complainant saying I didn't get what I
Speaker 8: wanted out of this, so I'm gonna ramp it up
Speaker 8: and I'm gonna tell my story was not told in
Speaker 8: this executive summary. He just said there was some things
Speaker 8: and you know, we'll just move on. He's saying, hey, heck, no,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell my story. And good for him, is
Speaker 8: that right? What he went through, the story he told,
Speaker 8: and what he went through, he deserves to tell his story.
Speaker 8: So he goes out and tells it, and now all right,
Speaker 8: we gotta go yeah. And then you sit there and say, well,
Speaker 8: they won four games in two years. But then on
Speaker 8: the other side, they're trying to raise money for a
Speaker 8: new eight hundred million dollar football stadium, and Pat Fitzgerald
Speaker 8: is extremely popular and connected with the So how much
Speaker 8: at all of these things did that play in on Friday?
Speaker 8: We can't fire this guy. We got to build this
Speaker 8: stadium or was it now well, he wasn't winning anyway,
Speaker 8: nobody knows anything, and everyone's now curious. America loves a mystery,
Speaker 8: and Northwestern created a mystery on something that perhaps was
Speaker 8: a simple solution or perhaps not. But eventually, this, this
Speaker 8: report has to come out because perhaps there is context,
Speaker 8: perhaps there is other witnesses. Perhaps it gets worse.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I don't know what's in the report. Maybe it looks
Speaker 8: even worse, and you go, how the heck did you
Speaker 8: not fire him on Friday? Or maybe you read it,
Speaker 8: go eh, maybe you give the guy another chance. Northwestern,
Speaker 8: trying to hide by this, has done no good on
Speaker 8: a story that I agree is a yarn, a ball
Speaker 8: of yarn that's going to keep going.
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you is always Dan. Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us.
Speaker 8: Thanks Dan, talk to you.
Speaker 1: That's Dan Wetzel. Yeaho's sports national columnist and New York
Speaker 1: Times bestselling author.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the school paper played a role in this,
Speaker 1: in exposing this and going in and be willing to
Speaker 1: find out something that could be ugly, that could reflect
Speaker 1: poorly on your university. And not all journalists will do that. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, the older you get you get friendlier with somebody,
Speaker 1: the coach or the athletic director, and you know, this
Speaker 1: is Northwestern, this isn't the SEC. Well, this is Northwestern,
Speaker 1: and they've struggled here the last couple of years. And
Speaker 1: I think going one and eleven made him very vulnerable.
Speaker 1: If you're eleven in one, not as vulnerable, even though
Speaker 1: you could be guilty of the same things. All Right,
Speaker 1: we'll get phone calls coming out. We'll talk some football
Speaker 1: with Albert Breer. He has ranked all of the college
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who are eligible for the draft, led by Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: You know, we have this every year where we anoint
Speaker 1: a quarterback like that guy can't miss, and then they
Speaker 1: play one more year and then they suddenly can miss.
Speaker 1: You know, you can look at Matt Leiner. You could
Speaker 1: look at Christian Hackenberg. That was his freshman year, so
Speaker 1: he didn't have just one more year. Like if he
Speaker 1: was a freshman and he was eligible, they kept saying
Speaker 1: he'd be the number one overall pick Josh Rosen. You
Speaker 1: know these guys who maybe stay one more year, Like
Speaker 1: you get a glimpse of them and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that guy's unbelievable and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you go maybe not as unbelievable. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, like Matt Barkley, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that guy, Sam Darnold, that guy is
Speaker 1: gonna be great. And then no, you know, he's got
Speaker 1: kind of a loop in his delivery. There. This is
Speaker 1: what happens because now we get to pick. Now you
Speaker 1: get analyzed. Now you're under the microscope.
Speaker 3: Yeh seen, Cale William's getting high praise from people.
Speaker 1: Oh, crazy high praise, crazy praise, Yes, Marv.
Speaker 7: So Mark Sanchez did the right thing by leaving after
Speaker 7: the junior year.
Speaker 1: Probably so even though Pete Carroll was trying to throw
Speaker 1: himself in front of the door. Oh you know, maybe
Speaker 1: Mark wasn't ready, but in his mind he was ready
Speaker 1: and he was ready to get paid. What was he
Speaker 1: the fifth pick overall? So okay, I might not be ready,
Speaker 1: but I'm ready to get paid. Right. So we'll talk
Speaker 1: to Albert Breer about these quarterbacks and also Dalvin Cook
Speaker 1: kind of quiet, DeAndre Hopkins kind of quiet. And it
Speaker 1: feels like that might be training camp situations where you're
Speaker 1: waiting for somebody, like the Jets with Breeze Hall him
Speaker 1: coming back. I wondered about the Cowboys with Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: and how healthy he's going to be. Could you give
Speaker 1: them a little bit more time to get ready? But
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook is going to cost you DeAndre Hopkins? Do
Speaker 1: you want it?
Speaker 5: Gosh?
Speaker 1: If I'm the Patriots, I signed both of them. Like this,
Speaker 1: it's such a faceless franchise. At least I can get
Speaker 1: a couple of guys who were proven. You know, there's
Speaker 1: name recognition, yes, Mark, Yeah.
Speaker 7: The Patriots, I think they have either Week two or
Speaker 7: three or Sunday Night Football. And when I saw the schedules, like, oh.
Speaker 1: Like in Foxboy, well did you actually say oh?
Speaker 7: I said em. I was like, I was like Giants,
Speaker 7: Cowboys Week one. I was like, Okay, let's go get up.
Speaker 1: Patriots and who.
Speaker 7: I don't even know. It didn't even matter, Like that's
Speaker 7: who it is. Let's take a break its Cardinals Patriots.
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Speaker 1: never too early to talk about next year's draft. Albert Breer,
Speaker 1: senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist for the Monday Morning Quarterback.
Speaker 1: He is the Monday Morning Quarterback and he's look at
Speaker 1: the paperwork here. I got on all of these quarterbacks here.
Speaker 1: This is a deep dive. I mean he even went
Speaker 1: to Evan Leary at Kentucky and Washington State's Cameron Ward,
Speaker 1: Dion sanders Son. There's a lot of quarterbacks, but we
Speaker 1: start with Caleb Williams at the top. Are there any
Speaker 1: negatives with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5: It's hard to find one.
Speaker 8: Dan.
Speaker 9: I mean, we're really at the point now where it
Speaker 9: feels like this is encroaching on that Andrew Luck Trevor
Speaker 9: Lawrence category. And I you know, I've been covering the
Speaker 9: league for almost twenty years, and I think over my
Speaker 9: lifetime there are four guys that are sort of in
Speaker 9: a different category from a prospects standpoint at that position.
Speaker 5: John Elway, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 9: That doesn't again, doesn't mean anything as far as what
Speaker 9: they became in the league, but just how they were
Speaker 9: seen coming out of college, and I think the lack
Speaker 9: of flaws with Caleb Williams, and of course we're going
Speaker 9: to pick him apart and he's gonna have all the
Speaker 9: pressure on him this fall because of that. But just
Speaker 9: as far as where they are, you know, going into
Speaker 9: their last year and then where they should be coming
Speaker 9: out of their last year in college, that's where Caleb
Speaker 9: Williams is and Drakes really well thought of too.
Speaker 5: But everybody I've talked to said, there is a gap.
Speaker 9: You know, it's Caleb Williams one gap, Drake May two gap,
Speaker 9: and then the pack. And so Caleb Williams is seen
Speaker 9: that way. Is the sort of generational prospect that Trevor
Speaker 9: Lawrence were Andrew Luckwer over the last fifteen years.
Speaker 1: You are joining us your own vacation, and we appreciate
Speaker 1: you joining us. But I'm looking in the background there
Speaker 1: you got the water, yeah, and there's some there's some kids.
Speaker 1: There are those your kids.
Speaker 5: So my daughter's right here.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, I just there I was.
Speaker 9: And my my my I think my uh, I think
Speaker 9: my my son's trying to make air by driving as
Speaker 9: fast as he can buy the shot on his bike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw him. I saw zoom zoom by
Speaker 1: you there. But that picture is real. The water is
Speaker 1: real behind you there.
Speaker 5: Water is real. Yeah, the boats are real, all of it.
Speaker 9: Todd actually was Todd took me up here and we
Speaker 9: actually had a less scenic shot. And then I said, well,
Speaker 9: hey how about this? So this was this was actually
Speaker 9: his choice.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 9: I like so you know, I'm not test pounding or
Speaker 9: anything else, because for everybody who's out there thinking I'm bragging,
Speaker 9: my summer is officially over in about a week. So
Speaker 9: I'm just getting what i can get while I can
Speaker 9: get it.
Speaker 1: Give me some other names that we should keep an
Speaker 1: eye on this upcoming season that yes, Caleb Williams is one,
Speaker 1: Drake may would be two, and then who's going to
Speaker 1: be that third quarterback off the board, sir?
Speaker 9: Like one name of that kind of kept coming up
Speaker 9: when I talked to more people with Bonnicks at Oregon,
Speaker 9: who you know, I think was seen as a very
Speaker 9: flawed player playing in a flawed offense at Auburn, and
Speaker 9: I think he opened a lot of eyes with what
Speaker 9: did last year at Oregon and being able to do
Speaker 9: that again, even though he lost his offensive coordinator, and
Speaker 9: even though he lost some offensive linemen in a sixth
Speaker 9: year in college, this year I think could get him
Speaker 9: in the first round discussion. I think he's a little
Speaker 9: closer to that than some.
Speaker 5: Of the other guys.
Speaker 9: Now, there are guys that I think have more talent
Speaker 9: than him, and two of them will be Quinn you
Speaker 9: Rs at Texas and JJ McCarthy at Michigan. Where those
Speaker 9: guys have talent to potentially go in the first round,
Speaker 9: the question is are they going to develop like they
Speaker 9: need to develop, like they.
Speaker 5: Aren't finished products yet.
Speaker 9: You know, when I Trent Dilfer, who you know like
Speaker 9: and as you know, sees all these kids from high
Speaker 9: school on up and has seen a lot of these
Speaker 9: guys through the Elite eleven programs since they were teenagers, said,
Speaker 9: Quinn Ewers has like a Jeff George arm Right, And
Speaker 9: I think when you watch Texas on Saturdays you can
Speaker 9: see that. So, but yours is still pretty raw. So
Speaker 9: playing another year for Steve Sarkesey into Texas, does he
Speaker 9: get there where he's the third quarterback off the board.
Speaker 9: JJ McCarthy's another one where he was up and down
Speaker 9: at points last year, but he won his first twelve
Speaker 9: starts at Michigan, so is he in the conversation. So
Speaker 9: I think those three names, Nix, McCarthy yours would be
Speaker 9: in the conversation. Jordan Travis at Florida State's another one.
Speaker 9: And I think this was so intriguing about this year's classes.
Speaker 9: You've got a clear one, you got a clear too,
Speaker 9: and then you've got like this clump of players where
Speaker 9: there's real talent and they're going to kind of.
Speaker 5: Duke it out for draft position over the course of
Speaker 5: the next six months.
Speaker 1: I talked to a talent evaluator, this is after the
Speaker 1: end of last season, and he said he would lump
Speaker 1: in Michael Pennix and Washington and put him in there
Speaker 1: of And I think he's been around maybe five years.
Speaker 1: He transferred from Indiana.
Speaker 9: But that's the COVID thing, though, Like that's that's what happens.
Speaker 9: Jordon Travis is well, I said, I think Nix is
Speaker 9: five years, but Jordan Travis is six years, right, and
Speaker 9: Penix is six years. And that's like the COVID effect
Speaker 9: is the guy's got the extra years of eligibility. And
Speaker 9: Pennix is interesting because I think he's got some physical ability,
Speaker 9: but it's sort of like Nix a little bit and
Speaker 9: that like a lot of people didn't like his Indiana
Speaker 9: tape and then he went to play for Calen de
Speaker 9: Boor at Washington, and I think there's that thing, you know,
Speaker 9: like that that you hear sometimes.
Speaker 5: Is it the offense or is it the quarterback?
Speaker 9: And Bowe Nix is gonna have the opportunity to answer
Speaker 9: those questions this year at Oregon because he's losing his
Speaker 9: offensive coordinator who went to Arizona State to be the
Speaker 9: head coach. You know, the questions with Penix that think
Speaker 9: it's going to be a little bit more of can
Speaker 9: you dispel all the questions that he had hanging over him.
Speaker 5: At Indiana playing in a little bit.
Speaker 9: Of a different type of offense at Washington, But there
Speaker 9: is some talent there, and yeah, he'd be another one
Speaker 9: I should have thrown him in the mix.
Speaker 5: But that sort of tells you how to pick the group.
Speaker 9: Is too, is that there's a half dozen guys who
Speaker 9: I think have an opportunity to maybe play the play
Speaker 9: their way into the first round discussion, or at the
Speaker 9: very least into like the top one hundred discussion.
Speaker 1: What about Deon Sanders' son.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so he's interesting because you know, he was a
Speaker 9: dominant player at Jackson State, and now what we're seeing
Speaker 9: more with these guys is they have the opportunity to
Speaker 9: transfer up and so you know, now you're gonna get
Speaker 9: see him in the PAC twelve playing at Colorado.
Speaker 5: And you know, the.
Speaker 9: Word that came up with Dion's kid was the same
Speaker 9: word that came up with Drake May, which was smooth,
Speaker 9: like he looks really natural playing the position, and now
Speaker 9: playing against better competition at Colorado, we should get a
Speaker 9: look at how he looks when everybody else has got
Speaker 9: the same level of ability that he does. Because remember,
Speaker 9: he was a guy who coming out of high school,
Speaker 9: had the opportunity to play at that level, but wanted
Speaker 9: to play for his dad. And so we haven't seen
Speaker 9: him in the context of like the FBS, like Power
Speaker 9: five level, and now we're going to get the chance
Speaker 9: to see him do that at Colorado and we're gonna
Speaker 9: and the cool thing about it is we're gonna get
Speaker 9: to see him do it at Colorado where a lot of
Speaker 9: games they're going to be at a talent deficit. So
Speaker 9: NFL evaluators are going to get the chance to look
Speaker 9: at him and see what it's like when he doesn't
Speaker 9: have a talent of vantage going against the other team.
Speaker 1: Albert Brier joining us from vacation. He's the Monday morning
Speaker 1: quarterback NFL Free Agent updates anything.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I assume we're talking about the big two,
Speaker 9: which we've all been obsessing over over the last month,
Speaker 9: because there's not a whole lot else to talk about.
Speaker 9: But DeAndre Hopkins and Dalvin Cook would be the two.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 9: I think both their situations are somewhat similar and that
Speaker 9: the money hasn't built what they wanted it to be.
Speaker 9: And I think the hope is as you get closer
Speaker 9: to a training camp, maybe a contender like looks at
Speaker 9: its rooster in their pre camp meetings and says, you know,
Speaker 9: we need to add a body there, or somebody has
Speaker 9: an injury earlier in camp and they decide that they
Speaker 9: need to act with emergency and up the anny a
Speaker 9: little bit.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 9: Obviously, with hop Like, the teams have been Tennessee and
Speaker 9: New England, and those teams haven't been willing to go
Speaker 9: to the financial point that he wants somebody to go
Speaker 9: to to get him. Now, I think he'd be willing
Speaker 9: to go at a little bit of a discount to
Speaker 9: a Buffalo or a Kansas City. But that ship sort
Speaker 9: of sailed going back to the draft when you know,
Speaker 9: the Odell Beckham deal got done, and that's sort of
Speaker 9: poisoned the well and the negotiations with Hopkins with those
Speaker 9: two teams. So like, for example, Kansas City is in
Speaker 9: a situation where they gave the money they were going
Speaker 9: to give to Hopkins to Donovan Smith, their new left tackle,
Speaker 9: and so they decided we still need a body at receiver.
Speaker 9: They draft Roshet Rice in a second round out of SMU.
Speaker 9: So like coming out of spring, now do they look
Speaker 9: at it when they have their meetings before camp and say,
Speaker 9: we don't want to rely as much on Rice as
Speaker 9: a rookie, so we need to to go and get
Speaker 9: a DeAndre Hopkins. And know, by the way, if we
Speaker 9: get a deal done with Chris Jones, that's going to
Speaker 9: free up some cap space for us to do it.
Speaker 9: So I think the Chiefs would be a contender to
Speaker 9: get back in there. Buffalo, I think just because the
Speaker 9: Stefan dig situation, I think they'd be a no. They
Speaker 9: were cognizant of that even before everything kind of blew
Speaker 9: up in June, that like they really had to be
Speaker 9: cognizant of where the ball was going and that Steph
Speaker 9: needed a certain amount of touches and Hopkins is sort
Speaker 9: of a volume player. So I don't think that they'll
Speaker 9: get back in it, you know. And then with Cook,
Speaker 9: I still think the team to watch with them as
Speaker 9: the JIT with him is the Jets, you know, Like
Speaker 9: I know he's got an interest in them, and you know,
Speaker 9: looking at where they are from a roster standpoint, you know,
Speaker 9: bringing bringing Breese Paul back from injury and having the
Speaker 9: opportunity to be a little flexible as far as giving
Speaker 9: him his time to come back from his acl and
Speaker 9: maybe getting him in a better place in October rather
Speaker 9: than rushing him back in September. And still you know,
Speaker 9: doing your best to act with urgency to win the
Speaker 9: games in September because you are in a win now situation.
Speaker 9: With Aaron Rodgers would make all the sense in the world.
Speaker 9: So I think Jets would be the team to watch
Speaker 9: with Cook. You know, we'll see what happens if we
Speaker 9: get closer to the camp with both those guys. If
Speaker 9: more contenders throw their hats in the ring. And I
Speaker 9: know that was a complicated answer. I'm trying to recap
Speaker 9: the last three months with both those guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I agree with you on Dalvin Cook with
Speaker 1: the Jets, And I thought about Dalvin Cook with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys with Tony Pollard coming back from a broken leg,
Speaker 1: that you know, the Jets are in an all you know,
Speaker 1: a win now mode. The Cowboys are always in that,
Speaker 1: and I just think, you know, the contributions of both
Speaker 1: of those running backs, that you give them a little
Speaker 1: extra time instead of kind of expediting their rehab process
Speaker 1: and bringing those guys in. But I don't know what
Speaker 1: happens when they get healthy and now you got your
Speaker 1: sharing you know, touches and how that works there. But
Speaker 1: it feels like delavant.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I mean, Dan, I think with the Jets
Speaker 9: is like every game counts now, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 9: not that it doesn't for other teams, but like if
Speaker 9: you're the Jets, it's like, no, we're in it for now,
Speaker 9: Like we're in for now. We don't know what twenty
Speaker 9: twenty four is going to look like, what twenty twenty
Speaker 9: five is gonna look like you know, And I think
Speaker 9: if you talk to like Buccaneers people, they would tell
Speaker 9: you we were all in for every game and it
Speaker 9: was the right thing to do because we competed for
Speaker 9: championships for three years and we won one. Right, And
Speaker 9: that's sort of where the Jets are right now. So
Speaker 9: you can't throw away week one or week two to
Speaker 9: be judicious with a single player. So if you want
Speaker 9: to still be judicious with that single player, how do
Speaker 9: you make it work?
Speaker 5: Well, you get somebody to replace him for those two weeks,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 9: And so I think that's why that sets up as
Speaker 9: sort of a perfect situation if they could work the
Speaker 9: numbers out. And again, like both these guys, money is
Speaker 9: a factor with both of them. Like, those guys aren't
Speaker 9: going to go take the league minimum to chase a ring.
Speaker 1: Before I let you go, and you end your reign
Speaker 1: as the worst dad ever as you're doing the live
Speaker 1: report while your kids are riding your bikes near the
Speaker 1: beach there. I wondered about this with Greg Popovich. He
Speaker 1: signed a five year deal. After they get Victor run
Speaker 1: Bayama and San Antonio. I'm wondering if there's a quarterback
Speaker 1: that will keep Belichick. Let's say he got Drake me
Speaker 1: or Caleb Williams. Is there a player that would keep
Speaker 1: him in that job almost energize him, sort of the
Speaker 1: way Victor Won Bayama has done. Greg Popovic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an interesting thing.
Speaker 9: I don't know, because I do think that the Shula
Speaker 9: records sort of looming over all this. And I believe
Speaker 9: he's nineteen wins away, which puts you like borderline, you know,
Speaker 9: like based on the team they have it like it's
Speaker 9: a toss up does he make it there by the
Speaker 9: end of twenty twenty four, And like everybody I know
Speaker 9: that knows Bill really well says like his juice for
Speaker 9: the job hasn't gone anywhere, Like he still loves it
Speaker 9: and he's found a way to be ance where you know,
Speaker 9: like I think he can still do the things that
Speaker 9: a lot of seventy year olds, seventy five year olds
Speaker 9: want to do in retirement and still be a coach,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean, and still do all of that,
Speaker 9: and so you know, I think wins and losses are
Speaker 9: a part of it. And yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 9: if a certain level of quarterback came along, or if
Speaker 9: Mac Jones somehow got to that level. Now, I don't
Speaker 9: think most people would tell you that's in the cards,
Speaker 9: but if like he had another person at that another
Speaker 9: quarterback at that level, I think it would certainly be
Speaker 9: something that would be tempting for him to stay, because
Speaker 9: I do think that like he's gotten to a point
Speaker 9: and I'm sure it's the same with pop where like
Speaker 9: all the things you want to do, you know, in
Speaker 9: your golden years, like in your seventies and your eighties,
Speaker 9: like those guys have sort of figured out how to
Speaker 9: do that and do the job, you know, And so
Speaker 9: I think that that's like a little thing that like
Speaker 9: has made it so to go, made it so he
Speaker 9: could go from the guy who said you won't find
Speaker 9: me out there, like Marv Levy seventies coaching, to now
Speaker 9: being that guy, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 9: think this would allowed him to do it. And so yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean I think if he looks at it and says,
Speaker 9: I could win two championships in five years, but the
Speaker 9: quarterback that I have, I certainly think that that would
Speaker 9: be something that might that could entice him to stay.
Speaker 9: And like on paper, at least looking forward at it now,
Speaker 9: like Caleb Williams and Drake may would be that guy.
Speaker 9: Now the problem is you're gonna need to be absolutely awful.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So I don't if they're that bad, it's Robert Kraft
Speaker 5: keep him around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I wondered about that, go back
Speaker 1: to being a great dad there on vacation. I hope
Speaker 1: you can find your children.
Speaker 9: And I think I think my I think my attention
Speaker 9: for son just like skidded by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw him, But I got to find your daughter.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for her in the picture there.
Speaker 5: Well, there are three of them. I think our middle
Speaker 5: may have.
Speaker 1: So thank you. Albert.
Speaker 5: All right, thanks Dan.
Speaker 1: That's Albert Breer, senior NFL report order and he is
Speaker 1: the Monday morning quarterback. I saw these kids going by.
Speaker 1: I didn't know which ones were his. And then there
Speaker 1: was one little boy on a bike, and I go,
Speaker 1: that might be his son. Then there was a little
Speaker 1: girl who was kind of wandering around aimlessly. I hope
Speaker 1: his wife was there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul, I thought it was just some random locals
Speaker 4: that wanted some more inside information on the NFL season.
Speaker 2: Just wandered to, Hey, there's Albert Breer. Let's see what
Speaker 2: the vikings are doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, last call for phone calls. What we learned,
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Speaker 1: Last call for phone calls? What we learned? What's in
Speaker 1: store tomorrow? Dan Patrick Show? Let me see get a
Speaker 1: couple of phone calls in here Kyle and Ohio, Hi Kyle,
Speaker 1: thanks for holding What do you have for me?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 11: Six? First of all, I appreciate you guys taking the call.
Speaker 11: I heard you mentioned something earlier regarding hitting a home run.
Speaker 11: It's I was watching the Marlins broadcast and the color
Speaker 11: commentator was saying, the common misconception is, you know, the
Speaker 11: faster the ball comes in, the easier it is to
Speaker 11: hit out. But on a fastball, the spins actually moving
Speaker 11: backwards from the pitcher. So when you're throwing off speed
Speaker 11: like a slider or something, it's actually down spin or
Speaker 11: forward spin. So when ball or the barrel hits the ball,
Speaker 11: you're actually going with the spin. So typically the longest
Speaker 11: home runs are going to see her off speed pitches
Speaker 11: and sliders and move, you know, things like that.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about that. When I saw Randy
Speaker 1: Johnson give up a home run to Mark Maguire, I
Speaker 1: don't think that was on a breaking ball. When he
Speaker 1: hit a bomb one of the that was like five
Speaker 1: hundred feet. I think Unit talked about that when he
Speaker 1: was on the show with us. I remember Rob Dibble
Speaker 1: through to who hit the four home runs?
Speaker 2: Mark Quinton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hard hitting Mark Whitton, and Dibble said, I just
Speaker 1: he had hit three home runs, and Rob said, I
Speaker 1: just threw as hard as I could, and if he
Speaker 1: was going to hit it out, then he was going
Speaker 1: to get four home runs in the game. And he
Speaker 1: hit it out. Yeah, you do get these hanging you know,
Speaker 1: breaking balls sliders where I watched Aaron Judge last year
Speaker 1: with a lot of those home runs they were just
Speaker 1: on breaking balls that just hung in the strike zone,
Speaker 1: and these guys aren't going to miss those. It's I
Speaker 1: never understood a breaking ball that was down the middle
Speaker 1: of the play. I just don't understand that logic that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw a breaking ball now unless they're missing.
Speaker 1: But any you know, breaking ball, I would want inside
Speaker 1: or outside, or I'd want it low, but not in
Speaker 1: the middle of the plate because if they guess right,
Speaker 1: they're going to hit it out. Fastball, all right, that's
Speaker 1: down the middle of the plate, and if you hit it,
Speaker 1: you're a better man than me. But breaking ball, man,
Speaker 1: it just feels like they're serving those things up meat
Speaker 1: balls there. Let's see Josh in Montana, Hi, Josh, what's
Speaker 1: on your mind today?
Speaker 6: How you doing?
Speaker 10: Dan?
Speaker 6: I live in Montana, so I uh, Saturday, I was
Speaker 6: floating the same the big hole, just like you were.
Speaker 6: But you were probably gone by then. But the big
Speaker 6: problem out there. There's this huge problem with the wolves.
Speaker 6: We had to move all of the cattle that we
Speaker 6: usually led grays up in the up in the mountains
Speaker 6: that we have. We had to move them back down
Speaker 6: to the ranch because the wolves were wrecking havoc and
Speaker 6: getting to the cattle. There's a huge problem with wolves
Speaker 6: up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I said that. The woman who drove
Speaker 1: me to the airport when I was leaving, she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the wolves, you know, they just they encroached on your house.
Speaker 1: They went and got the dog off the front porch.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See that's the real question though, Dan, Are they encroaching
Speaker 3: on our houses or are we encroaching on there? Okay, okay, yes,
Speaker 3: said it? All right, Yes, said it?
Speaker 5: Okay, maybe you could try dancing with them to leave.
Speaker 1: You Okay, dancing with wolves not sure.
Speaker 2: We all have experience with cougar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I ran into some cougars over the weekend. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't, no, No, he got I was at a
Speaker 1: place in Orlando, outside of Orlando, and I'm having a
Speaker 1: drink with a friend and waiter comes out and uh
Speaker 1: he recognized me, and he goes, you're married. I go yeah.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, if you're not, you know, there's women
Speaker 1: who are coming off like their third hip replacement in
Speaker 1: there and they would love to go out with you.
Speaker 1: And I go, what makes you think I want a
Speaker 1: woman who's had three hip replacements?
Speaker 2: If you have to get away, they're not gonna catch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they will not catch me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, depends on why the hips need to be replaced.
Speaker 1: I guess, oh whoa whoah family show. And then I
Speaker 1: you know, the waiter, I said, uh, I said, wow,
Speaker 1: it's a wide range of music that guy's playing. He goes,
Speaker 1: wait till he he plays Prince and you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: him wail and I go okay, And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he played like Purple Rain and the waiters
Speaker 1: stuck his head out and he was like, told you
Speaker 1: perpol ray, I'm going all right? But uh yeah, the
Speaker 1: cougars were out, you know, yes, yes, And.
Speaker 5: What do you say if you score with one of
Speaker 5: those ladies?
Speaker 1: Hip hip? All right, Hey, you swear, you swear you're
Speaker 1: not on drugs? To okay, you shouldn't be. I need that.
Speaker 1: You need to have an excuse for your va just
Speaker 1: those How about this Dan? In sports history.
Speaker 4: Oh you don't heard this before Dan nineteen fourteen, Babe
Speaker 4: Ruth debuted in the major leagues with the Boston Red Sox.
Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty five, Nolan Ryan and the Astros became the
Speaker 4: first major league pitcher to earn four thousand strikeouts in
Speaker 4: a career. And an eighty seven, Bo Jackson signed a
Speaker 4: contract to play football for the La Raiders for five years.
Speaker 2: He was still under contract with the Casey Royals.
Speaker 1: Nolan Ryan strunck out Danny Heap for his four thousand strikeout.
Speaker 1: You know that movie char It's a fire. You know that.
Speaker 1: What's the name of the uh jealous ben Jelis. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Eric Liddell won the gold medal in Paris and he
Speaker 1: withdrew from the one hundred meter dash, his best event
Speaker 1: because one of the heats in the race would be
Speaker 1: held on Sunday, and that was the basis for the
Speaker 1: movie Chariots of Fire, where everybody ran in slow motion.
Speaker 2: It's funny because it's sprinting movie.
Speaker 1: I know it'd be slow motion. Okay, what happened first?
Speaker 1: Baywatch slow motion or Chariots of Fire feels like Chariots
Speaker 1: of Fire. Definitely Charots before Pam Anderson. But who looked
Speaker 1: better running the beach in slow motion? Well, David Hauselhoff,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: I wonder if they considered putting Pamela Anderson in Chariots
Speaker 4: of Art, that would have a better movie.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. Bo Jackson first played appearance in the All
Speaker 1: Star game Boom on this day, nineteen eighty nine. Hit
Speaker 1: it off, Rick Ruschell, I believe, and he was named
Speaker 1: the MVP. Let's see anything else that I find results
Speaker 1: of the pole question.
Speaker 3: Seaton had some bangers today, Dan, not really, that's part
Speaker 3: our most I'm most scared of encountering most people still
Speaker 3: a shark. I think it's the water part.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think people are generally more uncomfortable in water than
Speaker 3: they are on land. That's why sharks are winning.
Speaker 1: But if there were land sharks, only a dolphin man,
Speaker 1: would you be worried about that shark? You know? Somebody
Speaker 1: told me that rattlesnakes are teaching themselves to not rattle,
Speaker 1: so then they don't get you don't hear them long game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody said that, like rattlesnakes are teaching themselves.
Speaker 4: If sharks teach themselves how to survive on land, I know,
Speaker 4: that's what That's.
Speaker 1: What made me think if these sharks ever realized, hey,
Speaker 1: I can kind of get on land.
Speaker 2: If you go to a king and there's a shark
Speaker 2: in there, Yes, Tod.
Speaker 7: That is extremely frightening that an animal could teach itself
Speaker 7: to like win, to be quiet and noise.
Speaker 8: Would you rather be attacked by a silent animal.
Speaker 1: Or you teachers? If a rat, I'd be able to
Speaker 1: shut myself up.
Speaker 5: I see what you're doing.
Speaker 1: What did you learn today, Todd?
Speaker 5: If you see a bear, do not lie down a
Speaker 5: play dead. That may be an invitation for it to
Speaker 5: start eating your fake dead carcass.
Speaker 3: All right, seat O'Connor, Todd and Red Bull is not
Speaker 3: a good combination.
Speaker 1: And if that's in fact that's happened, don't know why
Speaker 1: I tried that.
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