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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news, Netflix shares soaring after

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Speaker 1: they boosted their revenue out look. Carol, One thing that's

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Speaker 1: kind of surprising to me, which part is the first

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Speaker 1: quarter outlook doesn't seem to be affecting the way the

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Speaker 1: stock is moving. First quarter operating income therefore projecting two

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Speaker 1: point nine to four billion, analysts wanted to see three

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Speaker 1: point one three billion dollars. First quarter operating margin expected

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Speaker 1: to be twenty eight point two percent. Analysts wanted to

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Speaker 1: see twenty nine zero point eight percent.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're looking at the twenty twenty two revenue overall

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Speaker 2: and looking at the big number versus kind of the breakdown.

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Speaker 1: See revenue projections coming in light, first quarter EPs coming

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Speaker 1: in light. I guess you are shrugging that off.

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Speaker 2: But they see twenty twenty five revenue maybe a little

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Speaker 2: bit better than what was initially expected. So maybe that's

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Speaker 2: the hope.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Let's see what Caroline Hind has to say. She's co

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Speaker 2: host of Bloomberg Technology and she joins us. Now, Caroline,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's also the buyback in shares. But Netflix

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Speaker 2: just soaring in the aftermark.

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Speaker 4: What a way to close out your subscriber numbers, because

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Speaker 4: this is the last time we ever get them. The

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Speaker 4: last quarter of subscriber numbers an absolute blowout, as you say,

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Speaker 4: coming in double where the expectations have been of eighteen million,

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Speaker 4: and they've added an on net forty one million.

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Speaker 5: More people around the world over the course of this year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is better than they did during twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty in the onset of COVID, when we were all

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Speaker 4: suddenly trapped in our homes and had nothing else to.

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Speaker 5: Do but to switch on and pay for Netflix.

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Speaker 4: Extraordinary numbers, And I think, Carol, what you're saying is

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Speaker 4: really president the fact that they're looking to a full

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Speaker 4: year that still looks so strong. Operating margin going to

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Speaker 4: live up to twenty nine percent. I hear you, Tim

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Speaker 4: on the fiscal first quarter perhaps looking a little bit light.

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Speaker 4: But remember this is a company that promised us for advertising,

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Speaker 4: which has been slow to bear fruit.

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Speaker 5: Isn't actually going to give.

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Speaker 5: But already you're seeing.

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Speaker 4: Those dividends, Already you're seeing people pile into the advertising product.

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Speaker 4: And thank you to j Paul, to Mike Tyson, to

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Speaker 4: be on because this is where it's at.

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Speaker 5: It seems to be live programming. What are you winning

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say no boxing matches or Beyonce

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Speaker 1: the big shifts. Someone, do you want to bring in?

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Speaker 1: Getha ranganathen technology and media analysts for Bloomberg Intelligence. Just

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Speaker 1: to repeat some of these headlines here, Netflix shares are

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Speaker 1: soaring more than a ten percent. They boosted their twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five revenue outlook. They added eighteen point nine one

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. Estimates were for nine point one

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Speaker 1: point eight so more than doubling it there, Githa, You've

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Speaker 1: had about ten minutes to look at these results. What

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Speaker 3: Everything? Really everything what you just pointed out. You know,

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Speaker 3: the one thing that we were worried about coming into

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Speaker 3: part of this eighteen point nine million subscriber blowout, and

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Speaker 2: Hey, before we go back to Caroline, I have one

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Speaker 2: question for you, Geita. I mean this, you know, the

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Speaker 3: It did pay off for them, so just let's just

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Speaker 3: then think of all of those additional subscribers that they got.

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Speaker 3: So this is paying off for them big time. So

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Speaker 3: they're making it. The content investments are definitely big, but

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Speaker 3: they're pretty disciplined, Carol, and I think the ROI they're

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Speaker 1: Hey, Carolyn, to that point, Netflix certainly the early mover

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Speaker 1: less success. Disney, of course, we've got to throw that

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Speaker 1: well that the other companies are not necessarily doing.

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Speaker 5: Very good? Point and leaving them the dust.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Leatha's numbers is so stand out when you

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Speaker 4: think about this is a company with three hundred million

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Speaker 5: But I think it's just the heavy mix.

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Speaker 4: Of being able to offer you the right content at

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Speaker 4: Geetha really is how much we're going to see cyclical

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Speaker 5: People signing on and signing off when it comes to sports,

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Speaker 3: But that's where I think Netflix is going to do

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Intelligence. You cover technology and media. You like having

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Speaker 1: more data rather than less data. Unfortunately, you're going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I mean revenue is how they have been

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Speaker 5: It's so interesting, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: Because it was but a few weeks ago that Masayoshi's

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Speaker 4: for their latest large language models. This is exactly what

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Speaker 4: But big move for Oracle Stock, big important cloud growth

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Speaker 4: and indeed leaving me with questions about Microsoft. But we

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Speaker 4: do anticipate that unveiling at the White House today.

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Speaker 2: All right, looking forward to that great setup for us

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Speaker 2: as we anticipate that in great analysis from both of you.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to Netflix, we are watching the stock

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Speaker 2: continuing to trade soaring really in the aftermarket, up about

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Speaker 2: eleven percent as we speak. Our thanks to Caroline High,

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Speaker 2: co host of Bloomberg Technology, and of course our Githa

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Speaker 2: Rang andath On. She is technology and media analyst for

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg Intelligence. We'll all be reading her research