1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: Cowboys. 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: This is the Cowboys Nation podcast with instant reactions and 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: analysis to breaking news and events in Cowboys Nation. 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: One, eight hundred and thirty four days after it began, 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 3: the Mike McCarthy era has come to a close in Dallas. 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: Breaking news brought to you by the Dallas Cowboys Media 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 3: team with Patrick noci Walker, Nick Eatman, Tommy Yarish. I'm 10 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: Kyle Yeomans as Mike McCarthy and the Dallas Cowboys front 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: office have agreed to part ways following the conclusion of 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 3: his five year contract that is coming to an end 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: on Tuesday, January fourteenth, twenty twenty five. 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 4: Gentlemen, there's a lot to unpack here. 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: We've got about thirty minutes commercial free, but this is 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: the emergency podcast and the Avengers the bat symbol has 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: now been thrown out into the atmosphere to talk about 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 3: what just happened. Nick, I'll let you start as kind 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: of the content manager here. When did this first come 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: down and what led. 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 4: To this decision? 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: Losing to the forty nine ers twice and then losing 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: and losing to Green Bay, like like that's where it started. 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: I mean obviously, because I think I think everybody knows 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: that McCarthy was brought here to take this franchise that 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: Jason Garrett had had, you know, had the keys to 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 2: for almost a decade, and to take it to another level. 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: And I think he did in certain times, certain you 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: know ways you can look at it, but I think 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: not winning in the playoff is kind of what led 31 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: to it. And then this season is as tough as 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 2: it was, it's still you know, there was just too 33 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: many times where I just they didn't look organized, they 34 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: didn't look prepared at times, and and the end result, 35 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: they didn't have success, you know, and they we saw 36 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: trouble before the injuries, so you know that was part 37 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: of it too, But I think it I think the 38 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: lack of playoff success was really the reason. 39 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 4: Three in the. 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 5: Playoffs, Yeah, I agree. I mean, in his five seasons here, 41 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 5: he became one of the winning this head coaches in 42 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 5: franchise history, which is true, but those were regular season wins. 43 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 5: Like you said, Kylin, like you brought up Nick, the 44 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 5: postseason success just wasn't there. He wasn't able to exercise 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 5: some of the demons like San Francisco and then, and 46 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 5: I said this many times, it just felt like the 47 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 5: Green Bay Packers game in January broke broke this team 48 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 5: because they were never the same, especially at at and 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 5: T Stadium in the games that followed that, in the 50 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 5: you know, the corresponding season. So you know, credit to 51 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 5: both Mike's Zimmer and McCarthy for keeping the fight in 52 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 5: this locker room over the back end of the season. 53 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 5: We looked at weaw what happened with San Francisco and 54 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 5: Miami and some of the other locker rooms fracturing when 55 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 5: things were down. Uh, he kept the fight going, but 56 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, there was just too much. 57 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 5: And like you said, Nick well put, the injuries certainly 58 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 5: helped torpedo the season, but things were not great before 59 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 5: those injuries started to kind of rain down. So so 60 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 5: here we are. 61 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: Was it was it the injuries or did the things 62 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: really go downhill when Tommy got here? I mean I 63 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: wanted it to. 64 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 6: There's a correlation to be to be all right, all right, sorry, no, well, 65 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 6: aside from he was born right side. 66 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, that'side from damn, that's fair. 67 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 7: I mean, I haven't even got a chance to tell 68 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 7: my two cents, yet it's already give your two cents. No, 69 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 7: you know, I think these guys make great points, you know, 70 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 7: aside from my hiring. 71 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 8: I mean when you when. 72 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 7: You look at the last the last three years, going 73 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 7: twelve and five, that's all great, But I think that 74 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 7: it's been clear and this makes it especially clear that 75 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 7: the standard here is to win games in the playoffs 76 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 7: and unfortunately for Micha McCarthy didn't do that during. 77 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 8: His time in Dallas. 78 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 7: So if that's what Jerry Jones this front office is 79 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 7: looking for, then this decision makes sense. 80 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 8: You know, seven and ten this season. 81 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 7: You know, you could talk about injuries, but he said 82 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 7: start of the year, this did not look like a 83 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 7: very well coached team, and there were there's penalties have 84 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 7: been an issue all year. Discipine's been an issue all 85 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 7: you think about the game again the Bengals, where you 86 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 7: just got to get out of the way if you're 87 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 7: a money or warrior. 88 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 8: It's just little details like that. But those little details. 89 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 7: Start to add up as the season goes along, and 90 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 7: that's why you see a seven and ten finish, and 91 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 7: ultimately I think that's one of the reasons why you 92 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 7: see the Joneses and Micha McCarthy not being able to 93 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 7: strike a deal here. 94 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: Well, and I think this is a microcosm of the 95 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 3: downfalls of the last five years. Right when you're the 96 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 3: head coach of a football team and you're expected to 97 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: elevate them two postseason success to taking a team to 98 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,559 Speaker 3: an NFC championship game, to a super Bowl and getting 99 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: back to that point where they haven't been in so 100 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: very long. It doesn't all fall on you from an 101 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: x's and oh standpoint, from a preparation standpoint, from a 102 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: roster building standpoint, but you will be the one held accountable, 103 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: win or loose. He's just plain and simple how it 104 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: works in the NFL, and I think that's where Mike 105 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 3: McCarthy had his success and his downfalls. He did a 106 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: lot with this team and we've talked about it on 107 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: Talking Cowboys too, did a lot with this team and 108 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 3: the injuries late in the season, but completely understand and Baltimore, 109 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: New Orleans some of those downfalls early in the season 110 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: where you're supposed to match up or surpass those teams 111 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: on paper and you don't necessarily do that. And now 112 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 3: that's where this decision comes down to an end. 113 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: I think this has to be pointed out though, though, 114 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: because this definitely feels like the first five minutes of 115 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: this show feels like cowboys moving on from Mike McCarthy, 116 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: which is what's happened. But let's also there's the second 117 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: side to it. Yeah, like this could be really a 118 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: free agent type thing where I think Jerry I think 119 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: they he wanted him back. I mean, I think if 120 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: for the right price, because you wouldn't deny the Bears 121 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: to talk to him if you didn't want to negotiate. 122 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 4: Your way at least at some level. 123 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: But when you look at the agent that he has, 124 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: which is I think he McCarthy's agent's the same agent 125 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: as Harbaugh and Peyton, and they're making a lot more 126 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: than ten million. They're making more like twelve to fifteen 127 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: million a year. Then I think that's what they're looking at. Say, hey, 128 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: I've won a super Bowl, just like these guys, and 129 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: you know, or national championship or whatever. I've won a 130 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: super Bowl, and I think that that's that's a big 131 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: part of it. So I think he left on his 132 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: own terms. But I think Jerry, somebody told me this. 133 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: There's a great line. I think Jerry made him an 134 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 2: offer he could refuse. 135 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that. 136 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,119 Speaker 2: That's probably what happened. 137 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 4: There's an element to that. 138 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 5: I think that happened because we mentioned talking Cowboys. We've 139 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 5: we've said this, and I've said this as recently as 140 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 5: last week when I said, this is free agency is 141 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 5: a two way street, and this is not a Garrett 142 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 5: situation wherein the exit of Garrett, there weren't teams calling 143 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 5: trying to get interest in interviews with Garrett McCarthy. Even 144 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 5: though this was a down season for him with the 145 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 5: Cowboys seven to ten, he still has leveraging that there 146 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 5: are other teams like the Chicago Bears, and I believe 147 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 5: eventually here will come the New Orleans Saints knocking on 148 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 5: his door. He exactly. Now that being said, you posed 149 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 5: a great question not so long ago on the same panel, 150 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 5: and you said, if we as individuals wanted to keep McCarthy, 151 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 5: what would that contract look like? And I jumped out 152 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,239 Speaker 5: there and I said, Hey, based on the strong finish 153 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 5: to the back end of the season, I would be 154 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 5: willing to bring him back. But what did I say? 155 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 5: Two years? And I said, my offer will be two years. 156 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 5: But he probably will not take my two year offer. 157 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 5: I think that's really what it boiled down to. I 158 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 5: think that Jerry did want him back. Jerry put an 159 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 5: offer oute there. Maybe Mike wonted five million with a 160 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 5: certain salary. Jerry probably wanted two or three as kind 161 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 5: of like a Mulligan with a team out after the 162 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 5: first year or so, and the money wasn't there, And 163 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 5: Mike respectfully shook hands, shook his hand and said, you 164 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 5: know what, I'm going to see what else is out there. 165 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: I want to read the statement from Jerry Jones regarding 166 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: the decision on Mike McCarthy that they have put out there. 167 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll blow through this real quick. 168 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: Throughout Mike McCarthy's tenure here, including the last several weeks, 169 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: I have been very complimentary of the job that he 170 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: has done. He has applied to, or has applied to, 171 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: our record over that time period, our team unity and culture, 172 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: Mike's qualifications and track record of success, and on a 173 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: personal level as a tremendous human being, Set owner, President, 174 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: General Manager Jerry Jones, I have a great respect for Mike, 175 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: and he has led the team through some very unique 176 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: and challenging times during his tenure very much so. Over 177 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 3: the past week, Mike and I had the opportunity to 178 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: conduct a joint review of all aspects of the past season, 179 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,559 Speaker 3: our players, and our staff, and have spent considerable time 180 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: discussing the road forward for the team. These discussions were 181 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: thorough and received an appropriate amount of time and depth 182 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: to cover. Prior to reaching the point of contract negotiations, 183 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: though it became mutually clear that it would be better 184 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: for each of us to head in a different direction. 185 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: I think Mike and wish him, his wife, Jessica, and 186 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: their family the best. They have been a wonderful part 187 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: of our community here. We will commence a search process 188 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: immediately to hire the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. 189 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 7: End quote your key line right there is prior to 190 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 7: reaching the point of contract negotiations, though it became mutually 191 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 7: clear that it would be better for each of us 192 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 7: and in a different direction. So that tells me all 193 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,239 Speaker 7: I need to know about. You were talking about leverage. 194 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 7: You were talking about this being part of McCarthy not 195 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 7: necessarily wanting to agree to terms. 196 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 8: So that's your story. 197 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: Well, and I don't think any of us here, nor 198 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: would Jerry in the front office say it all together 199 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 3: encompassing to say that Mike McCarty was given a fair 200 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: shot in twenty two. Absolutely, I don't think that can 201 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: be said. The injuries are one thing, but the roster 202 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 3: and the lack of salary cap and the lack of 203 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: talent that they added throughout the offseason. He absolutely confessed. 204 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: He said, unique challenges and this is all a part 205 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: of it, the all in from last year. I know 206 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: everybody's sick of hearing that term, but it puts an 207 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: unnecessary amount of pressure on the coaching staff. So it's 208 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: not out of the question for Mike McCarty to say, Hey, 209 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: New Orleans is calling, Chicago is calling. Las Vegas is open. 210 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 3: There are other openings across the way. Why not have 211 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 3: at least a look outside of this building. If McCarthy's unsure, 212 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: and Jerry Jones is unsure, because he's talked about it 213 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 3: before too. Jerry has said on numerous occasions, you don't 214 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 3: know the check I would write in order to ensure 215 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: the best chance at winning a Super Bowl outside of 216 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: the salary cap restrictions that they're given. Head coaches don't 217 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 3: count towards your salary cap. You can write whatever check 218 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 3: you want he hasn't done that for Mike mcca arthy. 219 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 3: That tells me he wasn't completely sold on or anyone 220 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: in McCarthy correct. And if that's the case, maybe it 221 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 3: was the decision they looked across the table, looked inward 222 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: and said, this isn't best for me as Mike McCarthy, 223 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: It isn't best for you as Jerry Jones. Maybe this 224 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: is the time that we just walk our different ways. 225 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: And it could be as simple as that. 226 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's other I think there's other factors involved here, 227 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: you know, because there's there's a lot of I mean, 228 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: every coach is a is a free agent. Now this 229 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: does start at the top, but you know, I mean 230 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: you also have you know, you have your director of 231 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: a vice president of Almo said security the same yeah, 232 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 2: player security, right, But as far as you know the 233 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: draft and and uh you know everything you know with 234 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: scouting and Will McLay and so you know, I think 235 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: that you know, there's a part of it too where 236 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: you're just trying to, you know, figure out where you're 237 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: going next here, what are they doing, what's what's the 238 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: next you know, what's the top priority? And you know, 239 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: I definitely think they're going to try to keep Will 240 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: McClay in here as well. Now, his contract expires at 241 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: the end of the draft, but I'm sure there's some 242 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: teams some GM jobs that are the first. 243 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 4: Week in May. It's the week after the draft concludes. 244 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: But if a team wants to make him the GM, 245 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: he could leave right now because if he wanted to. 246 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: So I think I think there's just a lot of 247 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: factors involved here more than just is McCarthy good enough 248 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: to come back or does he want to come back. 249 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 4: There's a lot going on, And I will order back 250 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: to that relationship. I mean, there's a lot of different. 251 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 5: A ton and I will say this to the Will 252 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 5: McClay point is that and Nick, you and nine Tommy 253 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 5: and I Colt, and now we've all had this conversation 254 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 5: and we are in agreements that Will McClay is the 255 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 5: single most valuable free agent in this organization right now. 256 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 5: That being said, one of the ways I would entice 257 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 5: Will McLay to stick around after his before his contract aspires, 258 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 5: and I would say, hey, you get to have a 259 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 5: hand in who the next head coach is got to be, 260 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 5: So let him into that process, bring him into it 261 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 5: and you could only retain Will McClay. But now you 262 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 5: have a more cohesiveness. And it's something that you brought 263 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 5: up Tommy a few episodes of Going Talking Cowboys, we 264 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 5: talked about alignment. Okay, So if you want to get 265 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 5: closer to that singularity in that alignment, you bring Will 266 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 5: McClay into that fold and ask him to help with 267 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 5: the hiring process as well. 268 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 4: It wouldn't even really be a help, it would be 269 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 4: a significant portion agreed of the hiring process. 270 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 7: And an important part of that alignment that you mentioned 271 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 7: is alignment on your roster too. This roster and the 272 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 7: decisions that whether it be Will McLay, whoever it will be, 273 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 7: and whoever this coaching staff coming in is going to be, 274 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 7: is going to have to be on alignment on the 275 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 7: type of guys, the type of players that they want 276 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 7: on their roster. We leave it the Senior Bowl in 277 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 7: two weeks, so that's going to be your first big 278 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 7: event of like, yeah, take, take, But that's what I'm 279 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 7: saying is these decisions need to need to happen somewhat quickly. 280 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I hope the head coach goes if he's 281 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 2: if he's hired. 282 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, I would, I would. 283 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: I would say that Smarthy had zero interest in the 284 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: Senior Bowl even year one, right. 285 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and now he said it's because of the changes 286 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: that they've made and the coaches can't really be on 287 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: the field and all that stuff. But you know, they 288 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: get a suite, there's what's a lot there? Now, Yeah, 289 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: you're right, it's moved to a different location. But yeah, 290 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if I cut you off. 291 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 5: We don't. 292 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 8: We're not just saying like that. 293 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 7: But that's the first marker of an event of like, hey, 294 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 7: you know you got especially with this team, when you 295 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 7: don't know what free agency is going to look like 296 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 7: for them, You don't know who they're going to resign 297 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 7: and how limited they're going to be in the salary cap. 298 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 7: If this is a team that's going to build through 299 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 7: the draft, that becomes increasingly more important, and stuff events 300 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 7: like the Senior Bowl and the Combine become increasingly more important. 301 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 7: So some stuff's got to get figured out so you 302 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 7: can go in with an idea of hey, what are 303 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 7: we looking for, what are our what are our positions 304 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 7: of need, and how do we move forward in the 305 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 7: new scheme. 306 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to point out this and and 307 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: I've used this analogy on my show before. But you know, 308 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of talk from DAK and CD 309 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: and players said, Micah, they said the right things about 310 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 2: their support for McCarthy, you know, and the players. He's 311 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: always been a player's coach. But I say this, and 312 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 2: this will take you back to you know, your your 313 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: your days in school and Tommy, you know, a few 314 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: weeks ago. But literally, but everyone loved the sub right 315 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: when the sub came in. 316 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 4: You're like the substitute. 317 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone loved the substitute. They're like, okay, why because 318 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: he's easy, Because he or she or she is not 319 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: gonna be the same. It's gonna be easy. And that's 320 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: all good paper, airplanes flying and all that stuff. Well y, 321 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: everyone loves Mike. 322 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 4: Everyone like, well, of course, turns on a movie. 323 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: You ever been on there? You ever been over it? 324 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: On Friday? I mean, I mean like, they don't practice 325 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: like other teams. I'm sorry, I'll just say it. They 326 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: don't practice like other teams. Do other teams practice on Fridays? 327 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: They don't. He takes them off their feet, off their 328 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: leg and he's taking care of them, which is great. Certainly, 329 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: didn't help from the injury front. But still, but my 330 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: point is is that the players love him, yeah, because 331 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: he does a good job of taking care of him. 332 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: But sometimes, you know, they didn't like Jimmy Johnson early 333 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: on the Giants. They didn't like Parcels because he was 334 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: an ass to them. Was he a good coach? Yes, 335 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: So there's got to be that balance. And I'm saying, 336 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: while everyone loves having McCarthy here, the players, at least 337 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: that's what they said there is there It's okay not 338 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: to like your head coach for because he's doing his 339 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: job to get you ready to play. And so that's 340 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: where I think it's okay for them to say, well, 341 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: maybe maybe the next coach shouldn't doesn't have to be 342 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: the most well liked person in the world. 343 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 5: So think about it from a Mike Zimmer standpoint, right. 344 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 5: We just recently heard Mike Zimmer say that he regrets 345 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 5: not being his normally heavy handed itself and that's come 346 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 5: anticipated he will come in and he would be the 347 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 5: bulldog that he normally is. And he said that he 348 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 5: softened his approach for several reasons. One, he wanted they 349 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 5: were a successful defense. He didn't want to uproot that. 350 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 5: But there were other things that he just he chose 351 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 5: to come in a little bit more softly. And it 352 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 5: was the back end of the season where he became 353 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 5: that hard nosed guy, don't you do it? It became 354 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 5: that hard nosed head coach, which was like the old 355 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 5: ball coach. He became the Steve Spurrier type thing. And 356 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 5: that coincided with the defense turning around. And after the 357 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 5: season you go back and you ask Mike Zimmer what 358 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 5: he said. He was like, I regret that I didn't 359 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 5: start out that way. 360 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: Well because he met he met his defensive end like that, 361 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: more like, hey, how you doing? Oh up from the 362 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: practic squad? Okay, go rush up quarterback. I mean like 363 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: every week it was somebody like that. You're not gonna 364 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: yell at somebody you just met. Yeah, And there's a 365 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: lot of that going on too. 366 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 4: But there's a lot of that going on. 367 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: I think that brings up the point though, like you said, 368 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: does that show us a roadmap as to who the 369 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: next head coach could be? Because we're halfway through this 370 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: emergency podcast and we've talked a lot about McCarthy and 371 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: the way he's gone out the door whether it's by 372 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: his decision or the coaches or the front office's decision. 373 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 4: Now the plane in simple matter is there will be 374 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 4: a new head coach. Who's next, who's gonna take over? 375 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at it from the outside 376 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: looking in, this is a team with a franchise quarterback, and. 377 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 4: Check you got that. 378 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: You've got all pros in every level of your offense 379 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: and your defense. So you have top one through eight 380 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: on your roster. 381 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: You feel really good. 382 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: Maybe one through ten you got a great kicker, you've 383 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 3: got a great return man. You've got a couple of 384 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: different free agents along the way that you've got to 385 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: kind of make sure. 386 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 4: But the eleventh through fifty three. 387 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: On this roster is not necessarily anything to write home about. 388 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 3: Neither is the salary cap situation and the fact it 389 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 3: could be a good thing or a bad thing. You've 390 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 3: got to hire an entire staff to figure it out. 391 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 3: With a question mark around your de facto player personnel 392 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 3: leader in Will mcclay's contract coming up too, this isn't 393 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 3: an easy opening, even though it does have some pros 394 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 3: and it does have some cons. 395 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 4: Where do you look, where do you start? Well? 396 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 7: I think the fact that You've got your three arguably 397 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 7: most important positions checked off. You've got an all Pro quarterback, 398 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 7: You've got an all Pro wide receiver and all Pro 399 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 7: pass rusher that is going to be attractive to any 400 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 7: coach at any level of football. 401 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: They're under contract, and they all want to get Mike. 402 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: Track might want to get Mike done. 403 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 4: Mike, I have a. 404 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: Good villain, a pissed off pass rusher who didn't make 405 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: All Pro. 406 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 8: There you go. 407 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 4: So but they're all Pro caliber players, right. 408 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 8: I think that's no doubt about it. Absolutely, So you 409 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 8: can mind that. 410 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 7: But you make a good point about eleven through fifty 411 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 7: three being you know where this team needs to make 412 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 7: up for it. And that's why this draft is so important, 413 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 7: and that's why free agency Ultimately, I don't think the 414 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 7: Cowboys approach from last season is going to work this 415 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 7: time around. If you want to be a super Bowl 416 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 7: contending team, you've got to get players. I'm not saying 417 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 7: you have to break the bank and throw fifty million 418 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 7: dollars at three different guys, but you've got to find 419 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 7: guys that can fill in certain roles. You don't need 420 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 7: all pros at all twenty two positions and not every 421 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 7: Super Bowl team has had that. 422 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 8: You just need guys. 423 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 7: Who fit your scheme, who fit what you're trying to do, 424 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 7: and find guys who can surround Michael Parsons and play well. 425 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 7: I mean, look at what Karl Lawson did this great 426 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 7: example to research his career. You know, you can look 427 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 7: at some cornerbacks that you can try to add to 428 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 7: this roster because you went through what seven or eight 429 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 7: seven eight different starters this season, so that that's the 430 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 7: most important part to me, regardless of who comes into 431 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 7: this organization. But I do think that those three cornerstones 432 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 7: and dak CD and Micah are going to be attractive 433 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 7: for head coaches. 434 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 5: And not to be forgotten, you also have two all 435 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 5: pro cornerbacks. Right, We'll see when Trevon can come back. 436 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 5: But you got Deron Bland, you know, new injury. Notwithstanding 437 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 5: because this one came out of nowhere, you have several 438 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 5: cornerstone pieces. So agreed, eleven through fifty three doesn't look great. 439 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 5: That being said, if I'm a potential incoming head coach candidate, 440 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 5: this actually looks very attractive for me because some of 441 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 5: the other vacancies that are out there don't have any 442 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 5: of those cornerstone pieces, let alone several. 443 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, you got like a quarterback here, a wide receiver there. 444 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 5: That's kind of good, right. 445 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 4: That's one age also back in New Orleans, the. 446 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 5: Fact that every assistant and position coach is on an 447 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 5: expiring contract. I get to sit back and say, okay, 448 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 5: I get to bring in my entirety, my entire unit. 449 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 5: That's what Mike McCarthy mostly did, right, So it worked 450 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 5: well on the d right, but to his credit, Nolan 451 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 5: was out of here in one year. But the over 452 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 5: Archie point is, if you're a head coach and you're 453 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 5: looking at this Dalla situation, you're saying, okay, when I 454 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 5: come in, I know for a fact that I get 455 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 5: carte blanche over saying who my assistants are because this 456 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 5: guy's not in the contract, so he's left over from 457 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 5: the previous regime. No, he's not know is he knows? 458 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 5: He knows? 459 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: He? 460 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 5: So I get that as a positive. Plus, I get 461 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 5: my cornerstone pieces. The rest is just where are you 462 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 5: with the salary cap? And I continue to contend anyone 463 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 5: who follows me knows. I continue to contend that they're 464 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 5: not as bad with the salary cap. In twenty twenty 465 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 5: five as you're being sold. But that's a conversation for 466 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 5: a different podcast. It's an attractive job. The main question 467 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 5: is can you handle and shouts out to the documentary 468 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 5: to what we do here? Can you handle the weight 469 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 5: of the star? Can you come into this organization and 470 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 5: handle an understanding that above all that logo weighs a 471 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 5: lot more than the Chicago Bears logo, the Jacksonville Jaguars logo, 472 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 5: even the New Orleans Saints logo. And there are some 473 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 5: candidates who can, like a Pete Carroll, for example, or 474 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 5: a Sean McVay if you were willing to trade for 475 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 5: Sean McVay. There are some candidates out there who know 476 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 5: what it feels like and who have performed at a 477 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 5: high level under the brightest of lights. 478 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: There's also a lot of uncertainty, and I don't know 479 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 3: other candidates too. That's what makes this intriguing is there 480 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 3: are names out there. There are like that You're actually 481 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: gonna have an article online later, right. 482 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 5: Mean today, after we've done with this emergency podcast. Twinty 483 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 5: candidates that the Cowboys will likely be interested. 484 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: I want to hear something any of them former Cowboy players. 485 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 4: One only one. 486 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 3: I'm kind of shocked by that, are you. 487 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 4: There's one that's that's another one that the. 488 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 5: Age, but he's a huge banner. Yeah, so there there 489 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 5: are a couple. 490 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 4: But there's there's a d C and uh in Detroit too. 491 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 5: There is three right, three right there? 492 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 2: So Aaron Moore I forgot about. 493 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 3: So and this is that would be my if I 494 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 3: if I had the decision and I had the interview, 495 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 3: that would be where I started. 496 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 7: Well, an important note for Glenn and I know Ben 497 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 7: Johnson will probably be another name that's turned around there 498 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 7: a lot. If the Cowboys wanted to interview them, they'd 499 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 7: have to wait until after the Lions season. 500 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 6: Is over now because they didn't take event, which would 501 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 6: be after the Senior Bowl, and then that just won't 502 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 6: work because they need to go to mobile right correct ideally, 503 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 6: So twenty names I'll be dropping after the podcast, and 504 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 6: it's a mix. It's a mix of experienced guys like 505 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 6: Pete Carroll and Sean McVay and what it would take 506 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 6: to get a Sean McVay and some names that the 507 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 6: people might cringe at, you know, a John Gruden or 508 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 6: maybe you're not in on Ron Rivero. But these are 509 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 6: proven guys that they're going to be interested in, and. 510 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 5: Then you have no he might end up with the 511 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 5: Jets again. But then you have you know, coordinators like 512 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 5: Kella Moore with no head coaching experience. You have obviously 513 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 5: we talked about Aaron Gla. Ben Johnson is going to 514 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 5: be on this list, and we talk about some of 515 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 5: the less experienced ones who are coming from the collegiate 516 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 5: level who might have some interest in trying to interview 517 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 5: with the Cowboys, like Elaine Kiffin or say it, Steve 518 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 5: ske made him say, I made him say it. So, yeah, 519 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 5: there's going to be a robust list, a lot of 520 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 5: interesting candidates, and we don't know what direction Jerry's going 521 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 5: to go in because his archetype is to go with 522 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 5: the proven guy. Okay, but let's start there then, But yeah, 523 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 5: does he break rank this time? 524 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 8: Could? 525 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: But if you were to, if you were to look 526 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 3: at the list and put most likely up there, would 527 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 3: there be more of the breaking rank and going with 528 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: the younger, unproven coordinators nick or would it be more 529 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 3: so the experienced, improven. 530 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 2: Head coaches more so that? 531 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, the second one. 532 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 2: So where would you put two o's in that? More? Uh? 533 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: That's where I think Kellen Moore, I think is the 534 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 2: one that makes the most sense for Jerry. 535 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 5: Okay, if you put a. 536 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: For Jerry, think about what it takes, you talk about 537 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 2: the way to the start on that. Here's somebody that's 538 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: been here as a coach, been here as player. Uh 539 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: and similar to Jason Garrett as far as understanding what 540 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: it takes to be the coach here, understanding that sometimes 541 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: your practice field has has a you know, an event, 542 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: an event going on, right, you have to adapt. And 543 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: we always laugh when Jason Garrett said something, you've got 544 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: to be ready to play at the you know, home 545 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 2: away park a lot of the moon, but he felt 546 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 2: that way and some and I don't know if McCarthy 547 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: always did a great job of understanding that or get 548 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: you know, so you have to understand what this is 549 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 2: and being being you know, the coach here at the Cowboys. 550 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: And I think Kellen, you check that that box off. 551 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: Is he a young, bright offensive guy. Yes, you could 552 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: do that. You could definitely say that does does this 553 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: hurt the team that you can't beat right now? Maybe 554 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 2: I mean hand the ball off to Barkley. I think 555 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 2: any offensive coordinator can be able to you know, and 556 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: I say that and also saying, well, then how great 557 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: has has Kellen Moore really been? Then if I think that. 558 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 4: Way didn't last, right, he didn't know, he had a. 559 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: Lot of weapons there didn't didn't work, But it's working 560 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: here and phil I think he's done a much better job. 561 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: And I think it kind of fits the multi he's 562 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: the guy. I'm not saying that would be my choice, 563 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,479 Speaker 2: but I think that that that checked a lot of boxes. 564 00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: That what Jerry's looking for. 565 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 5: That's my when I said real quick time, I thought 566 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 5: over that's my concern with Kellen and Philadelphia is that 567 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 5: you have an all world running back who's back at 568 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 5: peak for him, and he's fully healthy, and we knew 569 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 5: what Saquan could be before he had the injury issues 570 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 5: in New York. You have him running behind an all 571 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 5: world offensive line, so it's not difficult to scheme up 572 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 5: something to say, just hand it off to Barclay. Run 573 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 5: behind those guys who are averaging one plus y one 574 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 5: yard more than any other offensive line in the league 575 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 5: as far as before contact is made on their running back. 576 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 5: And I was reading through I can't remember who the 577 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 5: account was on Twitter, but it was a fantastic breakdown 578 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 5: of in the Eagles win yesterday, Kellen Moore actually did 579 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 5: not call a great game, and he has film clips 580 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 5: supporting that as well. So yeah, it makes sense in 581 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 5: the aspect of everything Nick said. In addition to the 582 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 5: fact that boy Jerry Jones does love his personal relationships, 583 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 5: That's how Jason Garrett was able to ascend to his role. 584 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 5: And I say that the say Jerry also doesn't like 585 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 5: to feel as if something he puts so much time 586 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 5: into is not going to pay off for him. So 587 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 5: I could see for that reason alone killing Moore. Get 588 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 5: He's already invested. He's so invested in killing Moore at 589 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 5: this point. 590 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 7: You guys make great points as to why Kellen Moore 591 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 7: makes sense and to the point of them to them 592 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 7: and to the point of to the point of me, 593 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 7: to the point of great running backs with Kellen Moore. 594 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 7: I mean, when if you look at the hypothetical of 595 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 7: Kellen Moore coming back to Dallas as the head coach, 596 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 7: They've got the twelfth overall pick and there's a kid 597 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 7: from Kellen Moore's I'm a Matter who's pretty good at 598 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 7: running back. So that's all just just something to consider 599 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 7: there too. 600 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 5: If if you get you probably get at you. 601 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 7: If you defer back to Jerry Jones's like what you said, 602 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 7: looking for a proven guy, a guy who's won a 603 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 7: super Bowl and who's done it before. Then I think 604 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 7: Pete Carroll is the name that makes the most sense. 605 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 7: But I think I think there's Is it safe to 606 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 7: say that's your top two? No, I don't know that's 607 00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 7: top two. 608 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: It's hard to really put a label anyway, as far 609 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: as experience the twelve hours into this, right. 610 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: Would you drop number twelve for Sean McVay, No, I 611 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: would not. Second round forty four. 612 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 4: Second round yeah, second round, yeah, But I don't think. 613 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 4: I don't first round in LA, I don't. 614 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 5: I don't know how they're going to approach for age. 615 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: I hear you. You know, you're like, if the Rams 616 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: say now we want a. 617 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 4: First round pick, I think that's what it would take. 618 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 2: And you're like, okay, well, your your head coach wants out. 619 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: He doesn't want necessarily to be here. Let's just say 620 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: that that's still the case. 621 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 4: Say they're in the playoffs and they're playing well. 622 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: I think that was the case when they had the 623 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 2: trophy in his hand. 624 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 4: It was true. 625 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: He was like, I might it happens. I've seen it 626 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: in Jimmy, So winning didn't always cure all that. But 627 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 2: my point is is, Okay, let's say that is the 628 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 2: case your coach wants to leave and he's like, okay, 629 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: first round pick. No, we're not doing that, are you 630 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: Just you're like, oh sorry, then I mean tough deal 631 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: with it. No you can, because just think about it. 632 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: Do you want a head coach? I mean, Jerry said 633 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 2: it the other day and I agree. I mean, if 634 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: you really want your head with one foot out the door, 635 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: like no, like he's gonna spend all the hours, all 636 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, that they'll start with the first but 637 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: they'll negotiate if your coach doesn't want to be here. 638 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: If they if they land on a second round pick 639 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 3: at forty four. As much i host the draft show, 640 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: I love the NFL draft. I love having many many 641 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: darts at the dart board. And you're already without a 642 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 3: fourth round pick. That's a different conversation. 643 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: But you have a receiver. 644 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 4: I'm scared if he can get a good pass former second. 645 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: If he can't get a good pass, yeah, he'll be fine. 646 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 3: Uh. 647 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 4: If they land at forty four. 648 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 3: I would do that because you're getting a guy who's 649 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 3: not only shown that he's established, he can build with 650 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 3: a crappy situation. 651 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 652 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: That's the other thing too, is Sean McVay is won 653 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: there in a similar, if not worse situation from a 654 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 3: salary cap and a roster and a lack of talent standpoint, 655 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 3: and he's in a playoffs again doing so winning. 656 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 4: Their division though it be a down division. I don't care. 657 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: He's a good head coach and he's one of the 658 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 3: leaders of this new wave of head coaches that you 659 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 3: have not tapped into yet from a coaching staff. 660 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 8: Standpoint, you know. 661 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: And I'll throw this out too, Like the last I 662 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 2: think it was forty Pro Bowls, the last forty Pro 663 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: Bowls selections that goes back to the last six seasons, 664 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: thirty three of them are first or second round picks. 665 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: So the thought that you can just get any running 666 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: back to come in here, that's not always the case. 667 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 2: You know, most of most of the success we've seen 668 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: lately first and second round picks. There's a couple of, 669 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 2: you know, exceptions. One of them is Kyron Williams, a 670 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: fifth round pick, which is in the last. Now Tony 671 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: Pollard's another moster, it's another some third rounders or Kamara, 672 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: but but heavily first and second round. So it means 673 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 2: if you're gonna go, you know you want to, you 674 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: want to stud, you got to get one relatively high, 675 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: maybe even first round. But the offense that Sean McVay 676 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: ran showed you that, you know he had some success with. 677 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: Now Gurley was was in there, right, and you know 678 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 2: he was a first round pick of course, but I 679 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: forget the backups name they came in in the playoff 680 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: game and just shred the cowboy. 681 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: Anderson, yeah not Mario and now there was number thirty 682 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 3: eight or something like that. 683 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 8: Whatever. 684 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he played for he played for Denver. I'll tell 685 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: you that. 686 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 5: He's one that. 687 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 4: Cried on the meme. Yeah right, that's right. 688 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a funny Anderson story. I could say, 689 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: aff air, Okay, yeah, air my concern. 690 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 5: Well, first I will say, just to be clear, I 691 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 5: would in fact give up a second round pick to 692 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 5: acquire Sean, But for me, it would then have to 693 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 5: be a conversation with McVeigh before I put the trigger 694 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 5: on that pick. In that I know that you kind 695 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 5: of talked about retirement here recently. I know that you 696 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 5: have by in. Yeah, I know that you have both 697 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 5: eyes on TV money. How how long? And TV money 698 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 5: asked Tony Romo. TV money is extensive. How long is 699 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 5: your actual commitment going to be because I'm not giving 700 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 5: up a second round pick for me to have to 701 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 5: find another head coach twelve months from now, that's not. 702 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 4: Even five years. 703 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: I asked that question today and the answer that I got, 704 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: and again, I don't know if this is the most 705 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: informed person, but he said, Sean McVay is really smart. 706 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: He knows how to play the game. 707 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 4: So it was like, it doesn't convince me. 708 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 2: Well, I know, but it could be like is he 709 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 2: really unhappy? Does he really want to go to TV 710 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: or is he just saying I could go to TV? 711 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: If it's saying, doesn't you know, like like you're kind 712 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: of throwing that stuff out there. So again we're going 713 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: down that road. I'm not even sure that. I still 714 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: think Kellen Moore is the one that makes the most sense. 715 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 2: I think if them to them, well yeah, well we're 716 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: not making the decision, so yeah, it's got always to them. 717 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: I think the wild card here is witting. 718 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 4: That's a good one. 719 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: But I think he'll be. 720 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 5: Position coach though. I but right, position coach for Jason. 721 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 4: He's done a great job at our guy a liberty Christian. 722 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: But let me preface that it's our guy, a liberty 723 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: Christian at the taps level of Division one high school football. 724 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: I'm not going to and I hear you. 725 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 4: Give him a head coaching job in the NF I 726 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 4: hear you. 727 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 2: But after his fourth year in the league, he was 728 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: a coach. He was a coach here in the NFL. 729 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: He coached these guys and these tight ends and the titles. 730 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: That's the case, we might as well hire Zach Martin. 731 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 3: I mean, once he's done. 732 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 5: My answer is yes, I'm just saying, but I tell 733 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 5: you we're talking about these guys and flipping it to 734 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 5: We talked about the assistance and how they're not on 735 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 5: the contract anymore. When you and we talked about this, 736 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 5: when you talk about bringing Witt, and I said, okay, 737 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 5: I would only bring in Witness a position coach. Obviously, 738 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 5: what's the most obvious position he would take over. It 739 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 5: would be tight ends. I would not do that at 740 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 5: the expense of lond Wells. Maybe you move lound Wells 741 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 5: to a different situation, maybe offensive line. Right, So lond 742 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 5: Wells is a guy that I have to keep in 743 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 5: the building. Guess who else I have to keep in 744 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 5: the building, Al Harris. I have to keep Al Harris 745 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 5: in the building. Now. Is that in the capacity of 746 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 5: a defensive coordinator? Because I don't think coach coming in exactly. 747 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 5: There's so many pieces that have to be ironed out, 748 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 5: and I'm just not looking forward to writing. Like I 749 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 5: said Toemy, I'm not looking forward to writing a piece 750 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 5: on Al Harris' new Lions defensive coordinator, Like, I'm not 751 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 5: here for that. 752 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: Wade Phillips said something very interesting when he took over 753 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 2: his head coach. He said, you always always keep three 754 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: to four assistants from this from the staff you're in, 755 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: even though you think it's a situation where blow it 756 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 2: all up and start fresh. He's like, you always want 757 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 2: to have a couple, maybe three or four, because if 758 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: you don't, then you make the same mistakes on these 759 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 2: players that they made before. You need to have a 760 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: couple guys, Like, tell me about him, tell me that's 761 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: why Fossil makes sense. I mean, he's got two guys 762 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: in the Pro Bowl, two guys I think that are alternates. 763 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 2: I mean, he's had success, and Fossil is good at 764 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: with some of these guys. You know, he knows most 765 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 2: of these players, so that would be a good person 766 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: and not only hold over. But then you're like, tell 767 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: me about Damon Clark or whatever and whatever that answer 768 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: would be. He's fawn exactly. So you do need some holdovers, 769 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: and I think there would be. I think I think 770 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: Linda Wells is must must. 771 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 8: Yeah. 772 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 7: I look at Lounda Wells, I look at Al Harris 773 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 7: like you said, and bones Fossil. 774 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 3: You know. 775 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 7: Back to the Jason Witten point, The one thing that 776 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 7: I questioned with that is he's coaching his son at 777 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 7: Liberty Christians. So is that going to be something where 778 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 7: he's of the opinion of, hey, I want to see 779 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 7: my son through his high school career. Is a twenty 780 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 7: twenty seven prospect who's actually a four star by the way. 781 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 8: So he's been playing really well at linebackers for them. Yeah. 782 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 7: I guess, So is that is that a question for 783 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 7: if you if you look at Jason Witten, is it 784 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 7: Does he want to continue coaching? 785 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 8: Is sary Miles? 786 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? 787 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 3: I was about to say, he's not like it's a 788 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 3: cross country I understand. 789 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 7: I understand he's not across the country to say, but 790 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 7: being in the building with your son every day or 791 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 7: being building with the Dallas Cowboys every day. I'm not 792 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 7: saying that either one of those is a bad option, 793 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 7: but it's just something to consider. 794 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 3: One last thing to consider. We're already over our time, 795 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 3: but I do want to ask this question because I 796 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 3: think it's one of the most important elements of whoever 797 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 3: you hires your head coach, who is going to fit 798 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 3: in best with Dak Prescott playing and simple your franchise quarterback. 799 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 3: You've invested the bank, I mean, backed up the Brinks 800 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 3: truck in order to keep him here for an extended 801 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 3: amount of time. You are committed to Dak Presscott at 802 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 3: East for the foreseeable future, and he's coming off of 803 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: a major injury. Who is going to coach him to 804 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 3: another level? McCarthy, One thing you cannot fault him for 805 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 3: is how much he did impact Dak Prescott. 806 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 4: That was a positive. 807 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 3: He came in and elevated him to a whole new height, 808 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 3: to where he was second in MVP voting at the 809 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 3: end of the twenty twenty three season. He elevated Dak Prescott. 810 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 3: Who's going to be the guy the new candidate that 811 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 3: can fit that mold? 812 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 4: Best? 813 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 3: Is it Sean McVay, who's had tremendous success with multiple quarterbacks. 814 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 3: He had Jared Goff go into a Super Bowl. He 815 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 3: had Matthew Stafford winning a Super Bowl. And if you 816 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 3: talk about a guy who can't move out of the 817 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 3: pocket very well and has had his own injury concerns 818 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: in the past, Matthew Stafford would be high on that list. 819 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: Still won a Super Bowl with him even though he 820 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 3: had a lot of help around that too. Guy named 821 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 3: Aaron Donald on the defensive side was pretty good. 822 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 4: Too good, He was really good. 823 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 3: So all of that element, I get Sean McVay, but 824 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 3: are there other names that would elevate him? 825 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to keep throwing it back out 826 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 2: Harry at you think Kellen with but he has done it. 827 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 2: I mean, Dak had thirty seven touchdown passes the year 828 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: that he was the offensive coordinator, And so yeah, I mean, 829 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 2: did McCarthy did come in here and take it to 830 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 2: another level. But it's not like Kellen wasn't here that 831 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 2: took him to another level as well. So I'm not. 832 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 2: I'm not here grand standing for this. I mean I 833 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 2: just think it's a situation that makes sense for them, 834 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 2: and so I see that. 835 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 3: What would the fan reaction be? That's the first thing 836 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 3: I keep thinking. I mean, Kellyn coming back. 837 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what it's going to be. 838 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: Here? 839 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 5: I hope, Well, riot's in the streets, in the digital streets, 840 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 5: because you guys, you're not actually going in the streets. 841 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 5: But challenge them now, I. 842 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 2: Mean we did asking. I'm just gonna say this, right, 843 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 2: who would you rather have? Who would you rather have? 844 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: Graand Barton at center? Or Tyler Guyon and Cooper b 845 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 2: Be at center? 846 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 5: Oh that's that's quite a discussion. 847 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: Who would rather? I mean, like gram Barton looks pretty good. 848 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 2: He did mess up the game for him the other night. 849 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, but Cooper bb guyt this question, it's a 850 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 2: package deal, is. 851 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is. 852 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 2: That's all I'm gonna say. 853 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 4: So, Okay, but what are you alluding to there? 854 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 2: I'm saying that whoever is hired as coach, just remember 855 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 2: there's a package deal to all this. There's all the 856 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 2: decisions that they had to make here, uh, to to 857 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 2: keep things intact the way that they that they did. 858 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 2: So it may not have been the same if McCarthy 859 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: was here. That's all I'm saying, Hey, Okay, I see 860 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 2: what you're saying. 861 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 5: We can all fix these issues and answer these questions 862 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 5: if you just bring me Todd Munkin. Okay, I just 863 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 5: bring Tod. Let's just let's just do that. Who's that, 864 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 5: Let's just do that. You know, I don't know who 865 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 5: that is? Real offense coordinated for the Ravens. 866 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, he's only saying that because he's No I'm 867 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 7: not okay, because he's a two time national champion. 868 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 5: I'm also saying it because if you look at how 869 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 5: the offense is being run. 870 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 2: Now. 871 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 5: Granted, Lamar is. 872 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 2: Because you said that. You just said that killing with 873 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 2: the Philly anybody can just handle them all the market. 874 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 4: On the Baltimore offense, that's fair. 875 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 5: But the play calling is in Baltimore is far from 876 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 5: simply as simplistic as it is a correct It's you know, 877 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 5: not as simple as just handing it off to Derek. 878 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 5: They don't do to Derek as the Philadelphia Eagles and 879 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 5: Killmore do too. Sick one. 880 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 8: Absolutely. 881 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 2: You know what I love about what the Rams have 882 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 2: done too, is that they we said Karen Williams fifth 883 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 2: round pick. I mean, was Cooper Cup a third or fourth? 884 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 5: I think he was the third? 885 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 4: Maybe Cup, Yeah, it was fourth or a fifth. 886 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 2: And Coopa and Pooka Nikoua is a fifth, right, So 887 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: I mean he's got Pro Bowl players and some of 888 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 2: them all pro players because he knows his system. You 889 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 2: knows exactly the kind of guys that will fit his system, 890 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 2: and that that's so valuable when you're talking about couple 891 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 2: couples the third, and Nicola was fifth, Karen Williams is fifth. 892 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 2: And you just mentioned two quarterbacks that people basically, you know, 893 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 2: the Lions gave up on them, you know that, or 894 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 2: I mean that the Rams gave up on the on golf. 895 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 2: But I mean he went to the Super Bowl speaking lion. 896 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 5: We've said all these names, and we've said Aaron Glen, 897 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 5: but we haven't said Ben Johnson. 898 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 4: We did say Ben, Yeah, Ben was up there early. 899 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was part of the top of the list. 900 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 5: The problem is, and we've talked about this on the 901 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 5: podcast before, the asking price, Yeah, I think Ben would 902 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 5: take Ben Johnson is going to price himself for Yeah, 903 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 5: I think Ben would take five million. But then what 904 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 5: happens after October. That's only that's only the year. This 905 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 5: is the whole year. I think it would be way 906 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 5: too minute. 907 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 3: One name that was already tossed around among NFL circles 908 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 3: was Bill Belichick. And I know he took the North 909 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 3: Carolina job, and he looks happy in Chapel Hill and 910 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 3: that's where he wanted to be, and. 911 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 4: All that good stuff was a Josh McDaniels. See, he's 912 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 4: done it before. He was hired one day. 913 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 3: With the New York Jets and then took the Patriots 914 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 3: job after that press conference. 915 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 4: He's done it before. And his buyout goes from his buyout. 916 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 3: Goes from ten million to one million after June first, 917 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 3: which you might have to wait until June first, which 918 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 3: is also not an ideal scenario. But yeah, I want 919 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 3: to be without head Cot, so it would be ten million. 920 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 3: But it's not like it's an unforgotten solution. 921 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 4: He's there too. 922 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 5: You can't convince me that that Jerry is going to 923 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 5: pay a million. 924 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 8: And then give him on the top which is going to. 925 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 5: Be the top shelf money. I think I'm there too 926 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 5: now when especially not when you have other options to 927 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 5: talk about. 928 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 4: Sure, people that are going to throw that name out 929 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 4: fair and. 930 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,919 Speaker 5: I'm out on that. But when you talk about Sean 931 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 5: McVay and giving up a premium asset for that, that's viable. 932 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 5: That's a conversation. But then the opposite side of that 933 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 5: conversation is when you have keeping to the experienced guys 934 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 5: who have jewelry, Pete Carroll. You can get Pete Carroll 935 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 5: without giving up in that set like that, or you 936 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 5: can go buy out Bill Belichick and pay him as 937 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 5: asking price, or you can get Pete Carroll for So 938 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 5: that's what I mean. That's going to be the thought 939 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 5: process with his front office. 940 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 3: All right, do we want to do a prediction or no, 941 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 3: we won't save that for our own. 942 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 4: It's conversation down the line. 943 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 5: You want to wait till the body gets cold, Yeah, 944 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 5: let's do the I agree, Yeah all right, But that's 945 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 5: that's the whole breaking news side of it. 946 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy out as head coach of Dallas. Dallas now 947 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 3: looking to a new head coach, whether that be a 948 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 3: young offensive coordinator unproven in the league, or somebody with jewelry. 949 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 4: Is Patrick just outline so you can hear more on 950 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,959 Speaker 4: that throughout the week. Nick, when is your show. 951 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 2: We'll have storyline tomorrow. We'll have a one show tomorrow 952 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 2: afternoon and then also Wednesday morning. 953 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 5: Okay, so we's got one. 954 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 2: More weekly show that we're doing for TV. But then 955 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 2: we'll Wednesday. 956 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 4: Morning Wednesdays show. It's Wednesday at nine thirty. 957 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 2: Right, Wenday nine thirty is the raver time and it'll 958 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 2: show tomorrow at ten am. 959 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 4: There is Talking Cowboys pretty good. We will have that. 960 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 3: No Tommy Yarrish on tomorrow, sorry, buddy, but you can 961 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 3: catch him on the Draft Show at eleven. 962 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 4: Am, so don't worry. He'll be He'll be right. 963 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 3: Back with ten and eleven am tomorrow. So all three 964 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 3: podcasts for us will be on the air tomorrow. 965 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 4: All right. 966 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 3: That does it for Patrick Walker, for Nick Heatman, for 967 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 3: Tommy Yarrish, Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yob 968 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 3: been saying so long a breaking news podcast. I almost 969 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 3: did it today on Draft Show Breaking News Podcast. Mike 970 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 3: McCarthy out as the head coach in Dallas. 971 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 972 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.