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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, everybody. I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to politics.

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Speaker 1: And I heard podcasts and unbothered production time to get spolitical.

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Speaker 1: At the time of this recording, we're just a few

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Speaker 1: days away from the Super Bowl between Kansas City and Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: And for what it's worth, I've got Kansas City clinching

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Speaker 1: the first three peat in NFL history.

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Speaker 2: But besides the game, what.

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Speaker 1: Millions of people are looking forward to is the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl halftime show, which this year features Kendrick Lamar, who

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Speaker 1: is fresh off winning fifty eleven Grammys. Now, last year,

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Speaker 1: Usher's Super Bowl halftime performance drew over one hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty million viewers. But believe it or not, there was

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Speaker 1: a time where halftime shows, super Bowls or otherwise, weren't

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Speaker 1: But that all changed in nineteen twenty two when the

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Speaker 1: very first halftime show for a professional football game took place,

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't some grand entertainer who performed for the fans.

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Speaker 2: It was dogs who were the main attraction. A man

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Speaker 1: Lingo was one of the top breeders of Airdale Terriers,

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Speaker 1: Now Lingo became good friends with Jim Thorpe, the indigenous

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Speaker 1: Lingo's big idea was to create a pro football team

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Speaker 2: Were your early football halftime shows.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't until some forty years later that the first

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl was played, a nineteen sixty seven matchup between

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Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers and the Kansas City Chiefs. Now,

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Speaker 1: this was before the AFC and the NFC merged to

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Speaker 1: first Super Bowl halftime show also didn't feature some big

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Speaker 1: cheesy game shows. Here's the nineteen seventy eight Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: On Earth Earth one point on earth Point earth.

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Speaker 1: of high to understand what that was. Then there was

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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty two Super Bowl halftime show, which featured

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Speaker 2: The theme was an ode to the nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 3: Today, we're going to bring back some of those unforgettable

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Speaker 3: Momentous change, and the musical was changing too, for so

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Speaker 1: But in nineteen ninety two, the NFL finally realized it

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Speaker 1: A fire got lit under them, and it was all

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Speaker 1: performers for the Super Bowl were Gloria Estefan and Olympic

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: God blessed Gloria Estefan, who was a pop icon, but

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Speaker 1: Because In Living Color decided to put on their own

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Speaker 6: Hey, I know you guys are thinking, you were thinking her.

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Speaker 3: These bozo's gonna make us miss any part of the

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Speaker 5: That's where this comes in our super Bowl countdown clock.

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Speaker 5: It'll be coming on later in the show to let

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Speaker 5: You won't miss any of the senseless brutality.

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Speaker 2: But check this out. The Bad Boys and Comedy got

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Speaker 5: Right here find Marshall, Bill men On and calling me

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Speaker 2: So if you're ready, Hey, we're ready. So let's hang

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Speaker 2: out with the home boys right now? What's up?

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Speaker 1: That In Living Color halftime show drew over twenty million viewers,

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three, for super Bowl twenty seven, after

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Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty three million people watched that halftime show,

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Speaker 1: capades again blamed the black people. The super Bowl halftime

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Speaker 1: support for Colin Kaepernick, who when twenty sixteen, began protesting

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Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, the NFL reportedly wanted Rihanna, but she

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Speaker 1: Eventually, the NFL that year was able to convince Maroon Five,

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think we've passed kneeling. I'm Jamel Hill and

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Speaker 2: I approve this message.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next on politics, my favorite reality show on

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Speaker 2: Special Forces World's Toughest Test.

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Speaker 1: It airs on Fox, and the gist of it is

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Speaker 1: Coming up next on Politics, Marion Jones. So, Mary and

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Speaker 1: start every podcast. I ask every guest that appears on

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Speaker 6: I'm originally from California, Los Angeles to be specific, And

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Speaker 2: So there are a few I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: right there, like you got it, but school the last

437
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 2: group I think it was. There are a.

438
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Speaker 6: Few of the physical challenges like jumping on the helicopter,

439
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 6: like like, really, that's just physical to me, right, Like,

440
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 6: there are some people who were really thrown off by that.

441
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 6: That's nothing you just the minute I saw them demo it,

442
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 6: the the DS demo it, and I realized people, some

443
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 6: of my my my cast meets, my team were say

444
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 6: I'm gonna jump and hold on to it like this,

445
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 6: and I'm thinking, okay, there are very few of these

446
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 6: people here that can withstand their body weight naturally on

447
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 6: a pull up.

448
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: Let alone.

449
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 6: You have a moving helicopter, let alone, it's cold, let alone,

450
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 6: you got to Oh no, so I'm going to jump

451
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 6: on and grab it by here because I can hold

452
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 6: myself immediately I had made that. So the physical challenge

453
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 6: is jumping off the bridge, all right, I mean, yeah,

454
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 6: some people have a fear of heights oobia. Not me,

455
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 6: so it wasn't an issue. The challenge that you're referring to,

456
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 6: I us call it the black box challenge, whereby you

457
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 6: have to be in the water in the ocean and

458
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 6: this boat is being submerged waters lifting the boats going

459
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 6: down and you get the thumbs up from the DS

460
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 6: to swim down unhook the black box, grab it, swim

461
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 6: out of the boat, and it's a pass. Right. And

462
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 6: when they're explaining this to us, this right like, they

463
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 6: do it purposefully, very quickly, right. They don't say, they

464
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 6: don't take their time and you have to screw and

465
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 6: you have to do this. They say, the mission is

466
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 6: to get the black box out of the water.

467
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: Cool.

468
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 6: I can do that. So I find myself water going

469
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 6: down is cold. I'm not a fan of the cold.

470
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 6: I'm not a fan of the water, right, But again,

471
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 6: I know how to get myself there and deal with it.

472
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 6: So I swim down. I decided to interlock my fingers

473
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 6: in the bottom of the boat right with my right hand,

474
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 6: which is my first mistake. I'll tell you why. Because

475
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 6: I am right handed, so I should have interlocked my

476
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 6: hand with my left hand so I can use my

477
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 6: right to manipulate, because naturally this is my my left

478
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 6: hand is my weekend. Anyways, I unscrew it and it

479
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 6: seems to be moving cool. I just grabbed the thing.

480
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was hooked up in the back

481
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: and all that.

482
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 6: So you'll see me when I swim to the surface

483
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 6: with the box. I am very confident that I did

484
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 6: what I was supposed to do. I swim to the side,

485
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 6: swim over to the DS and you'll see me. He'll say,

486
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 6: you know number six, because they don't call you by

487
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 6: your name, number six. How do you think you did well?

488
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not feeling I'm a little cocky, but

489
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 6: I don't want it to come across like that. And

490
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 6: I say, hey, you know, I think I did well,

491
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 6: and he goes, you fail the mission, right, You're not

492
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 6: supposed to grab the black box. And then and so

493
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 6: I'm disappointed in that moment because I want to succeed.

494
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 6: And then I think to myself, ah, it makes sense

495
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 6: in this real environment because every moment you have to

496
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 6: go back and say, this is a real thing. If

497
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 6: I don't do this how it's supposed to be done, uh,

498
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 6: the enemy can get information like you have to put

499
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 6: yourself in how it really is. The enemy can get

500
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 6: the information if you don't have the box right, all.

501
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: Kinds of things.

502
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 6: And realizing that, hmm, if I had maybe done some

503
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 6: different things that you know, we would have failed, we

504
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 6: would have I would have passed the mission. So frustration

505
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 6: when it comes to that, but oh.

506
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: I was just like, she's right, there she a'll see

507
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: us to do is unhooked as part of it.

508
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: And it was.

509
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 6: My friends and family they were joking, They're like, that

510
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 6: is so you Marian, Like you will go. You're gonna

511
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 6: do it fast, and you can do it strong, and

512
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 6: you just gonna You're just gonna grab it and go.

513
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 6: That's how I am in my house too, rite like

514
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 6: I am when it comes to stuff like I want

515
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 6: to get it done quick. You tell me how to

516
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 6: get it done, I'm gonna do it. And sometimes you

517
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 6: need a little more time.

518
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, as they say, the devil is in the details.

519
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: But nevertheless, now that you've had a chance to watch

520
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: it back with the rest of America, what takeaways do

521
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: you have? What strikes you as you watch? How you

522
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: handle these different, very very stressful environments on this show.

523
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 6: Well, those were all expected, right, like not the particular

524
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 6: like which challenges, but I knew going into the situation

525
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 6: all of those would be some type of a challenge,

526
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 6: and I was confident that I would be, you know,

527
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 6: do well in most of them. I think the part

528
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 6: for me that was important was because now that I'm older, interviews, podcasts,

529
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 6: different shows, I am so experienced in this what I do,

530
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 6: knowing that most likely notin at least out of ten times,

531
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 6: whomever I'm talking to is going to have an agenda, right,

532
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just natural, right, you have an agenda.

533
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 6: I have an agenda. Who Right, it's just natural. But

534
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 6: going into it saying the show has an agenda, right,

535
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 6: then me in the mirror room knowing that they already

536
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 6: had an idea of how they thought they were going

537
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 6: to portray me. And maybe thirty years ago, twenty years ago,

538
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 6: I would have stepped in there very naives, thinking I'm

539
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 6: just going to answer whatever question you want, Da da Dad.

540
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 6: But now at this age knowing, okay, I have made

541
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 6: the decision to be on this show show because I

542
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 6: also am creating my own narrative. So yes, I get it,

543
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 6: you have an agenda, but I have one too, right,

544
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 6: And it's like, let's see who's gonna win. Right. Am

545
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 6: I gonna walk out of that mirror room feeling successful

546
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 6: knowing that I said what I want the world to know,

547
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 6: or am I gonna leave it saying, man, they dominated

548
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 6: the conversation and I didn't really get across what I want.

549
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 6: I mean, that's to me that was would have been

550
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 6: the biggest failed mission in all of this, and looking

551
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 6: back now you also there's also a fierceis of how

552
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 6: they edit things right, because after you sign the dotted

553
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 6: line that you're gonna participate in it, you kind of

554
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 6: like kind of just pray right, like the they do right,

555
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 6: they do right by a sister, right. But I feel

556
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 6: that I was portrayed fairly on the show. I feel

557
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 6: that it's my narrative and what I wanted to share

558
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 6: and how was well represented, and so I'm proud of

559
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 6: I'm proud of it all.

560
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: There.

561
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 6: I had an opportunity to chat with a good friend

562
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 6: of mine, Cam Cam Newton, who was also on the

563
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 6: show with me, and there are some particular like other

564
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 6: opinions on how he was portrayed right and this narrative right,

565
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 6: like the aggressive you know black athletes, right, And I mean,

566
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 6: if you've ever I don't know, if you have the

567
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 6: opportunity to chat with Cam, he is the nicest, like

568
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 6: he wouldn't like me to say this, but really like

569
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 6: he is just a wonderful, thoughtful individual businessman dad And

570
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 6: the idea that oh, they have an agenda, so anyways,

571
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 6: to just kind of recap it all, I am proud

572
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 6: of how I handled the situation. We only see small

573
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 6: moments right of the show. I mean literally the mirror

574
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 6: room for me was over an hour and we got

575
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 6: to two and a half minutes. So I mean those

576
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 6: are those are good numbers and that I feel that

577
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 6: I was treated fairly in it all.

578
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that you came off very very well.

579
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: And this next part is going to be a bit

580
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: of a spoiler alert. So if you have not watched

581
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: the show, just hit you right now, and.

582
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 6: So no pun intended. Are you going there? Hit you

583
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 6: right now? Are you talking about?

584
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: Yes, the way you left the show is what we

585
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: will now discuss. First of all, are your ribs okay?

586
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: So to set up real quick? To set up real

587
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: quick as part of one of the challenges is hand

588
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: to hand combat with another cast made and so they essentially,

589
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, they they say.

590
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: Okay you and you they go fight.

591
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: Of course you have on some kind of gear, but

592
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: the whole point is that like you are fighting somebody

593
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: else that you are on this show with and you

594
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: took a rib shot and that too.

595
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: Ye oh I didn't see O.

596
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right because they only showed us one at

597
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: home and so you took you took a rib shot

598
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: and thus you had to medically exit from the show.

599
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: So what happened?

600
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, so the challenge is called it is, you know,

601
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 6: a hand to hand comment, but it's called in this world,

602
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 6: it's called milling right, whereby what happens in real combat

603
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 6: is if your bride, your brigade is captured right by

604
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 6: the enemy. There have been instances where they would make

605
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 6: them fight each other, and if you coast it right,

606
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 6: if you're like bing bing bing, potentially everybody in your

607
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 6: unit could be killed, right, So like you have to

608
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 6: go after it, right, And so that's what the DS's

609
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 6: were asking us to do. And they usually will pair

610
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 6: you up with somebody of similar heights, similar size, et cetera.

611
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 6: And on the show, right, like there was some itty

612
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 6: bitty women there right where they didn't even like pair

613
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 6: me up, and Kayln Nicole, who is a rock star sister,

614
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 6: social media influencer, it was about my size, my height,

615
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 6: and so they pair us up. Now, let's talk about

616
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 6: the equipment really really quick, right, So you would think

617
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 6: that they're the facial equipment was going to protect everything,

618
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 6: Like no, No, I looked at it and I said wait, okay,

619
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 6: so it's protecting my temples in my ears. But all

620
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 6: of this is exposed what I made them like. I

621
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 6: made a quick decisions, and this is what I said.

622
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 6: I said, you know what, it's not like beauty paget ish,

623
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 6: but I like it. I like it.

624
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: You got a face guard, married you've got a face

625
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: guard about it.

626
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 6: Black, don't crack, And I'm gonna try to keep it

627
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 6: like that. So in my head, I'm thinking, all right,

628
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 6: I'm kind of light on my feet, I can move,

629
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 6: but I got to protect this because the equipment that

630
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 6: they provided is not protecting this. So if I was

631
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 6: to get hit like Cam hit Nathan and blew up

632
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 6: his nose, I didn't want that. So we started. I

633
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 6: get a few jabs protecting this. But if there was

634
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 6: one thing, maybe a few things. But if there's one

635
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 6: thing in particular that I wish I would have prepared

636
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 6: for better, I would have taken some kickboxing type classes

637
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 6: because in the previous seasons the milling was on there

638
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 6: as well, right if you remember, I don't know if

639
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 6: it was both seasons, but at least one of.

640
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: These was on there before. Well, if there's anything.

641
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 6: I could have done better, in terms of I don't

642
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 6: have a background in boxing. Kayla Nicole. I mean, she's

643
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 6: a fitness guru. She likes that world. She's taken boxing classes,

644
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 6: and I haven't done a chance to actually like talk

645
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 6: to her. I planned to about the details of it,

646
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 6: but as I'm protecting my face, Kayln Nicole is got

647
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 6: my rib right, and she got it one time really good.

648
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 6: I went down, right, I've never had any type of

649
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 6: rib injuries. I'm a sprinter, y'all, like I and I

650
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 6: played basketball and there is some physical contact, but an't

651
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 6: nobody's hitting me like that? And I went down and

652
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 6: the DS who's the drill sergeant came over again. You

653
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 6: all don't see this part, but he had number six.

654
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 6: Are you giving up? Right?

655
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 7: Like?

656
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 6: Those are fighting words to an athlete, right, Like for

657
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 6: for decades a coach would say, are you Are you done?

658
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 6: They're trying to like push and prode right, Are you done?

659
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 6: Are you giving up? Are you weak? Of course not right.

660
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 6: So I feel something's going on with here. I don't

661
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 6: know what it is, specifically, but I'm like no, So

662
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 6: I pulled myself up and again, for whatever reason, I'm

663
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 6: protecting this face and what is came with the gold.

664
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Speaker 6: She went for the same side, the same rib, and

665
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 6: when she connected there was I couldn't catch my breath.

666
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 6: I went down and it felt like and I broke

667
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 6: two broke two ribs, and that I didn't. I was

668
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 6: a little bit in shock in that. I'm like, it's

669
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 6: affecting everything, Like it's affecting how I catch my breath.

670
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 6: It's affecting when I turned left, turn right, stand, oh,

671
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 6: walk what? And so as I'm walking to the ambulance

672
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 6: right like I think they showed this part. I told

673
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 6: the doctor I think these are broken, and she said,

674
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 6: I think you're right. So we get to the emergency room.

675
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 6: It was confirmed, took an MRI. I got two ribs broken.

676
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 6: But you got to understand the show was filmed mid

677
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 6: last year and it took me about six to eight

678
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 6: weeks for them to recover, which which sucks. Like if

679
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 6: you've ever had any have you ever any had any

680
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 6: rib injuries?

681
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: I haven't, but I had an oblique injury, and trust me,

682
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: I thought I was I moved.

683
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: I can only imagine it affects everything that.

684
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 6: Everything you sneeze, you cough, you gick up, you laugh,

685
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 6: anything you pick up a fork. So the hardest part was,

686
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 6: you know, you know, you can't wear a cast or

687
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 6: anything like, you just have to deal with it for

688
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 6: six to eight weeks. So I'm fine now, thankfully. But

689
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 6: who what.

690
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: Caylen mccoone coming with the uh, the the rib shots

691
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: and then though I hate to identify her as this,

692
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: but this is, you know, obviously who was in a

693
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: long term relationship with Travis Kelce. They broke up, and

694
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: that's a part of the drama of the show, is

695
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: just how she's recovering from the way she's been attacked online.

696
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw somebody, let me tell you.

697
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: It made me laugh when I defended Kayla Nicole on

698
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 4: my Instagram one day, because I know her as whom

699
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 4: she presented herself to me.

700
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 6: Rich is everything to me, right, like we all got

701
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 6: stuff right, But who you are to me in that moment,

702
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 6: and who Kaylen Nicole was for me for that amount

703
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 6: of time and has been has been like an incredible

704
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 6: little sister, right. She's focused. If anybody does any research

705
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 6: on her, they know that she's a well seasoned journalist.

706
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 4: Right.

707
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 6: She went to a school down the street from where

708
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 6: I grew up in Pepperdine University. So of course people

709
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 6: only know one thing about cayleb. But anyways, I was

710
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 6: looking at some of the comments. You talk about social

711
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 6: media humbling, you really right, and I and I have

712
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 6: I have been able to uh create a certain type

713
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 6: of armor over the past few decades, right, like you've

714
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 6: had to right, especially to be somebody who's spotlighted. And

715
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 6: then in the in the news and I posted about

716
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 6: Kayla and somebody somebody says something like Kayla, you you

717
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 6: shouldn't beat up on that old lady.

718
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: No, old lady.

719
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, you know, I have like twenty years

720
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 6: plus first senior. I was like, dang, I didn't even

721
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 6: look at it like that. Dang.

722
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: They made the same my elder abuse, Like that's how cool.

723
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 6: So well, if I get another triple A advertisement in

724
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 6: my mail, like y'all, I am not there yet, not

725
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 6: making me get there, but non incredible experience, And people

726
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 6: ask would I potentially do it again? And I want

727
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 6: to say no, But girl, let me tell you, if

728
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 6: I get that invitation and you I don't even got

729
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 6: to blink, I will be there and try it again.

730
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 6: Because I did walk away with the sense, with a

731
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 6: sense of disappointment. I want to I want to just

732
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 6: crush everything I do. I think that after the milling

733
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 6: and so many of us got kicked out, there was

734
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 6: a slight pivot in what the show meant to do.

735
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 6: Because you'll notice that a number of the challenges are

736
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 6: a little less physical, like a little less physical from

737
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 6: those first three or four days when I was on.

738
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 6: And it has a lot to do with like leadership,

739
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 6: right and mental toughness and right and like, yes, there

740
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 6: are you know, certain things. But I think that there

741
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 6: was a slight pivot. I think the first part of

742
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 6: the show, and we will see that, you know, the

743
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 6: next episodes or whatever, but I want to say that

744
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 6: first part was the physical. Man, if I would have

745
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 6: gotten through that milling, I really really think that there

746
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 6: would have been more success. So that I hold on

747
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 6: to that.

748
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I think that would be a

749
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: potential thing for the show, is bringing back people who

750
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: want to give it another.

751
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 2: Go to see if they can they can do it again.

752
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: My husband and I because again we watched this disappointment

753
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: view where we love this show is you know, he's like, hey,

754
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: if they ever asked you, would you do it?

755
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, hell, no, I wouldn't do this show.

756
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I think maybe so.

757
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 6: But I feel like, y'all, for somebody who's watched all

758
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 6: three seasons, what was the hardest season that's so far?

759
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: You can be honest with me, you know, I mean,

760
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: the first one was the kind of no joke I

761
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: would have. I got to see how the season plays out,

762
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: but I would definitely say the second one, like the

763
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: second one seemed to be very, very challenging.

764
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 6: We are all sixteen of us would disagree with you, sis,

765
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 6: I'm gonna take well.

766
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: Like I said, I mean, but the early part, I

767
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: do feel like you guys got stuck in the crazy

768
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: shit earlier, like like they there was no warm up.

769
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: It was just like boom, here we go.

770
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 6: I mean from that when they pushed us off the

771
00:41:58,920 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 6: boat into.

772
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: That role.

773
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 6: And for so many water challenges, which was probably my

774
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 6: if there was any fear and all of this, that

775
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 6: was my biggest fear because cold and water don't mix

776
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 6: well with me. And so after we got pushed in

777
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 6: the water, we were all amongst amongst ourselves were like,

778
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 6: they can't really have too many more water challenges, right,

779
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 6: And we were convinced that we were going to mainly

780
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 6: be on Land.

781
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, well before just to put a bowl on

782
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: this because I definitely want to ask you about your

783
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: new podcast.

784
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 7: Now.

785
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 6: We could go on and on.

786
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 2: Listen.

787
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: I told you I could do an hour alone just

788
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: on this show because that's how much I love it.

789
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna volunteer. I know you guys did.

790
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: A reunion listen, fox y'all ever need somebody to host

791
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 1: a reunion, I'm.

792
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: Your girl, trust me. I know you had any I'm

793
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: your girl.

794
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: But I do want to ask you about this particular

795
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: moment that happened on the show that was not to

796
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: do with any of the challenges.

797
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, the mirror room.

798
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: They take you all into what is a confessional type

799
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: of session, but you're in there with staff, you know,

800
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: and these are the guys who are running the program,

801
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: and they're trying to psychologically understand who you are.

802
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: And one of the.

803
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: Things that you said, and it was a very touching moment,

804
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: was that, you know, you said, when I was sentenced,

805
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: I had two young children. And this is going back

806
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: to you know, obviously your you know, conviction for lyning

807
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: the federal investigators you serve some time you're incarcerated.

808
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: I think for six months.

809
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: You said when I was sentenced, I had two young children,

810
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: too young for them to understand knowing what I that

811
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: I had done wrong to me, the hardest part was

812
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: just knowing at some point they were going to have

813
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: to deal with the reality of mom's choices.

814
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: Mary, that was such a moment.

815
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: And I think you know, through all the headlines and

816
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: all the things that you've been through, that's a component

817
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: of this that a lot of people don't even think about.

818
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: So you know, you have three wonderful children.

819
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: They're older now from when you went through your issues,

820
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering, like, for you, how did you approach

821
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: that challenges of knowing like one day they gonna hit

822
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: Google and one day this is going to happen. So

823
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: how did you process how to explain what happened to

824
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: your children?

825
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it would be it would have been nice

826
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 6: to have to have something to reference it all too, right,

827
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 6: But because as the judge like to make sure that

828
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 6: I knew when I was in the sentencing, I'm going

829
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 6: to use you as an example Mary and Jones, there's

830
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 6: nothing to compare it too, And so I made the

831
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 6: decision after I served the six months and the forty

832
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 6: nine days in solitary confinement. How am I going to

833
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 6: go about preparing my kids for not only life? And

834
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 6: as parents we all do that, but there's always a

835
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 6: little extra with me. The best way to do that

836
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 6: is to be about it, to live about it, to

837
00:44:51,320 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 6: be that person whom I'm telling them they should be honest, good, respectful,

838
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 6: all those boxes that we want to check. And with

839
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 6: the understanding that everybody, at some point in your life,

840
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 6: you're gonna make poor choices. Right, It's just gonna happen,

841
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 6: even with the even with the best parents, the best mentors, teachers, pastors, whomever.

842
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 6: At some point you're gonna try and do your own things,

843
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 6: or you're gonna go along with the crowd, or you're

844
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 6: gonna have to make a split decision and it turns

845
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 6: out to be wrong, it happens that how are you

846
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 6: gonna How are you going to handle it when it happens?

847
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 6: Are you? And I remember? Of course, And of course

848
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't communicate it in a way when

849
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 6: they were young like this, But in essence, when you

850
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 6: make a poor choice, whatever it is, you stole the candy,

851
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 6: you lied about this, you did this, You come and

852
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 6: you tell me right like you fess up, or you hey,

853
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 6: I did it right now, you don't know what the

854
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 6: consequence is gonna be. It depends on what you did.

855
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: Right.

856
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 6: The consequences could be kind of severe, right, you get

857
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 6: your phone taken away, or you know you'll get spanked.

858
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 6: I'll say it right because hey, but you you get

859
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 6: the consequences kind of over with and you move on right,

860
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 6: And by doing that, you gain the respect of the

861
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 6: people around you, because generally, if they're adults, say no,

862
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 6: everybody's going to make a poor choice, or you can

863
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 6: decide to try and cover it up or however long

864
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 6: and it gets bigger and bigger and eventually worse, and

865
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 6: then you lose the trust, which is the hardest thing

866
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 6: to deal with. You lose the trust of your people.

867
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 6: And so that's how I tried to teach them right

868
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 6: and then along the way, at different points, because every

869
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 6: kid is different in how they approach life and obstacles,

870
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 6: you say, all right, well, you know here's an example, right,

871
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 6: and I when I'm when I'm looking at sports with

872
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 6: I got three incredible athletes as kids, all in different

873
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 6: levels and mindset like, this is where I was and

874
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 6: this is what I did. I made a poor choice.

875
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 6: I was away remember that time where mommy had and

876
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 6: so that's how you put it together to this point.

877
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 6: Now you know they followly, know the story, and in

878
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 6: their own way, they have created a community, a world,

879
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 6: a village. I have helped with that, create a village

880
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 6: of support. Also, I have been very, very cautious to

881
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 6: not force certain things on them. My people ask like,

882
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 6: did you make them run track? I did not. Right

883
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 6: when they decide, if they decide, awesome. My oldest ran track.

884
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 6: He ran in school. He decided it wasn't for him

885
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 6: anymore cool, right. My middle played basketballs up until his

886
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 6: senior year in high school and then decided that he

887
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 6: wanted to run track and it was great at it.

888
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 6: Now it is at the University of Texas at Austin

889
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 6: in as a freshman running track on a full scholarship. Right.

890
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 6: My daughter is just a rock star. Everything she does, volleyball, soccer, track,

891
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 6: whatever it is. We'll see where she winds up. She's

892
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 6: interested in IVY League, right, Like, she's an incredible student.

893
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 6: So again, you just have to know your kid, right,

894
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 6: and you have to know when the right time is

895
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 6: to share certain things, and when they have questions. If

896
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 6: they have questions, you address it. You're up front, You're like,

897
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 6: this is mom, right, that's this was my season of

898
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 6: poor choices, and again there were consequences, and because of

899
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 6: certain choices that I made in terms of trying to

900
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 6: cover things up, my consequences are still like a part

901
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 6: of my world now, meaning people don't necessarily believe what

902
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 6: I say all the time, or or they constantly circle

903
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 6: back to that one right, bad decision, like don't allow

904
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 6: that to happen to you. Thankfully now, right, Like, I've

905
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 6: realized that you don't have to stay there, and I'm

906
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 6: creating my narrative and I'm changing up the story and eventually,

907
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 6: hopefully my legacy will not just be that poor decision,

908
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 6: but it'll be you know, wow, Okay, she made a

909
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 6: poor decision, but these are all the lives that she

910
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 6: has affected positively since then, and teaching people like, hey,

911
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 6: I'm the living example, right that once you make a

912
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 6: poor choice, it doesn't have to totally define you. Right, you

913
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 6: can step in the room proud knowing that I'm doing

914
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 6: what I'm supposed to right now, to help people live

915
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 6: a better life, because everybody, not everybody says can understand

916
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 6: being the fastest woman in the world, and they can't

917
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 6: understand a lot of things, but everybody understands heartache, everybody

918
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 6: understands poor decision, every youngbody understands a lie or just

919
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 6: a dark space. How do you deal with it? Do

920
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 6: you know the tools on how to deal with it? Hey?

921
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 5: I do.

922
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 6: I'm here, I'm a shining example that you don't have

923
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 6: to stay there even if the world at a certain

924
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 6: time has knocked you down, continue to knock you down. No,

925
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 6: it doesn't have to be the case.

926
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: So anybody who's followed you, you know, post all of

927
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: that happening, like you are extremely accountable, You're very bored

928
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: about the choices that you made, and you have not

929
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: ducked the smoke, as the kids like to say. But

930
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: at the same time, how was it, How were you

931
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: able to not put yourself in a place of feeling

932
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: a little bit bitter?

933
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: And maybe you went through that place and maybe that

934
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: was part of it.

935
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I say that it is

936
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: like you said something earlier and it's true, is that

937
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: the judge purposely wanted to make an example for you

938
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: or you it was people involved that were the architects of.

939
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: What they were really after that did less time than

940
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: you did.

941
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: And so how do you keep yourself or what did

942
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: you have to do so that you wouldn't fall into

943
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: a state of bitterness over what happened to you.

944
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 6: No, there's no way I'm sitting here and going to

945
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 6: say I haven't experienced any dark space or any type

946
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 6: of depression or any type of bitterness in all of it,

947
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 6: because I had my moments, and to be honest, every

948
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 6: so often, right, I'll sit in it, but I find

949
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 6: that if I don't create small moments and things to

950
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 6: pull me out of it, it can be I can

951
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 6: easily stay there for longer than I need to. And

952
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 6: I also then know I go back to a story

953
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 6: that I've shared a few times in that my family

954
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 6: on my mother's side is from a small, beautiful country

955
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 6: in Central America by the name of Billie Right, and

956
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 6: my mom's father would travel to Guatemala when she was

957
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 6: growing up in Belize. We traveled to Guatemala to work

958
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 6: right to send money back to the family, and one

959
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 6: day he came across a what we would call a

960
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 6: psychic right, and he sat down, he paid his little

961
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 6: paysos right just to see what this lady would say.

962
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 6: And my mom shares a story that the woman told her,

963
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 6: mister Hall's somebody in your family is destined for greatness, right,

964
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 6: someone right. She couldn't point pinpoint who which generation, but

965
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 6: some right, like keep that close to you. He shared

966
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 6: that with my mother my mom and mother shares that

967
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 6: with me. And the reason I tell you that story

968
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 6: is because I have has been I truly feel that

969
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 6: I've been brought into this world to be dare I

970
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 6: say great, but a big thinker, right, meaning that I

971
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 6: Am not going to settle for what somebody says that

972
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 6: I am because I know right that like like my

973
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 6: God has bigger plans for me than one judge or

974
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 6: one individual can ever create for me. Right. And so

975
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 6: how I've been able to turn that around when I

976
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 6: have these moments like you shared of bitterness, I say,

977
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 6: you know what what I've been through for most people

978
00:52:54,440 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 6: would have flatlined them, would have drove them in the ground,

979
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 6: would have you know, you would have never ever heard

980
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 6: from them. And so I like to go back and

981
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 6: say wow, like like like my God must think I

982
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 6: am one bad system because he already knew my story

983
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 6: right before I even walk through it, and he knew

984
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 6: how strong he created me to be. And he knew

985
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 6: that I was not going to fail, right. He knew

986
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 6: there was going to be moments of failure, but he

987
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 6: knew that my big picture was not going to have

988
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 6: a big old f on it, right, And that's what

989
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 6: I hold on too. I Mean, you talk about you know,

990
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 6: people work hard because they're living up to their parents' ideas. No, Right, Like,

991
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 6: I know that I was built for greatness, right, and

992
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 6: so if I allow myself to stay in that dark space,

993
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 6: like what like what a waste of time that would be?

994
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 6: Because I know he has a bigger, bigger, grander story

995
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 6: than anybody can point and say, any judge, any coach,

996
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 6: any of that. Right, So that puls me out of

997
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 6: my dark space.

998
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: Right.

999
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 6: But again, I know everybody doesn't have that view. So

1000
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 6: how do they deal with their dark space? Right? Some

1001
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 6: of the tools that I teach now is create your plan,

1002
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 6: create your life for yourself. You're in your dark space.

1003
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 6: It could be a divorce, it could be a death.

1004
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 6: There could be a bankruptcy, it could be a loss,

1005
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 6: a career you thought you had, which you have no more. Right,

1006
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 6: what's your plan, what's your plan for tomorrow, what's your

1007
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 6: plan for next week, next year, five, ten years from now?

1008
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 6: And you start doing what you need to behind the scenes.

1009
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 6: You don't have to tell anybody, right, right, you start

1010
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 6: taking those classes, right, you start researching different schools for

1011
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 6: your kids out of the ghetto, right where you know

1012
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 6: opportunities are less. Right. And I have a living example

1013
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 6: of a rock star mama who did that for me, right.

1014
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 6: We I was not affluent, but my mom made sure

1015
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 6: that I was in schools in elementary, in middle school,

1016
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 6: in high school, right that were in communities where she

1017
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 6: knew they had resources. We lived, I mean, we were

1018
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 6: a destitute. Like, let's not take this where it doesn't

1019
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 6: need to go. But yeah, I was a in a

1020
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 6: small apartment. We had one bedroom. I was sleeping on

1021
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 6: a couch sometimes because it was in a neighborhood right

1022
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 6: at a high school or at a middle school or

1023
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 6: a junior high that had resources. So my mom was

1024
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 6: thinking beyond her circumstances. There's always a way, right, And

1025
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 6: I'm so fortunate to have a parent like as an

1026
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 6: example like that that you don't have to stay there. Right,

1027
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 6: the world might say you have to stay there, and

1028
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 6: especially in this political climate.

1029
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: Right, there's a whole nother podcast. We won't get to

1030
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: that one.

1031
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 6: It's a whole oh goodness, but we can't. But even

1032
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 6: in all of that says, let me wrap it up

1033
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 6: with a nice vow, we do not have to stay stuff. Right.

1034
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 6: We can create our own narrative no matter what anybody says.

1035
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 1: All right, And just want to mention real You also

1036
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: have a partnership with soul Cap where you're the official

1037
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: brand ambassador for people are like, what a so cap?

1038
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: It is related to swimming, correct?

1039
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 7: Right?

1040
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 6: You know? So briefly I talked about every year you

1041
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 6: need to create a challenge, something out of your comfort zone,

1042
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 6: and I was like, what can that be. I've always

1043
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 6: greatly admired the work ethic of triathletes. Again, it was

1044
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 6: on my bucket list, but most things that I do,

1045
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 6: if I can't commit fully to doing it at this

1046
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 6: point in my life, I'm not going to do it

1047
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 6: because I'm not going to have ass anything. And last

1048
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 6: year I watched my business partner in Susanna Evans, compete

1049
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 6: in her first triathlon after losing one hundred plus pounds

1050
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 6: right and did it. And I went and watched and

1051
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 6: I said to myself, you know what, this is my

1052
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 6: challenge for twenty twenty five. And so right after my

1053
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 6: birthday in October of last year, I hired a coach

1054
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 6: and I started the process. So in May of this year,

1055
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 6: I'm traveling to Honolulu, Hawaii, and I'm going to compete

1056
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 6: in my first triathlon, and in that journey, so many

1057
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 6: little things that I would have never guessed would be

1058
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 6: a challenge. You don't see a lot of us, a

1059
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 6: lot of people of color in the sport of triathlon.

1060
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 6: I'm one of the reasons that I am so interested

1061
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 6: in if it's just to slowly introduce the sport to

1062
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 6: our community and the little things like putting a swim

1063
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 6: cap on our hair right in the pool. And you

1064
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 6: think generally athletes make it look so easy, right, because

1065
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 6: you don't see a lot of us. So when I

1066
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 6: started this, when I'm starting to put these and they're

1067
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 6: popping and they're not big enough, and I'm trying to

1068
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,479
Speaker 6: get all these locks up there, and it is a mess.

1069
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 6: I'm looking like a fool out there at the pool

1070
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 6: and I'm trying to keep it cool, right and kind

1071
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 6: of blending. And I posted on my social media like, hey,

1072
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 6: y'all have any recommendations, and a lot of my followers

1073
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 6: like yet, like have you ever heard of this brand?

1074
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 6: Soul Cap with There are a UK based company that

1075
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 6: makes swim caps for people with a lot of hair,

1076
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 6: not just people of color, but people with a lot

1077
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 6: of hair. But one of the reasons why I partnered

1078
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 6: with them also is because they are interested in bringing

1079
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 6: the sport of swimming to everybody, right and not just

1080
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 6: one genre of people. And so I'm excited to be

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Speaker 6: doing a number of things with them in that world.

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Speaker 6: But the idea of I know how I knew how

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Speaker 6: to swim sif and I knew how to ride a bike,

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Speaker 6: and I knew how to run, But it's different. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: one thing to jump in the pool right in your

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Speaker 6: community pool and like do a dive bomb and swim

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Speaker 6: with kids, But it's a whole other thing to have

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Speaker 6: to swim twenty five meters twenty five meters like NonStop,

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Speaker 6: Like that's a whole other world. So to learn technique

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Speaker 6: at this age in your life, learn how to breathe

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Speaker 6: learn how to not drown, has been a challenge, which

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Speaker 6: is again what I was looking for. Then you talk

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Speaker 6: about the biking aspect, because triathlon has three disciplines, run,

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Speaker 6: the bike and swim. Do I know how to ride

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Speaker 6: a bike?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 6: I know how to ride my BMX around the bike,

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Speaker 6: around the block a lot of times and beat you

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Speaker 6: from here to there. But in terms of on the

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Speaker 6: bike for however many kilometers locked in on that bike

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Speaker 6: with all of you know, fatigue, that's a whole other ballgame.

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Speaker 6: And then you might say, persis you got the running

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Speaker 6: part down? You know how I like to run or.

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Speaker 2: How I Yes, that's a big difference bigs.

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Speaker 6: From here today, all right, I am not circling in

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Speaker 6: this block several several times for miles and miles. And

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Speaker 6: there's a whole other ball game to understand this idea

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Speaker 6: of endurance, But man, it short does relate. Thank you

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Speaker 6: Lord for bringing opportunities my way because it's how I

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Speaker 6: have to go about my life. Like with this endurance

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Speaker 6: type paints we can't go part and fast with everything.

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Speaker 6: You have to learn how to be consistent, how to

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Speaker 6: withstand the time, how to do it for long term

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Speaker 6: so you can last. And so it's been not only

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Speaker 6: applying to the physical challenges that I needed, but man,

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Speaker 6: it's been like a such an eye open when it

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Speaker 6: comes to applying it to my life. Thank you for

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Speaker 6: bringing this opportunity to me, to opportunity to me. So

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Speaker 6: I'm excited that. You know, however many decades the world

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Speaker 6: said she's done, she's disappeared, Like I posted last week,

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Speaker 6: like yo, this is a personal partnership, like this is

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Speaker 6: a pantal. Now you'll want to watch out.

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Speaker 2: This is exactly intrinsically to who you are.

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Speaker 1: And for those who are interested in soul Cap, if

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Speaker 1: you use the code marry in fifteen, you will get

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Speaker 1: fifteen percent off your purchase.

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Speaker 6: And let me tell you, like I know a lot

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Speaker 6: of your listeners, like you have such a diverse group

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Speaker 6: of listeners, but like people with full hair, and you

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Speaker 6: want to get in that pool, you don't want that

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Speaker 6: chlorine all over it. These caps are amazing. They also

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Speaker 6: have lots of weather products and goggles and swimsuits. Check

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Speaker 6: them out. It's an incredible brand.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it good.

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Speaker 6: That's doing right.

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Speaker 2: That's doing good and doing right.

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Speaker 1: My mother is a lifeguard, so trust me, she she

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Speaker 1: all about it. Mary, and I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: for spending this time with me before I let you

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Speaker 1: go go for real. I always ask every guest a

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Speaker 1: messy question to end the podcast, and so my messy

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Speaker 1: question for you Mary and Jones is, or should say

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Speaker 1: Mary Jones Thompson correct?

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Speaker 6: That is your Jones? Because the show got it wrong

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Speaker 6: Mary Jones.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, sure, yeah, all right, they did?

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 2: I was like, wait, are you hyping that?

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Speaker 6: Okay? I thought so.

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Speaker 2: I was like, did you drop it? Or I thought

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Speaker 2: you did? But I was like, what sure?

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Speaker 1: Because listen, as somebody who got married five years ago,

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Speaker 1: I fully understand now why people when they get divorced

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01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: while women keep the name because it is a bitch

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Speaker 1: to change it and coming out of it sucks.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. So a lot of reasons, a lot of reasons,

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Speaker 6: a lot of reas.

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Speaker 2: So I get it.

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Speaker 1: If you have a rematch with Kayla Nicole and those

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Speaker 1: in the gear, are you too peace in her this time?

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Speaker 5: Mary?

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Speaker 2: And I know you got some hands in there somewhere, yo.

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Speaker 6: Kayla and I and we joked about it like we're

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Speaker 6: going at.

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Speaker 2: It there it is and she she would.

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Speaker 6: She would not, she would expect this answer from me, right,

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Speaker 6: like we are not we are strong women of color, right,

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Speaker 6: And I don't care. She's a friend, she's a sister,

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Speaker 6: like I consider her sister. She knows that there's only

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Speaker 6: one way that I go about it. I'll learn like like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: make mistakes, but I learned from them. I ain't going

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Speaker 6: in come on, Kaylen, protect the right. I might be

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Speaker 6: the old lady, but this old lady she's gonna handle

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Speaker 6: her business. It's gonna it would be very, very fun

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Speaker 6: to watch, all right.

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Speaker 1: I think we found the undercar for the next flat

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Speaker 1: Netflix fight.

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Speaker 2: It is Mary and versus Kalin the go.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, Mary and good luck with a second win

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Speaker 1: and most importantly the triathlone. I hope you continue to

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Speaker 1: document your progress and your training on social media. I

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Speaker 1: follow you on there. You're super inspirational. You always have

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Speaker 1: a great positive word for everybody. So for those not

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Speaker 1: following you on Instagram, y'all need to follow her to

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Speaker 1: keep this daily positivity and motivation in your life.

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Speaker 6: So no, it's so good, and I mean, I know,

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Speaker 6: let to get you at the final word, but it's

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Speaker 6: such an honor to be able to chat with you

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Speaker 6: like on this level. I'm a fan of yours as well,

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Speaker 6: mainly because you just keep it real, right. I have

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Speaker 6: the opportunity to talk with a lot of people, and

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Speaker 6: you know, you got to do certain things and talk

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Speaker 6: to certain people. But when you get a chance to

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Speaker 6: connect with the real, real system, like somebody just puts

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Speaker 6: it out there, that's true inspiration. So thank you, Sis

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Speaker 6: for just you being you.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll do take care. One more segment to go,

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Speaker 2: and you guys know what that means.

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Speaker 1: I got questions to answer up next, your viewer slash

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Speaker 1: listener questions, and I have plenty of answers coming up

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Speaker 1: next on the final segment of Spolatives. Before I close

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Speaker 1: out this week's episode, time for a question from the audience.

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Speaker 1: This week's question comes from Anastasia via email. Anastasia writes,

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Speaker 1: not familiar with the start of this conflict, but Hubby

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Speaker 1: was explicit.

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Speaker 2: A little bit and I'm still lost.

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Speaker 1: Could you explain how and or why a franchise won't

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Speaker 1: pay Jimmy because they believe that's his worth, but also

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Speaker 1: won't trade him unless they get what he's worth. I'm

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Speaker 1: so sorry if that doesn't make sense. I reworded it

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Speaker 1: so many times, and fair warning, I am not well.

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Speaker 2: Versed in the world of sports analyzations.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, do me like the doctor had to do

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Speaker 1: Detective Spooner and I Robot and thanks, no worries, Anastasia.

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Speaker 1: I don't know much about this I Robot business, but

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Speaker 1: I can tell you about Jimmy Butler in this situation

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Speaker 1: with the Heat. Now, to understand how the situation got

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Speaker 1: so on, you need to understand a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the culture around the Miami Heat franchise. The NBA is

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Speaker 1: a player's league, and on most teams, superstar players tend

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Speaker 1: to get what they want.

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Speaker 2: But Miami is.

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Speaker 1: Different because it is run by pat Riley, who is

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Speaker 1: known for being tough and hard knows and also a champion. Now,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't cave with superstars, but according to reports, when

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Speaker 1: it came to Jimmy Butler, he supposedly gave far more

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Speaker 1: leeway than he ever did with stars Dwayne Wade and

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Speaker 1: Lebron James, who also played for the Heat. Now, Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Butler was allowed to fly private to stay in hotels

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Speaker 1: separate from the team when they were on the road.

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Speaker 2: The Heat even hired a trainer.

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Speaker 1: Now, what's the number one reason most marriages end in

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Speaker 1: divorce finances?

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Speaker 2: And this situation is no different.

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Speaker 1: Last summer, that Heat had an opportunity to give Butler

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Speaker 1: a two year, one hundred and thirteen million dollar extension

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Speaker 1: and they decided.

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Speaker 2: Not to do that.

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Speaker 1: Now, keep in mind that the Heat lost in the

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Speaker 1: first round of the playoffs last year. Bear not pat

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Speaker 1: Riley blamed Butler's lack of availability for why the Heat

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Speaker 1: didn't make it further in the playoffs. According to the stats,

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Speaker 1: Butler had only been available in sixty four percent of

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Speaker 1: the team's regular season games. So now you have two

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Speaker 1: levels of disrespect. The Heat didn't pay Jimmy Butler and

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Speaker 1: Riley publicly threw a shot at his superstar. Now, some

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Speaker 1: would say, and this ain't wrong. Is this any way

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Speaker 1: to treat a player that has taken you to two

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Speaker 1: NBA finals.

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Speaker 2: I think both of these parties.

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Speaker 1: Though, have managed to look they're worst at different points

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Speaker 1: during this drama. Jimmy Butler is pouting his way out

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Speaker 1: of Miami, and the Heat are trying to teach him

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Speaker 1: a lesson with these pointless suspensions when we all know

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Speaker 1: the end result will be Jimmy Butler getting out of Miami.

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Speaker 2: Now, professionalism isn't too much to ask.

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Speaker 1: When you're getting paid fifty million dollars as Jimmy Butler

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Speaker 1: is this season, And professionalism isn't too much to ask

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Speaker 1: when this was once a player you felt like was

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Speaker 1: the cornerstone of your franchise. Thank you, Anastasia, and I

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Speaker 1: hope that clears some things up now. If you would

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